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Just Two 'Recession' Indicators

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Monday's income and spending (and implicitly 'saving') data provided plenty of fodder at the headline level for any and every opinion. We explained in great detail just how weak the data really was (here and here). But the following two charts suggest that any optimism of organic consumption-led exuberance is completely misplaced. Retail sales of clothing is growing at the slowest pace since 2010; but while major store sales are about to drop negative YoY for the first time in over 3 years, the utter collapse in general merchandise sales is worse that at the peak of the last recession at -5%. It seems tough to see how a nation with an economy built on 70% consumption is not in a recessionary environment. And while this alone is a dismal signal for the discretionary upside of the US economy/consumer; as Gluskin Sheff's David Rosenberg points out real personal income net of transfer receipts plunged at a stunning 5.8% annual rate in Q1. The other seven times we have seen such a collapse, the economy was either in recession of just coming out of one. But apart from that, everything is fine...

 

Retail Sales collapsing...

 

and absent the might of the US deficit, real personal income is also collapsing...

 

Charts: Bloomberg and Gluskin Sheff

 

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Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:16 | 3518325 Stoploss
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Bonds concur.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:31 | 3518394 Ruffcut
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I have my own recession real time indicator. BFMW 2/50

2 Cases of Beer in the fridge and 50 bucks in my wallet. Can't go beyond any other fundamentals because they just aren't real.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 13:18 | 3518624 BraveSirRobin
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Let's see, the Ben Bernank has hand - a left hand and a right hand. Why does he not het a second computer and hold down the "ZERO" key on that one as well. He can double the money creation rate and save us all.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:14 | 3518329 I Am Not a Copp...
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Depression Bitchez!

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:41 | 3518437 somecallmetimmah
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Try not to think of it as a"depression".

It's more like a no-money-back guarantee for an unsolicited diet plan!

Feel better?

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:17 | 3518330 uno
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"the economy was either in recession of just coming out of one"

luckily we are in a depression, so no chance of that

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:22 | 3518369 midtowng
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That explains why the job market is so tight right now.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:29 | 3518389 camaro68ss
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But but but, Obama saved and or created 2 million jobs.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:32 | 3518414 Political_Savage
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Seriously - there must be SOME sort of positive news out there!?!

I love ZH and how it debunks the sell-side euphoria.

But I'm beginning to wonder if the one-sided argument isn't masking some data. Are we potentially blinding ourselves of anything?

I just gotta ask... there's got to be something that keeps the masses happy right now and out of revolt, besides good old ignorance.

What am I missing!?!? Why am I the only one in panic mode when I'm at a party and I see everyone laughing and having a good time, like they don't see what is coming.

Am I paranoid or something? Seriously!

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:37 | 3518428 camaro68ss
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Hey, your the crazy doomer at the block party too huh? I thought i was the only one. This is what QE does. Everything is fine until its not.

Enjoy life, your going to miss these days soon enough....

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:52 | 3518490 Ruffcut
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Seriously you must live a life of DUALITY .

The best news you can do will only come from you. YOu forget that parties usually have alcohol to ease the pain. Have a few and move on.

The only thing you can do is not play into these assholes fear mongering. Get comfortably numb and get a good dog.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:57 | 3518516 camaro68ss
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I get comfortably numb daily now and its only getting me fat. hahaha.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:37 | 3518430 fonzannoon
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I stopped getting invited to parties.

 

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:46 | 3518452 Political_Savage
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I seriously can't talk about the markets when I'm out anymore. A small conversation turns into a rant where I can't stop listing the other shoes to drop.

What really freaks me out is when I talk to other people in the industry and they look at my with glazed eyes, like they don't get it. One of the guys manages a huge pension fund's high-yield portfolio! I couldn't get him past "spreads."

A key expample was when Cyprus hit the tape initially. I was out for drinks that Sat night with friends and I mentioned it... nobody knew about it or cared.

I described the transfer mechanism from Cyprus, to Europe, to Russia, then the macro impact on basic bank accounts... crickets!

I just ordered a double and shut the fuck up.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:49 | 3518468 fonzannoon
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just change the conversation to world events....

 

nevermind...

polotics?

nevermind.

do you have kids? My kid is smarter than your kid always eats up half the night by me.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:54 | 3518499 Political_Savage
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First kid is on the way - 8 short weeks away.

Hope to drown myself in that and avoid the rest of it all.

New focus in life - protect daugher. Prepare all yee who feel the need to challenge... I won't stop and know no bounds

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:58 | 3518541 schnydz
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Yeah, had my first kid in '09. Also lost my job a month before. I had no interest what so ever in markets and politics until that dismal year. Fortunate/Unfortunate for me I've became more concern and more so now because of my kids and their future. 

