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"The Illuminati Were Amateurs" - Matt Taibbi Explains How "Everything Is Rigged"

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From Matt Taibbi of Rolling Stone, back to his best, most floral of writing styles:

Everything Is Rigged: The Biggest Price-Fixing Scandal Ever

The Illuminati were amateurs. The second huge financial scandal of the year reveals the real international conspiracy: There's no price the big banks can't fix

Conspiracy theorists of the world, believers in the hidden hands of the Rothschilds and the Masons and the Illuminati, we skeptics owe you an apology. You were right. The players may be a little different, but your basic premise is correct: The world is a rigged game. We found this out in recent months, when a series of related corruption stories spilled out of the financial sector, suggesting the world's largest banks may be fixing the prices of, well, just about everything.

You may have heard of the Libor scandal, in which at least three – and perhaps as many as 16 – of the name-brand too-big-to-fail banks have been manipulating global interest rates, in the process messing around with the prices of upward of $500 trillion (that's trillion, with a "t") worth of financial instruments. When that sprawling con burst into public view last year, it was easily the biggest financial scandal in history – MIT professor Andrew Lo even said it "dwarfs by orders of magnitude any financial scam in the history of markets."

That was bad enough, but now Libor may have a twin brother. Word has leaked out that the London-based firm ICAP, the world's largest broker of interest-rate swaps, is being investigated by American authorities for behavior that sounds eerily reminiscent of the Libor mess. Regulators are looking into whether or not a small group of brokers at ICAP may have worked with up to 15 of the world's largest banks to manipulate ISDAfix, a benchmark number used around the world to calculate the prices of interest-rate swaps.

Interest-rate swaps are a tool used by big cities, major corporations and sovereign governments to manage their debt, and the scale of their use is almost unimaginably massive. It's about a $379 trillion market, meaning that any manipulation would affect a pile of assets about 100 times the size of the United States federal budget.

It should surprise no one that among the players implicated in this scheme to fix the prices of interest-rate swaps are the same megabanks – including Barclays, UBS, Bank of America, JPMorgan Chase and the Royal Bank of Scotland – that serve on the Libor panel that sets global interest rates. In fact, in recent years many of these banks have already paid multimillion-dollar settlements for anti-competitive manipulation of one form or another (in addition to Libor, some were caught up in an anti-competitive scheme, detailed in Rolling Stone last year, to rig municipal-debt service auctions). Though the jumble of financial acronyms sounds like gibberish to the layperson, the fact that there may now be price-fixing scandals involving both Libor and ISDAfix suggests a single, giant mushrooming conspiracy of collusion and price-fixing hovering under the ostensibly competitive veneer of Wall Street culture.

Why? Because Libor already affects the prices of interest-rate swaps, making this a manipulation-on-manipulation situation. If the allegations prove to be right, that will mean that swap customers have been paying for two different layers of price-fixing corruption. If you can imagine paying 20 bucks for a crappy PB&J because some evil cabal of agribusiness companies colluded to fix the prices of both peanuts and peanut butter, you come close to grasping the lunacy of financial markets where both interest rates and interest-rate swaps are being manipulated at the same time, often by the same banks.

"It's a double conspiracy," says an amazed Michael Greenberger, a former director of the trading and markets division at the Commodity Futures Trading Commission and now a professor at the University of Maryland. "It's the height of criminality."

The bad news didn't stop with swaps and interest rates. In March, it also came out that two regulators – the CFTC here in the U.S. and the Madrid-based International Organization of Securities Commissions – were spurred by the Libor revelations to investigate the possibility of collusive manipulation of gold and silver prices. "Given the clubby manipulation efforts we saw in Libor benchmarks, I assume other benchmarks – many other benchmarks – are legit areas of inquiry," CFTC Commissioner Bart Chilton said.

But the biggest shock came out of a federal courtroom at the end of March – though if you follow these matters closely, it may not have been so shocking at all – when a landmark class-action civil lawsuit against the banks for Libor-related offenses was dismissed. In that case, a federal judge accepted the banker-defendants' incredible argument: If cities and towns and other investors lost money because of Libor manipulation, that was their own fault for ever thinking the banks were competing in the first place.

"A farce," was one antitrust lawyer's response to the eyebrow-raising dismissal.

"Incredible," says Sylvia Sokol, an attorney for Constantine Cannon, a firm that specializes in antitrust cases.

All of these stories collectively pointed to the same thing: These banks, which already possess enormous power just by virtue of their financial holdings – in the United States, the top six banks, many of them the same names you see on the Libor and ISDAfix panels, own assets equivalent to 60 percent of the nation's GDP – are beginning to realize the awesome possibilities for increased profit and political might that would come with colluding instead of competing. Moreover, it's increasingly clear that both the criminal justice system and the civil courts may be impotent to stop them, even when they do get caught working together to game the system.

If true, that would leave us living in an era of undisguised, real-world conspiracy, in which the prices of currencies, commodities like gold and silver, even interest rates and the value of money itself, can be and may already have been dictated from above. And those who are doing it can get away with it. Forget the Illuminati – this is the real thing, and it's no secret. You can stare right at it, anytime you want.




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Fri, 04/26/2013 - 20:46 | 3504499 vulcanraven
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Silly sheeple in the comments section at Rolling Stone still believe the US justice dept. will prosecute a banktard.



Fri, 04/26/2013 - 20:49 | 3504514 LetThemEatRand
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Apparently you should ALWAYS go full banktard.

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 21:08 | 3504587 cifo
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I finally got it :)

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 21:17 | 3504612 espirit
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Never underestimate the enemy (or who it is).  I think there's a Sun Tzu reference here. 

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 21:21 | 3504619 dryam
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The trolls in this thread will reveal themselves as being somehow associated with those that Taibbi writes about.  It's all about misinformation & diluting true information.

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 21:42 | 3504685 cifo
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I'm sure the iluminati will reply. They will also explain to us better how it works :)

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 21:46 | 3504696 john39
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real people own TBTF banks and central banks.  They have names.  who they answer to, less clear...  the true puppet masters.

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 21:52 | 3504712 Almost Solvent
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Hi, I'm Fred Thompson. And, you know, if you're like a lot of folks out there lately, then finances might be a little tight. Well, maybe it doesn't have to be that way. 'Cause if you're 62 years or older and own your own home, then join hundreds of thousands of other Americans who have used a reverse mortgage as a safe, effective financial tool.

