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Apple Files Bond Prospectus, Names Goldman Lead Underwriter
Who could have thought, one year ago, that we would one day see an AAPL bond prospectus for floating and fixed rate notes (due between 2016 and 2043). And yet here we are, as the preannounced AAPL bond prospectus goes live and proves what we said months ago: that some $100 billion of the company's offshore held cash is non-US recourse courtesy of repatriation taxes, forcing the company to raise even more cash to fund US-based capital decisions. Perhaps the most surprising (or least) thing is who the lead underwriter would be. No surprise anymore: Goldman Sachs.
Steve Jobs is spinning at a steady RPM in the afterlife as the "growth company" dream is now officially over.
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low hanging fruit?
When there is only sizzle and no steak, it is time to get into bed with the butcher.
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Molon labe, idiots! Not much to audit since the unfortunate fire....
its just more desperation from this fucking incompetent thieves.....just one more reason to stay home and save your money, and system d....its raining today in maryland...good thing we have that rain tax...what a croc of shit....see for everybody else its to save the children...here our child is the bay....so everything is for the bay....and as a long time resident who has spent and still does, time on the bay...it is horrible and completly unsafe....they have even started putting signs up around quiasi priv/public shore lines...in the smallest of fine print that basically says..the water is so bad dont get in it...of course this is directly across from a swim club were everything is good...get a copy of a fishing license brochure...it advises not eating any fish in approx. 95 % of the bay...or limit 1 fish per year....and on and on and on.....
What a deal!
Borrow money to pay dividends.
Financial Engineering at its' Finest.
Did somebody say Goldman Sachs?
What was with all the cash on the sidelines about then?
These bonds will sell. I think that is where the housing 2.0 bubble is wrong above. If anyone cares to take this head on I'd be interested.
There is no housing bubble. That article states those homes are being bought with cash. Not leverage, no crazy loans. The banks are not lending (see all the ZH deposits over loans articles). No one is taking out crazy arm's that will explode later on. No one is tapping equity in their existing homes to buy more homes.
What is happening is the big money knows the game is over and the banking system is a time bomb. They want anything tangible. That is why the gold vaults are being emptied. That is why all these real estate deals are being done in cash. Even treasuries and bonds like this apple bond seem like a safer place to park money than a bank account.
The only question is, how much money can leave the banks to buy tangible assets before the fractional reserve system implodes?
Ben is handing out $85 billion a month for bankstas to buy plantations, errrr, properties.
Monopoly is easy if you're the 'banker' with a laser printer!
Okay Fonz you're confusing me. Yesterday you were talking about this dragging out forever as we drift slowly down to third world status, and now today you're talking about an imminent implosion. Understandably it feels like it can go either way, I'm just a little confused by your comments.
On your other point about the housing bubble I totally agree. Barring certain areas, I don't think there is a bubble either. The banks are still holding on to shitloads of inventory and, they are still dragging their feet on foreclosures.
Fair enough doc. I am absolutely playing both sides and there is an excellent reason for it.
I have absolutely no idea which way this thing will go. I am totally lost.
One one hand I am glued to every JPM gold vault report and ekm's imminent order from the Pres causing PD's to drop from the skies. Throw in Cyprus and this amazing tsunami of high end cash real estate purchases etc. and it sems to indicate that someone somewhere knows something is coming.
On the other hand, DB yesterday successfully added 90 million shares and they are rallying. UBS earnings this morning were supposedly spectacular (I only scanned headline). That seems to indicate that this game has a long way to go.
I have one foot in the matrix and the other one at a jam packed cheesecake factory.
Doc, to confuse you even more... If things were to completely implode, and you were a big big money guy and I know you are :) would you rather have your money in the bank or in high end property? Sure the property would lose nominal value, but the chance of corzining is a bit less. So maybe it is both Maybe the real estate is not a bubble, maybe however it is a mad dash for physical before the implosion around the bend?
