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China Crosses 'Line Of Actual Control' With Stealth Invasion Of India

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Whether this is just a 'misunderstanding' or a land-grab to make up for Japan's Senkaku actions, the Indians are claiming that a platoon of Chinese soldiers have crossed the so-called 'Line of Actual Control' in the Indian-held Ladakh region. They have remained there for two weeks and even as India complains, the Chinese deny, saying that they are "firmly opposed to any acts that involve crossing the Line of Actual Control and sabotaging the status quo." Indian officials fear that if they react with force, the face-off could escalate into a battle. But doing nothing would leave a Chinese outpost deep in territory India has ruled since independence. "If they have come 19 kilometers into India, it is not a minor LAC violation. It is a deliberate military operation. And even as India protests, more tents have come up," said one analyst but the Indians are rattling other sabres. China is India's biggest trading partner, with bilateral trade heavily skewed in China's favor, crossing $75 billion in 2011. Politicians are demanding Chinese imports are banned, "the Chinese have to learn that such aggression cannot be delinked from trade." Most are baffled by Beijing's motives, since its actions could force India to move closer to Beijing's biggest rival, the United States; though perhaps bringing that closer is just the point.

 

Via Yahoo,

The platoon of Chinese soldiers slipped across the boundary into India in the middle of the night, according to Indian officials. They were ferried across the bitterly cold moonscape in Chinese army vehicles, then got out to traverse a dry creek bed with a helicopter hovering overhead for protection.

 

They finally reached their destination and pitched a tent in the barren Depsang Valley in the Ladakh region, a symbolic claim of sovereignty deep inside Indian-held territory. So stealthy was the operation that India did not discover the incursion until a day later, Indian officials said.

 

China denies any incursion, but Indian officials say that for two weeks, the soldiers have refused to move back over the so-called Line of Actual Control that divides Indian-ruled territory from Chinese-run land, leaving the government on the verge of a crisis with its powerful northeastern neighbor.

 

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"If they have come 19 kilometers into India, it is not a minor LAC violation. It is a deliberate military operation. And even as India protests, more tents have come up," said Sujit Dutta, a China specialist at the Jamia Milia Islamia university in New Delhi.

 

"Clearly, the Chinese are testing India to see how far they can go," he said.

 

That is not China's stated view.

 

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said Thursday that Chinese troops had been carrying out normal patrols and had not crossed the boundary.

 

"China is firmly opposed to any acts that involve crossing the Line of Actual Control and sabotaging the status quo," she said at a daily briefing in Beijing as she was repeatedly questioned about the dispute.

 

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Local army commanders from both sides have held three meetings over the crisis, according to Indian officials. India's foreign secretary called in the Chinese ambassador to register a strong protest. Yet the troops did not move, and even pitched a second tent, Indian officials said.

 

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"China realizes that India has a weak government, and a prime minister who is powerless," said Yashwant Sinha, a former foreign minister from the opposition Bharatiya Janata Party.

 

He demanded a stronger response. "A bully will back off the moment it realizes that it's dealing with a country which will not submit to its will," Sinha said.

 

... demanding India retaliate by barring Chinese imports.

 

China is India's biggest trading partner, with bilateral trade heavily skewed in China's favor, crossing $75 billion in 2011.

 

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"The Chinese have to learn that such aggression cannot be delinked from trade," Dutta said.

 

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Analysts said they were baffled by Beijing's motives, since its actions could force India to move closer to Beijing's biggest rival, the United States.

 

"The Chinese for some reason don't seem able to see that," said Joshi.

 

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The stand-off may eventually be resolved diplomatically, "but what it really shows is the PLA's contempt for our military capability," former Indian navy chief Sushil Kumar wrote in The Indian Express newspaper.

 

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Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:12 | 3523527 idea_hamster
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How can you cross the "Line of Actual Control"?

Once you control the other side of the line, isn't that under your "actual control"?

 

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:15 | 3523534 prains
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did the soldiers bring their rotisserie babies?

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:20 | 3523545 SemperFord
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"They were ferried across the bitterly cold moonscape in Chinese army vehicles"

I am sure this was simple Chinese driver error, I mean have you driven around Asian communities?

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:20 | 3523563 Pladizow
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Perhaps -_- wanted some curry?

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:27 | 3523596 akak
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We are not wanting for you Chineses to be doing the blobbing-up of Indian territories!  You are all very stupid and greedy peoples who should be doing the leaving right away!

