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Gold Retraces Half Of Record Plunge

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With its biggest 8-day rally in 20 months, Gold having jumped another 1% this evening has just breached $1445 and retraced half of the record plunge from April 12th. It would appear that the record physical demand that we are seeing in every corner of the globe is indeed leaking back into the actual price of gold.

Spot Gold has retraced half of its record plunge losses...

with the best 8-day performance since early September 2011...

 

Charts: Bloomberg

 


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Wed, 04/24/2013 - 23:19 | Link to Comment freewolf7
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Great beginnings...

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 23:21 | Link to Comment Ahmeexnal
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Seems like Jamie Dimon just had his leg sawn off!

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 23:22 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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Just when I want to go out and buy some more.  We'll see if there is any at my LCS tomorrow.

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 23:34 | Link to Comment true brain
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Question: how much fiat currency has been converted into gold since the crash?

serious. anyone with answer.

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 23:45 | Link to Comment bonin006
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I don't see how there can be any conversion - just gold and FRNs or whatever changing hands.

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 23:49 | Link to Comment flacon
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How much has silver regained from the smackdown? ... um-hmm... I thought so.... nothing...

http://scharts.co/15O1zp5

 

 

 

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 23:50 | Link to Comment Ahmeexnal
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Explosions in Al-Abama.  Is this how the banksters cover their PM smackdowns?

 

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/24/fuel-barges-explode-catch-fir...

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 23:56 | Link to Comment Mark Carney
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Im proud to say I bought that DIP!

 

Although, I did have to pay the physcial price, not paper.

 

Oh and I have been dealing with SilverGold Bull out of Calgary, fantastic! I got my order in 1 week, not bad ocnsidering......but they are swamped!

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 00:11 | Link to Comment knukles
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Can you spell whiplash?
I knew you could.

And we have COMEX settlement coming up?
Somebody's getting their nads squeezed what with all the new shorts created last week

LoL

Treacherous shit
Nobody but a gubamint idjiot coulda thought this shit would work.
Trhe Law of Unintended Consequences is a Bitch

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 05:25 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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Well, when all ya got is a tonne(s) of paper gold...

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 06:19 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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I took my ball....walked off the field....and took the week off.

 

Good luck getting any gold out of the COMEX....you'd be better off begging at Fort Knox.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 06:19 | Link to Comment Bearwagon
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Well done!

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 07:54 | Link to Comment Badabing
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Gold Retraces Half Of Record Plunge

but not silver?

why?

could silver be the problem PM for the COMEX thats in short Phys. supply?

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 08:52 | Link to Comment TeamDepends
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And the game was played with a paper ball to no ones satisfaction.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 00:02 | Link to Comment greggh99
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Actually, about a buck.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 07:10 | Link to Comment lickspitler
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Bitcoins retrace 70% of their move down.

 

one eye pm stackin fucktards'-

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 10:44 | Link to Comment ClumsyBoatman
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keep your shitcoins nerd, I'M ALL IN

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 00:39 | Link to Comment AllThatGlitters
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flacon - Silver is at $23.40 tonight. The low in the smackdown was $22.05.  

That's about a 25% retracement.

Last I checked, 25% is different than nothing.

Watch it moving higher tonight live: http://www.pmbull.com/silver-price/

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 00:46 | Link to Comment Jack Napier
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Premiums have eaten into any spot price drops since the high 24's anyway, but still a good buy anywhere in the ballpark. Gold gets all the glory, but the entire silver bullion market cap is only $30 billion which is absurd. The GSR should be less than 10:1 if it was adhering to mining output, and more like 1:5 if it adhered to available supply. I'm glad silver is the metal staying down so I can buy more of it.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 00:45 | Link to Comment James_Cole
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flacon - Silver is at $23.40 tonight. The low in the smackdown was $22.05.  

That's about a 25% retracement.

Last I checked, 25% is different than nothing.

Yeah but that's exactly the wrong way to look at it, better to look at it having 75% left to go before being where it was a week ago. 

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 00:47 | Link to Comment Jack Napier
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The vault is half empty type eh? =P

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 00:51 | Link to Comment AllThatGlitters
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Sure James_Cole - just correcting a factually incorrect statement was all.  :-)

 

It probably have 100% left to go to get to where it should be.

 

I still think the situation in Silver is different than it is with Gold.  Something bigger is brewing with Gold right now. We aren't seeing the inventory drainage is silver are we?  Just gold?  Silver has a different and compelling fundamental story to be sure, but right now, all the head-scratcher activity is taking place in gold.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 01:00 | Link to Comment Jack Napier
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It's a tale of 2 different dynamics. Gold is being drained on the exchanges (metal of kings). Silver is being drained from the dealers (peoples' money). That's why silver premiums are higher.

Prior to the takedown the COMEX already had the largest ever quarterly outflows of physical gold to start the year off. My guess is that the writing is on the wall, and it's a smash and grab. Hedgies are now focusing on gold according to Andrew Maguire's recent KWN interview. Silver is too small for institutional money anyway, but it will move where gold leads, and then some.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 01:05 | Link to Comment James_Cole
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I still think the situation in Silver is different than it is with Gold. 

Silver is simply the more volatile investment, also more heavily reliant on industrial demand. 

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 02:52 | Link to Comment akak
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Volatility is not synonymous with risk, nor is there any correlation between volatility and value.

Besides, the volatily in the silver market, as in the gold market, is much more a function of the spasms in our failing fiat currency regime, and the corrupt financial system in symbiosis with it, than it is a reflection of anything fundamental to the metal or its (physical) market themselves.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 01:00 | Link to Comment James_Cole
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People almost almost always look at probabilities / statistics in the direction of their desire, rather than the weighting. 

And besides, in terms of buying - physical buyers haven't benefited from these lower prices that much...

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 01:00 | Link to Comment putaipan
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virtual reality check- bitcoin @ 156.5$.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 07:57 | Link to Comment Pegasus Muse
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Netdania Spot Price: $23.29/oz.

