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US State Department Halts 3-D Gun Production: Demands Removal Of All Online Blueprints
Three days ago, in an article that looked at the convergence of 3-D printing and the 2nd Amendment, we presented "the Liberator" - the world's first fully 3-D printed firearm. The name was aptly chosen because courtesy of its creator, 25-year old UofT law student Cody Wilson, and his non-profit group Defense Distributed, its online blueprint and assembly instructions liberated "anyone to be able to download and print a gun with no serial number, in the privacy of their garage" in effect completely circumventing any gun control/distribution laws, background checks and other regulatory hurdles of an increasingly authoritarian government. In fact, we were counting the number of days before some US Federal agency would come knocking on Cody Wilson's door and involved that other key Amendment - the First, by either "disappearing him" or politely enforcing a permanent Cease and Desist of all production, including, of course, the removal of all online "liberating" blueprints. We didn't have long to wait - it took just one week.
As Tech Crunch reports, "the State Department has demanded that new blueprints for a fully 3-D-printed gun be taken offline just a week after they were posted. The Office of Defense Trade Controls Compliance is forcing outspoken Second Amendment crusader Cody Wilson to remove the downloadable 3-D printer files from Defcad.org under expert laws known as the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR)."
"Until the Department provides Defense Distributed with final [commodity jurisdiction] determinations, Defense Distributed should treat the above technical data as ITAR-controled,” reads the State Department order, seen below in its entirety.
Specifically, the Dept of State claims that under "ITAR, it is unlawful to export any defense article or technical data for which a license or written approval is required without first obtaining the required authorization from the DDTC. Please note that disclosing (including oral or visual disclosure) or transferring technical data to a foreign person, whether in the United States or abroad, is considered an expoert under [ ] ITAR." And since by implication this means that all the data can be seen by at least one foreigner, "this means that all such data should be removed from public access immediately."
Naturally, Cody would be stupid to fight the US government on this one, which is why he won't. "We have to comply" he told Forbes.
However, courtesy of the magic of the internet, taking down his files does nothing for the some 100,000 downloads of the entire blueprint set, distributed among various nodes, and are now held, in one instance, in Kim Dotcom's offshore New Zealand servers, where not even the long hand of John Kerry can reach. And just as a backup, the files have also been uploaded to the decentralized bittorrent database, Pirate Bay.
More interesting will be whether the PGP case study of anti-Big Brother retaliation applies in the Liberator case. As TechCrunch explains:
According to Forbes’ Andy Greenberg, Wilson sees parallels between his strife and the governments abandoned attempts at censoring military-grade encryption software. In the 1990s inventor Phil Zimmermann released software, PGP, so difficult to crack that it could have permitted malicious actors from hiding information from law enforcement. Wilson believes public pressure ultimately convinced the government to back off of Zimmermann.
It’ll be interesting to see whether the government has any actual power to prevent the propagation of 3-D gun blueprints.
Since the libertarian community is quite adept at bypassing the tyranny of an encroaching despot, it has already made the pre-banned files widely available to anyone who wishes to access them. The links, courtesy of SHTFplan.com, are below:
- Pirate Bay torrent download information: http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/8449468/Liberator_-_First_3D_Printable_Gun
- Or at: http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/8444391/DefDist_Liberator_Pistol
- ZIP FILE: http://www.fatguyinmontana.com/2013/05/07/defense-distributed-liberator-pistol/
- You’ll also need a 3D printer – the Cube 3D printer is available for retail purchase from Staples at a cost of $1299.
Finally, as a warning to those who wish to take the Federal government head on in what appears to be its attempt to regulate decentralized gun creation, SHTFplan also presents the following warning.
An administrator at the DefCad forums posted the following warning regarding the government’s takedown and the current status of The Liberator and 3D firearms based on its plans:
I’ll be bringing in legal authority and FAQ, but for now, if you are not a registered FFL/SOT:
1. DO NOT print a completely polymer firearm capable of firing a bullet (barrel inserts or no), as you will likely create anNFA regulated firearm. Specifically, you will likely create an AOW zip gun.2.
DO NOT print a completely polymer firearm capable of firing a bullet (barrel inserts or no), as you will likely violate the so-called Undetectable Firearms Act.
Not listening to items 1 and 2 means you are on your way to committing a Federal crime. Because of the public profile and interest over this kind of activity at the moment, you WILL be made an example of. You WILL go to federal prison, and you WILL never be able to own a firearm again.
The full State Department Letter, signed by Glenn Smith, Chief of the Enforcement Division, demanding the removal of the 3D gun blueprints is presented below.
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HD, wonder if Williams-Sonoma will ban anything plastic from their stores?
The greaatest stupidity of these people who consider themselves as 'intelligent' is their illusion of control. They think they can control all of us, and can control the world.
These control freaks don't even have command over their own paranoia. Who but sick mental and moral midgets, would seek to use violence and deception to get what they wanted from others. They are pathetic.
When the SHTF it will come from out of left field in a manner that none of their models anticipated. Just look how they miscalculated regarding the internet.
So should we be long publicly tradred, for profit prisons? Business is about to boom for them. Judges may even free the criminals caught with a few ounces of weed
In other news, the US is demanding pandoras box closed until further notice. Chuckles...