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:27 | 3523603 The Juggernaut
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"could force India to move closer to Beijing's biggest rival, the United States"  So... US Troops dressed in Chinese military garb?

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:31 | 3523622 Buckaroo Banzai
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Pfft, the Chinese are pikers.

The Mexicans began crossing the US "line of control" 40 years ago in the greatest land invasion in history. Call me after 30 million Chinese have made their way into India, and THEN it'll be news.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:50 | 3523707 insanelysane
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Damn GPS's made in China don't work for shit.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:52 | 3523724 Manthong
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Where is most of the gold?

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:01 | 3523762 redpill
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"Yet the troops did not move, and even pitched a second tent, Indian officials said."

 

Well if it lasts for more than four hours, you should definitely call a doctor.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:08 | 3523794 Manthong
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if it wasn't for the killer clap,

you might want to call a hooker.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:16 | 3523826 krispkritter
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If it was so stealthy that the Chinese didn't know they were there for more than a day; how did they know they came over at night, crossed a dry creek bed, and had a helicopter overhead?  Oh, I get it, the CIA tipped them off via Yahoo...gotcha.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:31 | 3523886 redpill
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Dear India,

 

Have fun!

 

Love,

Tibet

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:38 | 3523914 true brain
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Dear India:

Please ask Vietnam for help. They know how to deal with the Chinese. After hundreds of battles with China, they know how to handle the Chins.

 

Sincerely,

 

Interested Observer.

Fri, 05/03/2013 - 02:53 | 3525584 Scarlett
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they're stretching us thin so we can't go rape Iran; +1 for them

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:19 | 3523817 akak
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"Yet the troops did not move, and even pitched a second tent, Indian officials said."

I wonder if the Chinese needed to use some tiger penis, cobra bile or bear gall bladders in order to pitch that tent.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:44 | 3523933 TheFourthStooge-ing
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I wonder if the Chinese needed to use some tiger penis, cobra bile or bear gall bladders in order to pitch that tent.

Helicopter will also transported sharkfin soup plentifully much the dangdang.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:21 | 3523845 smlbizman
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i wonder if they are going to accept the offer of made in china trinkets for the taj mahl....and a silver lining, they will get to operate tax free casinos...

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:03 | 3523773 whotookmyalias
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They don't like the term "Mexicans", they prefer "Future Democrat voters". Won't matter if we ever get voter ID laws becasue if they don't have citizenship, they will at least have driver's licenses and in-state tuition rates.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 17:01 | 3524002 Buckaroo Banzai
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"Has America ever had another "top cop" less interested in detecting or thwarting entire classes of lawbreakers?"

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 21:53 | 3524978 mjcOH1
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"They don't like the term "Mexicans", they prefer "Future Democrat voters""

The correct term is 'undocumented Democratic voter'.

Fri, 05/03/2013 - 00:40 | 3525409 whotookmyalias
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Actually to correct us both it's probably "Democratic Voter" since you don't need ID to vote but you do need ID to buy sudafed.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:20 | 3523833 Agent P
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"Damn GPS's made in China don't work for shit."

Apple Maps.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 22:26 | 3525060 mkkby
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Hey India.  Send a few troops to sit on the Senaku islands in support of the Japanese.  Pitch 2 tents so your message is clear.  That'll end this real quick.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:31 | 3523887 Oldballplayer
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They were using the iPhone, not Garmin.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:51 | 3523716 AldousHuxley
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In northern parts of India, people are half Indian, half Chinese.

 

In southwest US, there are old rancher families who are of spanish descent, were Mexicans, then became Americans after Mexican cession, now overwhelmed with new illegal mexicans there.

 

Plus there days world's richest man is Mexican by the name of Carlos Slim and he can buy pretty much everything in US by calling it investment via wall st.

 

Rockefellers also wanted American Union to expand the labor class. Rockefellers are democrats and they get what they want as they have founded 

Trilateral Commission, University of Chicago (and their economics theory), Council of Americas, Council on Foreign Relations, Bohemian Club, Asia Society. 

 

Things don't happen by chance.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:53 | 3523973 A Man without Q...
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Having been there, I have got to say, this is not correct.  The Ladakh region was historically part of the ancient Tibetan empire,  and most are Tibetan but there are several different ethnic groups.  Most Indians there only come to work during the summer tourist season.  On the "Chinese" side, Askai Chin is basically unpopulated.  North of their is the Xinjiang region, which is home to the Uyghrs and Hui, who have a closer ethnicity to the Hun, and therefore the Indo-Europeans than the Chinese.

