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Syrian "Incursion" Imminent? Hints From Current US Naval Positions

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Following the dramatic change in rhetoric from Washington over the past 24 hours regarding Syrian "Weapons of Chemical Destruction", the phrases "Middle East" and "geopolitical risk" are suddenly back in the same sentence on the lips of those sitting around trading desks, leading to a powerful jump in the oil complex where Brent is having its best day in four months, and WTI in give.

Yet the feasibility of an armed conflict with Syria, which Russia has made very clear in the past is a strategic ally in the region aside, is the probability of an incursion truly imminent? For that we go to Stratfor's latest weekly update of US naval assets, which shows that if indeed Obama is planning to do a flyover showing off his Nobel Peace prize above Damascus, there will be a waiting time of at least several weeks as there is nothing in the immediate Syrian offshore vicinity to provide the necessary naval support.

It appears that the 5th Fleet only has CVN-69 Eisenhower in the vicinity of Bahrain, as well as one big deck amphibious ship, the Kearsarge keeping an eye on the Straits of Hormuz. Assuming both ships are tasked to supervise any missions involving Syria that would leave Iran and the Straits of Hormuz unguarded, which is why we doubt this would happen. In fact, it is more likely that CVN 75 and 77, which are currently under way in the Atlantic, will be redirected to the east Mediterranean to provide the necessary air cover should operation "Liberating the Syrian Al-Qaeda funded Rebellion" be a go.

Perhaps as interesting is the positioning of LHA 5 and LHD 6 in the East China Sea, just off the China/Japan disputed island chain, where things are just as sensitive as they are in the middle east and where neither side is willing to back down.

Source: Stratfor


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Thu, 04/25/2013 - 14:45 | 3498994 Pladizow
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They may or may not have WMD's, more likely - not, but still their oil must be liberated or they will hate us for our freedoms!

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 14:48 | 3499012 kushmere
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The liberation of the oil will have a liberating effect on the value of the USD. Bitcoin will become more of a diversified refuge (though not a safe haven).

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:43 | 3499303 knukles
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With no American assets in the vicinity, France will deploy their carrier "Clouseau"



Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:54 | 3499341 THX 1178
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John McCain declares war on Syria. April 25 2013.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 14:49 | 3499029 zuuma
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wag that dog!

Obummer has been having a bad month.  Time to jazz things up in the news. Get back on top.

What better way than a massive, new drone armada, sweeping across syria?

The logo on the drones should be a nice pic of his Nobel peace prize. Yes! The one he EARNED a few weeks after taking office.

That way, th UN will be fully on board.


I think he needs a Heisman, next.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 14:54 | 3499046 McMolotov
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We should have corporate sponsorships and paint up our fleet of drones with the logos of MIC companies. Make it like fucking Nascar with missiles.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 14:58 | 3499065 suteibu
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Politicians should likewise be forced to display their sponsors.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:03 | 3499094 kridkrid
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Sure would make things more transparent:



Smedley D. Butler quotes  “I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.”
? Smedley D. Butler, War is a Racket: The Antiwar Classic by America's Most Decorated Soldier
Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:27 | 3499224 smlbizman
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i am sure he would be a proud card carrying digital dickweed if he were with us.....

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:35 | 3499263 BraveSirRobin
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Aircraft carriers and naval assets are not required here to get the ball rolling. We have air assets and bases in theater able to use airstrips in Crete and Turkey.

The sticking point is Russia seems poised to defend Assad. However, we have declared the use of chemcial weapons as a "Red Line." So, if they use Chemical Weapons, either we do something, or back down.

It would not suprise me to see Russian and Assad coordinate a limited use of chemical weapons to cross that line and force the US and NATO to back down from it's "Red Line" threats, thereby increasing its political, diplomatic, and military power in the region.

If we are lucky, however, we will start WW III. The arms buildup and fixing all the broken windows will create an economic boom to pull us out of this depression fro good. It could also reduce the excess population to the extent that oil reserves per capita are again excessive, and we will have a new era of abundant, cheap oil.

Pray for global nuclear war. It's really the best possible outcome, according to Paul Krugman's economic theories, anyway.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:46 | 3499317 DeadFred
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I thought PK prefered an alien invasion...

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 16:28 | 3499499 BraveSirRobin
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Yes, all other things being equal, as the economist like to say.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 17:14 | 3499689 Kirk2NCC1701
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"Pray for global nuclear war. It's really the best possible outcome, according to Paul Krugman's economic theories, anyway."

I'm praying for a nuke-winter on PK and all Keynesians (Greedspan, etc).  May they not RIP.

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 04:11 | 3501457 dunce
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We have no dog in this fight, we can only lose by getting involved. Russia has ships in place and we do not want a war with Russia. We win  no matter who comes out on top because then the situation is settled and stable. Syria has nothing that we want other than non interference with Israel though obama, as a muslim, looks forward to a belligerant  muslim state.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 17:06 | 3499655 americanspirit
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smlbizman - you really should read the book before making uninformed comments like that. Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler was exactly the opposite of those digital dickweeds you so rightly disrespect.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:23 | 3499211 Boondocker
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Thu, 04/25/2013 - 16:14 | 3499432 dontgoforit
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Ya'll's eff'n crazy!