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 14:15 | 3518955 Jumbotron
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"Yeah, had my first kid in '09. Also lost my job a month before. I had no interest what so ever in markets and politics until that dismal year. Fortunate/Unfortunate for me I've became more concern and more so now because of my kids and their future. "

 

Been there done that.  Lost a business, then lost the house I had (not even trying to flip...wanted to stay forever )...and ended up homeless with 5 kids for 7 months.  Back on my feet now...but took 2 hard years.

The Matrix has been revealed to me.....never going back.  But something about me is lost.....and am just trying to teach the kids a thing or two about the real world.  Don't won't them to get fooled like I did.  ZeroHedge actually helps with that.

Hang in there 'bro.....

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 13:03 | 3518572 camaro68ss
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I feel your pain man. the information we provide takes years for the average person to understand and process the eventual local and global effects.

I just dont talk about it anymore, not even with my prepper friends. We know the outcomes where as ready as we can be and we just wait for all the shoes to drop. until then, we live life the best we can.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 13:08 | 3518585 somecallmetimmah
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Friendly advice: If you haven't done so already, buy a firearm & learn how to use it.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 13:24 | 3518664 Political_Savage
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Sold out - strangley

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:49 | 3518472 SMG
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Well you tried to help and warn people.  That's worth something.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 13:35 | 3518742 Cardiodoc
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I'm not in the industry and it's still all I can think about and struggle not to talk about...  There's a vague awareness shared by occasional random individuals but it's like I'm wearing a different pair of glasses which give me a view of the world that's radically different than the people around me.... I guess that's why I'm deep in the bowels of Zerohedge, parastalsing among the disparately disenfranchised: on the specturm from disgustingly bemused to quietly panicked; hopeless to hostile.  I think I need a 12 step program and a bowl of hopium.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 14:40 | 3519104 StychoKiller
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Hmm...They Live!

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 14:07 | 3518867 northerngirl
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I don't even try to have conversations with those that see the world through, "Rose", colored glasses.  That includes many of my welfare dependent relatives.  I have lost many friends, but at the same time I have made many new ones.  The great thing about that is my new friends are true friends we do not agree 100% on everything, but when it comes to the important issues in life we understand each other.  That is all that matters.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 14:57 | 3519193 Go Tribe
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Sell those glazed over sheeple a bridge or two.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:52 | 3518483 McMolotov
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The TeeVee tells everyone that everything's fine. I think it really is that simple.

I remember learning back in junior high about the different kinds of advertising. One of them was the "bandwagon technique." If a person is told the masses are doing something, he or she will have to fight instinct not to join in with the herd. Unfortunately, it's human nature to conform, and no one wants to be the odd one out. The message is "If you can't feel that everything's ok, there must be something wrong with you."

Those who fight the instinct to conform really are the weirdos because they deviate from the norm. But being different doesn't mean being wrong.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 13:58 | 3518840 noless
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although herd mentality is instinctual, so is the drive to not be. the ones who can successfully live life without following the herd are called leaders. it's more difficult to determine direction without anyone obstructing your vision of whats ahead, but again, herd mentality, most will just follow whoever steps up front, as long as everyone else is.

it's the same reason why women are attracted to "rebels", whether or not they are actually rebelling against anything at all.

 

i've posted this before: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU8DDYz68kM

 

seriously though, look at how wolves, wild dogs, chimps, gorillas, bonobos, elephants, cows, etc et al, structure their societies; any herd , tribe, or pack animal, bonus points for primates and omnivores, we are not all that different, we just got lucky with the thumbs and posture.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:54 | 3518501 schnydz
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Well, you could've taken the blue pill. Ignorance is bliss ay?

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:54 | 3518513 Political_Savage
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True

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 13:23 | 3518678 oklaboy
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Savage: I know were you are coming from. When I ask my cadre, one year ago I was a doomer. Abot half of them have awoken, the other half are oblivious, and have no clue. 90% of the general population just wants there free stuff, cell phones, and when is the next pro player who is gay to come out. Let me guess, there are lesbians in the LPGA????  OMG noooooooo 

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 13:48 | 3518798 Mrmojorisin515
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@politicalSavage

Because you've only been reading for 17 weeks, it takes at least two years just to come to terms with this shit.  I reacted the same way as you back in 2008, now i've learned to love the bomb ;)

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 15:35 | 3519362 chunkylover42
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I have the same experience as you.  My hope is that people have come to focus on the really important things in their life - family, friends, good health, etc.

