Senate Passes Online Sales Tax Bill

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As previewed previously, one half of the hurdle to enforce a universal online US sales tax has now been crossed, with the Senate voting moments ago to pass a Wal-Mart backed bill 69-27 allowing states to collect taxes on out of state Internet and catalog sales. The bill would end the era of tax-free Internet shopping. During the debate, senators offered examples of consumers who examine products in stores and then shop online to avoid paying sales tax. The pretext? Why fairness of course.  “This bill is about fairness,” said Senator Mike Enzi, a Wyoming Republican and co-sponsor of the measure. “It’s about leveling the playing field between the brick-and-mortar and online companies.”

However, while the bill's success in the Senate was given, its passage in the House appears far more problematic. As Bloomberg reports, "the bill goes to the Republican-controlled House of Representatives, which probably won’t act quickly or pass a measure in the same form as the Senate. Representative Bob Goodlatte, a Virginia Republican and chairman of the Judiciary Committee, has said that while he wants to address the issue, he is concerned it would create complexity for businesses and make them vulnerable to audits by multiple states."

In other words, the House's definition of fair appears slightly off from that of the Senate.

It also differs from that of online mega retailer Amazon, which apparently has decided that if it can't fight them, to at least join them, and make the life of all other online retailers who never lost as much money as it did, or had nearly as horrible operating margins as AMZN, let alone a #Ref! P/E multiple, living hell and if possible crush and bankrupt them by any ways possible just so AMZN could finally lever up its business model of becoming the biggest at any and every price.

The measure, supported by the Obama administration, attracted a coalition of backers including Best Buy Co. (BBY), Amazon.com Inc. (AMZN) and shopping mall owners. Amazon, the largest Internet-based retailer, is expanding into more states to speed delivery, which means it will pay taxes anyway.

And why not: AMZN benefited from  a no sales tax policy for decades. Now that it believes it is large enough and has enough scale (if no actual profit) it may as well join the dark side.

Luckily, there are those who still believe that handing over even more private sector cash to the government to burn at will is not the best option.

Opponents maintained that the bill would unfairly burden small businesses with paperwork and audits, create a tax advantage for foreign sellers and potentially allow state-level transaction taxes. Detractors included anti-tax groups, direct marketers and senators from states without sales taxes.

 

I fear that what we’re going to do is crush a lot of those start-ups, a lot of those small businesses,” said Senator Ron Wyden, a Democrat from Oregon, which doesn’t have a sales tax.

Of course you are: that is what Amazon, Best Buy, and Wal Mart are hoping for. And since by passing said bill it merey makes government even bigger, one can bet their bottom untaxed dollar, that it is only a matter of time before the House also passes a version of the bill.

Remember: it's only fair.

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Mon, 05/06/2013 - 19:56 | 3535917 surf0766
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Fuck Fairness

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 20:00 | 3535929 Jay Gould Esq.
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The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedients, and by parts.

- Edmund Burke

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 20:01 | 3535936 surf0766
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Liberty is already gone

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 20:06 | 3535953 krispkritter
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All your Internets is belong to us...(pricks!)

Enough ain't enough until enough is enough! Fuck you Uncle Sam...

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 20:08 | 3535962 oddball
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Long Craigslist.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 20:11 | 3535977 Fukushima Sam
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This will be another hit to the USPS revenue...

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 20:15 | 3535994 TwoShortPlanks
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Fuck the Free World; I want Perma-Sales!

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 20:22 | 3536029 nmewn
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DOA in the House...just sayin.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 20:23 | 3536032 CH1
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This is how fascism works.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 20:28 | 3536046 american eyedol
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someone needs to tax congress please

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 20:50 | 3536135 Triggernometry
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If the IRS can already snoop into our shopping records, isn't this moot?

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 21:05 | 3536198 Troll Magnet
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Fucking assholes. All of'em!

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 21:08 | 3536206 Stackers
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Uh, doesnt the Constitution clearly say all tax bills must originate in the House of Reps ????

