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At $72.8 Trillion, Presenting The Bank With The Biggest Derivative Exposure In The World (Hint: Not JPMorgan)

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Moments ago the market jeered the announcement of DB's 10% equity dilution, promptly followed by cheering its early earnings announcement which was a "beat" on the topline, despite some weakness in sales and trading and an increase in bad debt provisions (which at €354MM on total loans of €399.9 BN net of a tiny €4.863 BN in loan loss allowance will have to go higher. Much higher). Ironically both events are complete noise in the grand scheme of things. Because something far more interesting can be found on page 87 of the company's 2012 financial report.

The thing in question is the company's self-reported total gross notional derivative exposure.

And while the vast majority of readers may be left with the impression that JPMorgan's mindboggling $69.5 trillion in gross notional derivative exposure as of Q4 2012 may be the largest in the world, they would be surprised to learn that that is not the case. In fact, the bank with the single largest derivative exposure is not located in the US at all, but in the heart of Europe, and its name, as some may have guessed by now, is Deutsche Bank.

The amount in question? €55,605,039,000,000. Which, converted into USD at the current EURUSD exchange rate amounts to $72,842,601,090,000....  Or roughly $2 trillion more than JPMorgan's.

The good news for Deutsche Bank's accountants and shareholders, and for Germany's spinmasters, is that through the magic of netting, this number collapses into €776.7 billion in positive market value exposure (assets), and €756.4 billion in negative market value exposure (liabilities), both of which are the single largest asset and liability line item in the firm's €2 trillion balance sheet mind you, and subsequently collapses even further into a "tidy little package" number of just €20.3. 

Of course, this works in theory, however in practice the theory falls apart the second there is discontinuity in the collateral chain as we have shown repeatedly in thh past, and not only does the €20.3 billion number promptly cease to represent anything real, but the netted derivative exposure even promptlier become the gross number, somewhere north of $70 trillion.

Which, of course, is the primary reason why Germany, theatrically kicking and screaming for the past four years, has done everything in its power, even "yielding" to the ECB, to make sure there is no domino-like collapse of European banks, which would most certainly precipitate just the kind of collateral chain breakage and net-to-gross conversion that is what causes Anshu Jain, and every other bank CEO, to wake up drenched in sweat every night.

Finally, just to keep it all in perspective, below is a chart showing Germany's GDP compared to Deutsche Bank's total derivative exposure. If nothing else, it should make clear, once and for all, just who is truly calling the Mutually Assured Destruction shots in Europe.

But don't worry, this €56 trillion in exposure, should everything go really, really bad is backed by the more than equitable €575.2 billion in deposits, or just 100 times less. Of course, a slighly more aggresive than normal bail-in may be required in case DB itself has to followin the footsteps of Cyprus...

 


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Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:07 | Link to Comment FieldingMellish
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Wowzers!

 

(btw, your graphs say billions instead of trillions but I understand its all play money anyhow)

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:05 | Link to Comment Aeternus
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We are so fucked...........

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyklt01lN_I

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:10 | Link to Comment Ahmeexnal
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DB is one of those 99 red ballons running out of helium and flying right over a cactus patch.....

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:15 | Link to Comment JackT
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No..no..no. You just don't convert to USD and this didn't happen.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:15 | Link to Comment Ahmeexnal
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Uber Alles!!!

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:23 | Link to Comment Abraxas
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What's a few trillion among the friends.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:33 | Link to Comment Ahmeexnal
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As I expounded a few days ago, the douche sheeple are mesmerized with the UEFA champions league and are completely oblivious to news like this.
Expect a real SHTF after the UEFA cup finals late may in Wembley.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:35 | Link to Comment Abraxas
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A 10000 episode Spanish soap opera is scheduled to start at the end of UEFA cup, so the waking up of the sheeple will be postponed for another 146 years.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:46 | Link to Comment Stackers
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Bilateral netting FTW !!!

You pick me up, then I'll pick you up. As long as neither of us lets go, we should hover 150' off the ground just fine.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 15:01 | Link to Comment pods
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Huh?

<smokes fat doobie>

Oh yeah, that will work!  Pass the doritos.

pods

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 16:03 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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It's cartoon gravity rules. This is what allows Bugs Bunny to jump out of a freefalling elevator when it's a foot off the ground and escape injury.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 16:08 | Link to Comment SafelyGraze
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fortunately, the bar on the left represents the *notional* GDP, which is significantly larger than the *actual* GDP

 

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 16:14 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Keep strokin' the bishop... A big surprise awaits at the end...

