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Greek FinMin Proclaims "Worst Is Over" But IMF Warns "Rich Not Paying 'Fair' Share"

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As the IMF delivers its first 'health check' on Greece since 2009, the beleaguered nation's finance minister proudly proclaims, "the worst is over," and the country had reached its economic trough. However, while the finance minister appears unaware of the people living in caves, the record youth unemployment (that is rising still), and the accelerating non-performing loans (no green shoots there), the IMF remains a little less confident, "Greece's debt remains much too high". As the Sydney Morning Herald reports, Stournaras added that ''in May 2014, the loan installments will come to an end and the country has to be in a position where it can go on its own to the markets.'' We can't wait (with GGBs under 10% yield to see which greater fool snaps up those beauties). The IMF is a little less sanguine warning Greece of its "insufficient structural reforms," and worries of the "socially painful recession." The last jab, in line with the new normal 'template' (that is not a template but really is), "very little progress has been made in tackling Greece’s notorious tax evasion," as the IMF demands, "the rich and self-employed are simply not paying their fair share."

 

Via SMH,

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Yannis Stournaras said ''the worst is over'' and the country had ''reached the [bottom of the] trough''.

 

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Mr Stournaras said attempts to fix the country's parlous public finances are starting to bear fruit, and could allow it to return to financial markets as early as next year.

 

Athens is on course to deliver a primary budget surplus - which does not take into account debt payments - a year ahead of schedule. He added the country had already pushed through two-thirds of the reform measures needed to address the huge holes in the nation's budget. Interest costs on Greece's massive debt have been sharply reduced by the debt restructuring the government has made.

 

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''Whether Greece is able to take the first step of independence from the troika will depend on all that has to happen by then,'' Mr Stournaras told Greece's To Vima newspaper. ''In May 2014, the loan instalments will come to an end and the country has to be in a position where it can go on its own to the markets.''

 

He told Germany's Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung that there were indications that the worst is over. ''For instance, the central bank of Greece told me industrial production is stabilising. Production isn't falling any more and we appear to have reached the trough.''

 

Well if the Central Bank of Greece told you then it must be true!!

 

Via WSJ,

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Greece's debt remains "much too high" and European commitments to lighten it are welcome...

 

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The IMF's recommendations in its latest review of Greece's bailout program bring to the fore the need for future "official-sector involvement" in Greece's €173.5 billion ($227.5 billion) bailout, meaning that governments could in some way forgive some of the money Greece owes them. This so far has been a no-go topic for many of Greece's euro-zone partner countries, Germany in particular.

 

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The IMF said Greece's banks should be fully recapitalized by mid-2013, cautioning against "undue government interference." It added that the whole banking sector should focus on containing and reversing "the mounting tide" of loans in the red.

 

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While Greece will need to find more savings through to 2016 to reach a targeted primary surplus of 4.5% of gross domestic product, the IMF said there is "no room" to tax Greeks more and there is hardly any space left for more cuts in discretionary government spending.

 

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Mon, 05/06/2013 - 17:30 | 3535516 fonzannoon
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LOL the worst is over. Now look forward to the dark ages.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 17:37 | 3535535 McMolotov
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Yeah, way to jinx it, buddy. He just made this the part of the horror movie where the big-tittied coed breathes a sigh of relief right before catching a meat cleaver in the back.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 17:59 | 3535600 malikai
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It would be awesome to see a compilation of finance ministers declaring "The worst is over".

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 18:18 | 3535651 bank guy in Brussels
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Greek FinMin says this while Greek children tragically are going hungry so taxes can go to pay the Troika and banks ... Begging other schoolchildren for food on schoolday mornings

Yes, the Troika are thug gangsters, but the local Greek leaders who betray those hungry children are the ones who should face the full wrath of Greek citizen fury

As cruel, self-serving and tyrannically domineering as the EU and German leaders have been, it strikes me more and more, that, instead of Mediterranean citizens focusing their hatred on Germany, the better focus of anger and hatred would be their own quisling governments, in Cyprus, Greece, Spain, Portugal (and Ireland too) ... their own traitorously corrupt leaders who are submitting to the EU - Troika extortions and mauling of their populations

EU leaders in the Mediterranean who serve the EU, banks, the Troika and the Germans, while local children beg their schoolmates for food, should ponder the December 1989 death of Romania's Nicolae and Elena Ceausescu in a hail of executioners' bullets. Or the similar fate of Vidkun Quisling himself before a Norwegian firing squad in April 1946.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 18:39 | 3535715 Yes We Can. But...
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''Worst is over"...
'Peace in out time'...
'Mission Accomplished'...

