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White House Says Ignore Facts, Assad "Likely" Behind Syrian Chemical Weapons After All

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When it comes to the deep hole of lies and inconsistencies that US foreign policy is vis-a-vis Syria, it has two options: stop digging or double down. Following the earlier report by the UN that outright rejected the full blown White House propaganda push to make it seem that it was Assad's regime that was using chemical weapons as a front to stage a military incursion against a very unappealing despot, that it was the Al-Qaeda assisted and potentially US-armed rebels who had in fact been using toxic sarin gas, there was some hope that the digging would stop. Instead, the doubling down began.

From AP:

The White House says it's highly likely that Syrian President Bashar Assad's regime, not the rebel opposition, was behind any chemical weapons use in Syria.


White House spokesman Jay Carney says there is certainly evidence that chemical weapons have been used. But Carney says the U.S. is highly skeptical of claims that rebels put them in play.

Indeed, when presented with fact, Carney gets highly skeptical. Recall from earlier:

Carla Del Ponte, a member of the UN independent commission of inquiry on Syria, said that testimony gathered from casualties and medical staff indicated that the nerve agent sarin gas was used by rebel fighters.


"Our investigators have been in neighbouring countries interviewing victims, doctors and field hospitals and, according to their report of last week which I have seen, there are strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof of the use of sarin gas, from the way the victims were treated," Ms Del Ponte said in an interview with Swiss-Italian television, broadcast on Sunday.


"This was used on the part of the opposition, the rebels, not by the government authorities," she added, speaking in Italian.


Ms Del Ponte added that the inquiry has yet to see any direct evidence suggesting that government forces have used chemical weapons, but said further investigation was required before this possibility could be ruled out.

The above is trivial: who needs facts when you still have the world's reserve currency, and the "moral high ground"?


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Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:08 | 3534743 Smegley Wanxalot
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Fuck the facts.  We got a war to start here, man! 

There's gold in them thare lies!

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:12 | 3534760 Abraxas
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Arrggh! Those Syrians are making me mad. Not only do they use the chemical and biological weapons on their own people, but they are trying to blame these nice and polite democracy-loving rebels for that. WHAT HYPOCRACY!!!

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:13 | 3534768 localsavage
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As long as Bibi is happy that is what is important here.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:16 | 3534785 azzhatter
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I wonder if Bibi gets a 4 hour boner from his bombs

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:22 | 3534806 LasVegasDave
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I knew it was Al-Ciada all along, acting on behalf of the zionist neocons.

You know, I sound and feel so smart just saying shit like that.


Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:26 | 3534825 otto skorzeny
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another JDL cunt heard from.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:31 | 3534858 forwardho
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Yes,  But who are we supposed to hate?

I look to Washington for....


Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:37 | 3534883 mkhs
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Very persceptive.  It is well known that DC hates us for our constitutional freedoms.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 15:33 | 3535129 Troll Magnet
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Just give Barack another Nobel Peace Prize and be done with it!

Unless Bibi is in the running...

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 16:13 | 3535265 Chupacabra-322
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The same terrorists the Criminal Federal Government claim to be protecting us from are the same Al-CIA-duh terrorists they are arming, funding and training through Turkey, NATO and the rest of the parts of the world.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 16:44 | 3535350 Goldilocks
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blindman: can you live with this?


Beyond Treason(2005) Documentary (1:28:54)

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 16:59 | 3535414 Go Tribe
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We're with the freedom fighters and we're here to help you.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 20:21 | 3536022 giddy
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...ummmm...get some DGs to cunt-punt the jerk...

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 16:12 | 3535251 Kirk2NCC1701
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LVD, I may be a 'smart ass', but now you're just plain 'mean': 

You know that every time you "yank the chain", the predictable few will "bark".  And their friends will chime in with slings & arrows.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:29 | 3534844 freewolf7
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Bibi could've played the "terrorist" in Iron Man 3
instead of Ben Kingsley.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:44 | 3534916 Precious
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Are we talking about the same Netanfuckyou here?

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:13 | 3534770 spastic_colon
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first al gore is as wealthy as mitt, now obama is as sneaky as george (chemical weapons = wmd's) when all else fails just plagarize

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:28 | 3534841 Dr. Richard Head
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No shit.  Talk about a broken record.

Donald Rumsfeld meets with Saddam and ensures delivery of chemical weapons to his regime.

Saddam uses the weapons systematically to kill over 100,000 Kurd civilians.

Chemical warfare one of the reasons stated for Gulf War.

Now, all we have to do is substitute "rebels" for Saddam and the game will be complete. Fucking neoconservative war mongers.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:36 | 3534869 McMolotov
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The word "surreal" tends to be overused, but it definitely applies here.

We arm Saddam, then we go to war with him. We go to war with Al Qaeda, then we arm them. It's so fucking bizarre, and yet most people will probably fall for the song and dance all over again.


"How fortunate for governments that the people they administer do not think."

