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Nigel Farage On "Wholesale, Violent Revolution" In Europe

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In a little under two minutes, Nigel Farage sums up the utter farce that "the religion" that Europe has become. He explains, his fear is that what will break up the Euro, "is not the economics of it, but wholesale, violent revolution," in the Mediterranean, and that is "all so unnecessary!" Speaking at Simon Black's Offshore Tactics workshop, the so-called modern day Cicero goes on to point out that France's Hollande is "the number 1 among idiots running countries around the world," and worries that Merkel's pending election means there will be more and more 'tough talk and action' as she shows the people she is in charge. Simply put he warns, alongside Ron Paul, that if you have money in European banks, "Get your money out," because, "when the next phase of the disaster comes, they will come for you."

 

 

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Tue, 04/30/2013 - 21:57 | 3516296 DawgAss
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Amen.....

 

PS FUCK YOU Bernanke!!!!!

AND WHAT EVER REPLACES YOU TOO!

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 21:57 | 3516310 ACP
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Revolution! Revolution!

Everyone grab your gu......

 

 

Oh yeah, I forgot...

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:02 | 3516315 Supernova Born
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I think the plebs would pay full retail for a revolution.

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:07 | 3516334 Abraxas
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There's virtually only about two dozen prominent people that understand and talk candidly about the current issues. There's millions of them telling you that all's OK, don't worry, be happy.

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:36 | 3516416 cifo
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Who's going to deride Simon Black now?

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 23:14 | 3516561 Popo
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Nobody. Because he doesn't suck as an event organizer.

It's when he puts pen to paper and talks about his super sekrit CIA past, or raves how things are sooo much better living on a pig farm in rural Cambodia that he gets ridiculed. Or when he talks about Chile being stable and secure compared to America without a trace of historic irony... Good lord.

This was a great event with great speakers. He should stick to organizing and give up pontificating.

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 23:36 | 3516631 varnelius
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Any links to more of it?   At the end of that video I see Peter Schiff (thank you Lauren Lyster for introducing truth seekers to the general public) on the left, and Ron Paul on the right.  I'm sure Rigel was not the only man speaking truth at that event.

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 23:57 | 3516693 Telemakhos
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I'll second that.  Someone below posted a link to Nigel speaking at the Manning Networking Conference; I'd like to see the rest of this clip, though.  It's a shame to reduce Farage, who usually does build arguments, to a set of soundbites, however clever they are.  After all, if Tyler and others are going to call him a modern Cicero, his orations ought to be available in full, not in excerpts.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 06:03 | 3517029 smlbizman
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no mention of the entire all star cast...ron paul and nigel in the same place, shiff, rogers.....were can i watch this entire thing?

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 00:05 | 3516710 Kirk2NCC1701
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He gave a similar speech at the Manning Networking Conference recently (MNC 2013), and several parts were identical (word for word in speech and delivery) to the one in Santiago. 

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbCgw2nsrOw

A true "politician".

/ Hey, but what does 'Kirk' know! /s

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 00:20 | 3516749 Freddie
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A true Trekkie posting BS. Star Trek - how sad.  Retards who love TV and Hollywood's shit.  You must enjoy brainwashing.  Your hero is a fat Canadian bagel boy who drowned his wife.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 00:28 | 3516776 otto skorzeny
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shat is a hebe- they get a free pass in Hollywood for murder.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 02:25 | 3516885 fourchan
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farage is the motherfucking man!

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 05:23 | 3517004 Tango in the Blight
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Didn't work out for Phil Spector.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 09:17 | 3517387 ross81
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+1...good stuff

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 03:49 | 3516933 varnelius
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Just imagine the scene: Ron Paul, Jim Rogers, Nigel Farage, Jim Rickards, and Peter Schiff, all on stage at the same time, Saturday night, in Santiago, Chile.

Fortunately we hired a professional film crew to capture it all on video, and we’ll be making that available soon.

 

I look forward to that!

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 06:28 | 3517045 Cacete de Ouro
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As South American capitals go, Santiago is up there with the best of them...

Maybe the lesson here is ....move to Santiago....   very nice....

 

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 07:00 | 3517072 skipjack
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For the small fee of $895 you can have it.

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 23:56 | 3516697 RafterManFMJ
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A rural pig farm in Cambodia?
It's tough, kid, but it's life!

I'm on a pig farm in Cambodia,

didn't forget to pack a wife. 

 

Seriously though, that sounds like quite an adventure..."Tonight after nightsoil is made, we eat long pig longtime, Joe!"

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:12 | 3516357 potlatch
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the plebes will wait for the app

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:45 | 3516462 Possible Impact
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But only if it is free...

