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Arizona Becomes 2nd State To Make Gold & Silver Legal Tender

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Just under a month ago we raised the prospect of a number of states following Utah (which authorized bullion for currency in 2011) down the path of gold and silver as legal tender. "The legislation is about signaling discontent with monetary policy and about what Ben Bernanke is doing," was how this shift was previously described and as Yahoo reports, the Arizona Senate on Tuesday approved a measure to make gold and silver legal currency in the state, in a response to what backers said was a lack of confidence in the international monetary system. The bill will make gold and silver coins legal tender as of mid-2014 and more than a dozen other states continue to mull the transition. Those against the bill argue somewhat ironically, "anybody who thinks gold or silver is a really safe place to put your money had better think again," anchored on the last two weeks, but as one supporter of the bill added, a "sound and honest money system such as gold and silver" is needed to bring stability.


Via Yahoo,

The Arizona Senate on Tuesday approved a measure to make gold and silver legal currency in the state, in a response to what backers said was a lack of confidence in the international monetary system.




The bill calls for Arizona to make gold and silver coins and bullion legal tender beginning in mid-2014, joining existing U.S. currency issued by the federal government.


If signed into law, Arizona would become the second state in the nation to establish these precious metals as legal tender. Utah approved such legislation in 2011.


More than a dozen states have considered similar legislation in recent years, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.




He also pointed to the recent decline in the value of gold - which sank to $1,321.35 per ounce on April 16, its lowest price in more than two years - noting that "anybody who thinks gold or silver is a really safe place to put your money had better think again."


The push to establish gold and silver as currency has become increasingly popular in the United States in recent years




... the legislation was needed to counter what he sees as insolvency in the global monetary system.

"The dollar system and all of the other derivative currencies, including the euro, are a recipe for worldwide bankruptcy," Weiner told lawmakers at an earlier hearing, adding that a "sound and honest money system such as gold and silver" was needed to bring stability.


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Wed, 05/01/2013 - 10:42 | 3517782 vmromk
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That's another COCK Arizona just jammed up Bernanke's ass.

Hahaha Bernanke, you will go down as the most incompetant criminal the "Fed" has ever had.

Some legacy the Bernanke name will hold in history.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 10:53 | 3517843 Manthong
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The feds will ferociously fight this fiduciary infringement on their fiat fiefdom.

But.. if you think this situation through you will discover how badly the country was f’d in 1913 with the 17th Amendment.

The state legislatures should control the Senate as the founders intended.

The Senate should not be the beauty contest for special interests that it has become.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 10:56 | 3517864 LawsofPhysics
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Texas will be the next, then New Mexico, then Montana, then...  Civil war 2.0.  Bring it, fuck the criminals in D.C.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:10 | 3517884 freewolf7
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Come on, Colorado, grow a pair.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:14 | 3517932 Pinto Currency
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The Chinese seem to be ahead of us all on gold - they aren't waiting for a law.  They just do it.


Data for the Shanghai Gold Exchange physical delivery statistics (compare these numbers to the Comex):


  • Peak One Day Delivery: 35.7 tons of gold, 22 March 2013.

  • Current Month Delivery: 208.6 tons of gold as of 26 April 2013.

  • Peak One Month Delivery: 328 tons of gold, March 2013.

  • Gold Delivery Since 1 January 2013: Gold delivery (year to date): 1030 tons.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:17 | 3517943 bernorange
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The Governor still needs to sign the Arizona bill.  It's passed the state House and Senate, but it's not official yet.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:22 | 3517953 Manthong
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"Chinese seem to be ahead of us "

..and how many grains are allegedly sitting in the Comex closet?

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:29 | 3518032 Pinto Currency
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The Comex alleges billions of grains.  But their rulebook has numerous outs.


See this note :


Week of 26 April -- strange drop off in physical delivery? As of 25 April, physical deliveries on the SGE have been 1 ton (0 tons 22 April, 24 April and 25 April). The last time the SGE has a week of just limited deliveries as base in January 2011, a month that saw 21 days with less than 1 ton of gold delivered per day. Is this due to lack of inventory for delivery?

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:37 | 3518076 fonzannoon
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I saw ZH did not do much in the way of inventory reporting yesterday. My guess is the numbers went into fudging overdrive and ZH moved on.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:36 | 3518064 Kirk2NCC1701
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Chinese are hoarding WMDs?  Weapons of Monetary Destruction?

Must have proxy country (Japan) engage them in cold currency war, then hot war.  Good for Japanese economy. /s

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:42 | 3518121 Pegasus Muse
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I bought silver today.  Did you?


Buy Silver on May 1 And Break The Cartel   -- competitive prices but long wait.  order-to-ship time 10 - 14 weeks, sometimes longer

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:46 | 3518464 Its_the_economy...
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10-14 weeks? That is suspiciously akin to purchasing a derivative.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 13:21 | 3518662 traderjoe
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Do not buy from nwtm. Unreliable.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 15:03 | 3519217 SilverDOG
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So right.

They LOVE to hold your fiat currency AND your Precious Metals.