APMEX Monster Box: $16,170 / 500 oz = $32.34/oz.

Premium over Spot: $9.05

http://www.apmex.com/Category/1206/Silver_American_Eagles_Sealed_Monster_Boxes.aspx 

This price divergence indicates the CRIMEX spot price is (has become) a meaningless number in the REAL MARKETPLACE.  

So you fraudsters and scamsters and market riggers at the COMEX/CME/CFTC go ahead and play your shyster games amongst yourselves on your corrupt paper exchange. 

REAL PEOPLE who want REAL SILVER are paying REAL MARKET PRICES to get it.  Thanks to your CRIMEX market manipulation and other market interventions (the long bullion, short miners trade; the lack of CAPEX financing, etc) the supply of REAL SILVER isn't what it would otherwise be. 

Way to go, assholes. You shat bed; now you get to sleep in it.

 

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 07:52 | Link to Comment donpaulo
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silver up 1.69%

gold up 1.44%

as I type this

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 23:46 | Link to Comment flacon
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The same amount as the amount of gold that has been converted into fiat. 

/I know, I am a smart ass tonight. 

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 23:48 | Link to Comment Croesus
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@ True Brain:

A shit-ton!

It's really impossible to answer that question, unless you called and asked every dealer large and small, all over the world, plus the mints, plus the exchanges. You also have to assume that all of them are being honest.

 

 

 

 

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 00:07 | Link to Comment true brain
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This amount of fiat, converted into physical gold, will not be spent any time soon; this same amount is assumed to be taken out of banks account etc. Question: what is the ripple effect on economy? if it can even be measure? what is effect on banks if this amount is large enough?

 

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 00:10 | Link to Comment seek
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COMEX by itself has seen about $1B in gold walk out the door (from 4/16 to last night, 670,000 troy ounces has left the building.)

We don't know how much LBMA has seen go away, but GLD has seen redemptions of $2.27 billion as of last week -- it's claimed by media that's people selling and running away from gold, but it's more likely it's actually gold redemption given what's going on. So that's $3.3 billion.

Add the mystery LBMA plus most retail inventory worldwide, I'm sure it's past $5 billion.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 04:47 | Link to Comment Go Tribe
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The only way this works out for them is if we get inflation. Which is interesting, inflation arriving when everyone is talking about deflation.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 01:49 | Link to Comment mt paul
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i'm in 

for a few large..

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 09:22 | Link to Comment eclectic syncretist
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"Question: how much fiat currency has been converted into gold since the crash?

serious. anyone with answer."

Again, I refer you to the COMEX, where over 1,000,000 ounces of gold have been called for delivery so far this month.  As of today there are 2,210,735 ounces registered.  So the answer is "a very high percentage of the gold that is available"

http://www.cmegroup.com/delivery_reports/MetalsIssuesAndStopsReport.pdf

http://www.cmegroup.com/trading/energy/nymex-delivery-notices.html

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 00:44 | Link to Comment AllThatGlitters
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DoChen - I was planning to do so too.  The move higher tonight is my fault. I merely thought about picking some up, and if my LCS doesn't have anything, the online dealers I've referenced as having plenty of inventory have suddenly started showing delays in many different items.  Doh!

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 02:07 | Link to Comment RaceToTheBottom
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"Seems like Jamie Dimon just had his leg sawn off"

 

I hope it was his third leg, the dickless wonder

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 02:16 | Link to Comment Big Slick
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That's why he's STILL richer than you

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 07:21 | Link to Comment greatbeard
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>> he's STILL richer

Some folks keep score with money, some don't.  Jamie is far richer than I and I'd not change souls with him.

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 23:38 | Link to Comment xtop23
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I'd have prefered it went to zero. Total disconnect. I just have this feeling they're letting it rise now to play it the other way and try to shake confidence with another smash down. Not that it will work but..... we'll see what happens.

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 23:54 | Link to Comment scrappy
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I think you are onto something.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 00:09 | Link to Comment Croesus
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@ xtop23: 

You know another smackdown is coming. I keep reiterating the point that in this recent buying frenzy, how much Gold is going to strong-handed buyers?

Some of these people who are buying have the right idea, but:

Do they understand the dynamics of the market? Swaps, leases, hedging, paper vs. physical, etc.?

Some of these buyers will be hitting the sell button the minute they see the paper price drop, because they don't understand what is really happening here.

I can tell you that I have dry powder on standby, just for this event. I think it will be "The Last Smackdown", and therefore:

1. "They" will be hitting the 'price' hard (think $500-$600 drop).

2. Many of the dealers (especially LCS) will be skittish about buying.

3. Weaker longs will be desperate to unload.

 

 

 

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 00:16 | Link to Comment xtop23
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I think if we see a $500-600 drop in Au it's game over. Gold drops sub 1k, I'd sell my 69 Z28 for extra powder.There won't be anything left but dust bunnies.

Edit: I'd keep the crossram though.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 07:08 | Link to Comment de3de8
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I know you must be kidding, but just in case, I'll buy yor'e Z, it will go to a good home and have plenty of playmates.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 11:08 | Link to Comment xtop23
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DZ302....houndstooth int...Muncie 4SP....hugger orange....3.73 posi..... unrestored.

Bought in '81 for the princely sum of 14 grand with a loan from my father. It's the only classic I kept.

That was the one time I just had to have a car.

Unfortunately, I was too GD stupid to buy the '66 Hemi Satellite or '70 Plymouth Superbird I could have at 25k for either.

I've been through a '69 GTO, a '71 340 Demon, a '67 GT Mustang, '71 440 Challenger, and a '70 RT Charger to name a few.

