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IRS Admits, Apologizes For Targeting Conservatives During 2012 Election

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Update: you can't make this up

Just because you are a conservative and paranoid, doesn't mean the IRS is not after you. And, assuming the AP was not hacked again, this is precisely what happened. In a stunning disclosure, the supposedly impartial Internal Revenue Service has admitted and apologized for flagging and subjecting to extra reviews, conservative political groups - those that included the words "tea party" or "patriot" - during the 2012 election to see if they were violating their tax-exempt status. No such privilege was apparently afforded to groups identifying themselves as "liberal." 

From AP:

The Internal Revenue Service is apologizing for inappropriately flagging conservative political groups for additional reviews during the 2012 election to see if they were violating their tax-exempt status.


Lois Lerner, who heads the IRS unit that oversees tax-exempt groups, said organizations that included the words "tea party" or "patriot" in their applications for tax-exempt status were singled out for additional reviews.


Lerner said the practice, initiated by low-level workers in Cincinnati, was wrong and she apologized while speaking at a conference in Washington.


Many conservative groups complained during the election that they were being harassed by the IRS. They said the agency asked them an inordinate number of questions to justify their tax-exempt status.


Certain tax-exempt charitable groups can conduct political activities but it cannot be their primary activity.

It does make one wonder, just how far the IRS goes to make the lives of conservatives a living hell: will all 2012 tax audits be those who on their facebook profile admit to liking Ron Paul? And just how far does the IRS invade personal privacy to determine how any one tax filer is indeed, a "conservative?" But don't worry - aside from the obvious persecutions, America is a free country for one and all.

One wonders: how long until "conservatives" engage in "tax-avoiding" blowback and really give the IRS reason to persecute them. Alternatively, one wonders the IRS is simply limited by logistical considerations, due to the notional difference in number of actual tax filings submitted by "conservatives" vs "liberals" and the prepondrance of one group over the other...


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Fri, 05/10/2013 - 10:56 | 3548273 RacerX
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Fri, 05/10/2013 - 10:58 | 3548283 Almost Solvent
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Easy way to avoid audits - get an Obamaphone and a SNAP card

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 10:59 | 3548306 The Phu
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I'm going to legally change my name to "Tea Party Patriot Phu" just to ensure that I piss off the IRS each and every year.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:06 | 3548323 Pladizow
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Another reason to flee the plantation!

ZH audited in 3...2...1...

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:11 | 3548359 Cognitive Dissonance
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The IRS was deliberately set up to act as a blunt instrument of the (presently elected and/or self proclaimed) ruling class. Don't think for a moment that every administration in power for decades, either Demo or Repub, has not used the IRS and various other real and quasi governmental agencies to serve their own purposes.

There is only one purpose for power. That purpose is to use it....preferably against "your" enemies real and imagined.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:18 | 3548391 Doubleguns
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Simply more of an argument for "Fair Tax" to be passed and the elimination of the IRS.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:22 | 3548408 Joe Davola
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Or, your check goes directly to them and they then dole out what you "deserve".

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:36 | 3548421 Say What Again
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Cue the "Dead Giveaway" theme song

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 12:21 | 3548665 redpill
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Oh, they 'apologized' so everything is OK.  We need repeal the 16th amendment and abolish this group of thugs.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 13:07 | 3548801 SamAdams
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Mr Cog is correct.  The IRS is not part of your government, but a tool of the International Bankers and Masons.  You want proof, take a look at this:

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 13:22 | 3548835 wee-weed up
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Tricky Dick Nixon Admin Part Deux.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 13:32 | 3548889 somecallmetimmah
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Tricky Dick's got NOTHING on this guy.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 00:15 | 3552976 A Nanny Moose
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Hasn't SC[R]OTUS already ruled that the 16A granted no new powers of taxation to The CONgress?

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:30 | 3548426 Pegasus Muse
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I didn't know David Axelrod was demoted to a "low-level [IRS] worker in Cincinnati"...   Some downgrade, eh?

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:44 | 3548511 Joe Davola
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It's always some low level flack who does this stuff.