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 03:32 | 3516925 Ghordius
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"the utter farce that "the religion" that Europe has become" I probably missed that. you mean the remark about the EU anthem? well, even some clubs have anthems, flags and things like that

strikes me as silly that singing "Rule Britannia" and "God save the Queen" is good old healthy nationalism while wawing a blue flag with golden stars is a "religion". there is actually a word for this attitude: jingoism. it's a good old tradition, in some parts

anyway, his message is clear: "get your money out of the eurozone banks" - by that I must presume he means "bank with the City of London banks" (you know, the hyperhypothecating megabanks)

"Wholesale, Violent Revolution in Europe" (with Europe he means the eurozone, not the UK) - on this, I have a small personal observation: I see British pundits and politicians way more nervous about violence and revolutions than their continental counterparts

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 06:06 | 3517031 disabledvet
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here, here and "amen." i agree "these are delicate matters as well" ones that require both REAL solutions (natural gas, solar, cloud computing) AND attention to detail (execution, manifestation, repetition, results.) the rhetoric is of course dramatic as mine was yesterday (in my world)...but towards what end? what is the purpose of the rhetoric? "to build a more perfect union"? (CLEARLY WE HAVE WE THE PEOPLE IN THIS MAN!) in other words "what's the plan, dude." obviously and i'm sure you know full well Ghordius that "the planners" are what are derisively called the "technocrats" in these here parts (and over there as well.) can't speak for the approaches being made but clearly they have a very profound understanding of the issues at hand "and are tasked with dealing with them." (obviously any thoughts you have in this regard would be greatly appreciated. Perhaps at the TOP of the article...but hey, cheap seats are still seats.) the statement (the state?) "they're coming for you" can mean many things...perhaps he got carried away as i often do...but i think what we're all looking for here is calm, rational conversations of a "way forward" that will make a positive and obvious difference to the most "and then come what may." the best i can offer is what works here...namely, crazily if you will..."what worked before" and what is claimed here regularly as the end of world namely securitized products that generate generate growth without inflation and "a light touch when it comes to regulation" (meaning something understandable) AND A STRONG TOUCH WHEN IT COMES TO LAW. (for nothing is lighter than the rule of law.) the Japanese have a saying which i'm sure Banzai knows better than I but it is something to the effect of "to copy something is to pay that something it's greatest compliment." we in the West demand (as the ancient Greeks did) so much in the way of "original thinking" (and the honors and emulents that come with such glories) in all ways there is a simplicity to...dare i say...in plagiarism...as ILLEGAL as it is. "Pragamatism" works too...see what works...work your way through the problem, follow through, follow up. the title of the book was "Wealth of NATIONS" not "Wealth of Me." in other words "this crazy Scotsman Adam Smith devised a way to pay for the debts of the State" not for people to become billionaires and just start "blowing up the world" though obviously the riches of his ideas have proven simply staggering...even now. "the law might be an ass" (as our American Vice President famously said back in the 90's) BUT SO ARE TAXES, BUREAUCRACY, THE ARROGANCE OF THE STATE AND HAVING TO PAY FOR IT ALL. as we all know "payments are done personally"...unless of course we're talking something of a more...sinister nature.

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:51 | 3516480 Dudeskis
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Don't worry.  Open immigration in the EUzone has assured there are plenty of Eastern criminial organizations just waiting to unload Russian surplus arms.  It will be Africa II Electric Boogaloo

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 23:29 | 3516613 Pure Evil
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No doubt, if the FEDS confiscate in the good ole US of A, full auto will be made available to the plebs by the Cartels.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 03:52 | 3516942 Urban Redneck
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Yes, but they won't have to cross any borders to do so.  Counter intelligence is the US a joke, the guy in charge of hunting spies for the FBI through the end of the Cold War was a Russian spy, and  they're not any brighter today then they were a decade ago.  Fascist thugs tend to like amassing huge stashes of weapons in convenient centralized locations and then hanging an ironic virtual Molon Labe sign on the front gate.  Crazy Q'Daff wasn't so crazy when be bombed the Benghazi DHS 'R US.  Syria - rinse & repeat with some really dirty bombs.  If TSHTF, Janet will need the armed drones for DHS strikes on Ft. Hood regardless of which side the Republic of Texas takes in the conflict.  

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 00:21 | 3516740 Seer
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Sorry, no criminal organization can match the criminal organizations from the US.  Consider this:

http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/10-cia-double-deals-...

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 23:02 | 3516510 Temporalist
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ABC's best:

School House Rock Shot Heard Round the World America Rock

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6ikO6LMxF4

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 00:22 | 3516754 otto skorzeny
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I wish my young boys could see politically incorrect shit like that on TV- instead they get to see their prez call and congratulate some NBA monkey for admitting he's a cocksucker.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 09:51 | 3517541 ATM
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Wait a second. You mean that the British were going to Lexington and Concord to seize the weapons arsenal?

Wasn't I just told a few years ago by the MSM that any such talk was ignorant? I think there was a female running for office that made the claim the Brots were coming for guns and everyone laughed at her. What the hell was her name?

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 23:44 | 3516657 Gringo Viejo
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"I HAVE A GUB."

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 06:57 | 3517071 HeavyShadow
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EURO MARKET LATEST

 

 

1.80 ~ European crisis status quo until 2018

3.50 ~ Merkel wins election, pledges further austerity

5.00 ~ Cyprus leaves Euro, pegs to UK sterling

9.75 ~ Beppe Grillo wins Italian Election, orders referendum, sets Euro trend

12.0 ~ Spain leaves Euro, issues Labour Certificates, 0% unemployment, invades Sicily, Portugal, Gibralter and French Catalonia

75.0 ~ Euro debt forgiven

99.0 ~ Bank rigging scandal exposed by Mainstream Media

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 21:55 | 3516298 Groundhog Day
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But benny promised us all the next phase will not come. He has infinite ink

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 21:59 | 3516305 buzzsaw99
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...all so unnecessary

beg to differ

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 23:13 | 3516555 lolmao500
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Europeans need to understand AGAIN what tyranny means... apparently, they forgot what the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, Italy's Mussolini and Spain's Franco did to them...