The dispute seems to be linked to negotiations on formally ceding Askai Chin to China.

http://abodeofthesaints.blogspot.de/2012/04/india-ready-to-handover-aksa...

 

As to why they would fight over an area of wasteland, the Indians and Pakistani armies have been fighting over a 6,000m high glacier for 30 years

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siachen_conflict

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:18 | 3523813 BraveSirRobin
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Read a report a while back (just after the "Million Man March" in DC) entitled "The 100 Million Man March." The writer was a demographer who said that by 2015 (20 years after the Million Man March"), China would have 100 million more 16 - 36 year old males than females due to the "1 child" policy, the cultural preference for boys, and the resultant gender based abortions and even female infantacide in China. The article went on to state that 100 million young men without prospects for family or meaninful employment would be an explosive situation, as all these aimless young men would tend to be violent and potentially a threat to internal stability. The answer, to the author, was likely an attempt by the Chinese government to reduce this excess supply of young men via large scale warfare, and therefore, predicted regional war between China, India, Taiwan, the Phillipines, Vietnam, Japan, and Korea, or a 100 million man march on these nations. He discounted war with Russia due to the high number of Russian nuclear weapons then exisitng.  

Maybe this is the first trickle? China has certainly ramped up rhetoric against Japan and supported the North Korean hostile rehtoric as well.

Viewing some demographic data, it looks like there are about 78,000,000 more men than women in China, so we are nto quite at the 100 million man mark. Another indicator, however, is that there are 60,000,000 migrant workers (not aliens, but internal migrants) in China, and if the economy stalls, these folks will have no income, no home, no women, no children.

An additional problem is the so-called 1-2-4 issue, that is, in the future, China will have only 1 child supporting the retrement of 2 parents and 4 grandparents. So, they will have to kill off some old folks as well.

Remember, Swans, even Black ones, are migratory animals.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:33 | 3523892 Oldballplayer
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Good idea, this 100 million man march.  Except India is a nuclear power.  That 100 million could turn into 70 million pretty quickly.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 17:13 | 3524037 Antifaschistische
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"these folks will have no income, no home, no women, no children."

well, in America..all these "folks" do is play Nintendo with their buddies all day/night long.   So, isn't that an option in China?

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 17:16 | 3524052 Abbie Normal
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Some villages have temporarily solved the female shortage by forcing child-bearing aged women to have multiple babies by different fathers.  That only works until their uteruses become so thin that they split apart.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 17:45 | 3524180 Colonel Jessup
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Add to that those Chinese receiving free medical care, welfare benefits and food stamps - then it's an invasion.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:13 | 3523815 PiratePawpaw
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Chinese Citizenism requires the additional "lebensraum", after all China is a land poor country.

Besides what is 19 km of blobbing up between friends?

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:16 | 3523822 akak
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Very crusty.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:26 | 3523863 PiratePawpaw
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But in a mattering way.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:52 | 3523967 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Reminds Chinese citizenism propagandist told the kind of story I love and on this site. With all the story about 'americans' running out of indians.

Made me laugh.

Quite telling how Chinese citizenism citizens found indian lands for blobbing up.

Projection, Chinese citizenism citizens know a lot about that. They often accuse others of what they do themselves. It is part of the AnAnonymist culture sort of.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 17:13 | 3524038 PiratePawpaw
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"Projection, Chinese citizenism citizens know a lot about that. They often accuse others of what they do themselves. It is part of the AnAnonymist culture sort of."

Would that be a "Fleudian Srip"?

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:27 | 3523600 Randall Cabot
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The Sino-Indian War, also known as the Sino-Indian Border Conflict, was a war between China and India that occurred in 1962. A disputed Himalayan border was the main pretext for war, but other issues played a role. There had been a series of violent border incidents after the 1959 Tibetan uprising, when India had granted asylum to the Dalai Lama. India initiated a Forward Policy in which it placed outposts along the border, including several north of the McMahon Line, the eastern portion of a Line of Actual Control proclaimed by Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai in 1959.

Unable to reach political accommodation on disputed territory along the 3,225-kilometer-long Himalayan border, the Chinese launched simultaneous offensives in Ladakh and across the McMahon Line on 20 October 1962, coinciding with the Cuban Missile Crisis. Chinese troops advanced over Indian forces in both theatres, capturing Rezang la in Chushul in the western theatre, as well as Tawang in the eastern theatre. The war ended when the Chinese declared a ceasefire on 20 November 1962, and simultaneously announced its withdrawal from the disputed area.