Uncle sam pushes 78 percent of all arms on the planet. This shit is just rich.
Lord of War
Bullets change governments far surer than votes.
Quote from... Lord of War
Protecting the monopoly.
Many are missing the importance of the name.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FP-45_Liberator
You can not un-invent firearms. I legally sold a firearm to another GA citizen today. Perfectly legal within my state to a non-felon.
Those with technical abilities have been machining firearms for their own use for years. The Bureau Of All Things Fun has no jusidiction on anything that does not cross state lines. Guess what - those who have the ability to manufacture firearms have no interest in harming others!
A very good point about a not well understood aspect of the law. Federal law does not cross into state lines, only you do. Keep it inside your state and the only laws you need to worry about are local, and even those only apply to the person.
God has no respect of persons...and neither do bullets.
I am Chumbawamba.
You are wrong. Wickard v. Filburn The feds will butt their nose into almost anything they want.
Update: Sorry, KnightTakesKing has the priority answer
That's great news! I must have hallucinated the Feds raiding all those weed dispensaries in California! Guess I can start growing tons of weed and the Feds won't touch me as long as I only sell within my state. Better yet, I'll just smoke it myself. It will never leave my house. Surely they must respect my God-given right to do this?
They won't. They use the Commerce Clause to say that any growing affects the price of weed, which is an interstate phenomenon, even if the grower doesn't sell. Abuse of the Commerce Clause is the legal foundation for a good fraction of Federal despotism. Basically, they claim they can make something a crime if you do it while breathing air that blows accross state lines. Judges back them up because the Feds pay them to not give a shit about any laws beyond money and power.
That's the way it SHOULD be, however you need to read up on your constitutional law. See: Wickard v. Filburn, 317 U.S. 111 (1942). SCOTUS ruled that a farmer can't grow wheat on his own farm for his own (on-farm) use without affecting interstate commerce. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn
One of the worst SCOTUS rulings ever... So they can claim you are effecting interstate commerce by producing a firearm for your own use.
All a ruling like the above does is reduces the credibility of the court system (if it had any left, that is).
Gov't is upset they can't tax it. Its not about safety, or rights or anything. But the big boys are ruthless and smart.
In any operation they always have multiple objectives. So in this case they want to keep people from printing their own single-fire gun, but also make sure that their firearm taxing monopoly is unthreatened (i.e. the only good gun is a gun you have paid the government to own, and pay for an annual license, etc.)
Almost the only manufacturing that still goes on in North America is 3D printing!
Historical curiosity and the glamor of revolutionary ideology aside (and the WW2 Liberator was always more ideology than practicality, which is why it never got widely distributed), your statement, "You can not un-invent firearms," is the most important point in this whole story.
Knowledge progresses, and businesses and governments need to adapt to that progress or wind up harming their citizens by flailing about stupidly. Printable firearms are only one (highly emotional) aspect to a new set of decentralized manufacturing processes (printing and other CAM) that promise to reduce dramatically the scarcity that centralized industrial processes and distribution networks relied on: factories and stores become less necessary, and your crappy plastic made-in-China trinkets will soon be made-in-your-garage from a handful of generic, raw ingredients and a single machine. That's a fuckton of jobs lost (woe to the Chinese), a lot of retail sales of finished goods wiped out, and a paradigm shift in economics.
Weapons are the emotional point at which the populace is most likely to be persuaded to stop the shift. If you tell people that this new "printing" technology is going to arm all the thugs and outgun the police who keep the people safe at night (despite the widely-ignored fact that crime is down since 1993), they can be brought to oppose the new technology, much as child pornography and terrorist communications are considered acceptable reasons for government intrusion into the internet, or piracy (Britney Spears will starve!) a reason for coporate imposition of false scarcity on electronic media that tend to effortless and perfect replication of data, which is never unique, however commodified some LA exec wants that data to be.
As others have said, the technology for machining your own firearms has been around since before the Republic, but its capacity was limited by skill and knowledge that the computer replaces, and by availability of tools that the printer or CAM tools replace. It's the shift to "anyone can make anything at home" that is starting to earn a reaction from the powers-that-be, and weapons are just the emotional focus for that.
Much safer with a VPN.
I don't trust Bittorrent because I can't hold it in my hand, like i can hold gold. Also, the government will just shut down the Internet if Bittorrent gets too big. Or there could be a sunspot storm. Then what will you tulip-mania, pyramid scheme fools do?
I'm sticking to gold and silver!!
Ditto, and Sig Sauer! Fuck plastic guns.
Poe's law is strong in this post...
Bittorrent is simply a p2p protocol. Just a decentralized way to send information. Kind of like how email uses smtp to send messages.
Bit coin and Bit torrent are different things. As different as apples and lemonade.
Are you intentionally conflating Bittorrent with Bitcoin just to confuse people?
In commenting on an article that has nothing to do with Bitcoin, but does mention Bittorrent, I don't know why you would be using Bittorrent in a sentence as if it were Bitcoin. The two are very different things. How did you think a crypto-currency could provide the defcad 3d models?1
[1] It actually can, but I highly doubt this is what you mean.