Then I come to my senses and realize they are just delusional from all the hookers and blow of the last 4 years.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:43 | 3518443 somecallmetimmah
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"But but but, Obama saved and or created 2 million jobs."

He DID.  Not 'here', but....

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:51 | 3518493 Tombstone
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He sure did; in China, Mexico and Cuba.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 13:19 | 3518638 BraveSirRobin
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I thought we were in a drepression going into a recession.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 13:39 | 3518762 Meatier Shower
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Obviously we are just coming out of a recession. Durr...

</sarc>

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:17 | 3518332 SheepDog-One
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Retail consumer sheeple are dead? Uh-oh....well at least we've got a homo in the NBA.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:35 | 3518403 camaro68ss
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Im so scared for this country right now. The media focuses on a 3rd string NBA man coming out of the closet as the world burns in QE *

Little 15 year old girls can now NUKE there Uterus with the morning after pill at will with out a doctor to supervise, that shit can fuck you up, what is this world coming too?

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:47 | 3518473 Zer0head
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not to worry even after all these centuries remnants of Babylon still survive

or take a trip to Rome and you can see the vesitiges of another great civilization

the permanence that so many take for granted is just an illusion and one day in the not so distant future when you (we) are dust perhaps there will be someone or something musing about some place they called america

 

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:56 | 3518512 Ness.
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17 people shot and 3 dead in less than 12 hours in Chicago yesterday... on a Tuesday night.  WTF?  

At least three people were killed and 17 wounded in shootings across Chicago overnight as the city saw its warmest weather in seven months. In one of the fatal shootings, three men were shot in a parking lot across the street from the headquarters of the UIC Police Department, police said. 

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 13:00 | 3518560 somecallmetimmah
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Yeah, you know what we call that in Chicago?

"Tuesday"

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 13:18 | 3518645 BraveSirRobin
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At least they have strict gun control in Chicago. Think what would happen if they let peoplehave guns!

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:15 | 3518334 Smuckers
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All this means buy AAPL.....right?

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:18 | 3518337 Longtermnotreally
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We might as well just ignore all economic data, has no impact whatsoever on the markets, living the lie

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:15 | 3518342 UK debt marsh
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Yes, but if you turn those charts upside down, all is well.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 13:46 | 3518769 NoDebt
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True enough.  And if the Queen had balls she'd be the King.  So, it's all good.

Love the screen name, by the way.  Do you have an evil twin named "UK Death March"?

You would know if you ever saw him because he would look just like you but have a gotee.  Now, if YOU have a gotee then guess what that makes you?  Yes.  That.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:17 | 3518349 Cdad
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Four years and trillions of wasted dollars...and our great RECOVERY is still somewhere off the right side of the charts.  

Thank you, Ben Bernanke, for this wasteland you have made for us.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:30 | 3518407 kahunabear
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The arrogance of the Fed is what shocks me the most. You have the two biggest bond managers, Bill Gross and Jeffrey Gundlach saying QE is a mistake, yet the academicians at the Fed don't even acknowledge them and proceed on with the great Keynesian experiment. It is not just a wacko tinfolier thing.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:47 | 3518479 Law97
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Ah, but the top 1% are trillions of dollars wealthier.  Mission Being Accomplished.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:17 | 3518352 LostPolarBear
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Bullish!

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:20 | 3518353 Cognitive Dissonance
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Move along. This is not the recession you're looking for.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 14:47 | 3519139 RockyRacoon
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Sorry to see Bill Buckler abandon ship.  At least I have ZH to help keep the canoe stocked with PMs.  Damn thing keeps tipping over and I lose so much that way....

Cheers!

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:18 | 3518354 rubearish10
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Still doesn't matter does it?

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:18 | 3518357 jim249
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Bullish for AMZN.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:37 | 3518425 gamera9
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It's JC Penny's fault they ruined it for everyone.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:19 | 3518358 Smegley Wanxalot
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Who needs personal income growth when ya gotz da EBT baaaeebeee!

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:22 | 3518359 Doubleguns
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Summer cloths buying, once its over cloths sales with catch "up", so to speak, with gen merchandise. 

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:23 | 3518364 firstdivision
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QE^2 will be the Fed purchasing crap at Wal-Mart

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:22 | 3518371 fonzannoon
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My wife dragged me into old navy last week. She took me to the clearance section and told me to get some shirts. I walked over and found 4-5 shirts that I have no problem being seen in for like $2 each.

People were all over the racks. The rest of the store...nothing doing.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:26 | 3518381 buzzsaw99
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I noticed the smart clothing retailers know there is a depression on and are selling at cost to get the most $ they can. The others aren't selling squat.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:36 | 3518421 Cognitive Dissonance
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Mrs. Cog and I have noticed over the last few months that various stores across the spectrum are not restocking as quickly. Lots of bare and semi bare shelf sections. A classic sign of squeezing out that last drop of profit before the plunge. 