And the part about the flack looking for a big promotion as a reward is always left out of the story.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:51 | 3548531 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 1

Yes, plausible denial, the oldest trick in the IRS playbook.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:55 | 3548545 imapopulistnow
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“Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you”
? Joseph Heller, Catch-22

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:54 | 3548544 NoDebt
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They apologize?  Where I come from an apology comes with two other things attached to it:

1.  Saying you won't do it again (even if you know you will, which they will)

2.  Hand the people who were wrongly targeted their money back.  No, no, no- we could never do that, could we?


Fri, 05/10/2013 - 13:30 | 3548874 pods
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Might I add:

3. Suck on a Liberator.


Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:25 | 3548418 Stackers
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Simply more reason for repealing the 16th amendment which was never legally ratified in the first place.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 12:00 | 3548568 tarsubil
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That is the truly fair tax plan. Thought experiment: If you didn't have to pay income taxes in dollars, would you continue to use them?

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:33 | 3548461 goBackToSleep
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I guess that's why I would like a percentage of my 401k in the precious. A little birdy told me that they can't tax what they are unable to track. Of course, there will never be an underground economy arise from political policy.......... Who would have thunk it?

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:34 | 3548462 goBackToSleep
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I guess that's why I would like a percentage of my 401k in the precious. A little birdy told me that they can't tax what they are unable to track. Of course, there will never be an underground economy arise from political policy.......... Who would have thunk it?

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 12:15 | 3548641 kchrisc
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If the gov is criminal and treasonous and "tax" is synonymous with theft then please define "fair tax" for me.

Seems that it would be a creature that is associated with unicorns?!            hujel

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 12:39 | 3548738 The_Dude
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Why just an apology?  Where is the announcement of heads rolling?

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 13:03 | 3548793 Cognitive Dissonance
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It was just a few low level "rogue" examiners. Plausible deniability bitches.

"Lerner said the practice, initiated by low-level workers in Cincinnati, was wrong and she apologized while speaking at a conference in Washington."

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 13:47 | 3548976 shovelhead
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It's always "That friggin guy in the mailroom went rogue."

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 11:26 | 3553538 DachsieLady
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Right on.

The IRS and every single one of the state tax agencies operates in the same manner.  None of them fairly enforce the law.  And the handing out of exemptions, even at the city and county level, as well as, of course, the state and federal level is just one big under-the-table exchange and joke.

If you point out a major avoidance of state tax in my state, you cannot get the attention of any agency head, any state legislator, or any city council member.  They only enforce the law on a matter when they get something in return.  Otherwise, they could care less about the lawful and fair enforcement of tax laws, or any laws for that matter.

I think it is kind of funny that everybody is making a big story of this IRS disclosure of their wrongdoing.  Doesn't everyone know that the disclosure was a politically calculated disclosure for who knows what political manipulation du jour?  This is no slip-up or goof on any IRS person's part.  This is more corrupt conduct by the IRS and their commissioner and other employees.

Maybe the powers that be want to deposit some political chits in the GOP purse for next time around joke presidential elections.

Sometimes the corruption reaches such a level that almost every story of this kind is just a curious joke.


Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:45 | 3548517 GraveyardSpiral
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You should hypenate the word -Al Something or -Mohammed in there somewhere too!

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:17 | 3548387 1100-TACTICAL-12
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Same goes for your childrens vaccination waver, just write in you're muslim & you wont hear a fucking peep from anyone...

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:39 | 3548487 XitSam
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If it is a federal form, it would be a crime to make a knowingly false statement.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 12:16 | 3548647 NidStyles
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It's not false if you tell them it's true.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 12:28 | 3548706 LFMayor
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Well, whatever you do, just don't break any rules.
The very thought makes me all flushed and fluttery, fetch the smelling salts!

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 13:06 | 3548798 Race Car Driver
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I junked ya for being that kind of a jerk-off.



Fri, 05/10/2013 - 14:31 | 3549177 Chaos_Theory
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Johny Corzine called and laughed for an hour.  Suck it Trebek!

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 16:15 | 3549505 Socratic Dog
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Is that true?  Got a link?  Sounds like an ace strategy to me.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:06 | 3548335 takeaction
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I am one of those Ron Paul supporters that got hammered.  $52,000 in back taxes...$28,000 in penalties and fines.  Nothing you can do either.  They took my business and said it was a "Hobby" and nulified all deductions for years.  Of course I proved to them that I had a business.  They even came to my house to see all of the equipment.  THey said "Nope".  And my attorneys said it would cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to fight them, and we would probably lose...  This is real.  

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:12 | 3548365 Cognitive Dissonance
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"Pay me now, pay me later, pay me always." - IRS drinking song

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 12:39 | 3548740 MachoMan
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Responding to the thread starter, do you do your own taxes?  If not, I'd say you need to have a little chat with your accountant...  sounds like you got nailed on a simple hobby loss issue.  And, not to take the wind from your sails, but this is something the IRS is really cracking down on, universally.  You'll have to show income every few years to avoid this...  you eat a small tax bill every so often (leaving deductions on the table) to ensure you don't get an anus fisting by the tax man.