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 18:29 | Link to Comment Manthong
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Take heart .. just two of our provincial too big to prosecute wise guys.. BOA and JPM..  together,  exceed our Teutonic good bud's phony books.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 15:28 | Link to Comment Bananamerican
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Bankers....industrious little termites ain't they?

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 17:19 | Link to Comment Colonel Klink
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Bankers....insidious little termites ain't they?

 

Fixed it for you.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 19:09 | Link to Comment BigJim
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 ...is what causes Anshu Jain, and every other bank CEO, to wake up drenched in sweat every night.

Silly Tyler! They wake up drenched in sweat from all the hookers and blow. 

LOL. Like THEY could care less about derivatives, nett (or gross). Their homeys at the CB's have got their backs, to infinity AND beyond. 

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 17:31 | Link to Comment nmewn
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They have the best accountants money can bribe.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 16:06 | Link to Comment CheapBastard
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I hate exposure...it's so....transparent.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:15 | Link to Comment quintago
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Counterparty risk? Nonsense....

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PozbCdtvixQ

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:23 | Link to Comment xtop23
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BOOM

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:42 | Link to Comment Cacete de Ouro
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$20.30 ...Just one yuppie foodstamp and 30 cents change.
Not bad in the collapsible world of notional derivative vortexes.

Even David Copperfield couldn't beat that illusion

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:46 | Link to Comment Cacete de Ouro
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Sorry, I thought you said $20.30...

Hold on, you did, well $20.3....

But point still stands...

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:14 | Link to Comment Divided States ...
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Now you know why Banks OWN the Government and not the other way around.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:15 | Link to Comment Sheeple Shepard
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And thats why he's richer than you.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 18:36 | Link to Comment knukles
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He didn't get that rich himself.

...maniacal laughter... you are oh so right about that one, dude, and you don't even know it...  and I don't mean you as in response, I mean you as the guy who'd originally said it and has no clue whatthefuck is going on...

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:21 | Link to Comment Freddie
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It realy sucks that JP Morgan-Chase-Rockefeller-Rothschild or Citi did not beat D Bank.   America needs to be #1 again.

USA USA USA! 

 

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:28 | Link to Comment Wakanda
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As I type, the boyz and girlz downtown are tweaking spreadsheets to retake the crown.

Yes We Can!

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:40 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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Without proper oversight or an ethical framework...

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:30 | Link to Comment reload
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In fact I bet a lot of the DB derivatives were created by team they got with the Morgan Grenfell aquisition - and MG most certainly were part of the Morgan family of banks.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:34 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Morgan boys with an English accent.  They are all Satan's spawn.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:45 | Link to Comment reload
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indeed - and guess what....once they got access to the DB ballance sheet, they multiplied themselves like fractional reserve bastards.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:36 | Link to Comment max2205
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Thank God they can raise $2,8 Billion to cover this.....oh wait....

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:19 | Link to Comment Stoploss
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Well, now we know why the share offering.

Im guessing more than a few loans went bad..

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 15:09 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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The money for the majority of shares will indirectly come from the FED.  Like I said, they have to keep monetizing the puppets in Euroland or they're finished.  German banks need bailouts just as much as the cyprus banks.  All the worlds keynesian welfare states are failing together.  That includes the US.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:18 | Link to Comment caribbeanbarry
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'80's pop reference.  Awesome...

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:33 | Link to Comment Freddie
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LOL!  I kinda of laughed and thought - oh a bullshit one hit wonder song translated from German to English that became a hit.  Well old Nena or who ever wrote the song may have nailed it.

Talks about war, destruction, jet fighters (or could be drones with O-muslim).  It talks about devastation - must be the Greece and Cyprus parts.

Maybe it is about a European war when the banks, euro and hopefully the EUSSR blow up.

Europe needs more lamp posts, rope and people with balls to put criminals in those nooses.  America sure as hell does not ahve people with those guts. 