I was forced to send a legal request for sales to be completed, by delivery.

We are not talking a pallet of silver.

They did send, a poorly packed, disheveled order.

Looked as though it was hastily stolen from a pile in the basement.



Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:39 | 3518092 SV
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Seriously - Knowing their legislature they'll advise you to ward off someone presenting precious metals for payment by "vomiting or urinating" on them.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:58 | 3518228 Nobody For President
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Common FreeWolf, Colorado just made weed legal. One thing at a time...

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:17 | 3518350 debtor of last ...
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What's DC? Your Brussels? Their Waterloo?

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:10 | 3517910 McMolotov
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BREAKING NEWS (AP): Obama says the probable use of metallic weapons by the Utah and Arizona governments "has crossed the red line," and an appropriate response will be forthcoming.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:15 | 3517927 freewolf7
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Got a link, please?

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:25 | 3517937 Precious
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Just Google "Weapons of Class Destruction"

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:27 | 3517998 GoldForCash
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Weapons of mass construction.....

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:55 | 3518222 freewolf7
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When I Google "Weapons of Class Destruction", all I get is CNBC, Boston bombing, and ways to sell my gold bars. 

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:13 | 3517928 fonzannoon
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BREAKING NEWS SOME MORE (Ruters) Boston Bombing older brother was from Utah and younger Brother was from Arizona. They purchased bomb components by using precious metals as currency and detonated the bomb using bitcoin.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:21 | 3517949 McMolotov
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Uh oh:

Bet the three new suspects were from Texas.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:24 | 3517961 Precious
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... under alien instructions that taxes are causing human extinction.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 13:08 | 3518594 akak
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In further news, both BBBs (Boston bombing brothers) have been linked to West African gold mining child slave labor exploitation.  Child slave laborers were themselves unavailable for comment, being chin-deep in mercurious mud deep in the bowels of the earth.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 13:59 | 3518834 Miffed Microbio...
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What duplicitous and disingenuous assholes! Well, at least they are not deflationary. ;-)


Wed, 05/01/2013 - 14:14 | 3518920 akak
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"At least they are not deflationary flat-earthers", you mean.

You must get your terminology of disingenuousness straight.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 14:22 | 3518981 Miffed Microbio...
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My mistake! Crap, you have to restart your 30 day timer because of me. My apologies. ;-)


Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:30 | 3518047 Stoploss
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Paul is definitely NOT going to like this..

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 10:56 | 3517852 ziggy59
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Incompetent criminal is redundent when referring to the FED

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 10:55 | 3517858 Dr. Richard Head
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The true lesson will be taught to the people of Arizona when the shop keepers have prices listed in DUHllars and Gold/Silver.  When people see that the ounces/fractional ounces stays consistent with each good, but the DUHllars fluctuate they will start to finally ask some questions....I hope in one hand while shitting in the other.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:03 | 3517895 CheapBastard
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Gresham's law in action.
Wed, 05/01/2013 - 14:56 | 3519136 Cathartes Aura
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have they changed the rules then, the coins are being "valued" at spot, not "face value"?  because I believe that's the Utah ruling, "face value" for usage.

either way, making laws that allow for gold/silver coin usage still includes a bank/market manipulation on their value, so it's hardly the big freedom from the bankers that's being touted. 

who's making the rules for valuation?

edit: did a bit of a search, THIS is very interesting - Utah has a plan:

Ryssdal: So I can have some 1792 gold, double-eagle, walking liberty coin, whatever they call 'em -- because you guys do special stuff, right? -- and plop it down on the counter?

Franco: Theoretically, yes. Now practically, that's impossible to do. So what we've done at the Utah Gold and Silver Dispository is we have developed a debit card that allows for people to deposit their gold and silver like you would deposit cash in a bank. And we can issue a debit card against the value of your gold or silver holdings.

uh yeah, cool story bro.

of course, the banks still control the price. . .

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:23 | 3517967 Aeternus
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Section. 10.

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:34 | 3518073 Moe Howard
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I'm a Kentucky Kernal, does that count as a title of nobility? Oh, wait, Kentucky isn't a state, it's a commonwealth, so we are exempt. Never mind.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:23 | 3518377 Kirk2NCC1701
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Your is a title of military RANK.  But you do raise an interesting point:

Do 'noble titles' bestowed to people (99.9% men) in secret societies and the life-long ties they represent, not constitute "titles of nobility"?  Even though these 'titles' are technically not passed to their children (sons), these children (sons) are virtual shoe-ins for obtaining these title also.  So it becomes a "re-affirmation ritual" from one generation to the next.  Case in point:  Bush Sr and Bush Jr, and Yale's "Skull & Bones".

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:52 | 3518505 Diogenes
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Those aren't granted by the state. A private club can call its officers whatever it likes, no one is obliged to recognize them outside the club.

The most prestigious titles are those awarded by the people e.g. Elvis = The King.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 14:50 | 3519170 Joe Sixpack
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You mean, Sir George Bush? Don't forget Sir Colin Powell, too.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:15 | 3518338 Kirk2NCC1701
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How are these working out for us -- in terms of being adhered to, per

Article I, Sec. 8:  To declare war... To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin...