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 22:25 | 3504787 TwoShortPlanks
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I'm no conspiracy theorist, but perhaps I can finally stop bashing my head against this brick wall.

4th post down and continues down the thread.

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 22:37 | 3504822 fonzannoon
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I missed that post the first time. that was ridiculous. thanks for referencing. amazing thoughts.

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 22:44 | 3504835 erg
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Matt's brain must be distilled into some kind of spray that may be spritzed upon the crowding, doltish umong us.

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 22:58 | 3504881 erg
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Fri, 04/26/2013 - 23:27 | 3504923 FEDbuster
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Let's see the "powers that be" get the price of physical gold and silver to match their paper smack down.  ASE in my area are stuck at $30 no matter what the paper spot price drops to.  If the paper price heads back up to $26+, I am sure the price will go up.  The current floor price is $30, if they have any in stock.  Gold eagles did move down closer to spot, but not many of those around either.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 01:10 | 3505011 DoChenRollingBearing
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In the past week, I have been to my LCS three times, and bought a one oz Gold Eagle each time, all they had (or said they had).  At least I was able to buy (as well)  a 1/4 oz Au Maple and the last 1/10 oz AGE they had.

Today, I am happy to also report, that my LGS (Gun) had 100 rounds of 7.62 * 39 (Fiocchi brand, made in Hungary, I have fired (total) about 300 rounds -- ZERO problems) that they sold me.  $101.00, included sales tax.  I believe that beats all but Russian ammo prices at (one supplier has $1.00 per round, but I bet they charge for shipping).

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 01:30 | 3505024 LetThemEatRand
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I'm a little suspicious of you and your bearings.  Do you also sell slow cookers?


Sat, 04/27/2013 - 01:48 | 3505038 Harbanger
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Oh please, why lord?

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 01:50 | 3505048 LetThemEatRand
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No, it's "Lloyd" for you, not "lord."  Unless you mean Lord Lloyd, in which case I get your drift.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 02:02 | 3505062 Harbanger
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 "I get your drift."?  I picture you as some old bitter hippie hanging on to your LSD dreams of utopia.  Hows it working out for you?

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 02:10 | 3505067 LetThemEatRand
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I picture you as a douche.  

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 02:15 | 3505070 Harbanger
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Because you're a nymph with a dirty vagina.  Find another boyfriend.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 02:22 | 3505072 LetThemEatRand
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Dirty vagina.  +1 for that.  P.S.  Got to ya.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 02:25 | 3505074 Harbanger
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Fuck you hippie loser, I'll tell you when it's over.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 02:28 | 3505077 LetThemEatRand
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When all else fails, your antagonist is a hippie.  Love it.  Think for yourself much?

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 04:13 | 3505132 JOYFUL
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TKO? -Teddy Pendergrass\Love TKO


Sat, 04/27/2013 - 09:41 | 3505314 DaveyJones
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Mommy, is the boogeyman real?

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 11:03 | 3505432 pods
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Yep, and when he goes to sleep he checks his closet for Jamie Dimon.

Oops, wrong thread.


Sat, 04/27/2013 - 22:04 | 3506764 grunk
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I'm gonna jump.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 22:05 | 3506765 grunk
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I'm gonna jump.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 22:06 | 3506768 grunk
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I'm gonna jump.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 22:09 | 3506771 grunk
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Wait, second thoughts.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 22:10 | 3506777 grunk
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I feel like I'm in a subway at rush hour.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 22:09 | 3506780 grunk
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Like a college phone booth prank.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 22:10 | 3506783 grunk
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Hold my breath. Someone else can fit in.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 22:13 | 3506786 grunk
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I've reached the other side. Am I dead?

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 20:41 | 3506602 Think for yourself
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Sorry, ain't been around a lot lately. Obviously there's work to be done.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 01:52 | 3505045 DoChenRollingBearing
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@ LTER  

No, I help my in-laws (they are in Peru) buy bearings, from Korea, Japan and China.

Au is my hobby...  Pb is what defends it...

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 01:54 | 3505050 LetThemEatRand
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NORTH Korea?


Sat, 04/27/2013 - 01:57 | 3505055 DoChenRollingBearing
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Probably WOULD be cheaper than the S Korean we buy, LOL... Have to plus ya for that!

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 02:02 | 3505058 LetThemEatRand
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Thanks for having a sense of humor.  Rare these days.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 02:03 | 3505063 DoChenRollingBearing
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The "/sarc" tag helps, Bearings are notorious for not identifying subtle humor...

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 02:07 | 3505064 LetThemEatRand
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What comes around.....

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 01:36 | 3505026 Harbanger
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Interesting you mention hungary.  Last week my friend was playing with some 3 1/2 inch, 12 gauge rounds of 1-1/16 oz. slugs that were made in hungary.  @ 2000ft/sec, standing at about 100 feet,  they went straight thru both sides of an old truck in his yard.  You need a strong shoulder and it sounds like a cannon.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 01:38 | 3505031 LetThemEatRand
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Sat, 04/27/2013 - 01:59 | 3505053 DoChenRollingBearing
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@ Harbanger


Like ammo trivia?  Today I learned at my LGS that the Russian AK ammo (steel bullets, not even lead, I guess that's why it's cheap) will go through a concrete block when fired from the AK-47 (so "armor-piercing"), which I did not know.  "Through a concrete block" was not further defined, and I did not ask for further details...

Hungarian Fiocchi is made with Pb bullets and brass cases (Russian uses steel in their FMJs as well, like I wrote: cheap)

Steel bullets are not OK for use at indoor ranges, they ricochet much more than lead bullets.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 02:19 | 3505068 Harbanger
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Steel always moves faster but with less impact..  they have tungsten rounds now that are denser than steel but have a similar impact as lead.  My favorite rifle and round is the old 30 06.  people moved away from it because of the recoil, but you can't beat it for distance and accuracy.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 02:23 | 3505075 LetThemEatRand
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-1 for small nor non-existent penis.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 02:28 | 3505078 Harbanger
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I'm ignoring you again.  I know that gets on your nerves.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 02:31 | 3505083 LetThemEatRand
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If you really want to drive me crazy,  you will never post again.  

