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China Crosses 'Line Of Actual Control' With Stealth Invasion Of India

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Whether this is just a 'misunderstanding' or a land-grab to make up for Japan's Senkaku actions, the Indians are claiming that a platoon of Chinese soldiers have crossed the so-called 'Line of Actual Control' in the Indian-held Ladakh region. They have remained there for two weeks and even as India complains, the Chinese deny, saying that they are "firmly opposed to any acts that involve crossing the Line of Actual Control and sabotaging the status quo." Indian officials fear that if they react with force, the face-off could escalate into a battle. But doing nothing would leave a Chinese outpost deep in territory India has ruled since independence. "If they have come 19 kilometers into India, it is not a minor LAC violation. It is a deliberate military operation. And even as India protests, more tents have come up," said one analyst but the Indians are rattling other sabres. China is India's biggest trading partner, with bilateral trade heavily skewed in China's favor, crossing $75 billion in 2011. Politicians are demanding Chinese imports are banned, "the Chinese have to learn that such aggression cannot be delinked from trade." Most are baffled by Beijing's motives, since its actions could force India to move closer to Beijing's biggest rival, the United States; though perhaps bringing that closer is just the point.

 

Via Yahoo,

The platoon of Chinese soldiers slipped across the boundary into India in the middle of the night, according to Indian officials. They were ferried across the bitterly cold moonscape in Chinese army vehicles, then got out to traverse a dry creek bed with a helicopter hovering overhead for protection.

 

They finally reached their destination and pitched a tent in the barren Depsang Valley in the Ladakh region, a symbolic claim of sovereignty deep inside Indian-held territory. So stealthy was the operation that India did not discover the incursion until a day later, Indian officials said.

 

China denies any incursion, but Indian officials say that for two weeks, the soldiers have refused to move back over the so-called Line of Actual Control that divides Indian-ruled territory from Chinese-run land, leaving the government on the verge of a crisis with its powerful northeastern neighbor.

 

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"If they have come 19 kilometers into India, it is not a minor LAC violation. It is a deliberate military operation. And even as India protests, more tents have come up," said Sujit Dutta, a China specialist at the Jamia Milia Islamia university in New Delhi.

 

"Clearly, the Chinese are testing India to see how far they can go," he said.

 

That is not China's stated view.

 

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said Thursday that Chinese troops had been carrying out normal patrols and had not crossed the boundary.

 

"China is firmly opposed to any acts that involve crossing the Line of Actual Control and sabotaging the status quo," she said at a daily briefing in Beijing as she was repeatedly questioned about the dispute.

 

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Local army commanders from both sides have held three meetings over the crisis, according to Indian officials. India's foreign secretary called in the Chinese ambassador to register a strong protest. Yet the troops did not move, and even pitched a second tent, Indian officials said.

 

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"China realizes that India has a weak government, and a prime minister who is powerless," said Yashwant Sinha, a former foreign minister from the opposition Bharatiya Janata Party.

 

He demanded a stronger response. "A bully will back off the moment it realizes that it's dealing with a country which will not submit to its will," Sinha said.

 

... demanding India retaliate by barring Chinese imports.

 

China is India's biggest trading partner, with bilateral trade heavily skewed in China's favor, crossing $75 billion in 2011.

 

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"The Chinese have to learn that such aggression cannot be delinked from trade," Dutta said.

 

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Analysts said they were baffled by Beijing's motives, since its actions could force India to move closer to Beijing's biggest rival, the United States.

 

"The Chinese for some reason don't seem able to see that," said Joshi.

 

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The stand-off may eventually be resolved diplomatically, "but what it really shows is the PLA's contempt for our military capability," former Indian navy chief Sushil Kumar wrote in The Indian Express newspaper.

 

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Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:12 | 3523527 idea_hamster
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How can you cross the "Line of Actual Control"?

Once you control the other side of the line, isn't that under your "actual control"?