Article I, Sec. 9:  The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.

Article I, Sec. 9:  No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State. ... No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.

Article I, Sec. 10No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

Amendment 10: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.


What HAS happened to these Articles & Amendments?  Well...

Art.I, Sec. 8 (declare war) has not been used in decades.

Art.I, Sec. 9  Has not been used (much) since 9/11/2001

Art.I, Sec. 9: If you're not careful, some vendors will slap you with their state tax, even if you're buying from out of state

Art.I, Sec. 10: No State shall... make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts

  It say NOTHING about any other entity -- especially a private (banking) cartel, i.e. 'The Federal Reserve System' (aka The Fed) issuing money -- which they do!

Amendment 10:  If it isn't forbidden, it's allowed!

So, F.Y. Fed!

p.s. Note that the law enforcement of fraudulent coinage (real money!) should fall to the Treasury or a National law enforcement agency under the Treasury.  This has also been usurped by private cartel of The Fed, since the Secret Service reports to them.  It is note-worthy that the same Secret Service that is responsible for providing (or withdrawing) its security detail to the POTUS also reports to same private cartel, i.e. The Fed.  So, for argument's sake, if a president were to issue an Executive Order (EO) to have the Treasury issue coin (debt-free money!), then the POTUS and his EO would be in direct 'conflict' with The Fed and its mission.  It's a lucky thing that no POTUS has ever issued such an order or had his presidency shortened by political or 'other' means.


Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:24 | 3518380 midtowng
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Sorry, but Greenspan is still worse.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 10:43 | 3517783 unwashedmass
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meanwhile in Connecticut, they are planning on tracking down anyone who buys or sells gold. guess we know where all the folks working at the Comex live. 

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:08 | 3517911 Rustysilver
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I'm in Ct; I did not hear anything.  Some gun manufacturers are moving out b/c of the silly laws they just passed. None would stop Nancy Adams form buying guns. But that isn't the point, is it?

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:27 | 3518393 Kirk2NCC1701
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A friend in NYC tells me the same thing.  Can this be confirmed?

Although, with the recent PM smack-down and ensuing bullion rush, people have had to leave a paper trial by issuing a check, to cover the ordering of PM at bullion/coin dealers.  It's a defacto equivalent:  "If you can't beat them on principle, beat them on procedure".  A trial lawyer's favorite tactic.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 10:42 | 3517788 fonzannoon
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Fuck you McCain.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 10:50 | 3517828 Dr. Engali
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I have never liked that greedy old fuck, and I never understood people's infatuation with the lying bastard.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:14 | 3517936 HelluvaEngineer
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I think the media just pretends that people take him seriously, but I don't know a single person in real life who does.  Strange how that works.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:45 | 3518155 Buckaroo Banzai
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Oddly, his 2008 primary campaign was days from shutting down due to lack of money and voter interest, then somehow all of a sudden he started winning primaries.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:50 | 3518195 Moe Howard
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He had to carry his own suitcases at the airport and catch a cab to the hotel. I remember it. Suddenly, he was a winner that became a doggies dinner.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:02 | 3518235 Buckaroo Banzai
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+1 for Nick Lowe reference

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 13:01 | 3518553 Temporalist
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Buckaroo it wasn't so odd when you consider that Ron Paul was soaking up all the attention and disenchanted voters. TPTB backed McCain so they could maintain their old money power in the R party and not lose it to some honest patriot who would ruin the MIC/Fed/DC fiesta.

And if you want a good laugh, remember that Mittens lost to that old dusty cunt McCain, and then thought he had a chance a 2nd time.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 10:53 | 3517847 madcows
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I don't know what he has to do with the article, but he's all for drones on US soil, so, yeah, FUCK YOU McCAIN.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 10:58 | 3517863 Dr. Richard Head
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Not being a dick head, which is my character trait, the bill was passed in Arizona and Shortarms McCain is a Senator there.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 10:58 | 3517871 fonzannoon
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I am guessing that based on the sellout scumbag Devil of a human being that he is, this bill was either passed in spite of him, or if he endorsed it, it's because it will somehow make it easier for him to help big bro confiscate it.

He is that evil.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 13:14 | 3518619 seek
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McCain is basically a DC resident now. Since the bill is state legislature, he has no say.

Very few people here think he represents Arizona. He was just in state recently inspecting something for O, and had a massive presidential motorcade/protection detail. It's like the shit out of Hunger Games, how out of touch he is with his alleged constituency.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 10:57 | 3517867 Manthong
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Senator Keating er.. McCain is the poster boy for what is wrong with the federal government.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 13:03 | 3518570 Rustysilver
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I blame the Vietnamese.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:33 | 3518416 Kirk2NCC1701
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<--- Serious

<--- Sarc

I'm all for drones 'droning' all illegals (drug smugglers, human trafficers, gangsters and terr'ists) as they cross the border.  Decent people cross legally, and with papers.  Like millions have.  So, fuck 'em! Drone all the illegal crossings.  Where do I apply?