Europeans have GOT to understand that statism ain't the fucking way to go!! It needs to go through their thick heads already... if it needs ten million dead, then so be it!

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 23:35 | 3516632 NidStyles
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There's a reason people have always sought to leave Europe.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 00:27 | 3516764 Freddie
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Like Obam's Amerika is much better.  The Rothschild's muslim puppet.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 15:27 | 3519324 Joe A
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Yes, it is beause they are weak and feeble. The strong stay behind.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 00:28 | 3516771 Seer
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And where is there NOT statism?

They're fucked not so much because of statism, but rather, they're fucked because they're aging and they have severely declining natural capital (natural resources, esp energy).

This is all about stepping back away from the ledge of unsustainable living.  Statism had tried to block this out of fear of what it would to to social order (the order that keeps the elites in power).

It'll all correct by Mother Nature's hands...

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 01:54 | 3516858 TBT or not TBT
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The low birth rates correlate with nanny state socialism and arguably the secular hedonism rapant in such places is the cause of both.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 08:57 | 3517314 Lebensphilosoph
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Both correlate with the spiritual decadence of a people which marks the decline of a civilisation. Libertarianism is as much a symptom of it as is socialism. The 'individual' versus 'society'? Both are historical anathema. There is no turning back.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 07:30 | 3517112 Al Gorerhythm
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As do every other country living under the yoke of Democracy.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 09:14 | 3517371 Mandel Bot
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Europeans forgot? Most Americans have forgotten what a magnificent republic was given to them. We have pissed it away to the point where liberty, as conceived by Franklin and Jefferson, is almost entirely a thing of the past. We are racing headlong into European style statism, with the 47% cheering as we go.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 09:54 | 3517571 ATM
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47%? Man that's way too low.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 09:27 | 3517435 BobPaulson
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Ten million deaths ok? WTF? You gonna volunteer to be first?

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 21:57 | 3516307 americanspirit
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"Massive iceberg dead ahead sir"

"Steady as she goes helmsman"

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 23:58 | 3516703 RafterManFMJ
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"As a really smart Economist, let's assume there is no iceberg." Capn' Bernanke.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 05:10 | 3516991 CompassionateFascist
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not iceberg. Is polar bear practicing backstroke for Olympics

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 07:31 | 3517116 Al Gorerhythm
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Full ahead both.

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 21:58 | 3516309 Dr. Engali
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Ron Paul, Nigel Farage, Peter Schiff , and Jim Rogers. The only person I didn't see was Marc Faber. I'd like to have heard all their talks.

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:03 | 3516330 FoeHammer
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What an incredible line up!

Although he is not in the video, I believe Jim Rickards was there too.

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:17 | 3516366 Rattling Bones
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Yeah, they're like The Avengers. I kept waiting for the Hulk to appear and beat the ground with Loki Krugman.

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:30 | 3516413 The Shootist
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Incredible! When was this?!  Sometimes, mostly, I like Rand too. 

Someone once described churchill as, "You could trust him to drive your coach pleasantly and with great skill 99% of the time, but he might unpredictably take it over a cliff at full tilt 1% of the time."

Or did I make that up?

 

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:45 | 3516463 FoeHammer
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Chile- April 01.

 

Please check up on Rand, I don't think he is the guy a lot of folks think he is. Economic Policy Journal does a great job of pointing out his establishment views and connections.

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2013/03/epjs-rand-paul-resource-pag...

 

I have gone back and forth on supporting him, but I can easily see powers in the repub party trying to co-opt him and the libertarian movement. The repubs are still dirty statists with dirty tricks.

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:55 | 3516499 Dudeskis
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I know... Rubio has gone to the dark side and Rand is teetering. 

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 23:24 | 3516605 ServingMyKing
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Ted Cruz is the (Constitutional) rock of the Senate!......at least so far.  He's probably holding out for Longshanks to quadruple his land.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 05:15 | 3516997 CompassionateFascist
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The Zionists own them all. 

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 23:25 | 3516600 palmereldritch
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It seems he's certainly not the Constitutionalist his father is - http://www.dailypaul.com/283217/my-disconnect-with-rand-paul

The most recent case in point, Senator Paul's statement following his interview regarding the use of domestic drones:

Sen. Paul (R-KY) said:
"Fighting terrorism and capturing terrorists must be done while preserving our constitutional protections. This was demonstrated last week in Boston. As we all seek to prevent future tragedies, we must continue to bear this in mind."

source:U.S. Senator Rand Paul's Website

Really, Senator Paul, "constitutional protections" were appropriately preserved during the search for the Boston Marathon Bomber?

  • No vehicle Traffic allowed in or out
  • Persons sequestered in homes
  • Door to Door warrantless searches
  • Columns of Heavily Armed soldier-like police
  • tank-like vehicles rolling down the streets of America
Wed, 05/01/2013 - 05:13 | 3516995 CompassionateFascist
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no, but you remembered it wrong. Other 'way around. Churchill the only man directly involved in forcing both rounds of the 20th century WorldWar. He thought taking down Germany would preserve the Empire. Evidently not. 