—Uncle Adolf

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 15:02 | 3534992 JOYFUL
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You know, the word 'surreal' could be applied here....

but it simply would not do justice to the situation we find ourselves in. Because... in the modern day, we've been trained to look askance at all notions of 'magic' ... 'necromancy' ... 'spell casting'... and the like. So... it's outta bounds to actually just say... this is some kind of cabbalist black magic necromantic spell casting trick being played out upon millions of Merikans(and others!) to totally delude and cause them to lose their senses. Turn them into mindless Sio-mbies pretty much.

I could repackage that paragraph... and cause it to read something or other about mind control technologies... pervasive cultural war continuums to instill crazy ideas in kids, the media's blantant efforts to dumb down, hypersexualize and disorient the populace, and the continual training of peoples brains to focus of key word triggers at the expense of actual thinking ....leaving them pretty much mindless lumps of clay to be refashioned into zombie like hordes of bloodlusting maniacs.

But I really prefer the first version... just cause it's closer to the actual truth!

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 16:15 | 3535186 Urban Redneck
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"Spooky" ... not that the truth isn't moreso

From the section Conclusions:

Third, Russia will also continue to try to use the United Nations to examine various aspects of IW, and to slow down progress in the west.  The United Nations represent Russia’s best opportunity to assemble an international forum against the growing perception of unilateralism on the part of the U.S. in the IW arena.  (IW = Information Warfare)

The views expressed in FMSO publications and reports are those of the authors and do not necessarily represent the official policy or position of the Department of the Army, Department of Defense, or the U.S. Government.

Or if the full blown sexed-up mind control, brain scanning & zombies thing better floats your boat, there's always-


Mon, 05/06/2013 - 23:58 | 3536601 mc_LDN
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To be clear I presume you're referring to cabal in the sense of a group of people united in some sort of black magic AND NOT Kabbalah the esoteric method, discipline and school of thought which comes from Judaism which is based on the Judaic teachings of the Talmud and the long line of Messiah Prophets such as Abraham and Moses. Because the second is not black magic. It is the mystical core of Judaism.

Tue, 05/07/2013 - 00:59 | 3536692 JOYFUL
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The convergence of Lurianic kabbalism with the satanist stream of black magical systems which polluted the early middle ages of Europa is exactly what I am referring to.

If the mystical core of Judaism is indeed an outcrop of that phenemena... then there is some seriously choppy water ahead for the folks who follow it... dead ahead.

But luckily... there are plenty of "Jews" who would dispute your thesis.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 16:22 | 3535296 Kirk2NCC1701
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Another 'feature' of the Wealth Effect:  The more you (QE) Ease, the more Thermo-Kinetic activities we and our select friends can engage in. 

Thanks to Ben Shalom, we QE till there's shalom over there: A JSF (@ $350M) in every IDF hangar, baby!

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 17:01 | 3535421 Go Tribe
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It's only surreal if you thought obama wasn't going to wage a blood-thirsty war around the world. Most of us just found it predictable.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 15:54 | 3535198 gwar5
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Fuck Obama and the neofascist war mongers.... twice as many wars in half the time as Bush/Rumsfeld.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 22:10 | 3536387 vjmali
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Now even pipe bomb is WMD

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:22 | 3534807 midtowng
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doubling down in the face of overwhelming evidence is an effective strategy in American politics.

Global-warming deniers have been doing it for years now.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:29 | 3534845 forwardho
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Funny, I thought the same about Global warming believers.


Mon, 05/06/2013 - 15:09 | 3535030 Yes We Can. But...
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Warmers are junk-science pushing, fear-mongering goons

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 15:35 | 3535140 Troll Magnet
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Whether global warming is real or not, I'm with George Carlin.

Our planet Earth is fine.  It's been fine for billions of years.  As for humans...WE'RE FUCKED.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 22:25 | 3536421 zjxn06
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George Carlin: God Bless His Soul

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 17:48 | 3535571 Bad Attitude
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Warmers are also making that hypocrite Gore rich.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 18:02 | 3535607 GeezerGeek
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I thought it was Al Jazeera and Apple, or at least for the last half of it.

All in favor of Al participating in a bail-in say 'aye'.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:34 | 3534853 tenpanhandle
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manufacturing evidence as well as suppressing counter-evidence is also also a useful and profitable endeavor, after all, global warming alarmists have been doing it for years now, much to the benefit and fattening of their wallets.  Direct all response to Al Whore.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 17:50 | 3535579 caconhma
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I remember Al Whore was presenting his global warming chart going back 200,000 years before "humans" were still living on trees and did not know how to make a fire.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:35 | 3534874 Anusocracy
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Got to take advantage of confirmation bias in the sheeple.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:40 | 3534900 johnQpublic
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.039% of the atmosphere is carbon dioxide

we are responsible as humans for 5% of that

so basically we are responsible for statistical errors' worth of a gas that is essentially statistical error

forget addressing a real problem, lets go after co2 because its...its, well um, ........easy?

forget about the sun

that certainly couldnt be involved in global warming at all

hot in the sunlight, cooler in the shade


warmists either dont know how much co2 is actually in the atmosphere or deluded sheep

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 15:00 | 3534979 Joe Sixpack
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Ummm... [consulting liberal lying manual]: It is complicated. [thumb through talking points in manual] Do you have a PhD in atmospheric science... Like Al Gore does? Ummm... [Looking intently for more talking points]: Climate scientists worldwide agree that... ummm... Well you know, just shut up and wave your flag.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 19:19 | 3535835 JoeSexPack
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Mercury thermometers invented in 1800's, so records before that based on tree rings & ice-cores.