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 14:32 | 3519053 Cathartes Aura
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McCain's for more than drones in AZ, if anyone's paying attention to ex-CIA air base in Marana AZ, top secret security, *nods*

he has his counterpart in OryGun's Ron "dual passport" Wyden (aka Weidenreich), who also campaigns for bringing drones to his state.

good business, don't ya know. . .

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 10:45 | 3517791 Killer the Buzzard
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What backs gold, exactly?  LMAO.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 10:47 | 3517813 FieldingMellish
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World history and 3 billion Asians.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:19 | 3517956 Panafrican Funk...
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+1 billion Africans, also fans of gold.  The nearly 400 million South Americans are also pretty fond of gold, even if their governments are still largely under the thumb of the US.  It's pretty unique to the US, Canada, and Western Europe as having a citizenry that is largely ignorant of the value of gold.  Definitely speaks to the power of propoganda.  

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:56 | 3518528 Diogenes
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The power of honest money. As screwed up as our money is, it hasn't gone to zero since 1945 in Germany. So people have faith in it.

Any government could make gold obsolete simply by turning honest and not screwing the people with inflation and money printing.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 13:06 | 3518576 Temporalist
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Canadians aren't ignorant to the value of gold if you examine the great lenghts they go to extract it in foreign countries (SA) and the harm they do along the way.  It must be pretty damned important to them.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 15:39 | 3519350 Radical Marijuana
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Yes, Temporalist, BUT, the Canadian government is still so colonial that it has been selling all its own gold off.

The government of Canada is one of the worst fascist plutocracy puppets in the world, despite that a significant number of people and institutions which are ostensibly "Canadian" are fascist plutocracy players in their own right.

The paradoxical situation in Canada is that precisely because it has had a relative vast abundance of natural resources, compared to a relatively small human population, material life for many Canadians has been quite comfortable, HOWEVER, that comfort contributed to them being amongst the relatively most brain dead Zombie Sheeple, who let their government sell almost all their gold, without a clue, nor any interest, in what is going on.

Although French Canadians, and the ~1% of Natives of course, have different attitudes (that the authorities are NOT their friends), remember that Canadians were those who were the loyalists, not the revolutionaries. The mainstream Anglo-Canadians are more completely clueless, and want to stay that way more, BECAUSE their history has made them be able to be relatively comfortable doing that.

Of course, just like the USA, since the 1960s, the old Anglo-Canadian identity has been swamped by wave after wave of immigrants from everywhere. Therefore, it is no longer as possible to say anything coherent about "Canadians" ... except that I would repeat that the history of Canada as a colony, that never went through any revolution, but only a belated and slow evolution, has meant that Canada is still extremely COLONIAL regarding what it does, and what its people think ... which explains why Canada has been selling off all its own gold, at silly low prices, for quite a while.

Sure, some Canadian mining companies are busy producing gold in other countries, but Canadians are ignorantly giving away their own gold to others, while most of them are completely clueless about all of that, and want to continue to be clueless ... Remember, Canada is STILL in its housing bubble, which has still NOT popped. Unlike the USA and UK, Canadian households are still going deeper into debt overall, because their world view is still in a relative bubble, which is quite different than the sense of social reality felt by more people in the USA or the UK.

Ironically, when one looks at every possible factor, both present and future, Canadians relatively still DO deserve to be complacent, compared to other countries. However, that sense of complacency is WHY they continue being able to be some of the most deliberately ignorant and misinformed people on the planet from a political point of view (relative to their otherwise higher level of education on other topics.)

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 16:07 | 3519519 Catch-22
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… next time someone here visits Canada, tell a local that O’bummer smokes…

… see how fast your whole credibility/integrity disappears...



Wed, 05/01/2013 - 16:38 | 3519618 akak
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I hate Canadians because they can't even figure out how to not say "hockey" as "HAW-key".

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 17:14 | 3519748 Catch-22
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Since the word "hockey" is a corruption of the word "hook" (referring to the end of the stick), maybe it should be called playing “Hookey”…


Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:24 | 3517994 Joenobody12
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The central bank of Germany.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 10:43 | 3517792 Cognitive Dissonance
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I guess the real question did Gold and Silver ever become illegal as "tender".

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 10:51 | 3517820 Skateboarder
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Ever since a book of voodoo "laws" replaced the original intent of operation for a republic.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 10:57 | 3517831 Bananamerican
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How? For the same reason the messenger is always getting shot....Gold is a snitch

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 10:57 | 3517866 Dr. Richard Head
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The old "legal tender laws" put in place by some paper bug legislators that had interests in the banksters - just like how the Federal Reserve Act was passed.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:39 | 3518438 Kirk2NCC1701
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According to the US Constitution (and isn't Obama a Constitutional Lawyer?), it has always been "legal".

According to The Fed (and its Chairman), it has become a "tradition" of the past, since they've replaced it with fiat FRNs and fiat Ledger Entries at the Fed, Treasury and banks.

It's a tacit bait & switch in a monetary game of Liars Poker, in which nobody has yet called "bullshit!"