Aside from the fact that...  you've got a built in loser/hobby and, if you're normal, then you're probably keeping it around solely for its ability to "lose" you money.  If you play with fire...

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:13 | 3548366 McMolotov
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That absolutely sucks. Going after the political opposition reeks not just of corruption, but also of desperation. The ship seems to be sinking fast — might be time to leave while we still can.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:21 | 3548406 Temporalist
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Where are you going?  I will go.  I hear Newt Gingrich has a moon base.  Seems the only logical place to go.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:29 | 3548440 McMolotov
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Growing up, I never thought I'd want to leave this country. I honestly don't know where to go, but stories like this make me want to live somewhere else.

I'm open to suggestions, but I fear a moon base may be the only option for avoiding all this creeping fascism.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:30 | 3548446 overmedicatedun...
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got into a verbal scuffle with Ted kennedy staff years ago and was audited the next 5 years, love you liberals

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:40 | 3548491 TeamDepends
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Freedom isn't free!!!!  Mc, we need you here to help in the fight to restore the Rule of Law, the foundation of our Republic.  Besides, there's nowhere to go....

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:58 | 3548558 McMolotov
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At some point, though, you have to start wondering if there's anything left that's worth saving. I don't have anything in common with most of the people around me except a few friends and some family, and a lot of people on here are probably in the same position. I'm beginning to think this country is like a terminal cancer patient, and no amount of fighting the disease can save it.

On the plus side, if enough people think like me, it's bullish for alcohol sales.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 12:17 | 3548652 Blano
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Right there with ya.  Few friends, nothing in common with anyone, have a hard time wanting to serve a community that mostly opposes what I believe.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 13:43 | 3548946 Vagabond
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Have you guys considered joining like-minded people?  The free state project seems like a good option.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 14:00 | 3549037 Race Car Driver
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Fri, 05/10/2013 - 12:24 | 3548687 Mike7.62
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As bad as things might be getting, this is the ONLY place on the planet where the citizens still have the tools to change it should things get desperate enough. When people have nothing left to lose, they will then take action. Removing yourself to another locale to "save" yourself and your wealth only places you in a position where you're an outsider perceived to have wealth, and no means to defend yourself. Should the locals or the local authorities decide to take action against you, you will be at a grave disadvantage. Look to the British expats in Spain for an example.


Leviathan is worldwide, and I personally prefer to stay in a place where I'm at least a native familiar with the culture and have friends/relatives for support, speak the language, and still have the means to attempt to change things. People like Doug Casey and Simon Black are always touting removing to another locale, but always leave out the downside. Hoping for the charity of strangers and the forbearance of reptiles I suppose.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 12:30 | 3548710 LFMayor
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Yes, This!

Fight where you stand.  Instead of running, save your breath for the Shit Fling Olympics.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 12:41 | 3548745 Meat Hammer
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I couldn't agree more.  When the SHTF, McM, the best thing you can do is be a pillar of strength for the people you truly cherish. The Phoenix will rise from ashes and America will be a great country again.  We're in the dependency stage of the cycle, which comes after apathy.  The next is revolution.  It will be simultaneously awful and beautiful.  There will be a reset where the EBT/SNAP brigade, corporate welfare recipients, and the material-possession driven, totally unprepared middle class will be wiped out while people like us eat fresh veggies from our garden, drink clean water, hold real money, and defend our castles with the 2nd Amendment.  You will light the way in your community with your wisdom and insight.  

The facist corporate/government/bankster regime will eat itself.  Just hold tight.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 13:24 | 3548840 Going Loco
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There will be a reset where the middle class will be wiped out and people like us rot in camps.

That's more like it. 

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 13:48 | 3548977 JimBowie1958
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Wont happen. There are too many resistors and many of them are in the various levels of government to make sure it wont happen.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 14:14 | 3549109 KnightTakesKing
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Well said my friend. I wish there were more people like you in my neighborhood. The future is local.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 13:39 | 3548920 Svendblaaskaeg
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"Growing up, I never thought I'd want to leave this country. I honestly don't know where to go..."

 Denmark is ok if you are a prime minister, if not - not so do you like them beans..

 "..The model and her husband were first sentenced to one year and nine months in prison and a million fine for tax evasion. 

Subsequently, however, they both acquittal in the High Court because the Prime Minister Helle Thorning-Schmidt (S) husband, Stephen Kinnock, tax litigation at the time had been published.