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 14:50 | 3499038 Dr. Engali
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We need to liberate them from their gold too. After all its for the children.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:16 | 3499175 Everybodys All ...
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Obama's foreign policy is unraveling and he needs to move quickly. The Saudi connection to the WH whether in Benghazi or with the Boston massacre has been exposed and so the time is now or never.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:26 | 3499222 Groundhog Day
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Thier are known knowns, then their are things we no that are unknowm then there are unknown unknowns you see

Know do you understand what i mean?

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 16:09 | 3499410 Che Guevara is Dead
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Too bad Syria only produces about 400k bbl/day, which isn't really a lot to liberate and then hand over to the Chinese to exploit. 

So I guess we'll just have to blame da Jooz. 

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 16:18 | 3499447 FlyingPurpleShe...
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Well since pressure cooker bombs are now WMDs, anything equivalent or more powerful would definitely make them targets.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 20:38 | 3500595 Buck Johnson
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When I heard this afternoon that the US was saying that Syria used chemical weapons I knew that we where going into Syria and real soon. 

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 14:46 | 3499003 alien-IQ
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Thu, 04/25/2013 - 14:49 | 3499018 Canucklehead
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10 years?  Would you put that up on Youtube?

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:18 | 3499196 Sokhmate
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Might have to use timelapse.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:43 | 3499302 Canucklehead
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I'm thinking he would use an animated GIF file.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 14:50 | 3499025 flacon
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It's got something to do with a monopoly on debt-based interest bearing fiat money. And swearing at Jesus isn't helping...

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:23 | 3499213 smlbizman
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it cant hurt.....


Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:05 | 3499069 Kirk2NCC1701
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Regardless of which side you like or agree with, the PRACTICAL thing to do, would be to let both sides duke it out in their Octagon.  Only one winner emerges (Settlers or Palestinians), and we finally have peace.  And, in spite of all the false propaganda and BS, you can bet your last FRN in your wallet, that NO other Muslim country will raise an army and start marching.  Even Pakistan (with its nukes) won't give a shit.

/But where would that leave the MIC?  The non-Jewish MIC. /s

"Perpetual war for perpetual peace."  And perpetual profits.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 14:57 | 3499070 Canadian Dirtlump
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It is disgusting. What I want to know is why these guys are busy installing militant anti jewish ( not merely anti israel - anyone with a brain should be anti israel ) governments in countries in immediate proximity to Israel.


They are absolutelt, unapologetically making the status of Israel's security weaker and weaker. My only thought is to foster weapon sales, or someone is trying to literally get biblical.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 16:18 | 3499453 john39
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the psychopaths running is-ra-el, and the united states, will reap the bitterness that they have sown.  God forgive the ignorant people of the world who enable the killers to do what they are doing.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 16:22 | 3499468 ExpendableOne
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First the bogeyman must be built up.  Then cut down.  No side can be allowed to "win" that would screw up the game.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 17:23 | 3499717 Kirk2NCC1701
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Like most people who do not wish to get sucked into the Israel/Palestinian debate (who started it, who is more to blame, whose dad or God can beat the crap out of the other guy's dad or God), I just want this bullshit to END.  Winner takes all!

I just want this to END, like you Canucks want the "god-damn winter" to end, come April -- or the hockey season to end, come June.  Eh.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 16:23 | 3499469 BraveSirRobin
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The main driver of war with Syria is actually Turkey, which would like to reunite the Ottoman Empire and Caliphate. Turkey has always been the greatest threat to Syria, not Israel. If you could see how Turkish and Syrian forces were deployed over the decades, you would understand this. Syria, before the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire after WWI, was part of Ottoman Empire. There has been a long and persistent fear that Turkey joined NATO to get cover against Russian to pursue its ambitions against Syria.

So, this is being driven by Turkish ambitions. In addition, Turkey will go to war to deny a recognized or de-facto Kurdish state in Syria as they would view such an occurrence as a threat to their territorial integrity and security.

Israel, on the other hand, would not like a solution to the civil war, but would like it to extend forever, if possible, as this obliterates any threat from Syria. Therefore, Israel would not desire intervention to impose stability, especially in favor of an Islamist replacement for Assad.

Saudi Arabia and Jordan would like to see Assad taken out to reduce the regional influence of Iran, who they detest, but, likewise, do not want to see an increase in Turkish power over Syria. This is a very complex political environment, and has very little to do with Israel.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 17:11 | 3499677 americanspirit
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BSR - at last somebody with something to actually add to the conversation. I'm afraid that the shades of grey with which you characterize the current ME situation are way beyond too many current US readers of Zerohedge. But what a relief after the seemingly endless stream of ignorant "joos and bitchez" comments. Thank you.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 17:56 | 3499874 Panafrican Funk...
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Gray is the color of obfuscation.  Not sure why you would applaud this behavior.  It's not nearly as complicated as BSR is making it out to be.  Who the fuck do you think runs Turkey, dummy?

