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Russia, China Urge Respect Of Syrian Sovereignty As UN Finds Only Syrian Rebels Used Chemical Weapons

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Following this weekend's explosive escalation in Syria, the big unknown was how Russia and China would respond: the two countries have long been known to be opposed to the US-Israel axis' involvement and intervention in Syria, although they have so far kept their involvement to a minimum. Today we get the answer: "Russia said on Monday it was concerned the chances of foreign military intervention in Syria were growing following reports of Israeli air strikes around Damascus which were a source of "particular alarm". "We are seriously concerned by the signs of preparation of global public opinion for possible armed intervention in the long-running internal conflict in Syria," Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Lukashevich said in a statement. He suggested those concerns stemmed in part from media reports about the alleged use of chemical weapons in the conflict that has killed more than 70,000 people in two years.

He added:

"The further escalation of armed confrontation sharply increases the risk of creating new areas of tension, in addition to Syria, in Lebanon, and the destabilization of the so far relatively calm atmosphere on the Lebanese-Israeli border."

 

"The internationalization of the extremely dangerous and destructive internal conflict in Syria must not be permitted," he said, calling for "decisive efforts aimed at shifting the events in Syria into a peaceful channel."

China was likewise concerned, and came out "urging restraint", adding that Syria's sovereignty "should be respected" although at no point was Israel called out by name:

"We oppose the use of military force and believe any country's sovereignty should be respected," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying told a regular briefing.

 

"China also calls on all relevant parties to begin from the basis of protecting regional peace and stability, maintain restraint and avoid taking any actions that would escalate tensions and jointly safeguard regional peace and stability," Hua said.

 

Hua, who did not mention Israel by name, was speaking as Netanyahu began a five-day trip to China.

 

His trip coincides with a visit by Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas as China tries to shore up its role in a region where its diplomatic influence is limited.

 

China, a permanent member of the U.N. Security Council, has traditionally had a low profile in Middle Eastern diplomacy, but it is keen to assert a role as an important participant in international politics.

 

Hua, asked if China would urge Netanyahu to stop air strikes, said the Israeli leader had yet to meet Chinese leaders. Netanyahu is due to meet Premier Li Keqiang on Wednesday.

Finally, and confirming this whole development is nothing but one big false-flag facade, earlier we got reports that the UN has heard testimony that Syrian rebels may have used sarin gas, Carla Del Ponte, a UN investigator, said in an interview, Swiss television station RSI’s website says. There is “strong and concrete” suspicion, though not yet any “incontestable” proof according to Del Ponte, and the punchline is that according to "testimony so far suggests only rebels used sarin."

From the Independent:

Carla Del Ponte, a member of the UN independent commission of inquiry on Syria, said that testimony gathered from casualties and medical staff indicated that the nerve agent sarin gas was used by rebel fighters.

 

"Our investigators have been in neighbouring countries interviewing victims, doctors and field hospitals and, according to their report of last week which I have seen, there are strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof of the use of sarin gas, from the way the victims were treated," Ms Del Ponte said in an interview with Swiss-Italian television, broadcast on Sunday. 

 

"This was used on the part of the opposition, the rebels, not by the government authorities," she added, speaking in Italian.

 

Ms Del Ponte added that the inquiry has yet to see any direct evidence suggesting that government forces have used chemical weapons, but said further investigation was required before this possibility could be ruled out.

 

The new claims come one week after the United States said it had "varying degrees of confidence" that sarin had been used by Syria's government on its people.

More warmongering lies by the US government and its Nobel peace prize-winning leader: how inconceivably unpossible...

Does this mean that last week's US witch Syrian hunts, "red lines", and certain evidence that Syria used chemical weapons was really just referring to the US, and Al-Qaeda, supported Syrian rebels? Or was the emergence of this factoid not part of the great propaganda spin?

 


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Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:23 | Link to Comment Element
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Didn't see that coming - NOT.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:29 | Link to Comment TwoShortPlanks
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I see the lines being drawn already. UN versus Zionist Military Industrial Complex (AKA Coalition of the willing).

[The] Iraq all over again.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:29 | Link to Comment JPM Hater001
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I don't suppose anyone wants to ask the rebels who gave it to them do they?

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:31 | Link to Comment negative rates
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Com on now, everybody is a rebel.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:45 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Indeed, when discussing future careers with my children, I seriously considered discussing guillotine manufacturing and undertaker as having bright futures.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:48 | Link to Comment Skateboarder
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Gallowsmaker.

\m/

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:54 | Link to Comment The Juggernaut
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Don't call the USA for help, Israel.  You can be a big bad nazi state all by yourself.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:01 | Link to Comment SWRichmond
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No one should imagine for a moment that this is anything other than a standard proxy-state beginning to a larger global conflict, nor that it is unrelated to the ongoing currency wars.  Next move: Russia (back) into the Caucasus?