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 18:51 | 3535758 flacon
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Greece? Oh, that was just the pre appetizers. Just you wait until the schnitzel arrives for the main course! Keep in mind it's a bazillion course meal, the more you eat the more you owe and the more you owe the more courses there are to keep your mouth sedated. 

 

Any moment now the ocean will turn to lemondade.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 19:32 | 3535872 notbot
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Rich not paying their fair share. Has such a familiar ring to it.

 

Only in the case of Greece, it actually might be true.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 19:06 | 3535809 asteroids
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The FinMin is a "malaka". Look it up.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 22:45 | 3536480 Go Tribe
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Instead of complaining about rich people, why don't the politicians just be honest about it: look, you freeloading corporate queens are rich because we give you tax breaks and subsidies and preferential legal and trade treatment, so stop bitching while we take some of it back.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 17:47 | 3535567 Renewable Life
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One banks/Governments "fair share" is anothers confiscation!!!

I guess it all depends on the defination of the word "fair", right?

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 17:31 | 3535519 Manthong
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Beware rich Greeks baring grifts.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 17:44 | 3535557 New_Meat
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"Beware rich Greeks baring grifts."

eeeeeewwwwwwww!!!!!!!

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 17:44 | 3535561 Manthong
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My way of doing flaming Greek Kaseri cheese is to use Japanese Sake and add an ounce of Everclear to enhance the ignition...  

I call it flaming Greek Nagasaki.

Oopa!

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 18:52 | 3535774 flacon
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Only the rich use Everclear. The rest use kerosine. :)

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 17:33 | 3535524 CCanuck
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The worst is over so the worst of the worst can start.

Opaaaah

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 17:49 | 3535573 Stuck on Zero
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Yep.  The worst is over for the rich.

 

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 18:02 | 3535604 Seahorse
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The darkest hour is just before more darkness.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 17:35 | 3535530 JenkinsLane
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I've got some magic beans for sale that the Greek FinMin is going to be very interested in;

all he needs to do is plant them in Athens and Greek GDP will grow by 10% every year!

 

 

 

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 17:43 | 3535549 Its Only Rock N Roll
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you don't have to plant them, just promise to plant them at a future date and GDP will sprout forth

Tue, 05/07/2013 - 04:12 | 3536775 Popo
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You don't even need to promise to plant them, just promise to discuss the possibility of planting them at a future date.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 17:37 | 3535537 kito
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they now count restaurants serving cannibals in their gdp...............

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 18:04 | 3535603 malikai
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I read that as "restaurants serving cannabis" and thought good for GDP.

Then I reread it..

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 18:08 | 3535623 kito
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the last thing people in a country with a limited food supply want to do is stimulate the appetite for food.................but then again, being lit up might make for tastier human..........

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 17:38 | 3535540 JenkinsLane
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I want to get my hands on some of what Yannis has been smoking - must be good stuff.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 17:49 | 3535541 THE DORK OF CORK
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All of the Greek capital (oil) ration must flow toward the chief IMF shareholders..............

 

The US , UK ,France etc want it all.

 

You are worth more dead then alive in the euro non state.

 

The rich Greek  taxes will not flow into Greek coffers.

 

Therefore from a political viewpoint they are no longer Greek.

There is no Irish , there is no Spanish - rich or poor you are dead meat.

 

Debt is but a instrument -  especially in a world without final settlement.

Its all about real goods consumption when the banks behind these states cannot make a income from the money supply they loan out.

Tue, 05/07/2013 - 09:47 | 3537318 falak pema
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buddy, welcome to world oligarchy empire. 

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 17:41 | 3535547 monad
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"the rich and self-employed are simply not paying their fair share." translate: kill the middle class! kill them all!

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 17:42 | 3535550 Goldilocks
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Tony Bennett & Diana Krall, The Best Is Yet To Come
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tX4rjHMBCQ (3:05)

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 17:43 | 3535551 JenkinsLane
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How the fuck can you say you are running a budget surplus when you ignore debt payments?

I know, I'll go out and buy three homes, ignore the repayments and I'll be a fucking millionaire.