I was always big into Mopars, but something about those shark gills did it for me.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 20:35 | Link to Comment de3de8
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X23,
Does not get much better than that,other than rs and jl8, but original...sweet. I don't have my very first cars but do have 64, 70,75,78, original owner corvettes, all original unmolested. Have 65 Mustang, 66 Starfire, 70 nova, 86 944turbo ( original owner 3k mi) 04 srt10 pu( orig own 800 mi ) 99 7.3 f-250 ( orig owner 21 k mi), 10 6.2 Raptor,11 500gt and 10 Camaro. Three others for every day. Can't coun't the stuff iv'e been through and wish I still had. I was never into Mopars in the day, but love them now. Too young and too stupid at time to realize all muscle cars cool. Cars, shows and working on them keeps me goin!
Good to make acquaintance.

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 04:27 | Link to Comment xtop23
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Ditto. I like the GT500, but that much power with a solid rear axle is sphincter clenching to drive quickly. I can't imagine driving the new one at Thunderhill. I'd need an Ativan drip to keep my underwear dry.

I'm eyeing the C7 with great anticipation. If the Z06 version is anything like I think it could be, my wallet is going to take a beating.

Great avatar btw. 

I like the new ILE as well but it's just too big for my taste. I like cars that transition much faster with quicker turn in. You have to spend too much time setting your entry with that big a missile. 

I tested a 430 Scuderia that was almost automotive bliss..... but how do you convince the pregnant wife that 200k is money well spent? 

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 08:54 | Link to Comment de3de8
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Could not agree more with all your thoughts. I had the 10 500 and as soon as I saw the SVT reveal on the 11 with German sourced aluminum block, had to have it. Have installed the whipple 2.9 package from ford racing to supposedly provide 750 horse. Never had it on dyno, and with Corsas not too bad. Ton of fun though as you can literally drive by throttle!
I too eagerly await the c7, especially the performance variants, and as you the Z06. Also intrigued by the new Z28 will be a beast but hardly bragging rights that 300 lbs lighter than ZL 1 but still several hundred more than mustang. Almost pulled the trigger on the boss Ls but did not. My biggest regret is not buying a brand new Ford GT, an 06 in 06. Had check cut and at last minute dealer wanted 2k more. I said no on a deal where I had the price struck for list price on the road all in taxes, title, tags. Now used gt's going for 175k and up. Oh we'll live and learn! Greed will get you every time.
Ferrari's. what can I say, if had money to burn, no question. Just too much $$$ for me, considering alternatives. I have driven a few, ones owned by good friend. A 512. When people asked how it drove could only say " you have to experience it yourself to understand". The best I could come up with is like driving a Rolex!
Off to first Carlisle show tomorrow.
As usual, a pleasure with the back and forth.

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 09:38 | Link to Comment xtop23
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Nice, sounds like a good time. 

That Ferrari totally stunned me. I had never before, or since, driven a car that shifted that quickly. Next level kind of stuff. Very, very impressive. Late brake the corner, get your line, pass the apex, slowly feed in the gas, then mash the throttle and slide to the candy stripe. Indescribible.

My only complaint with it was being a little down on power. I haven't tried it but I'm sure the 458 addressed it.

10k services turns me off though.

Ouch on the GT40. I haven't driven one, but I did see an orange one that had been kitted out at Laguna. Uncorked and boosted, it sounded like nothing I have heard before. 

I saw a few pics of the new Z28 and yeah, I liked the idea of it. I wasn't fond of the different tail light treatment. The 19's look good and there's something to be said for stripped down no frills "go rides" though.

I'm really curious what the new automatic is like with the C7 as well. Being 6'6" and 245lbs. I have to modify the seating situation on just about any car I take autocrossing if it's a manual. Deep dish steering wheel, floor mounted seats with minimal padding or low rise custom brackets, and occasionally cutting out the lower portion of the dash. If I don't, heel-toeing is basically impossible. A well sorted, throttle blipper, automatic 'vette could really do the trick.

BB512? Classic. The only one I've ever seen was Sammy Hagar's. In Tahoe one night, his son Aaron drove it to Cabo Wabo and let my buddy Rob and I futz around with it. 

Gotta love cars. There's worse things to be addicted to :)

 

 

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 12:33 | Link to Comment de3de8
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Big10-4. Kind of spooky, I'm 6-8 and 270, (should be 250)! People ask me how I fit in my cars and I just tell them I make it work. Mostly why pick-up is daily transport. When I can, do summit point and vir, only tracks close. Mostly w/Porsche club. I never beat my stuff, just explore the limits. Kinda wish I had a track car that could beat the tar out of though. On the Z, agree that tail lights are a wait and see in person call. I like the look of the twins on current car, likely where they got the c-7's inspiration. I hope it's priced reasonable when hits the street.

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 12:36 | Link to Comment de3de8
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Dp

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 07:22 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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The higher the paper price of gold, the more paper it costs them to de-lever the system in order to get at the physical (which may or may not lie) at bottom of the inverted pyramid (without crashing the whole thing in the process) - it is in their interest to crash the price if they want their original physical investment back.

 

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 08:07 | Link to Comment rabbitusvomitus
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Perhaps, but IMHO it's not as easy to shake out the "weak hands" when they're actually holding the gold (and silver) and not paper. 

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 18:13 | Link to Comment Long_Xau
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You are being your worst enemy here.

I just have this feeling they're letting it rise now to play it the other way and try to shake confidence with another smash down.

Your confidence looks shaken right about now then, doesn't it?

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 01:04 | Link to Comment Silver Bug
Wed, 04/24/2013 - 23:22 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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Jon Stewart just did a massive hit peice on gold. He went all out. 

I am never going to hear the end of it here in libdoucheville tomorrow.

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 23:26 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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Very funny, LOL!

Good luck tomorrow in libdoucheville!

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 23:51 | Link to Comment flacon
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Who is Jon Stewart? Is he from Kitco?