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:05 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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As I posted yesterday, Russia has been on board from the beginning.  They are a player for the oil and natural gas.  They need stability to do the extraction.  Once the resources are gone, then they won't give a shit.  But for now, they want to control as much of this extract as possible and have already made a deal with the Jews.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:23 | Link to Comment gmrpeabody
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Note to Tyler... try using a more becoming picture of Carla for your cover story.

She doesn't look all that perceptive or believable...

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:27 | Link to Comment Spirit Of Truth
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Blaming the Evil Joos is a well worn mantra of the Evil One.

Dow 15000 & World War Three?

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:29 | Link to Comment john39
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because central banking and neo-fascism is g-d's work?

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 10:14 | Link to Comment Cortez the Killer
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LMAO.

U.N. as a source

 

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 15:08 | Link to Comment Fish Gone Bad
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I am amused at the timeframe going on.  The US is working on world dominance, yet is just spitting and sputtering along.  It is not like any country or group of countries could or would do anything anyway. 

Here is a simple layout of conquest that does not take years to accomplish:

1. Embargo country

2. Once embargo is in full swing, introduce subtly infected food source aka "the rope". 

This is similar to "The Indian Solution" but does not involve blankets, smallpox, or Indians.

 

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:28 | Link to Comment YHC-FTSE
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You're still pushing that Russian/Israel pact? Seems to me that supporting Israel is the antithesis of fulfilling the need for stability, and the Russians aren't going to run out of their own gas any time in the foreseeable future.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:31 | Link to Comment john39
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not arguing against you really, but it seems that governments these days do not act as a single player.  That is, parts of the Russian government would oppose is-ra-el, while others would not.   and these various internal factions will eventually have to fight it out.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:54 | Link to Comment YHC-FTSE
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True. No arguments about that. Group dynamics being what they are, and applying Asch's theories on peer pressure, it's an interesting exercise in which subgroup dominates a strategic plan.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:37 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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It's not about "running out" dipshit.  It's about power and control over existing supply lines and the extraction technology.  Grow up.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:48 | Link to Comment YHC-FTSE
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Touched a nerve? This is a discussion on the push and pull of geopolitical bullshit, and how it pertains to the impending risk of systemic collapse. Nothing personal.  

Perhaps you ought to curb your infantile anger before asking others to "grow up". Clear enough for you? Maybe WB7 can draw you some nice pictures. :)

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:54 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Not at all, the truth is what it is.  All these fabricated "problems" or "conflicts" have always been about power and control over resources and resource supply lines.  Money is irrelevant as it changes form throughout history (paper money of course) as corrupt states go boom and bust.  Everything else is jibberish, having an intellectual discussion about jibberish is nothing more than mental masterbation.  You want to engage in such, go for it.  I have better things to do.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 10:24 | Link to Comment bgalbreath
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You're not wrong, but I think you are mixing up time perspectives. States and the money they distribute come and go on one time scale, resources come and go on a different (usually longer) time scale. Resource supply methods also come and go on a third time scale roughly intermediate between the other two. Institutions of power change at one rate, while the actual people and factions that control that power change on a generally much quicker tempo. To disparage admittedly quickly changing events in scare-quotes as fabricated "problems" and "conflicts", as jibberish may be unfair to the facts. A short-lived conflict can be very important, can nudge the long term currents into new channels. From a great enough distance, your claims are undoubtedly true. We should not get so caught up in the details that we get distracted from the long term story. But neither are the details totally negligible.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 11:02 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Time is money.  Russia has a genuine interest in resolving this conflict quickly (one way or another), this is the (short term) fact.  

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:48 | Link to Comment Element
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No one should imagine for a moment that this is anything other than a standard proxy-state beginning to a larger global conflict, ...

 

Yes but it won't be recognized as a 'World-War', because the first 9/10ths of it will be passed off as protests and political discontent resulting in urban warfare, and total economic collapse (which came first, the chicken or the egg?), not an actual "global-war", even though the urban destruction will be all over the place.

This time it really will be different, but the result will be the same. The big boys with the really big bombs and the nerve gas will only get into it at the very end. And at that point, there will of course be mitigating circumstances, concocted, that demand forthright and swift actions be taken, and millions slaughtered per day - to save the children!

And that last part will be played as a "Just War" too, ... you can bet on it ... and you can bet the biggest war criminals will win that one too.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:14 | Link to Comment The Heart
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"And that last part will be played as a "Just War" too, ... you can bet on it ... and you can bet the biggest war criminals will win that one too."

Blessings to you Sir E.