Since people have found ways of storing aribrary data in the bitcoin blockchain such that it is possible to guarantee the survival of any binary data as the blockchain is unmodifyable thus providing an implicit guarantee that any associated data in it will live on in perpetuity. However, this is very frowned upon by the bitcoin community, and is more of a currently undesireable side-effect as it is currently implemented with it being almost free to store. if it was made to be costly to store arbitrary data, then it would be less controversial because presumeably only people who were willing to pay quite a bit would make use of that functionality, and it would clearly be worth the same utility or more than the money they are parting with. At zero cost the demand curve is quite high, and you get nefarious people simply storing all sorts of annoying and downright evil crap in the blockchain "just because they can" and "just because its free"]
ahaha!
you fools who replied to spyker's post, haven't figured out he's being sarcastic, and mocking the stupids on zerohedge by listing their typical complaints about bitcoin by pretending to confuse bitcoin and bittorrent.
he knows perfectly well the difference between bitcoin and bittorrent.
Funny, but nothing to do with, except for name.
Bah. Let me know when they ban plans for a printable pressure cooker...
"Muuuust shove genie back in bottle!"
Good luck .gov
Right, good luck putting the cat back in the bag (and as if they're the only people in the world capable of doing 3d cad/cae/cam)...
In the meanwhile, this is the latest defcad mega pack v4.2 (Saito), with all their files: http://piratebay.se/torrent/8387853/
The irony is you never really needed 3d printers at all - all you ever needed is just to machine chunks of abs/whatever appropriated plastic or other material, as with any other gun...
On May 06 at 12:23 I wrote this after seeing the first article posted on ZeroHedge about the Liberator 3D printed gun......
The 3D printing innovation along with other seemingly freedom enhanicng innovations such as BitCoin will actually have the perverse and paradoxical effect of increasing the tyranny in our lives. The Global Elite both in the halls of political power and financial power have as their 24/7 modus operandi the need for total control so as to effect and perfect their seperate and shaired goals of a global utopia.
Disrupting technologies and the mindset that is bred and nurtured by such innovations is totally the opposite of what the Global Elite want....namely...control of freedom in THEIR collective hands.....not ours.
So....you will see a rush to condemn such innovations, if poo-poo-ing them and/or ignoring them won't work...particularly if a "terrorist" event is blamed on such innovations.
This kind of thing....particularly dealing with firearms....will accelerate their plans to control not only this technology and innovation....but the idea of freedom around it. They will not....they CAN NOT...allow freedom to reign amongst what they consider their subjects.
The floodgates are about to open.....watch and see.
To the one person who down voted me...Fuck you...I told you so.
Long 3-D printers!
It won't be long before they ban those too
Same as they (didn't) ban 2d printers/scanners, because of (homemade) currency/document forgery?
Fun while it lasted.
What are you talking about? Anyone could come up with plans for a 3D printed gun. In fact, this one was kind of lame.
We are talking solely about the brief timespan from its birth to it becoming outlawed. We wholeheartedly support the technology but wonder how durable they would be.
LOL its torrented, its not ever going to be deleted, that shit is all over the inter-webs.
The govt might as well shut down the internet and go door to door confiscating human brains.
Because the gun is over 200 years old, you can make one with a drill press and some scrap steel and a 200$ lathe, the schematics for common Colt Revolvers and such are online all over the place, anyone can make them.... all they need is about 500$ worth of machinery, and a few pounds of scrap steel, hell people could make their own ammo too!
Why make guns out of plastic? MAKE THEM OUT OF STEEL ITS CHEAPER.
You can't ban the human brain! and that my friends is the most dangerous weapon of all.
Responsible for BILLIONS OF DEATHS.
ALSO, DONT YOU HAVE TO GO TO COURT IN THE USA FOR THEM TO
1) Shut your business/Charity Work down?
2) Confiscate your intelectual property?
MONSANTO IS POISONING EVERYONE
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DEMAND THEY SHUT DOWN THEIR CROPS.
I WONDER HOW MANY COURT CASES WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO HAVE THAT HAPPEN, YET THE "FEDS" can "DEMAND" ACTION WITH NO COURT ORDER?
PFFFT WHAT KIND OF SHIT COUNTRY IS THIS?
There is a big difference between 3D-printing and metal machining. One takes a skilled craftsman to make, the other doesn't.
Long live 3D printing!!
At some point, I would hope that we get household lasers powerful enough to allow home laser sintering.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_laser_sintering
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_beam_melting
It's not that hard to CNC machine a steel/aluminum receiver. If things get "fun" there will be shops all over the place.
Interesting: no one manufactures rifling machines anymore. There's your problem.
Try to find a 'master machinist' they don't exist anymore either, .. or for that matter a master-gunsmith,
The entire metal biz was put to pasture during the last recession, probably the biggest shortfall of labor in amerikkka is the trained metal machinist that understands partial differential equations.
Go back to Jeff Cooper
"a gun no more makes a gun fighter, than a guitar makes a musician'
So, focus on learning to fire a good gun, say acp-45 or M1-a, ... spend your time training, learn to play a firearm like a guitar, ... and don't waste your time creating junk.
It's not what's in his hand, its the MAN that makes the fighter.