"99 Red Balloons"   You and I, and a little toy shop
Buy a bag of balloons with the money (euros - fiat - bitcoins) we've got
Set them free at the break of dawn
'Til one by one, they were gone

Back at base, bugs in the software
Flash the message, "Some thing's out there"
Floating in the summer sky
Ninety-nine red balloons go by

Ninety-nine red balloons
Floating in the summer sky
Panic lads, it's a red alert
There's something here from somewhere else

The war machine springs to life
Opens up one eager eye
Focusing it on the sky
Ninety-nine red balloons go by

Ninety-nine Decision Street
Ninety-nine ministers meet
To worry, worry, super-scurry
Call the troops out in a hurry

This is what we've waiting for
This is it boys, this is war
The President is on the line
As ninety-nine red balloons go by

Ninety-nine knights of the air
Riding super high-tech jet fighters
Everyone's a super hero
Everyone's a Captain Kirk

With orders to identify, to clarify and classify (rehypothicate)
Scrambling in the summer sky
As ninety-nine red balloons go by
Ninety-nine red balloons go by

Ninety-nine dreams I have had
Every one a red balloon
Now it's all over and I'm standin' pretty
In this dust that was a city

If I could find a souvenir
Just to prove the world was here
And here is a red balloon
I think of you and let it go

 

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:46 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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"if looks could kill they proably will." it's easy to look at something and say "that guy did that" but in fact it could be just an algorithm "and nobody's the wiser." tough to do with poetry though...by definition "it doesn't make sense." thanks fer sharin'....

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 17:11 | Link to Comment noless
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99 Düsenjäger
Jeder war ein großer Krieger
Hielten sich für Captain Kirk
Das gab ein großes Feuerwerk
Die Nachbarn haben nichts gerafft
Und fühlten sich gleich angemacht
Dabei schoss man am Horizont
Auf 99 Luftballons

99 Kriegsminister -
Streichholz und Benzinkanister -
Hielten sich für schlaue Leute
Witterten schon fette Beute
Riefen Krieg und wollten Macht
Mann, wer hätte das gedacht
Dass es einmal soweit kommt
Wegen 99 Luftballons

 

rough translation(my german is shitty and google translate is a bitch with lyrics apparently)

 

the captain kirk part you got but, but the second part is: the neighbors have reaped nothing, so feel yourself made equal all because of 99 little balloons.

 

next verse:

 

99 ministers of war, with matches and gas canisters, hail to the clever people(sarcastic), whove caught wind of a fat catch, they called for war and wanted power, man who would have thought, all because of 99 little ballons.

 

wish i had the one i worked out before, sounded way better, and was a more direct translation.

 

they had to clean it up for americans. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lur-SGl3uw8

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 17:47 | Link to Comment Freddie
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99 ministers of war, with matches and gas canisters, hail to the clever people(sarcastic), whove caught wind of a fat catch, they called for war and wanted power,

For a pop song this was suprisingly good.  This was circa 1980. Boy Europe has really been F over since 1980.

Just change it to 99 EU(SSR) ministers with the banksters who want to F over all Europeans. . Hail to the banksters with their fiat and derivatives.

 

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 15:23 | Link to Comment Jorgen
Mon, 04/29/2013 - 15:17 | Link to Comment steelhead23
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Seens like just a couple years ago Reggie Middleton was drawing a bullseye on DB, but only a few paid him any attention as zombie banks may be dead on paper, but the people of Cyprus and others have been enslaved to ensure those derivatives remain money good.  Heck, DB is up 4.6% on the day as I write this.  Go figure.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:25 | Link to Comment Longtermnotreally
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Deutsche Bank über alles, especially when it comes to collapse potential

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:30 | Link to Comment Freddie
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99 Red Euros float buy.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 16:27 | Link to Comment THECOMINGDEPRESSION
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I think its an accounting "error", "mistake", "misplacement".. Its actually probaby MUCH bigger then that..

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 21:54 | Link to Comment Spigot
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How did you get to 'we', grasshopper?

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:09 | Link to Comment SilverIsKing
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The trillions graph is still at the printer.  There's a backlog due to another customer print order.  Customer name is Bernanke.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:22 | Link to Comment trollin4sukrz
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A trillion here and a trillion there.. before you know it-it adds up to some real money..

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:27 | Link to Comment williambanzai7
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MODERN WAR

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:36 | Link to Comment PiratePawpaw
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What could go wrong?.........

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:48 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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The word "everything"'comes to mind. Of course "if it's just a game"...in the wrong hands it could...