One small factoid that might be added is, by the time the real corn pops, there may not be any communications, so when the big war criminals push buttons, many may not even know what or how things escalated so fast. Now, take that EMP thing for instance. Lots to consider in this one small possibility, and it's devastating effects.

Aw shucks, just as always inspired by the Wise Light at the end of the tunnel.

 

 

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:09 | Link to Comment Sofa King Confused
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Russia should send 30 or 40 MIGS over to Syria and blow the Israelis out of the sky if they try that shit again.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:25 | Link to Comment FinalCollapse
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The don't need MIGS to do it. They can fire missiles from ground and blow the Nazi into pieces - even if they are flying far away over Lebanon.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 12:48 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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MIC angle: I'll believe Russian/Syrian capability when I see it.  We have not seen any Russian tech in action, even if used properly.  But this is a perfect time & place to field-test the latest toys on both/all sides.

Resource angle:  Israel needs more Syrian water, and both the US and Israel want an oil/gas pipeline from Iraq via Syria.

Geopolitical angle:  Israel wants weak, fractured neighbor states, and a nuke-free Iran -- so that they become The regional power, which has leveraged access to energy & resources.  Israel has NO intention of ever, ever settling with the Palestinians (native Jews who converted to Islam?) -- no matter what they say or many of its citizens hope or believe.  Iran needs to be nuke-free, so that they cannot fight back with a nuke, if they were invaded, and so that they don't provide one to Hezbollah.  The US wants to keep marginalizing and encircling Russia -- one country at a time. 

To borrow a line:  It's Complicated.  Always has been.

/ But America and its culture doesn't like "Complicated".  They like it simple.  They gotta have their Lone Hero, their Magic Bullet, their single-variable solution to everything.  The whole culture is raised/brainwashed that way, starting with "Sunday school".  It makes it so much easier to define the argument and manage the sheep, when you can reduce everything to one variable.  Who was is it in an upstream blog who said "grow up!"?  I agree:  Grow up! /s

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:33 | Link to Comment The Heart
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"They gotta have their Lone Hero, their Magic Bullet, their single-variable solution to everything.  The whole culture is raised/brainwashed that way, starting with "Sunday school".  It makes it so much easier to define the argument and manage the sheep, when you can reduce everything to one variable."

And they call you Captain, sir.

Reading that the big flashing light goes off and you suddenly have the new movie, Iron Man 3. Blah blah blah, mind control and as you say so perfectly well, "BRAINWASHED that way, starting at Sunday School."

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2962412/Jacobson-Mind-Control-in-USA

Do as they say. Just say no and turn off the drug, TV.

 

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:32 | Link to Comment outofideas
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To be fair, the UN isn't exactly known to be a bastion of unadulterated, freedom loving, truth, are they?

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:49 | Link to Comment Buckaroo Banzai
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Obama says one thing, the UN says another...

FUCK. When two lying liars who lie 100% of the time contradict each other...

It's like that Star Trek episode where the robot's head explodes.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:09 | Link to Comment DeadFred
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But isn't it comforting to hear that someone gave sarin to Al Qaeda? But of course this is the good guy Al Qaeda not the bad guy Al Qaeda which makes it all right.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:32 | Link to Comment Chupacabra-322
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The same terrorists the Criminal Federal Government claim to be protecting us from are the same Al-CIA-duh terrorists they are arming, funding and training through Turkey, NATO and the rest of the parts of the world.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:36 | Link to Comment Ignatius
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Does this mean we now go to war with ourselves for supporting those that use WMDs?

 

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:43 | Link to Comment S5936
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Perfect analysis !!! Nice work Bucko.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:50 | Link to Comment resurger
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We will fix the statment in no time to accomodate the US and Israel agenda

Sorry for the inconvenience.

The United Nations

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 12:58 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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If you have experience with Multi-Party Negotiations, you'd know that it doesn't even have to be a "Lie".  When you have multiple agendas, objectives, constraints and timeliness, it gets so complicated that you get exactly what we have:  A protracted mess! 

But, admittedly, adding "lies" and "conspiracies" to the mix... makes it seem so much simpler and more interesting.  ;-)

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:41 | Link to Comment moonstears
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Lucrative Russian contracts for crude need Assad to prevail, he's what, Oxford schooled? Those elites are back fuckin' stabbers, all! My bad, England's "Eye Hospital" wiki is my friend, and always true!

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:19 | Link to Comment Aurora Ex Machina
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Who do you think was behind the Britam hack? (GREP my comments from Jan if you want).

You know, the one outlining chemical weapon attacks for $?

In January.

