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Guess What’s Hidden In The Immigration Bill? A National Biometric Database For Citizens

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Submitted by Michael Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

Oh just another eight hundred page “bipartisan” bill that nobody will read,  mainstream media will refuse to cover, and that will merely further destroy any remnants of freedom left in these United States.  Never forget the George Carlin quote on bipartisanship:

“Bipartisan usually means that a larger-than-usual deception is being carried out.”

From Wired:

The immigration reform measure the Senate began debating yesterday would create a national biometric database of virtually every adult in the U.S., in what privacy groups fear could be the first step to a ubiquitous national identification system.


Buried in the more than 800 pages of the bipartisan legislation (.pdf)  is language mandating the creation of the innocuously-named “photo tool,” a massive federal database administered by the Department of Homeland Security and containing names, ages, Social Security numbers and photographs of everyone in the country with a driver’s license or other state-issued photo ID.


This piece of the Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act is aimed at curbing employment of undocumented immigrants. But privacy advocates fear the inevitable mission creep, ending with the proof of self being required at polling places, to rent a house, buy a gun, open a bank account, acquire credit, board a plane or even attend a sporting event or log on the internet. Think of it as a government version of Foursquare, with Big Brother cataloging every check-in.


“It starts to change the relationship between the citizen and state, you do have to get permission to do things,” said Chris Calabrese, a congressional lobbyist with the American Civil Liberties Union. “More fundamentally, it could be the start of keeping a record of all things.”


David Bier, an analyst with the Competitive Enterprise Institute, agrees with the ACLU’s fears.


“The most worrying aspect is that this creates a principle of permission basically to do certain activities and it can be used to restrict activities,” he said. “It’s like a national ID system without the card.”

Good thing the terrorists aren’t winning or anything.

Full article here.


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Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:13 | 3552501 TuesdayBen
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Who works for whom? can kiss my ass

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:25 | 3552540 john39
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if you see something, say something...    pretty sure i see something here...  

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:50 | 3552627 ghandi
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You see my bald, hungry nutz, Bitch!

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 22:08 | 3552671 Big Slick
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Revelation 13:16-17

It forced all the people, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to be given a stamped image on their right hands or their foreheads 

so that no one could buy or sell except one who had the stamped image of the beast’s name or the number that stood for its name.


Sat, 05/11/2013 - 22:11 | 3552686 Zer0head
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If you are going to have a Domestic Drone program

like I guess you need to have everybody's biometric data ... duhhh

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 22:25 | 3552727 Spigot
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I'm starting to believe there may be some utility for these small, RC quad and hex 'copter thingies, ya know? Jus' sayin'.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 23:13 | 3552854 Scarlett
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time to leave

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 23:16 | 3552865 noless
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Sadly my sense of duty won't let me.

Looking to be a suicidal personality trait soon enough though i guess.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 23:52 | 3552936 DoChenRollingBearing
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Last couple of times I came back into the country from overseas, they (Immigration) took my electronic fingerprint.  Game on.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 09:28 | 3553342 Tijuana Donkey Show
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Are you a US citizen? If not, they have been doing that for awhile.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:42 | 3553459 Uncle Remus
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DoChen probably just looks maybe being a Simon Black (hey Tylers, it's a surname) acolyte or some such.


(I'm kidding DoChen)

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:50 | 3553475 jbvtme
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immigrants=soldiers to fight amerisrael's wars

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:17 | 3553402 aint no fortuna...
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And what better place to store all this data than at the NSA's brand new data center in the Utah foothills that has more storage capacity than any other data center on earth by an order of magnitude that is in itself almost unimaginable. "Wired" magazine online has a great article on the center - they're inventing new words to describe the amount of data they'll be able to warehouse.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 13:41 | 3553789 Tom Terrific
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The handwriting is already on the wall.  They (the despots and fascists in government, which is all of them) will be relentless as they're being with SOPA-like bills and if it doesn't pass this time they will sneak it through another way.  We are in for something much, much, much worse than Orwell or Huxley could have ever imagined.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 17:52 | 3554248 TeamDepends
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It depends whether your glass is half-empty or half-full, Tom.  If they pull the plug on the internet now they will prove to everyone how desperate they are.  The expected result from Sandy Hook was for Americans to beg DHS to take away the scary scary guns.  It didn't happen!  Benghazi may well prove to be the speed-bump that sends Barry's low-rider into the ditch.  The great unknown variable is the percentage of the military that will mutiny when it starts to get real.  Trust us, behind closed doors TPTB are shitting bricks and unfortunately for them they aint gold.  Molon Labe!

