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US State Department Halts 3-D Gun Production: Demands Removal Of All Online Blueprints
Three days ago, in an article that looked at the convergence of 3-D printing and the 2nd Amendment, we presented "the Liberator" - the world's first fully 3-D printed firearm. The name was aptly chosen because courtesy of its creator, 25-year old UofT law student Cody Wilson, and his non-profit group Defense Distributed, its online blueprint and assembly instructions liberated "anyone to be able to download and print a gun with no serial number, in the privacy of their garage" in effect completely circumventing any gun control/distribution laws, background checks and other regulatory hurdles of an increasingly authoritarian government. In fact, we were counting the number of days before some US Federal agency would come knocking on Cody Wilson's door and involved that other key Amendment - the First, by either "disappearing him" or politely enforcing a permanent Cease and Desist of all production, including, of course, the removal of all online "liberating" blueprints. We didn't have long to wait - it took just one week.
As Tech Crunch reports, "the State Department has demanded that new blueprints for a fully 3-D-printed gun be taken offline just a week after they were posted. The Office of Defense Trade Controls Compliance is forcing outspoken Second Amendment crusader Cody Wilson to remove the downloadable 3-D printer files from Defcad.org under expert laws known as the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR)."
"Until the Department provides Defense Distributed with final [commodity jurisdiction] determinations, Defense Distributed should treat the above technical data as ITAR-controled,” reads the State Department order, seen below in its entirety.
Specifically, the Dept of State claims that under "ITAR, it is unlawful to export any defense article or technical data for which a license or written approval is required without first obtaining the required authorization from the DDTC. Please note that disclosing (including oral or visual disclosure) or transferring technical data to a foreign person, whether in the United States or abroad, is considered an expoert under [ ] ITAR." And since by implication this means that all the data can be seen by at least one foreigner, "this means that all such data should be removed from public access immediately."
Naturally, Cody would be stupid to fight the US government on this one, which is why he won't. "We have to comply" he told Forbes.
However, courtesy of the magic of the internet, taking down his files does nothing for the some 100,000 downloads of the entire blueprint set, distributed among various nodes, and are now held, in one instance, in Kim Dotcom's offshore New Zealand servers, where not even the long hand of John Kerry can reach. And just as a backup, the files have also been uploaded to the decentralized bittorrent database, Pirate Bay.
More interesting will be whether the PGP case study of anti-Big Brother retaliation applies in the Liberator case. As TechCrunch explains:
According to Forbes’ Andy Greenberg, Wilson sees parallels between his strife and the governments abandoned attempts at censoring military-grade encryption software. In the 1990s inventor Phil Zimmermann released software, PGP, so difficult to crack that it could have permitted malicious actors from hiding information from law enforcement. Wilson believes public pressure ultimately convinced the government to back off of Zimmermann.
It’ll be interesting to see whether the government has any actual power to prevent the propagation of 3-D gun blueprints.
Since the libertarian community is quite adept at bypassing the tyranny of an encroaching despot, it has already made the pre-banned files widely available to anyone who wishes to access them. The links, courtesy of SHTFplan.com, are below:
- Pirate Bay torrent download information: http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/8449468/Liberator_-_First_3D_Printable_Gun
- Or at: http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/8444391/DefDist_Liberator_Pistol
- ZIP FILE: http://www.fatguyinmontana.com/2013/05/07/defense-distributed-liberator-pistol/
- You’ll also need a 3D printer – the Cube 3D printer is available for retail purchase from Staples at a cost of $1299.
Finally, as a warning to those who wish to take the Federal government head on in what appears to be its attempt to regulate decentralized gun creation, SHTFplan also presents the following warning.
An administrator at the DefCad forums posted the following warning regarding the government’s takedown and the current status of The Liberator and 3D firearms based on its plans:
I’ll be bringing in legal authority and FAQ, but for now, if you are not a registered FFL/SOT:
1. DO NOT print a completely polymer firearm capable of firing a bullet (barrel inserts or no), as you will likely create anNFA regulated firearm. Specifically, you will likely create an AOW zip gun.2.
DO NOT print a completely polymer firearm capable of firing a bullet (barrel inserts or no), as you will likely violate the so-called Undetectable Firearms Act.
Not listening to items 1 and 2 means you are on your way to committing a Federal crime. Because of the public profile and interest over this kind of activity at the moment, you WILL be made an example of. You WILL go to federal prison, and you WILL never be able to own a firearm again.
The full State Department Letter, signed by Glenn Smith, Chief of the Enforcement Division, demanding the removal of the 3D gun blueprints is presented below.
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So what?
Yous gooina have some goons from the goonsquad visits yous?
Yous gooina stop making plastic guns, or weez goina put your head in the printer!
Now Fugeddaboutut.
This is a tough issue, and we look forward to the day when this site will cleanse the posting of obscene messages. Sorry to say, what is needed are people of good will, minds and unprofane mouths....
oh bullshit! go fuck yourself! you asshole cunt of a god damned pissing steaming shit pile!
You mean fukkin people who dont fukkin say fuck every other fukkin word? Fuck dat U fuckhed
Fucking fucked up fuck, fuck.
(edit: i feel like i am 12 years old again instead of 112)
:)
Fuck the Fucking Fuckers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26UA578yQ5g
The whole system has way too many fires to put out at one time, and all it will take is the "one that got away", which will set the whole house on fire and bring the whole ponzi scheme psychopath machine to its knees.
The "when" part of the SHTF equation has now been answered with rats fleeing a sinking ship, ready to fly to their private island . . . assuming they can get that far.