But those measure precipitation, not temp's.


If they are accurate, then Al Gore & crew should use them for the last 150 years, including now, for scientific consitency.


They don't, because rings & cores are not accurate.


Whole farce should stop there for those with brains.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 20:09 | 3535971 worbsid
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Humans have had "Weather Rocks" since before written history.  Mine works great!

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 18:19 | 3535659 GeezerGeek
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In case you haven't heard - and by your comments that appears to be so - NASA has released a report on solar storms that included saying CO2 is one of the best gases in the thermosphere for, get this, cooling the atmosphere. If you want to attack CO2, do it because too much will push us into an ice age. Apparently fear of an ice age is behind all the chemtrails in the atmosphere, too, keeping the heat in at night. 

Damn, I've got to run to the grocery store, all out of tinfoil.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 15:25 | 3535091 WarPony
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the cyclical glaciations are well recorded (~125k yr cycle), see: and, there are no SUVs in the fossil record activity.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 17:34 | 3535529 knukles
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But there were Dinosaur farts.
So as the Dinosaur was to the Caveman, the SUV is to the Modern Libtard.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 15:27 | 3535092 WarPony
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but, it pays to play off of ignorance.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 16:16 | 3535273 johnQpublic
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just in, al gore has as much money as mitt romney

so yes, crime  science does pay


Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:22 | 3534808 freewolf7
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F *ck you, War Machine.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:24 | 3534819 freewolf7
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They play both sides,
and WE pay for it.

Divide and conquer.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:25 | 3534820 Captain Benny
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Obama isn't listening.  He's too busy admiring his Nobel Peace Prize before he starts the next war....

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:50 | 3534938 TeamDepends
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Where do you think Barry will be on the Fourth of July when tens of thousands (millions?) of armed, angry patriots gather in D.C. to vent their frustration?


Mon, 05/06/2013 - 15:04 | 3535005 McMolotov
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Shopping for new mom jeans? Shooting 2 for 50 in a pick-up game? Choomin' in the Rose Garden?

Does it even matter? Ten million people could show up in D.C., armed to the teeth, and the state media would report it as a small gathering of a few hundred Revolutionary War reenactors.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:26 | 3534829 McMolotov
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"When it becomes serious, you have to lie."

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:32 | 3534862 Wile-E-Coyote
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Yeah but, no but, yeah but, no....ahhh if we say Assad is behind the chemical weapon attacks (it is now automatically assumed such attacks took place) then he is; right.

You people are so cynical.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:35 | 3534879 PontifexMaximus
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No war, only an awful lot of useless fatasses travelling around and talking BS.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:42 | 3534905 Nugents Bastard
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When the need for a Peace Prize gets serious, you have to lie.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 18:22 | 3535671 GeezerGeek
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It worked for Arafat, didn't it?

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 16:03 | 3535229 Headbanger
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And all those chemical weapons were PRINTED TOO!!

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:08 | 3534746 Spastica Rex
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Truth... HA, HA, HA ,HA!!!!!1!!111!!

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:09 | 3534750 Rip van Wrinkle
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What I'd like to know but the question will never be asked is: -


'If the rebels used sarin, who the hell gave it to them?'



Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:15 | 3534775 Abraxas
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It probably came from Iran. When we find out, we'll have to go and liberate their people as well.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 15:37 | 3535145 Troll Magnet
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If only half of our American population worked as hard as our government lies...

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 18:03 | 3535609 caconhma
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Just imagine a situation if Iran indeed had a nuclear bomb.


I think that nuclear war become inevitable.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:15 | 3534783 otto skorzeny
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Mon, 05/06/2013 - 16:17 | 3535281 SMG
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Which is controlled by the Luciferian Illuminati.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:25 | 3534821 Professorlocknload
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Cannister, Gas, Nerve, OD Green in Color, One Each, Made in USA.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 18:25 | 3535677 GeezerGeek
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They found the stash Saddam buried before being deposed. There were rumors about his sending the stuff into Syria, if I recall correctly.

Colin Powell will be vindicated yet!

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:09 | 3534751 ekm
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Carla Del Ponte is notorious for gathering the so called testimonies that do not materialise into anything.


She just wants to keep her overblown salary at UN keeping coming and comes up with dubious stuff, as the one about former yugoslavia.


Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:15 | 3534780 otto skorzeny
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did you find those Iraqi WMDs yet?

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:38 | 3534890 tenpanhandle
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maybe just now.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:22 | 3534788 Aurora Ex Machina
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An EU-led court in Kosovo on Monday sentenced five doctors to up to eight years in prison for illegal organ harvesting and transplants.

Former Kosovo health minister Ilir Rrecaj — who admitted during the trial that he knew that illegal kidney transplants were carried out at the Medicus clinic in Pristina in 2008, but denied covering them up — was acquitted.

Prominent Pristina urologist Lutfi Dervishi got the stiffest term of eight years for “organised crime and human trafficking,” the judge said in the verdict.

His son Arban Dervishi was sentenced to seven years and three months while the other three defendants received between one and three years imprisonment.

Two defendants in the trial that opened in 2011 were acquitted.

The indictment says that at least 30 illegal kidney removals and transplants were carried out at the clinic in the Kosovo capital in 2008.

Police raided the clinic after a Turkish man collapsed at Pristina airport waiting for a flight back to Istanbul after having had a kidney removed.

The donors were recruited from poor Eastern European and Central Asian countries who were promised about 15,000 euros ($19,540) for their organs, while recipients would pay up to 100,000 euros each.

The recipients were mainly Israelis.[source April 29th 2013]


You do know who funded the KLA, don't you?

...on July 15, 1998, PBS Newshour reported that U.S. Vietnam War veterans were training KLA mercenaries in Albania.

CHARLES KRAUSE: While the exact number of KLA soldiers is not known, U.S. intelligence agencies have produced a map which shows that the KLA already controls nearly a quarter of Kosovo's territory and other areas are contested. Sources close to the insurgents say they've established five military commands and have been helped by several foreign military advisors, including two American Vietnam veterans, now training KLA troops in Northern Albania and in Kosovo itself.

Meanwhile in the United States, many Albanian Americans like Florin and Burim Krasniqi are also helping the KLA. They're providing substantial amounts of money and materiel to the guerrillas, including vital communications equipment.




Sharp. Pointy. Teeth. If only we were all a little more honest.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:23 | 3534812 Precious
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Now you know why Bibi visited China.  He's looking for new suppliers.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:32 | 3534859 Aurora Ex Machina
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Israeli's were paying $100k / organ. That's an impressive cut to the middle-men. If it were legal, would price competition crash the market?


i.e. I don't think the Israelis are necessarily totally at fault here; almost anyone would pay through the nose for their life.


For the record, I firmly believe that organ donation should be by default an opt out service, and not opt in. It would not only save lives, but it would reduce the pressure that forces people to pay exorbitant prices for illegally harvested organs. Heck, you could even add cash incentives (or, typically, if you're evil Capitalist, make it conditional for Government subsidy, but let's not immediately choose the worst option). If we were all a little bit social in the needs of the community, then there wouldn't be problems. (Ahem. Those illicit vans and secrecy might disappear as well).


Full disclosure: I have a signed organ donation card in my wallet; I'd prefer it if you double check if I've really croaked it before collecting though.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:33 | 3534867 ekm
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I have a signed donation note on my Ontario Health Card also.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:38 | 3534884 Precious
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None of that will ever work.  Before you're even brain dead, they will do exactly what they want. 

Just carry a dog tag or get a tattoo that says, "HIV and HEP-C Positive".  That pretty much will discourage any human trafficking.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:39 | 3534889 ekm
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Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:40 | 3534897 Aurora Ex Machina
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You can't eat Kobe beef every meal.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:56 | 3534964 Spastica Rex
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I had a buddy in college who regularly wore a t-shirt that read:



IV Drug Using


Mon, 05/06/2013 - 15:09 | 3535028 Precious
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I had a buddy like that who used to steal my socks.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 20:03 | 3535219 Aurora Ex Machina
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None of that will ever work.  Before you're even brain dead, they will do exactly what they want.


I suggest you look into the death statistics for automobile accidents. If organ donation was a given in society, the market simply wouldn't exist, there'd be such a surplus that people would be getting new livers every time they drank too much on the weekend.


Yes, that many people (even in developed countries) die every day in car wrecks.

Did you miss why the protagonist of Fight Club was an automobile insurance agent? Ooops. Here's the formula.


If you need proof, in 2011, 32,367 people died in the USA alone in car crashes. The Syrian conflict has chalked up ~70,000 over three years (of course, that's from a population of 330 million vrs 22 million in 2012). Pretty sure if you started pooling all those unused organs from the West, you'd solve the problem. 


Oh, and the bonus round? Car deaths don't fucking ruin the entire country, its trade, infrastructure and civil organic society. Did I just hear Iraq is about to enter another civil war? Muppets.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:52 | 3534950 mkhs
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There is a time to live, and a time to die.  Fuck you to the ninth level of hell and back Aurora.  Do not prey on the innocent for your damn notions of social contract. 