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 18:34 | 3500068 ersatzteil
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It's quite simple, really. Turkey is a secular, godless Western state that happens to be majority Muslim. And they store American nuclear weapons as part of NATO policy.

Give them a choice between taking orders from Brussels in the EU or a Caliphate in Istanbul, and they'll choose the former.

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 00:40 | 3501308 cape_royds
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While it might be true that the Israelis aren't backing any of the factions involved in the Syrian Civil War, it is not true to say that this has "very little to do with Israel."

For the Israelis, the Syrian conflict is mostly about Lebanon.

The Israelis' principal enemy in Lebanon is the Hezbollah, who have been supported by the Assad gov't in Syria. Hezbollah has twice thwarted Israeli ambitions to annex territory in Lebanon, most recently in 2006. Hezbollah has been the only Arab political group with a track record of success against the Israelis.

So the Israelis will eventually want to take advantage of the Syrian Civil War to once again attack the Lebanese.

Right now the Israelis are hoping that Lebanon will suffer from a spillover of the Syrian fighting, since the only times Israel has ever been able to invade Lebanon has been when Lebanon has been riven by its own civil wars.

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 02:12 | 3501391 CustomersMan
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Israel, reasons Syria's mercenary attackers are being supported:

There are SO many reasons for Israel to be backing the rebels (Al-Cia-Da) and other mercenaries.

yes they want to destroy Hezbollah, Iran and anyone else with power in the area that may be a threat to their hegemony

they want the water, and control of it all in the area

they want more land,ersatz Israel

they want the oil and gas both on-shore and off-shore

they want to destroy any banks that are Not hooked into the FED and Bank of London, just one reason Syria must go. Clark Clifford mentioned the 7 countries they wanted to destroy, they are nearing the end of that list.


they want to destroy the civilization of all Arabs, send them back in time 50-100 years,so Israel will be the only advanced country in the area.


they want others to kill for them and in most cases cover the cost, preferably have them destroy each other by stirring animosity, through set-ups and false flags, break-up and Balkenize the countries so they can better destroy the remnants.

they like killing Arabs, and compare themselves to the American's and the Indians

they want control of the Caspian Basin, through Georgia and other countries like Azerbaijan, solidifying control of the flow of oil and gas and now water resources,...if they could control air/oxygen they would take that to, and restrict it, and gouge all humans who need it.


....and the list goes on and on and on. What a destructive,deceptive treacherous and deadly group of vipers, a true menace to humanity.


Thu, 04/25/2013 - 16:35 | 3499497 tony wilson
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we are the slaughtered jew.

we are the helpless zionist

pity us

we are so weak

we are surrounded by evil doers

we let the germans destroy us

we have let history crush us

we are weak victims

we are washington

well we own it

we have all the intel within of the congressmen rapists,sodomites and child killers.

pity us help us congress because we worship satan as well.

all we have is sex and rape information,mossad and 476 nuclear missilles

by hook or crook you will do as we say.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 20:13 | 3500503 NoClueSneaker
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Jonathan Pollard is yer next POTUS . :-P Keep k00l ... hehehe ....

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 20:54 | 3500651 Edward J
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Israel is just a distraction that they hope can be used as justification for war with Iran.

Land access (and a pipeline) to the Caspian Sea is the key goal here (the last major foreign source of oil not under their control). So far, Russia is the only major military power that has access to it.

The majority countries around the caspian sea have agreements with Russia for supply with the only west friendly supplying country being Azerbaijan which has at most access to only 1/5 of the oil fields.

If the US can depose the government of Iran and replace it with a more west friendly dictator or 'democracy' - then it will be able to gain direct military (through installation of yet another strategic oil related US base) and a direct pipeline. This will allow western interests to significantly increase their share of the caspian sea oil reserves.



Thu, 04/25/2013 - 14:46 | 3499007 DoChenRollingBearing
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Please President Obama, not another war...

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 14:56 | 3499053 El Viejo
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The choice between an anti-american Muslim theocracy and another WMD using tyrant(Rusian backed). Why on earth would we get envolved? I hate to see the violence, but it sounds like a lose lose to me. You have to have a critcal mass before democracy has even a chance of succeeding.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 16:27 | 3499492 BraveSirRobin
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Best solution is to keep the war going and expand it as wide as possible. We must break as many windows as possible to boost demand and production. In fact, with a global nuclear war, not only could we print and spend money, we could print and burn it to speed up the recovery process.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 17:41 | 3499808 negative rates
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Hey,they advertize free window breakin at the dealer. It's called BMW, Break My Windows.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 14:53 | 3499054 Meat Hammer
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The fact that your plea is directed at the Pres and not Congress shows how far we've fallen.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 14:57 | 3499068 McMolotov
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Congressional declarations of war are sooo passé. This is the post-Constitutional era. Obama is The Decider™, as was Bush before him.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:14 | 3499160 Kirk2NCC1701
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That's because we no longer have "wars".  It's a Peace Prize dividend, don't you know. 