I don't get what the fuss is all about. Other than being made of plastic, it's nothing special. You could make a plastic gun on a milling machine and lathe. Then again, you can make a really decent copy of any machine gun you want if you have those tools and some basic know-how. The first guns came out in what? The 1500s? Machine guns as a technology are over 100 years old already. It's not worth fighting.
i guess i'll have to throw out the program for the rpg i had in mind........
Pure bullshit that, if there is a glimmer of justice left in this country, doesn't have a chance of standing up in court. The 3D printer files are no different than electronic blueprints!
With paper blueprints and a $600 Harbor Freight multi-purpose machine (MUCH cheaper than the sort of 3D printers needed to make the not very durable 3D printed receivers), a fully automatic firearm receiver could be (illegally) made out of very durable metal. But they aren't calling for a ban of firearm blueprints are they? That would be ridiculous.
Here are the blueprints for a fully automatic submachine gun that the Brits made 4 MILLION of in WWII, designed to be very simple and cheap to make:
Blueprints for The STEN MKII (complete machine plans)
http://www.milsurps.com/content.php?r=422-Blueprints-for-The-STEN-MKII-%...
With the electronic 3D printer blueprint files and a 3D printer, a far less durable firearm receiver could be made. But they're trying to block those blueprints simply because it would be easier to make a vastly inferior illegal firearm receiver using them. Ridiculous!
I dearly hope they take this to court because they will be laughed out of court IF there is any justice in this country left.
The first casualties of an infowar are ideals.
Bernake wants those 3d printers
In my version of hope and change, Patriotic Americans start exterminating OBowel Movement voters.
does this mean that if the program is not published in its entirety that it is legal? that if the program was not labeled as a gun or parts of a gun then it is legal?
is .gov really dumb enough to think this issue is over with a cease and desist order. i would guess that since this gun was printed there are hyndeds of guys printing one out and/or engineering improvements in material and design.
No, everything is automatically illegal except what the Government permits. In other words, the complete opposite of freedom.
Go on, let's have completely unregulated, untraceable, potentially undetectable lethal weapons made available to every single man, woman and child on the face of the earth with access ot a 3D printer.
Wow, I feel safer already.
You mean like in 1776 ? When you could make your own so to speak?
For crying out loud grow a pair will you? You have more to fear from the state than you do from a 3d printed gun.
Sweet. So next time I cross paths with a guy with a unusually short temper, or an attitude problem, or a criminal history, I can worry about them swinging one of these up and capping me in the face with it. I can look forward to even longer wait-times at airports while the TSA strip searches every single one of us because the metal scanners don't work anymore. I can worry about my kids getting mown down by some lunatic kid, who no-one in their right mind would ever arm, as long as he has a printer and an internet connection.
We aren't just making it easier to arm ourselves, we're making it easier to arm all the people who are desperate enough to rob gas stations or hold up liquor stores or rob people in the street and just needed a method to do it with. People who should by no means be given the power to take away human life now have full, convenient and unlimited access.
I don't want to shoot anyone, I just want to be able to live my life without someone shooting me.
This has to be a JOKE,
First of all this 'plastic gun' is single shot, and would take a decade to re-load.
To suggest that anybody with a printer can make a real-gun just show's that this poster 'cashcollateral' is either a TROLL, or provocateur.
Just to be fair even a high quality 'printer' is $100k, and even those just make cheap plastic shit. The russians have special printers that merge plastics and titanium, but that stuff is millions of dollars for the printer, and even then and old paint bucket can make a 'sten' by hand.
The idea that this 'new' technology allows any idiot to be 'armed and dangerous' has got to be the BIGGEST marketing ploy ( think BT BARNUM ) in history.
Like i mentioned early 'zip gun', we used to remove a spoke from a bike, and then cut 1/4" of coat hanger, reverse the spoke nut, and fill with match-heads then insert coat-hanger, then put match under 'bullet' and FIRE, ... did far more accurate damage with a bike spoke with zero risk to user than this gun will ever, ...
The problem here is 'liberal's seem to think this gun is automatic, or even worse they don't understand that this barrel is SINGLE-SHOT, ... the heat from a single shot would destroy the barrel, so in effect this gun is NO better than a knife, ... but a knife held by a trained fighter would be far better.
A trained fighter would run from this gun.
A high school sociopath, ... can spend 1,000's of hours, and 'printing' and at best he would end up with a 'model', that would fall apart, and most likely injure him,
My prediction is what comes out of this is most injury lawsuits.
Do you really think that the people you describe won't have access to a gun if they really want one? If they're desperate enough to rob gas stations they aren't the type of person who has enough money for a 3d printer, and if they do have a gun they most likely will have stolen it. Shit it's not too hard to go build a gun with scrap materials in a garage.
Yeah, being safe is neat. If you're a male with a pussy.
Do you have old grannies walk you across the street? Becuase you are much more likely to meet your maker doing that..
Does Miss Daisy drive you? Now that is some dangerous shit, out there on the roads!
Don't Safe Me, Bro!
I have a decent sized scar on my shoulder. I got it many years ago at a houseparty, when a juiced-up stranger decided he didn't like my face and started shoving me around. When I shoved back, he pulled out a knife and started swinging. I was lucky that time: a friend caught the guy from behind and pinned him before he could really do some damage.
With that guy in front of me, high as fuck, knife in his hands and after my blood, at no point did I look into his eyes and think: "gee, you know what this maniac needs? More firepower!"
Some people shouldn't have access to guns, because if they do, they will hurt people: deliberately, or impulsively, or recklessly. The existing system does a shit job of keeping guns out of their hands, but I'm pretty sure giving them complete unrestrained access to potentially lethal weaponry isn't a better answer.
But hey, maybe they'll just keep them at home and sit on them, using them only for defending their rights and property like true patriots should. But if you believe that you clearly have more faith in human nature than I do.
Yes, and learning some manners wouldn't hurt, either.
