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China Crosses 'Line Of Actual Control' With Stealth Invasion Of India
Whether this is just a 'misunderstanding' or a land-grab to make up for Japan's Senkaku actions, the Indians are claiming that a platoon of Chinese soldiers have crossed the so-called 'Line of Actual Control' in the Indian-held Ladakh region. They have remained there for two weeks and even as India complains, the Chinese deny, saying that they are "firmly opposed to any acts that involve crossing the Line of Actual Control and sabotaging the status quo." Indian officials fear that if they react with force, the face-off could escalate into a battle. But doing nothing would leave a Chinese outpost deep in territory India has ruled since independence. "If they have come 19 kilometers into India, it is not a minor LAC violation. It is a deliberate military operation. And even as India protests, more tents have come up," said one analyst but the Indians are rattling other sabres. China is India's biggest trading partner, with bilateral trade heavily skewed in China's favor, crossing $75 billion in 2011. Politicians are demanding Chinese imports are banned, "the Chinese have to learn that such aggression cannot be delinked from trade." Most are baffled by Beijing's motives, since its actions could force India to move closer to Beijing's biggest rival, the United States; though perhaps bringing that closer is just the point.
Via Yahoo,
The platoon of Chinese soldiers slipped across the boundary into India in the middle of the night, according to Indian officials. They were ferried across the bitterly cold moonscape in Chinese army vehicles, then got out to traverse a dry creek bed with a helicopter hovering overhead for protection.
They finally reached their destination and pitched a tent in the barren Depsang Valley in the Ladakh region, a symbolic claim of sovereignty deep inside Indian-held territory. So stealthy was the operation that India did not discover the incursion until a day later, Indian officials said.
China denies any incursion, but Indian officials say that for two weeks, the soldiers have refused to move back over the so-called Line of Actual Control that divides Indian-ruled territory from Chinese-run land, leaving the government on the verge of a crisis with its powerful northeastern neighbor.
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"If they have come 19 kilometers into India, it is not a minor LAC violation. It is a deliberate military operation. And even as India protests, more tents have come up," said Sujit Dutta, a China specialist at the Jamia Milia Islamia university in New Delhi.
"Clearly, the Chinese are testing India to see how far they can go," he said.
That is not China's stated view.
Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said Thursday that Chinese troops had been carrying out normal patrols and had not crossed the boundary.
"China is firmly opposed to any acts that involve crossing the Line of Actual Control and sabotaging the status quo," she said at a daily briefing in Beijing as she was repeatedly questioned about the dispute.
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Local army commanders from both sides have held three meetings over the crisis, according to Indian officials. India's foreign secretary called in the Chinese ambassador to register a strong protest. Yet the troops did not move, and even pitched a second tent, Indian officials said.
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"China realizes that India has a weak government, and a prime minister who is powerless," said Yashwant Sinha, a former foreign minister from the opposition Bharatiya Janata Party.
He demanded a stronger response. "A bully will back off the moment it realizes that it's dealing with a country which will not submit to its will," Sinha said.
... demanding India retaliate by barring Chinese imports.
China is India's biggest trading partner, with bilateral trade heavily skewed in China's favor, crossing $75 billion in 2011.
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"The Chinese have to learn that such aggression cannot be delinked from trade," Dutta said.
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Analysts said they were baffled by Beijing's motives, since its actions could force India to move closer to Beijing's biggest rival, the United States.
"The Chinese for some reason don't seem able to see that," said Joshi.
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The stand-off may eventually be resolved diplomatically, "but what it really shows is the PLA's contempt for our military capability," former Indian navy chief Sushil Kumar wrote in The Indian Express newspaper.
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That's how the BORG think. Sit still in complacency and be assimilated. Hmmm I wonder when just buying property here won't be enough to satisfy these locusts.
Miffed;-)
China had issues with Japan over the islands, then trade plummeted. China had issues with Vietnam as well and then with the Philippines.
Now, it's India's turn and Indian media is eerily quiet with the PM of India saying its a small issue.
Hope this doesn't imbalance the local power in Asia and create unnecessary conflicts or reduction in imports from China. India will suffer more in any ban or reduction in imports from China and this will hike inflation further in India. India is barely stable and will get worse in all the ways if this is a turning point in the further decline of India.