 

I'd surmise that the leak (it doesn't matter if it was faked or genuine, but probably genuine) was a deliberate warning over strategy usage. Four months on, it gets used anyhow ~ of course the UN security council members not involved are going to point out the obvious. [edited to be less exact]

 

What they say in public is hardly what they're saying in private however.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 10:23 | Link to Comment GeezerGeek
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Clearly, the rebels discovered the WMD that Saddam buried in the sands of Syria prior to his demise. See, Clinton and Bush were right: Saddam had WMD. We were correct to nail his butt, even if he had no connection to 911. After all, he supposedly did go after Poppy Bush.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 13:22 | Link to Comment ToNYC
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They made molecules from the internet by 3-D printing and old books delivered by religious heli-drones.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:32 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Good, it will only destroy western fiat faster.  Talk about ruining a good thing.  Morons.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:03 | Link to Comment Element
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Every time I see this sort of geopolitical mess develop in the world and the stench of mind-blowing hypocrisy surrounding it, all I can think is, "you stupid bastards deserve everything you get." It doesn't help, but let's face it, the innocent children of such parents never had a chance with parents that dumb and complicit in the whole stinking process. That applies to all sides and tribes.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:10 | Link to Comment HardAssets
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Thats The Grand Plan - - - destroy worldwide fiat, push war right up to the edge of total nuclear destruction . . . so that the resultant turmoil creates a 'need' and cry for the New World Order.

Unfortunately its a feudalistic, Nazi world that they want. They are the enemies of Liberty and the enemies of Humanity.

 

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:22 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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From what I see already, the black markets are booming.  This will backfire in a big way and the world will simply become like Afghanistan as local tribes/clans really rule the local economies.  It's happening already and history is very clear on this.  If it becomes prohibitively expensive to do business in the "official" economy, everyone goes "underground".  Bribes and corruption become the new economy, and the state becomes powerless to do anything about it.  Shit, it's like this in India already as well.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:36 | Link to Comment TwoShortPlanks
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Same Dog, different Fleas. I’ve stated this before, but, back in in 1988 I was training for the first Gulf War a full 9 months prior to Saddam Insane invading Kuwait…this was to test ‘Interoperability’…this was the birth place of the ‘Coalition Of The Willing’...Exercise 'Caltrop Force'.
http://mafb-primo.hosted.exlibrisgroup.com/primo_library/libweb/action/dlDisplay.do?vid=MAFB&docId=MAFB_AULIMP25280&fromSitemap=1&afterPDS=true

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:19 | Link to Comment HardAssets
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TwoShortPlanks - as you probably know, Gen Wesley Clark went to the Pentagon after he retired and found out that the neo-cons had planned to cause the downfall of seven nations in five years in the Middle East/Central Asia region even before 9/11. They are just carrying out their insane game of global geo politics. That is of little solace to the widow of the G.I. whose 20 something husband got killed for the ego gratification, power lust, and profits of these mad men:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4iyBq-xwm4

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:53 | Link to Comment Shell Game
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There's a reason your Momma read you nursery rhymes of wolves dressed in sheep's clothing... The theology of John McCain, Karl Rove, Bill Kristol and ilk, FTMFW.  May they lose their heads...

Tue, 05/07/2013 - 03:25 | Link to Comment thriftymost
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I was at Defense Language Institute back in 1987, and guess what? There were more guys in the Arabic language course than in the Russian--with the Cold War still on, and Soviet Union still bogeyman number one, I figured we were in for some major changes in the world.  I figured right!

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:51 | Link to Comment NuYawkFrankie
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Re Coalition Of The Willing

aka Coalition Of The Koscher

- fixed.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:06 | Link to Comment Proofreder
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You are a ffool (not a typo) frankie ...

http://www.koshercertification.org.uk/whatdoe.html

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:27 | Link to Comment i-dog
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Where's Colin Powell when you need him to produce story boards for the UN of the "evidence"?

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:32 | Link to Comment hungarianboy
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LOL! EPIC post but so true :-)

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:11 | Link to Comment BigJim
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 The new claims come one week after the United States said it had "varying degrees of confidence" that sarin had been used by Syria's government on its people.

Hey, 0.0 to 0.1% confidence shows considerable variance, doesn't it? That's like infinity percent! 

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 10:25 | Link to Comment GeezerGeek
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I have varying degrees of confidence in what the United States government says: somewhere between zero and the square root of minus one. (That's an imaginary number, for those who are mathematically challenged.)

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:42 | Link to Comment spine001
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The saddest part is that Colin Powell believed that the intel was real. He had a lot of credibility among the intel community in the armed forces. They trusted him and went to war with conviction. An reserve intel officer from the navy friend of mine, an idealist in the usa went to Irak for a couple of years. He returned looking into a wall for years. His whole set of values were destroyed by what he lived and saw.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:50 | Link to Comment Skateboarder
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Sorry about your friend. The warfield is no place for an idealist - that's willingly asking for your mind to be thoroughly fucked.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:21 | Link to Comment drdolittle
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Yes, it's really shocking what people will do to each other.