Ma'am, you don't need a weapon to kill. A basic understanding of anatomy (know where the carotid and femoral arteries are) and a ballpoint pen will suffice.
Apparently you have never seen a kydex knife either.
"completely unregulated, untraceable, potentially undetectable lethal weapons made available to every single man, woman and child on the face of the earth with access ot a 3D printer"
CC, you have an irrational fear of plastic or of guns. FBI murder statistics for 2012 say more murders are committed with hammers than with rifles. And fists, hands and feet were also very high on the list. And lets not forget the very high possibility of a drunk driver mowing you down.
Really, instead of being scared of a plastic one shot gun, you should be pissing your pants every time you see a person bigger than you with 2 arms and legs or who may own a hammer and has access to a vehicle and a Bud Light. Plus if someone really wanted to shoot you, they certainly would not require a plastic 3d printer to do it.
Searching for safety in pointless governement regualtions is a real waste of your time and energy. You could be arming yourself, learning new skills and prepping instead.
I can see 3D gun printing as the next underground industry.
No worries, Big Sis will just buy up all the printing stock to make the 3-D printers useless
I concur that 'cody' is a foil, ...
So let's look at what they have done past 24-48 hours, BAN worldwide any access to the blueprints, the fact that they ( DOD ) can do this while acknowledging that they don't even have the law on their side is chilling.
Note the in the past few weeks we have black thugs kicking in door armed in boston and not a peep. Now we have entire subject matter dissapearing on the internet, anything that has the tag 'liberator' is now censored worldwide by the NSA/DOD
CODY is a law student, a guy that has failed to become a lawyer. What better way to get a 'job' in the federal government, than what he is now doing.
Most chilling of ALL here is the fact that the so called gun design will KILL you, the fact is 99% of these printers use cheap plastic, and any so called design will simply kill the user. Far better would be single-shot zip gun, or spoke-gun that we used to make as children, simply using and bike spoke,
Cody's material reminds me of the 'anarchist cookbook', long ago black-book that came out of the FBI, everything in the book, if you followed the directions would kill the 'maker'.
Cody has all the liberal's a panic, ... most chilling is this 'gun' is shit, ... but in the minds of the gullible now anything that can be used as 'self defense' on the internet can now be BANNED and BLOCKED worldwide by the NSA-DOD, and not a fucking peep.
The liberal's and the ACLU will look on in exceptance. My personal guess is that goes back the wiki-leaks HILLARY data, anything on LIBYA will now dissapear worldwide, the NSA-DOD has now proven they can block any subject world wide without any authority or court.
I think 'cody' just created the perfect scheme, and note that DOD(CIA/NSA) needs this to control the debate. With the subject of 'guns' no fear of the liberal, and given the lies the right will think their fighting for real gun's.
Nobody needs a fake toy gun, ... the fight is for REAL GUN's the worst part of this debate is REAL patriots might take this shit seriously and defend CODY, ... and he's a 100% charalatan, and that is a fact.
Welcome to the New World Order.
o.k. let's call it a ball-point-pen production from now on...
3D Gun Printing just sounds too dangerous.
Is that a 3D Gun Printing Press in your Pocket,
or are you just trying to launch me a missile ?
wr;)
Why bother with 3D when the real thing is everywhere. I mean, do you want to go to gun fight with a plastic gun and take the chance it misfires ?!?! Hahaha
Yes, go back to Jeff Cooper or any real shooter and look how they shoot, .. 'modern technique',
Yet hollywood always show's the 'hoods' holding their gun horiztonal, WTF?
A real combat trained man would not shoot like they show in the movies and a real shooter would never take a 'plastic toy gun' to a gun fight.
The problem here is whole generation of children and idiot men/women will become distracted with this BULLSHIT, rather than learning about real gun stuff.
I highly suggest anybody that wants to know about gun's for real to study Jeff Cooper ( books ), any modern gun combat material. The finest gun the 45 ACP COLT will nevr be made with ABS or bullshit plastic, and like somebody mentioned above the world is full of good gun's, ... but TOPIC's such as this just cause more people to be distracted,
So your going to arm your self with a 'plastic liberator' when the black-hoods ( federal payroll goons ) come to your door to rob you, and rape the women of the house?
"....the consent of the governed...."
Do you consent to your government?
sorry. double post.
In the spirit of Alinsky, shall we start to review the performance of Ms. Bridget van Buren and Mr. Glenn Smith at State?
"Ancient politicians talked incessantly about morality and virtue; our politicians talk only about business and money."
Rousseau
***URGENT*** YOUR IMMEDIATE ATTENTION IS REQUIRED
From: The Federal Bureau of Investigation, The Central Intelligence Agency, Department of Homeland Security
Dear Mr. Durden(s),
You have 1 hour to remove the following links from your zerohedge.com blog page entitled "US State Department Halts 3-D Gun Production: Demands Removal Of All Online Blueprints"
Pirate Bay torrent download information: http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/8449468/Liberator_-_First_3D_Printable_Gun
Or at: http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/8444391/DefDist_Liberator_Pistol
ZIP FILE: http://www.fatguyinmontana.com/2013/05/07/defense-distributed-liberator-...
You’ll also need a 3D printer – the Cube 3D printer is available for retail purchase from Staples at a cost of $1299.
If you do not comply your web site zerohedge.com will be permanently shut down.
Sincerely,
Glenn Smith
State Department
Chief of Enforcement
The medium is the message?
This pisses me off. With only 380,000,000 real firearms in private hands, how do they expect me to exercise my 2nd Amendment rights?
Office of Political Military Affairs...are they the ones who decide where to ship drones?
exactly
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the two words that summarise western civilization meme since Alexander and Julius Caesar :
Dominus et Mercator.