That's as decent as an answer gets. Whether it drags on to deposit a couple of planet-fulls of debt to our great, great grand androids, or whether the whole financial system suddenly breaks are both fairly reasonable predictions. I too am clueless about what comes next.
There are constants in this maelstrom of information. Paper devaluation, rising unemployment, rising indexes (careful there), and a rising class of headless chickens trying to park cash into anything tangible.
Edit: re appl. Yeah this sucker will sell. Never mind that the whole reason for issuing IOUs is the lack of funds to put to use, never mind that it's a tech dependent corp only as good as its last product in a declining life cycle...., never mind it's all crazy. Just ask Reggie.
I agree..I'm in the same boat. One week it feels like it's going to fall apart and the next week it feels like it's business as usual. I watch all major news drop off the radar and the markets rally, but I see the slow decline in the country everywhere I look. As for the banks, I've been pretty consistent with my message, I only keep as much money in the banks that I need to function. I maintain money for the market too, but only money that I'm comfortable w losing if the feds try to pull a Cyprus on us. Any proceeds that I make I pull out for precious , and semi-precious (lead)metals. The money that I used to dollar cost average into the market now gets averaged into tangibles. I'm not a big property person, I recently paid off the mortgage and I have no interest in debt ever again. By the way I saw you and Kito talking about locations...Indian is a pretty cheap place to live and pretty friendly to gun owners.
This has to be the worst time in history to be a fiduciary.
Agreed, but you know what? I tell my clients to by some tangibles, but 1 out of 20 will listen. They don't want anything to do with gold or silver. Some of them have been with me for 20 years, but when it comes to precious metals they tune me out.
Yeah I tell them the same. Almost in unison they agree that it is prudent. Almost in unison none of them actually do it.
Who are your clients and why are they vehemently against PM? Whats the reason?
I deal with retail. They are not vehemently against PM's. Say QE and they zone out. Say money printing and they shrug. Say debt deficits and they look past you at a bird sitting on a tree.
My clients are much like Fonz's in his post. Add to his response the fact that they don't want to have it in their home, and they don't want the hastle of going to the local dealer. Most of them want their savings to provide an income, so that's what I do.
'My clients are much like Fonz's in his post. Add to his response the fact that they don't want to have it in their home, and they don't want the hastle of going to the local dealer.'
DING. DING. +1000 DING.
I even have family who understand what I tell them, that gets the system is going down. My sister's first question about buying PM's, however, is: 'why would I want to store it at home?'
Followed by:
'Won't I risk getting it stolen?
'Isn't that what a safety deposit box is for?'
'I should also buy a GUN?! SEVERAL GUNS?!?!?! But that means I have to learn to fire it . . .'
Everyone wants to take the easy way out. No one wants to take personal responsibility for themselves or their finances.
The worst part: Do anything else, but don't ask them to think for themselves.
apples for real estate
better yet an orchard of apple trees!
cash crop...
good dr. whether it gets shity today or in the future, the plan is to be in a debt free resolute position.
best said;be in a position of law compliance to avoid attraction, but understanding laws are created for the benifit of an ongoing oligarch, facist ruling elite.
therefore, pick and choose the right path to your freedom (as you see it), and that is the challenge...
all else bullshit...
better yet an orchard of apple, plum, pear, peach & nut trees.
with some hazelnut & berry bushes underneath.
cash crops without the expenses for insecticides...
Well done, Fonzie
Tangibles.
THIS COMPANY WILL LAST FOREVER!
http://mynews.mumbleabout.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/apple-rotten1.jpg
Cook = Squid Mole.
(Who woulda thought.)
they're playing ball now, expect the stock to go up from here
i think thier cashflow is getting impaired, when you have a gigantic balancesheet and shitty sales, its very difficult to "sustain" profitability. take a look around, if you want to buy a mobile or a tab you can have so many brands beside Apple,this smells fishy and it stinks. this could be the demise of the big giant. yeah keep buying AAPL
omfg... facepalm
heh.