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 10:46 | 3517793 Howard
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Any employers here looking for an top industrial engineering graduate with sales engineering experience in Arizona? I accept payment in gold and silver...

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 10:47 | 3517798 The Big Ching-aso
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Shit.   How are we gonna invade and fight 5 wars at the same time now?     Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Utah, and now Arizona.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 10:47 | 3517810 John McCloy
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  Ironic that the 2nd U.S. civil war may be fought to enslave the citizens to fiat currency.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:02 | 3517878 LawsofPhysics
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Spot on.  From iron chains to chains of debt.  Nice work, roll the mother fucking guillotines.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:18 | 3517948 Moe Howard
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Where is the Comité de salut public when you need it, bitchez

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:16 | 3517941 HelluvaEngineer
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The history books will probably say that it was fought to free the "Undocumented Immigrants"

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:47 | 3518475 Kirk2NCC1701
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My 80 y.o. father argued (30 years ago), that: "The US had never abolished 'slavery'.  The US politicians and bankers merely replaced the chains of physical slavery with invisible chains of mental and financial slavery.  1913, 1931 and 1971 were landmark years for this transition."

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 10:50 | 3517814 NidStyles
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Streets closed pizzaboy. You don't want to fight Arizona, we have more guns than you.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 10:52 | 3517844 Dealyer Turdin
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Wed, 05/01/2013 - 10:55 | 3517855 NidStyles
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You seriously think there's no water in Arizona? Silly nubile amatuer. All of our water comes from local sources here.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 10:58 | 3517872 LawsofPhysics
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Something about having some rocky mountains in your state eh?  People really don't understand how math or watersheds really work do they?

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:04 | 3517889 NidStyles
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It would seem so. They must be able to stop gravity as well.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:26 | 3518008 Panafrican Funk...
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There is a general bias to look at Las Vegas as representing "the West", since that's the place most easterners have been.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:45 | 3518164 Thisson
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Well, the Hoover Dam may cease operation in the next 2 years due to water levels being too low.  Once that power source goes offline, it's gonna turn AZ into quite a mess.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 13:32 | 3518704 Temporalist
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It's a good thing it's sunny in the desert.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:51 | 3518198 The Big Ching-aso
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Barry Goldwater woulda been proud of his Aridzonians.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 10:53 | 3517850 The Big Ching-aso
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Hey I think if we invade Iran that may be too much and Arizona will be left alone.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:09 | 3517918 ParkAveFlasher
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"Well we have to invade SOMEBODY." - Every inflationary regime ever.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:11 | 3517913 NotApplicable
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Arizona won't even be allowed to successfully defend its south border, let alone the other three. Screw with TPTB too much, and "their boys" will get all sorts of trouble stirred up down there, leaving you with no choice but to cry "Uncle (Sam)!"

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:41 | 3518100 Ignatius
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Arizona, yes, very independent.  Now imagine that in Russia some powerful and sympathetic  people set up a lobby group (like ACPC - American Committee for Peace in the Caucasus) to support Arizona's independent streak and the founding members are people like Woolsey (CIA), Pearl, Gafney, Ledeen, etc..  They understand Arizona's wish to 'breathe free'.  Don't we all?  Well, that's exactly whats going on in Chechnya (ancestral home of the now infamous Tsarneav brothers) which is a province of Russia.  You know, like a state....

Oh, right, uh we were talking about Arizona wanting to make gold & silver legal tender.  Sure, why not....

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:44 | 3518126 yogibear
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This is proof it's better to have the real thing rather than paper.

How scared would the criminal be if you showed him a paper certificate for a gun?

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:56 | 3518525 KnightTakesKing
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Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:32 | 3518042 GoldForCash
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This time times 5.. We take the spoils of war like Germany was doing..even the Jewish fillings....SICK people out there.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:05 | 3518278 decon
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As a native son of Arizona, good luck with that adventure.  We learned a lot from the mistakes of the Apaches.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 10:46 | 3517802 Kaiser Sousa
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today is the 1st of May...

i expect updates on how many oz's of either form of the only 2 forms of real money all ya'll purchased as a means of resistance today...

begin with the attack on and a rejection of their worthless paper...

the rest we reserve for the appropriate moment...



Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:24 | 3517907 freewolf7
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The tide is coming in...



Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:14 | 3517934 NotApplicable
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All you're doing is to increase the speed of the collapse of the physical market, as this action is but to drain the pool completely. Dealers will not be able to find much product to resupply, as the mints will likely never keep up with demand now.

At that point, why should TPTB care about the fiction of the Comex? A force majure declaration comes next, and the loyal bullion banks of the world are freed from their burden of acting as agents of the US Treasury.


Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:17 | 3517945 markovchainey
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And it's on sale again today...whoo hoo! 

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 10:47 | 3517804 Downtoolong
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"anybody who thinks gold or silver is a really safe place to put your money had better think again"

They still don't get it. Gold and silver aren't a place to put your money; they are money.