Whats new under the sun?
Just the humour of the sons of Diogenes and the fables of Homer to tell us whats up ahead.
You'd think the Enlightenment meme had changed civilization; lets think again!
Seems like the NRA doesn't want competition.
Someone needs to take the printable Liberator design just a wee bit farther and we'll essentially have a Glock. Happy day! The situation where the government fears the masses is GOOD.
There are already over 100,000 copies of the files floating around the Internet. They were a little too late. Plus anyone can make a simple gun easier than they can print one.
And just Where did the Gov get this info and giant Muthafucking red cape waved in front of them? Could it be -- gee I don't low -- ZH!?
And didn't something similar happen for BTC?
Sometimes you gotta wonder, but be far from me to have the balls to even 'question' the holier-than-God authors. Lest I get banned in a hissy fit. /s
What if he made 3-D scissors (for people to hide under the desk with)?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXceET3-awc
Can you print a pressure cooker with a 3d printer?
DefDist DEFCAD MEGA PACK v4.2
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DefDist Defcad Liberator Printable Gun
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I don't think the US state dept has authority over state citizens in their own states, I hope he has a good product liability disclosure too.
By putting the design on the internet he is exporting controlled technology the moment it is downloaded overseas.
There is nothing stopping him from legally emailing the same designs flagged for CJ review to any US citizen located the US (since he has an ATF license).
Obviously, Hitlary's State Department is in favor of disarming all gun owners, worldwide.
Even if it costs American lives.
More blood on her hands. Ignorant bloodsoaked cunt.
OLYMPIA, Wash. — The Washington state Administrative Office of the Courts was hacked sometime between last fall and February, and up to 160,000 Social Security numbers and 1 million driver's license numbers may have been accessed during the data breach of its public website, officials said Thursday.
http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/160-000-social-security-numbers-expose...
i wonder hwow many of these breaches of security we do not hear about?
I'm just glad we have HIPPA to safeguard our private med stuff.
rotflmao
Every liberty lover should find a copy of this file and store it on a disk somewhere! It should be THE most widely-distributed file in the nation!
TYRANNY IS HERE!
And it can be yours!!!
All for the low low cost of a 3d printer, and a spool of plastic!
What?!? you too good for a zip gun?
The war of oppression in America isn’t over. Cultural Marxism is tyranny. On December 15, 1791, the right to keep and bear arms was ratified. Keep the Second Amendment alive… by “bypassing the tyranny of an encroaching despot…” by keeping and bearing arms.
Academic Cesspools and Cultural Marxists (Or Do I Repeat Myself?)
Posted by Thomas DiLorenzo on May 9, 2013 | The LRC Blog
The insightful article by Walter Williams today pinpoints how cultural Marxists have essentially destroyed academic freedom at most American universities while pursuing an agenda of the infantilization of college students. In the old days the Marxists rarely, if ever, debated their intellectual opponents. Instead, they simply resorted to name calling and personal attacks ("Capitalist Tool!!"). After the worldwide collapse of socialism the academic Marxists gave up on the capitalist-working class exploitation story and reinvented themselves by inventing a new class of alleged exploiters: white heterosexual males. All other groups are, by definition, "oppressed" by what they call "white male privilege." The poorest, least educated white redneck living in an old bus down by the river in Mississippi is said to be, by definition, an "oppressor" of Oprah Winfrey, Tiger Woods, all women, gays, lesbians, the transgendered, and all the other mascot groups of the academic left.
Like the old Marxists, the cultural Marxists do not debate their intellectual opponents; they simply call them vile names. As the Walter Williams article pointed out, a potential donor to Bowdoin College was publicly labeled a "racist" by the college president because he suggested that Bowdoin should teach courses about American history and cool it with the obsession with "diversity" (a.k.a. institutionalized discrimination against white heterosexual males) as the sole purpose of higher education. This is why we observe such spectacles as when Walter Block gave a state-of-the-art public lecture at Loyola University Maryland on the economics of discrimination, a field pioneered by Professor Block's Columbia University dissertation advisor, the Nobel laureate Gary Becker, he was libeled by the university president, Brian Linnane, as a racist and a sexist. (Linnane wasn't even at the lecture; it was enough for him to hear that someone had criticized one of the superstitions of academic feminism, that sex discrimination is the one-and-only-cause of male/female wage differences). There are dozens -- probably hundreds -- of other similar examples in academe, which is why it has indeed become an academic cesspool, as Walter Williams describes.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/137366.html
The term 'cultural marxism' is shorthand codification for the continuation of the phony left\right dichotomy which distracts Merikans from getting to grips with the main enemy...
as those parties which the writer correctly identifies as being perpetrators of a culture war continuum.... are not 'marxists'... but rather... troskyites. Trots cover all segments of the ideological spectrum -neos co-opted the conservative movement in the 60s... and after Stalins' death the 'new left' was the vehicle for the trots to control the other side of the phony dialectic.
Those responsible for the planning and execution of this culture war needs be idenitified as trotskyite talmudist sionists... of the dual citiiZend kind. This will soon nuff be made 'illegal' to even speak of - in the refashioned, post BOSTONTERRORERRORNARRATIVENATION - which the serial false flag fabricators are waiting to impose permanently upon a somnolent and mind-controlled populace.
Therefore.... let it be recorded here for posterity... (Wall St birthed&bankrolled) LeonTrotsky's RedArmy terror joined forces with the (City of London bankrolled) "WhiteArmy" terror to turn from fighting each other... to take down the one effective counter to the talmudist dialectical scam - the BlackFlag militias of the Ukranian peeples self-organizing resistance - so as to be able to effectuate the true C20th holocaust... on the Ukraine.