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 12:26 | 3556475 I did it by Occident
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Not so sure.  When they get this internet version 6 (enables 3.4×1038 ip addresses vs. only 4.3B addresses allocated with version 4) going and internet of things gets into full swing, the amount of data will be massive, maybe even too massive to manage even for the NSA.  Although it may prove a double-edged sword as alls sorts of interesting things will be enabled with IPv6 and IoT.  And not just for the surveillers.  But for the hackers and anybody else playing in that nascent field.  It will definitely be interesting though.  Some of the things i've read about it seem downright magical now but will be commonplace in the future.  Just like the internet now is commonplace, but the things it does were unimagineable not even 20 years ago. 

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 00:51 | 3553012 El Oregonian
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Remember noless, we out-number those chicken-necked bastards 311 Million to 575,000+/-

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 02:59 | 3553126 gorillaonyourback
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Yes but when wil the 300 million say enough is enough

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 07:56 | 3553248 GubbermintWorker
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Not until the currrent season of 'Dancing With The Stars' is over?

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 09:02 | 3553306 zhandax
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Not until teevee is over.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 09:23 | 3553331 DaveyJones
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My new mother

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 22:54 | 3555031 DriveByLurker
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Fight Club Programming note: "The Revolution will not be televised.  The Revolution will be live."



Sun, 05/12/2013 - 11:40 | 3553563 de3de8
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Not until they take their freebies away.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 14:31 | 3553876 El Oregonian
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I am encouraged because every day more and more people are waking up. Every day...

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 08:10 | 3553256 orez65
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I'm not leaving.

They are going to have to kill me.

I'll take a few of them with me.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 09:42 | 3553352 fuckitall
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Giving up your life for a concept that died out decades ago? 

Staying in America for long-dead concepts of "freedom", "liberty", "constitution", "bill of rights", etc,  when 99% of people around you no longer care about those things and will gladly give them up for (alledged) government protection and "fairness" just doesn't make much sense to me.  I would leave if I had the resources to do so.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 09:59 | 3553373 orez65
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I've already moved once to escape.

Not going to do it again.

You need to make a stand, or it just follows you.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 11:38 | 3553560 Raymond K Hessel
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Making a stand and committing suicide are not the same thing.

If there's a chance to change things, I say you're right.  But if all that happens is you die in a shoot out with poilce and they tear you down on the news channels with your picture on the screen,... no, it's not worth it.

There are other ways of accomplishing change without killing yourself.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 12:17 | 3556446 Weisshaupt
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You cannot live in peace with people who do not recognise you have rights. You cannot live in peace with people who believe that they have the right to enslave you. 

Nothing will  change those attitudes except  force. Force is the only thing that stops bullies, and essentially  that is what these people are. Stunted intellectually and emotionally in grade school and lashing out at the more sucessful, using the government (and its guns)  as a weapon. 

If one thug dies in the assault on your home, there is one less thug to attack the next guy's house.  That isn't suicide. Its Sacrifice. 

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 12:05 | 3553610 Matthew Quinn
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Run the race that will lead to nowhere fast
Trapped in the haze of this mindless false reality
Wandering a path laid out by fools
That they call "progression" where chaos rules

There is more to life than this
We are more than just this flesh
We are alive and our time has come
For a new awakening

Come death, come suffering, I will not live in fear
In this fleeting life where time escapes us
The path of least resistance is a slow, quiet death
I'd rather burn out than fade away

There is more to life than this
We are more than just this flesh
We are alive and our time has come
For a new awakening

I would rather die than live my life in fear
Out of step, no regrets in the new awakening

I will not live in fear
Live life with no regrets
I will not live in fear

There is more to life than this
We are more than just this flesh
We are alive and our time has come
For a new awakening

I'd rather burn out than fade away

Killswitch Engage - The New Awakening

Just seemed fitting to this conversation.