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 00:07 | Link to Comment Midas
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Hopefully they will translate Jon Stewart Liebovitz's opinions into other languages, because there are 3+billion asians who disagree with him.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 00:49 | Link to Comment Jack Napier
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Nope, just English, and of course Mr. Stewart's and Mr. Rothschild's native tongue, Yiddish.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 01:05 | Link to Comment i-dog
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One wonders if both he and his brother (head of NASDAQ) are descendants of Jacob Liebovitz "Frank" ('Frank' was only a nickname given to him in Turkey, due to him not being Semitic) ... the Khazarian-AshkeNAZI founder of the Frankists, and self-proclaimed successor of Sabbatai Zevi. It wouldn't surprise me in the least.

If they are related, then they are very close to the Rothschilds.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 00:07 | Link to Comment A. Magnus
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No, but his brother DOES run the NASDAQ...not that there's a connection, of course!    /sarc

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 03:25 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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Betcha 'they' did not expect the massive shift from paper to bullion.  The uptick should help improve supply lines.

Either way, if Stewart is doing his "shtick" on it, it may mean that TPTB are not happy with gold bullion sales.  While we keep stacking, we Can ticle for Leibowitz.  ;-)

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 23:29 | Link to Comment FEDbuster
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Why would one live and work in "libdoucheville"?  Anyway here is a joke for you:

Guy goes into a bar in Louisiana where there's a robot bartender!
The robot says, "What will you have?"
The guy says, "Whiskey." The robot brings back his drink and says to the man, "What's your IQ?" The guy says, "168." The robot then proceeds to talk about physics, space exploration, and medical technology.
The guy leaves, . . . but he is curious . . .
So he goes back into the bar. The robot bartender says, "What will you have?" The guy says, "Whiskey." Again, the robot brings the man his drink and says, "What's your IQ?" The guy says, "100." The robot then starts to talk about Nascar, Budweiser, the Saints, and LSU Tigers. The guy leaves, but finds it very interesting, so he thinks he will try it one more time. He goes back into the bar. The robot says, "What will you have?" The guy says, "Whiskey," and the robot brings him his whiskey. The robot then says, "What's your IQ?" The guy says, "Uh, about 50."

The robot leans in real close and says, "SO, . . . you people . . .still happy . . . with Obama?"

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 23:35 | Link to Comment caimen garou
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excellent!

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 23:54 | Link to Comment Tsunami Wave
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Hillarious.. I'll use this to annoy my liberal obama-worshipping morons I still manage to call my friends.  Sigh...I can't wait to move out of the northeast.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 00:21 | Link to Comment Ahmeexnal
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with "friends" like those, who needs enemies?

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 01:03 | Link to Comment Tsunami Wave
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At this point.. with people like those, who needs people.

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 23:25 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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The day of the plunge , the way the media was talking about the demise of gold, I expected to see 10% of my gold missing, but nope it was still there.

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 23:27 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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Isn't stewarts bro the head of some big exchange? He got his phone call today and his marching orders.

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 23:41 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Yeah the NYSE a much smaller exchange than it once was. It's more like a trophy property now.

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 23:41 | Link to Comment The Second Rule
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Media headlines are the best contraindicator that there is.

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 23:25 | Link to Comment JimRogers
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So did bitcoin.

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 23:29 | Link to Comment JustObserving
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Silver needs to rise at least $1.5 to match the rise in gold from its lows.  Silver is lagging gold badly now.

Gold silver ratio now is 61.88.

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 23:31 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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if silver starts rising do theystart relaxing the premiums or am i paying $35 for a $25 ASE?

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 23:37 | Link to Comment FEDbuster
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Around here the "in stock" street price is about $30/ASE and $27/round.  Many dealers have sold out or pulled their stock.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 00:35 | Link to Comment Likstane
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I'll pay whatever premium the dealer wants, and I'll like it, 'cause I got's to have those shiny, hard, metal discs in my hot little greasy palm, fondling them, clicking them together, listening to their metallic peal reverberate in my ever listening ears, sliding them into my pants, feeling the weight of them pressing against my burning thighs, ever cognizant of the friction created as I rub them into my warm flesh. 

ps-Fuck you Bernanke!

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 05:35 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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So are you the screenwriter of "Debbie Does Dallas?"

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 23:28 | Link to Comment CURWAR2012
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STACKING!!!! I can claim to have contributed 1 cent to the recent rise

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 18:34 | Link to Comment Long_Xau
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Whatever amount you bought, chances are you are probably underestimating your total influence on the market at a time like this.

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 23:30 | Link to Comment e m m
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Every other junk (indices, FX) retraced too following each other (expect the CHF got dumped maybe?). But is this machine driven or not? And what got the momentum started? (If you ignore bad data and the mini flash crash for a second.)

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 23:31 | Link to Comment monopoly
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Patience, Silver will catch up and surprise us all. Everywhere I read they are knocking gold. Bull is over. 800 gold, economy going to grow. All is well. Amazing how they can fool most of the people most of the time.

We are so screwed. 

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 23:35 | Link to Comment TheSilverJournal
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The mainstream yells sell when it's time to buy. Buy high and sell low, right?...except this is gold and the mainstream never really said to buy gold as the debts don't matter it's all about the velocity of money do nothing rock of a barbarous metal that with no intrinsic value that you can't eat and lis ike a religion because you either believe in it or you don't climbed 600% in a decade, they just yelled sell and after it drops hard they yell sell but only louder.

Please wake those up that listen to these people. Debts do matter and the debts are unpayable. It's a world fiat ponzi being held together by low rates. The only move of the central planners if they want to keep rates low and retain the use of their dear printing press is to print faster to keep rates low.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 00:15 | Link to Comment BigDuke6
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Goldbugs of the world unite!

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 01:04 | Link to Comment TheSilverJournal
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Or just tell those you care about what's up if you want to see them not die when the bond bubble bursts. No biggie.