We now only have "rumors of wars", "humanitarian efforts" and "kinetic action".  And sometimes we have "Shock & Awe" campaigns.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 16:17 | 3499445 negative rates
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No according to Kudlow, when they don't listen to us at all,  it's, "Don't they know there is a war going on over there?" As in we control you financially so it's our way or the highway. He and his bunch get fired up too when the arabs don't understand his way.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 14:59 | 3499077 Ahmeexnal
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Call him by his real title: Dictator Yomomma.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:08 | 3499114 Skateboarder
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Congressional approval for war? That's so 1900s.

Ultimate umbrella corporation. All branches point one way now.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:19 | 3499201 The Heart
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"Please President Obama, not another war..."

Hello DCRB. Big grace.

Unfortunately, the soterobama puppet has nothing to do with making war on innocents at all. It is his puppet-masters the evil banksters in london and new york that are making these decisions. It is the profiteers from war, death, and destruction that create more wars. The soterobama is just a sock-puppet for these babylonian warmongers that think 90 % of the worlds populations have to be eliminated.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:29 | 3499229 Groundhog Day
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not another war....? What will we do with all these unemployed college grads and unused bunker busters and rockets and grenades, and bullets and tanks and fighter jets and and and

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 14:47 | 3499008 j0nx
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Wow the attention that the boston bombing is getting really gave kim jong a great way to lower (read completely drop) the rhetoric without losing face. Almost coincidence one would say. Now it's Syria replacing NK with pissant uppity country of the month that we need to attack.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 14:52 | 3499049 flapdoodle
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1 * 9 * 8 * 4

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:08 | 3499122 ParkAveFlasher
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= 288

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:10 | 3499130 Skateboarder
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+ 623 = 911. Have I unintentionally predicted something here?

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 16:01 | 3499377 moonman
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-885 = 26

The age of Kevin Bacon when he starred in Footloose.

Now things are just getting eerie

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 16:45 | 3499558 BraveSirRobin
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If you assign a number to each letter of the alphabet, A = 1, B = 2, etc, and multiply the value of all the letters in Obama, you get 390. Then, if you multiply 390 by 5, the number of letters in "Obama", you get 1950. Then, if you add all the values of his first name, you get 33. Add 1950 with 33, you get 1983. Since he is the "One," you then add 1 + 1983 which happens to equal 1984. Coincidence? I think not.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 17:30 | 3499742 FeralSerf
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Isn't 1984 the year Bush and Reagan were elected, the real beginning of the current debacle/malaise and the promotion of the banker class to owners of the universe?

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 19:20 | 3500245 Abi Normal
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ugh, blame it on the conservatives, it's a common theme these days...I think there is enough blame for both sides dont ya think?  maybe if you took off the rose colored glasses for a minute you would see that?

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 22:06 | 3500893 FeralSerf
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Bush and Reagan were NOT conservatives. No way, no how! Traitors, yes, but not conservatives.

Bush, as always, is a criminal from a criminal family. Reagan was an actor that had trouble remembering his lines.

"What did he know and when did he know it?" Answer: "Not a fucking thing, ever." Ron just tried to stay out of the way and be good front man after Bush's boy, Hinckley, nearly killed him.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 21:51 | 3500845 BraveSirRobin
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Reagan was elected in 1980, and re-elected in 1984. Many at the time noted Ronald Wilson Reagan contains 6 letters in each name or 666. However, if you take 1984, and divide it by 666, you get 2.978 with the .978 repeating to infinity. If you multiply 2 x 9 x 7 x 8 you get 1008. Add 666 back, you get 1674, which happens to be the year the first dwelling was built in what is today Chicago, the city in which both Ronald Reagan and Obama both lived. Tell me I am not on to something here. Dare you.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 22:10 | 3500906 FeralSerf
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The Indians built their first dwelling in Chicago in 1674? Wow, I didn't know that.

You very well may be on something.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 14:47 | 3499009 Canucklehead
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The Americans get a free hand in Syria, while Russia maintains observer status.  In return, the Russians get a free hand in Chechnya, and the Americans maintain observer status.

It looks like the world is unfolding as it should.  Risk on...

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:02 | 3499091 SmallerGovNow2
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I didn't down arrow you, but I'm not so sure Russia gives us free rein over Syria....

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:42 | 3499290 Canucklehead
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In the big picture, Russia wants to maintain a seat at the table.  Syria doesn't guarantee them that seat...  countries have interests, not friends.

The world is revolting against the islamofacism that seems to have no end.  The inherent reaction of the world to Boston is the clue that the rules are changing while we watch events unfold.  Putin et al understand this as their funds are housed in economies outside of Russia.  They need a seat at the table.

This is a no-brainer slam dunk.  Russia is on side in this.  They may choose to step off the bus at the next stop.  For now, they are working to beat down islamofacism.  The House of Saud is in trouble.  Economic opportunities will follow later.

The drums are beating and the winds are rising.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 19:06 | 3500193 ersatzteil
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Do you mean for islamofascism to refer to the Western-backed Arab monarchies? Or Syria's secular integration of Christian and Alawite minorities, or Iran's constitutional guarantee for Christian and Jewish representation in parliament?