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 05:16 | 3505171 enloe creek
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har and rand are the same person

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 11:33 | 3505470 sunnyside
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I just assumed they were married.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 20:44 | 3506608 Think for yourself
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dang, I wish my marriage was that harmonious

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 02:28 | 3505079 DoChenRollingBearing
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Tungsten rounds now, huh?  TWO things I learned today.  Re .30-06, about a year ago I went to the outdoor range in my city with a friend, he brought along his Savage .30-06.  I shot 10 rounds, the range offered stool seating and a table so I could brace the gun for better aim.  Problem was that the (light...) gun kicked like a bear (partly also because my body did not sway back (like when firing while standing)), owww.  Shoulder was sore that day and the next.

Guy at the gun store told me a heavier rifle also cuts felt recoil.  Still, a .30-06 is too big a gun for me, I would never practice 'cause it kicks so much.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 02:38 | 3505086 Harbanger
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You only need 1 shot with a good rifle.  We'll talk some other time.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 02:42 | 3505090 LetThemEatRand
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And size doesn't matter, correct?

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 13:22 | 3505672 PiratePawpaw
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30-06 is a good round, but yes the gun makes a lot of difference.

A few years a go a friend brought me a savage bolt action 30-06 to sight in. It almost tore my shoulder off before I got the scope zeroed.

I have an M-1 Garand that I can shoot all day. Same round, but the Garand is heavier and the semi-auto action uses some of the recoil.

Ballisticly, .308 Win is very close and has less recoil.

IMHO both are superior to .223/5.56 which has a fairly flat trajectory but little energy down range.

Just my 2 cents. take it or leave it.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 07:34 | 3505238 Winston Churchill
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Banned at all my local ranges.

Used to have a service FN.The rounds went thru' a fifteen foot  reinforced concrete

wall at 1000yds down range.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 09:56 | 3505339 hairball48
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Sat, 04/27/2013 - 11:05 | 3505434 A Lunatic
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........and STILL killed two deer which just happened to be standing on the other side. LOL!

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 13:30 | 3505682 JimBowie1958
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Yes, a high powered rifle can penetrate up to about 2' of concrete, depending on the quality of the concrete and the type of round you use.

Local range I go to banned rifle firing for just this reason; too many holes put in his concrete walls.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 15:35 | 3505898 stormsailor
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my .303 lee enfield mark iv using normal lead tipped will go through both sides of a 20 ft cinder-block building,  the hole coming out the back side of the building was about the size of my fist.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 14:46 | 3505815 Blano
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31.50 at my coin shop Fed.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 00:01 | 3504962 NYMom
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I love the spell check comments. Reading comment after comment, opening and reading links, scrolling, reading, reading, scrolling and pulling up on a one word correction comment - so freakin funny! Thanks Erg.

Sun, 04/28/2013 - 12:58 | 3507610 FEDbuster
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DCRB check again, I bought !K rounds of Wolf HP 7.62x39 from AIMSurplus for .32 cents a round delivered.  I saw what you said about indoor range, etc..., but that Wolf HP shoots great, hp helps make the 7.62 round be more effective (tumbles) and you can't beat the price for rifle ammo.   The nice thing about 30.06 is you can still find ammo at the same prices before the shortage.  Walmart had boxes for about $1/round with tax.  A good bolt action 30.06 will easily reach out and touch something at 600 yrds + (with practice and a good scope) which is double the effective range of .223 or 7.62.

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 23:06 | 3504893 AldousHuxley
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Mafia wives complaing about ethics of her husband's profession while wearing a fur coat as a stay at home mom with kids in private schools.


0.1% exists because 1% support them and top 5% give them credibility.

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 23:55 | 3504954 tip e. canoe
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excellent observation.   the ladies are egging on the boys behind the scenes with an varying amount of seduction & disgust.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 01:57 | 3505056 putaipan
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0.1% exists because 1% support them and top 5% give them credibility

quick google check sez- "yes he did say that first".

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 01:04 | 3504964 palmereldritch
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Matt Taibbi....Truth Hero!

(you decide....or you advise us, Matt )

On October 6th, 2008, he debated David Ray Griffin. You can decide for yourself who won the debate.

When I first contacted Matt Taibbi, my intention was not to post this correspondence online. However, I believe it has since become worthy of publishing. I apologize to David Ray Griffin for how he was portrayed in this correspondence. My intention was to be able to talk to Matt on my own terms, and not have him look at me and the cause of 9/11 justice through the David Ray Griffin filter. David and I are two different people. We each have our own problems with the official account. There is a portion of the correspondence that says “idiot.” That was me, speaking as I thought Matt Taibbi would speak considering his opinion of David Ray Griffin.

There are portions of this exchange that got heated, and things were said. My apologies to Matt if he was offended.
I hope that Matt will take a look at the information I provided for him, and I thank him for giving me the time of day.
I asked Matt for his permission to post this, and never heard from him.
Here is our correspondence that took place on Facebook:

November 7 – 8, 2010
Jon Gold: Hi Matt… I realize that you and the designated “leader” of the 9/11 Truth Movement, David Griffin, disagree. However, you must know there are a multitude of problems with the official account of 9/11, with the investigations of 9/11, with the unanswered questions of 9/11, etc… and so on. Why can’t you just write about that?

Matt Taibbi: Sir, To quote H.L. Mencken: You may be right. Sincerely, Matt Taibbi
Jon Gold: Matt… I’m seriously trying to reach out to you. Obviously, if I can “turn” someone who was against 9/11 Truth, FOR 9/11 Truth… at the very least, recognizing what I said, then that would be good for this extremely important cause… would you be willing to at least do that much? Just state (not verbatim obviously) that “even though David Ray Griffin is an idiot, I do think there are serious issues with the official account, with the investigations, and with the unanswered questions, and I feel the families seeking justice (which includes the Jersey Girls) deserve said justice.” Or something like that…
Matt Taibbi: Jon, And I’m seriously answering you: good luck with your movement. I have no interest in arguing with you. You are entitled to your beliefs. Please offer me the same respect. Sincerely, Matt T
Jon Gold: Wasn’t trying to argue with you. Was at least trying to get you to acknowledge there is more to the story than what David Ray Griffin has to say.
Matt Taibbi: Jon, No, there isn’t. It’s all equally retarded. But, you’re entitled to enjoy such diversions. Sincerely, Matt T
Jon Gold: I see. Ok. Well, at least you don’t let your bias cloud your judgement.
Matt Taibbi: The entire concept of 9/11 Truth is ridiculous and people like you are being hoodwinked by third-rate con-artists like Griffin, who do this for a living. I wonder that none of you seem to notice that all of the country’s best reporters and best investigators equally think that 9/11 Truth is a joke — people like Seymour Hersh and Wayne Barrett and Lawrence Wright — while the leading writers in your movement all have histories writing, commercially, about other conspiracy theories. If it wasn’t 9/11, it’d be Oklahoma City or the moon landing or JFK. You’re being had, don’t you get it?
Jon Gold: Lucky for me Matt, I wasn’t turned onto this cause by David Ray Griffin or any other “third-rate con-artist.” I came into this all on my own 8+ years ago, and have been working hard for it ever since. I have noticed that the “country’s best reporters and best investigators” have ignored asking ANY hard questions of 9/11. Which, is part of the reason I was trying to reach out to you. The “media” in this country have focused specifically on people like David Ray Griffin and the con-artists to illegitimize this EXTREMELY legitimate issue. But, since you see it as “retarded” (which tells me you really don’t know jack shit about this issue), I won’t “reach out” to you anymore.
Months later… after he wrote this, I decided to challenge Matt Taibbi to a debate.