The other option for those that realize what's going on is to be too much of a pussy to say anything that's unpopular and keep silent,

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 23:39 | Link to Comment bonin006
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I would describe it as the real physical price leaking back into the paper price

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 03:29 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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If so, I'm thinking they are worried about a bullion run going global.  In which case they're better off easing off on the Suppression gas pedal, by letting the price rise.  It's still a Ponzi high-wire act.

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 23:38 | Link to Comment The Second Rule
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TPTB have to be sweating when it's obvious people can see through their orchestrated bullshit.

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 23:40 | Link to Comment Hulk
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They will have to let the paper price rise to slow the physical drawdown. Very Interesting.

But after Amro and Cyprus, me thinks the 100th monkey has finally learned to wash his coconut...

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 23:44 | Link to Comment caimen garou
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fat finger monkeys must be sleeping, if we are lucky they will go into a coma

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 23:50 | Link to Comment EconMania
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Do paper gold holders try to withdraw physical gold any time ? If yes, I would suspect a huge spike in the offing when the physical can't be delivered.

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 23:51 | Link to Comment EconMania
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Do paper gold holders try to withdraw physical gold any time ? If yes, I would suspect a huge spike in the offing when the physical can't be delivered.

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 23:52 | Link to Comment EconMania
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Do paper gold holders try to withdraw physical gold any time ? If yes, I would suspect a huge spike in the offing when the physical can't be delivered.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 00:02 | Link to Comment alentia
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Major shortage in physical is with silver. Once all the order reach miners and those not bound by contracts @$23 will start to raise prices decoupling physical markets from paper. Paper will play catch up game to physical now... if it can.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 00:05 | Link to Comment PathForward
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Here’s what I think is going on…

If you were TPTB, and you had a massive naked short position in futures contracts for precious metals, and you realized that the world was beginning to wake up to your scam and that it was time for you to end the game, wouldn’t it be a little too obvious if you simply slammed paper prices downward (by selling a large number of additional naked short contracts in a short period of time) and then almost immediately thereafter the COMEX declared they were out of physical inventory, and that any investors standing for delivery would be forced to settle in cash due to a change in rules?

That would be pretty darn obvious to the public that someone was playing *very* unfairly and those folks needed to be held responsible. 

Okay, with that in mind, if you were TPTB, wouldn’t it make sense to time things so that you could create a “shoehorn” so to speak, to realize your strategy? How about this… Plan the price knock down of the precious metals in the paper markets to be significant enough that you’d for *sure* WAKE UP the retail investors to the point where they’d see ridiculous bargains available and they’d completely consume the PM retail inventory, thereby introducing the concept of “shortages” to the public. Wouldn’t that be a perfect shoehorn to protect you from lots of criticism when the COMEX declares default due to lack of inventory shortly thereafter? My hunch is that the gig is almost up, and soon enough precious metals will be even more difficult to obtain than common ammo calibers.

After the COMEX default occurs, what I expect to see, is local coin dealers publishing on their websites the “local” bid and asked prices for gold and silver, and the spreads will likely become fairly dramatic. In addition, I expect websites like comparesilverprices.com to become the new virtual exchanges where people shop for big-picture pricing. In other words, the large PM distributors like APMEX and Blanchard will have their prices displayed on those summary websites thereby serving as centralized pricing references, and the COMEX and the LBMA will no longer be trusted for setting the prices for gold and silver. Prices will once again be set by net summing the *many* forces exerted by individual investors.

So, the following big question now comes to mind: should we expect another significant stair step downward (i.e., another smash down) as TPTB continue executing their strategy? Here’s my best guess… If I were the CEO(s) of the large bank(s) that dumped a *huge* quantity of naked short contracts on the market on Friday and Monday (4/12/13 and 4/15/13), I’d be thinking that it would be likely that an investigation would eventually ensue after the COMEX goes into delivery default, and I’d better have a pretty good story worked up ahead of time that I was prepared to sell to investigators. And since I’d know that my story was going to be difficult to come up with, I’d be thinking that a fundamental property of my story had better be that some time had lapsed between my giant smash down in PM prices, and the eventual delivery default declared by the COMEX. What I’m trying to say, is that to avoid trouble, I don’t think I’m going to execute another large smash down in PM prices right before the COMEX runs out of physical inventory. I think I’d better have my initial price smash down be *more* than what was really required at the time of the COMEX default so that I could allow PM prices to establish a rising price trend as we head into the default, and the final price that the contracts were traded at just before default would be sufficiently low to allow me to settle my short positions thereby netting me billions in overall profit.

Another reason why I wouldn’t execute another significant smash down after the first ridiculously large one, is because within a very short time from the initial smash down, I would expect there to be a substantial number of stories appearing in the news, explaining that the level of demand for physical metal was sharply higher, and for me to execute another large smash down after those stories appeared, would make my story all the more difficult to sell to investigators.

Okay, I know I’m going out on a limb here, but in summary, I’m thinking that TPTB don’t need to execute additional large smash downs in order to achieve their goals.

I believe that junk silver (pre-1965 silver dimes and quarters) followed by 1-ounce silver eagles are the very best silver investments for U.S. citizens, and the reason I say those forms of silver are the best, is because multiple states (including my state, Arizona) are currently considering legislation to allow gold and silver to serve as alternative currencies, without capital gains taxes being applied to the increased values of gold and silver, provided said gold and silver are minted by the U.S. Government.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 00:15 | Link to Comment A. Magnus
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Sounds like a reasonable argument; the only flaw is that it assumes the principal actors (TPTB) are themselves reasonable. I think either way actions over the next couple of weeks should bear this out one way or another. Our time to shine as stackers theoretically should come AFTER a COMEX default...

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 00:48 | Link to Comment Bear
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Another premise or assumption that may not be sound is that there would be any kind of investigation surrounding gold / silver for any reason. There are way too many apologists and way too few independent 'regulators'. The only logical agency is the CFTC and they are certainly in the pocket of TPTB or report to those in the pocket of TPTB. The only way this could play out is if a credible whistleblower appeared and could stay alive long enough to expose the truth ... Where is the Pelican Brief?