Wed, 05/01/2013 - 17:01 | 3519710 Radical Marijuana
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Sure, Downtoolong, the original meaning of the word "money" was metal coins. However, money became more of a claim on resources, rather than a real resource, with intrinsic value in itself. The possession of money, as in the possession of gold and silver, does not actually exist without some public violence to back up that claim of private property. Mostly, I find people tend to presume upon there being some "rule of law" to be the force to back up their possession of money. Those people tend to not think that through ... They especially tend to not think through the paradox of enforcement, that NOBODY GUARDS THE GUARDIANS.

Money is backed by murder. Functional money has no real meaning unless there is some murder to back that money up. Nobody possesses any gold or silver, unless there is some kind of force to back up their claim to own that money.

As DoChenRollingBearings commented in

"Au is my hobby...  Pb is what defends it..."

That problem has become extremely amplified by advances in science and technology! Gold and silver coins, backed by swords and spears, became paper money, backed by rifles and cannons, which then relatively recently became electronic money, backed by atomic bombs. While gold and silver coins had the "Ring of Truth" within them, since they can not be made out of nothing, they are still within the context of energy systems, in which the death controls are what make any debt controls actually workable.

It seems remarkably silly to me that people want to go backwards to "honest money" or "sound money" based on silver and gold, AFTER the conservation of matter has been superseded by the conservation of energy. Lead bullets HAVE been replaced by depleted uranium munitions, which are quite insane, because they are being used inside the old Neolithic Civilization style social pyramid systems, which have become utterly archaic. The old slavery systems were based on "Do what I say, or I will kill you." Those have recently developed into awesomely sophisticated social slavery systems, which are effectively based on threatening to commit omnicide. Our force backed frauds are now poisoning the planet, for thousands of years into the future, in order to accomplish their short-term goals.

It has been PROVEN that matter is a form of energy, and therefore, the conservation of matter is an expression of the conservation of energy. However, the vast majority of people, and therefore, all our established social institutions, are still able to cruise on autopilot, doing the same old things, on astronomically amplified scales, without, so far, having to actually THINK more deeply about what there were doing.

Our physics has gone through PROFOUND PARADIGM SHIFTS, and therefore, our metaphysics should also be updated. However, we have the social inertia and social habits surrounding our established state religion, which is our monetary system, NOT adapting to those new realities. We should have our political science go through PROFOUND PARADIGM SHIFTS. However, by and large, many people want to go backwards, than forwards, and therefore, want to go back to money based on gold and silver.

I find that ridiculously absurd, when the actual global situation is already electronic money, backed by atomic bombs. There is a combined money/murder system, in which "legal tender" only means whatever some force can back up the meaning of. We have way, way, way, more difficult problems now that our murder systems have weapons of mass destruction, which are trillions of times BIGGER than anything before in human history! However, so far, our civilization is still on cruise control, maintaining the established systems of force backed frauds, which have been able to create at least 100 times more electronic money than collateral to back it up, because there are weapons which are at least 100 times more able to commit murder to back that electronic money up ... and that is automatically on a trajectory of exponential growth, to become 1,000 times ...

We have developed thermodynamics to become information theory. We have electronic abilities to use trillions of times more information, and atomic bombs which are trillions of times more destructive, than anything before in human history ... while the same people for who that has suddenly become a reality are still alive, since that has all happened so recently, that it has happened within the life time of people who are still alive today. Therefore, from a practical political point of view, it seems totally futile to bother to point out that "money" should be based on understanding energy systems, not based on the conservation of matter.

The money/murder systems are information/energy systems. Those systems explain how and why warfare selected for the War Kings, who were the best at backing up deceits with destruction, and thereby made and maintained sovereign states, which asserted monopolies over the powers to rob and to kill. Those systems explain how and why the powers of sovereign states were covertly taken over through the application of more of the methods of organized crime, so that the Fraud Kings, the private banks, were able to control civilization.

In that context, it is perhaps cute, but still superficial, nostalgia to want to go backwards to money again based on gold and silver. Sorry, but we are STUCK with electronic money, backed by atomic bombs. We should be going through profound paradigm shifts in political science, and especially in militarism. However, instead, we keep on doubling down on the established systems of force backed frauds ...

There are NO genuine solutions to be found in the nostalgic notions about returning to gold and silver backed money. The real problems with respect to the money systems are no less than the real problems with respect to the murder systems. Asking for an "honest money system" is as paradoxical as asking for an "honest murder system."

The history of triumphant deceit, backed by destruction, is how and why we have the monetary system that exists today. There can be no good resolutions to those problems which do not understand how and why they exist, and which actually provide better ways to accomplish the same necessary purposes. HOWEVER, ALL THOSE PROBLEMS ARE NOW TRILLIONS OF TIMES MORE DIFFICULT TO RESOLVE THAN AT ANY PREVIOUS TIME IN HUMAN HISTORY!

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 10:50 | 3517808 uno
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have to think JPM is not pushing down the PM at this point, could be a SWF or deep pockets forcing the issue.  When silver was 30-40/oz, that was probably an area the morgue could handle.  Down around here it seems the miners are going to be shutting down (if they are truly independent).  Anyone pushing down the price now knows India and China are in all out physical buying mode, cannot see how the morgue benefits from this.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 14:10 | 3518885 Mesquite
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...cannot see how the morgue benefits from this.