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 21:21 | 3536254 grunk
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You read the Constitution. You're now on a watch list somewhere.

Tue, 05/07/2013 - 01:23 | 3536709 whotookmyalias
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The solution to not enough government is always more government.  Love how Amazon opposed state tax until they were forced to collect it and now they think it's a great idea.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 21:35 | 3536247 Supernova Born
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Make it only apply to businesses with locations in more than one state, or exempt small business under a certain size.

Poison Pill for Amazon et al.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 20:57 | 3536168 dryam
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Weird, I never heard this "fairness" argument with the TBTF banks.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 20:29 | 3536053 nmewn
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Yep, owe your soul to the company store & .gov always gets their cut.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 20:48 | 3536123 oddball
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So are you saying the House has our backs?  hahahhaha America is screwed.  At least we know the monkey court will side for the people.  hahahhahahha

 

 

 

 

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 20:49 | 3536128 Freddie
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You think? The Senate needs to have term limits (one term max) and 3 year not 6 year terms. The House always fears elections. I f***in hate the scum in The Senate.

The whole thing (congres, presidency, SCOTUS, everything) is joke anyway so I am not sure why I even bother.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 22:06 | 3536373 nmewn
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The senate bill is dead this close to mid-terms, it will be bottled up in committee.

"House Speaker John Boehner plans to send the bill to the House Judiciary Committee, a senior Republican aide said. That will mean hearings ahead. The Senate uncharacteristically bypassed this step.

 

Judiciary Committee Chairman Robert Goodlatte, a Republican, has reservations about the legislation, including its complexity and potential impact on small businesses, a spokeswoman said.

 

Goodlatte has yet to schedule any hearings on it, she said."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/06/net-us-usa-tax-internet-idUSBRE9450QZ20130506

Who woulda thunk the internet high tech crowd, rascally TPer's and republicrats had so much in common inside the House ;-)

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 22:37 | 3536459 Freddie
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I hope Amnesty is dead too. These evil f***s in Washington Dc are evil scum.

Tue, 05/07/2013 - 00:19 | 3536537 Mr Nice Guy
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An incremental and less draconian approach than the one you suggest might be feasible, e.g., begin by term-limiting the Senate to no more than three consecutive generations.

Tue, 05/07/2013 - 05:30 | 3536816 Disenchanted
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@ nmewn

re: "DOA in the House...just sayin."

 

Weren't you also one of those who thought ObamaCare was DOA at SCOTUS...

 

LOL! @ you still thinking one political/ideological faction is better than the other.

Tue, 05/07/2013 - 06:21 | 3536842 nmewn
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Yes I was. Who would have ever thought Roberts would side with an evil old stooped over bitch like Ginsberg. But it still doesn't make it proper or fair to force anyone to buy something under threat of law does it?

Hitler had laws and judges too.

Was his faction better than any other? ;-)

Tue, 05/07/2013 - 09:40 | 3537286 Disenchanted
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If I may be so bold, here's a suggested reading assignment for ya:

Our American Pravda
Tue, 05/07/2013 - 09:57 | 3537353 KnightTakesKing
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Wow, good stuff. Thanks for the link...

Tue, 05/07/2013 - 10:16 | 3537406 Disenchanted
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You're welcome. This is the part(and especially that which I've bolded) of that I thought applicable to my exchange with nmewn:

 

 

A likely reason for this wall of uninterest on so many important issues is that the disasters involved are often bipartisan in nature, with both Democrats and Republicans being culpable and therefore equally eager to hide their mistakes. Perhaps in the famous words of Benjamin Franklin, they realize that they must all hang together or they will surely all hang separately.

 

We always ridicule the 98 percent voter support that dictatorships frequently achieve in their elections and plebiscites, yet perhaps those secret-ballot results may sometimes be approximately correct, produced by the sort of overwhelming media control that leads voters to assume there is no possible alternative to the existing regime. Is such an undemocratic situation really so different from that found in our own country, in which our two major parties agree on such a broad range of controversial issues and, being backed by total media dominance, routinely split 98 percent of the vote? A democracy may provide voters with a choice, but that choice is largely determined by the information citizens receive from their media.