The two cases are very similar, and with the publication of Kinnock case, it was clear that Camilla Vest could not be punished for the same offense

(link in Danish):å-skats-metoder.html


Fri, 05/10/2013 - 13:56 | 3549018 shovelhead
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Fuck these assholes. I want my America back.

It may not have been perfect but it was a damn sight better that what these criminals have turned it into over the last 50 years.

I ain't going nowhere.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 14:46 | 3549243 FeralSerf
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Chief Sitting Bull probably said something similar. He lost in the end too. He was grossly outnumbered and out-gunned.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 15:11 | 3549325 TeamDepends
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If he stood and fought and died for what he believed in he did not lose.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 16:47 | 3549605 FeralSerf
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The "losers" that steal everything we value are not the ones that die. They're happy to be the live rich "losers" instead of the dead "winners".

Sitting Bull was killed by Indian agency police on the Standing Rock Indian Reservation during an attempt to arrest him at a time when authorities feared that he would join the Ghost Dance movement.

The "Losers" or their descendants, the white European immigrant land speculators, ranchers and miners, are alive and well. Sitting Bull's descendants did not fare so well.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:32 | 3548452 autofixer
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Someone is selling one-way tickets to Mars.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 13:15 | 3548812 Kirk2NCC1701
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Temporalist, "where to go", you ask?  Well, how about...

Hurry, time to apply is running out.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 13:42 | 3548943 BidnessMan
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Callista already has a space helmet. Spends hours every day putting it on.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:24 | 3548414 Joe Davola
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Shades of '72 - Nixon didn't need to bug Watergate.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:29 | 3548429 Cognitive Dissonance
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Do not underestimate how far and for how long the US Banana Republic can fall.

We have not yet begun to seriously crumble and we have many miles of corruption, currency wars and false flag attacks to go before the tyranny sleeps.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 12:06 | 3548587 lakecity55
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Yep. A lot of folks do not understand the martial law declaration in Bawston ("shelter in place") was only a Rehearsal of Things To Come.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 14:00 | 3549042 DosZap
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Yep. A lot of folks do not understand the martial law declaration in Bawston ("shelter in place") was only a Rehearsal of Things To Come


Yep, but you are from Texas(I think), and so am I, and we are NOT Bostonites, and that shit will not fly here, without a major issues, and consequences.Nor will it in Okla, and many other areas.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 16:27 | 3549539 Socratic Dog
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Yeah, you showed us all how different you are at Waco.  Stood by while women and children were deliberately incinerated.  You don't have any more to be proud of than Boston has.

One thing I've been thinking lately, the only example of community resistance to the leviathan in my time in the US has been the LA riots.  Those welfare-dependent assholes said "fuck that" when those guilty-as-fuck cops were exonerated, and it was on.  How many here have stood up like that?  Worth thinking about....welfare mums setting the example. 

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 13:02 | 3548791 Boondocker
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Sadly it will take a long time.  Brace yourselves for years of a downward spiral.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 13:50 | 3548993 JimBowie1958
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Just because there is a long way to go doesnt mean that it will take a long time to get there.

Exponential acceleration of change is a mighty thing to behold.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:35 | 3548468 duo
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Ask all those conservative Chrysler dealers in the mid-south that lost their franchises while the Obama supporters got to keep theirs.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:36 | 3548474 JOYFUL
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Yes sucks absolutely...

but - there's a certain point where you have to simply tear away the confusion and realize... there's no more fences pon which to sit. Three quarters(possibly more now!) of Merika's "foreign aid" budget goes directly to tel aviv. At a time when nobody can figure out how to keep air traffic control in working status...

the money which you slave to earn and then expect to keep(well, part of) is no longer yours... when you work to support the existence of an inhuman regime which repos your tax $ to

an even more inhuman one. So glad I did my time in the small biz trenches back in the 80\s 90\s\pre9-11... when we could still pretend to innocence and ignorance.

You pay taxes to the dual citiiZens running get what you deserve. Rise now...or die pon your knees.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:38 | 3548476 Everybodys All ...
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I was audited this year. It was not my mistake and the IRS has not responded one way or the other since. But I felt like I could have been a target before I read this article I must admit.

Same thing happened to a co-worker who just so happened didn't vote for the regime either.

Btw didn't the IRS just come out and say they can read your emails if I'm not mistaken?

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 12:02 | 3548569 lakecity55
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Yes. It is an easy way to find those who do not support the Supreme Soviet, take all of their wealth and eventually place them on a death list or FEMA train to the new Amerikan Gulag Archipelago.