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 07:42 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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Lunch hour constraints... but "COMEX" & "Naked Short" don't belong in the same sentence with TPTB.

Professionals know how to cover at a profit.

Comex can change contract settlement terms at its whenever it wants (the long term risks of doing so are a different issue and changes settlement terms isn't why its the Crimex)

ergo - look elsewhere

One option-

GLD has a big "list" of actual gold bars, Asshat Bullion Storage (among countless others) has a "list" of gold bars - if the powers behind those bars want the bars with those serial numbers back because they want to stop playing this iteration of fleece the sheeple, they have to vaporize competing claims on those bars, tanking Crimex (and covering) is a profitable way to do so because it creates sellers of GLD and unallocated paper gold elsewhere which are competing claims on actual bars.

 

 

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 07:45 | Link to Comment Ghordius
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+1 excellent comment, particularly on the uselessness of talking about TPTB when zooming in in certain scams

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 00:08 | Link to Comment GrinandBearit
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Short covering maybe?

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 00:18 | Link to Comment fuu
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Gold Bitchez.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 00:19 | Link to Comment A. Magnus
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Fuck - Something just occured to me: if you look at the ramp since the blueblood fucktard take down, it pretty much MATCHES what the ramps looked like when the last 2 consolidations in gold were over. They purposely donkey-punched the bottom because all the otherwise natural market sentiment was EXACTLY where it needed to be for the next parabolic rally.

These shitbags can only delay the inevitable though...GOLD, BITCHEZ!!!

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 00:42 | Link to Comment WhoMe
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A bounce was expected. What better way to destroy the confidence of holders of gold than to smack the price down, than allow a gradual bounce and when everyone begins to pile back into gold, smack it down to levels not seen in years. That would pretty much erode the confidence in the metal. I wouldn't be the least surprised if this happened.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 04:48 | Link to Comment zipit
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Yes.  Typical bear markets end with whimpers vs. retail rushing in to buy at the exact right time, which the past week would be if this the end of the bear market (or correction in longer-term bull market).

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 05:03 | Link to Comment Acet
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You're missing the funny bit.

Tthe price that was smacked-down was not the price of Gold. What was slammed was the price of Gold-IOUs.

The funny bit is that people didn't piled-up on those "cheap" Gold-IOUs, instead they bought physical Gold, with the even more "funny" effect that physical price moved away from IOU price.

This adds a whole new dynamic: the very high likellyhood that a second smackdown will make people once and for all stop paying attention to the IOU price.

I know I am paying far more attention to the BUY-SELL spread of the coin dealers I trade with than (which by the way would pay me above spot to BUY coins from me) than I do to the COMEX spot price.

 

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 00:57 | Link to Comment Bear
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50% retracement is most logical point for rally peak (or fib 62%) and since initial slam down coincided with breaking support point, I suspect that tomorrow am slam may be quite substantial. Maybe one last try, after all these people follow charts and technical rules. We saw that when every head-and shoulder (in equities) was followed by a huge rally.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 01:03 | Link to Comment AllThatGlitters
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Reasonable thought, and silver is only a few percentage points away from a 28% Fib level for a reversal.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 01:28 | Link to Comment Manipuflation
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A very choppy market indeed.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 01:40 | Link to Comment caimen garou
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monkeys are starting, they have awaken and are beating the war drums , paper pushing ass wipes!

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 01:44 | Link to Comment greggh99
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They'll probably take it lower. Whatever number they decide to take it down to, that will be the price Cyprus will get for her 14 tons, some of which will go straight into depleted Comex vaults.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 01:48 | Link to Comment Northern Lights
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Currently golds at $1443 US as at 1:44am EST.

As soon as the US markets open, it's gonna drop $30.

US market closes, trades go on during the night following the open Asian markets in places like Singapore, price goes up, and just as they go home from work in Singapore and the North American markets open up...BOOM the price drops.

 

 

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 02:04 | Link to Comment Bear
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The 'New Normal' Slam Down

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 02:07 | Link to Comment mt paul
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you know where you can stuff

that warehouse deposit receipt...

 

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 02:13 | Link to Comment ThisUsernameFol...
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How can everyone say that PM's and inflation are about to take off, while also saying the stock market is going to crash soon? The stock market crashing would destroy wealth, and be deflationary. You can't have hyperinflation with a bombing stock market. Yet on ZH it's article 1: "PM to the moon!" article 2: "Stock Market about to bomb!" 

If you really honestly believe the fed is going to be printing forever, you would be buying stocks right now. Stocks are where the government will lend support before any major drop happens. With PM you have no such support. Those who bought stocks are really the ones who believe in the fed, those who bought PM are left holding the bag.

If the stock market did have a big drop, PM's would have an even bigger one. For those of you who live in a hole, PM's are correlated with the indices. And not in an opposite way.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 02:43 | Link to Comment akak
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The stock market crashing would destroy wealth, and be deflationary.

Wow!  That is such a load of misinformed and fundamentally ignorant crap that it is hard to know how to even begin to refute it.

First off, the stock market crashing would NOT destroy one iota of real wealth, nor has any stock market crash ever done so.  Show me the silos of grain, the buildings, the infrastructure, the gold, ANY physical asset that would be "destroyed" by a fall in the stock market.  Hint: there are none.

All that is 'destroyed' in a stock market crash, or in a real estate crash, or in ANY financial asset crash is the perception of wealth.  That is because the only thing that has truly been lost is fictional and notional valuations, nothing more.  Which is why the second part of your ridiculous statement above is as nonsensical as the first, because as no money (nor real wealth) is destroyed in a stock market collapse, it is in NO way a "deflationary" event.  There was NEVER any real wealth in the paper valuations --- again, we are talking about the collapse of nothing but valuations --- behind those stocks, so no wealth could be destroyed by their decline.