NOTHING WILL CHANGE UNTIL WE CHANGE. "Building a revolution to heal nations starts within YOU" Killwitch Engage - Self Revolution.

The internet is a false paradigm. Somehow, we have managed to entrench it in every part of our lives. It's a great tool; that's all it is a tool. You can't live your life vicariously though the computer screen. Nor can it be lived through TV. The only reason this current psy-op WE live within succeeds; is because we allow it to persist.

Get outside, turn off the TV. Interact with other human beings. Talk to them, see how they feel about current events. Spread the truth.

Open their eyes; open your eyes. Open their mind; open your mind. Help them realize we are ALL in this life together. What's good for you is good for me.

We need to see these perpetrators whom wish to do us harm with EYES WIDE OPEN

"Become the change you have been looking for" Killswitch Engage - Time will not Remain


TLDR; We are fucked until we stop dividing our selves, and unite.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 12:11 | 3556423 Weisshaupt
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Leave? And go where? To another country where most people don't recognize those concepts either? America still has the highest concentration of people who do value them. They are a minority for sure. But then the First Revolutionary war was won with 3% of the population and maybe another 10% providing direct support to those who were fighting. 

America is one of the few remaining places where this minority group still has guns. This  group will not give them up, and will die bleeding out in their driveways if that is how it goes.  They would rather  die fighting for liberty  than die of old age after decades of being  enslaved to a tribe of self-righteous, narcissitc liberals who adhere to the philopshy of the NAZIs :"Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz"  Why wait to die till the Barbarians  decide to sacrifce you on their alter of good intentions? Why die serving their purposes? If that works for you  then go. We certainly don't need you here. The debt is a ticking time bomb, and the dollar  collpase will have world wide effects.  If you can pass for Native somewhere, you might make it, butt American refugees are going to be (rightly) despised the world over.  TPTB are running out of time to get the police state in place before the collapse.  and  in thier rush, they will set off a new  Civil War. 

Is your liberal neighbor willing to die to make you have healthcare? To ensure you don't drink a 32 oz soda? I doubt it. They vote for those things because they think a government stands between them and those whose freedom and rights they wish to violate. They aren't willing to go house ot house personally  and risk getting killed to make it happen.  They are happy to have others do it, at no or little cost to them.. but probably won't volunteer. As the dollar collapses, they may take the job out of desperation, but then they will be trying to avoid being shot and do as little as is required. . They are mercenaries fighting for money, not for a cause.  Patriots, on the other hand, have one that is a little more noble than "Use the govt as a weapon to enslave your neighbor so you can get free stuff"

If  the govt comes for the patriots, you can be assured the patriots will come for the liberals that gave the govt its power- and they are all concentrated and depenant upon the fragile city infrastructure. Rome is going to burn.  Its going to be bloody, and the outcome is not a forgone conclusion.   Even if this happens driveway by driveway, there are MILLIONS of patriots- they don't have a force large enough to contend with losing a person at each house.  If they deploy tanks and drones, you can bet the patriots will make use of houses owned by liberals who depend on that same army to save  them, and then the  liberals will finally understand that thier God Government, really isn't terribly interested in protecting  them.  

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 23:56 | 3552942 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 1 Scarlett

Maybe it is time for Tyler to start putting up the occasional article on specific foreign countries, that might be more hospitable than our own, not Casey stuff, but better.

The USA will lose its best if they keep this crap up.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 23:59 | 3552947 August
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Actually, I've been gone for 13 years now.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 11:41 | 3553565 de3de8
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Lucky you.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 00:52 | 3553014 Joe A
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They will implement this shit everywhere. In Europe things are not much different. The Netherlands is the country where relatively speaking the most wiretaps in the world occur. Every high profile crime case is used as a reason to propose setting up DNA banks for 'the common good'. Drones are being used by the police for 'our own protection'.