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 15:10 | 3534965 Aurora Ex Machina
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What part of "opt out" did you miss? And, obviously, the suggestion to tie it to social welfare was a parody of the USA health system, not reality. If you missed that, I do wonder...


I happen to live in a sane society, where there's Universal Health Care. You?

oh, and p.s. While the sentiment is noble, the illegal organ trade is a fact, and is already preying on the weakest members of society. And you're against suggestions to change this? Talk about NIMBYism, hypocrite.

I've posted the link before, but it bears repeating:

These days we hear a lot about the clash of the two Indias — deprived India Vs shining India. But just as we begin to believe the hype about the shining new India, a book filled with freakish, ghoulish and plain tragic stories comes along with the force of a hurricane to remind us of the old India. American investigative journalist Scott Carney’s unsettling new book The Red Market makes a reality check especially pertinent as it exposes India’s booming underground trade in human organs.[source]


Wake the fuck up, and realise there's 6.7 billion other people out there outside America. Traitor? How dare you! Try reading The Song of Kali sometime.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 16:02 | 3535228 Urban Redneck
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Since the thread is on Syria, you could have pulled one of the recent articles alleging organ haversting in Turkey from victims of the Syrian conflict, there about the weakest members of society I can think of.



Mon, 05/06/2013 - 16:07 | 3535239 Aurora Ex Machina
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That's not been proven... yet.


The issue is obviously a sensitive one, and ladling on the paranoia and potential hate isn't helpful. I also can't change it, so I can only suggest alternative options. Which would work, if there was a little more communication between the two poles.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 16:50 | 3535381 Urban Redneck
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I live in the land of NGOs who keep trying to learn lessons after the fact, but never do.

Those with the responsibility to verify such accusations need to be pressured to so before the dust has settled, otherwise there will never be a reduction of atrocity.

But I get your point about feeding the paranoia-

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 17:23 | 3535494 Aurora Ex Machina
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ALL LINKS IN THIS POST ARE NSFL. You've been warned. Heavy use of metaphor alert as well, 'people' are getting angsty.

South Korea is one of the Asian countries that consume dog meat for centuries. They say dog's adrenaline go to the extreme by torturing them and it makes the meat taste much better. they believe it's good for their skin and health, and it has an effect of making male more masculine and gives sexual energy. [Youtube]

Dogs are purposely slaughtered in front of other dogs, to increase their fear and stress level- as this is supposed to enhance the flavor and increase the adrenaline in their meat, which according to Chinese folklore, boosts virility. Actual physical torture and bleeding them out slowly, are other routine methods used for this purpose. [source]

It's a myth, and even if it were true, you can easily artificially manufacture it. It's not as if hunting isn't culturally driven anyhow. Fuck me, market it with Simon Cowell (pronounce it properly - Cow-ell or Call-ow or Caul, it's very obvious) as a Talent show, and it'd pay for itself.


And yes, we all know the Game is exciting.

Tue, 05/07/2013 - 10:04 | 3537374 Urban Redneck
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Should animal rights be granted human rights or should humans be granted animals rights?  I think there is danger in State usurpation of Natural Law blazing a path to relativism and nihilism, and ending up at the very same destination via an alternate route.  However, Social advocacy of values and use of the marketplace as opposed to State apparatus to promote values is another matter.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:56 | 3534968 ekm
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I have no problem with insults and actually promote them,but this one is way beyond normal.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:58 | 3534974 Aurora Ex Machina
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I'm fairly sure it's just a misunderstanding.


As for the ninth circle, careful who you accuse of being a traitor. Hybrid Mule, remember?

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 15:15 | 3535050 mkhs
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Perhaps a misunderstanding, perhaps not.  Even though it is a fact of life, I do not think it is right.  After all, Dick Cheney needs a new heart( don't all the tin men?).  My apologies.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 15:26 | 3535103 Cathartes Aura
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interesting that you mention dick'd chainee & his heart, jumped that queue with ease, hmm?

of course, ole dick has always been very well connected.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 15:33 | 3535128 mkhs
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Once a dick, always a dick.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 15:20 | 3535071 rodocostarica
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To think of all the great US kids who have given their lives in stupid senseless imperial wars. Not to mention maimed and mentally fxxked up.

Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghani etc,  etc. When will this shit stop?

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 15:30 | 3535112 Cathartes Aura
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when the people make it clear that fighting on behalf of the global banking class and their handlers is not heroic, but intensely shameful.

people need to stop "saluting" the uni-formed, and call them ALL out for playing the wrong "side" - from local cops to the generals.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 15:18 | 3535063 Cathartes Aura
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"Israeli's" paying for organs has history, I've read of this practise many times over the years. . . including the aftermath of the Haiti earthquake - where the fastest boots on the ground to "assist" were amrkn troops (Haiti gets the fisth largest embassy built while the peoples still live in tent'd community) and the Israeli organ pickers. . .

do a search on Haiti + trafficking, you'll find many reports of both organ and human child "business" carried out by occupying troops.