The Sino-Indian War is notable for the harsh conditions under which much of the fighting took place, entailling large-scale combat at altitudes of over 4,250 metres (14,000 feet). The Sino-Indian War was also noted for the non-deployment of the navy or air force by either the Chinese or Indian side.

 

 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Indian_War   

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:21 | 3523839 Oracle of Kypseli
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China is getting the people ready when it blows up and have a revolution in their hand, thus having a way out by blaming Japanese Indians and others as a decoy.

That means the blow up is close. Duck my friends, there will be a generation worth of depression.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:27 | 3523601 NoDebt
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If this has been going on for "weeks" how are we just now hearing about it on ZH?

I want my WWIII provocation news to show up in a timely manner.  Like RIGHT FUCKING NOW, AS IT HAPPENS.  We were right on top of the Senekau islands thing but somehow a fully-armed land-based border incursion between Asian powerhouses goes unnoticed for WEEKS?

Somebody better start talking.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:48 | 3523953 rosiescenario
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Inexcusable...we should have known about this when they fueled the copters...

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 17:37 | 3524139 PiratePawpaw
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They said it was "stealthy".

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:26 | 3523598 DeadFred
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In WWII if you were a German screw up you were sent to the Russian front. The US military has always had the threat of Greenland or the Aleutians. We now know where the ChiComs send someone who slept with the generals daughter.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:22 | 3523578 Jekyll_n_Hyde_Island
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Chinese fingers got caught in the curry jar.

 

  I can't help but think though... India has a lot in common with Philly.  Let 'em hang out there for a couple months, they'll realize what a dump it is and leave.

 

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 18:16 | 3524264 americanspirit
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Unless they're from Trenton - then Philly would be lookin pretty good. It's all a matter of perspective.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:23 | 3523580 McMolotov
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India is simply pulling a Bugs Bunny with China:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkzWyOaS8kU

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:48 | 3523700 aerojet
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I guess there was no actual control.  Seems like if you crossed such a line, the response would be immediate.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:52 | 3523719 insanelysane
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Going to need some Chinese contractors to build a great wall or something.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:06 | 3523783 whotookmyalias
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Maybe the Indians want the Chinese to have it. 

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:04 | 3523774 Aeternus
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India's Total Gold Holdings = 18,000+ Tonnes.

That's over $1 Trillion in Gold.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deuC8GPr31A

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 17:13 | 3524041 Bag Of Meat
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Gold buys dollars, not the other way around

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:12 | 3523528 fightthepower
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India should nuke China!  War is good for debt growth. 

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:18 | 3523544 lolmao500
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It would be good for the rest of the world if these two nuked each other. Imagine all the jobs and resources freed! 2 billion less people with the same amount of resources = more resources for everybody!

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:00 | 3523757 Big Corked Boots
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Think of the American jobs saved - no more H1B visas - the American jobs created by selling weapons to both sides!

It would be a Neocon dream. Krugman shooting his load just thinking about it.

(What a fucked up world we live in.)

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 17:23 | 3524082 Abbie Normal
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Add to that list:  call centers, bad programming code, misread x-rays, cheap hammers at WalMart; hell, basically 90% of all consumer goods.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 17:24 | 3524083 Abbie Normal
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deleting duplicate comment

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 18:19 | 3524269 americanspirit
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That would be two billion less in the first few days. After a year, maybe triple that. And the winds blow west to east, so not just Indians and Chinese. Dare I say it - North America?

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 19:34 | 3524472 lolmao500
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Well from the middle of America till the middle of Mexico or so... and the middle east... and northern Africa.

Fri, 05/03/2013 - 01:56 | 3525513 merizobeach
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Russia and America nuked the earth (mostly their own countries) 2000 times, and we're still here.  I don't know if the Chinese and Indians combined have enough megatonnage to wipe out humanity.  Themselves, maybe--but all of us, I doubt it.  I mean, just check out the nuclear war that happened in Nevada and Kazakhstan in the two decades from 1957..

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 20:08 | 3524572 Iam_Silverman
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"It would be good for the rest of the world if these two nuked each other. Imagine all the jobs and resources freed! 2 billion less people with the same amount of resources = more resources for everybody!"

I was thinking along the same lines.  What better way to reduce the numbers in an already overpopulated world than by having the two countries with the largest populations go at it over a piece of land that wouldn't suffer from the ravages of warfare?

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 21:07 | 3524809 Seer
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The US already tried that with the Iran/Iraq war.