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:55 | 3499351 Gold Eyed Cat
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I agree.  The Russians will defend their interests in Tartus.  They need the port.  Obama is determined to hand Syria over to the Muslim Brotherhood- just like Egypt and Libya.  This is what Benghazi was about. 

We were using the Benghazi consulate to arm the MB to fight in Syria.  Libyan weapons were suppose to be collected and destroyed, but only the non-functional ones were destroyed for show.  Russia warned us to stop destablizing Syria.  We denied.  September 11th, Stephens was sent to meet his Turkish counterpart.  At the meeting he was shown Russian satelite photographs exposing the Benghazi gun running operation.  One hour and thrity minutes later shots are fired at the consulate.

We were using MB anti-Assad forces to advance our objectives in Syria, and the Russians were using Iranian backed forces to protect theirs.  The attack was executed by 2 or 3 teams of well armed and organized Iranian assets (200 plus men).

This is why Panetta's excuse for inaction was, "...the basic principle is that you don't deploy forces into harm's way without knowing what's going on."  He means, they did not know what additional forces Russia and Iran had commited to the attack.

The part about Obama blaming You Tube is so insulting and still seriously sickens me. 


Thu, 04/25/2013 - 16:39 | 3499508 Canucklehead
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... Vlad, you want a port?  You got a port.  We don't need it anyways...

Take a look at the port on Google maps...

Here are the coordinates:


Copy and paste.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 17:38 | 3499780 Gold Eyed Cat
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Russia has a navel base in Tartus that it heavily uses.  They are not about to happily walk away from it now if Obama commits to removing Assad.  They have fought for their Tartus port in the past.  They may again.  Awesome use of Google maps though.  You rock.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 14:52 | 3499010 docj
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Gee. How, uh, convenient for those looking for a nice little war to distract the sheeple from the collapsing suckfest that is our "economy".

Paulie Krugnutz will be pleased - plenty more "broken windows" coming Syria's way. Soon. BULLISH!!

P.S.: anyone else pleased as punch as to have Jean Francois "Lurch" Kerry and Chuckie "20-watt" Hagel manning the helm at the Ships of State and Defense these days? Fills me to overflowing with CONfidence, youbetcha!

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:54 | 3499343 knukles
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Oh thanks for wrenching me out of my sonombulatory myopia, reminding me we're in such good hands with Lurch and 20 watt

No adults....

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 14:48 | 3499013 McMolotov
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From page 1 of the government's "How to Succeed at Slowly Imposing Tyranny" playbook:

"Distract. Distract. Distract. Distract. Distract. Distract. Distract. Distract. Distract. Distract. Distract. Distract. Distract. Distract. Distract. Distract. Distract. Distract. Distract. Distract."

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 16:20 | 3499456 negative rates
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And then watch the weather, and attack at the worst possible time. I'm totally on board too.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 14:48 | 3499015 Westcoastliberal
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Most likely story is the "rebels" (Al Queida) are using chemical weapons against the Syrians (probably supplied by U.S.) Of course this wouldn't match the neo-con playbook, so they have to switch it around.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:48 | 3499194 dick cheneys ghost
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Tartus.......connect the dots from the Cyprus bail-ins to the Boston bombings to this

What happens to Tartus after the Syrians have been liberated and force fed the kardashians and DWTS?


Just saw this too.......about the gold smash down and the Russians...

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 14:50 | 3499024 Meat Hammer
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And now the obligatory...that got out of hand quickly.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 14:59 | 3499074 RonBurgundy
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I've been meaning to talk to you about that. You might want to lay low for a little while

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 14:50 | 3499035 Gringo Viejo
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More weapons of mass distraction?

"Honey, mix me another drink!"

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 14:50 | 3499037 q99x2
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Prevent terrorism. Kiss a muslim.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 20:21 | 3500536 NoClueSneaker
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Tom Lehrer : "National Brotherhood Week "

( Not sure if I've done it right )

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 14:56 | 3499064 Seize Mars
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This isn't business, it's personal. Syria does not have a Rothschild central bank. And yes, their gold is important. The oil? That's a canard, there are plenty of oil fields nearby. "Drrraiiinage!!!!"

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 14:58 | 3499072 The Heart
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So, since the world is not going for the false flag event in boston, they are going to start world war three.

Yes, silver is up, but more alarming is the skyrocketing of the oil prices. They always go up before an attack, or more war that might stop the supply. These evil things go for all the profits they can before all hell breaks loose. This is not a good sign. There should be a great concern as the dominoes are now being stacked to blame Syria for some sort of chemical attack, or another false flag event, and then it is off to the war three and mass population reductions using weapons of mass destruction.

Pray for the once great country of America as she is dying every day.


Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:11 | 3499145 PhattyBuoy
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McCain is beating the war drum again ...