Don't think profit (logical) is their motive in this..

Believe they're just henchmen for NWO..

Just an opinion...

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 14:30 | 3519062 Boxed Merlot
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Down around here it seems the miners are going to be shutting down (if they are truly independent)...


That's actually what I think the real purpose for the smackdown is /was.  Buy low / sell high.  These mines are / will be getting snatched up and their reserves will go into the possession of these fiat producers in NY and the legal title will be assured by their cohorts in DC.  Same as it always is / was.  Others do the hard and strenuous work of prospecting, developing and producing only to have the fruits of their efforts confiscated by attorneys, politicians and financiers wielding "laws". 

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 10:47 | 3517809 masaccio
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Yeah! I mean, like screw Art. 1, Sect. 8 of that stupid Constitution. We've got Guns!

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 10:50 | 3517815 Dr. Engali
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"He also pointed to the recent decline in the value of gold - which sank to $1,321.35 per ounce on April 16, its lowest price in more than two years - noting that "anybody who thinks gold or silver is a really safe place to put your money had better think again."


Yeah and we saw what the  drop in the paper markets caused in the physical world.
Wed, 05/01/2013 - 10:52 | 3517827 DosZap
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"anybody who thinks gold or silver is a really safe place to put your money had better think again"

THEY had better check the facts, 2 dimes in 47 bought a gallon of gas,same 2 dimes does same today.How many fiat dollars does it take, or modern dmes?

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:42 | 3518136 Meat Hammer
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99% of the population have no idea what you're talking about.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:06 | 3518271 Rustysilver
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Meat Hammer,

Is it that the biggest fuckin problem?

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 08:57 | 3521821 Long_Xau
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"But but... whatever! We are the 99%!" - the 99% that you're talking about

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 10:50 | 3517829 22winmag
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So my solid silver Maple Leafs are persona non grata in Arizona?

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 10:53 | 3517833 writingsonthewall
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"anybody who thinks gold or silver is a really safe place to put your money had better think again,"

They don't get it do they - it's your WEALTH you put into Gold and Silver - not your MONEY. Your MONEY is becoming worth-less on a daily basis.

Funny to watch the FIAT fools claim that the fall in the paper gold price constitutes a 'bad investment' - but having dollars which halve in value every few years is 'A-OK!"

I say - let them keep their stinkin money

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:03 | 3517882 semperfi
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What these arrogant condescending muthafuckas don't get is the muthafucking law, the big law, named The Constitution of the United States of America, that REQUIRES GOLD & SILVER BE THE ONLY MONEY USED IN THE USA.  HELL-FUCKING-LO?  If these muthafuckas what to ignore choice laws then lets dance - I can ignore laws that aren't convenient to me just as good as they can - such as post-term abortion - there's a bunch of politicians who need to be aborted since they are an inconvenience to me, an undue burden - need to be aborted, post-term.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:20 | 3517942 Kaiser Sousa
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thats what the fuck im talking about...

"got to wear a seatbelt....." - FUCK YOU...

"cant have this gun or that ammo..." - FUCK YOU...

"gotta pay tribute to the fucking bankers via INCOME TAX..." - FUCK YOU...




Wed, 05/01/2013 - 15:42 | 3519408 auric1234
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Has someone tried to bring this to court?

If I lived in the USA, I would.


Wed, 05/01/2013 - 10:53 | 3517836 PaperBear
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Whenever I read the part of the Constitution for the united states of America that says 'make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts', I wonder how 'this note is legal tender for all debts, public and private' on the non-federal non-reserve is not in conflict.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:12 | 3517925 Sockeye
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I don't get how debt settles debt either.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:19 | 3517952 NotApplicable
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I think it's that since "we all owe it to each other" vs. "I owe you directly," it's a "superior" form of debt. So superior in fact, that 99% of the people don't even realize it's only an IOU!


Wed, 05/01/2013 - 10:51 | 3517837 americanspirit
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I have one credit card - low rates, & I keep it paid off. They just sent me some checks that I can use to buy anything I want (real friendly folks, aren't they), and the balance will bear an interest rate of 1.9% for a year, then goes to 8.5%. So, I'm sitting here thinking that maybe I'll just write a check up to my credit limit and buy silver eagles. Anybody else think that silver is going to be at least 1.9% higher a year from now?

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:22 | 3517976 HulkHogan
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You need it to go up 12%. 5% to buy, 5% to sell, then make 2% to pass the interest rate. Do you think silver will end up over $26 before the end of the year?

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 16:59 | 3519703 americanspirit
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Good point Hulk - I know a dealer who always pays spot on silver, so no 5% to sell and no shipping, although you're right about the 5% premium to buy. So 7% not 12%. Either way - I will have a year, not until the end of this year, and yes I do think silver will be above $26 by next May 1st. Way above. Whatever it is, I'll sell enough to pay off the card and stack the rest. Or I'll just hang out, pay the higher card rate, and sell when I'm ready. Or maybe just declare bankruptcy. Assets? What assets your honor?