 

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:15 | 3523534 prains
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did the soldiers bring their rotisserie babies?

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:20 | 3523545 SemperFord
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"They were ferried across the bitterly cold moonscape in Chinese army vehicles"

I am sure this was simple Chinese driver error, I mean have you driven around Asian communities?

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:20 | 3523563 Pladizow
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Perhaps -_- wanted some curry?

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:27 | 3523596 akak
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We are not wanting for you Chineses to be doing the blobbing-up of Indian territories!  You are all very stupid and greedy peoples who should be doing the leaving right away!

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:27 | 3523603 The Juggernaut
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"could force India to move closer to Beijing's biggest rival, the United States"  So... US Troops dressed in Chinese military garb?

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:31 | 3523622 Buckaroo Banzai
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Pfft, the Chinese are pikers.

The Mexicans began crossing the US "line of control" 40 years ago in the greatest land invasion in history. Call me after 30 million Chinese have made their way into India, and THEN it'll be news.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:50 | 3523707 insanelysane
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Damn GPS's made in China don't work for shit.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:52 | 3523724 Manthong
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Where is most of the gold?

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:01 | 3523762 redpill
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"Yet the troops did not move, and even pitched a second tent, Indian officials said."

 

Well if it lasts for more than four hours, you should definitely call a doctor.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:08 | 3523794 Manthong
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if it wasn't for the killer clap,

you might want to call a hooker.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:16 | 3523826 krispkritter
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If it was so stealthy that the Chinese didn't know they were there for more than a day; how did they know they came over at night, crossed a dry creek bed, and had a helicopter overhead?  Oh, I get it, the CIA tipped them off via Yahoo...gotcha.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:31 | 3523886 redpill
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Dear India,

 

Have fun!

 

Love,

Tibet

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:38 | 3523914 true brain
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Dear India:

Please ask Vietnam for help. They know how to deal with the Chinese. After hundreds of battles with China, they know how to handle the Chins.

 

Sincerely,

 

Interested Observer.

Fri, 05/03/2013 - 02:53 | 3525584 Scarlett
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they're stretching us thin so we can't go rape Iran; +1 for them

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:19 | 3523817 akak
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"Yet the troops did not move, and even pitched a second tent, Indian officials said."

I wonder if the Chinese needed to use some tiger penis, cobra bile or bear gall bladders in order to pitch that tent.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:44 | 3523933 TheFourthStooge-ing
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I wonder if the Chinese needed to use some tiger penis, cobra bile or bear gall bladders in order to pitch that tent.

Helicopter will also transported sharkfin soup plentifully much the dangdang.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:21 | 3523845 smlbizman
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i wonder if they are going to accept the offer of made in china trinkets for the taj mahl....and a silver lining, they will get to operate tax free casinos...

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:03 | 3523773 whotookmyalias
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They don't like the term "Mexicans", they prefer "Future Democrat voters". Won't matter if we ever get voter ID laws becasue if they don't have citizenship, they will at least have driver's licenses and in-state tuition rates.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 17:01 | 3524002 Buckaroo Banzai
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"Has America ever had another "top cop" less interested in detecting or thwarting entire classes of lawbreakers?"

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 21:53 | 3524978 mjcOH1
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"They don't like the term "Mexicans", they prefer "Future Democrat voters""

The correct term is 'undocumented Democratic voter'.

Fri, 05/03/2013 - 00:40 | 3525409 whotookmyalias
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Actually to correct us both it's probably "Democratic Voter" since you don't need ID to vote but you do need ID to buy sudafed.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:20 | 3523833 Agent P
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"Damn GPS's made in China don't work for shit."

Apple Maps.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 22:26 | 3525060 mkkby
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Hey India.  Send a few troops to sit on the Senaku islands in support of the Japanese.  Pitch 2 tents so your message is clear.  That'll end this real quick.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:31 | 3523887 Oldballplayer
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They were using the iPhone, not Garmin.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:51 | 3523716 AldousHuxley
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In northern parts of India, people are half Indian, half Chinese.