Remember, Gulf war one, 100,000 Iraqi casualties with a population of 18mi. that'd be like 2 mil americans.

Making it a video game with drone's, no face to face killing can only make it worse.

I remember some studies done after WWII. Only about 50% of the grunts actually aimed at other side. most simply couldn't shoot another person.  I think if I'm being shot at I'll shoot to kill but...

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:21 | Link to Comment drdolittle
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Yes, it's really shocking what people will do to each other.

Remember, Gulf war one, 100,000 Iraqi casualties with a population of 18mi. that'd be like 2 mil americans.

Making it a video game with drone's, no face to face killing can only make it worse.

I remember some studies done after WWII. Only about 50% of the grunts actually aimed at other side. most simply couldn't shoot another person.  I think if I'm being shot at I'll shoot to kill but...

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:52 | Link to Comment Buckaroo Banzai
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And then after all that, that pigfucker went and endorsed Obama.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:00 | Link to Comment rqb1
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Navy intel is our best, they are the good guys.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:11 | Link to Comment BigJim
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LOL

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:57 | Link to Comment Shell Game
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Yep.  .....and that is how necons live with themselves.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:40 | Link to Comment HardAssets
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"The saddest part is that Colin Powell believed that the intel was real. He had a lot of credibility among the intel community in the armed forces. They trusted him and went to war with conviction. An reserve intel officer from the navy friend of mine, an idealist in the usa went to Irak for a couple of years. He returned looking into a wall for years. His whole set of values were destroyed by what he lived and saw."

Coming from a military family and having served myself, I see now that military men are often idealistic romantics. Many of them seek to 'serve their country' without understanding what and who in 'their country' actually pulls the strings. Being government employees they usually know very little about real world money, finance, or economics. Theyre used to geting their paycheck and they focus on other things. Many of them are jocks with an 'action orientation'. (Speaking as a former jock).

Some of the finest people Ive ever met were in the military. But, unfortunately, that idealistic outlook enables politicians and especially the money men to run circles around them. If you run a websearch, there's a YouTube recording of a conversation that pres Johnson had about Nixon. At the time, Nixon was interferring with negotiations with North Vietnam. He told the Vietnamese that if they waited for Nixon to become president they could get a better deal. This contributed to the war being lengthened. Men died because Nixon wanted to better his odds of getting elected. And Johnson approved the Tonkin Gulf fake attack on US warships to get America into the war on a larger scale.  Tens of thousands of Americans and over a million Vietnamese died in that war.

These politicians and their financial masters pull the strings of 'the country you serve'.

Military men would do well to learn more about the workings of the financial system and the control exerted by the financial elites. They would do very well to learn American history and the US Constitution which  are not taught in schools and universities today, on purpose.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 10:32 | Link to Comment GeezerGeek
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We need to bring back the draft, if for no other reason than to expose a greater part of the US population to the realities of international power politics. It took a while for the mess in VietNam ot intrude on the sensibilities of middle class America, but then there was a draft. With an all volunteer Army, it's safer for politicians to deploy troops around the world. After all, those soldiers volunteered, didn't they?

POV disclaimer: I got drafted in early 1969. Joined the USAF instead. 

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 11:31 | Link to Comment OpTwoMistic
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Thanks for your service.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 12:30 | Link to Comment A. Magnus
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"He had a lot of credibility among the intel community in the armed forces."

He helped cover up the Mai Lai massacre to kick start his career; if anything he had credibility with the top brass mainly...

"They trusted him and went to war with conviction."

They drank the kool-aid and are now dying from depleted uranium, experimental vaccines and brass who could care if the troops live or die. Fixed it for ya...

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 13:34 | Link to Comment HardAssets
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I guess I'm a cynic, or at least a hardcore skeptic now. Many of them above the rank of colonel (or Navy captain) become politicians once they get their stars. This is especially true with the highest ranking general and flag officers. Powell didnt get to where he was until he was vetted, same with presidents.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 12:41 | Link to Comment nyquil762
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General Powell NEVER believed the intel was real or accurate! He's one of the smartest operators out their. He "took one for his team" (Bush's team). The Bushes made General Powel who he is today. He's a traitor just like the rest of them (the current administration, the previous administration and the one before that and the one before that.....)

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 13:09 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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Not to 'plug' for Simon Black, but as I recall, all those lies that he saw first-hand over there, was pretty much what broke his trust in The Man. 

Last night there was a good episode on 60 Minutes, regarding the real and permanent brain damage that many have suffered.  Damage that only got confirmed when their brains got scanned with better MRI equipment (much higher resolution).