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 10:57 | 3517857 semperfi
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The Gov hasn't signed it yet - not yet law...

"Arizona Becomes 2nd State To Make Gold & Silver Legal Tender"
Wed, 05/01/2013 - 10:55 | 3517859 Son of Loki
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I have read about two companies there that advertise to pay your bills in gold or silver instead of doillars....gonna get interesting.....

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:52 | 3518491 Kirk2NCC1701
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References/links please.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 10:58 | 3517860 Confundido
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Wed, 05/01/2013 - 10:58 | 3517861 robertocarlos
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I thought buying a whole city block for one gold coin was just a story. Dibs on that hockey rink in Glendale.



Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:01 | 3517870 gbresnahan
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In 1970 (picked randomly), 36 US dollars could buy you one ounce of gold and the S&P was at around 84.

Today it takes over 1400 US dollars to buy one ounce of gold and the S&P is at nearly 1600.

So over that 43 year period
$36 in cash would've stayed $36 in cash
1 ounce of gold would've gone up 39 times its value
1 "S&P" would've gone up 19 times its value

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 14:16 | 3518959 Boxed Merlot
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In 1964 a gallon of gasoline cost 30 cents.  If you used the same 3 dimes today, it would be equivilent to over 5.00 frn / sandwich coin stock.  With gas currently under 4.00 frn, energy prices are actually less than they were before LBJ's advent of the great society. 

As an aside, I was struck earlier today as I was emptying coins from my pocket and noticed the absence of the usual metal sound, it's a weird, dull, almost plastic or wood sound to the stuff now.  The word that immediately came to mind was debasement.  Hiding in plain sight. 

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 15:39 | 3519391 auric1234
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You're making the mistake of using the USD as a measure for value. Your example precisely proves that this is not the case.


Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:03 | 3517885 robertocarlos
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Double post.



Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:02 | 3517891 fonzannoon
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These guys are going for the big gold takedown again today? $1200 here we come? I did not think they had it in them.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:11 | 3517917 freewolf7
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All in. Show time.

(Buy physical.)

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:40 | 3518101 semperfi
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When you have the means to print as much paper as you need, and the means to change/ignore any law any way you need any time you need, then there's no limit to what you can do (within the laws of physics).

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:42 | 3518133 IridiumRebel
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Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:57 | 3518215 Moe Howard
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I need it to be one actual thousand federal no reserve notes illegal tender for debts pubic and privates.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:08 | 3518294 Quinvarius
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They don't have it in them.  The people that are short now are the "sucker class".

And they are impossibly over short.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:10 | 3517922 Rustysilver
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So, if the states make it legal, how can the feds make it illegal: bigger guns?

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 15:35 | 3519380 auric1234
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They don't have to. As long as their paper shit is legal tender, anyone can settle a contract using paper.


Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:22 | 3517946 yogibear
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It's the paper shufflers vs the real thing war.  Selling 10 titles for one car and selling to 10 different buyers. 

This is what the banksters do. Eventually all 10 want their car.

Normally this is a con and the people doing this would go to jail or killed by the buyers.


Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:42 | 3518112 IridiumRebel
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No shit. Fuck Connecticut. We leave in 2 months. I hope the whole state fuckin folds. The way those libtards in control are running things, shouldn't be long now. They get no more of my money. 

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:10 | 3518303 Quinvarius
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People may laugh.  But they are going to start passing laws like that regarding stocks.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 13:02 | 3518523 Kirk2NCC1701
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Friends, I repeat:  If you have to leave a check on deposit for back-ordering PM at bullion dealers (given the price smack-downs), you ARE leaving a clear paper trail to you.  Same hold true for online purchases (Credit, Debit, Paypal...), unless you use BTC.

My suggestion is to given them cash, or ask them to hold the check until the bullion arrives and you then pay in cash (and get the check back).  Or use BTC.  Both take fiat out of the system.  Checks do not.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:38 | 3518086 Paracelsus
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   The Feds raided one of the last legal Pot dispensaries here in South Cali.Haven't they got something more important to do like surf net porn? The important thing about Ponzi schemes is to know when to fold the tent and move on before the natives get restless. Shouldn't the FED have taken this advice a while ago?I think the guys in DC have forgotten the most basic rule for small-town America: the rule of law extends to the county line.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:55 | 3518208 Buckaroo Banzai
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Legalized pot ---> less $$ to be laundered ---> less profits for wall street banks, every single one of which makes billions of dollars per year laundering money.

Also, a shit-ton of illegal $$$ finds its way into municipal bonds. You think anyone in the CA state gov't wants to cut off that money flow?

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 14:36 | 3519100 Cathartes Aura
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it's the loop-hole that works in their favour - complete with full confiscaton laws.

why folks have yet to see through this is beyond me.

as long as the States are under Fed law, THEY can do what they like to their sheep. . .

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 11:44 | 3518128 Meatier Shower
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"anybody who thinks gold or silver is a really safe place to put your money had better think again."

That's some stupid shit right there.

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