Isn't there some button that we can push to make all govts and their thugs disappear (and leave us alone)?

Fri, 05/03/2013 - 02:56 | 3525587 Flagit
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imagine waiting 3 months to re-establish ANY form of tech support or customer service.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:35 | 3523640 LeisureSmith
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No big deal.....But beware, a nuclear winter and a near-global ozone hole for a decade can really harsh your buzz.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:49 | 3523704 aerojet
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As much as I dislike overpopulation, I'm not quick to wish hellish suffering on two billion people.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:15 | 3523531 RafterManFMJ
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I hear the platoon is panning for gold.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:24 | 3523590 Alpha Monkey
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Plundering india's gold was the first thing that came to my mind.  I'm sure the US would gladly "help" india keep it nice and secure in New York.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:50 | 3523708 WillyGroper
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Water.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:17 | 3523532 Cognitive Dissonance
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Sounds like the Chinese have moved to second base.

<Paradise by the tank light.>

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:48 | 3523701 bank guy in Brussels
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Thanks for the recall of Meat Loaf's terrific 'Paradise by the Dashboard Light' ... these lyrics from that old song are quite profound now:

« It was long ago, and it was far away ...
So much better than it is today ... »

Here's another live version which I like a bit more ... with his petite female partner Patti Russo quite cute in her tight little white top -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C11MzbEcHlw

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:51 | 3523964 rosiescenario
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"....now I'm praying for the end of time...."

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 20:10 | 3524581 Iam_Silverman
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reached at above link:

The uploader has not made this video available in your country.
Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:21 | 3523535 LawsofPhysics
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India does not understand "plausuble deniability"?  Besides, if someone comes into your yard that knows they shouldn't be there, there is no motivation not to eliminate them.  What?  A platoon of your soldiers is missing?  Where could they have gone?  We will check our boarders again, just to help you out.  Sorry, nothing to report.  What's that, why yes we recently blew up some old bombs in that desolate area of our country.  Just disarming in line with the recent U.N. agreement (see how easy that was?).

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:28 | 3523604 Thisson
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That was quite good.  Your talents are being wasted here with us - you should move up to the bigtime!

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:34 | 3523629 Cognitive Dissonance
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That was his audition for Fed Chairistan. I pledge my 837 Gazillion votes to LawofPhysics. :)

<If he can wait a few minutes my Dell can pump out a few more Bazillion.>

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:38 | 3523659 LawsofPhysics
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I don't need your votes, I can print my own.  On another front, China is invading America, but simply by buying property.  Shit, not only America, anyone been to British Columbia lately?

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 20:11 | 3524592 Iam_Silverman
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"On another front, China is invading America, but simply by buying property"

Would that be previously foreclosed/abandoned property we now can collect taxes on?

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:50 | 3523706 Urban Redneck
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I'm sure someone has translated von Clausewitz into English, or perhaps the Indians read English as poorly as they speak it over the telephone...

If not they could read the enemy's playbook by Sun Tzu, or the could do some soul searching and re-read the Mahabharata.  

I'm fairly sure that turning maneuvers, flanking maneuvers, double envelopments, encirclements, and whole bunch of other English terms have Chinese and Sanskrit equivalents.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 17:16 | 3524047 Z'
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"I'm fairly sure that turning maneuvers, flanking maneuvers, double envelopments, encirclements, and whole bunch of other English terms have Chinese and Sanskrit equivalents."

This comment reminded me of the Chinese 'String of Pearls':

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_of_Pearls_(China)

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The String of Pearls refers to the Chinese sea lines of communication which extend from the Chinese mainland to Port Sudan. The sea lines run through several major choke points such as the Strait of Mandeb, the Strait of Malacca, the Strait of Hormuz and the Lombok Strait, as well as other strategic maritime centers in Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, the Maldives and Somalia. The term was used in an internal United States Department of Defense report titled "Energy Futures in Asia".[1]

“The “String of Pearls” describes the manifestation of China’s rising geopolitical influence through efforts to increase access to ports and airfields, develop special diplomatic relationships, and modernize military forces that extend from the South China Sea through the Strait of Malacca, across the Indian Ocean, and on to the Persian Gulf. —Christopher Pehrson, [2]

Chinese President Hu Jintao has stated that the goal of the PRC's naval strategy is a “harmonious ocean” and "China would never seek hegemony, nor would it turn to military expansion or arms races with other nations".[3] Some Indians fear that the string of pearls may put India at a military disadvantage,[4] and that India's lack of a grand strategy lets China develop relationships with the other countries in the region.[5]

[emphasis added, last sentence]

..............................