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:51 | Link to Comment williambanzai7
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DEUTSCHE BANK HQ

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 15:35 | Link to Comment Not Too Important
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I'll bet Bill Gross will have this framed and hung in his panic room, with full stocked bar, exercise bike and Au stash.

What could possibly be going through his mind? So close to this evil, yet seemingly not of it.

I know Kyle would like to short DB, but who would be left to pay out when it hit?

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 14:46 | Link to Comment Wolferl
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Kriegsführung.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:28 | Link to Comment B2u
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Time for the macarena dance...

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:35 | Link to Comment Olephant
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The confusion probably comes from the fact that Germans use the word Milliarden instead of Billion and the word Billionen translates to Trillion in English.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:44 | Link to Comment prains
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the big red dildo of pain just keeps getting bigger and one day somebody will have to bend over and pay the bill, sure hope its dick cheney, he could sure use a good "moral cleansing"

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 16:07 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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Dick Cheney is such an evil fuck that he'd take it all without grimacing, laugh, and say, "is that all you've got?"

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 16:36 | Link to Comment ParkAveFlasher
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You're both wrong, all of Dick Cheney's digestive orifaces were plugged with tungsten plating decades ago. 

That which does not eat earthly food, needs no earthly holes.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 15:01 | Link to Comment azzhatter
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yeah, but how much in the NWO currency TPTB are planning to issue?

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 16:40 | Link to Comment IdiocracyIsAlre...
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Calling it play money would be generous as it doesn't exist in any form but 1s and 0s.  As much as commenters complain about the "printing presses" printed paper fiat would actually be an improvement as it would at least exist in some sort of physical form.  That is why I am thinking the sane thing would be to just let it all be wiped out - would it really create any real lasting damage to destroy a work of fiction?

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 17:20 | Link to Comment Herd Redirectio...
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Its called jubilee.

Wipe the debts clean.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 19:23 | Link to Comment Seer
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"would it really create any real lasting damage to destroy a work of fiction?"

That Fiction is tied in with a LOT of other fiction, and when fiat pukes we'll find out that almost everything has been improperly priced.  The house of cards is how everything has been created.  Without some way to orderly re-price things velocity of money will likely go to zero; nearly everything will come to a screeching halt.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 18:59 | Link to Comment ajax
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@FieldingMellish et al

As "Olephant" has pointed out:

"The confusion probably comes from the fact that Germans use the word Milliarden instead of Billion and the word Billionen translates to Trillion in English."

Good to keep in mind here.  Thanks Olephant

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 19:21 | Link to Comment german Wunderkind
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German counting is different, we use the original french system where 1 trillion is 1018 and not 1012 like in the US of A.  thats why the graph says billion(1012)

 

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:08 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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I'm a male. So I always think bigger is better.

/snark

<Can someone please explain to me how this won't all end badly?>

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:09 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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If it were to end badly that would be bad, so that won't happen. It's that simple. Today we will see JPM's vault will magically have more gold in it. 

We will all me insane by the time this thing gives.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:28 | Link to Comment Shell Game
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'We will all me insane by the time this thing gives.'

In progress..........................

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:30 | Link to Comment NoDebt
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They can spin them plates a lot longer than you think they can.  It's a practiced skill, like being a magician or a circus freak.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 19:24 | Link to Comment Seer
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It's been going on for a LONG time.

It happened slowly, then all at once...

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:59 | Link to Comment negative rates
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No, they just leverage it higher. In theory, the boss could simply walk into the bank wearing a gold ring, leverage that to say 10,000 to one, take out a loan on the leverage amount at a low .25%. Hit the streets with a gold ETF and a fresh couple million. Live off the sales until you need a second ring. You got 8 fingers, 2 thumbs, and 2 ears, and didin't even build that, but your rich anyhows so it don't matter.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 16:06 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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"If it were to end badly, that would be bad, mmmkay?"

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:13 | Link to Comment espirit
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Matrix Metrics.

We took the redpill, remember?

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:46 | Link to Comment BLOTTO
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I just didnt take the red pill...

.

I injected the Mofo...

.