 

Most of the Americans who elected Barack Obama in 2008 intended their vote as a total repudiation of the policies and personnel of the preceding George W. Bush administration. Yet once in office, Obama’s crucial selections—Robert Gates at Defense, Timothy Geither at Treasury, and Ben Bernake at the Federal Reserve—were all top Bush officials, and they seamlessly continued the unpopular financial bailouts and foreign wars begun by his predecessor, producing what amounted to a third Bush term.

 

Consider the fascinating perspective of the recently deceased Boris Berezovsky, once the most powerful of the Russian oligarchs and the puppet master behind President Boris Yeltsin during the late 1990s. After looting billions in national wealth and elevating Vladimir Putin to the presidency, he overreached himself and eventually went into exile. According to the New York Times, he had planned to transform Russia into a fake two-party state—one social-democratic and one neoconservative—in which heated public battles would be fought on divisive, symbolic issues, while behind the scenes both parties would actually be controlled by the same ruling elites. With the citizenry thus permanently divided and popular dissatisfaction safely channeled into meaningless dead-ends, Russia’s rulers could maintain unlimited wealth and power for themselves, with little threat to their reign. Given America’s history over the last couple of decades, perhaps we can guess where Berezovsky got his idea for such a clever political scheme.

 

Tue, 05/07/2013 - 19:11 | 3539127 nmewn
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Certainly Dis...it hasn't escaped my attention that both parties are different shades of grey.

But you are no different from me, just another shade of grey, that we (you and I) can somehow get over it, even when we don't always see it the same way, says something we both want.

If a new party is to be found among the likeminded (though not always same minded people) there will have to be some hard and fast absolutes we agree on.

Two of mine are...the government can only spend what it takes (recognize the word please...it takes) in taxation and absolute recognition of firearms as a civil right, just as intended when this thing was setup.

These are both constant attacks on our present freedom & liberty and our childrens future which are used to divide us.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 20:23 | 3536030 Shell Game
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Long Bartertown.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 20:49 | 3536127 oddball
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More just at this point.  Where is my fucking chainsaw?

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 21:39 | 3536306 Never One Roach
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You're going to see more "Flea Markets" and things like Farmers' Markets but not only for fruits but also for other items just like in Europe and in most 3rd world countries where people set up a booth and sell everything from shoes to computers to jewelry and books. The wealthy will still buy at the higher prices online but for many people the only way to, lets say buy your kid a new iPad or Chaps sweater, will be to go to one of these 'Flea Markets' and barter or pay. Maybe pawn shop business will be the place to be in the future.  I don't know. Wasn't there an article on ZH today saying 22% of the EU economy is "underground?" There's a reason for it. Could it be their 18% VAT?

 

I see a serious, tougher, slog ahead for most Americans.....just as El Erian said last week.....but saying the obvious.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 21:42 | 3536316 TeMpTeK
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sales tax is levied on the seller for the privilige of doing business "Within" a particular jurisdiction.. How the fuck can another taxing authority from another state go after a seller who isnt in their jurisdiction?? Every online seller will have to keep track of tax rates for 9,000 taxing jurisdictions in the US...... Hopefully this goes over like Real ID.. Where everyone just looks up at the Feds and says... Fuck You!

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 22:36 | 3536461 yogibear
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Cash.  No paper trail.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 20:33 | 3536069 Town Crier
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Why is it the government's job to run around "leveling the playing field" anyway?

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 21:09 | 3536211 Professorlocknload
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Because the gumnut owns both the game and the field it's played on.

 

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 21:20 | 3536248 Town Crier
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No, they don't.

Tue, 05/07/2013 - 11:25 | 3537625 e-recep
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then try your chances and see who owns what.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 21:55 | 3536354 HardAssets
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"Why is it the government's job to run around "leveling the playing field" anyway?"