If it does, this may mark the beginning of global trade wars and some further escalation in the currency wars.
China is increasingly flexing it's muscles and they ARE getting stronger.
Is the endgame nearer?
China thinks it has enough power to resolve all these issues before American collapse.
'Think's is the operative word here. I like it.
Although, I believe that China wil inevitably rise along with all the hiccups and blips in that rise to global power status, I do also believe that countries like America and Europe, UK and Scandinavian countries are not stupid and their Govts must not be underestimated to follow on in a straight line. Everyone covets stability and each one will fight individually or in groups before the US collapses in defending their borders and sovereignity and stability. Debt or no debt, US has a lot of other firepower aside from their banking system. whether we like it or not, advisory roles of Citi and Goldman whom the Middle Eastern countries now partly own or the USD money transfer system when China buys coal or oil or iron ore is an important pawn in this huge chess game worldwide. America's unique patents in the defence and oil industry are single handedly sufficient for any country to bend over. Just ask any oil refinery in India or Iran what happens when that important part from US companies that have decades of research behind them and own the only part in the world important enough to bring any refinery to a grindling halt or even all the defence products sold in the last few decades if US company does not provide its spares, not to mention the internet.
India's pollution kills 100 000 people a year... they have millions of expendable people to go to war with China.
Hi lol mao,
Unfortunately, India's pollution does not kill just 100,000. That privilege belongs to the esteemed roads in India. Indian road accidents kill over 100,000 people annually. Interestingly another 1.5m are hospitalized and 7m suffer minor injuries every year http://nidm.gov.in/idmc2/PDF/Abstracts/road_accidents.pdf This is more than the populations of several countries around the world. The number looks small in comparison to the total population but in volumes the losses both in number as well as dollar losses is huge. This is a major impediment in the growth out of poverty simply because a family becomes extremely poor just due to the death of a bread winner of the family for at least 1 or 2 generations, in a country where 70% of the entire population is living below poverty already.
Pollution kills in excess of 1m or 600k plus conservatively that does not include creation of various health issues. http://www.firstpost.com/india/death-by-breathing-report-shows-air-pollu...
Accidents do not even matter, according to a global study, where health issues kill more people than anything in India. http://www.firstpost.com/living/outdoor-air-pollution-is-india-s-fifth-l...
It is a shame for India and its Govt and its media who have failed to examine the issue in detail and raise awareness. New Delhi got the unique distinction and a first in the history of the world to have a deadly bacteria named after itself - the city - NDM -1. Bloomberg was the only major media organisation that covered this in detail. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-07/drug-defying-germs-from-india-s... No other media has sensationalised this news which will create more resentment among the masses than already there due to corruption etc and the news has been subdued by the Govt.
Interestingly, there was another rare event in 2011 in the state of Gujarat in India where a doctor and a nurse were also killed from a Congo fever virus aside from several patients http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-07-20/ahmedabad/3276356... Of course, the Govt nicely killed the media story with no mention anywhere.
This article encapsulates various angles on the subject of road related deaths with research from various independent authors. http://nidm.gov.in/idmc2/PDF/Abstracts/road_accidents.pdf
It is amusing to read that the fine for causing an accident and if and when found guilty (after 25 years or so that it takes to go through the court justice system) MAY be charged a fine of INR 2,500 (USD 45 today) if found guilty. This fine and legal code was created in the year 1860 to act as a detriment when rupee and the amount had much more value and this law has not been updated ONCE since 1860! Talk about status quo in India!
The biggest problem in India today is of law and order and not of accidents or pollution although they too are major and corruption too which is very major. India takes credit for all the worst things in the world and is No 1 in all of them either individually or jointly. This all in a combined fashion will ultimately lead to a slow decline as well as with much greater chances of anarchy and disintegration within India of its polity and its economic systems and state boundaries among other things. It is also a fact that India has created many subdivisions within its state boundaries ever since creation of Pakistan which itself was a subdivision. 3 states were carved out in 2000 while many others were incorporated since partition. This article captures the essence http://newindianexpress.com/education/student/article234166.ece while Wiki outlines the details http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States_and_territories_of_India#After_1956
India has so many internal issues that it has no time to deal with external issues. Until date in 2013, India has lowest number of diplomats with China having 3 times as much. Indian diplomats have failed in most neighbouring countries including Sri Lanka, Nepal among others. http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2013/04/09/india-hires-more-diplomats...