And yes, this ends badly.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:13 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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"It" simply won't end.  Next question please.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:29 | Link to Comment ParkAveFlasher
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This will never end, because when it does, they will lean on Merriam-Webster (probably underwater on repackaged subprime securities and flagging due to people using dictionary.com) to redefine the word "end" to refer to some other page in the dictionary, which will itself refer the reader to some other page, on so on and so forth like a "Choose Your Own Adventure" book with lousy editing.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 16:50 | Link to Comment ljag
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Flasher

That was great! I'm still lol!

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 16:59 | Link to Comment shovelhead
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Simple...

Bazillion $ platinum coin.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 17:42 | Link to Comment Ghordius
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"Can someone please explain to me how this won't all end badly?"

because it's just a mad intra-megabank paper imagination game. no way to see it differently, eventually

megabanks chain themselves to it like strikers to the gates of a factory, only it's the FED and those CBs they can strongarm

just ban that hideous stuff, would be a quicker solution

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:07 | Link to Comment michiganmaven
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Charts should be trillion not billion... 

 

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:07 | Link to Comment Fuku Ben
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The FED new purchasing policy rates it a strong buy

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:17 | Link to Comment JackT
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Already talk on Bloomberg about increasing Q^

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:06 | Link to Comment bugs_
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Was ist das??

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:22 | Link to Comment Dr. Richard Head
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Das ist eine riesege Schwanz in den Arsch!

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 15:16 | Link to Comment MonsterBox
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Fed to Berlin:  "Keine gold fur sie!"

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:36 | Link to Comment PiratePawpaw
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Es machts nicht...gehen sie schlafen.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 15:21 | Link to Comment Z_End
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DB Überschrift zum Scheißhaus...

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 16:37 | Link to Comment KnightTakesKing
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At least there will be plenty of paper there.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:08 | Link to Comment Crtrvlt
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DB - the largest beneficiary of the greek (and other so european countries) "bailout"

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:08 | Link to Comment css1971
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You've got your billions and trillions mixed up there. I know, lots of zeros it's hard to keep track.

That's why scientific notation was invented. Really, you know it makes sense.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:06 | Link to Comment JPM Hater001
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I hate JPM not being #1 in everything.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:07 | Link to Comment The Big Ching-aso
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A trillion here a trillion there and pretty soon we're gonna be talking real money.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:15 | Link to Comment espirit
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Personally, I "like" gazzillions.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:32 | Link to Comment Thisson
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That is good!  I like Brazzilions!

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:11 | Link to Comment slaughterer
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Dear DB Account Holder,

due to some recent unpredicted losses in our derivatives book, 50% of your cash account has been converted into DB common equity in a newly issued non-sellable equity class called DBFF (DB fucked forever).  

Rgds,

Anshu (the Indian guy from London who cannot really speak your language, but you trust anyhow because you want to be regarded as multi-culti)

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:14 | Link to Comment McMolotov
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The template that supposedly isn't a template. Bank runs this summer?

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:30 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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Cyprus already happened and there were no bank runs. There could be bank runs and there would be no bank runs. It's all good. we are getting worked up over over nothing. In all honesty DB ain't going anywhere. Never gonna happen. if the idea is tat DB pulls the plug on someone else I would love to see some evidence.

I understand the junks for this comment. But can someone present anything other than the fact that DB just got 3 bil more capitalized today than they were yesterday?

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:52 | Link to Comment McMolotov
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Yeah, I'm probably hoping for too much. Cyprus caused me to have my own bank run/jog/trot, but there obviously weren't many others who reacted that way.

Not sure what would cause more people to wake up. I guess it would have to be multiple bank failures, but that's likely when governments would step in and taxpayers would get screwed all over again because "it's for the children."

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 17:25 | Link to Comment Herd Redirectio...
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Not many others?  You were looking for lineups at the bank, the lineups were at the bullion dealer (online and local).  The one thing you can credit the current fiat fraud with is convenience! 

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 17:28 | Link to Comment tenpanhandle
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At this stage of the game, to the masses (aka sheeple), it still represents other peoples money.  This means the plan is working fine.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 15:05 | Link to Comment PontifexMaximus
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Gerne geschehen, wir schicken ihnen noch ein paar Euros mehr.....es ist doch UNSERE Deutsche Bank, wir lassen uns doch nicht lumpen!

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:11 | Link to Comment Hulk
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In theory, AIG wouldn't have needed $180 billion of taxpayer bailouts to cover their derivatives losses.

In practice... We should have let AIG and Goldman Sachs fail. But just like on TV, the defeated killer is allowed to live, which just ain't reality...