I'd imagine that there must be tons of ex-intel, ex-Mil guys who are totally fed up and disillusioned - but are leveraging their skills and connections for an "afterlife".  Some types of course, are happy to stay on the MIC gravy train, and to keep leasing their principles to the highest bidder.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:42 | Link to Comment achmachat
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at Bohemian Grove with Tony Blair, of course...

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:09 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Wow.....is Tony really going to make it this year?

 

Might have to find a live baby to sacrifice if he's going to be there.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:59 | Link to Comment joak
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Bibin do it himself now... http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2012/09/28/1226483/013698-netanyahu...

They used it for Iran, they can reuse the illustration and change the storyboard.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 10:53 | Link to Comment DawgAss
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"Colin", what a proper name!

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:53 | Link to Comment Wile-E-Coyote
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The British press has been full of it for the last couple of months, how Assad used chemical weapons blaa blaa. No one swallowed it, now its back to massacres. This shit is getting tedious.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:43 | Link to Comment GoldForCash
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Total B/S.....rebels do not have the knowledge or the equipment to use it....BHO's way of pleasing Russia....

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 11:43 | Link to Comment Meremortal
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The headline of this article is crap. Here's what the UN says:

 

Syria chemical weapon fears

UN investigators in Syria say there is 'no conclusive proof' either side of conflict used chemical weapons - @AJELIve

 

Not that I trust the UN either...

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:25 | Link to Comment Lets_Eat_Ben
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What does that have to do with building a military presence in the region so US can dominate petrol reserves for the long haul? C'mon man, get on the trolley!

 

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:41 | Link to Comment Oldballplayer
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The Russians want the control of petroleum. They step in, enlarge the battle and you know Saudi oil production will be hurt.

The only guys standing with lots of oil are Russia and North America.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:06 | Link to Comment silvermail
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All this could end very badly. Putin may at any time prohibit the transit of goods to Afghanistan via Russia. In addition, Putin may at any time to ship weapons to Afghanistan. If he does this, the U.S. military will be in a very difficult situation in Afghanistan.

If the U.S. and its allies can supply weapons to the opposition in Syria, what prevents Putin and his allies to start supply weapons of the opposition in Afghanistan?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yAGE3Bt1yE&feature=player_embedded#at=42

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:15 | Link to Comment BigJim
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I've wondered this on occasion but I think the Russians would be concerned the weapons / training would wind up being used against their own forces in the Caucasus.

Same with the Chinese and the Uighurs.

Any country that is big enough to do the US empire any damage (via supplying weapons to Muslims) has an empire of their own being threatened by other Muslims that they themselves are repressing.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 10:04 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Unless of course all these powers recognized this, rather obvious, problem and simply decided to eliminate these entities entirely.  At the end of the day it is difficult to do business in unstable areas.  Think about how good for business it would be to have all these issues suddenly and "unexpectedly" resolved.  None of us would have seen it coming of course.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:50 | Link to Comment Oldballplayer
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The Russians want the control of petroleum. They step in, enlarge the battle and you know Saudi oil production will be hurt.

The only guys standing with lots of oil are Russia and North America.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:13 | Link to Comment Proofreder
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Patience, grasshopper ...

(takes a moment or two after you hit Save)

especially if you are still on dialup.

/snark

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:23 | Link to Comment drdolittle
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That explains all my double posts. Sorry.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 13:16 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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The big oil reserves left are on CanUSA and MECA (Middle East, Central Asia). 

Russia's will run low (not out) in next 10-20 years.  Same for Mexico.  Venezuela and Africa look interesting to the US and China.

Long Oil and MIC.  Can't have one w/o the other.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 13:17 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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The big oil reserves left are on CanUSA and MECA (Middle East, Central Asia). 

Russia's will run low (not out) in next 10-20 years.  Same for Mexico.  Venezuela and Africa look interesting to the US and China.

Long Oil and MIC.  Can't have one w/o the other.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 11:44 | Link to Comment Meremortal
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Yes, like the US did by taking Iraq's oil.

 

Oh wait...

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:26 | Link to Comment JohnnyBriefcase
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I give it about two weeks until another "Syria uses chemical weapons on babies!" Headline appears.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:49 | Link to Comment Winston Churchill
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In hospital incubators.Then turning the bodies into soap ?

They never get tired of the old script.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:04 | Link to Comment HowardBeale
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"Soap used by Syrian soldiers to wash their balls after raping little boys."

That should be most of the headline.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:17 | Link to Comment BigJim
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In rape camps, illuminated by lamps shaded with holocaust-era human skin?

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:48 | Link to Comment Ignatius
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During halftime of the Monday Night game....

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:43 | Link to Comment sweaty7
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Syrian president throws sack full of puppies into chemical weapons vat

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 10:36 | Link to Comment GeezerGeek
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PETA would object to that. Obama would lament the waste of food.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:44 | Link to Comment sweaty7
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BTW, isn't baby killing pretty bullish?