And no, I am not joking.

Communists, like the ones in our Supreme Soviet, believe in violent revolution. This current bunch is smart enough to loot us all first before they kill us.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 12:20 | 3548670 Weisshaupt
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Leftist Regimes always mass murder their reclacitrant subjects.  ALWAYS. 

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 12:30 | 3548712 longwind
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Rightest regimes just starve them. Cheaper.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 13:54 | 3549012 JimBowie1958
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I doubt you would know what a 'rightest regime' was even if it bit you in the ass, dumbfuck.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 14:50 | 3549255 FeralSerf
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Not only can they (and do) read your emails, they also read blogs such as this for more ideas concerning who to fuck with. Welcome to 21st century fascism.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 12:09 | 3548606 tarsubil
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I guess the answer is to just be poor (in dollars at least). They can take my bank account since there is basically nothing in it.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 12:18 | 3548662 kchrisc
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I would hope that you at least took names and made your Dorner list for when things go SHTF. You know what I mean?!                 hujel

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 13:34 | 3548897 Jim in MN
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I have a $10,000+ nastygram from them on my desk at home right now.  They waited a WHOLE YEAR and then socked it to me.  I have good references for my treatment of the amounts in question too. 

But, you know, you can't milk a cat. On the other hand this here cow is thinking of hanging it up and moving to the Lake Superior shore to eke out a living on an orchard or something.  Then there's that offer to start a farm in Ecuador....

And...Up Yours Banksters and their soulless servants.  And no, I don't blame the IRS line workers.  You know this kind of policy goes way up.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 15:15 | 3551879 kchrisc
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That's the cool thing about living off theft, when you need more you just go and take more.

Just those of a bankrupt government creating more opportunities for more theft--"You owe, prove you don't."

Related sidenote: There are documents from the Nazis where some crat in Berlin would request more "efforts" from the crats below him to fund the gov and its war. Then more memos from those crats would follow to request more roundups by other crats in the occupied lands. Those outlying crats would then roundup more "undesirables" which were "worth" so much per head to the gov and its war. You can actually read the paper trail and see the "tallies."   hujel

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 13:56 | 3549024 Race Car Driver
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> I am one of those Ron Paul supporters ...


To borrow from the pop-culture slop jar:

"Blind faith in your leaders, or in anything, will get you killed. [or at least audited]" - Bruce Springsteen

I junked ya for still believing.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 12:18 | 3548659 Chuck Walla
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Central planning totalitarian power is worthless without enemies.  YES WE CAN! Audit the shit out of you.


Fri, 05/10/2013 - 12:52 | 3548768 Lord Koos
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Makes sense -- "liberals" complain less about taxes than conservatarians do.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 13:36 | 3548905 BidnessMan
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Liberals like to say taxes are the price of a civilized society. Of course half of all Americans pay NO income tax.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 13:56 | 3549017 JimBowie1958
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And 90% of them voted for a Dimocrap.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 14:18 | 3549125 JimBowie1958
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And 90% of them voted for a Dimocrap.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 10:56 | 3548274 kliguy38
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apologizes??? hehehehhee

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:23 | 3548328 TeamDepends
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They are so sorry that absolutely nothing will happen and they will continue their business-as-usual Caponeing of America.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 10:57 | 3548275 Hippocratic Oaf
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WE pay our taxes.

Of course they're coming after us. We're all they got.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 10:58 | 3548292 LawsofPhysics
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"They" will be going after anyone with wealth, period.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:21 | 3548384 McMolotov
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"They" will eventually get themselves shot in the head if they keep this up.*

It's either that, or those of us who support the system will find ways to stop contributing to our own slavery. We can leave the country or simply disappear amongst the rest of the herd who don't draw the State's attention. It is, after all, solely about money. They want it badly, but there are ways to make what they want go away altogether or become invisible.


*Hi, NSA stooges!

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:26 | 3548428 LawsofPhysics
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Another optimist.  The average Joe in america is a fucking lazy moron.  Money is really irrelevant, this is about power and control of resources, including the human kind.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 12:37 | 3548731 LFMayor
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Also true:  fuck with the wrong ones enough and that Joe in America will turn your cities into ashtrays.  Those Joes in America will build a REAL war machine and feed it and use it to grind some asses into dust.  Those Joes in America will tie on a mean drunk and do such wild, sick shit that they'll have to dedicate another fucking cable channel to tell all about it 60 years from now.

Germany and Japan made that same fucking mistake.  Once. 