 

In southwest US, there are old rancher families who are of spanish descent, were Mexicans, then became Americans after Mexican cession, now overwhelmed with new illegal mexicans there.

 

Plus there days world's richest man is Mexican by the name of Carlos Slim and he can buy pretty much everything in US by calling it investment via wall st.

 

Rockefellers also wanted American Union to expand the labor class. Rockefellers are democrats and they get what they want as they have founded 

Trilateral Commission, University of Chicago (and their economics theory), Council of Americas, Council on Foreign Relations, Bohemian Club, Asia Society. 

 

Things don't happen by chance.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:53 | 3523973 A Man without Q...
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Having been there, I have got to say, this is not correct.  The Ladakh region was historically part of the ancient Tibetan empire,  and most are Tibetan but there are several different ethnic groups.  Most Indians there only come to work during the summer tourist season.  On the "Chinese" side, Askai Chin is basically unpopulated.  North of their is the Xinjiang region, which is home to the Uyghrs and Hui, who have a closer ethnicity to the Hun, and therefore the Indo-Europeans than the Chinese.

The dispute seems to be linked to negotiations on formally ceding Askai Chin to China.

http://abodeofthesaints.blogspot.de/2012/04/india-ready-to-handover-aksa...

 

As to why they would fight over an area of wasteland, the Indians and Pakistani armies have been fighting over a 6,000m high glacier for 30 years

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siachen_conflict

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:18 | 3523813 BraveSirRobin
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Read a report a while back (just after the "Million Man March" in DC) entitled "The 100 Million Man March." The writer was a demographer who said that by 2015 (20 years after the Million Man March"), China would have 100 million more 16 - 36 year old males than females due to the "1 child" policy, the cultural preference for boys, and the resultant gender based abortions and even female infantacide in China. The article went on to state that 100 million young men without prospects for family or meaninful employment would be an explosive situation, as all these aimless young men would tend to be violent and potentially a threat to internal stability. The answer, to the author, was likely an attempt by the Chinese government to reduce this excess supply of young men via large scale warfare, and therefore, predicted regional war between China, India, Taiwan, the Phillipines, Vietnam, Japan, and Korea, or a 100 million man march on these nations. He discounted war with Russia due to the high number of Russian nuclear weapons then exisitng.  

Maybe this is the first trickle? China has certainly ramped up rhetoric against Japan and supported the North Korean hostile rehtoric as well.

Viewing some demographic data, it looks like there are about 78,000,000 more men than women in China, so we are nto quite at the 100 million man mark. Another indicator, however, is that there are 60,000,000 migrant workers (not aliens, but internal migrants) in China, and if the economy stalls, these folks will have no income, no home, no women, no children.

An additional problem is the so-called 1-2-4 issue, that is, in the future, China will have only 1 child supporting the retrement of 2 parents and 4 grandparents. So, they will have to kill off some old folks as well.

Remember, Swans, even Black ones, are migratory animals.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:33 | 3523892 Oldballplayer
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Good idea, this 100 million man march.  Except India is a nuclear power.  That 100 million could turn into 70 million pretty quickly.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 17:13 | 3524037 Antifaschistische
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"these folks will have no income, no home, no women, no children."

well, in America..all these "folks" do is play Nintendo with their buddies all day/night long.   So, isn't that an option in China?

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 17:16 | 3524052 Abbie Normal
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Some villages have temporarily solved the female shortage by forcing child-bearing aged women to have multiple babies by different fathers.  That only works until their uteruses become so thin that they split apart.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 17:45 | 3524180 Colonel Jessup
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Add to that those Chinese receiving free medical care, welfare benefits and food stamps - then it's an invasion.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:13 | 3523815 PiratePawpaw
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Chinese Citizenism requires the additional "lebensraum", after all China is a land poor country.

Besides what is 19 km of blobbing up between friends?

