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White House Says Ignore Facts, Assad "Likely" Behind Syrian Chemical Weapons After All

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When it comes to the deep hole of lies and inconsistencies that US foreign policy is vis-a-vis Syria, it has two options: stop digging or double down. Following the earlier report by the UN that outright rejected the full blown White House propaganda push to make it seem that it was Assad's regime that was using chemical weapons as a front to stage a military incursion against a very unappealing despot, that it was the Al-Qaeda assisted and potentially US-armed rebels who had in fact been using toxic sarin gas, there was some hope that the digging would stop. Instead, the doubling down began.

From AP:

The White House says it's highly likely that Syrian President Bashar Assad's regime, not the rebel opposition, was behind any chemical weapons use in Syria.


White House spokesman Jay Carney says there is certainly evidence that chemical weapons have been used. But Carney says the U.S. is highly skeptical of claims that rebels put them in play.

Indeed, when presented with fact, Carney gets highly skeptical. Recall from earlier:

Carla Del Ponte, a member of the UN independent commission of inquiry on Syria, said that testimony gathered from casualties and medical staff indicated that the nerve agent sarin gas was used by rebel fighters.


"Our investigators have been in neighbouring countries interviewing victims, doctors and field hospitals and, according to their report of last week which I have seen, there are strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof of the use of sarin gas, from the way the victims were treated," Ms Del Ponte said in an interview with Swiss-Italian television, broadcast on Sunday.


"This was used on the part of the opposition, the rebels, not by the government authorities," she added, speaking in Italian.


Ms Del Ponte added that the inquiry has yet to see any direct evidence suggesting that government forces have used chemical weapons, but said further investigation was required before this possibility could be ruled out.

The above is trivial: who needs facts when you still have the world's reserve currency, and the "moral high ground"?

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Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:08 | 3534743 Smegley Wanxalot
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Fuck the facts.  We got a war to start here, man! 

There's gold in them thare lies!

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:12 | 3534760 Abraxas
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Arrggh! Those Syrians are making me mad. Not only do they use the chemical and biological weapons on their own people, but they are trying to blame these nice and polite democracy-loving rebels for that. WHAT HYPOCRACY!!!

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:13 | 3534768 localsavage
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As long as Bibi is happy that is what is important here.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:16 | 3534785 azzhatter
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I wonder if Bibi gets a 4 hour boner from his bombs

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:22 | 3534806 LasVegasDave
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I knew it was Al-Ciada all along, acting on behalf of the zionist neocons.

You know, I sound and feel so smart just saying shit like that.


Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:26 | 3534825 otto skorzeny
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another JDL cunt heard from.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:31 | 3534858 forwardho
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Yes,  But who are we supposed to hate?

I look to Washington for....


Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:37 | 3534883 mkhs
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Very persceptive.  It is well known that DC hates us for our constitutional freedoms.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 15:33 | 3535129 Troll Magnet
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Just give Barack another Nobel Peace Prize and be done with it!

Unless Bibi is in the running...

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 16:13 | 3535265 Chupacabra-322
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The same terrorists the Criminal Federal Government claim to be protecting us from are the same Al-CIA-duh terrorists they are arming, funding and training through Turkey, NATO and the rest of the parts of the world.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 16:44 | 3535350 Goldilocks
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blindman: can you live with this?


Beyond Treason(2005) Documentary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZVOOmi9gDE (1:28:54)

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 16:59 | 3535414 Go Tribe
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We're with the freedom fighters and we're here to help you.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 20:21 | 3536022 giddy
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...ummmm...get some DGs to cunt-punt the jerk...

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 16:12 | 3535251 Kirk2NCC1701
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LVD, I may be a 'smart ass', but now you're just plain 'mean': 

You know that every time you "yank the chain", the predictable few will "bark".  And their friends will chime in with slings & arrows.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:29 | 3534844 freewolf7
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Bibi could've played the "terrorist" in Iron Man 3
instead of Ben Kingsley.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:44 | 3534916 Precious
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Are we talking about the same Netanfuckyou here?