The idea is to create a panopticon society where the population will autocensor and autoadjust itself to become 'good citizens'.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 14:53 | 3553912 Tom Terrific
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panopticon ----> exactly


One more brick in the NWO

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 01:07 | 3553027 James_Cole
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Maybe it is time for Tyler to start putting up the occasional article on specific foreign countries, that might be more hospitable than our own, not Casey stuff, but better.

Switzerland is good, a lot of folks on here would probably like it quite a bit. 

But I think a better idea than abandoning the US would be to try and organize and make change, nothing has ever got better by people jumping ship at the first hint of dangerous waters. 

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 03:28 | 3553141 Argent
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Switzerland is good, a lot of folks on here would probably like it quite a bit. 


Not if they want to stay off a biometric database, which is compulsary for foreigners in Switzerland

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 07:20 | 3553229 JamesBond
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Even GiTMO is looking better than CONUS




Sun, 05/12/2013 - 09:05 | 3553309 babkjl
Sun, 05/12/2013 - 09:10 | 3553312 kill switch
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nothing has ever got better by people jumping ship at the first hint of dangerous waters.

First hint????? Where the hell have you been? 

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 12:27 | 3553652 JOYFUL
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Amen. \nobody ever survived a shipwreck by waiting for the last lifeboat to leave before gettin wit it!

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 03:30 | 3553140 foolbar
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Yep, been gone for so many I forgot,

It's simply too late, ... like 1938 nazi germany, if you didn't get out pre-1938, you were fucked ( dead ).

Financially for everyone, its now simply too late to get out of the USA. New controls for moving money, are all watched by TIA ( total information awareness - poindexter - raygun/bush ).

Happy and glad to be gone for many years, and NO regrets I used to go back every few years to take care of biz, but now I don't even want to go back for anything, always fear they may not let me leave.

On the note of 'best place to go', ... let's just say that is a quick way to destroy a nice place.

Just about anywhere on the earth is better than the USA, shit I have lived in China and the capitalism there is far better.

I think faber ( thailand/hk ), roger's ( singapore ), have the right idea, ... like faber has said, "if I were young I would live in a place with 4 wive's, ..." yep, ... lots of places like this, why not live where you can have a wife 1/4 your age, and more than one!

Most telling about not living in the USA, is most cops are too busy chasing pussy to bother with NAZI shit like in the USA. Most 3rd world country's can't afford spy camera's on every corner,

The USA became a police state in the mid 1980's ( american what went wrong - bartlette&steele ), if your still in the USA in 2013, your FUCKED.

If you didn't get your CASH out 5+ years ago, ... your fucked.

Let's see for myself ..

Live in a beautiful place, beautiful wife 1/3 my age,
$50/month for a nice house, that include internet,power,water
medical is almost free its so cheap,
$20/year for vehicle insurance,
just ride a bike everyday, and get all the pussy I want,
can walk/drive,... around drunk anytime I want and never have a problem with the cop's, for they're MORE drunk than anyone else, ...

The essential problem with the USA, is its just not FUN anymore the NAZI MOFU's have made everything suck dick, and bad. OBAMA is the perfect example of shit eating lies that USA represents. He's not the problem, he's a symptom of the fucked up entitlement society.

It's all about gold, glory, and girls. In the USA the gold is gone ( easy riches by hard-work are over ), ... the glory will only get you a visit by FBI or IRS, and the fucking girl's, my god, fuck a USA woman and sign away your life saving's, ...

Nope the USA is the worst fucking place on the whole fucking planet earth.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 05:05 | 3553179 20834A
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I'd guess you live in the Phillipines and are married to a phillipina.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 06:40 | 3553206 pherron2
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So those of us lacking funds to relocate to third world paradise need only sit it out a few more years until the U.S. reaches parity with them. By then maybe a can of beans would pay for a nice concubine.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 11:27 | 3553543 BeaverFever
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I wouldn't give my concubine a can of beans, if u know what I mean.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 18:03 | 3554278 pherron2
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yeah, guess i coulda put a little more thought into that. lol

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 06:49 | 3553211 Advoc8tr
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Do share ... already wondering why I am not on a plane enroute ?