Sen John McCain: Syrian chemical use has crossed our red lines
DEBKAfile April 25, 2013, 7:51 PM (GMT+02:00)

“We return to our demand from the start for safe zones, no-fly zones and assistance to rebels who are trusted, said Republican Senator John McCain, now that President Obama’s red lines have been crossed by the Syrian government’s use of chemical weapons. MCain reminded the president that he called this a game changer. The senator did not call for US “boots on the ground” but said more needs to be done, especially to prevent chemical weapons falling into the wrong hands.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:15 | 3499173 ParkAveFlasher
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Unleash the drones, Chancellor Palpatine.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:48 | 3499319 The Heart
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"McCain is beating the war drum again ..."

Geeze-la-wheeze...mccain...gotta be the worst traitor hazard to the USA ever. Just look at his military record and wonder, how could this Manchurian traitor ever make it into a place of puppet-leadership? What a evil evil lying sack of horse carp. Of course, this also describes accurately most of the other leader-puppets that do not work for the people. Rather, they function on the strings of the banksters and the god, money. As the USA has now become the new world bankster created nazi-germany, it is just a matter of time before we see another EVENT to blame someone on. Prolly Syria, or maybe even Iran.

FUTURE PROPAGANDA HEADLINE: Today, with the complete support of isreal, AL-CIA-DUH has launched a chemical weapon in Syria and is blaming Syria for the ramped up really big reason to attack innocent Syria, and later Iran.

Darn, do these evil things ever change?

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 16:31 | 3499501 akak
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If I ever meet that fucking warmongering albino chipmunk I am going to punch him right in his overstuffed neocon cheeks, easily dodging the feeble swipes from his little T-rex arms.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 20:32 | 3500580 NoClueSneaker
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FUTURE PROPAGANDA UPDATE : Chinese hackers stole plutonium from LLNL and managed to delivere it to Bashir al Assad via AMZN . Syrian Hitler targets Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, Ryad, Orange County and Hemptons  . His intercontinental missiles are ready to be lounched. Act NOW !  Help him, ffs !!!!!


Thu, 04/25/2013 - 16:25 | 3499489 ExpendableOne
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McCain or any other ex pow should be pensioned off and never allowed back into government service.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 17:17 | 3499699 americanspirit
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I think McCain was turned during his imprisonment and then sent back to the US as a sleeper. I think the Russians own him 100%. Imagine the damage he could have done if he had become president.

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 05:54 | 3501517 Go Tribe
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How many Americans have died because of that bastard? What's wrong with Arizona voters.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 14:59 | 3499079 docmac324
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WTF.  Boston gets bombed, and North Korea suddenly, and without warning falls off the planet.

No USA Bombings today, okay lets talk Syria!

Does this shit ever end?


Thu, 04/25/2013 - 14:58 | 3499080 The Dancer
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BarakaDoc is not on the top of this pecking order by a long shot...he's merely the temporary keeper of the White House. I bet he's barely consulted with in the serious matters of war. This game has been going on for a long time...way before his lovely mother bumped into the Kenyan.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 19:13 | 3500219 flapdoodle
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Smells like BS to me...

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:02 | 3499098 docmac324
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Know religion, know war

No religion, no war


Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:28 | 3499228 Max Hunter
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No greed.. no war..

no fear..  no war

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:51 | 3499338 The Heart
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No love.. no world..

No heart.. no life

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 16:56 | 3499616 McMolotov
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No credit, no problem.

No woman, no cry.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 19:14 | 3500224 flapdoodle
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No tickee

No washee

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:04 | 3499101 Likstane
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Who's gonna guard Cuba, and the Seychelles, and Tonga, and McMurdo ice station, and Paraguay, and the Black Dutch Republic, and Lesotho, and Licken-stain and all the other terrorist hot-spots?  We're gonna need more navy. 

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:04 | 3499102 FiatFapper
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Syria:- just a kitchen extension.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:06 | 3499108 Canucklehead
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Look, this all goes back to the leadership of Al-Hakim Bi-Amr Allah.

If he wasn't such a jackass, and left the pilgrimage travel trade alone, the Byzantines would have been happy.  But no, he had to start the jackass jihad movement and look where we find ourselves today.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:05 | 3499110 max2205
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yeah, oil up 10% in 4 days...slam dunk

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:13 | 3499113 Colonial Intent
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I asked the colonel what he thought of human rights.

“Human rights is wrong,” he said.

The colonel didn’t believe the concept could work in Afghanistan. It is too abstract, he said. It is like a piece of clothing so big it is worthless, or a tool no one knows how to use.

“It works in other countries because the people are educated and the government and the police function,” the colonel said. “Here the people aren’t educated and the government is corrupt. If I catch a guy planting an IED, what am I supposed to do with him? I turn him over to the police, and someone bribes them or gives money to the judge, and they release him. Now he’s free to go set more IEDs—and he wants revenge against me.”

The colonel turned up his hands. It is simple.“It’s better to just shoot him,” he said.

“There should be no human rights in war.”

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:06 | 3499116 monad
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Obama legacy so far: Biggest loser since his role model Woodrow Wilson. WW3 here we come

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 20:40 | 3500597 NoClueSneaker
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psst ... OBL ( shit, edit ) BHO wins through the spread - from Black Jesus to the used GoldmanSux condom is a long way ...