March 19 – 21, 2011
Jon Gold
: Would you like to have a real debate on whether or not we have been told the truth about 9/11, and if there needs to be justice and accountability for what happened that day? A real debate on a podcast. Let me know.

Matt Taibbi: Tell you what — you come up with one piece of real evidence that the US had something to do with planning 9/11, and I’ll consider it.
But if you’re going to conflate holes in the official story with evidence of US involvement, that tells me you’re not an intellectually serious person, and I’ll pass. Of course we’ve been lied to about 9/11. Governments lie about everything. But that’s a long way from complicity in the attacks.
Jon Gold: The request for a debate had nothing to do with whether or not the “US had something to do with planning 9/11.” I repeat, my request for a debate revolves around “whether or not we have been told the truth about 9/11, and if there needs to be justice and accountability for what happened that day.” You say, “of course we’ve been lied to about 9/11.” Why that is acceptable to you, I don’t understand. I’m assuming it’s acceptable to you because you’ve done NOTHING to get to the truth and/or justice for what happened that day. At least so far as I can see. Should there be real justice and accountability for what happened?
Did you see this latest effort put forward by the September Eleventh Advocates (The Jersey Girls) and 9/11 Whistleblower Sibel Edmonds?
9/11 Family Members Demand Answers from the 9/11 Commission: The Censored Testimony of FBI’s Behrooz Sarshar
The FBI “Kamikaze Pilots” Case
Does that show the “US had something to do with planning 9/11?” No. Is it another example of too many to count that justice and accountability for what happened must be demanded by all? Yes.
If you want to learn about why people like me do what we do, I suggest all of the following:
Jon Gold’s Official 9/11 Justice Start Up Kit

Matt Taibbi: The fact that the government failed to prevent a terrorist attack through incompetence and, on some level, corruption, is simply not high on my list of outrages, at least not compared to other things that have gone on.
It is a very different thing than causing the attacks to happen, or being part of their planning, which is what the 9/11 Truth movement continually asserts. Moreover, it continually does so in a supremely intellectually dishonest way, charging complicity and then retreating into these nebulous calls for answers to questions about the official story, when asked to produce evidence of said complicity.
But I take it you are conceding that there is no evidence of US complicity in these attacks. Can you answer that question directly?
Jon Gold: 9/11 was a crime, and elements within our Government and others have MORE THAN EARNED the title of suspect for that crime. That’s how I answer your question of complicity.
But hey Matt… thanks for admitting that “of course we’ve been lied to about 9/11.” I’ll remember that the next time you take a shot at the only movement that has been supportive of the families seeking justice, and the 9/11 First Responders seeking health care.
Matt Taibbi: Again, I would be completely on board with calls for more investigation into the official story, if the movement would only stop with these childish insinuations that Bush and Cheney were somehow behind 9/11. It’s asinine and an incredible distraction.
Moreover the government’s failure in 9/11 was, comparatively speaking, a rather small-scale screwup, compared to its intentional invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan and its failure to police Wall Street. I’m with Noam Chomsky on this one. If you’re looking down the list of US Government outrages, 9/11 doesn’t crack the top 100.
Jon Gold: Childish insinuations? I don’t think it’s childish at all to point to suspects of a crime. Especially when there is MORE THAN ENOUGH reason to think so. What I think is childish is a no talent journalist who has no idea what he’s talking about attacking a movement that represents a cause he knows nothing about. I think it’s cowardly, immature, and irresponsible. For a “journalist.” Please.
Matt Taibbi: Exactly how are they suspects in this crime? Again, show me the evidence linking anyone in the US government to this crime. There is none; you admitted this yourself.

EDIT: From Matt's article, the first few lines:

Conspiracy theorists of the world, believers in the hidden hands of the Rothschilds and the Masons and the Illuminati, we skeptics owe you an apology. You were right. The players may be a little different, but your basic premise is correct: The world is a rigged game.

Nothing like back-tracking patronage, self-serving irony, disingenuous sarcasm  and smug dismissal in the first three sentences of an article about crimes in plain view, to let you know where truth and exposition in journalism is headed (and monetized ) these days...

Please elaborate Matt: How are the players different? And how has your sense of discernment improved or worsened?

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 01:52 | 3505047 DavidPierre
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9-11 Is the Litmus Test for any writer....

.... including Mighty Matt !

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 04:27 | 3505145 JOYFUL
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I remember a couple of years back, my(tax lawyer!)brother sending me a link to a 'zerohedge' piece by the 'mighty matt'!!! Kewlll that...!!...I thought, at the time...who'da known???

Does that mean me bro bought himself a ticket outta media-mafia jail? Or that he clued into 9-11, bought up some precious metals, stopped believing in 'the authorities' or started bein 'deeply concerned' about the futures of himself and his family, in a serious, proactive way???

Nope. Simply meant that the bro got himself a 'reality vaccination'...jist that little bit of truth n awareness what causes a soul to say "hey! now I am aware and prepared...for the coming crisis..."

call it pseudo-survival-instinct - or disinfo custom tailored for every level of society and educated class...if you like.