The goverment would love to make everybody think that OBJECTS make the man, ...
They DO NOT.
Skilled craftsman? That's hilarious. Have you ever seen a Sten MKIII? It is a submachine gun made out of simple stamped and cut out parts that are welded together, mostly spot-welded at that! The hardest parts to make on the whole gun are the barrel and the magazine. They were mass produced during the darkest part of the Battle of Britain by almost totally unskilled labor. Now, it would have sucked to be issued one and sent into the field, but they were still better than having no weapon at all.
Please.... zip guns have been around for ages - a section of pipe and not a lot else. There are more than enough YouTube videos with someone showing "How to" There's a pretty good off the cuff 12 ga shotgun using an open piece of pipe and a capped one (looks like a machined cap with a screw or bolt to hit the pirmer ap. Put a shell in the open pipe, slide the capped one over, slam together and BAM!. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.
You can buy damnned effective compound bows pretty much anywhere. Silent and more than deadly with some practice.
There is NO WAY POSSIBLE to make everyone 'safe' - no way possible to eliminate or fully control weapons. You WANT government to fear hthe people a bit - Nixon was considering the use of nukes in Vietnam - until he saw a few hundred thousand people marching for peace. He backed down and had to find a 'negotiated' way out. Contrast that with millions screwed by banks and the relative lack of unified response - and the quick cooption of the Tea Party (who were screaming about banks at first) and the smash down of 'Occupy'. But with the limited corporate control of media now - oposed to during the 70's it's far easier to control what people see and way easier to manipulate what they think about what they're shown. Tea Partiers are 'nuts' - Occupy Wall Street was 'unfocused' and......
They have no need to go door-to-door confiscating brains. They have the magical tool called television to remotely shut 99 percent of them down.
Until recently, the remaining 1% were not considered numerous enough to pose a threat.
And yes, it is certainly cheaper to make a better gun from steel than to print one in plastic, but that's not the point. It's the idea that has them scared. 3D printing is a new technology in its infancy. What's out there now is crude - little more than proof-of-concept stuff. But it will improve. Technology exists now to print with metals, even titanium (google "Selective Laser Sintering" and "Electron Beam Sintering"). It won't be long before DIYers master these, some are already starting. It's complex, but doable. Imagine a 3D printer that can turn steel or titanium (or ceramic) powder into an already assembled fully functional gun. The technology isn't there yet, but it's getting pretty close. Then it becomes possible for anyone who has such a printer to produce not just small handguns, but large fully automatic weapons (and anything in-between). People all over the world can be working on the designs, sharing ideas, fixing problems and everyone can print off a new one when improvements are made (all for $10 worth of steel powder and a couple of kWh of electricity).
The emergence of this technology makes the 1% of the population with functioning brains a MUCH greater threat. If you can print a working gun, you can also print almost anything else. TPTB have throughout history relied on retaining control of peoples access to technology. The internet freed up access to knowledge, now 3D printers are on the cusp of making complex fabrication universally available. We are fast approcaching the point where there is no longer any privilaged technology.
They don't want to supress printable plastic guns - they want to supress the idea that they embody. Expect 3D printing to become surprisingly heavily regulated very soon.
Could you print little gold bricks with tungsten cores?
Sure, or big ones, with a suitable supply of tungsten and gold powder. But there's places in China that will do them for you much cheaper than the metal powders would cost.
Its the DIY biology crowd that has me worried. Custom flu strains and so forth.
Yep. me to. I have suspected for some time that malicious bio-tinkering is where our civilisation, and species, will see it's ultimate conclusion. And although not yet accessible to hobbyists, desktop-sized 'DNA printers' already exist. Get the rest of the toolchain down to size and it won't be long before teenage hackers are fabricating biological viruses the way they were making the computer ones 20 years ago.
Although to be honest it's not the backyard hackers that are the worry here, but the corporates that would sell us the cures.
This is not the Bogeyman you are looking for.. It is extremely difficult to propagate meaningful numbers of viable virus. It is even harder to make it virulent AND contagious. In addition, there's the enormous hurdle of trying to weaponize and deliver.
The biggest danger by far has been, and will always be, densely populated cities in very close proximity to livestock (chickens, geece, pigs, goats, etc. living under the house) - nature is much better at making the bad stuff. Aside from nature, it is government (labs) that have the capability of creating a devastating virus.
High-density housing, high-density transport, and climate-imposed closed-space living provide very good transmission potential for "anything new".
Add in the abundance and low cost of International air travel (again, passengers in a high population density, closed air circulation micro-environment) and there is the potential for much enhanced spread in comparison with even the fairly recent past.
No matter how careful and vigilant we are, our luck WILL eventually run out. The "alerts" put out by the WHO and others are falling on an increasingly indifferent professional population (remember the H5N1 "damp squib" of a "Global Pandemic"?) It's not us in Infectious Diseases who don't care, but it is every one else who see this as yet another occasion of "The Boy who called Wolf".
We don't need the help of "Backyard Biotechnologists" - Nature can (and will) provide the "final solution" without any intentional help from any of us - our Unintentional help - overuse and misuse of antibiotics - is providing all the "help" needed.