If China annexes some more of it, it will be so much for the better. No wonder the jokes go around, that Pakistani terrorists have stopped attacking Indian cities because if they kill any Indian politician by mistake, the Indians will be found clapping and thanking the Pakistani terrorists.
Nuclear explosions detected above Bejing and New Delhi would be bullish enough to get us above 1600 before EOD.
A platoon? Build a wall around them and call it a POW camp.
Build a crater under them and call it a mass grave.
Naw, too provacative.
Bring in some tables and chairs and a kitchen area and take out menus and call it a restaurant.
I smell a reality show; "The Rost Pratoon."
Well, if the Chinese are not there then what is stopping India from designating the area as a carpet bombing test area?
Is China looking for a diversion from its economic woes? Nothing like a good war to take attention away from problems back home. Plus it will get rid of some people. Spooky situation.
Is China looking for a diversion from its economic woes?
That, or someone else is doing the same by using the all time favorite; the red scare.
Watch out, the commies are coming!
Too bad the Chinese are not fundamentalistic muslems. That would work even better although there are around 150 million muslems in China. You're right, red scare is better.
Lebensraum! So nothing to worry about.
Rebenslaum
China take over India. No problem.
Then you can have IT and all the US personal info at US Credit card companies.
China thinks China's dick is shorter than the Jap's but thicker than the Indian's. WarZ BitChez! The real economic/political reality must have been really shitty lately.
Sun Tzu says... modern Chinese military strategists are like bitchez in search of a spit roasting...
(Like Hitler in operation Barbarossa but with impotent words, instead of big guns...)
"the chinese for some reason don't seem able to see that."
or they just don't give a fuck.
why did america prevail during ww2? manufacturing base(and finance, but lets ignore that for now , eh?), what does china have now which is nearly unrivaled? manufacturing base.. utilize trade to bleed your competitors dry for decades(of actual capacity, not funny money, yaknow, real wealth?) start a war outside your borders by utilizing old/current hatreds, play both sides during the escalating and active conflict, wait until it's clear where world allegiances lie, enter with war machines and weapons you've been stockpiling on the winning side after the rest of the participants waste their resources on eachother.
win
This is what happens when you rely on Google Maps for navigation.
China wants something from Inda and it's not territory. Let's wait a lttle.
Does it has to do with something with this.
China: 'Pakistan is our Israel'
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2010/10/20101028135728235512.h...
The Silican Volley solution would be to put them on a WebCam for the world to see. Watch them skulk back, and not a single shot fired. QED. Stupid politicians!
"Can you blush?" -Blade
Shitty wok vs. shitty curry?
Morons. Just arrest them.
So this is it ---- the Chinese have finally run out of clean roadsides.
You hit some mattering thing on the nail head with hammer squarely. Telling infinitative roadsides meant similar magick as telling infinitative growth imaginated tales.
Up to the stars and beneath, infinitative growth, here we come, as brought to you courtesy of Chinese citizenism. Try not to notice that infinitative roadside corresponds to Moebius strip road of Chinese citizenism insanitation.
Bear with it.
Sooooo what is the pran to take over America again? I forgot
Simple, wait for defration and then buy it.
LOL Times of India: A loose-lipped foreign minister describes Chinese incursion in Ladakh's Depsang valley as "acne" that can be cured by applying ointment.
When's 'AnAnonymous' going to show up and start ranting non-sensically about Chinese government adopting 'American citizenism' policy regarding its neighbors? This crap is old hat for China. They've already 'adopted' land from the Indians before. Until the Indians make those ChiComs pay in blood, the ChiComs will just act like the Honeybadger taking Indian land and not caring.
Kung POW!
Closer to home: Houston Intercontinental Airport, over the phone, my wife sez an "assault weapon" shooter opened fire but was killed.
Glad she's ok.
There could be another one in hiding, though, so just to be safe, they'll lock down the airport and have the TSA perform cavity searches on everyone.
News says he shot himself; but you are right, they locked down the terminal.
I always thought any China - India beefs would be over water.
You are mistaken ---- there ARE no Indian beefs.
Easy! Don't have a cow.
Well then stop trying to steer us in the wrong direction.