If you believe that stocks represent actual wealth, let's play an imaginary game: suppose that EVERYONE who owns stocks were to try cashing out and selling them all at the same time.  Do you REALLY think that the result of such a scenario would be everyone receiving the "wealth" (or more specifically, the money) that they formerly believed they held in those stocks, and that was now due them from their sale?  Of course, no such thing would happen, because no such thing could happen --- the stock market, and stock valuations, would utterly crash before even a fraction of all stock owners had sold their shares.

You need to learn the very real, and vast, differences between financial assets, wealth and money. They are NOT interchangeable terms!

 

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 03:28 | Link to Comment Bearwagon
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Forget about the need to learn. Who doesn't get it with certificates and such bumf won't learn it with stocks, treasuries or PMs either. There happens nothing new under the sun ...

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 05:53 | Link to Comment scatterbrains
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and you didn't even touch on how corrupt the markets and the fed are.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 10:49 | Link to Comment ClumsyBoatman
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Stockz n Sharez Bitchez!!

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 20:06 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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http://scharts.co/13Ax7er

2011 - plain as day. Gold can easily slam up while stocks slam down. There is NO deflationary activity - money supply is INCREASING.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 03:06 | Link to Comment rp1
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I pity the fool who buys gold.  Gold is useless.  In any scenario you can imagine where gold is prized and needed, you'd probably be better off buying something else.  Also, governments like to confiscate gold.  They've done it before and it worked.  It's nice to be a contrarian and all, and it was a fun ride up, but know when to step off the ski lift.  Best of luck to all.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 03:37 | Link to Comment Bearwagon
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Papergold is useless. The "market" is big enough to drag the prices where a selected few want them to be. The "papermarket" dominates the physical market and dictates the prices. We all got to accept it - even the metaldealers and holders of bullion, the mining companies and everyone who does real work in the production of PMs. Indeed the "papermarket" is king. The ounces somewhere in the backyard haven't lost weight, but the click- and clownounces that existed on paper only have vaporized. With real metal that wouldn't have happened ...

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 04:42 | Link to Comment auric1234
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And you can't eat it!

 

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 20:02 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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I need only look to history to see you are wrong. When governments confiscate gold they confiscate everything else too, yet it’s easier to carry gold in my pocket than food, water, crops, oil, tools or most other things of need for trade. Diamonds, sapphires, rubies, jade, also fall into the highly portable category.

When things get really bad those who run fastest survive longest and those with gold can do so very well. The trick is balancing what you can carry with how fast you must run & for how long – days or weeks or months – or just a few hours across a border – and so on. The longer the journey the more gold you must carry for trade to get safe passage and food from others who will not kill you to turn you in for a prize or take what you have on you.

See, things are going to get a lot worse than you think they are.

Also, this “useless gold” is what was used to make the electronics all around you including the computer your message came from & every other server it passed through. Certainly only small parts but critical parts.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 03:36 | Link to Comment PUD
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What's it like to be a goldtard consumed with metallic delusions of grandeur?

1. Nothing would please you more than a collapse of the currency even though that would obviously be the greatest crisis humankind has ever known bringing untold hardship to billions

2. Nothing would please you more than a little bit of the ole hyper inflation which would also be the greatest tragedy modern society ever suffered under

3. Nothing would please you more than to have your coin shop stuffed with shiny coins fresh from the smelter by way of the Amazon rain forest, clear cut and poisoned for generations

4. Nothing would please you more than to know thousands of children were working tirelessly in horrid conditions to extract your precious from every mud puddle in the third world

5. Nothing pleases you more than your ability to ignore or reject all the negative consequences your obsession entails. It's a rare man indeed who can turn a blind eye to the massive environmental damage, the cultural carnage, the lasting legacy of toxins that circle the globe.

Yes, those who stack precious are as rare a breed as the putrid material they adore.


Xinlong Mining Corporation, a local state-owned corporation, was visited by Blue Dalian during summer, 2011. According to the local Environmental Protection Bureau, the Xinlong Mining Corporation has accumulated more than 1,000 tons of waste residues at the site, far beyond the waste residue carrying capacity permitted. The investigation team observed piles of waste ore and accumulated waste residues held back by a low dam which were susceptible to being washed into the Biliu River in the event of a heavy rain.

The investigation team also learned that several years ago, waste residues directly leaked into Biliu River by the Xinlong Mining Corporation killed local livestock. Villagers living beside Xinlong Mining Corporation operations also told Blue Dalian that they have had difficulty selling their grain crops, due to concerns that the grain may be contaminated with heavy metals through contact with mine waste. Local people have tended to keep silent about these pollution issues because many of them work at the mine.

People living near Futian Mining Corporation operations told investigators about a suspected cyanide toxin accident. A massive fish kill occurred, and many residents developed thyroid problems, had difficulty breathing, and developed impaired eyesight. Local villagers insisted the government release data on water quality of the local river and information on the contents of the company's waste water ponds, but the government never responded. The factory initially agreed to give monetary compensation to villagers whose health was impacted by the accident, but later broke that promise. Investigators learned from villagers who had connections inside the mine that no protective measures to prevent sewage containing cyanide from polluting the Biliu River were in place, though the company covers toxic residues with dirt so that they are out of sight of inspectors. The villagers now drink water from neighboring villages instead of the local groundwater they have relied upon for generations.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 03:44 | Link to Comment akak
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You are a deranged and malicious troll.  Nothing you clutter this forum with has any value nor validity nor relevance whatsoever.

In raising gold to the status of Satan, it is in fact YOU who are religiously devoted to it.  Without your self-created golden devil, would you find your existence meaningless? 