I call it DopeyDeathWishoftheWesternWorld....brought to you by a cast of well-meanin 'gatekeepers'

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 07:48 | 3505242 clymer
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Yeah, Matt always confused me with this stance. Stating that,
"the government’s failure in 9/11 was, comparatively speaking, a rather small-scale screwup, compared to its intentional invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan and its failure to police Wall Street," and not constructing the geometrical pattern that 9-11 needed to be a precursor to these events in order to mobilize public and congressional opinion - not to mention the overwhelming evidence surrounding bld 7 (shit - even NIST had to reverse their concocted story about diesel tanks, and go with the "office fires" line) is ..irresponsible. Sorry, Matt. You are, and forever will be wrong on this issue. I suspect you are simply smart enough to recognize that coming out as a truther is a one-way ticket out of Rolling Stone. All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. 


Then again, when the FED was created, the line was that it would protect the people from evil bankers. Maybe articles like this will reenforce the same thought process when it comes to replacing the dollar with a new world reserve currency.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 08:26 | 3505261 Ace Ventura
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"I suspect you are simply smart enough to recognize that coming out as a truther is a one-way ticket out of Rolling Stone."

BINGO.  +100 

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 09:46 | 3505325 DaveyJones
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exactly. taibi taboo

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 12:58 | 3505630 Lost Word
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Being a Truther a one-way ticket out of anything that the Establishment controls.

Unfortunately the Beast is all-powerful.

Wish there were some Billionaires that were Truthers.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 15:12 | 3505853 Kelley
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All of you 911 Truthers are crazier than a homeless person on crack.

Taibbi just laid it out so that almost anyone can understand the depth of the corruption in the banking world. But you dismiss his efforts to expose the bankers because he doesn't buy your crackpot belief that the US was in on 9/11??

Try to get it though your pea brain, there is more than one set of bad guys in the world. The greedy bankers and the muirdrous Islamists are the antithesis of each other. The bankers want t-bone steaks, fine wine, art museums, opera, and a penthouse view of Central Park.

The Islamist want to blow all of that to smithereens.

Use your head! 


Sat, 04/27/2013 - 15:24 | 3505873 DavidPierre
Sat, 04/27/2013 - 15:25 | 3505881 FeralSerf
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<== Goyim votes
<== Jooze votes

How much do you get paid for your disinfo posts? Or are you just doing ADL volunteer work for B'nai B'rith and the criminal Jooze bankster overlords?

While you're busy answering, maybe you could also tell us why you Jooze have been so industrious these last 11 years trying to convince the rest of the world you had nothing to do with 9-11? Doeth the lady protestest too much?

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 16:23 | 3506029 stormsailor
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maybe he is just picking his fights carefully.  how can one fight with all their courage, brains, might and strength if they fight all.  i believe it dilutes your efforts.  i am glad he does stand for this fight.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 20:02 | 3506531 willwork4food
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Your hubby busy protecting poppy plants in Afghanistan, or are you just a normal bubblehead?


Sat, 04/27/2013 - 04:19 | 3505139 Radical Marijuana
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palmereldritch, see my primary comment on Taibbi, in light of his article, as posted way back at the end of this thread, something like on page 6, or beyond now ... I agree with davidpierre that one's opinion regarding the 9/11 events is a litmus test.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 14:59 | 3505833 Kelley
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Sheesh, whoever this 911 Truther is - Ron Gold - who thinks he won the argument with Taibbi, he is about as delusional as one can get in more ways than one. The same is true for you, Palmer.

Conflating highway robbery with mass murder is simply nuts. Can a highway robber become a mass murderer? Yes. But does that mean banksters are Islamic terrorists?? If you answer, yes, in any form or permutation, please see a psychiatrist.

There can be more than one group of bad guys in this world. There are the thieves who run the financial world. Then there are the fanatic killers known as Islamists. They are not on the same team.

No, the US did not cooperate with the Islamists! Good God the sick thinking that pervades the 911 truthers seems to know no depths.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 17:07 | 3506177 Herd Redirectio...
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So then I take it you never read 1984, where Winston thinks he is joining Emmanuel Goldstein's rebellion, which is really just an entrapment operation by Big Brother?   Goldstein never existed, or at the very least, he was used as a messiah/boogeyman figure by Big Brother.

Read up a little on entrapment, counterintelligence, disinformation and false flag operations and get back to me.

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 22:56 | 3504877 kushmere
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The idiocy of the European Financial Fascists was a huge driver for Bitcoin. If this trend continues, more will flock towards alternative currencies.

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 23:23 | 3504915 Ignatius
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Deep thoughts, well constructed.  

I will spend some time working through some of the finer points, but you're spot on about gold and the overall construct.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 01:45 | 3505036 DoChenRollingBearing
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TSP planks wrote a great piece, that I read again and have just printed out.

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 23:28 | 3504920 Jam Akin
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TwoShortPlanks:  Thanks so much for linking back to your earlier posts.  I'd missed them previously.  Great big picture analysis.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 08:02 | 3505245 i-dog
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I missed it, too. Very clear and I can only disagree on minor details ... eg: Don't confuse "families" (which generally dissipate wealth over generations) with a "race" (which concentrates wealth over generations, as individual families come and go), that is very well hidden and travels in many disguises (hint: it's not the Jews, it's much older than them) ...that is "The Club" of which George Carlin spoke (whether knowingly, or not).

Also note that Taibbi is the 3rd prominent gatekeeper to "throw down a penalty flag" in the past few days - allegedly exposing the rampant corruption in the US government and banking. There is another agenda in play here ... and there will be more such "exposures" in the weeks ahead, though none will name those who must not be named: the Khazarian-Ashkenazi-Jesuit "Club".

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 17:10 | 3506185 Herd Redirectio...
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City of London, Vatican, Washington, New York, with significant influence in Germany and China.  In control of both the intelligence agencies and the capital markets/fiat currency...

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 23:50 | 3504949 tip e. canoe
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thanks for linking back.   awesome visualization.  

p.s  me thinks about Kubrick all the time now.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 10:37 | 3505382 machineh
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When me droogs finally resort to ultraviolence, it's gonna be real horrorshow.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 00:30 | 3504984 palmereldritch
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Thanks for the re-post.

A handy thumbnail for future reference, consideration and distribution.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 00:31 | 3504985 NYMom
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Excellent! Two Short Planks, thank you.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 03:22 | 3505109 S5936
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Nice work. Thx

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 06:51 | 3505221 Disenchanted
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@ TSP: Could it be that those such as the Rothschilds are only 'administrators' for what you call the "Custodians." I've always thought that names that are out there in the public domain aren't the real powers, it's the names we don't know that are...if 'they' even have names.