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 06:20 | 3517042 Sandmann
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He was half-American and his real name was Spencer-Churchill not Churchill. he was not even descended from the male line. His father took the name Churchill and hyphenated it to his own name Spencer. His son fraudulently dropped the hyphen to make it appear he was descended in the male line from John Churchill. Dreams of Glory and all that. He basically destroyed the British Empire by pursuing bizarre schemes and being one of the war hawks in 1912 determined to start a war with Germany which was why the deals with France were secret and kept from Cabinet, Parliament and Germany

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:48 | 3516466 Possible Impact
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https://twitter.com/ECONOMISTHULK

ECONOMIST HULK @ECONOMISTHULK

HULK LIKE EFFICIENCY. HULK ASK YOU ABOUT CENTRAL BANK REACTION FUNCTION.

REVEALED PREFERENCE SAYS HULK GET UTILITY FROM SMASHING THINGS.

ECONOMISTHULK@YAHOO.COM

 

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 23:38 | 3516636 Pure Evil
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Isn't there a cesspool somewhere that you can shill your polished turds.

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 23:50 | 3516675 Ralph Spoilsport
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He got evicted from his house so he's gotta shill somewhere.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 00:43 | 3516794 Possible Impact
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I thought it was a funny parody account.

Did y'all think it was serious?

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 23:30 | 3516615 JeffB
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Simon Black has caught some grief on here at times, but he must be doing something right to be able to put together that lineup.

 

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 00:15 | 3516719 Kirk2NCC1701
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I think I know why he gets flack.  Because there is a vocal and hard-set segment of bloggers (10%) who do not fit his target audience, and he has not done a good job communicating that. 

These bloggers, for their part, have either not figured this out, or who nonetheless feel the need to trash him anyway.  What can I say?

Now there was one anecdote that Simon (or his writer) that I found hard to believe (that he was a pro fighter for a while), but I did not feel like I had to attack or trash him for it.  Not my style.  It would be more my style to gently 'rib' him about it privately -- with a smirk and a wink.  He's smart enough to get it, w/o getting 'clobbered'.

Hope this helps.

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:19 | 3516373 IridiumRebel
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The "Collapse Allstars"

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:30 | 3516407 Alpo for Granny
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It would be nice to see Schiff get more love on ZH. He takes fight club to the sheeple and beats them over the head with it.  I mean he fucking just destroys his Kenynestard debaters and routinely demolishes the idiots on CNBS.

Besides Ron Paul, I think he is the most responsible for the recent surge of the popularity of Austrian economics. I know he woke this sheeple up and I bet a lot of you guys and gals on here too. 

 

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:39 | 3516435 fonzannoon
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Schiff was the reason I woke up. I ow my thanks to him.

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:50 | 3516474 kito
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what is schiffs latest take on things??? he tends to waver in varying degrees with regard to the endgame...............

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:56 | 3516505 Dr. Engali
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I don't know about him wavering. I heard him give a talk about a week ago that wasn't much different from the first time I ever heard him speak. Of course timing is everything.

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 23:02 | 3516515 kito
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i actually heard him state that the fed will stop short of creating hyperinflation.......i was a bit surprised to hear that from him considering he had been hammering home the hyperinflation end game for a long time.....

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 23:23 | 3516596 theliberalliberal
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I think Schiff thinks there will be severe inflation (USD drop by 50% or so),  but the fed will do the right thing (jack interest rates 70s style) once this fall happens and the plebs start kicking up a fuss.  

 

 

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 23:43 | 3516661 JeffB
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Trying to predict what maniacs and criminals will do when their backs are to the wall seems quite impossible to me, particularly given that they may well be puppets who don't know themselves which way their puppeteers will be pulling the strings further down the road.

Fwiw, it also seems like raising interest rates to quell inflation before it swirls into hyper-inflationary mode seems like it would be very very difficult, if not impossible to do even if they wanted to. For one thing it could be completely out of control by the time they try to reign it in. Then there's the whole issue of the monstrous debt overhang. Much of that debt is very short term, at least the debt that isn't on the Fed balance sheet.

Raising rates significantly would kill the banks, insurance companies and pension funds holding any long term debt, or mortgages etc. It would also hammer the stock and bond markets, not to mention the trillions in the derivatives house of cards.

If they could get through all that, the interest on the debt would skyrocket pretty quickly.

and of course it would hammer the economy as well, spiking unemployment and the government subsidies for Obamacare which caps the amounts people are liable for based on income. Deficits would soar even more than they already have even as they're trying to staunch the flow of the avalanche from the debt overhang.

Perhaps they could pull it off, but my gut tells me they've already passed the point of no return.

I think we're going to need a reset and wipe the debt slate clean. Sorry everybody.