How did the Israelis get to Haiti so quickly?

In the days befor the Haiti quake, the Israelis, in Tel Aviv, were carrying out a conference and drill about 'emergencies and disasters'

there's that pesky "drill" poppin' up again.

and for those who don't remember/know, Haiti = Oil, and deep water ports for transport,

U.S. companies have known since 1908 that Haiti teemed with oil reserves. In the 1950s and 1960s, two different contractors were bought off to not develop these sites. CIA files also show that the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) verified contracts in 1962 regarding these possible oil reserve sites.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 15:50 | 3535166 Aurora Ex Machina
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I would guess (although I'd have to research this issue more closely, not something I want to do tonight) that organ shortages in Israel are due to the Religious nature of their society and their level of wealth / high technology (i.e. people live longer). I presume it's a belief that the body is sacrosanct, even in death. Exactly the same for fundamentalist readings of Christianity or Islam, and there's exactly the same problems of long waiting lists and people dying before their time while waiting (e.g. Steve Jobs keeping a fueled plane ready in case a liver came up. See Slate's "How did Steve Jobs get his liver?").


In respect to not bashing purely Abrahamic religions, cf The Tower of Silence [NSFL if you cannot handle seeing dead people].


The tangent, about people illegally disappearing from disaster zones is well documented. But rarely talked about. And people wonder why the pill is a red one... (and I wonder why the taboo comes from the other side as well, talk about too much paranoia. 21st century people, not 1614 anymore, we can move the model on a little).

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 16:05 | 3535240 Cathartes Aura
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I'd tend to agree with you that Israel's "shortage" of organs for transplant is related to their religious beliefs (body sacrosanct) given elaborate death/burial ceremonies - as do many FatherGod religions, who tend to believe the same "body" is lifted up to heavens, made whole - so one can't be desecrating their personal "temple" if they want to inhabit this for time and all eternity.

add to that mix the belief of inherent superiority over all other faiths, and it becomes easy to take whatever is needed from the global farm(ing).

the link to the Tower of Silence, I'll spend more time with it later, but is this not a form of sky burial, letting the vultures do their work at end of cycle?

something I've always understood as natural, though vultures are finding the carcass increasingly toxic, filled with pharma, etc.

perhaps another reason for the increase in need for liver/kidney/heart transplants - organ failure due to toxicity, hmmm.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 16:14 | 3535259 Aurora Ex Machina
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Actually, the story of the Towers of Silence and their eco-friendly disposal is much more depressing.

Conservationists have raised concerns that a livestock drug banned in India because it was pushing vultures to the brink of extinction is still being sold.

The drug diclofenac was banned because it led to population crashes in three species of vulture in south Asia with birds dying of kidney failure after feeding on carcasses of cattle treated with the medication.[source]


Give cows drugs that no-one tests due to AgriBizTM profits in the west (where there's obviously no "requirement" for vultures) > treat them as sacred, don't eat them, let corpses rot in the wild > vultures eat them and get wiped out > Towers of Silence no longer function due to no vultures. 


Chemical weapons, indeed. It's hard to be positive about humans some times.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 17:20 | 3535485 Cathartes Aura
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ah yes, because vultures dispose of animal carcasses as well,

The drug diclofenac was banned because it led to population crashes in three species of vulture in south Asia with birds dying of kidney failure after feeding on carcasses of cattle treated with the medication.

A study led by the RSPB's principal conservation scientist, Richard Cuthbert, found more than one-third of Indian pharmacies are still selling diclofenac, a non-steroid anti-inflammatory drug, which can be used in humans as well as by farmers treating cattle.

if humans were paying closer attention to the cycles of inter-action between species, the inter-connectedness of nature - vs. the endless separatism/hierarchies humans favour, always placing themselves above all else, they would be able to see the dis-connect increasing.

and we're back to acknowledging the pharma that is killing both animals and humans, the grand experiment towards extinction.

Towers of Silence, apt.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 17:29 | 3535506 Aurora Ex Machina
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Towers of Silence, apt.


"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." - Franklin D. Roosevelt


I'm wery wery sneaky with my references.  (There's a couple of other apt inferences from that particular choice, but it's a silent dog whistle type of thing to certain readers)

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 18:25 | 3535676 Cathartes Aura
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boy, don't I know!  un-picking your links can lead to warp'd time for me, in that I often find myself hours later, clicking/searching/reading/listening. . . ahhhhh, the 'net, so appropriately named!

but I must say, ole Frankie Rose would love to believe politics/government have complete control over situations, when in fact it may be that all they appear to have control over is the storyline, amended/embellished as needed, and consumed by the avid followers of "politics" - followers who don't seem to be aware of how they willingly bend their brains to suit the narratives proffered.  though I will hand it to 'em, they certainly appear to have free reign over a portion of reality. . .