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:16 | 3523822 akak
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Very crusty.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:26 | 3523863 PiratePawpaw
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But in a mattering way.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:52 | 3523967 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Reminds Chinese citizenism propagandist told the kind of story I love and on this site. With all the story about 'americans' running out of indians.

Made me laugh.

Quite telling how Chinese citizenism citizens found indian lands for blobbing up.

Projection, Chinese citizenism citizens know a lot about that. They often accuse others of what they do themselves. It is part of the AnAnonymist culture sort of.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 17:13 | 3524038 PiratePawpaw
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"Projection, Chinese citizenism citizens know a lot about that. They often accuse others of what they do themselves. It is part of the AnAnonymist culture sort of."

Would that be a "Fleudian Srip"?

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:27 | 3523600 Randall Cabot
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The Sino-Indian War, also known as the Sino-Indian Border Conflict, was a war between China and India that occurred in 1962. A disputed Himalayan border was the main pretext for war, but other issues played a role. There had been a series of violent border incidents after the 1959 Tibetan uprising, when India had granted asylum to the Dalai Lama. India initiated a Forward Policy in which it placed outposts along the border, including several north of the McMahon Line, the eastern portion of a Line of Actual Control proclaimed by Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai in 1959.

Unable to reach political accommodation on disputed territory along the 3,225-kilometer-long Himalayan border, the Chinese launched simultaneous offensives in Ladakh and across the McMahon Line on 20 October 1962, coinciding with the Cuban Missile Crisis. Chinese troops advanced over Indian forces in both theatres, capturing Rezang la in Chushul in the western theatre, as well as Tawang in the eastern theatre. The war ended when the Chinese declared a ceasefire on 20 November 1962, and simultaneously announced its withdrawal from the disputed area.

The Sino-Indian War is notable for the harsh conditions under which much of the fighting took place, entailling large-scale combat at altitudes of over 4,250 metres (14,000 feet). The Sino-Indian War was also noted for the non-deployment of the navy or air force by either the Chinese or Indian side.

 

 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Indian_War   

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:21 | 3523839 Oracle of Kypseli
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China is getting the people ready when it blows up and have a revolution in their hand, thus having a way out by blaming Japanese Indians and others as a decoy.

That means the blow up is close. Duck my friends, there will be a generation worth of depression.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:27 | 3523601 NoDebt
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If this has been going on for "weeks" how are we just now hearing about it on ZH?

I want my WWIII provocation news to show up in a timely manner.  Like RIGHT FUCKING NOW, AS IT HAPPENS.  We were right on top of the Senekau islands thing but somehow a fully-armed land-based border incursion between Asian powerhouses goes unnoticed for WEEKS?

Somebody better start talking.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:48 | 3523953 rosiescenario
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Inexcusable...we should have known about this when they fueled the copters...

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 17:37 | 3524139 PiratePawpaw
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They said it was "stealthy".

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:26 | 3523598 DeadFred
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In WWII if you were a German screw up you were sent to the Russian front. The US military has always had the threat of Greenland or the Aleutians. We now know where the ChiComs send someone who slept with the generals daughter.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:22 | 3523578 Jekyll_n_Hyde_Island
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Chinese fingers got caught in the curry jar.

 

  I can't help but think though... India has a lot in common with Philly.  Let 'em hang out there for a couple months, they'll realize what a dump it is and leave.

 

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 18:16 | 3524264 americanspirit
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Unless they're from Trenton - then Philly would be lookin pretty good. It's all a matter of perspective.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:23 | 3523580 McMolotov
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India is simply pulling a Bugs Bunny with China:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkzWyOaS8kU

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:48 | 3523700 aerojet
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I guess there was no actual control.  Seems like if you crossed such a line, the response would be immediate.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:52 | 3523719 insanelysane
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Going to need some Chinese contractors to build a great wall or something.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:06 | 3523783 whotookmyalias
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Maybe the Indians want the Chinese to have it. 

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