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:08 | Link to Comment Stuart
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the figures are in trillions but the graph is in billions. 

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:13 | Link to Comment THE DORK OF CORK
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Germany is a little shrimp

2.7 billion economy........................

 

The European entrepot economy is over.

 

We in Ireland became a Imperial market for Germany & France post 1973 /80.

 

When that imploded in 2007/8 they sought to make the entrepot economy smaller by turning us into a hinterland for their wasteful operations.

Now this smaller entrepot is imploding.

 

Go fuck yourself you fucking bastards.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:30 | Link to Comment Terminus C
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I always thought it strange that the Irish would throw off one yoke (English despotism) for another (European monetary despotism).  Are you masochists?

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:35 | Link to Comment THE DORK OF CORK
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You don't understand Ireland.

It has not been a homogenous society for over 1000 years.........

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWHyJrd2xP8&list=UUDGN6PKvJsFcfsbz0Des4GQ&index=7

There is no we in Ireland

There is us and them.

Even when we all looked alike there was my tribe and their tribe.

The Icelandics are a bunch of Norse with the best looking Irish girls taken to buff out their gene pool.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:41 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Is that f***ing tax cheat, hyprocrite & global corporate shill Bono Hewison and the rest of U2 (richest people in Ireland) considered to be us or them?

Doesn't Ireland have any lamp posts for these cheeky lads?

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 17:47 | Link to Comment Freddie
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LOL!  Junked by some tard U2 fan who thinks Bono's lyrics are deep.   F tax cheaters U2.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 18:24 | Link to Comment ross81
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you may or may not have heard the true story/urban legend of Bono at one of his concerts starting a slow clap whilst stating "everytime I clap my hands, a child in the 3rd world dies". So a guy in the audience pipes up and says "well stop fuckin clapping then".

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:34 | Link to Comment ParkAveFlasher
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I hit wikipedia to do some analysis (lol) of this comment, but their page has no entry for either "economy" or "commerce".

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 15:35 | Link to Comment css1971
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They didn't understand what money is... Still don't. The Irish I know still blame themselves and are catholic so yes they're masochists.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 16:18 | Link to Comment Ourrulersknowbest
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The irish(I am Irish) are like all other western populations,grown fat and lazy on iPhones,x box and X factor.all the people want is to believe the dipshit leaders have our best interests at heart,and it will all be ok.it will all be ok.IT WILL ALL BE OK!
NO IT FUCKING WILL NOT!
Germany is not the prudent nation we should all aspire to.I have nothing against German people except for the trust they have in their authorities.german people will berate you if you jay walk.great,they love to inforce rules.But the dishonest fuckers they elect like to piss on the rule book in the morning.
FUCK off ANGELA YOU FAT BANKERS WHORE!
If DB blows up( and it might not because these cunts are good at the plate spinning)we will all be SHOCKED!SHOCKED!
If DB blows up,who's gonna get presented with the bill? You,me and every other stupid citizen of planet EURO.the scum will run with their fat bonuses.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 17:21 | Link to Comment shovelhead
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But the Irish have Jack Taylor who can solve crimes while passed out shitfaced.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 18:35 | Link to Comment ross81
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amazes me the amount of times in recent years I've been told at dinner parties "ohhh, so you want to make us poor again" upon suggesting Ireland exits the Euro & EU. Maybe another Irish taxpayer contribution of, say, a trillion Euros, to Deutsche's derivatives bill will finally shake the stupid out of these morons.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:12 | Link to Comment q99x2
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Let them fail. Its the only way to be sure.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:09 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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the only digits that mean anything anymore are found on our hands

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:12 | Link to Comment BanksterSlayer
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(especially that digit that pulls a trigger.)

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:10 | Link to Comment Poor Grogman
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You can't eat a derivative

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:13 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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but it can eat you

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:12 | Link to Comment Silver_K-9
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"9-9-9" - Herman Von Cain

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:17 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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"C-C-C" Cascading Collateral Carnage - mkorner

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:34 | Link to Comment Proofreder
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F U B A R

youknowwhatitmeans

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 15:37 | Link to Comment pods
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And FUBAR quickly leads to BOHICA.

pods

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 16:53 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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You forgot one.

Cross

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:13 | Link to Comment jal
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Poor people don't need to worry about those debts.