 

I've just grasped Buckler's point from yesterday - it is a world of children, in fact, it's Peter Pan world.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 18:53 | 3535767 Peter Pan
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.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 18:52 | 3535773 Peter Pan
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Thank you for acknowledging
it's my world.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 17:43 | 3535552 dracos_ghost
Mon, 05/06/2013 - 18:40 | 3535727 Parrotile
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She (and others) are not "little people" - the ones who DO have to pay taxes on pain of incarceration or worse.

Seems quite a few of the Big Boys are well above the law (or operate a policy of "do as I say, not as I do". For example, Starbucks, Google and Amazon for US Starters - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2232532/There-profoundly-wrong-Britain-little-people-pay-taxes.html

This Corporate behaviour has also (finally) gained the attention of the Mainstream press, e.g. http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/14/a-tax-system-stacked-against-the-99-percent/ 

An older (but interesting) list of the Top Ten Tax Dodgers. http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1891335_1891333_1891317,00.html All very comfortably wealthy, all could pay a greater contribution to the good of everyone, all determined not to. Seems a few came from California too (which may ring a bell or two!)

 

Tue, 05/07/2013 - 09:41 | 3537287 falak pema
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definition of global oligarch : rule maker of rules that DONT apply to their own elite. Just like Caesar of old or Queen Victoria.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 17:43 | 3535556 booboo
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We don't call them "caves", They are Random Spatial Energy Efficient Nature Dwellings. REITS are already onto the trend and will be relocating the "squatters" as soon as a few more billionaires get the bums rush out of their Villa's.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 17:43 | 3535559 kito
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stability makes sense.....everything has hit zero............zero businesses open.... zero people working........zero people alive...................

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 18:19 | 3535660 IridiumRebel
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Sustainable!

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 17:54 | 3535584 Temporalist
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"I don't think the heavy stuff's gonna come down for quite a while."

http://youtu.be/pmm-ZGNCv-8?t=24s

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 17:54 | 3535588 Joebloinvestor
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Is this guy a realative of the Iraq Saddam era who said no problem and bombs were going off around him?

 

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 18:06 | 3535612 astoriajoe
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That guy was really good at his job. I can't imagine how he kept it together, but he played it straight right to the end.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariq_Aziz

 

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 22:31 | 3536439 StychoKiller
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Tariq Aziz != Baghdad Bob

Wed, 05/08/2013 - 11:16 | 3541196 astoriajoe
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my mistake.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 18:00 | 3535602 monopoly
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This place is better than Saturday Night Live.  "The worst is over for Greece". Got it. Good to hear. LOLOL.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 18:04 | 3535606 prains
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"the rich aren't playing fair" but,but,but.....what taking everything and fuck the rest isn't how they're supposed to roll, shockedface. what are you a damn marxist!! this is free enterprise,the rich should be free to fuck everyone over. They're smarter, work harder and will trickle it down to the plebes when need be. What you know about crapitalism?

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 18:04 | 3535611 Kirk2NCC1701
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I suspect the IMF is right, when they say that "The rich are not paying their fair share".  They should know...

The Rotschilds have never paid their fair share.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 18:10 | 3535626 williambanzai7
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Stupid Greeks should be going after their politicians instead of foreigners. Last time I checked, most tourists are foreigners and Greece is a tourist economy.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 18:17 | 3535635 Yen Cross
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 The worst is over as Stournaras heads off to China to get some Greek for Juanism... What a blatant liar!

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 18:29 | 3535654 IridiumRebel
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Welcome to Thank God It's Cannibalism! I'm Vlad, can I offer you a Blood Sausage App today?!?!?

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 18:23 | 3535666 Element
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"The worst is over" in Greece

I think I heard that in ... May ... 2010 ... 2011 ... 2012 ... and 2013.

How's 'bout that!

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 20:12 | 3535982 Kirk2NCC1701
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Dear Greeks, zee Wurst is yet to come.  - A. Merkel

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 18:49 | 3535760 Peter Pan
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Maybe the worst is over because it's ALL over.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 19:40 | 3535890 q99x2
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The Nazis fixed everything.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 20:09 | 3535967 Kirk2NCC1701
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I've been inspired by a Heavenly creature to start a new world religion.  Not because religions are protected from taxation.  It's based on ideals of what's good for free people.  And not because religions are protected from taxation.  It's based on ideals of what's good for good people.  And not because religions are protected from taxation.  It's based on ideals of what's good for honest people.  And not because religions are protected from taxation.  It's based on ideals of what's good for working people.  And not because religions are protected from taxation.  It's based on ideals of what's good for respectful people.  And not because religions are protected from taxation.  It's based on ideals of what's good for local people.  And not because religions are protected from taxation.  It's based on ideals of what's good for global people.  And not because religions are protected from taxation. 