Now tell me history doesn't at least rhyme.  There is no end game in a circular track.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:40 | 3548492 Agent P
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"They" have bigger guns and lots of ammo..."they" also have more guys behind them with even bigger guns and even more ammo.  I hate "they".

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 13:48 | 3548870 Kirk2NCC1701
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If you truly care about your privacy or are planning for when TSHTF (The Stuff Hits The Fan) and need to be Off The Grid, you do yourself a disservice if you haven't read books by JJ Luna.  Many, myself included, consider him a Grandmaster of Privacy, who's been living it for decades.  Go to Amazon or his site.

I swear by some of the stuff he advises, as it has proven itself time and again.  All legal and legit, of course, but 'unorthodox' perhaps.  Just downloaded Flat Broke and Off The Grid for my Kindle browser. You can get a free Kindle viewer for phone, table or PC -- in case you didn't know.

BTW, I have no affiliation with or benefit/compensation from JJ.  I just like and trust the man, and love his priceless books.  One of the reasons I like and have learned to trust Jack, is that he actually responds to his emails.  In 24 hrs.  Simon Black, I wish one could say the same about you.  Unless it's an account issue -- in which case you hear from his admin -- you will not hear back from Simon.  Not bloody likely, as he's focused on his newsletters and marketing his 'brand', and does not want to get "bogged down" in the weeds.  Jack has no such grandiose branding and market ambitions, and has 'cred' with me.  Good luck, hope it works out for you.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 14:10 | 3549090 McMolotov
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Thanks for the recommendations. I just started taking a look at a few of that guy's books. Interesting stuff.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 12:46 | 3548757 Long_Xau
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Not exactly. The government also has the FED. The FED has billions of junkies around the world who don't seem to be able to live without the Federal Reserve Note. They are all paying the inflation tax. In other words, the FED extracts seigniorage gains from everyone exposed to the US dollar. Currently, most of that gain funds the US government (monetization of debt, overt manipulation of interest rates, transferring of FED "profits" to the Treas[on] Department) and a very significant part of all the funding of the US government is coming from the FED (it can easily become the dominant way of funding, see Japan).

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 10:57 | 3548276 mikla
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Government anymore is merely organized crime.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:01 | 3548309 dontgoforit
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I believe 'dis-organized' crime fits better.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 12:09 | 3548609 NotApplicable
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No, that's the facade of plausible deniability held in place by the self-propelled tools who still believe themselves to be "public servants." (those "useful idiots")

As I always say, government is the MOST organized form of crime, just with cheaper suits.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:09 | 3548354 Kirk2NCC1701
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Organized crime is what happens on Wall St.
Dis-organized crime is what happens in DC and State capitals.
Not keeping these people in a lifestyle to which they've become accustomed, is a 'crime'. According to the IRS.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 12:59 | 3548789 Long_Xau
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It is organized in the sense that there is a power structure. A hierarchy.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:24 | 3548415 azzhatter
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and having a Facebook profile just helps them in their harrassment

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:25 | 3548417 McMolotov
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The mafia lives by a fairly rigid code. The government has no such code other than "we want MOAR." I have far more respect for a mobster than I do for a government bureaucrat.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:33 | 3548459 HelluvaEngineer
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Mobsters are generally above pointing a gun at you and taking your wallet.  The government...not so much.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 15:33 | 3549388 Long_Xau
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I agree, but I think this point should be clarified a bit. Most mafia organizations we know from popular culture and history claim they have a moral code, although in reality they tend to be the worst offenders of their own code. Governments, on the other hand, don't even pretend to have any morals or integrity. And even when they do pretend, it is not credible and does not last for long. So it does not do any good to even try, because it would in in itself constitute dishonesty. The reason is that governments compromise crucial, fundamental freedoms, rights, moral principles right from the outset: to start with, freedom of choice of whether to participate as a citizen and a property owner. Every person has the natural right to not agree to be a citizen or to secede, along with the property he owns, but governments of course don't respect anything like that.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 18:32 | 3549960 New World Chaos
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Thanks for pointing out natural rights. 

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:25 | 3548425 madcows
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money laundering (FED), check.

prostitution (Sell your soul vor a vote), check.

murder (Bengahzi), check.

gun running (Fast and Furious), check.

human smuggling (Illegals), Check.

intimidation/coersion (Obamacare), check.

Theft (Taxes), check.

Yep, I'd say organized crime is pretty accurate.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:34 | 3548460 McMolotov
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You left off droning wedding parties, but that's because it's something only the government does.