Nothing left to lose.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:17 | Link to Comment dontgoforit
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I wished it were that easy, but something tells me blood will flow - rich and poor.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:12 | Link to Comment FieldingMellish
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I wonder if there will come a point where even having an empty account at one of these fine institutions will cause you to become encumbered by their ineptitude. Debt transfer by association?

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:19 | Link to Comment dontgoforit
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Just being a 'people' should qualify you.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:30 | Link to Comment Abraxas
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Even if you are cold and no longer breathing they'll find a way to stick it to you. These guys are thorough, I'll give 'em that.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:37 | Link to Comment CrimsonAvenger
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Yep. Here in the states, your social security number enrolls you in the taxpayer lotto. Elsewhere, I suppose it's whatever mark of the beast they have locally.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:12 | Link to Comment slaughterer
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Big thanks to the Tyler who combed the books to find that derivatives balance.  Something really stinks here at the Taunusanlage, and it ain't the roasted Wurst from the Fressgasse.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:15 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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$45 T in interest rate derivatives.  That says when interest rates break out, Ben and his CB compadres are going to find themselves paws up in an alley. 

It's no wonder there is such incredible compression in the Eurodollar curve. 

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:16 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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Note to self: Must reduce DB exposure from 80 Euro to 40 Euro in bank account, to mitigate risk of catastrophic liquidity scenario.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:15 | Link to Comment dontgoforit
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I know an ant can carry 100 times it's own weight; but this is an ant who can't.  Whoops there goes another rubber tree plant, damn.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:16 | Link to Comment ytilitalov
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And since when are notionals meaningful when it comes to derivative exposures?

How much DV01, CS01, delta etc. is this?

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:31 | Link to Comment Tyler Durden
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Good point. Oh wait, the same DV01, CS01, delta, counterparty risk, etc, and all other paper calculations that fed into some excel model and led Lehman to believe its Value at Risk (with a 99% confidence level) was just $150 the day before filing? The same VaR limit that implied just a slightly lower total loss than the sub 10% recovery on Unsecured claims and the wipeout of tens of billions in debt?

Or maybe you are referring to the tiny reported derivative exposure by Lehman as of June 30, 2008 which somehow ended up being magnified substantilaly when the bank filed, and led to a $20+ trillion bailout by the Fed of the entire financial system?

We are confused.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:36 | Link to Comment ParkAveFlasher
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$150?  Could have paid that out of the bagel budget.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:39 | Link to Comment PiratePawpaw
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Drink more......It helps.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 15:04 | Link to Comment McMolotov
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Sometimes it helps, but I'm hung over as hell today, and I probably understood four words of Tyler's response. It would be Sanskrit if I were drunk...

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 15:12 | Link to Comment ParkAveFlasher
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My favorite part of the magical world of derivatives, is how every bet is matched with a mirror-image bet so that the outcome of all activity sums to zero. 

Failing that, the Cat in the Hat appears, calls upon Little Cat Z, the Z you can't see, and makes it all better using VOOM!

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 15:37 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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nice

it's sad when Dr. Seuss is the only financial analogy that works anymore

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 15:36 | Link to Comment steelhead23
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Every bet is matched???  OK, maybe, but quite a few on the "wrong" side of those bets (Abacus anyone) likely had no idea they were betting - they thought they were making "investments."  I hope that by now, everyone has read Matt Tiabi's latest - interest rate rigging.  Forget Communits, forget terrorists, forget illegal immigrants - the real, true, sworn enemies of the American people are the banksters.  And, BTW - they're winning.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 16:57 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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As long as there's someone* out there willing to go "double or nothing" then it's all good.

*That would be you, via proxy.

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 14:46 | Link to Comment kito
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YEAH!!! what tyler said!!!.................................

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 15:04 | Link to Comment Miss Expectations
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EXCEL(lent)!

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 17:42 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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it's almost as if this is all.... bullshit

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 18:38 | Link to Comment FLHRS
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golf clap

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 19:53 | Link to Comment Benjamin Glutton
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perhaps it's time to stop calling 2008 a banker bailout and switch to DEPOSITOR bailout for the cheap seats...

 

TIA!

Mon, 04/29/2013 - 22:06 | Link to Comment Spigot
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i'm so sorry, but when I saw that table I started giggling uncontrolably. i'm better now.

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