Red and White terror divisions are poised upon your doorstep now... ready to effectuate the true C21st "holocaust" on Ukmerika(and the rest of the english speaking west) ...courtesy the usual suspects.
your priceless "bogeyman" theories should make you a fortune in Hollywood.
Pity Spielberg and Oliver Stone don't take u seriously.
Posterity has noted your new pearls of wisdom as it ushers in the "trotskyite talmudist sionist" menace to civilization, much worse than "rogue states" or "clash of civilization" tones of Huntingtonien thunderings.
All it needs is a zest of "femen" spice for it to be totally komplete in its zany plot of identifying those rabid Genoese boat rats who want to spread the plague to destabilise western civilization to its very primal roots.
Pity Spielberg and Oliver Stone don't take u seriously...
Phil&Ollie wouldn't give a moment's notice to that narrative which I float for the sake of posterity...they know the deal... and they know the limits to where truth can roam.
But apparently you do take my intrusions onto the playing field of dialectical distraction discussions here seriously....
as you feel compelled ever agin to step up and try to scornfully dismiss them... whenever they get under your skin.
a la prochaine!
How can you not like femen, i'd go to any of their protests purely to give them my moral support......
Go team Makhno!!
I'm gonna go with the simple solution:
Go buy a real gun and ammo while you still legally can.
Call me pragmatic -- it runs in the family.
As walmart says, why grow your own food when you can buy it from us.
They should get the guillotine blueprints as well, but I believe it's too late for them there as well. And, rope, many things can be made into a rope. hujel
Just to note, one could always use these plastic parts in a "lost wax casting" process to make them into metal pieces.
Jeezuz, there you go again, you Americans always coming up with ways to get around the rules.
Seeing as you'd be creating a metal version, it wouldn't be illegal according to the governmental warning...."do not print a polymer..."
Kind of humorous to watch the State Department go after plans already dispersed across the world for a plastic firearm.
Hey boys, millions upon millions of cold hard steel firearms already in the arms of patriots - give up the S.S. routine already.
100.000 downloads? Is the government going to make yet another list?
hmmm...3d drones?
what about 3d transformers! they will never spot them!
Bet the arms industry is kind of pissed right now! Why buy a gun make your own.
Thats why it was banned.
Last thing the capitalists want is for people to own the means of production.......LOL
you didnt make that gun....
Wait a minute, is this a threat to the warlords proft!
Even better, buy yourself a CNC machine and you can build yourself a real machinegun...
You don't need a CNC machine. P.A. Luty designs are designed to be buildable from plumbing supplies. All you need is a drill & drill stand and a bit of knowledge on how to work with metal.
There was some justice today - Jose Trevino is found guilty and in custody. http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2013/05/verdict-watch-defense-attorneys-closing.html
Comply, or off to Azkaban!
I’ll be the one to protect you from your enemies and all your demons
I'll be the one to protect you from a will to survive and a voice of reason
I'll be the one to protect you from your enemies and your choices son
They're one and the same, I must isolate you…
Isolate and save you from yourself …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ejsM0VF-Os
"1. DO NOT print a completely polymer firearm capable of...."
Sergeant Frank Tree: Do not push a clip of ammunition down into the feed rollers here.
Ward Douglas: No Sir, never.
Sergeant Frank Tree: You never restore this lever to firing position. Do not make sure that this cover is completely closed.
Ward Douglas: No Sir.
1941 (1979)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078723/trivia?tab=qt&ref_=tt_trv_qu
Chickenshits
Big deal. How often does this gun even discharge a round successfully and how many many rounds can you use it for before it falls apart? Anyone who thinks this will 'keep us from gov't tyranny' is as much an idiot as the gov't overreacting here. This is being completely overblown by both sides.
3-D printing & production in general is completely overhyped right now especially about the BS that it will bring about a renaissance in US manufacturing by the end of the decade. I can see some very practical applications for local-source production to replace plastic-molds and other things but it still has a long way to go. Only other things more overhyped right now are 'Big Data' (yeah great you have a ton of data that isn't organized and grows at a rate that is hopelessly impossible to keep up with) and GMO seeds (recent Nature journal $hit all over them and you still don't see a single study out from a non-industry source that says that they really increas corn/soybean yield vs non-GMO seeds let alone the ROI for the farmer.
Of course it is overhyped, and this printed gun is a piece of crap, but the Government wants to stop further development of the concept. That is what really worries them. New technology can start out as crap and incrementally get better over time, just like Japanese manufacturing from the end of WW II to the 1980s.
That is why the Gub'mint doesn't care how many times these plans are downloaded from Mega Upload or Pirate Bay. This is not about stopping a gun that will probably blow up in your hands after a few uses, but stopping people like Cody from developing this into a good weapon.
You are a danger to yourself and your family,if the bad guys jump you in your sleep,you're dead, your guns will always be to far or too late. But Don't Worry, you will probably die from a heart attack and by the way, the gov just care about your paycheck,nothing else.
The thing is this,
I've been in the US and I liked it very much over there. Most people I've met are friendly but Naive and they are pretty short sighted.
They are good at what they do but are not deversified IMO. Most knowledge and inventions are created and designed by foreigners who work there. Nothing wrong with that. Now, 3D printing looks pretty cool to me but printing a gun ( Even if it is whacky and can explode in your hand ) just goes to far for me. Over here in Europe we don't have real issues with guns like they have in the US. To be honest, Sometimes I really think that people are misusing instruments and this can have a real negative impact in the world. Like I said, here in Europe we don't have such gun laws like you guys there in the US and I am happy that we live quietly without them. In this case, I have to agree to ban ANYTHING that has to do with gun printing and anything alike. I want to be safe and don't want to be affraid that a neighbour can shoot at me if he has a bad mood because I farted on the Balcony. So yes, please ban this shit!