The mob is much more efficient when it comes to targeted killings and actually seeks to avoid collateral damage. The government simply doesn't give a shit and kills at will.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 12:05 | 3548588 Vince Clortho
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Been that way for awhile.

J E Hoover, the Directress of the FBI and Chief Law Enforcement Agency of the US, was denying the very existence of the Mob during the 50's and 60's.  This freed up lots of time to focus on sex scandals and invading the privacy of Rock bands.

He did such a knockout job of ignoring Organized Crime that LBJ waived the mandatory retirement age restriction and made Hoover "Director for Life".  That was a prelude to the Nixon Presidency where the Mob basically moved into the White House.

It's pretty much what the Founding Fathers meant to add to the Constitution but failed due to time constraints.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 12:20 | 3548668 kchrisc
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Always have been.              hujel

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 13:42 | 3548938 DosZap
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Sad shit, this will INCREASE the level of domestic acts against them.Hang on to your ass.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 10:57 | 3548277 Dangertime
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This is bad, yet we should grow the Government more, right?  Right?

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 12:28 | 3548709 Weisshaupt
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Yep, because giving politcans more power  to "regulate" corportations  will reduce their opportunity for being lobbied and bribed into corrupt dealings with those same corporations!

Hey I know, lets pass some regulation that only the large companies that bribe us could afford to pay the compliance costs of- that way they will be rid of those smaller competitiors!

Who is in charge of overseing this again? Wait. Didn't he used to work here? 

Yes, and after he hass helped us there , he will  work for us again, at an even bigger salary than before. 

Moar Govt! That will reduce the Corruption! 



Fri, 05/10/2013 - 10:57 | 3548279 Sudden Debt
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you are not being watched... just being... "parented"

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 12:23 | 3548690 kchrisc
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Not "parented," "herded." Parenting implies caring and nurturing for the benefit of the parented. Herding is controlling the animal for the benefit of the farmer/rancher.

Or put another way, they ultimately"parent" us into camps and then to death.            hujel

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 10:57 | 3548281 rehypothecator
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Yet another reason, if any more reasons were needed, to abolish the IRS and institute a flat tax.  (If indeed taxes are needed.  Is government needed?) 

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:44 | 3548439 Doubleguns
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Flat tax does not eliminate the IRS, the Fair Tax does. 


See ""

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:52 | 3548533 Ghordius
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any tax code that can be thought in 15 minutes to schoolchildren is good, and fairness be damned

which reminds me of one of one my favourite rants: the Roman Plebs fought to have written, public (i.e. not secret) laws

one day we'll have to fight to have less of them, so that we all might again know the law

oh, and of course lawmakers should be able to recite the law by heart/memory, instead of not knowing what they voted on

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 14:24 | 3549149 FreeMktFisherMN
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No taxes.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:03 | 3548282 LawsofPhysics
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So, I wonder if you will be allowed to claim a loss when your money is stolen via the coming bank re-hypothication (a.k.a. "cyprused")?

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:30 | 3548443 BooMushroom
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Heh. How about claiming a loss on the negative real interest rate on your cash savings accounts?

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 13:54 | 3549008 Kirk2NCC1701
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If your mamby-pamby CPA is worth anything, they will give it a shot. But they won't.  Because it tarnishes their rating at the IRS.  They're in the business of making money for themselves, by taking the path of least resistance between you and the IRS.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 10:57 | 3548286 Lost Wages
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Pay ur taxes bitchez.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 10:57 | 3548287 jointhewave
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Latest on Benghazi Cover Up...

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 10:58 | 3548288 Village Smithy
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Even the most liberal minded citizens of this country should be very angry right now. How much further do we need to fall?

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:32 | 3548451 BooMushroom
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They ought to be. You'll forgive me if I don't hold my breath.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 12:33 | 3548723 Weisshaupt
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Angry? Whats to be Angry at? My EBT is still getting charged, and people who disagree with me DESERVE to persecuted. Obama told me to vote for revenge on those who would expect me to be personally responsible and manage my own affairs and life without leeching off of others, and that is just what I did.  Our team can do no wrong. 

If it weren't for the double standards, American liberals would have no standards at all.  The only thing they care about is power, and they will lie, steal, rape and kill to get it - because that is what entitlement minded marxist  ALWAYS do, in every country, proportional to their power. 

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 12:38 | 3548735 Weisshaupt
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Angry? Whats to be Angry at? My EBT is still getting charged, and people who disagree with me DESERVE to persecuted. Obama told me to vote for revenge on those who would expect me to be personally responsible and manage my own affairs and life without leeching off of others, and that is just what I did.  Our team can do no wrong. 