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:55 | 3518520 seek
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It's pretty well documented that Walmart is doing this in particular, thanks to the February memo and subsequent exit of the writer of said memo.

I see the same, even in my grocery store now, and I'm in one of the higher income zip codes in my state. I don't think it speaks to the particular store so much as the suppliers sending out fewer stockers less regularly. The most predictable gaps seem to be higher end boutique foods, like pita bread and specialty drinks.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 14:49 | 3519165 RockyRacoon
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I keep a shopping list handy for an emergency run to Sam's -- if/when the time comes.  Along with a nice sized batch of $20 bills for payment.   The list has items on it that will be needed when the shelves start getting bare.  Or, stuff I can use for barter that have long shelf-lives.  Ya just never know....

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 14:52 | 3519169 Shizzmoney
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This really all ties into NeoLiberalism and NAFTA/GATT.  This was a great article on how the "race to the bottom", while refereed by the owners of capital, are really run by the consumers:

Even small price increases in the name of better worker safety would be enough to turn away some shoppers, including American exchange student Shannon Atwell. The 21-year-old spent $18.50 on a dress, sunglasses and handbag at Primark last week. “I didn’t buy a ($20) dress because I thought it was too much,” she said. “If prices went up I wouldn’t buy from here.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/shoppers-want-bargains-bu...

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:25 | 3518375 buzzsaw99
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long goodwill and soup kitchens [/not advice]

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:36 | 3518422 ParkAveFlasher
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I'm seeing Goodwill's suppliers starting to keep their inventory to themselves, I'd go short there.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:50 | 3518488 Zer0head
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with due respect Goodwill ain't the bargain shop most think it is, in fact the shit in their stores is in many cases way overpriced - I used to drop stuff off all the time but when I discovered just how much they are reselling it for I said screw that and now just post a curb alert on Craigs list -- (I also check Craig for curb alerts as well  - people put some good shit out on the side of the road)

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 13:17 | 3518634 ParkAveFlasher
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My contrary call stands then.  Hey, this is easy.  Is this day trading?  /s

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 13:17 | 3518643 schnydz
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heh, inflation.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:23 | 3518376 1C3-N1N3
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Consumers are buying "services" now. Goods were so last decade.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 14:57 | 3519194 Shizzmoney
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It's so true - even happening in video games.

http://t.co/ovaLX5gBHz

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:28 | 3518384 IridiumRebel
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So when does the Dow turn green? 3PM? God knows this is bad for gold and silver because they are so tied to retail and income. Let's just ramp up QE to 150 bil a month. That should lead to more Asian manufactured clothing sold to "We the Plebes".

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:28 | 3518396 fonzannoon
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I sure hope we get some vault update or something today. Gold down $30 before Ben blows more QE out his ass. I'd love to see what's going on in the phyz market.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:33 | 3518417 IridiumRebel
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i bought the dip.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:30 | 3518392 jtz5
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This market is going to shit itself after 2pm Fed folly...

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:35 | 3518412 fonzannoon
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Well you know Ben has the jobs report. If I had to put in an early guess....the fed today sounds strangely hawkish...anf tomorrow the number is a surprise blowout. MSM runs around all day screaming that he is a genius for being hawkish and the jobs number backs him up....not like he had the fucking report beforehand or something...

Then we go back to the ending of QE talk.

Unless it's worse than we even know and Bernank mentions doubling down...Then stocks rally and gold stays down as the vaults are emptied at an even faster clip.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 13:34 | 3518621 Ham-bone
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action in copper recently and today says Ben's about to do something un-Ben like...take some air out of the balloon?  Russell looks pissed...1% 10yr coming up?

Curious if PM's have signalled this ahead of time..and could be flat on the "news" and start rising now for the next round of pumping as Ben sez the opposite?

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:28 | 3518398 NEOSERF
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Really is amazing to think where this economy would be if the Fed wasn't continuing to dump free money into the banks and buying up all our own debt (how is this even legal?).  With every country in the world desperate to have someone buy their bonds to fund their malinvestment, how do any Central Banks ever walk away from QE...can't happen.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 13:11 | 3518609 bnbdnb
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Printing 6% of GDP, for 1% growth = winning.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:32 | 3518401 The Dancer
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In my world you'd be a big time spender...I was in Sandpoint this past summer and went to a yard sale...if ya wait till the end the people often are desperate to get rid of their stuff...the sweet lady handed me a big paper bag and said to fill it up for a dollar...and I did...you wouldn't believe what I got for the sum of $1US...practically new Nike sandals, shirts, pants,shorts...made me feel like Jesse James for a few minutes...