Jerk of The Century, NobelFart certified .

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:07 | 3499117 The Dancer
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This site is awsome! Ahead of everybody else!

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:09 | 3499124 sitenine
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No shit, incursion is imminent. Hagel has 'evidence' that Syria used chemical weapons. The fat lady started singing at that exact moment. Chalk one more up for Western Imperialism. I'm just curious how Kerry is going to top Hillary's, "we came, we saw, he died. HAHAHA!" statement. 

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:11 | 3499136 Kirk2NCC1701
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Summer's coming... Israeli settlers and farmers needs more water rights from Syria.

/ BTW, whatever 'Divinity' or space alien not from the Federation Of Planets, who promised the land to competing tribes was a real sadistic asshole.  Loki?  Q?  Was that you? /s

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 16:03 | 3499384 knukles
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Yeah, well SoCal needs more from Arizona and Nevada and that ain't gonna happen neither.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 19:14 | 3500222 ersatzteil
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F'ing 'zonies...we'll start an entry tax here in SoCal: every Arizona and Nevada car has to bring a trunk full of fresh water for us so they can play in the Pacific.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:11 | 3499137 MFLTucson
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Where in the fuck does this end?

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:20 | 3499202 alien-IQ
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"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but
World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."

Albert Einstein

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 21:55 | 3500863 BraveSirRobin
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Unfortunately, the US and Russia (USSR) have very greatly reduced their number of nuclear weapons so there will not be as much stimulus from WW III as there would have been, say, 25 years ago.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:59 | 3499375 The Heart
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"Where in the fuck does this end?"



Thu, 04/25/2013 - 16:04 | 3499390 knukles
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Free SSRIs for everybody

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 16:14 | 3499430 Ms. Erable
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It ends like it always does: in fire.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 19:32 | 3500286 autofixer
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It ends on the plains of Meggido.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 20:42 | 3500610 NoClueSneaker
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Watch above you - when u see an very untalkative Predator-drone - then you can make your estimation .... and short your life .

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:11 | 3499138 RobD
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You can't have your big navel assets all preposition if you want to start a surprise war, that would be bad form.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:16 | 3499142 YHC-FTSE
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The next move on the global chess board is Russia's now. If Putin stands firm in Syria (Likely), then i) We all get to participate in WWIII as the struggle to clear the Syrian air defence to allow Israel to bomb Iran gets out of hand (Which imo is what this is all about). Or ii) the bullshit and rhetoric dies down from the Pentagon and the board is reset once again.

Let's hope it's the latter. It's even money which is just too close for doing nothing. For the 2nd time in my life, I will be joining a peaceful antiwar march if/when it forms. 

Edit: I know. Fat lot of good that did the first time in Nov 2002 in London, but I have to do something. 

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:41 | 3499286 blabam
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You'd do more by working that day and buying phyzz with the proceeds. 

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 16:09 | 3499406 YHC-FTSE
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Buying PM is good advice, that goes without question. But I think I can spare one or two days of my life to protest against the most abhorrent and insane activity known to man if it seems imminent.  I want to be able to look my children in the eye, or at least be able to clear my conscience on this matter. Just my personal choice - not advocating or preaching.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 16:02 | 3499388 Vlad Tepid
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Maybe then Russia plays the "Gold Hand" that Jim Rickards' been prophesying.  Final nail, meet coffin.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 16:25 | 3499484 YHC-FTSE
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Had to look that up because I haven't read his book, Currency Wars. But if I understand the gist, Russia, China and India have "Strong Hands" with currencies that are being rapidly backed up with PM and foreign reserves other than the USD. The gold hand that removes the reserve currency is possible,  and even desirable if it helps to stop another war. I think the fall of the reserve currency is inevitable anyway,  and the sociopaths who are still stuck in the last century are playing the same game of global dominance to delay it. Risking all our lives for their love of power.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 16:51 | 3499596 Vlad Tepid
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Yup.  And it's a good read too.  But avert a war?  With psychopaths on The Hill at the helm...possible but not likely.  When checkers players lose to chess players they tend to upturn the board in childish frustration.

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 06:01 | 3501521 Go Tribe
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Problem is, the psychopaths will control the gold, too. Petrogold.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 16:19 | 3499454 The Heart
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Good eve to ya Y-F.

"...,but I have to do something."

Rest assured good heart, you are. You, like many others here, are speaking their truth to power in this open forum where the freedom of the press reigns. It is the majority that rules on ZH. Of course, we have good Captains at the helms of the Lightbrigaders too. Give thanks.

What is amazing to see is how the blah, blah, blah, fear propaganda is ever so changing, but always on track to world population elimination and domination over what ever them babylonians think will be left after a half million years of fallout of unimaginable horror from the last planned world war.