If it weren't for the double standards, American liberals would have no standards at all.  The only thing they care about is power, and they will lie, steal, rape and kill to get it - because that is what entitlement minded marxist  ALWAYS do, in every country, proportional to their power. 

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 10:58 | 3548291 HulkHogan
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I'm an Independent, and we don't have to pay taxes.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 10:58 | 3548293 Bay of Pigs
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The IRS is nothing but a bunch of jack booted thugs these days.

It needs to be abolished.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:01 | 3548312 nobodyimportant
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Financial terrorists!

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:08 | 3548351 tmosley
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"these days"?

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:13 | 3548369 Bay of Pigs
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Well, I was going to add the word "Nazi" too but didn't want to offend anyone here.


Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:31 | 3548449 drink or die
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Nazis everywhere would be offended by comparing them to the IRS.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:15 | 3548377 yogibear
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The IRS is  a way to divert money to the Federal Reserve banksters.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 10:58 | 3548295 Peter Pan
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Of course the IRS apologised. Not for the sake of apologising but for the purpose of making it known as to what can happen to you if you are in the wrong group. If that doesn't scare off a few people I would be most surprised.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:00 | 3548305 dontgoforit
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push a rat into a corner and the MF'er will bite the shiet out of you

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:48 | 3548522 Kobe Beef
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His name is Joseph Stack.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 10:58 | 3548296 Sudden Debt
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every time you go voting for whatever political party you can imagine... democracy dies...

I don't think the democratic system was designed that way...

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:03 | 3548317 Rainman
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As a card-carrying partisan atheist, I approve this message.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 12:01 | 3548570 Ghordius
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could not disagree more. do you know the difference between isocracy, indirect, i.e. representative democracy and direct democracy?

have a look at the Swiss model, which is based on the third one

meanwhile you can have too much of a good thing, for example your country has too many parliaments, imho

but yes, +1 for one important thing you are pointing to: every political system is designed. and so it's important to understand it's design even if you actually plan to go against it. Adolf Hitler said something in this direction, btw

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 10:59 | 3548297 dontgoforit
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So you're saying rich 'conservatives' cheat more than rich 'liberals'?  Hmmmm.  obummer, dude

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 10:59 | 3548298 The Thunder Child
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Help END THE FED and the IRS

There's a member of our community that needs a bit of help to get his project completed and I am trying to help him get to the finish line. I think you all know Bill Still from The Money Masters and The secret of Oz. His latest project 'Jekyll Island - the documentary' is nearly finished and he needs only 3.5k to wrap it up. I would ask that anyone that wants to see this work completed and spread to the largest possible audience to make a small contribution to the kickstarter campaign that he has posted. His deadline is this Sunday night and it would be great to have some contributions flow in from fight club, even greater if we could help him achieve his goal.

Even if you can spare $5 - $20 that is a huge donation and would help Mr. Still get to complete his masterpiece. If you can spare more then $24 FANTASTIC he will give you some decent swag for your contribution. T-shirts, signed DVDs, posters etc.. I am going to post this a few more times in the coming days so please don't consider it spam or solicitation it is for a fantastic cause and this documentary is going to be absolutely stellar!

The funding requirement is now only down to $3,500 with your help we can hit the target!

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:51 | 3548532 The Thunder Child
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WOW $1000 donation just recieved!!!

Only $2,300 left, a major major thank you ZHers!!

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 11:53 | 3548539 lakecity55
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He better set up a cash contribution system. Otherwise, we will be on yet another list.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 12:03 | 3548580 The Thunder Child
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Fri, 05/10/2013 - 12:40 | 3548743 lakecity55
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I went to his website and offered to send CASH Fiats.

Hopefully he will respond.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 13:52 | 3548940 The Thunder Child
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Cool, I think he is out today but should respond this eve, he's a really nice guy quite humble and always responds. The only problem as I said is if the 10k is not met on the Kickstarter page by 11:59 Sunday eve he gets nothing and nobody is charged. I guess if he could recieve the cash by sunday he could donate from his own credit card but that is not my call. I am just volunteering my marketing help so nothing goes to me nor am I involved with the kickstarter page other then pointing people to it via guerilla marketing on ZH and other sites/blogs/forums. I really want to see this documentary completed so I emailed some big wigs in the industry who are against the Federal Reserve last night, I hope they drop some larger donations.

Edit: only $1800 to go!!!!


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