That not punny roundsteak, I mean eye. This is steerious!
No Indian "RATS" either. Carne Asada, loves the ratones.
China is using the 'bite and hold' tactic and will eventually completely move into India and take over. Libs do this all the time in Amerika to get their socialism passed.
back to 1962...
the alpha dog always sits gorging on the hind-quarter until its hunger has been satisfied
the nature of the beast
What is the said intrinsic value of the 'barren moonscape' that the Chinese crossed into? Is Ladakh mineral rich?
None that I can find. Strategically important as a staging area for India if they ever felt like invading China- gives access to a 750sq.km area of high plateau. Seems India has been busy the last 5 yrs building infrastructure and reopening old military airbases along the LAC.
I think I found what this is all about. The chicoms want a military observation post at Chumar demolished. Apparently two chinese officials (tax inspectors) going across Chumar were detained there last year by Indian troops and this is payback.
Probability of an Indian military response? Slim. They'll most likely sort it out in a couple of weeks unless some alphabet agency decides to do mischief and shoot up both the indians and chinese.
www.siasat.com/english/news/chinese-incursion-india-may-lose-access-750-...
"unless some alphabet agency decides to do mischief and shoot up both the indians and chinese. " - never let a crisis go to waste that you can't benefit from, especially if it plays to your strengths. (plausible deniability folks)
Great replys gentlemen. It's amazing how 'seemingly mundane' festering wounds can be re-opened.
A bit Off-topic but has anyone here at ZH thought about how by having a large military it allows a Sovereign to A) massage unemployment rates B) keep alot of young people off the streets where they might be rioting,and keeps them under a draconian military justice system C) provides a platform for indoctrination into a conservative political ideology D) the best part is gets paid for in paper currency.
I am not necessarily pointing the finger at America. Many historical examples abound. Soldiering is a steady paycheck. Always has been.(Until that IED gets ya).
Anyone have any doubts about that Bagram crash? Seems odd.Not the crash. Just the media vacuum until the video went viral.Someone knows something...
What Bagram crash? Didn't hear about that...
"C) provides a platform for indoctrination into a PARTISAN ideology...."
Fixed it for ya.
So if Chinese troops haven't crossed over, then China wouldn't have any reason to complain if that particular area was carpet bombed, right?
They are trying defect, only to find the Indian government works for the same bloodless vultures as the Chinese puppets. Tough spot.
I think Yen Cross has it nailed. Mineral deposits or oil or both. Chinese soldiers (officers) don't fart without permission from higher up.
Way back in the forties or fifties there was an incident on a frozen river between Russia and Chinese territory. Apparently a company of Russians marched out onto the ice,about-faced and dropped their pants,mooning the Chinese. The Chinese troops were not impressed....
Yes, the moon wars. But I think you have it backasswards. The Chinese mooned the Russkies. The MSM described mooning as "an ancient Chinese gesture of contempt". The Russkies were reportedly one step ahead of the Chinks, and immediately hoisted large posters of Mao to intercept the gesture.
The rat bastard chinese killed 60 million in 1960 - no one has taken them to task so this can hardly be a surprise.
Maybe the Indians cut a democratic deal with China.
This story has been quietly bubbling along in the background for a week or so now. The border is not an absolute one (much like India / Nepal's, although that's an open border), just as a reference.
This piece was posted on 29th April:
The CIA eventually did get a SNAP unit and signal device installed the Himalayas, Coburn notes. In 1967, a group of climbers planted one below the summit of Nanda Kot, a 22,510-foot mountain nearby. It was buried in snow three months later and stopped working, although having gleaned enough data from Chinese tests to indicate — at the time — that Beijing didn’t yet have a long-range nuclear warhead.
“Ultimately, this wild operation was successful in gaining at least that much information,” Coburn says. Although the technique was obsolete by the time spy satellites emerged. Still, it was close, and somewhere down the mountain, a piece of Cold War plutonium might still be there.[source]
But who knows, China might be looking for a "yeti". Tents can hide all kind of excavations, Dr. Jones.