Yes, DO SOMETHING. The key word "do" is an action one. This is exactly what everyone's heart is telling them. Do you listen to the heart, or to the fear filled mind? The natural instinct says, you have to DO something and yes, they are. Some openly with out the shadow of fear hanging over every thought in a day, and some behind the scenes. The babylonians are good teachers. Hope is the helmet, faith the shield.

Pray for a world that gets it's daily bread from the babylonian propaganda and bankster puppets. One has to ask, will any of these evil puppet-leader things ever do, or say anything good at all, any more, ever again in history? When was the last time ANY of these globalist puppets said or DID anything good for the nation, or people they are elected to SERVE?

Too much to write about. Must retreat to the garden. Thank you ALL for being a beautiful part of it all.



Thu, 04/25/2013 - 16:33 | 3499516 YHC-FTSE
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Thank you for your kind words. We might be thousands of miles apart, or even next door, on polar opposites on some philosophical points, different religions or race. But I always appreciate kind words and blessings from strangers with gratitude.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 16:52 | 3499597 falak pema
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In kind hearts and coronets like in arsenic and old lace many people get laid down like strangers in kindly gratitude. 

Yikes....but what a blessing it is that polar opposites end up discussing philosophy stiff as broomsticks in the cellar of old maids 


Thu, 04/25/2013 - 17:03 | 3499641 YHC-FTSE
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:) You crack me up sometimes. +1

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:14 | 3499151 Uncle Zuzu
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No need for naval assets. NATO has 24 bases in Turkey, and the UK has 2 in Cyprus. Not to mention Qatar, Jordan and other allies who would also provide their air fields and support.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 16:01 | 3499381 Vlad Tepid
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Stick to Risk.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:13 | 3499152 lolmao500
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Good thing that...,7340,L-4372464,00.html

IDF shoots down Hezbollah drone off Haifa coast

F-16 fighter jets track unmanned aircraft apparently sent by Hezbollah, down it some eight kilometers off Haifa shore; Navy vessels search for wreckage. PM: We will ensure citizens' safety

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 16:18 | 3499163 earleflorida
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Thu, 04/25/2013 - 16:26 | 3499481 negative rates
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It's prolly just the same drone we sent them, refurbished and refueled. And then shot down by it's orignal owner who then spends more money trying to find the shot down drone for sporting purposes.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:16 | 3499171 SDRII
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The Sound of War Drums...

Unmanned aircraft, most likely from Hezbollah, was shot down by Israel Air Force fighter jets over sea opposite the northern Israeli city; PM Netanyahu was flying in an IAF helicopter at the time of the incident, and was forced to land.

Hezbollah denies it sent drone towards Israel

Hezbollah sent drone: Israel deputy defence minister

Syria says it would not use chemical arms, 'even against Israel'

Iran Told Hezbollah to Join Syrian War, Says Ex-Leader

Israel warns of Lebanon pain in next war with Hezbollah

Rosneft, Lukoil and Novatek bid to prospect Lebanese shelf



From 2012

Israel biggest MENA spy threat – US official

Senior IDF officer: Israel is preparing for the next Lebanon war


Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:27 | 3499223 SDRII
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·         Hezbollah lashed out Monday at the administration of U.S. President Barack Obama, accusing it of meddling in Lebanon’s affairs and trying to drag the country into crises. “We are to this day still working with all our might to ward off the specter of strife [hanging over] our country – a strife we have rejected because it is a U.S. scheme together with an Israeli project that is the basis for the discord moving from one region to another,” the head of Hezbollah's executive council, Sayyed Hashem Safieddine, said in a statement issued Monday. “This is the destructive American project against Syria and the entire region – which aims to instill fighting and pushes with all its might to keep the bloodshed and destruction,” he said.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:31 | 3499237 SDRII
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Okab Sakr, Purveyor of Fine Armaments & Explosives

Tammam Salam Named New Lebanese PM; Salam's father was a former prime minister and leader of the Sunni sect in Lebanon for decades. Salam despite having won a parliamentary seat on a Future Movement (Hariri’s party) electoral list in the 2009 elections, was not a ‘provocative’ candidate to the March 8 alliance.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:34 | 3499190 earleflorida
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it's all about the 'blue gold'... and, the roo[out]t?ing of europe?

"Gas will help Cyprus play greater role in Europe"  [4/24/13] 

Bonus:  "Syria expects more financial aid from Russia, Iran  [4/25/13] same page

think levant basin, where the poltargeist of pilate [obama] will wash his hands in a fiery blue-flame cistern of exoneration...

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:23 | 3499212 Fix It Again Timmy
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Only girlie-men use boats...

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 16:04 | 3499391 Vlad Tepid
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That's why the US has such a big navy, I guess.


Thu, 04/25/2013 - 19:34 | 3500300 autofixer
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No, we learned from the British that if you have a big enough navy, you can do what you want.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:34 | 3499253 Edward Fiatski
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Unlikely, unless a CSG is about to be position in the Med.

Has the U.S. ever conducted any operation in the ME from the Med? Libya notwithstanding.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:36 | 3499262 Floodmaster
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My Stupid Unpatriotic Vehicle run on spoils of war and Canadian dirty oil sands, send the troops!

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