 

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 00:30 | 3516781 Dr. Engali
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There is no way in hell the fed is ever going to raise rates. It just isn't going to happen, for all the reasons you just mentioned. There is a lot of talks about the banks , but I don't think people really understand how screwed the insurance companies are right now. They can't hedge for their products in this environment ,so they are either pricing themselves out of the market or leaving certain markets entirely. I still believe that is where we will see the first big blow up.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 07:30 | 3517111 francis_sawyer
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To me ~ It's a simple matter of following assessment protocol... You assess the situation & see which areas to can possibly have an influence [even if your actions produce bad results]. & eliminate the areas where you have no influence whatsoever...

~~~

- From that perspective, the insurance companies have ZERO in terms of influence

- Whereas, the Fed, as dysfunctional and lame as it is, still can exert some measures of attempted control

- & probably, the Fed outguns any of it's so called peers

- So who is the Fed? [most are aware of the limited shareholder list]

- At that point, you've arrived at the probable source for anything happening

~~~

MY SPECULATION [which I've stated before]

- That the private families who own the Fed, due to arrogance, were caught behing the 8 ball in the past decade in underestimating the rapid decline in the loss of faith in paper assets...

- They've tried [several] ways to reverse this pattern [by market manipulations, paper gold takedowns, & media propaganda]... None of it has worked

- So now, the only thing they have left is to "butt into" the cafeteria line

- When they get enough to sufficiently stay in power by collapsing the present system, they will... But that's not the end of it... I'd suppose that, if possible, the NEW system that is created, they'll 'continue' to push for an ALL PAPER system... Debt for the people, GOLD for the elite... If people are sufficiently destitute & reliant on the STATE system, they might just go for it...

So therefore, I wouldn't simply TOSS OUT the idea of raising interest rates... The scenario would go something like this:

1. Confiscate as much physical bullion as possible [happening now]

2. After the last gram is picked up from in front of the last steamroller, flip the switch and let the price of gold explode [the banks who hold the most at that time have the biggest guns]...

3. At that point, some bank 'consolidation' should happen [as the lowest hanging fruit in that moment is NOT granny's teaset, it's the bank vault across the street]

4. When you finally have the gold in all the strong hands, [& with the Fed, presumably still in charge], the largest players can skim off whatever gold they need to sanitize their dollar based debts...

5. At that point, the Fed devalues the currency, but then, offers high interest [70's style] rates on savings & we basically reset the clock to 1980...

I realize I left out a lot of stuff ~ but for a maneuver this broad, you simply cannot surgically manage it...