Just like in the movie STRIPES. They took a wrong turn in the rain storm and wound up over the boarder; No biggie - send the RV in to rescue them
I will say: I root for China to go to war. Anything to stick it to Wal-mart, AAPL, and the rest of the NeoLiberal assholes who use Chinese niggard labor for profits.
there is a crack in the BRIC
I stopped reading at "Via Yahoo"
Line of Actual Control? It's curved, it's imaginary, and it's uncontrolled. At least they got the "of" right.
China's economy is on the verge of collapse... that's why they need a good little distraction... Korea, Japan, Philippines, Vietnam or India... whatever necessary so the commie party never gets overthrown...
Maybe offer them asylum and citizenship.
special ops testing india's surveillance capabilities. took them a day(maybe longer) to uncover the "invasion". a day is a long time. could be logistical op on the chinese side to establish strtegic supply lines. could be......... in any case the usa gains from painting the chinese as the bad guy in india because india is the prize in the battle with east asia.
That's why the Chicoms want the area :
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/indl-goods/svs...
Uranium deposits found in Ladakh
Scientists have claimed to have found uranium deposits in the icy heights of Ladakh but the Department of Atomic Energy (DAE) has adopted a cautious approach regarding the commercial importance of the find.
Geologists from the Kumaun University have found "exceptionally high concentration" of uranium and thorium in Udmaru, a small village situated on a volcanic rock formation in the Nubra-Shyok valley in northern Ladakh.
That was 6 years ago... since then, India/China knows what's really under there... and considering China's move... it's rich in resources.
They'll open up a few Asian massage parlors on India's side of the dispute which will be all the peacekeeping needed
there is something oddly amusing about two countries, with populations over 1 billion each, getting into it after one invades the other with some where in the neighborhood of 14 dudes...
don't know why, but it gives me a case of the chuckles.
India is the most corrupt "democracy" on earth. From the unbearable poverty arose a culture of lie or die. The Indians should be considered to be lying about EVERYTHING. They are not to be trusted in any way. Chinese are far more concerned with truth and the people
Yeah America is corrupt but India is even more so... especially in the army. The level of corruption in the army in both China and India would make it hard to accurately predict who would win. What weapons are gonna work... and for how long... big unknown.
So much for the BRICS country friendship.
watch oil.....if this heats up.....Yips!
But, it's all Japan's fault. Isn't it?
TOKYO—Japan is preparing to start up a massive nuclear-fuel reprocessing plant over the objections of the Obama administration, which fears the move may stoke a broader race for nuclear technologies and even weapons in North Asia and the Middle East.
The Rokkasho reprocessing facility, based in Japan's northern Aomori prefecture, is capable of producing nine tons of weapons-usable plutonium annually, said Japanese officials and nuclear-industry experts, enough to build as many as 2,000 bombs, although Japanese officials say their program is civilian.[source]
Note to muppets: this type of waste re-processing does not produce weaponized plutonium; it produces plutonium you can use in plants, and it is then possible to make it into weapons. That Japan has never produced a nuke in its history and doesn't have the manufacturing to produce said bombs is a big tip off. If you think that China et al think that Japan will make weapons from it shows a really bad grasp of the tech.
The USA is attempting to close down nuclear tech across the board, for various reasons, and it's not smart. I've noted elsewhere that Russia and China are building nuclear plants anyhow [source]
Nuke those fucking Chinks today. Not tomorrow, today.
Rhineland redux? or are we up to Czechoslovakia in 1938?
how about an independent op by a disgruntled chinese general
video game developers take note!
Just pipe some Nelson Eddy/Jeanette McDonald music across the valley and see what happens.
the Sun Tsu response should be to send a platoon of infected whores with booze and cigarettes to seduce the Chicom troops.
india is a herd of cats
"Analysts said they were baffled by Beijing's motives, since its actions could force India to move closer to Beijing's biggest rival, the United States"
Baffled? We're led by a spineless, amoral, marxist coward. What is obama going to do to which is not in line with what comrade China would want? Sorry, the non-socialist USA has already exited stage left.
Sun Tzu's Art of War
Cry East
Go West
China is incompetent in foreign policy. This new leadership plays the taunt-the-neighbours game to try rally the popluation as the economy tanks. It ramps up North Korea to keep US satellites in check in Japan and South Korea gets a reaction then tries the other border hoping India will not retaliate by taking out China's ally Pakistan. Meanwhile the US keeps its options open playing with Qatar and Syria as Russia wonders how much more weaponry to acquire