'..our Unintentional help - overuse and misuse of antibiotics - is providing all the "help" needed.'
Couldn't agree with you more; what a cluster fuck modern medicine has become. Also, what you said about warnings falling on deaf ears resonates. The way politicians have 'weaponized' scientific issues has seriously undermined the beauty and truth of science. There is growing ambivalence and even hostility toward science. This is not a good trend...
Yes, it is and better than sintering; it's called EBM (Electron beam melting) - it can produce ready to use critical aerospace parts, such as turbine blades, with better quality than traditional processes, even (no structural defects).
Yeah we'll, marijuana is mostly illegal. How the hell can they enforce their little rules? How would they know if someone produced one, or hundreds?
When they end up in Chicago or Detroit to be used by inner city gang members.
Thats why we have to stop this now!
/sarc
We must do it FOR THE CHILDREN!
On the contrary. There are plenty of illegal guns in Chicago and Detroit right now. But the .gov is going after NRA members with registered firearms. Easier pickings.
criminals keep all the fed ( folks on federal payroll ) employed, only fear keeps the Police Industrial Complex running, Criminals will never be taken off the street, otherwise the police-state would collapse.
The NRA is probably the biggest obstactle to 100% compliance,
After all the 'criminal' is just a WELFARE ( 60% US public feed on US treasury check's ) recipient in the USA collecting a side income.
The NRA members by definition, are free men, with their own income, and they can't be controlled.
Thus the 'enemy' of the government is the NRA, and not the welfare-parasite ( 60% who feed at the government pig trough, both parasites and government emloyees ).
Parasites and government employess is kinda redundant.
Ban blueprint reading.
Public schools are way ahead of you on this one....
Really? I thought that was just Algebra II! YAY TEXAS
The guys in colleges with these printers are already having fun with them.
Just ban IQ over 90.
And reading, writing, thinking, tools, lathes, plastics, injection moulding, libraries, Internet, history... not sure I covered them all, but banning intelligence would go a long way to stop people from being curious and inventive.
Unless that hand is firmly up the ass of currency-trader-cum-PM-cum-US Foreign Policy Puppet John Key and they decide to use the excuse of an ITAR violation to launch another raid on his house. Good thing they aren't re-writing domestic spying laws at the moment to legalise the surveillance necessary to enforce that kind of thing...
I thought the FBI gooned it up on this guy once in NZ because their masters- the hebes in Hollywood- were pissed at him.
The poeple of New Zealand were pretty shocked how this went down. Kim went on TV and told his side of the story and gave very credible evidence in court hearings. He is smarter, more articulate and speaks English better than any Justice Dept attorney.
The NZ public has sided with Kim because this was Obam and his cronies in Hollywood and Silicon Valley try to shut down a competitor. Google and may others offer the same storage technology. My guess is Kim did not give Uncle Sam a back door to go through Kim's databases and computers and Kim was getting too big for Google.
Why be a terrorist when you can be a torrentist
Pure comedy."it is unlawful to export any defense article or technical data"... oh, you mean like the gazillions of homemade gun designs already online?
Or, the blueprints to miniturize nuclear bombs for missiles like the W-88.
I guess its ok to allow the Chinese access to classified nuclear secrets, but, lo, wouldn't want them to know how to make plastic guns.
Better to shut it down now before the blueprints for the full auto version hits the web. Of course any gunsmith could accomplish that with relative ease.
Well, the replacement dust cover for a PVS-14 is an ITAR item, probably made in china: http://www.morovision.com/pvs-14-spare-parts.htm
The insanity of the US government is infinitely limitless.
Those who survive on Control will take the path of least resistance, to simply get a breath of what sustains them.
State dept. not Justice.
What's their jurisdiction in this?
Bingo.
None.
That's clearly laid out int the first paragraph of the Scribd doc, you don't even have to scroll down to read it.
And State's jurisdiction isn't exclusive, the Department of Commerce can step in claiming authority under its EAR authorities the minute a judge rules against the State's claim authority under ITAR.
Ideas are dangerous things. The government must control all ideas for the benefit of all of us.
We knew it all along. Guttenberg was a terrorist.
Will the first 3d printed gun incident will be homicide or suicide?
....or a false flag?
...or on a plane?
Controlled demolition?
Who knows, but the rifling in the barrel will be gone after a couple dozen rounds I suspect. Personally, I will take my S&W 357 any day. With a bit of range time, it is effective and you only need one shot.
It's a single shot pistol for god's sake. The whole intention of the original Liberator was to air drop them over enemy occupied territory where a user could get in close to a nazi and blow their head off at 3 feet... Then you take their frigging Luger, or better.
Rifling, if there is any at all, wouldn't survive a single shot.
The firearm itself probably won't survive a dozen rounds fired through it. It will probably explode on round 5. It's a brilliant idea, very retro, but intended for a specific mission- kill a nazi, take their gun.
Glad you got the significance. This guy is a genius, probably working for nothing.
Amateurs worry about tactics, professionals worry about logistics, fools worry about hardware.
I've met Cody, he is a really bright guy and choose to reproduce the 'Liberator' for it's historical significance and name.
He would be a great ZH member, in fact he may actually be... I've seen him on the bitcoin forums before.