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 10:37 | Link to Comment GeezerGeek
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Worked for Kermit Gosnell, until it didn't...

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:28 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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But I'll go ya one better if you got the nerve [gas], let's race all the way... to Dead Man's Curve...

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:18 | Link to Comment Proofreder
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RIP Jan Berry

Thanks for the memories !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YWzN1A-G9g

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:27 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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"Russia said on Monday it was concerned the chances of foreign military intervention in Syria were growing"

Growing? So what happened over the weekend did not happen, but the chance of it happening are growing. Interesting.

 

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:33 | Link to Comment negative rates
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If it doesn't affect the economy in a negative way, the military intervention is not growing. New rules, get used to them.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:42 | Link to Comment kito
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Russia's way of saying its got no dog in this hunt....

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:47 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Definitely not, unless Bernank ramps the monthly injection of hot Clownbux to stawks to around $200 billion/month.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:50 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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send in the clowns... don't bother, they're here...

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:14 | Link to Comment Bearwagon
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and the farce is with 'em ... always ...

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:49 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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200 bil a month coming up!

 

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:50 | Link to Comment kito
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Mish and professor fekete like gold and both see deflation.....I'm sold....do I wait for another smackdown????

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:56 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Just buy it before you change your mind. You won't be sorry.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:19 | Link to Comment BigJim
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I bought quite a bit just before the smackdown, when it was around $1600 an ounce.

Am I sorry? Yup!

If I get any more readies will I be buying more, here at $1475? Yup :-) 

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 13:34 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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Just like LoP, I think I'm gonna start Mantra- chanting and branding my own one-liners:

1. "In the absence of trust or reliable information, one proceeds on Principle.  Hedge and Diversify accorrdingly". 

2. "When it comes to investing, some people love their 1-cylinder bikes and swear by them.  I guess they are simple & easy to acquire & maintain, and I get their sense of 'freedom'.  But my needs, preference and budget is for V6 and V8 cars".

3. "Possession of PM bullion may be part of that plan, but should not be the entire plan."

Copyright 2013, All Rights Reserved.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:55 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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I'm all in with Small Cap Bull 3x ETF TNA . I'm working on taking a mortage out and maxing out the credit cards to leverage that position even further. I'm going to be rich with fiat baby!

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:03 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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peter piper picked a peck of pickled paper...

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:27 | Link to Comment SilverRhino
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Obama and company look like total douchebags .... again.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:32 | Link to Comment azzhatter
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It's easy for a douchebag to look like a douchebag

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:36 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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The day that they don't look like douchebags will be news.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:04 | Link to Comment I am more equal...
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Unfortunately the 'news media' is the used content from the douchebag and will go down the drain for their master.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:54 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Hmmm yea....I thought the whole deal with ObaMao was 'Elect me, and the whole world will be the most peaceful it's ever been!'

Guess not so much.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:17 | Link to Comment Bearwagon
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Hmmm ... I remember the deal moar like: "Elect me on tuesday, I'll produce 'good old Shoe' wednesday" ...

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:02 | Link to Comment HowardBeale
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Douchebags are bloody things...

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:28 | Link to Comment mydogisprettier...
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wow....you mean the rebels whom WE armed and backed to take out Assad are the ones who used chemical weapons??? hhahahahahahaha

 

Now Israel bombed them thinking we would help......hahahahahahahahahahaha

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:56 | Link to Comment Buckaroo Banzai
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I know this sounds hard to believe, but doesn't this turn of events suddenly make the Israelis the good guys? For making Obama look like a douche, I mean.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:23 | Link to Comment BigJim
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The whole area is populated with douches... Zionist douches, Islamist douches, secularist oil oligarch douches... you name it, there's a douche in every colour, it's a veritable rainbow fest of douchedom.

edit: bit like the rest of the planet, really. 

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:53 | Link to Comment Ignatius
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The enemy of my enemy is still a douche.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:29 | Link to Comment the not so migh...
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Al-Quada has Israel air support now, OBL must be laughing his ass off.   Its like spiting on 9/11 victims.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:45 | Link to Comment Terminus C
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OBL is laughing his ass off alright... laughing at the sheep who still believe that Al Queada is an enemy of the US/Israeli gov't and not a covert arm of it.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 13:49 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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'Reducto ad absurdum' principle... So, using your argument and taking it to its logical extreme, OBL is actually still alive -- presumably quite comfy, somewhere back home in S.A. -- and his Capture was just good theater on the Mil-channel, and useful political mileage for BHO.  With the unintended consqeuence of providing the Chinese with helicopter stealth technology.  Otherwise a nice Exit Strategy though, to free up resources for other 'Theaters'.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:06 | Link to Comment nonclaim
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The enemy of your enemy is not your friend can be read in different ways. You can help one to weaken the other but only so much... after that it will be between you two. I'm sure Obama wants the rebels to reach the cache to widen the war to the whole region... but Israel said no. Russia doesn't care who runs Syria as long as it remains under her boot.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:27 | Link to Comment BigJim
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Exactly. I f Israel has its way they'll be supplying weapons alternately to whichever is the weaker side until the Sunnis and Shiites wipe each other out, and the Zionists can then honestly say Eretz Israel really is a Land Without a People, so why should they annex it?