I try to re-mind myself daily, if I haven't directly experienced an event, then I'm reliant on some one else's version of what may have actually happened. . . and play the game of sharing gossipy-truths accordingly.   and I'm also fully aware of how my own POV will also shape an experience - such is consciousness!

nomnomnom *burp*

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 19:29 | 3535819 Aurora Ex Machina
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Oh, the narrative is important: but don't doubt the emergent nature of it with so many actors in place.

I find the argument against government false when I know that there are people who are paid to trawl through child pornography in attempts to ID the victims (as an 'Anarchist', I'd hope new models of society would remove or lessen said crimes, but we have to deal with reality, and this reality is based on debasing children to engender control over adults at this point (either temporally as they age, or direct through active engagement). CF. Every. Institution. With. Power.) and know exactly the weight of the forces lined up to cover it up. (Danger danger and I mean this 120% ~ if you're not sitting on a linux setup with tor and so forth, forget it, they can and will nuke your entire life from orbit if you go looking in the wrong places).


Then add a little bit more for the deeper truths. Charles Taylor sent from the USA! To eat your liver! (Who did that to his mind?).


The sad thing is ~ the real predators that are hiding (not those degenerate humans who can be bent to the stone through perversion) really don't need to. 21st Century stuff, with enough understanding of ecology, I'm fairly sure we can work it out.


Oh, and don't ask too closely about Red Markets and the real reason for them. Let's pretend it's all about medicine. Even though we could easily satisfy both sides with a mature agreement. Ye Gods, you're all so boring.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 16:04 | 3535176 Precious
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That explains why they didn't show up at Fukushima.  

Tue, 05/07/2013 - 00:20 | 3536640 TNTARG
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The people of the book actually take organs from others than jews?


Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:32 | 3534861 ekm
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Correct. That was an internal Kosovo Eulex investigation, not Del Ponte's.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:42 | 3534911 PontifexMaximus
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Châpeau, at least 1 guy seems to be updated of this nonvaleur lady.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:51 | 3534940 DogOfSinope
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EULEX consists of EU-staffed police and judges, so it's not exactly "internal" investigation. Internal matters in Kosovo are settled between the "family" clan heads - no investigation necessary. Just, some organs change hands. Or funny, brown neatly taped packages.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 15:15 | 3535051 Joe A
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EUlex is a joke. They are currently investigating the organ snatching case in Kosovo. The head of the team is however not a European, it is an American, an ex-official from the State department. What can possibly go wrong?

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 16:27 | 3535310 Precious
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Is his name Simon?

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:43 | 3534904 forwardho
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Supply and demand.

You have something I need to continue living.

Great, I need Funds so that my famly can continue living.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:45 | 3534918 resurger
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shit man

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 16:35 | 3535326 Kirk2NCC1701
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Regarding our war on Muslims... somebody remind me again why we took out Milosevic and Serbia?  Besides Madeleine Albright being an idiot with an unfathomable agenda, and Cliton doing whatever she said?

p.s. In case you missed it, notice the deliberate misspelling of Clinton's name.  ;-)

Tue, 05/07/2013 - 00:02 | 3536605 TNTARG
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Albright, Clinton, Condoleeza, all of them CFR people. And Bush. And Krugman. Even Angelina Jolie joined CFR in 2007.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:20 | 3534802 Canucklehead
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Carla Del Ponte is no fool.  Make a small effort and read her wikipedia entry:

Nothing is ever black and white.  The way the Israelis are bombing the chemical weapons sites in Syria tells me that the logistics needed for the rebels to get the chemical weapons likely does not exist.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 15:17 | 3535055 PontifexMaximus
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Did you play golf with her in Argentina, when she was Ambassador to a very nice country in the heart of Europe with (still) it's own currency? What a shame for this country, l'aqua solo sul proprio mulino, che oreggiat!

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 15:22 | 3535079 Joe A
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She was send there to shut her up.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:38 | 3534888 PontifexMaximus
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She is a useless talkinghead!

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 15:10 | 3535035 Joe A
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The Yugoslav tribunal is a joke, a victor's court. 97% of verdicts concerns Serbs while crimes against Serbs go unpunished. Del Ponte prosecuted them alike: Serbs, Bosnians, Croats, Albanians. But only Serbs got convicted.

Kosovo was NATO's pet project and a testcase for other conflicts to come: Iraq, Libya and now Syria. MO is: demonize one side, arm and train the other, fabricate evidence. What follows then is 'humanitary' intervention.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 15:46 | 3535180 gwar5
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Initial reports indicated the rebel Al-Qaeda boyz were the perps... then it was Assad.... now it is back to Obama's Banghazi boyz again.


All I know is that these are John Brennan's CIA wars and he and Obama have been arming Al-Qaeda to fight against the Shia, like Assad, on behalf of the radical Sunni Islamists. Anyone eager to arm and use Al-Qaeda to kill would not hesitate to use Sarin gas. 


Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:14 | 3534779 Catullus
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It's not tyranny if you're involved; it's "self-government".