Too many arrogant short man with visible gun, don't come here.
Yes, and how did all those decades of statism work for you Hungarians? Run along now, like a good little sheep.
The man in the street does not notice the devil even when the devil is holding him by the throat.—Johann von Goethe
The last act of the October 1956 Hungarian uprising against the Soviet slave masters was a plea to other freedom-loving people around the world. A group of freedom-fighter seized control of a radio station and broadcast this desperate message to the world:
People of the world…help us!
People of Europe, whom we once defended against the attacks of the Asiatic barbarians, listen now to the alarm bells ring.
People of the civilized world, in the name of liberty and solidarity, we are asking for you to help.
The light vanishes.
The shadows grow darker hour by hour.
Listen to our cry.
God be with you and us.
The free world never came… Only the Soviets came and shut the station off the air...
Back, back to darker oblivion...
The silent scream…silenced by the oligarchs and so unheard by the world and the curtain closed…
or as i-dog said on ZH:
"Yet another black mark against that treacherous Eisenhower ... not that the "brotherly loving" socialist pussies in Europe get a free pass, particularly since Britain and France set up the 'Suez Crisis' at exactly the same time as a diversion for public consumption and therefore an excuse for not acting to help Hungary...."
The moral of this story was understood by America's founding fathers; if a people want to be free from government tyranny, they must provide for their self protection, hence, the right to keep and bear arms. Why, in view of their past history, is this so hard for Europeans to understand? Could it be that they depend upon America to save them? It won't happen, as shown above, and in the meantime, we the people are going to be busy defending ourselves from the tyrants who have usurped our freedoms.
IMHO.
Its a cultural mindset, americans are taught that guns solve problems, europeans are taught that guns cause problems.
A gun is just a tool nothing more, its the lack of intelligence/education in the user, thats why americans kill 500 people per million population per annum whereas europeans kill 10 people per million population per annum.
To be fair to the imperialist yankees their entire culture is one that worships violence over intelligence, thats why so many gun users are fuckwits, that said being a responsible gun owner in america must suck as you get blamed for every gangbanger or NRA/KKK twink who kills by accident or on purpose.
Too many people on zh lak respect for firearms and talk about them as toys.
Why cant the USA just ban people on medication/mental illness/violent offenders/ from owning guns, the NRA could run mandatory classes to stop fuckwits from getting licences, but the NRA is owned by gun MFRS and will do as they are told at the end its not about rights or the 2nd amendment its about greed and fear, the greed of the gun companies and the fear of gun owners.
you european socialists haven't a fucking clue about liberty and freedom. you've been under the jackboot of TPTB for so fucking long you can't see it... oh yeah, and I lived there for three years so I think I know something about it...
I've lived here for 42 years so i know a lil more than you.
I don't need to take a pair of fingernail clippers to my lower lip to know it's going to hurt.
Fuck off
Goddammit hes right......Now wheres my first aid kit?
You have to give those English types (like Mr. Tosser) a break though.
Certain unmetionable things happen to them in those boys schools that make them that way. They become ...er, submissive.
I'm not a catholic so no not at my school.
Logically only 50% of good catholic boys become submissive, 50% become more dominant shurely....
Why don't Europeans stop living off America's teet. Our milk is running dry.
Dude the day you want to leave your air bases and echelon hq, take all your nukes and pissoff from europe can not come too soon.
Echelons other use other than spying on foreners is commercial espionage against eu economies.
What were European morbidity rates per annum in the years, let's say, from 1930 to 1945 ?
Thats why the coal and steel treaty was made it led to the formation of the eu and for 50 years the eu stopped europeans from starting another world war.
The US occupation of Europe under the guise of NATO stopped Europeans from having another large war. Yugoslavia was part of Europe if I am not mistaken ...
Dear "Colonic intent", it always strikes me as odd when Europeans take pot shots at the US over things such as gun violence. Maybe the "civilized" people on that side of the pond just prefer things be on a grander scale? You have no doubt evolved far beyond your ancestors, and would never repeat the carnage of another world war. As I recall, the death toll numbered in the millions for both. Far more lives than have been claimed in the US due to gun violence, or any other type of violence for that matter. Thank god the culturally superior Europeans value intelligence over violence. WWII was a long time ago, you say? If I'm not mistaken, numerous Euro countries are/have been involved in Afghanistan. In other words, "take your condescending, statist, bullshit attitude, and shove it". Warmest regards, Edel
I would have thought someone with your moniker would be happy that none of the european countries had gone to war with each other over the last 50 years, thats why the eu was originally created.
P.S.
Your nostalgia for SS combat units is pathetic conisdering people like you would never be eligible for recruitment.
IMHO
Dear "colonic intent", it seems you've had a blow out of sorts. The point I was making is that Europeans have a long history of violence, and are in no position to try to "educate" those of us in America on such matters. If you honestly believe that the creation of the EU will prevent any further war/hostility, then you are an idiot. Also, I tend to lean Libertarian in my views. My avatar has nothing to do with nostalgia for a fascist regime.
Really, well if you want to get into the ancesters rivalry, we both have our share of genocide, germwarfare and wars of aggression.
I am not saying ours is better than yours what i am saying is that i have more rights as an individual and more safety in the eu than out of it, if your culture had ever had a war on its own soil it would see the point of fighting on other peoples land rather than your own.
America is a young country and is yet to learn these lessons, you still believe you are superioror because of greater firepower, however you are in no way our intellectual or cultural superiorors and it bugs me when you act like you are.
Also i dont want my kids to be part of the eu/un stabilisation force that is sent to try and end the coming civil/race war in america, you are about to break apart in the next decade and its gonna get ugly.
You is called edelweiss coxz you like flowers?
You need a $1300 printer to make the worlds most worthless and (very soon to be) illegal gun.