They create level playing fields when they drop daisy cutters and napalm - - - they are very experienced in this kinda thing.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 21:40 | 3536311 Never One Roach
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I bet Al Gore regrets inventing the internet now.....

 

[sarc/on]

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 20:11 | 3535979 buyingsterling
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But it only applies to businesses with sales over $1 million per year, you know, 'the rich'.

1. It will soon apply to all, since those business will now join Walfart and Worst Buy in lobbying for it to hammer everyone.

2. The online environment is one with low margins, just about anyone making a half-way decent living online has to sell $1 million+ to get by.

3. It will in time apply in all places to gold and silver, since exluding them would be 'unfair' (probably one of the most evil and mis-used words every coined).

4. The internet is the last relatively free thing on the planet. This was inevitable. Bring the crash, bring the reset, hang the responsible.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 20:27 | 3536043 CH1
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The internet WAS the last relatively free thing on the planet.

Fixed it for ya.

Bitcoin is now a relatively free thing, and hopefully 3D printing joins it.

Private wifi Internet is easy and cheap to build, but it requires people to ACT, rather than spending the whole of their lives complaining.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 22:15 | 3536334 TwoShortPlanks
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@BuyingSterling

"But it only applies to businesses with sales over $1 million per year, you know, 'the rich'."

LOL...yeah, the people who invest in industry! This means that banks must be lenders across the board since they're so cashed up these days....The West is rapidly becoming a 'Banking State'.

EDIT: an 'Even-More-Banking State'

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 20:36 | 3536047 HardAssets
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I heard a very interesting interview on TragedyandHope.com recently. The particular speaker had found a very old book by an American who had taken part in the Boston Tea Party. This happened in 1773 when a bunch of Americans (known as the Sons of Liberty) dressed up as Indians and dumped tea into Boston harbor. Well we've been taught in the public 'schools' (at least years ago when they actually taught history) that the Americans were upset at having to pay the tax. Some have said the amount was insignificant and was to pay for the upkeep of the defense of the colonies.  It seems the true story was that the tax was enacted at the request of those who ran the biggest multinational corporation of the time, the British East India company. They wanted the tax to be levied in order to drive their American competitors out of the tea business. The Americans were angered at their  continued exploitation by the big government/big corporate insider merchantilism/cronyism system that they found themselves subjects to. For some reason those Americans didnt think their ultimate purpose in life was to be hosts to the parasites.

Sound familiar ?

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 20:45 | 3536112 HulkHogan
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I love TragedyandHope.com. Everyone should give them a look and then donate some money. I am only a fan, and not involved with the site in any way.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 20:59 | 3536174 Freddie
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This happened in 1773 when a bunch of Americans (known as the Sons of Liberty) dressed up as Indians and dumped tea into Boston harbor.

Sounds like a false flag operation.

Could you imagine today?   All of Boston would be shut down, people forced to stay in their home under martial law with people forced to stay inside.   The Sons of Liberty would be arrested as terrorists and they would also be fined millions by the EPA for poisoning the harbor.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 21:04 | 3536191 knukles
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LOL
Poisoning Boston Harbor
Oxymoron

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 22:40 | 3536468 NeedtoSecede
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LMAOSOAA!

Laughing my ass off sitting on an airplane. Freddie, that was an all-timer! Well done sir!

Tue, 05/07/2013 - 00:07 | 3536607 Freddie
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+1

Have a safe flight.  I used Bongo (?) on a flight once to connect to my desktop at the office using LogMeIn.  It was crazy fast like I was sitting at my desk.  I had to contort like a pretzel to see my laptop in coach seats.   The AH in front wanted to snooze and put their seat back.  LOL!   Why can't I be a bankster with my own jet. 

I am done with being groped by TSA and being irradiated like dead chicken at their checkpoints.  F them!  Safe travels.  ;-)  

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 21:03 | 3536188 A82EBA
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