Sat, 04/27/2013 - 17:14 | 3506193 Herd Redirectio...
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Maybe, but they would have had to 'pool' fortunes with the Rothschilds very early on for that to have happened.  And the Rothschilds were pretty infamous for intermarrying, so that would still be the first place to look.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 07:33 | 3505235 BigJim
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Hey TwoShortPlanks, nice post. Maybe this'll help you/us fill in a few blanks:

edit - Hey Tyler, have you seen this? Bit of an eye-opener... and in the MSM, what's more.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 09:54 | 3505335 nmewn
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Great read, thanks for the link.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 16:22 | 3506028 DaveyJones
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(from the article) ", the super-entity may not result from conspiracy'

I noticed they used the word "may"

thanks for the link

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 08:51 | 3505275 michigan independant
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Close, on your other thread reference, it shaped into being for our current iteration in 1202 if you consider yourself Western, as I regard to date for simplicity here. As for conspiracy's as life moves ahead it is always in plain site. Other have told us before and dismissed as biased narratives.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 08:28 | 3505262 Coke and Hookers
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I laughed when I saw that. +1

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 11:33 | 3505474 Bunders
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HSBC laundered at least $15B mexican drug money from about $850B transactions not properly scrutinised, paid $1.9B fine to the US Government, not to Mexicans According to SEC Filings the main share holder in HSBC owns about 6% and took about $500M in dividends in 2012. No arrests. Nothing is real, all is permissible and everything is only worth what you can get other people to do for it. If you can make it illegal you can name your price. If you have a look at HSBC's history you'll see that they were established in Hong Kong by a Scotsman after the opium wars to profit from narcotics trade. I suspect little has changed since then. As to the motives of these powerful people? The same as any other powerful people, protectionism. With great power comes great responsibility and who, other than the Bhudda has been wise enough to recognise that the most responsible thing to do with great power is dissolve it? TBTF, it's for your own good.

"You're probably wondering why your pension went away, well Suzie, the culprit isn't foreigners, it's recession" You get the idea, swap ice cube for QE.

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 22:27 | 3504793 Offthebeach
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I'm willing to sell out. I've fix-a-flatted the vans tires, put a deposit on insurance, got legit plates, a valid rejection sticker, two milk crates of can goods from the church pantry and am ready and willing to pull up stakes from my slice of hobo heaven down by this river and drive to my new overlords.

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 22:53 | 3504860 disabledvet
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New York, Chicago, Atlanta, LA...take your pick. or..."take your pick axe and get in the game." that would be Anchorage, Yellowknife, Lima, "that place in Mexico." don't forget your guns and ammo. LOTS of ammo.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 01:52 | 3505051 putaipan
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they won't. and fullfilment of it is one of ther highest vows. beat you to it! you lose. we win.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 11:24 | 3505457 optionsman
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the length and the effort being spent by all in the game to maintain the illusion of competitive practices in various markets is truly incredible. starting with how the small groups of these traders are eleveted and fenced off internally and how smaller fish is fried every day for little unintentional mistakes (eg trade errors) in order to maintain the appearance of the few as high priests of markets. everyone knows the issues in the equities markets but when it comes to bond markets the transparency drops dramatically. most of the bond transactions are not flowing through publicly accessible databases real time or at all. a lot of these trades are "voice" ie a trader is calling around and negotiates the level at which some trade will be executed over the phone. bond traders laugh when someone attempts to measure how good is their execution. some of the trades do flow through a system but it is also controlled by major banks and the trades that show up there are small in size and not representative of a realistic bond trade in a typical size. take a look at investment grade corporate bond market, high yield corp bond market, emerging bond market and certainly the muni market.

just saying......

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 22:15 | 3504766 jal
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I finally got it ....

The rulers have always controlled ... since the beginning of time.

The free market only exist in the matrix.

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 22:27 | 3504801 TwoShortPlanks
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The major turning point was the Napoleonic War. He pissed them off so much the vowed never to come out from the shadows and to always puppeteer through proxies.

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 22:44 | 3504828 otto skorzeny
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hitler pissed them off also by not going through the international banking cabal to rebuild Germany after the Weimar inflation debacle-but he was quickly eliminated and the mythology of his and Germany's anti-semitism was built up via the MSM.

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 22:51 | 3504864 disabledvet
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I thought the problem with the MSM is that they secretly admired Hitler and wanted to be him.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 14:30 | 3505775 TheDarkKnight
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+1 , and whoever junked that comment clearly knows nothing of actual history 

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 22:36 | 3504816 Mactheknife
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Rothschild's vision set in motion throughout the world by his sons..two hundred years in the making...cemented in place with the formation of the Federal Reserve.  They own most of the world's central banks..their net worth is counted in the trillions and we will never know their names.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 04:28 | 3505146 Radical Marijuana
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Well, Mactheknife, I believe that was then ... but now the whole thing has turned into an ouroboros of incorporated robbery, that no human beings understand adequately anymore. The biggest banks may "own 60% of the economy," but over a hundred thousand government mandated funds own the majority of the biggest banks. The systems that were originally made and maintained by the biggest banksters are now out of control ... There are no longer any groups of human beings which can regulate the global systems of electronic money, backed by atomic weapons.

The banksters did have a more effective steering committee of trillionaire mass murderers, not so long ago, and that sort of continues on the basis of established social habits and inertia, through various hybrid institutions which attempt to direct and manage world affairs. However, none of them are remotely close to being a match anymore for the monsters that they have originally created.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 10:36 | 3505346 Winston Churchill
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I agree totally.Entropy  is a bitch.

A client of mine and his brother control a worldwide fast food business

without any outsider being aware of it.Its supposedly a public company.

Family trusts own offshore shells that own the shares.

I've known them for many years, and they sure aren't part of some contolling cabal,

You will never see their names in any Forbes list either, they are the multi billionaires

that live next door.They do not live in the style they could easily afford.You would have

no clue unless you knew them well.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 10:42 | 3505386 machineh
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They do not live in the style they could easily afford.

A worthy lesson, even for non-billionaires!

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 00:21 | 3504974 Harbanger
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"I finally got it ...."

No you didn't,  a true free market cannot exist with a fractional reserve currency.  It requires sound money.

The modern welfare state could not have been created without a fractional reserve currecy. (The Fed)

The "old rulers" made these rules to expand the power of the state.  The free market is just an illusion if they can backstop the market by creating "new money" and investing it in whatever paper they choose.

Got it?! 