I can buy little Raven .25 popguns for $50 all day, they are absolute crap but still far better than that thing.
There are now and will always be pistols for sale here. I know, the gun for all people, nobody can control it. hurr hurr , , , But it still sucks.
Ummm, as far as I can see the legality of the gun is not in question.
I don't need to buy, or build a gun...
There will be plenty laying around on the ground when the SHTFF.....
You don't to download or print anything to make a zipgun. That is all that is.
America,
Fvk yeah!!!!
Free-est county on the planet!
You mean "free-ish", right?
welcome to the techno gulag archipelago
I thought they wanted us to only have one bullett at a time. So now what's the problem? Sheesh. Some folks you just can't please.
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The State Department and not the Justice Department? I find that more odd than anything ... I guess that's where all of the Marxists are freshly minted.
Maybe they thought Droopy Dog needed something to do besides being the international butt of jokes.
Nice to see all the up and down arrows from those interested in the 2nd amendment. Just an observation.
Freedom to kill tyrants is what it's all about beaches
You think a stern admonishment won't do the trick?
You could escalate to using UN letterhead...That's pretty fierce stuff.
Very large fines and jail time are possible for ITAR violations. This is very serious for him. I know this from personal experience in industry with dual-use items (which are items that have both commercial and military applications). Typically, first offenses are treated with some lieniency depending on the size of the company and whether the components are SME (significant military equipment) or not. Small to mid-size companies are usually required to "spend" the money that they are fined on export control training for staff, and agree to export compliance monitoring by an outside consultant, which is expensive. Larger companies get hit with mega-fines (re: the ITT night vision optics debacle). There is no hope for a second offense unless you have a really, really good legitimate mitigating factor to use as an excuse.
The language in the munitions list is very broad. I don't have direct experience with catagory 1, but it looks like a hunting rifle can be considered a munition, and SME. This seems unfair to me, but that's an issue for congress.
If the SEC had people as motivated as those in the OTC there would be lots of wall street types in jail right now for what they did. I found the people in the OTC to behave professionally, without political motivation. There are laws on the books that they are enforcing. I found them to want to stop the prohibitted export rather than being punative.
However, even with the professionals in OTC, I think this young man may have problems because of the political message he is trying to send. My guess is that he will have "the book" thrown at him, but because he has no assets he will have to sign a consent decree that will prohibit him from any involvement with the development of firearms in the future. I don't think OTC will press jail time because he would become a martyr.
Here are the applicable sections for the munitions list for interested readers:
§ 121.1 -- General. The United States munitions list.(a) The following articles, services and related technical data are designated as defense articles and defense services pursuant to sections 38 and 47(7) of the Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C. 2778 and 2794(7)). Changes in designations will be published in the Federal Register. Information and clarifications on whether specific items are defense articles and services under this subchapter may appear periodically in the Defense Trade News published by the Center for Defense Trade.
(b) Significant military equipment (SME): An asterisk precedes certain defense articles in the following list. The asterisk means that the article is deemed to be "significant military equipment" to the extent specified in § 120.19. The asterisk is placed as a convenience to help identify such articles.
Category I-Firearms*(a) Nonautomatic, semi-automatic and fully automatic firearms to caliber .50 inclusive, and all components and parts for such firearms. (See § 121.9 and §§ 123.16-123.19 of this subchapter.)
(b) Riflescopes manufactured to military specifications, and specifically designed or modified components therefor; firearm silencers and suppressors, including flash suppressors.
*(c) Insurgency-counterinsurgency type firearms or other weapons having a special military application (e.g. close assault weapons systems) regardless of caliber and all components and parts therefor.
(d) Technical data (as defined in § 120.21 of this subchapter) and defense services (as defined in § 120.8 of this subchapter) directly related to the defense articles enumerated in paragraphs (a) through (c) of this category. (See § 125.4 of this subchapter for exemptions.) Technical data directly related to the manufacture or production of any defense articles enumerated elsewhere in this category that are designated as Significant Military Equipment (SME) shall itself be designated SME.
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Not an issue. It's not hard to build a zip gun out of pipe. The issue is finding ammo. Buy the ammo now, worry about the details later.
This printed gun is cool and everything but it doesn't have to look exactly like a gun to be effective. I'm sure the feds hate that line of thinking also.
For now obtaining the ammo is the most important part.
Thank you Glenn Smith and state dept et al for engaging and thus providing an opportunity to show that the flat earth would be petty emporers have no cloths.
Now lets see how well your efforts to abrogate the first amendment and control all means of production go with a world full of engineering students, home enthusiasts and onlookers laughing at you.....suckerz......
Fuck the statist pricks. Come and take them, we dare you.
You can't take a gun into the FEMA camps. Not even to hunt squirrels.
For all the people missing the point.
It only takes one shot to remove a tyrant.
This isn't just about America and the 2nd ammendment, there are many other countries out there. Some of them have already disarmed their populace and some of them have committed genocide against their own people in the past. An estimated 250 million people were killed by their government in the last century.
The point of this is to demonstrate that applying laws to physical items isn't enough, and that digital files can be copied instantaneously. The cat is now well and truly out of the bag. World wide gun controls have now been demonstrated to be useless.
Whether this is practical or not is beside the point. The point is it can be easily printed and it can be fired at least once. As others have pointed out if you want practical, the British Sten gun was designed to be trivial to manufacture, or even easier, Luty designed a "BSP" (British Standard Pipe) submachine gun which can be made out of standard plumbing supplies.
And here's the thing. The weapons don't have to be great, they just have to be easy enough to manufacture that many can get hold of them. What ended the bronze age and began the iron age was not that iron weapons were better than bronze; they weren't. Bronze is stronger and harder than iron. The difference is iron is abundant and "good enough", while bronze (copper/tin) is not nearly as abundant. Almost everyone could have iron weapons, only the wealthy leaders could afford bronze. The economics of iron are what changed the world.