I've been laughing at Apple all the way up and I'll be laughing even more on the way down.
Should laugh at those who continue to buy their underpowered, overpriced products.
Apple is the next Sony.
Goldman is going to stick it in AAPL's butt, then they will perform some necrophilia on Jobs
No, they are just going to take a big bite out of that juicy aapl.
Apple is Wallstreet's bitch now.
another stealthy QE, can you know if bank of israel is buyin the 2043 paper at par with special 15% coupon + Libor, gotta keep em happy
Goldy only managed to get the bonds an AA rating, that's screw job number one.
ot. didn't we debate about douche bank or better, Deutsche Bank, about dilution due to secondary...stock up....8%. so. AAPL could offer neg rates til 2100, would be oversubscribed 10x. Uncel Sam is happy.
Add share buy backs to the long list of scams.
What ? Goldman lead undertaker ?
iSachs
iSachs to sell iBonds in iStores.
Confusing.
You just can't make this shit up.
This is like winning the powerball and then going to the bank to get a car loan. "And here is my 100 gabillion for collateral."
pods
As a small business owner, I'd like to know how I can take most of my profit and offshore but then issue bonds so I have the same amount of operating capital as if I kept the cash at home. Oh that's right, I can't. Carry on oligarchy.
buy gold and store it abroad-best bet. then when she comes tumbling down go to zee gold and live happily ever to forth...
A fruit-eating vampire squid. Huh.
Truly, we live in an Age of Wonders.
Veganism is all the rage, now. Haven't you heard?
This is a great move. It's damn near free money so why the hell not take it. At some point, companies will wish they could borrow at today's rates (assuming we're not Japan). It's the corporate carry trade. Borrow low, invest high.
It's floating rate; floating rate deals have all kinds of hidden event risk, hidden triggers and big bank counter-party risk, beyond the obvious market risk. Apple has entered the spiders lair (or the Squid's garden). Another way to look art it is that some TBTF counter party just reinforced their systemic importance by exposing Apple to its risk.
I got you. I guess they figure they would be a top credit for a long time. We'll see.
Apple has embarked on its long journey back to becoming a $2 stock as it once was.
Caveat emptor.
PS: Apple makes overpriced hardware and sells it through retail - overheads don't match the product line up.
goldman will destroy them over time.. thats what goldman does. its in their business plan
Goldman did wonders for Libya:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/afontevecchia/2011/05/31/goldman-sachs-lost-...
I cant wait for the new Gphone 5s
Nokia have been doing prototypes for them. You can see what the new iPhone will look like here:
http://www.nokia.com/gb-en/phones/lumia/
Even better. They're copying Microsoft's user interface design for the next revision of iOS. If that isn't a reversal I don't know what is.
This is straight out of Steve Jobs play book. This is the man who would lease a car every 6 months to prevent having to put a license plate on the car.
Also the same guy who wanted a helipad on both his property and the Apple Campus, so he wouldn't have to drive in rush-hour traffic (the request was denied by the city council).
Not repatriating your earnings is the new capital flight.
So much for raising taxes to encourage growth. Well in something other than debt.
Take all the profits offshore and spread them around various tax havens. Pay no tax on your profits. Invest the money for tax free returns.
Borrow money in the US for operating capital. If TSHTF you can walk away, leaving a big business with an even bigger mortgage.
I'm sure it's all just a tax dodge but could also be a long term zombie apocalypse bug out strategy.
You have all of this cash earnings off shore, where is it safe from a Bail in or bail out ?
"forcing the company to raise even more cash to fund US-based capital decisions"
sort of...force is a strong word. They can bring the cash back they would just pay tax on it. Why would you bring the cash back and pay tax when you can borrow nearly free? If I was a shareholder and they didnt do this I'd be up in arms. It's simple capital budgeting. Typical ZH, damned if you do, damned if you don't.