No need to repress the locals if the locals have all killed each other.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:30 | Link to Comment q99x2
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If Obama wants to kill Arabs he's going to kill Arabs and no one is going to stop him. He's a US president. That's what US Presidents do.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:55 | Link to Comment Louie the Dog
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If Obama wants to kill Arabs he's going to kill Arabs and no one is going to stop him.

If he does that would be the only thing he's done right. 

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:32 | Link to Comment adr
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War, huh, yeah. What is it good for? Absolutely everything.

New lyrics aproved by the Nobel Peace winning administration.

Getting us out of depressions

Killing usless eaters

Allowing speculators to unload oil contracts at far higher prices, even with record inventories and a collapse in demand

Allowing defense stocks to skyrocket during sequestration that was supposed to ruin them

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:34 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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U.S. oil demand may have collapsed, but the Eastern world has plenty of demand and credit. 

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:59 | Link to Comment HowardBeale
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It's been a long time, so I can't remember well, but what happens when one player ends up with all the property and money in Monopoly...

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:26 | Link to Comment Proofreder
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GAME OVER !!

(all you stuff is belong to us now)

You know, there is no gold and silver backing Monopoly money ... perhaps one is as good as the other?

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:33 | Link to Comment JustObserving
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Urge respect for Syrian sovereignty after more than 300 Syrian soldiers killed and probably 1000 injured?  If Syria had attacked Israel and 300 Israelis were killed and 1000 injured, what's the chance that the US would say Syria should respect Israeli sovereignty?  

This is a farce.  If you do not have nuclear weapons in this world, you have no chance at justice or fairness. Have to agree with the following:

Israel’s bombing of Damascus International Airport Thursday night and Syrian army targets across Damascus yesterday morning are unprovoked and illegal acts of war, abetted by Washington and its European allies as part of their escalating campaign against Syria.

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/05/06/pers-m06.html

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:35 | Link to Comment Divine Wind
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I wonder if these were the same Russians who this past week docked a warship in Israel for the first time in history?

 

 

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:38 | Link to Comment the not so migh...
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i am woundering if that is a trojan horse, crazy russians self detonating a nuke taking the whole country with it.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:49 | Link to Comment Divine Wind
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The whole country? Impossible.

The port and part of Haifa, theoretically, but unlikely.

The Israelis perform extensive searches of all ships entering the ports, even as far putting divers in the water for hull inspections.

I think Assad's days are numbered.

Last year, Dmitry Anatolyevich Medvedev made pretty much the same statement.

Soon, Syria will be carved up into sectors, with the Russians dominating the area around Tartus.

 

 

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:29 | Link to Comment BigJim
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Don't know who down-arrowed you - your post makes perfect sense

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 09:35 | Link to Comment Bearwagon
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He has some fans, who don't care what he posts. And there are still botchez at work, bitchez!

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:57 | Link to Comment HowardBeale
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Too bad they can't park one of those in D.C.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:37 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Some little rebel group got sarin chemical weapons from who?

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:44 | Link to Comment Fips_OnTheSpot
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Does it matter? Now Assad has some spun "reason" to retaliate w/ chemicals and boom, there you've your red line crossed. Easy tactics.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:38 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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DOW futures +1....trollololol

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:39 | Link to Comment Shizzmoney
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I bet BOTH sides use dirty chemicals.

Their Arabs, man...they will do ANYTHING TO WIN.  The Geneva convention are just suggestions to them, not actual laws.

 

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:49 | Link to Comment negative rates
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I don't know so much about that, if you use your linear tools in Iran, you get arrested for being a spy. If you don't use them here, you are arrested as a fool or even a retard. So being a U.S. gvt elite, requires one to be a retarded or foolish spy. 

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:40 | Link to Comment bugs_
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Trust the UN.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:43 | Link to Comment rsnoble
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I'm tired of the suspense and slow death let's get this fucking show on the road.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:44 | Link to Comment Debugas
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sarin unlike antrax is impossible to trace back to production facilities so

we shall probably never know

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 08:45 | Link to Comment 22winmag
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The unilateral use of nuclear weapons, agent orange, and depleted uranium is only for the United States. All others must fill out the proper request forms.

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