Peace & Freedom, Good, Honest, Working and Respectful People.  Locally and Globally.

New members are welcome to join the Universal Church of Man.  Contact author. 

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 20:56 | 3536165 suicidalpsychologist
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I'm sure all these rich people will be perfectly fine wether SHTF or not.

Tue, 05/07/2013 - 00:39 | 3536669 dunce
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One corrupt organization that funds crony capitalists with other peoples money is criticizing another corrupt organization (the greek government ) , not for crippling its victim, but for failing to draw enough life blood from it. Government survival is rated more important than the national economic survival.

Tue, 05/07/2013 - 07:14 | 3536900 AgShaman
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Just write some "Equalization of Opportunity Bills" and "Fair Share Laws".

None of the "Soylents" are bright enough to 'catch on' to the scam....they will "go along" with any plan going forward....so long as they don't have to 'tax' their brains.

The last bubble to pop in society will be the largest....a bubble in apathy 

Tue, 05/07/2013 - 09:17 | 3537195 falak pema
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It looks as if it will be an awesome battle now between Statist <Oligarchs and Global Oligarchs; lets see if they can find a way to consensus at the global level; as all consenus is impossible in US Congress. Looks like we are in for a long slog of market doldrums and tax ramp-uppings for the next five years in dormant and apathetic first world.

Obammy as chief statist oligarch along with the FED and the ECB will now pull the rug towards more taxation as will the ECB; all the while stepping on the gas of more print liquidity for the banks to stave off financial Calamity Jane; and the MIC will be boot strapped to do the same in the world's mulitple and oligarchy generated hot spots of radicalised rage.

Divide to conquer but keep that act together, as Machiavelli would say! 

Thats the compromise :  "we will feed the public investment trough and try and restrain the cave in of social safety net all the while we ask the FED to prime the private markets; now totally subservient to OUR central bank controlled wishes. We as big government will now run the FIRE market via the FED and keep the radicals at bay with our military acumen." 

Obammy now can impose on the private oligarchs more pain. 

As he can say : "its that or its cataclysm; and the last five years have shown we have fewer options with every day that passes!"

Will the first world sheeple resist such an awesome reset that is now plain to see to all?                                     Awesome question on both sides of the first world pond!

What will the global oligarchs say to that? Their agenda is not that of Obammy! Or even Mutti's more "Deutsch" centric version.

They don't have much latitude as they caused the problem in first place and Paulson aggravated it to save them. As, if and when the fiat pump stops they lose all, in deflationary fall from oligarchically levitated beatitude, under austerity God's angry call to reality.

Pray and hope oligarchs of both camps, and we sheeple along with them, that you (the splintered oligarchs) don't break the market beyond redemption by thieving each other to point of no return; and that the sun also rises one day to real economic growth, once the fiat cancer has abated;

but when...? 

ZH has always said that eventuality is IMPOSSIBLE...reset inevitable, all the more acute as time flows by.

What ZH had not integrated in its analysis, in the 2009/2011 period that forged its libertarian bias as we have all perceived, is the inevitability of return of big state, the stifling of the market and more central planning to starve the private oligarchy beast and feed the statist one on taxation. To their evident credit is the fact that this awesome, global CB print to infinity of Krugmanist "aliens to the rescue" dimensions is a first time bet of incalculable dimensions. Only time will tell. 

This all began wiith QE/ZIRP and the ECB followed suit caught in the same financial vice. But the tax increase option, BAIL INS instead of just BAIL OUTS,  was not possible in the first Obama presidency. He didn't have the congressional backing then, neither did the EU realise the private to public socialised debt spiral that ensued like a forest fire in Club Med. 

This financial throttling of the banks and their backers by big state should have happened as of 2009 with Obammy election. On both sides of the pond. But I guess he didn't have the bullets to fight the Paulson/GWB cabal legacy. He didn't want to end up like Lincoln...and JFK.

Mutti/Sarko/Brown didn't have the guts nor the ethical honesty in Europe to take on the CIty clowns either.

But I think the penny has now dropped. Just my take BTW. Remember Politics is about REAL options NOT textbook ideology in our western world of democracy, even if this precious construct is fast becoming a fading mirage today.

The world now has a choice between the frying pan of statism on more fire of oligarchy mayhem.

Sisyphus we stay as neither is resolution.

 

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