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:13 | 3534770 spastic_colon
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first al gore is as wealthy as mitt, now obama is as sneaky as george (chemical weapons = wmd's) when all else fails just plagarize

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:28 | 3534841 Dr. Richard Head
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No shit.  Talk about a broken record.

Donald Rumsfeld meets with Saddam and ensures delivery of chemical weapons to his regime.

Saddam uses the weapons systematically to kill over 100,000 Kurd civilians.

Chemical warfare one of the reasons stated for Gulf War.


Now, all we have to do is substitute "rebels" for Saddam and the game will be complete. Fucking neoconservative war mongers.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:36 | 3534869 McMolotov
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The word "surreal" tends to be overused, but it definitely applies here.

We arm Saddam, then we go to war with him. We go to war with Al Qaeda, then we arm them. It's so fucking bizarre, and yet most people will probably fall for the song and dance all over again.


"How fortunate for governments that the people they administer do not think."

—Uncle Adolf

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 15:02 | 3534992 JOYFUL
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You know, the word 'surreal' could be applied here....

but it simply would not do justice to the situation we find ourselves in. Because... in the modern day, we've been trained to look askance at all notions of 'magic' ... 'necromancy' ... 'spell casting'... and the like. So... it's outta bounds to actually just say... this is some kind of cabbalist black magic necromantic spell casting trick being played out upon millions of Merikans(and others!) to totally delude and cause them to lose their senses. Turn them into mindless Sio-mbies pretty much.

I could repackage that paragraph... and cause it to read something or other about mind control technologies... pervasive cultural war continuums to instill crazy ideas in kids, the media's blantant efforts to dumb down, hypersexualize and disorient the populace, and the continual training of peoples brains to focus of key word triggers at the expense of actual thinking ....leaving them pretty much mindless lumps of clay to be refashioned into zombie like hordes of bloodlusting maniacs.

But I really prefer the first version... just cause it's closer to the actual truth!

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 16:15 | 3535186 Urban Redneck
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"Spooky" ... not that the truth isn't moreso

From the section Conclusions:

Third, Russia will also continue to try to use the United Nations to examine various aspects of IW, and to slow down progress in the west.  The United Nations represent Russia’s best opportunity to assemble an international forum against the growing perception of unilateralism on the part of the U.S. in the IW arena.  (IW = Information Warfare)


The views expressed in FMSO publications and reports are those of the authors and do not necessarily represent the official policy or position of the Department of the Army, Department of Defense, or the U.S. Government.

Or if the full blown sexed-up mind control, brain scanning & zombies thing better floats your boat, there's always-




Mon, 05/06/2013 - 23:58 | 3536601 mc_LDN
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To be clear I presume you're referring to cabal in the sense of a group of people united in some sort of black magic AND NOT Kabbalah the esoteric method, discipline and school of thought which comes from Judaism which is based on the Judaic teachings of the Talmud and the long line of Messiah Prophets such as Abraham and Moses. Because the second is not black magic. It is the mystical core of Judaism.

Tue, 05/07/2013 - 00:59 | 3536692 JOYFUL
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The convergence of Lurianic kabbalism with the satanist stream of black magical systems which polluted the early middle ages of Europa is exactly what I am referring to.

If the mystical core of Judaism is indeed an outcrop of that phenemena... then there is some seriously choppy water ahead for the folks who follow it... dead ahead.

But luckily... there are plenty of "Jews" who would dispute your thesis.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 16:22 | 3535296 Kirk2NCC1701
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Another 'feature' of the Wealth Effect:  The more you (QE) Ease, the more Thermo-Kinetic activities we and our select friends can engage in. 

Thanks to Ben Shalom, we QE till there's shalom over there: A JSF (@ $350M) in every IDF hangar, baby!

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 17:01 | 3535421 Go Tribe
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It's only surreal if you thought obama wasn't going to wage a blood-thirsty war around the world. Most of us just found it predictable.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 15:54 | 3535198 gwar5
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Fuck Obama and the neofascist war mongers.... twice as many wars in half the time as Bush/Rumsfeld.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 22:10 | 3536387 vjmali
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Now even pipe bomb is WMD

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:22 | 3534807 midtowng
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doubling down in the face of overwhelming evidence is an effective strategy in American politics.