It is essentiually useless as a weapon. One would be better off armed with a spear gun. This has nothing to do with exporting critical technology. What about the hours and hours of footage on You Tube and elsewhere showing how to make far sexier and effective stuff?
This is a 100% political move by neo-fascist wannabees.
Who would have thought in 1776 that we would be yearning for the liberties and freedoms enjoyed under George III, of which there were substantially more than now.
You don't understand the purpose of this gun. Cody is way ahead of us folks. Read about the purpose of this gun:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FP-45_Liberator
Funny how the name is the same... coincidence?
Who takes orders from a lawless government?!
NO ONE -- FUCK EM!
If Uncle Sam followed his own rules perhaps people would listen. Sadly, no fucking way!
Not prosecuting fraud in the finance industry means the people can and will come for them with plastic weapons.
FUCK EM -- LOCK AND LOAD!
A new government low. Ignore the first and second ammendment in one fell swoop.
What a joke we are becoming with this clown at the helm. Great diversion from Bengazi but, we all think you and your adminstration allowed Americans to be killed to win a campaign!
I like these guns even if they are only good for like 10 shots. What is not to like about disposable firearms with no ballistic fingerprints when used for asymmetric purposes or banksta hunting.
Closing the stable door after the horse has bolted.
It does not matter how the gun was made. Now that everyone know that you can make a functioning hand gun from a a 3-D printer, anyone wilth enough determination, including terrorists, would be able to make one.
Remember May 2007? These idiots never learnt about the Streissand effect.
There's already an entry about this on the wikipedia "Streissand effect" page.
The tighter their grasp, the more that slips between their fingers.
Some people never learn.
More interesting from the original Forbes article on this was who was downloading the 3D blueprints.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/05/08/3d-printed-guns-blu...
"The most downloads of Defense Distributed’s “Liberator,” surprisingly, haven’t come from the U.S., but from Spain, according to Khalid’s count. The U.S. is second, ahead of Brazil, Germany, and the U.K., he says, although he wasn’t able to provide absolute download numbers for each country."
"Update: Although Spain was initially outpacing the U.S. in downloads, it seems more Americans have now downloaded the file."
Also one other correction on my orginal post.
Defense Distributed is not an arms manufacturer but a non-profit software distributor, Cody himself is a Federally registered arms manufacturer. The State Department is targeting Defense Distributed not Cody himself for manufacturing the 3D weapons and pieces. It is those little legal dinstinctions these assholes use to snuff out competition.
It's not about competition, it's about wiping your ass with the constitution and bill of rights and then stomping on anyone at a whim, all the while smirking and citing laws which you helped put in place, so that you could eviscerate those documents and stomp on those people.
State Department is over-reacting but everyone already can see it. Steve Israel is over-reacting with the undetectable firearms act since the firing pin on the 3D pistol still is made out of metal. There is no way unless the TSA is totally inept that you would get this past a luggage scan unassembled without it being detected. All they'd have to do is require people to check in the whole thing or a few components. And even if they did, does anyone think you'd also get the bullets past security also. Come on people, if you can then maybe that because the fucking TSA is useless and has absolutely nothing to do with 3D printed firearms.
Cody should have registered a business or had a third party register a business outside US jurisdiction and hosted the files there. Problem fucking solved. The internet is worldwide and as such should be navigated and used like the wild west. You can either cry about repression or do something about with whatever the environment is giving you to work with.
This whole episode may be waking folks up to just how easy it is to crank out a DIY firearm whether it be with a 3D printer or bits of metal purchased from Lowe's.
That's most likely what's got the goob's panties in such a wad.
Improvise, overcome, adapt. Eeeeeek!
FUCK YOU AMERICA, WE ARE IN CHARGE!
SINCERELY,
YOUR ELECTED POLITICIANS AND THEIR BUREAUCRATS
Ps. SEE, WE REALLY CAN BE LIKE EUROPE AND IF WE TRY HARDER, THE GOOD OLD SOVIET UNION! OR MAYBE, CHINA!
I don't own a 3D printer and I never intended to print one, but I'm downloading and seeding just because I was told not to.
Fuck them.
Fascist motherfuckers.
This is why a tyrannical and paranoid government does not want this gun in the hands of 1000s of citizens:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FP-45_Liberator
Notice how Mr. Wilson also named his gun the Liberator. Cody is way ahead of us folks. He knows that we need these guns distributed by the 1000s to the citizenry.
The U.S. government shows it's cards all the time. It attacks what it fears.
Wrong this is standard operating procedure for all big businesses when new competition comes along. This has nothing to do with the second amendment believe it or not. It is the 1st amendment actually. Having done more than 1 small business start up in my lifetime, I've seen this story play out before. The second you make some real traction the big boys use the law and legal system to squash competition. The real lesson here is regulation and law is not there to protect you but to protect the big boys from competition. This sort of model threatens that status quo.
I've been using this technology for 20 years, even operated a commercial sized system for 4. Printing anything for retail is currently not commercially or financially viable. Cody stated that the parts took a machine 24hrs to make. I wouldn't operate a business where each machine I owned was tied up for 24 hrs to produce one unit of what I'm selling. Some of the larger machines use a different technology to rapidly produce samples/prototypes (the industry refers to all this as rapid prototyping - this has evolved to the phrase 3D printing). the larger machines could produce many units at one run but the materials they use aren't the same and may not be durable enough to work as this gun does.
In my opinion, this is about the political and financial elite saying "fuck, you mean someone can walk around with a gun like this and put a 0.450" hole in my head?"