My 2 cents

~~~

GOLDENCENTS & LINES OF BATTLE [$2 exacta box for the Kentucky Derby]

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 02:01 | 3516866 Kirk2NCC1701
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He offers a number of practical actions:

Engage his firm's services to diversify globally and asset classes, buy PM bullion and that gold card that you can break off into smaller pieces, buy his latest book. Etc.

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 23:32 | 3516616 spine001
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Suggestion to all of you read the Steve Wolfram book abou a new kind of science. What he explains there is what is happening to the world financial system. Basically the end game is UNPREDICTABLE. and so is the trajectory from where we are now and the next attractor. So schiff is right in wavering, that is what little we can predict, that the system will waver (bifurcate is the right term) over and over and faster and faster until it arrives at a new attractor ( or the end game as people call it). Once the transition starts the dynamics of the system is such that all controls that keep it stable now will cease to function. Obviously wwiii and going back to the stone age are among the possible attractors but there are many other possible stable states (attractors) we may end up at. Again once you see the simple beautiful math of the sytem Wolfram so eloquently describes you will understand why we can't predict what is coming or even how we will get  there...

Until next time,

Engineer

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 05:24 | 3517002 CompassionateFascist
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Most Probable Attractor: small, slightly radioactive feudal domains ruled by alpha males. Each with a harem of mutated super-babes (like the one I'm seeing over in the left margin. You're not seeing it? Too bad.) demanding service. YUM!  

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:50 | 3516475 FoeHammer
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Schiff is a cool guy that brings a lot to the table. I was fortunate enough to see him speak live at the Mises meet up in NYC, during fall of 2012. Lew Rockwell, Peter Klein and others gave some tremendous lectures.

 

Here is Peter's lecture
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptMrAgWqRfg

Here is Lew's lecture

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl9lS5k7H5M

 

 

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:57 | 3516508 Dr. Engali
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I agree. I'm kind of surprised we don't get more of him here.

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:31 | 3516415 BobPaulson
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yeah but wasn't Schiff's narrative that the eurozone was the safe haven?

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:39 | 3516431 Alpo for Granny
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No I believe he has said the the US is worse off than some of the European countries, but not a safe haven. The only thing I have ever heard him call a safe haven was gold.

 

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 23:20 | 3516589 Kirk2NCC1701
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Clearly I don't have MFB (Most Favorite Blogger) status, as I've posted multiple blogs and some even during the Workshop. Even sent Tyler a group photo of that gang, making sure to avoid the photophobic Simon. Anyway...

Got pages of notes, it was AWESOME! Expect videos coming out eventually -- for sale, of course. Everyone agreed that although you could spend tens of thousands of dollars on some US tax lawyers etc, you'd never get that kind of global knowledge and contacts. An Am. lawyer would not give you his cookie cutter or recipe. Shit, you wouldn't even to peek at their Rollodex!

Am keeping in touch with a number of attendees. Nice people. Even got some of them to check out ZH. If one of you blog here, feel free to contact me.

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 23:49 | 3516672 JeffB
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Why not give links to your blogs in the comment section here?

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 00:16 | 3516737 Kirk2NCC1701
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Happy to do so.  Gimme a couple of hours to get the kids down.  Cheers.

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 23:49 | 3516673 JeffB
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Why not give links to your blogs in the comment section here?

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 00:09 | 3516722 piliage
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I know I going to be in trouble here, but I do have problems with Schiff. If the guy is so awesome, why doesn't he make money for his investors? His fund's performance has been awful, while he was right about the housing collapse he didn't monetize it to his investors, and he travels around spending his investors cash promoting himself while not minding the store. Check out the reviews of his firm on yelp by former clients, brutal.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 00:27 | 3516766 Dr. Engali
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Like I said on an earlier post ... timing is everything. You can have the right call, but be early,and that sucks because people's patience runs thin when it comes to making money.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 00:47 | 3516798 piliage
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Fully agree. But that is my problem with him. Timing shorts is the hardest skill in the world, damn near impossible in this market as you have to fund huge margin calls. He is more of a professor than a fiduciary, but his job is managing other people's money. And he totally missed any return in 2009 even though he was the pied piper of the coming collapse.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 18:06 | 3519967 JeffB
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Here was his own response on Jan 30, 2009:

Peter Schiff Answers His Critics

I looked him up on Yelp, and only a couple of seminars or talks he was giving showed up via a search for him. The comments section looked like a typical "liberal vs conservative" pissing match to me, though I didn't waste a ton of time reading through a lot of them. I didn't see any of customers complaining about getting ripped off by him or anything.

From his response linked to above, it sounds like he lays out his own views on the macro economic situation and which investments will likely play out well and the clients pick and choose according to their own preferences, or else give the rough parameters of what types of risks they're willing to take, which investment classes they favor and which they prefer to avoid and so on, so their results varied quite a bit, particularly over the short term. FWIW, his explanation sounded plausible to me. I think the gyrations of the market at the time of the crash surprised an awful lot of people. I know it surprised me, even though I had many of the same concerns Mr. Schiff had. I wonder how many investment professionals who would have been told to plan for the possibility of a big crash scenario instigated by a collapse in the high risk mortgage market, and as a result in the banking system a few years before it actually collapsed, but no idea when it would actually occur would have come through unscathed.

 

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 06:57 | 3521599 piliage
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But even the vast majority of his mutual funds over the last two years have underperformed the S&P when you also consider his 2.5% fee. And if he was correct about the housing bubble, he should have made a killing in 2009. He didn't.

Kyle bass was down huge on his Japan fund until recently where I hear it has finally started to break event. However, that represents only 15% or so of his total fund.

Bass made a ton of money in 2009 on housing, and also made a killing on Greece. I have no worries that he will do well, in time, on his Japan hedge as well. Until Schiff starts making money for his clients on his predictions, I'll continue to maintain my opinion that the guy is a great champion of sound money, but isn't the best investment manager.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 12:14 | 3522777 JeffB
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I agree with you to a large extent, piliage. I think a lot of people, however, misuse that short time frame when investors just coming on board with Schiff's Pacific Capital lost more than most people in the S&P 500 or typical mutual fund investments to make him look as bad as possible, largely in an effort to discredit his over all message.