Sat, 04/27/2013 - 01:00 | 3505003 LetThemEatRand
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Got any ideas of your own?

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 01:13 | 3505013 jal
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You missed it.

There has never been a free market.

The markets have always been controled by the rulers.


Sat, 04/27/2013 - 03:32 | 3505112 Harbanger
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I know you want the idea to fit into the peg, but "always" and "never" is a long time dude.  Check your facts and fuck the "rulers".  If nothing else, the black market is a free market.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 11:31 | 3505468 optionsman
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black market is usually "allowed" to exist because of the payoffs it produces to those who permit it to exist. as a result there is appearance of competition in the black market and perhaps it does exist but i would submit it exists only for a short period of time until collusion is discovered as an easier way.....

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 00:25 | 3504589 Ag Tex
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Secrecy is their law.  Lies are their high walls.


"A rich man's wealth is his strong city, and like a high wall in his own imagination."  Proverbs 18:11

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 08:18 | 3505259 Ghostbusters
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Taibbi has certainly gone full tard as in 'tardy' and on GS too, vampire squid, please spare me the same apologist bs...Taibbi was the first to write about banking corruption and collusion?  lipservice.  It is merely more of the same MSM window-dressing for the 'conspiracy' crowd.  One year after LIBOR he pens an article and slides in the new ISDA market-rigging as if he is doing us a favor. Where is the evidence inciting indictment?  He knows just like his owners that nothing will come of it.  Might Matt get off his knees and take a break from Jann Wenner's 8======@~ and their establishment, pop(ular) culture pushing 'progressive' propaganda(ala Travolta), then he could get into some real journalism which is fact finding and reporting, rather than the regurgitation of misleading facts.  The Simpson's video is more infomative than his musings. For the 'progressives' and ignorant conservatives reading his work however, it'll surely seem like quite the populist piece for those who are patiently waiting to be told where to place their anger.  What'll it be peaceful Muslims, peace-loving libertarians, banks, 'terrorists,' or tomorrow's scapegoat?  The comment section of ZH on a sub-par day blows Taibbi's reporting out of the water.  Give me a break.  This game is millenia in the making and Taibbi is simply complicit although his pretty words do fool some.  Let's keep our eyes on the prize...the following is well known to those regulars here but it should go to show Taibbi that he's a few decades pirates = vampire squid, etc. red shields, secret societies and all that. Great, now F*%k apologies, name names, and show some integrity. 

"Some people think the Federal Reserve banks are United States Government institutions. They are not Government institutions. They are private credit monopolies which prey upon the people of the United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers; foreign and domestic speculators and swindlers; and rich and predatory money lenders. In that dark crew of financial pirates there are those who would cut a man's throat to get a dollar out of his pocket; there are those who send money into States to buy votes to control our legislation; and there are those who maintain international propaganda for the purpose of deceiving us and of wheedling us into the granting of new concessions which will permit them to cover up their past misdeeds and set again in motion their gigantic train of crime." Louis T. McFadden 10 June 1932 to the Congress of the USA and oh yeah, he died a premature death....

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 10:50 | 3505395 machineh
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Federal Reserve banks are ... are private credit monopolies.

Precisely. Collusion is why the Fed cartel was created. It's what they DO.

Suing banks achieves nothing unless the cartel is closed.

That is, instead of nominating Janet Yellen to replace Bernanke, one sends her and her PhD Moron colleagues HOME, with instructions to get an honest job for a change.

Failing that, it's just SSDD, as far as the pyramid eye can see ...

Wed, 05/08/2013 - 22:30 | 3543423 fiatmasochist
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True fight club spirit

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 20:48 | 3504519 toys for tits
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It appears that banks manipulate everything but my dick - I still have to do that myself.

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 21:10 | 3504593 RafterManFMJ
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If they could short it somehow, they would.

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 21:36 | 3504659 toys for tits
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Too late.

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 21:30 | 3504597 Dr Benway
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They'll happily screw you though.

Great article by Taibbi. When you let one price be manipulated, all prices will be.

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 23:14 | 3504904 disabledvet
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hmmm. prices eh? i recommend this video be seen by all. nobody "sets" a price. there's always an offer of course. hmmm. "price discovery in under one minute." or how about this scene: "this place has everything." of course i don't want people to think there isn't a consequence for such behavior: this is still my favorite scene though: "you'd better think" gold bugs. who the hell doesn't want to be "long into the weekend in gold"? you don't want me to answer that for you. you really don't.

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 23:12 | 3504902 mess nonster
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if you've jacked off to even one internet porn site, they're manipulating your dick too.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 10:49 | 3505400 machineh
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I thought those sluts looked bank tellers, making a little money on the side!

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 20:48 | 3504521 uno
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Matt, did you stop drinking your flouride water and take a break from your GMOs, you seem to waking up.

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 21:04 | 3504574 pods
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You are aware that he popularized the term "Vampire Squid" correct?


Fri, 04/26/2013 - 21:15 | 3504601 uno
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"commodities like gold and silver, even interest rates and the value of money itself, can be and may already have been dictated from above."

I know Matt has been around for a while and respect him, but now he is figuring out the entire system is a fraud and manipulated by a few.  That is what I meant, so many of us awoke to this years ago.

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 21:25 | 3504624 margaris
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Do you blame him for wanting to investigate and find clear evidence first, instead of just wildly suspecting something is up?

He's the best investigator of financial crime I know of.

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 21:40 | 3504675 cossack55
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Would love to see him team up with William Black.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 22:15 | 3506788 ajax
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@cossack55  They have already teamned up:


This appearance of Taibbi flogging "Griftopia" is excellent as well:


And on Bill Moyers with Yves Smith:


None of you wankers dissing Taibbi on this thread are capable of doing what he does either in print or before a tv camera.


Fri, 04/26/2013 - 21:43 | 3504684 kliguy38
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Of course he's the best investigator because the others are all dead or their families are in hiding......If he really wanted to expose them then start naming the trillionaire families that rule the world......betcha don't see that one.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 00:00 | 3504959 JOYFUL
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Cruel; but true...the pattern is too long established to deny anymore...those who's writings get to close to the bullseye...go byebye -while those who can provide a measure of distraction, deflection, and delay to those whose sincere wish be to sniff out the trail of the true 'rustlers' -are allowed to continue to weave their tapestry of tamed-down 'journalistic investigation'...and stay healthy.