Global-warming deniers have been doing it for years now.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:29 | 3534845 forwardho
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Funny, I thought the same about Global warming believers.


Mon, 05/06/2013 - 15:09 | 3535030 Yes We Can. But...
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Warmers are junk-science pushing, fear-mongering goons

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 15:35 | 3535140 Troll Magnet
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Whether global warming is real or not, I'm with George Carlin.

Our planet Earth is fine.  It's been fine for billions of years.  As for humans...WE'RE FUCKED.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 22:25 | 3536421 zjxn06
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George Carlin: God Bless His Soul


Mon, 05/06/2013 - 17:48 | 3535571 Bad Attitude
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Warmers are also making that hypocrite Gore rich.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 18:02 | 3535607 GeezerGeek
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I thought it was Al Jazeera and Apple, or at least for the last half of it.

All in favor of Al participating in a bail-in say 'aye'.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:34 | 3534853 tenpanhandle
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manufacturing evidence as well as suppressing counter-evidence is also also a useful and profitable endeavor, after all, global warming alarmists have been doing it for years now, much to the benefit and fattening of their wallets.  Direct all response to Al Whore.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 17:50 | 3535579 caconhma
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I remember Al Whore was presenting his global warming chart going back 200,000 years before "humans" were still living on trees and did not know how to make a fire.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:35 | 3534874 Anusocracy
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Got to take advantage of confirmation bias in the sheeple.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:40 | 3534900 johnQpublic
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.039% of the atmosphere is carbon dioxide

we are responsible as humans for 5% of that

so basically we are responsible for statistical errors' worth of a gas that is essentially statistical error

forget addressing a real problem, lets go after co2 because its...its, well um, ........easy?

forget about the sun

that certainly couldnt be involved in global warming at all

hot in the sunlight, cooler in the shade


warmists either dont know how much co2 is actually in the atmosphere or deluded sheep

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 15:00 | 3534979 Joe Sixpack
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Ummm... [consulting liberal lying manual]: It is complicated. [thumb through talking points in manual] Do you have a PhD in atmospheric science... Like Al Gore does? Ummm... [Looking intently for more talking points]: Climate scientists worldwide agree that... ummm... Well you know, just shut up and wave your flag.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 19:19 | 3535835 JoeSexPack
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Mercury thermometers invented in 1800's, so records before that based on tree rings & ice-cores.


But those measure precipitation, not temp's.


If they are accurate, then Al Gore & crew should use them for the last 150 years, including now, for scientific consitency.


They don't, because rings & cores are not accurate.


Whole farce should stop there for those with brains.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 20:09 | 3535971 worbsid
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Humans have had "Weather Rocks" since before written history.  Mine works great!

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 18:19 | 3535659 GeezerGeek
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In case you haven't heard - and by your comments that appears to be so - NASA has released a report on solar storms that included saying CO2 is one of the best gases in the thermosphere for, get this, cooling the atmosphere. If you want to attack CO2, do it because too much will push us into an ice age. Apparently fear of an ice age is behind all the chemtrails in the atmosphere, too, keeping the heat in at night. 

Damn, I've got to run to the grocery store, all out of tinfoil.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 15:25 | 3535091 WarPony
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the cyclical glaciations are well recorded (~125k yr cycle), see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age and, there are no SUVs in the fossil record activity.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 17:34 | 3535529 knukles
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But there were Dinosaur farts.
So as the Dinosaur was to the Caveman, the SUV is to the Modern Libtard.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 15:27 | 3535092 WarPony
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but, it pays to play off of ignorance.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 16:16 | 3535273 johnQpublic
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just in, al gore has as much money as mitt romney

so yes, crime  science does pay


Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:22 | 3534808 freewolf7
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F *ck you, War Machine.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:24 | 3534819 freewolf7
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They play both sides,
and WE pay for it.

Divide and conquer.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:25 | 3534820 Captain Benny
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Obama isn't listening.  He's too busy admiring his Nobel Peace Prize before he starts the next war....

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:50 | 3534938 TeamDepends
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Where do you think Barry will be on the Fourth of July when tens of thousands (millions?) of armed, angry patriots gather in D.C. to vent their frustration?


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