I think it did show that it's not nearly as easy as it seems to pick out what will perform best, or least bad, when chaos ensues. I think that's a valuable lesson for us all. When you're sailing into uncharted waters we're all guessing as to what will transpire. They may be educated guesses, but are guesses nonetheless. Some do better than others, and Bass' bets obviously paid off a lot better that Schiff's in the last go round. For my money Bass is also going to do well on his Japan bet, but then again things can look very different depending upon what time frame you're looking at. As you noted he was looking pretty hurt for awhile in his Japan bet. I think ZH had posted stats something along the lines of about a 75% loss on the Japanese portion of his portfolio with no obvious improvement in sight. That changed in a hurry, though, and could become another monster money maker for him again. Others had the same idea, but became statistics themselves in the infamous Widowmaker trade.

I think Schiff may well come out smelling like a rose if/when the precious metals take off &/or when the U.S. suddenly has the sharks circling for the kill. But then again he may fall victim to the phenomenon our nemesis, Keynes remarked about when he said "Markets can remain irrational a lot longer than you and I can remain solvent."

I have no dog in the fight with respect to having money with either one of them, though if I were to bet on either one's performance for the future, I'd probably be right along with you in putting my money on Bass. I realize you are not among them, but my beef is with those who denigrate Peter Schiff such that they dismiss him altogether as some sort of fool who happened to get lucky with his prescient call on the 2007/08 collapse. I think his economic analysis and prescription for getting out of this mess, painful as it may be, is spot on. I agree, though, that his investment advice to protect against the coming economic calamity isn't a guarantee against financial losses, even calamitous ones, especially in the short to medium term. But then again, I don't think anyone can make any such guarantees, even those who've bet right, and at the right times in the past, with the possible exception of those privvy to the insider information to frontrun the central banksters' next moves.

 

 

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 00:26 | 3516760 otto skorzeny
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throw in hugh hendry and I'd jizz in my pants.

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 21:59 | 3516314 SheepleLOVEched...
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damn can we get the whole thing? thats such a tease tyler....

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 14:11 | 3518926 JeffB
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I'm thinking that was the Sovereign Man's intention.

 

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:02 | 3516316 Evil Bugeyes
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France's Hollande is "the number 1 among idiots running countries around the world,"

Would that make Obama #2? (Well, at least he tries harder.)

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:09 | 3516341 Che Guevara is Dead
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No, but he thinks he's number 1. He likes to lead from behind.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 00:30 | 3516775 Meat Hammer
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I can only imagine the roasting that Obama would get from the media if he said the exact same things but was a honky Republican.  

 

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:15 | 3516359 FinalCollapse
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Obama tries very hard but Hollande is just natural...

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:42 | 3516460 Freddie
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You all know that O is closely connected (chicago) to that French marxist NWO bitch who runs the IMF.

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 23:49 | 3516679 Freddie
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LOL! Junked by idiots who love the NWO.  F**king morons.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 00:22 | 3516747 otto skorzeny
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steady on old chap.

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 23:14 | 3516570 Agent P
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Key phrase: "running countries"

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:02 | 3516318 maskone909
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Schiff, paul, farage wow where is the whole vid?

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 23:50 | 3516681 Kirk2NCC1701
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Video is WIP. It's only fair that those of us (~500) who were there get first dibs at a discount. 3 days of videos, wow.

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 23:00 | 3516323 Rattling Bones
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Those guys could inspire pitchforks and torches.

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:02 | 3516324 sunaJ
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"my fear is what will break up the Euro, is 'not the economics of it, but wholesale, violent revolution,'"

 

Individuals rarely just give up power.  Power-corrupted nations definitely do not just give up power.  No, it will have to be taken from them.

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:10 | 3516346 Abraxas
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Karl Marx got that right. Give credit where credit is due.

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:02 | 3516327 Hayabusa
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All I can say is NIGEL ROCKS!  Oh yes, he ended with something like "All I can say is when the next phase comes get your money out of the EU because they will come for you."  I'm surprised those greedy, power hungry sociopaths haven't come for Nigel... yet.  Ya gotta know he's pissing them off each time he tells the TRUTH.

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:44 | 3516350 Rattling Bones
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  1. Well, sadly, there was that plane crash he bearly survived.
Wed, 05/01/2013 - 17:26 | 3519809 JeffB
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Thanks for the tip. I hadn't been aware of that incident. A few links:

Nigel Farage plane crash pilot charged with threatening to kill Ukip leader

Pics of the crash

Other links

 

 

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:02 | 3516328 kito
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Violent revolution?? Really??? The masses have already been domesticated.....they've been neutered, taken obedience classes and trained to roll over and play dead....no sorry....no violent revolution....wishful thinking Nigel........

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:05 | 3516338 Dr. Engali
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Revolution won't happen until there isn't any food to feed the masses. As long as the sheep can graze they will remain domesticated.

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:14 | 3516355 Che Guevara is Dead
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Hate to disagree with you good doctor, but when people are starving they are too weak to revolt. Just look at the grass-fed North Koreans. 

That doesn't mean the masses are ready for revolution though. Maybe taxes on tattoos and body piercings would awaken them from their slumber. 

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:34 | 3516412 Abraxas
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It takes a combination of things, one of which is a strong leader. Robespierre, Lenin, Washington, Bela Kun...

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 05:32 | 3517010 CompassionateFascist
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Bela Kun? That little Jewish milksop? The Rumanians kicked him out of Hungary, he ran off to Moscow, and Stalin shot him. 

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 06:27 | 3517047 Moe Howard
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What we need now is a Committe of Public Safety to save us.

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:38 | 3516429 tbd108
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This is true for women, children, and the old people however the younger ones manage to forage enough to take to the streets as they please.

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 23:12 | 3516554 Imminent Crucible
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when people are starving they are too weak to revolt.

Ah, but they're hungry a long time before they're starving. And down here in the South, we've got some big 'ol camels who could live off their humps for months. And most of them have as many guns as they have IQ points. More, in some cases.

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:48 | 3516471 kito
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doc, they are lacking the basics in parts of greece....and yet the tptb keep telling them things will be worse without the eu, without the euro...............and the greeks believe it.....the masses are always scared of the unknown.......they will be eating each other and believe things could be worse without their overlords............