Journalists were the original targets of the now infamous two bullet suicides that became all the rage in the 80\90s\\Gary Webb, Danny Casolaro*...and those who didn't go out that way were thrown in prison\\the Springmeiers, Coopers, etc, or 'chemically' killed...Chris Story...the list goes on and on...

victims of the Secret State which has ruled ascendant over the West since the end of the "Second World War" - ANOTHER phony war...for pointing out the cause(and cabbalist creators of)of which, a certain Captain Archibald Maule Ramsay -2nd Battalion Coldstream Guards in the FirstWorld War until he was severely wounded in 1916 - thereafter at Regimental H.Q. and the War Office -from 1920 he became a Member of H.M. Scottish Bodyguard, then elected Member of Parliament for Midlothian and Peeblesshire...typical wingnut conspiracy theorist in other words!!!....was on 23rd May, 1940, detained, without charge or trial, in a cell in Brixton Prison until the 26th September, 1944! After which he resumed his seat in the House of Commons!!!!! His book, The Nameless War, masterfully detailed and exposed the machinations of the age-old Messianic dream of International Revolutionary Sionism...

the penalties for so doing I have detailed above/as well as the names of some of the fallen heroes of our sadly aborted efforts to remove the sio-nazi conspirators from our midst. They are the ones to reserve your praise for...not the gatekeepers of a simulated syncophantic press which works to maintain the ascendancy of those criminals.


Sat, 04/27/2013 - 06:12 | 3505198 Disenchanted
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re: "and those who didn't go out that way were thrown in prison\\the Springmeiers, Coopers"


Just a small point...If you're referring to William 'Bill' Cooper(Behold A Pale Horse), he was shot to death near his home in AZ by LEOs a couple of months after 9/11. November 2001 if I remember correctly.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 10:14 | 3505359 JOYFUL
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thanks...that's a "big" I did not know that.

What I do know however, is that sites with good info are getting run offa the net, runover with .gov sock puppets, run down with phony lawsuits or a slew of other tactics that are part and parcel of a concerted effort to embargo ALL real information...likewise the removal of pre-existing information from sites like Homeland Security which gave away the game without their knowing...every damn thing is being back-plowed as we speak!

Truth be told, voices such as  "George Washington" simply could not ever come to the point of naming names and exposing the games...without paying a similar penalty. Shutdown. So, the comments sections of forums such as this now actually outweigh in importance any other portion of the media.

Forums such as ZH provides are literally the last lights on in the house...and are on the list for extinction too! It's gettin spooky.

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 21:24 | 3504629 pods
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Well my gut feeling is that when he is alone at night he can admit what we all know. But his job is probably more political than anything else.

I would not want to try and walk that line.  I can say whatever I want, and never have to answer to anyone but y'all and the Tylers.

It would be tough as hell if you had to not only connect with people who aren't firing on all cylinders (majority of Rolling Stone readers), but also having to worry about who might pick up the phone and call your editor, or the CEO and have some choice words.  I think that Matt tries to show the masses the problems without nailing people to the wall.  It might be him, might be someone holding his leash, idk.

Let's just hope that the pageviews generated help to solidify his footing there so we can see more.



Fri, 04/26/2013 - 21:33 | 3504649 uno
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very well put

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 21:44 | 3504692 Totentänzerlied
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So he's a gatekeeper. He shakes his bag of breadcrumbs for the ignorant to follow, but ultimately leads them nowhere useful. All published by a mainstream propaganda organ par excellence. What else is new.

Call me a sycophant, but the Tylers do more to expose and document financial and economic (and political) events in a week than this guy has done in his life.

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 21:48 | 3504701 fonzannoon
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I read the article earlier today and was initally dismissive of it because I have become so jaded. Pods is right. The author is just putting it all out there and leaving it up to his audience to make up their minds. He did his job. You can't fix stupid.

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Fri, 04/26/2013 - 22:45 | 3504841 Seer
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Everyone's a gatekeeper of some sorts.

Maybe he thinks that he's doing something good.  At the very least, I'm sure, it's a job that allows him to eat.  I'll take his reporting over almost all of the folks who just plain fucking yak their gums: believe none of what you hear and only half of what you read.

Most of the stuff on ZH is published by non-Tylers.  No slam on the Tylers, just facts (and I'm thankful that they put their time in on ZH).  We'll likely never know what kind of kool-aid we have been drinking...

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 04:48 | 3505157 JOYFUL
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Everyone's a gatekeeper of some sorts. Mythbusters on call!

Ultimate Orwellian-speak. Give up...resistance is futile...nothin but spies\lies\n alibis out there in the night!  Sorry, this guy's not buy-in the sea of media mendacity in which we are all forced to swim, a discerning mind, and the will to attach oneself to the remaining 'flotsam and jetsam' of truth, are required...of those who will ulitimately weather the storm, and swim to safety on that fine morn when the sun shines once agin pon the western lands.

Most of the stuff on ZH is published by ZH...which gives a carefully selected platform to 'non-Tylers' with a view of life that contradicts the prevailing winds of b.s.... and most dupes of the moneypower...indeed...think that they are 'doing something good''s a tired n time-honored tradition now. I'll take no reporting over the reports of those who report to those others who wish us only harm.

There are no 'gates'...and therefore, no 'gatekeepers'.... for those of us who have broken free of the fence which surrounds the gulagistan being built with your tax dollars and mental docility in the west....

we roam the wild steppes on the fringes of the un-tamed freedoms of the forebears... awaitin your arrival as spear-bearin brothers in the fight to re-ignite the spark of truculent refusal to bow before any tyrant or ideology!

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 17:43 | 3506286 Herd Redirectio...
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IMO, we are allowed to talk about this stuff.

When you can prove it though...  "Shit just got real"

So while I do wish people like Jon Stewart and Taibbi would go the next step I do understand the reason why a 'source' can't just give them proof of something, and they go on the air "Here's the proof".

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 21:51 | 3504703 Dr. Venkman
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Or he has found his niche. Who knows what he really thinks?

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 13:20 | 3505664 Lost Word
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Sometimes the Truth is intentionally hidden in obscure places, when the Truth is forbidden in open places.

Sat, 04/27/2013 - 17:45 | 3506293 Herd Redirectio...
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The only person who was allowed to speak his mind in a royal court was the Court Jester!  So that should tell you something.  Because it was assumed everything he said was witty, and a joke, so if he criticized his royal majesy

"Oh the wit!  And the balls to say that!"

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