+1 - S&W .357 is one of the most versatile weapons ever devised. Don't need no steenkin' plastic gun!
Bankercide
(The word "homicide" denotes the killing of a human being. Bankers do not qualify under that category.)
Homicide. The cops will kill whoever they find with one. Like the little girl in the V mask.
The State Department? Seriously?
Would that be the same State Department that has betrayed my people and my country for -- what is it? -- 70 years or so now?
Sorry -- my time is the future, and it has arrived. And in my time we are all polite, and we are all armed.
And you are all gone.
These are the same folks who want to do the UN Treaty that will ban firearms for private citizens here in the states. They are better known as traitors.
What difference does it make?
--President #45
More than you know.
President Boehner
Benghazi wouldn't have gone down if they all had 3D printed guns inside the compound, bitchezs.
If these scum calling themselves government are the law, I prefer to be an outlaw.
Don`t gotta 3D printer, probably will never... but told my buddy hurry and download it fast! He was like huh? why.
Background checks for all printer purchases!
Think of the children!!!! (fuck you uncle sam)
They're only pissed off because 3D weapons printing threatens to cut in on a piece of their action as the number one arms dealer in the world. Can you imagine the cut in their profits if everybody could print their own guns? We can't be having that.
Yeah I think that about sums it up. All corporatism, all the time.
yes doc....plastic drones that kill from the skies and inhibit liberty good....plastic guns that ensure liberty bad...
Government wants to maintain its monopoly on violence. Anything that upsets that monopoly is bad.
Forward (over the cliff)!
I'm still waiting for the pressure cooker blueprints.
But but but chump666 says items made that way may explode
Don't see the point. Plastic printed guns, more likely double jam, explode and/or melt.
the idea of the original liberator was to liberate yourself a better gun with your first shot
It's early in the development stage. Given time they will get past that problem.
I'm waiting for that liquid amorphous metal from Terminator before I download my 3d gun plans......
It's already here. Anyone can walk into a Home Depot and purchase epoxy resins, like JD Weld, that when blended together become as hard as steel.
As a side note, I've never actually tried to roll up an epoxy resin to form a barrel and check to see if it could withstand the pressures of a rifled steel barrel. And, I realize the exercise is to make a gun out of plastic with the 3D printer. But, someday someone will come up with a way to extrude an epoxy resin barrel that can be rifled and will have the same strength and heat resistance characteristics of steel.
The technology is new and will be improved upon. The Feds know this and will do everything they can to squash this technology like they'll try to squash bitcoin.
Mythbusters made a cannon out of duct tape.
And a boat.
And a bridge.
And a presid-
You can buy a barrel liner and lay it up with carbon-fiber cloth and epoxy resin. Voila', one barrel.
If they outlaw glass and carbon matting, what is nanny Bloomturd going to do when disgruntled beach bums start poking holes in his and his buddies fiberglass yachts?
i can picture one of those puppies getting onboard a domestic flight with the help of some three letter agency, paving the way for some new offense by yet another three letter agency
the joke used to be, "russian express, dont leave home!"
now, not so much
It will just show (at least to ZHers) that the TSA is a huge security theater. If you wanted to really eliminate terrorist attacks on planes you would install steel doors. Problem solved and very affordable without destroying our rights.
Can you 3D print guillotines? We are going to need a lot of them shortly and they are too expensive and cumbersome to ship. This would ensure that all government bureaucrats and politicians will be able to be executed in their own jurisdiction.
Dream on.
No, guillotines won't ever be used, won't ever be any so-called "revolution", hasn't happened by now, won't happen at all, forget it. America is sheep and cowards. Figure out which one you are.
3D printers can print 3D printers that can print 3D printers that can print 3D printers that can print guillotines.
Think ceramic knives... the tech and materials are changing.
Pre-Crime. You can be threatened, harassed, bankrupted and jailed for pre-crime. In the land of Jefferson, Washington and Ben Franklin.
By the way, this is the same State Department that is giving chemical (and conventional) weapons to al-qaeda operatives in Syria. The same al-qaeda we are supposed to be afraid of in...um...Afghanistan, or whatever.
iNTERESTING ! A copy of a forged birthrecord can stay on White House servers without any investigative agency but a 3D print is illegal? An illegal CiC is OK but ...
State department: we know you're watching! If you see something, say something. Look at the White House forged birth certificate? The social security number of the imposter president was originally issued to Harrison J Bounel in Connecticut.
What are you waiting for? Go get 'em boys!
Silly State Department. You can't remove piss from a pool.
Someone needs to make a 3d printable neutron bomb.
And send it to DC.
"A PLASTIC PISTOL IN EVERY POT, TO WARD OFF TYRANNY"
Now that is a good updated revision for an old presidential platform.
Background checks! Let's start in the White House!
Cue the crisis actors with 3d printers and some anti statist agenda. The FBI has gotta have at least a half dozen of these nuts ready to rumble.
Give them a curtain time and tell them to make it look real this time. No more fake prosthetics falling off or multiple interviews with the same actors! And this time we need a hot female lead with big tits and long legs - we are loosing the males eyeballs early in the publicity I mean news cycle.