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 23:19 | 3516586 Agent P
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In the short term it would get worse, but after that it would get much better...problem is nobody wants to live through the ugly part.

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:16 | 3516361 Bendromeda Strain
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The brainwashed masses are having some serious cognitive issues. I think the Beppe Grillo phenomenon bears watching.

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:20 | 3516379 altgeek
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Yep. The med countries are strict gun control. Except if states like Syria (via Russia) start exporting AK-variants, RDX, etc to spice things up. Also, I would think it would be in Egypt's interest to destabilize the region, no? :)

There will be a New World Order, just not the one that Euro-elite cabal had planned.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 00:27 | 3516772 otto skorzeny
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israel and the house of saud are working full time on destabilizing egypt and syria

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:04 | 3516335 The Carbonator
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Anyone have an uncut version?  I would love to hear Ron Paul and Nigel go back and forth.

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:07 | 3516343 Smegley Wanxalot
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Anyone know how big a bailout Slovenia will be (in €s)??

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:17 | 3516369 IridiumRebel
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Meh, just take it from the plebe's deposits. It's not like they need it or worked for it. .Gov will be their sugar daddy. 

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:24 | 3516383 DeliciousSteak
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Tiny. Merkel's farts are worth more tbh. It's an image issue, the money is irrelevant. I guess they'll use the Cyprus way to handle it now that they've seen it can be done with little to no resistance.

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 23:31 | 3516612 nevket240
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The bailout will be enough to satisfy Hamids Christmas club monthly deposit.

Figured that out myself

regards

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 23:56 | 3516618 Kirk2NCC1701
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I remain sceptical on this one, but we'll see. It's the banks' own damn fault and its leaders should be jailed for collusion and corruption.

They let management from a number of companies do a leveraged buyout when the government de-nationalized them. Essentially, mgmt used practically Zero capital of their own 1% equity) and got financing on the rest. WTF!?

It is not 'Slovenia' that needs the "bailout", it is the crooked execs and bankers, who get to use the whole country as collateral. Can you say crony Capitalism? /s

Nigel gets great marks as a firebrand (knows his audience/base!), but not for 'deep dives' into facts or entire JPG.

"Here all week. Try the salad." - Jerry Seinfeld

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:09 | 3516345 rehypothecator
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We have to kidnap that guy and stick him in the White House, pronto.  

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:15 | 3516358 Rattling Bones
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Well, Nigel wasn't born here...oh, wait..

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 23:11 | 3516560 Imminent Crucible
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I can have his birth certificate ready before tomorrow morning.

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:16 | 3516348 Aurora Ex Machina
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Farage is getting major shit in the UK for his party's inability to manage candidates for the elections [Guardian has been going at it solidly for a while now; they're left-leaning Capitalists for the record (the "treat your livestock" well paper)].

 

Talk a big game, but if you want to swim with the big boys, you should have a decent data crew on board; especially with 1,700 candidates.

Get with the times, City Boy.

 

He's also too slow - France just announced 10 pro-business measures. If you're going to play this game, you need 24/7 instant feedback + monitoring.

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:46 | 3516469 Freddie
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The Guardian is a shit lefty paper.  Their sports and some music stuff is okay.  Almost all the media, All of TV and all of hollywood is shit. Idiots who watch it - support it and their serfdom.

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 23:07 | 3516529 Aurora Ex Machina
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I'm just amused that I get junks for telling the guy how to shape up and run a modern political campaign.

 

Did I critique his message? Nope. Did I critique his ability to swim in the data stream? Of course I did, he's going to get massacred.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 00:19 | 3516739 Freddie
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Dude - I did not junk you.  I got junked.  The UK media is VERY protective of Labour, Tory and Lib Dems. 

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 10:42 | 3517780 Imminent Crucible
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Freddy, no argument that the Guardian is WAY left--I call them my favorite Marxist rag. That said, they still supply far better reporting on US events than our own MSM.

Tells you something.

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:14 | 3516354 UTICA CLUB XX PURE
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I believe Chairman Ben has purchased the rights to the full & uncut version. 

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 00:55 | 3516803 Kirk2NCC1701
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LOL. For own benefit, on his next job. ;-)

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:18 | 3516362 IridiumRebel
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I am actually looking into property in Central America this shit has gotten so out of hand. I just want to be left alone and not fucked with and even this is not possible anymore. My parents even have gotten on board and made a "plan" should the SHTF. My wife, a badass ER nurse and now Columbia med grad, is making us a "kit" for meds and emergency. Something is up. Many people feel it. I hate it too. it is not like I wanna feel like a fuckin bad person for wanting the GOD GIVEN RIGHT of just being able to make a little coin, enjoy my family and feel protected. Nope. That'd be too fuckin easy. i gotta have all of these "financial pros" and "government friendlies" doing everything they can to fuck with the money I make and try to save. I do not want a revolution. i do not want SHTF or TEOTWAWKI. I just want be left the fuck alone. /rant off{thx, I feel better}

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:24 | 3516384 cherry picker
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What you are describing as wanting to be left alone to enjoy your family and the fruits of your labor was previously defined as liberty or freedom.

Justice fell by the wayside a long time ago and this thing called "bravery"?  Few have it, most prefer to sit and see what happens next till there is a knock on their door.  Then it is too late.

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 22:28 | 3516399 IridiumRebel
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I am no soldier. We are formulating an exit strategy. 

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 23:18 | 3516584 Milestones
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Wise move.        Milestones

Tue, 04/30/2013 - 23:43 | 3516662 Future Jim
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As painful as it will be, fixing America is the only option (other than starting a new country - let's do both).

America is the last stand. If we Americans were disarmed, then the 1000 years of global tyranny that would result (until it crumbled from within) will have killed the Soul of Humanity around the globe. Those genes will have become extinct.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 04:54 | 3516988 Colonial Intent
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You missed the Sarc button, are you even aware of american foreign policy over the last 100 years, mossadegh, allende, are these just words to you?

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 05:42 | 3517013 CompassionateFascist
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Oh, I feel so so guilty about what Andy Jackson did to the Noble Savages. Really I do.  However: then was Then. Now is now.  

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 07:30 | 3517110 Colonial Intent
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Spoken like a true maoist CF.

 

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