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:22 | 3534809 forwardho
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Or... ignore that man behind the curtain.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:23 | 3534813 otto skorzeny
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when O starts spouting that ebonics shit it gives me hope that these m-f ers are a little scared that the natives are getting restless.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:26 | 3534828 Smegley Wanxalot
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What obama is saying is:

 "Don't reject tyranny ... embrace tyranny"

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:33 | 3534865 resurger
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Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:50 | 3534895 Cognitive Dissonance
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I love how he says "We the People" thus pulling the audience in as partner decision makers in this grand experiment of self rule, then says to reject those voices warning about governmental Tyranny because to accept them is to reject yourself and your good intentions.

He uses wonderful mind control technique there. It leaves the non critical thinking listener nodding in mindless agreement.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:50 | 3534937 taraxias
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Awesome post.

This site would suffer a huge loss if you ever stop posting.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:55 | 3534959 Cognitive Dissonance
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I love ZH. They will have to pry it from my cold dead fingers.

Mrs. Cog and I have decided to paint a huge bulls eye on our new Plan B hideaway. That way the drones will always miss us and instead hit those innocent goats at the wedding party next door.  :)

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 15:46 | 3535178 Hulk
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Whatever you do, don't stock beans at the hideaway, otherwise they will smartbomb your place for having weapons of Ass destruction !!!

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 15:50 | 3535191 Cognitive Dissonance
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Mrs. Cog won't use WMD's so she soaks her beans for hours before using. She loves me even more when I don't stink. :)

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:29 | 3534832 Captain Benny
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But but but, we've always been at war with Eurasia... or East Asia... or Oceania... or something like that!

Damn I'm too old to remember the truth.  Did the coffee really taste better when I was a young man?  I swear it did.

No worries, the chocolate rations are up according to the BLS.... I guess things must be getting better.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 15:03 | 3535001 Cognitive Dissonance
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We have always been at war (through our proxies) with Iran.........Pakistan...........North Korea........whatever.

Soma anyone?

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 15:26 | 3535099 LawsofPhysics
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Indeed CD.  Very interesting considering that our government did something else to students at a University in Ohio in our not so distant past, now let me see what was that...

The irony is palpable...

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 15:33 | 3535126 Cognitive Dissonance
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The generation who was fired upon at Kent State will now be the ones who do order the firing upon.

Kent State

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 15:46 | 3535185 Hulk
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Difficult to believe that actually happened...

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 15:55 | 3535196 Precious
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Have you seen the 2013 video interviewing residents of Boston in the neighborhood that was invaded by Swat teams?  After their homes and cars were shot up by law enforcement, they were forceably removed from their homes, and meanwhile the suspect hid in a blood-stained boat 100 yards away that none of the special forces bothered to check.

Difficult to believe that actually happened.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 16:01 | 3535225 Hulk
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and we have the two asian ladies shot up in So Cal...

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 16:17 | 3535280 Cathartes Aura
Mon, 05/06/2013 - 23:45 | 3536586 TNTARG
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Ah US universities! Best in the World. Even presidents go there and teach.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:12 | 3534764 silvertrain
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wait 1 sec..does syria have any gold,silver,oil or any other things of value?


Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:18 | 3534795 Abraxas
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Not at all. That's why we have to go there to enrich them on so many levels...

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:39 | 3534892 Smegley Wanxalot
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If I remember right, Assad has a hot wife, which is a thing of value, but aside from that conducting a war over a worthless shithole is the best way to squeeze "blood from a turnip" because the weapons have to bought and paid for somehow (taxes and asset confiscation) so yes, indirectly, Syria offers something of value: an easy battleground.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:56 | 3534963 Captain Benny
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>does syria have any gold,silver,oil or any other things of value?

Yes.  They have a government that resists the NWO.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:12 | 3534767 Catullus
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Jay Carney: there's a point where you become completely and embarrassingly full of shit. Your smug attitude and demeaning responses take this to a whole new level of hilarious. You can justify all you want that you're just doing your job. But at some point the messenger becomes culpable.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:47 | 3534927 Doctor of Reality
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He's our version of Tariq Aziz.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:48 | 3534772 Mercury
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The White House says it's highly likely that Syrian President Bashar Assad's regime, not the rebel opposition, was behind any chemical weapons use in Syria.

Well who actually got gassed -  Team A or Team B?

Actually, as far as I’m concerned Barry can go ahead and spend as much of his day as he wants trying to adjudicate an ethnic dispute in the Middle East (I’ve got this one!).  In fact, if he feels that his actual presence might help things along…

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:14 | 3534773 Seasmoke
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I will believe whatever our president Netenyahoo tells me.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:16 | 3534784 InTheLandOfTheBlind
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jay carney, colin powell... colin powell, jay carney.... you two have a lot to talk about

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:17 | 3534789 Dr. Engali
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The silence of the "anti-war" left is deafening. Fucking hypocrites.

Mon, 05/06/2013 - 14:21 | 3534803 Cognitive Dissonance
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It's always the other guy.....even when it's yours.

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