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:32 | 3518402 autofixer
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Have TPTB squeezed the last drops out of this system and it is now okay to let it collapse? 

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:33 | 3518406 rosiescenario
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My take from viewing these 2 charts: the consumer has run out of credit, which quite surprisingly means that reduced income actually results in lower purchases. Not to worry, the central planners will fix that....we have student loans, home loans, why can't the government get into a new area of loans? For example, if you earn less than $50k per year and are already in debt up to your eye balls, we're here to help....you now qualify for a Federally guaranteed loan of $100k provided the money is spent rapidly on things sold at Walmart.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:33 | 3518408 gamera9
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Recession is such an ugly tern perhaps, prosperity reduction would work. You can thank me later AP.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:54 | 3518514 nantucket
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how about "Forward: Back To Prosperity, Comrades"

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:33 | 3518410 HD
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But...but POMO is going to fix it.  We only need to believe moar harder.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:32 | 3518415 sbenard
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I"m convinced the increase in spending on services was due to Americans having to pay for tax prep "services" to keep the IRS wolves at bay. :(

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:35 | 3518429 The Dancer
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i just had a thought...what if they decided to let reality set in before BarakaDoc exits stage right so as to give the next so-called President have some leeway in approaching the problems we face...

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:38 | 3518434 fonzannoon
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Nah

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:39 | 3518436 JayKitsap
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Tyler-

Where is your optimism - we are told that Recovery Summer IV is a Blockbuster and will do as well as the Chain with that name.  Everything is just fine and really rolling because they are rolling and smoking a lot of Hopium.

The Fed is buying Bank debt by the boatload but only big banks.  The local and regional banks are shut out and can only lend to those that do not need money.  But people are buying houses and building houses so my business is better, but I cannot understand why anyone would today.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:41 | 3518446 Ponzi Pontiff
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Aren't recessions bullish though?

BTW, wtf is up with gold and silver?  I can almost set my watch by the smackdown they get at LON close / NY open.  That doesnt mean I understand it though - can anybody enlighten me and hopefully I'll learn something?

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:42 | 3518451 Yen Cross
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    If it weren't for EBT and SNAP, we would have been living in smoldering piles of rubble, a long time ago!

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 13:29 | 3518703 Herd Redirectio...
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EBT, SNAP and Monday Night Football/ DWTS / "Reality TV'

Bread and circuses

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:52 | 3518504 nantucket
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it's impossible to predict when it will collapse.  could be month to years away.  i can't choose when i'll die, but i'll damn sure choose the hill upon which to die.

 

actually, i have no idea what that all means, but i heard it from a really smart guy.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 12:57 | 3518533 Tombstone
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Benny now must decide how much more QE to plug into the system.  He needs to cover the following: recession, welfare, Europe, Japan, too big to fail banks, housing, Social Security, Medicare, O'bummer phones, food stamps, Obummercare, Volt car loans, green energyless energy loans, and the coming China real-estate blow up.  QE needs to be ramped up to $300 billion/month.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 13:05 | 3518568 The Dancer
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Thses problems will not go away for a very long time...if ever in our lifetime...jmho

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 13:07 | 3518591 andyupnorth
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Demographics Bitchez!

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 13:19 | 3518633 BullyBearish
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Remember the HOPE thingy...How Our Prosperity Ends

 

I'm so glad IBD yesterday went to: UPTREND RESUMES!!

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 13:28 | 3518696 projanitor
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Waiting for THE bull market:
http://traumprojekt.org/content/labyrinth

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 13:35 | 3518740 WTF_247
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Yet another indicator and RTH and other retailers continue soaring higher.  If spending is declining the opposite should be occurring.  But in the new normal, any and all news is good.  All you need is a release for the sector or a major player.  The algos net buy anything.  I am not even sure why they bother having an article or commentary or numbers.  Just put a symbol or sector with any headline. The rest does not matter.  Algos just need a focus for buying.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 13:37 | 3518754 ebworthen
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The second bubble Bernanke has blown with our tax dollars and our progeny's future debt (pain and suffering for the sake of the banksters) is clear to see - unless you are a blind delusional Krugmanite.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 14:44 | 3519128 Shizzmoney
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"But PMI is over 50!!11111" - NeoKeynesians(and some statist Austrians).

Lak over at ECRI has pointed to this for a few months now.  Too bad the government doesn't use these "indicators" for recessions.

Sir James Goldsmith called all of this back in 1994, BTW:

http://t.co/KYJs8KkWVf

 

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