Lights, camera, propaganda... we have got sheeple to shear!
</sarc>
legal eagle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvfEEQT5rCM
A plastic gun would only be apropos for shooting our government bureaucrats and the rest of the political class if they were inanimate, non-thinking cardboard cutouts possessed of no morality, or some such. Oh, wait...
Last I checked there was no shortage of rocks or stones either. Those government bureaucrats you speak of seem a little nervous now don't they? It would be a lot better if they just resigned, got on a boat and went out to sea and had a problem.
I said this the other night. You don't need a printer, just a printer service. Go downlaod the 3D pistol plans right now. Send one part to each of ten or so dfferent printing companies. There is no stopping it. Upload the drawing from your home computer. Get the instant quote. Have the part in a few days. What will the printing companies do - say that a part looks too much like a trigger and refuse to make it? All the law student who designed the thing has to do is take away one part from his webpage. Then it isn't a gun anymore. He could post the remaining part on his charm bracelet webpage - or whatever.
Does anybody think that Al Queada (sp?) already has it up on their webpage?
http://www.shapeways.com/
http://i.materialise.com/cart
http://www.sculpteo.com/en/
http://www.lasersintering.com/
http://www.protocam.com/index.html
I'll pick up a rock with a sharp edge if I have to.
Hey!!!! If a criminal is breaking ino your basement I bet you can print off a gun faster than 911 would bring any help.
Yah.
Or even a blunt rock.
Get too close to my cave and I will crush your skull with it.
(Just kidding ... mostly.)
=)
What a bunch of dumbfux. Making a weapon is simple easy.....three D not needed.
talkin about GOVT not ZH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ejxHV5TEWQ
Oh boy, I was really intimidated by the one shot lamibility of "The Liberator" versus my WASR-10, M1A, 1911A1, Model 590, Model 77, Super Redhawk, SKS, et cetera. You might as have a good steel blade and you would be better off. This is bullshit again meant to fuck independently minded people like many of ourselves who often tell others to "Fuck Off". I watched that video a couple of days ago and I was immediately suspect. For fuck sakes, I will GIVE you a real gun to defend yourself if need be and ammo as well. This is MOAR stupid shit about guns to keep the narrative going. Fuck off already for fuck's sakes.
manip:
I think the idea is the guy's a law student and he has made an important set of points here. It's a win. Yes there are obviously better systems available.
I think he will get an A+ in Const. Law this semester.
I would not be so sure.
I think it's interesting that they published a complete printed AR-15 lower, joining several other sets of files on the internet for CNC machines, and nothing whatsover happened.
Same with the magazines they printed. It's almost like they're trying to get attention, not getting it, so they up the ante.
seek, you old owl, you are prescient on that statement as most of your comments are. That whole video was bullshit IMHO. Show me the production process. An $8000 3-D printer off E-bay? What? I am a bit of a gunsmith. I installed a Timney trigger on my Ruger all by myself for example. Why is there no assembly and disassembly how to video?
Printed magazines? Printed plastic spring pressure on the printed follower? That's sounds like it is full retard.
Great comments, both ya's..
I know you won't believe me but they can and are printed.
I printed a magazine at a hackerspace in the bay and tried it out shortly after. 14 shots and it broke.
3d printers are amazing things. A gun is a lot less advanced than human organs.
Check out this printed ear.
www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/02/scientists-use-3d-printer-to-create-bioni...
http://qz.com/78877/how-soon-will-we-be-able-to-3-d-print-entire-human-organs-sooner-than-you-think/
Oh, I have no doubt about either the gun or mag. (I have a CNC router myself, the subtractive technologies are all orders of magnitude more precise that the additive tech printers.)
It's the motive, reactions, publicity and escalation that I'm suspicious of.
Fuck off yourself, or step up the debate.
Let's look at the original Liberator.
The Liberator was designed for use by the enlightened SHEEPLE. Those already in the resistance, already had varying qualities of guns and varying qualities of training to use their existing weapons or acquire further weapons.
The decision was made not to deploy large quantities of Liberators in an effort to redistribute some of the vast quantities of superior firearms that were littering the playing field from the government thugs to the sheeple.
THE MORE PRACTICAL, AND BETTER QUESTION, IS WHETHER A DIFFERENT DECISION WOULD HAVE A MEASUREABLE IMPACT, SHOULD WE FIND OURSELVES RINSING & REPEATING IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
What? Why you Son of a Bitch... Sure, let's step up the debate. Let me know when you plan to start said debate.
I'm back to my ZH/tranny/porn/chart hobby now, my day job interreupted, sorry about that
+1 for the Chris Farley. I've seen his knife-work skills and I think if he were still around he'd be a very serious candidate for a Liberator. I think it would be a misguided and a terrible waste for either of us to risk such valuable resources as a 1911 and ammunition on a such a person. Fortunately, none of my neighbors are that comically inept and most of them wouldn't have any need for my spares (at least initially). Then there's the problem of how either of us would even smuggle such resources behind enemy lines and into the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia (assuming you're not already there).