Currently, China is working with Pakistan to add the Gwadar port to the 'String of Pearls'.  India has expressed "concern":

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/06/us-india-airshow-china-idUSBRE9150BX20130206

(Reuters) - China's role in operating a strategically important port in Pakistan is a matter of concern for India, its defense minister said on Wednesday, as New Delhi and Beijing jostle for influence in the region.

Indian policy-makers have long been wary of a string of strategically located ports being built by Chinese companies in its neighborhood, as India beefs up its military clout to compete with its Asian rival.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 18:10 | 3524249 Urban Redneck
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I'm sure the Chinese wouldn't mind picking up some real estate for the low, low price of one platoon of expendables, but they sure as fuck aren't interested in a two-front full-blown border conflict, so something stategic is brewing...

If this is being done for the viewing pleasure of those in DC, the US can't buddy up to the Indians without pissing off the Pakistanis even more than they are, and if the US wants to over-extend itself even further in Central Asia it either pulls left hand assets out of East Asia and the Senkaku/Korea Oil/Grain circle jerk, or goes for the full globe reach around (and astronomical fuel bills) with its East Coast/Euro Trash right hand. 

Perhaps the Chinese aren't content with a Rinse, Repeat timeline between the impotent Soviet pull-out from Afganistan and the collapse of the USSR. 

Then there's the entertainment tastes and expenses of the kleptocrat junta in Islamabad, where suitcases of cash have exploded into the power plants that the US failed to deliver on for over two decades, but a good Bollywood soap opera provides twice the laughs at half the cost.

Interesting times...

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:16 | 3523536 booboo
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All your curry berong to us now

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:18 | 3523552 ParkAveFlasher
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Wirdcard, bitchez!

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:28 | 3523594 McMolotov
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Burrish for weapon sares.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:31 | 3523617 akak
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Kitten Tikka Masala

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:56 | 3523986 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Lassie and lassi.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:34 | 3523633 Jekyll_n_Hyde_Island
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+2 for making me laugh loud enough to startle my secretary.

 

  Excellent usage of bad grammar and engrish.

  Check out the Yirenbao. 

  http://www.engrish.com/page/6/

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:11 | 3523806 Jekyll_n_Hyde_Island
Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:49 | 3523703 Things that go bump
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From what I can tell of history, India has always just been lying there on her back waiting for the next strong man to come along and rape her.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:16 | 3523538 Headbanger
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Line of Actual Control definition:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_of_Actual_Control

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:16 | 3523539 lolmao500
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India is run by sissies. They won't do a thing and China knows it.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:20 | 3523562 azzhatter
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Yep, the pussified Indians will do nothing

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:22 | 3523579 kito
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agreed................perhaps they should stop bitching and start firing........whining just weakens them.................

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:29 | 3523611 firstdivision
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They'll rape their women.  That's something.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 18:53 | 3524350 Sokhmate
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Punani Curry.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:29 | 3523616 yogibear
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The Indians are pushovers.

China,  take all the land you want. Pakistan pushes India around all the time.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:00 | 3523756 zerozulu
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Hindu and Jew only shout at weaker ones.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:17 | 3523541 Seize Mars
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Pray tell, who exactly is baffled by this? The closer one gets toward total systemic banking insolvency, the more likely war is invoked as a savings and production control scheme. It's all about bank balance sheets.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:17 | 3523543 buzzsaw99
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The entire country of India was invaded by a single platoon. How funny.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:28 | 3523609 DeadFred
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And so far they're losing the war.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:01 | 3523760 Chaos_Theory
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Maybe the platoon was in a tricked-out Camper and driven by Bill Murray?

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:09 | 3523797 ParkAveFlasher
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With Sargeant Hurka on the roof.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:30 | 3523880 buzzsaw99
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Lean, Mean, Fighting Machine!

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:01 | 3523761 GeezerGeek
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Right out of "The Mouse That Roared"...

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 21:08 | 3524824 helping_friendl...
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Indians are more cowardly than the French. They will surrender to a mine field.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:17 | 3523546 Cugel
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Another great example of why China's power is self-limiting. What an exercise in coalition building. If they keep up this ham-fisted boorishness you're going to see U.S. carriers back in Da Nang.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:32 | 3523625 akak
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They can't help it --- it is simply the eternal nature of Chinese Citizenism blobbing-up and manifesting itself in a mattering way.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:41 | 3523672 swmnguy
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That should work.  Like saying "Candyman" 3 times.  AnAnonymous should be along any minute now.