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 03:59 | Link to Comment PUD
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no I'm not. I am an honorable man who is not intimidated by the likes of you. Who isn't afraid to take you on and show how deranged, insensitive, callous, capricious, self centered, arrogant and delusional all you goldtards are. I am a free thinker, a man not afraid to view evidence and make intelligent informed decisions even if it goes against my personal desires.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 04:09 | Link to Comment ether
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"Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance and a deep need for admiration. Those with narcissistic personality disorder believe that they're superior to others and have little regard for other people's feelings. But behind this mask of ultra-confidence lies a fragile self-esteem, vulnerable to the slightest criticism."

 

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/narcissistic-personality-disorder/DS00652

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 04:13 | Link to Comment akak
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And don't forget to mention how narcissism is closely associated with sociopathology.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 04:37 | Link to Comment Bearwagon
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And normalcy bias! Normalcy bias is always a bitch!

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 04:39 | Link to Comment Bay of Pigs
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"all you goldtards"

HAHAHA...

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 04:40 | Link to Comment PUD
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Can't think of any group of people who could care less about others than those who mindlessly and willfully horde despite all the evidence of the harm it causes Can you?

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 05:43 | Link to Comment akak
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Well, assuming that you meant "hoard", you have yet to give us ANY kind of definition of just what your putatively pejorative "hoarding" entails.

And why do we never hear condemnations of those who "hoard" music, or who "hoard" books, or who "hoard" stamps, or who "hoard" photographs?  Why are the accusations of "hoarding" only heard by those who wish to take the rightful (and governmentally coveted) property of law-abiding citizens?

Really, you are so stupid it continues to astound me.  The sheer hateful malevolence of your disingenuousity astounds me rather less.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 05:46 | Link to Comment PUD
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sadly your concept of "law" doesn't include ethical or moral law.

collecting photographs does not entail the use of child labor does it?

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 05:48 | Link to Comment Bearwagon
Thu, 04/25/2013 - 05:54 | Link to Comment PUD
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There is only "natural" law. All manmade "laws" are really statutes or rules.

The "law' of gravity, the "law" of thermodynamics" etc

Morals fall under that category in so far as it is universally accepted that child rape is immoral..etc

Hoarding gold when you know that you are responsible for child labor, environmental destruction, cultural destruction etc is therefore immoral

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 06:06 | Link to Comment Bearwagon
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Morals do NOT fall under the category of "natural law", by which you seem to mean laws of physics. They are completely manmade, and they are anything but universally accepted. The "morals" you talk of, are nothing else than an universal tool of suppression. (And by the way: I didn't send you the link for nothing.) You think Nazis and their ilk were people of low morals? The opposite is true! Again: Get a clue.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 06:33 | Link to Comment PUD
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no, i don't mean only physics. natural law is that which does not need the endorsement of an authority.  gravity does not need to be decreed, do not rape children does not need to be decreed. Certain moral actions are inherent in us and do not need an authority to validate them. Purposeful and willing harm to others...such as gold hoarding...is also an immoral act

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 06:41 | Link to Comment Bearwagon
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Gravity does not need to be decreed - right.

"Do not rape children" does not need to be decreed - painfully wrong. This needs to be agreed upon.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 06:49 | Link to Comment PUD
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Oh really? So if you and your buds agreed that it was ok it would be?

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 06:59 | Link to Comment Bearwagon
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Indeed so! What would you do about it?

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 06:16 | Link to Comment akak
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You are as retardedly autistic as the Chinese troll AnAnonymous here on ZH, and your "arguments" are, like his, consistent in their evasiveness, dishonesty, irrelevance, illogic, and the manner in which they run around in tautological circles while never refuting, or being able to refute, the many challenges to your inane and shallow propaganda.

You completely avoided the question of what constitutes "hoarding", an Orwellian term which implies propertarian noncompliance with a covetous and all-powerful pack of thugs, i.e., government.  You attempt to single out gold mining as somehow uniquely damaging to the environmental when it is patently not, and you cast broadbrushed aspersions against those who dare challenge the power of the sociopaths who masquerade as our leaders by merely holding an inert metal, an absurdly innocent act which yet has outrageously been declared a "crime" in the past and may be again.

You are not merely an idiot, but in your malicious and malevolent trolling you display the worst kind of dishonest and craven allegiance to corrupt and increasingly despotic power, both financial and political. 

You are, in short, flat-out evil.

Burn in Hell you bastard.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 06:35 | Link to Comment PUD
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careful with the juvenile name calling or I'll have to report you and ask that you get banned.  you are your own worst enemy

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 06:41 | Link to Comment akak
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Tread carefully troll --- you have already been reported to the moderator, and I was told that I was far from being the only one to complain about you and request that you be banned.  Expect a warning at the very least --- not that I expect it to have any affect on somebody as rabidly and obsessively dishonest and malicious as you.

If we're lucky, though, you will die in your sleep tonight.  Personally, I would prefer a much more drawn-out and agonizing death for a moral monster such as you.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 06:48 | Link to Comment PUD
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so is that how it is here?  dissenting opinions get banned? Does that include the jew baiters and racists that populate this place or are they ok in your book. why so threatened? Why would facts trouble you? 

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 06:51 | Link to Comment Bearwagon
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How it is here is exactly desribed by the rules. There are eight of 'em. You should respect the third of them a bit more ... and the seventh ....

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 19:48 | Link to Comment Long_Xau
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If you ever get banned, which btw I am not personally calling for yet, I could see a couple of reasons why that would be justified, and it has nothing to do with dissension. You are not engaging in a proper conversation, which is what is expected in this comment section:
1. You indiscriminately copy and paste excerpts from other people's (mainly MSM journalists) writings in a way that confuses readers as to who wrote it. It also makes it harder to try to verify its accuracy.
2. You do not give proper answers to other people's questions and opinions. You are not showing a genuine attempt at finding a common language.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 06:50 | Link to Comment Bearwagon
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I suggest that we keep him as surrogate for Trav or MDB ...

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 06:56 | Link to Comment akak
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He'll have to make shorter troll posts to fit into their niches.

 

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 07:04 | Link to Comment Bearwagon
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Agreed.

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!