But I think the debate and all the stupid shit that it encompasses is important and the debate should be kept going. It allows independently minded people to identify and think further aspects that aren't covered in the mindless mainstream debates and may not have occurred them. The tech types in San Francisco might be more likely to have the tools and skills required to fabricate a plastic Liberator than a machined steel handgun, if they ever awaken from their zombie trance and realize freedom isn't necessarily what they thought it was. If they do awaken and chose to stand up to tyranny- it means fewer federal door-kickers would be available to kick down my door and endanger my family, while giving someone in Cali one shot and one chance, which is all any of us can really demand, to make a difference for their loved ones should the need arise.
+1 back to you. Farley was hilarious. Too bad.
OK, your second post I can follow a little better that the first one. I think I see what you are saying now and I would have to agree that some folks are best off not messing around with guns. My point is that the asswipes in CONgress, with all of the 2500 page laws that they have to vote on before they can read, is likely to contain a bunch of language that is overly broad which encompasses far more firearms than the liberator if a bill came before them.
You see, I am extremely cynical of everything the state does. For all I know, that plastic gun was made by the CIA in order to justify the state to keep the gun narrative going. It's just a matter of time before one of these printed guns is involved in a heinous crime. Let's be honest here as you seem to have some knowledge of firearms; that thing looks like a piece of shit to me. Yeah, maybe it shoots a few times before it falls apart but I have always purchased higher end guns for the most part.(hence my avatar) Poorly made firearms give the owner a false sense of security. There is nothing worse than poorly made firearm.
No worries on the reply timing, I was at work all day too but not anymore and it's Friday. I still have some things to do yet. I will check back later. I'm glad we did not go fight club this morning. Peace.
When I first saw that "gun" I had a similar reaction- I literally couldn't stop laughing. However, I later remembered the first knife (dirk) I made in high-school shop class (a very different era)- it was "primitive" and had blade profile only a parent could love- despite lots of intellectual and academic debate about the utility and trade-offs of different blade designs- for stabbing vs slashing attacks, kitchen slicing, or prying into classmates' lockers (and academics today like to boast of protecting freedom of speech on campus)- my first finished piece came out looking like "crap" from a knife-owner's standpoint.
I think when looking at Cody's design from the standpoint of a gun user, most of us are going to come to a similar conclusion, but ZH isn't a gun forum- so we get a real diversity of viewpoints. I wasn't aware (before the debate) that industrial printers were "printing" metal alloys, which does have ramifications for any medium sized machine shop- from being able to crank out a dozen identical knife (or lawnmower) blades using different alloys to do in-house R&D, to being able to print titanium firing pins when machining AR-15 lowers from aluminum billets to offer a more high-end product for customers, without setting up a separate production line or out-sourcing.
The government aspect is very problematic, especially in the longer term. Regardless of whether their fingers are currently in the pot- they will try and use the advancements to advance their ongoing encroachment on citizens' liberties. Cody Wilson isn't much older than I was when I first starting cranking out neo-primitive designs on shop equipment, and I don't rule out .gov involvement, since apparently some guys at Google didn't have any reservations about jumping into bed with the devil.
However, looking at the FBI, ATF, DHS paradigms of faciliating entrapment, I think that if the fascist elements were trying to nefariously advance gun-control- they are less likely to be playing a long-game with plastic guns then they are to find a psychologically malleable person, and equip them with an 80% AR-15 lower, and then push them over the edge so that they go postal at some school with a weapon that has no serial number, and this would create a public outcry immediately for a clamp down on the great American tradition of SME tinkering (when not done through official large scale and taxpayer subsidized MIC R&D labs/skunkworks).
Looking at this "step backwards" I seem some interesting future possibilities when I look at the history of the cell phone industry (since a cell phone is simply a two-way radio plugged into a telecom network). In 2006 NEC labs launched the N908, which was another "step backwards", it was hard to see the screen in sunlight and there were no buttons to provide tactile response when trying to dial while driving... A year later Apple's superior design team launched the iPhone and changed the entire cell phone industry by refining and expanding on the NEC design.
On the negative side, mid-decade 00's- Nokia was the 800lb gorilla in the mobile phone market, and had it's own (proprietary) operating system based on open-source Debian Linux. In 2007, Google (with its non-privacy policy & CIA-funding) launched the competing "Open" Handset Alliance centered on Google's own (proprietary) operating system based on open-source Linux, which like competitor Apple, and unlike Nokia, must be sprung from jail if one wants any control over their own phone. Apple and Google with their fascist friendly "open" products now dominate the market, whereas Nokia reached the apex of freedom with the N900 in 2009 which packaged root access to a linux shell and a computer on a 2-way (cellphone, A/B/G Wifi, Bluetooth, and FM band) radio. Oh well, opportunities lost... rant over.
Some Sam & Rodney with a dose of MSM-fed blonde dimwit thrown in for your weekend laughs. Peace
edit: damn typos
Eric holder: gun runner. Go get 'em, State Department! Go! Go! What are you waiting for?
Leave him alone. Eric is busy. He had to run down to the nearest Staples and procure a supply of printers and flash drives for copies of the plans. He had a number of gun runners and drug lords lined up and the border waiting for the supplies. He didn't say what the hurry was.
He was rushing to complete his demonic trifecta and meet the 'Heisenberg of printing': The Bernanke