Hey, do you smell sulphur?

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:24 | 3523853 PiratePawpaw
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That smell is ozone. Byproduct of lightning powered Chinese military vehicles.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 17:09 | 3524025 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

AnAnonymous should be along any minute now.

Ah, ah, remindings of Chinese citizenism eternal nature gives now requirements of pouring denial on these stuff.

Told in article articulations:

They have remained there for two weeks and even as India complains, the Chinese deny, saying that they are "firmly opposed to any acts that involve crossing the Line of Actual Control and sabotaging the status quo."

AnAnonymist propagandist from Chinese Citizenism Communautist Party Ministry of Truth not giving today propaganda in this site. Prioritation taken with denial of blobbing up on top of indians lands vigourously.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 20:17 | 3524614 chindit13
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I actually kept a front-page newspaper clipping (with you in mind, akak, despite our occasional differences) from The Times of India last year, where some Indian Government spokesman reminded the citizenry that they should refrain from defecating on the sidewalk, as it is both a unsightly nuisance and a possible health hazard.  Thus, one might suspect that this incursion had something to do with anger over trademark violations or perhaps a future Olympic event.  Maybe it's going to be the equivalent of a three day cricket test match, replete with fast blobbers, spin blobbers, and instead of lots of sixes, many many Number Twos.  In any event, it's going to leave a sticky wicket.

The quite beautiful Ladakh region, incidentally, is also home to the Spiti Valley, which sounds decidedly like a place the Chinese would covet.

In all seriousness, one's first thought is that this is about water (as China is damming anything with more flow that a leaking airconditioner on the Tibetan side of the border), but even in Ladakh the glaciers are disappearing.  Sure Leh had bad floods two or three years ago, but water in that area is becoming an increasing problem.  Maybe China is just being an asshole.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 20:40 | 3524711 akak
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In all seriousness, one's first thought is that this is about water (as China is damming anything with more flow that a leaking airconditioner on the Tibetan side of the border), but even in Ladakh the glaciers are disappearing.

Interesting comment and angle, one that had not occurred to me.  But it would make sense, as Himalayan glaciers continue to melt and disappear.  At the rate the melting is occurring, not only India and Tibet, but Nepal, Bhutan, Pakistan and Bangladesh could be facing significantly reduced river flows in a couple more decades --- which combined with their ever-growing populations seems like a real recipe for disaster.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:37 | 3523642 kito
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not a chance..............no self limiting there.........u.s. can do NOTHING about china.............NOTHING..........except bend over backwards and beg them to stop..............its chinas sphere of influence..........its their new backyard............and they are playing in it.............................u.s. is losing its grip in asia little by little, day by day..............and as the u.s. hits its next "recession"........you will see more and more u.s. domestic focus trying to keep its own house of cards standing............less and less time patrolling the world..................the signs of the end of the empire as as obvious as daylight and china sees it bright and clear........

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:35 | 3523905 Cugel
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Yes -- that is exactly what the Chinese are thinking. Right down to the punctuation.

And it's why they're going to get dunked.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 20:11 | 3524586 chindit13
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Actually, this is one instance where the US will do what is right, which is to do nothing.  China is alienating its neighbors at a pace that will put the rapidity of its so-called economic miracle to shame.  They have disputes with Japan, South Korea, Malaysia, Vietnam, the Philippines, Burma, and now India---all of which stem from China's desire to expand and grab resources.  This time, the Coalition of the Willing will self-form.

Spend some time in Asia and you will realize the Chinese have no friends.  Okay, maybe the Pillsbury Doughboy in Pyongyang is a kind of friend.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 20:47 | 3524736 akak
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Spend some time in Asia and you will realize the Chinese have no friends.  Okay, maybe the Pillsbury Doughboy in Pyongyang is a kind of friend.

"Nothin' says lovin' like Seoul in a nuclear oven!"

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:02 | 3523766 zerozulu
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India will end up buying few billions of dollar tree stuff.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:07 | 3523792 GeezerGeek
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Vietnam and China had a short, hot war back in early 1979. More recently, they are disputing ownership of the Spratly Islands. 

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:38 | 3523915 Oldballplayer
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And Vietnam whooped up on them pretty good.  That was a funny one.

If the world wars were fought in brackets, it would be Vietnam vs Afghanistan next.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 17:09 | 3524026 bonderøven-farm ass
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My money is on the team with home field advantage....

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:17 | 3523547 ParkAveFlasher
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<Samosas

<Steamed Dumplings

 

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 17:11 | 3524028 edifice
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They should just do a deal, x tons for y tons, call it good.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:18 | 3523549 Dr. Richard Head
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Let's see, Iraq crossed into Suadia Arabia, with explicit US consent, and then the US went into Iraq with Desert Storm.  I guess it is time to bring some democracy into China?  At least, that would be the sotry line if the neocons were consistent.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 17:03 | 3524005 booboo
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Oh my, Barack Hussein Obama is a neocon?

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 19:18 | 3524410 Things that go bump
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I thought it was Kuwait that Saddam invaded.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:19 | 3523557 Bastiat
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if China doesn't admit it was there it doesn't have to admit it pulled back-probe and provoke without risking face.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:22 | 3523576 LawsofPhysics
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Exactly what I was thinking.  Likewise, if they were "never there" then India does not have to explain the disappearance of the platoon either.  Sillyness.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 17:15 | 3524049 TheFourthStooge-ing
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The point that must not be missed and weighted carefully is all these crusty parangongs was not desired. That is the most interesting point. It is not wished. The most comical is the awckward reaction of the countries supposedly supporting Chinese citizenism economics.

A similar success acquired in non debt environment would mean.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:20 | 3523559 css1971
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Oh for goodness sake, designate the area as a short range missile testing ground and send condolence cards to the Chinese military.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:23 | 3523587 LawsofPhysics
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What military, they were "never there" remember?

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:20 | 3523565 fonzannoon
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75 billion? thats it? less than one month QE? Just have someone print it and give it to them.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:21 | 3523566 ebworthen
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"China denies incursion."

Of course they do, they deny that their citizens are slaves, that they dump hazardous waste along with dead animals into the water supply, that the rest of the hazardous waste they incorporate into the crap they sell us, and that their goal is global domination.

 

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 17:17 | 3524058 TheFourthStooge-ing
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The denial of facts required by Chinese citizenism citizens as a sign of submission is now way beyond the scope of ignorance.

Bear with it.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 21:28 | 3524897 Seer
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Seems one could change substitute "US" for "China" and it would still be valid.  AND for the Chinese it's not like they willing gave up their freedoms- they never had them!

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:21 | 3523568 Yellowhoard
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China is acting like a country that wants to provoke a war.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:40 | 3523664 Gromit
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But not with India

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:24 | 3523571 lolmao500
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And what's even funnier is that China has asked India to get their tents out of there... and destroy some bunkers they have on the border... and once this is done, then China will THINK what they will do next...

And guess what, the Chicom vice-president is going to India in a few weeks... and wanna bet the Indian prime minister is gonna lick his boots, Obama style??

All this sounds good for the Chicoms... until the next election in India where a pissed off Indian population could elect right wingers, Abe's style... and then it could get real hairy.

The next general election in India is before May 31 2014.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:23 | 3523586 tmosley
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Turn the area into a munitions testing range.  They will probably leave when you start blanketing the area with napalm.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:29 | 3523610 ParkAveFlasher
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I rove the smerr of naparm in de moning.  Smerrs rike, victory.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:34 | 3523635 akak
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In other news, the Indian government has just announced a high-elevation nuclear test in its northern border region.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:40 | 3523668 ParkAveFlasher
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Was it a nuclear test, or a nuclear-capable missile test?  I can only find news on the latter.

Fri, 05/03/2013 - 03:15 | 3525610 Flagit
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according to the boston globe tweet, "Officials: There will be a controlled explosion opposite the library within one minute as part of bomb squad activities."

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:40 | 3523922 Oldballplayer
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Victory?  Really.  You really think either an Indian or Chinaman could pronounce Victory?

 

You need to take a walk down to your local Kwicky Mart and talk to Apu.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 16:47 | 3523947 PiratePawpaw
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I am tellibry tellibry solly but you cannot craim victoly at this time.

Also the slurpee machine is broken.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:23 | 3523588 Major Major Major
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It's a communication problem.  They have trouble understanding each other.  For example, check out this clip of Russell Peters explaining how the sale of a Louis Vuitton bag from a Chinese guy to an Indian guy would go down:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pYOZduNhtY

 

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:25 | 3523595 lolmao500
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India's ministry of silly walk is too busy to care about the Chicoms...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ0ue-XGl9c

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:30 | 3523619 Gromit
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Splendid thank you. Here's the original-

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqhlQfXUk7w

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 15:27 | 3523605 akak
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