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 07:05 | 3553220 Magnum
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House, internet, power, all for $50 I doubt it. If you have kids, it's tough to find a place to relocate which offers a decent efucation system and at the same time pussy galore.   Education for my kids and pussy galore for myself.  Now thats a winning combo...?

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 09:28 | 3553340 DaveyJones
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apparently the pedophilia is cheaper too

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 05:56 | 3553193 Going Loco
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Count the UK out:

Proof of self being required at

  • polling places - CHECK,
  • to rent a house - CHECK, legislation announced this week
  • buy a gun - CHECK,
  • open a bank account - CHECK, even if you already have an account at the same bank
  • acquire credit - CHECK
  • board a plane - CHECK
  • or even attend a sporting event or log on the internet - not yet
  • ALSO need Passport ID to get a job; tip waste at the dump if it is in a trailer or 4x4; sell scrap metal; instruct a solicitor or an accountant to do any kind of work for you; use major libraries; carry large amounts of cash (pretty much a non-no now because they assume if you have cash you must be a criminal); 

I carry my passport and a utility bill for proof of address all the time, it saves having to remember when I need them I predict the big one will be gasoline. Not able to buy gasoline with cash; must use credit card registered with the government. That's my guess. It would mean you can't travel if they don't want you to.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 12:42 | 3553685 FreeNewEnergy
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Going Loco said: Proof of self being required at

  • polling places - CHECK,
  • to rent a house - CHECK, legislation announced this week
  • buy a gun - CHECK,
  • open a bank account - CHECK, even if you already have an account at the same bank
  • acquire credit - CHECK
  • board a plane - CHECK
  • or even attend a sporting event or log on the internet - not yet
  • ALSO need Passport ID to get a job; tip waste at the dump if it is in a trailer or 4x4; sell scrap metal; instruct a solicitor or an accountant to do any kind of work for you; use major libraries; carry large amounts of cash (pretty much a non-no now because they assume if you have cash you must be a criminal); 

Well, I don't vote (waste of my time)

I own my home.

Already have guns

Have six bank accounts, and think that's enough.

Am paying off credit cards and shutting them down.

Never liked flying anyhow.

Well, not yet doesn't count.

As for the remainder, I don't need a job, am self-employed, don't drop waste at the landfill, I do sell some scrap metal, so that could be a problem, fucking hate lawyers and have no need for accountants, I like my library and do often carry lots of cash.

Obviously, I need to be chipped, bro.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:37 | 3553453 ZaphodBeeblebrox
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So what is the average ZH'r view on the Zeitgeist movement? Before anyway rails at me, let me say I am not here being a proponent but feeling like there needs to be something different and wondering what the perceived holes in their mantra is. 

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 11:42 | 3553570 Raymond K Hessel
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Can you expand on Zeitgest movement and their mantra?

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 14:09 | 3553837 Aurora Ex Machina
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It's a 15 year old cult if you want a dissenting opinion. The film also does the usual thing of extensively altering or mining out of context quotations about its subject.


Perhaps the best criticism is that outside of YouTube they don't seem to do much, and their de facto leader is a bit of a prat (David Icke, but without the success and revenue generation). I suppose their heart is in the right place.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 08:09 | 3553254 Jambo Mambo Bill
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The question is where to go babe... The whole World is mest up really...

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 09:34 | 3553345 DaveyJones
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i'm going where there's a decent amount of water, a decent amount of land, and a decent distance from a major mega-metropolitan area. i know it will still have it's own problems, but i still trust myself, my animals, my plants and my family (same thing really) and can learn to trust my neighbors. Going to relearn some old skills. You don't really need that much to live a helathy, happy life. They just want you to think like that.    

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 22:30 | 3552744 espirit
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 “More fundamentally, it could be the start of keeping a record of all things.”

 What? Whoa.  Say it ain't true.  That's like saying the retail stores don't keep track of your purchases, or the banks, or the .gov, etc.

This is a stupid fucking statement to end an article.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 23:19 | 3552876 noless
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It would negate the ability of legally defined citizens to utilize cash or barter, without the threat of criminal penalties.

But you are correct, the majority of the system is already in place.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:21 | 3553411 They trynna cat...
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This way they can force you to live within the beast's economic system (slavery), and flip off your buy/sell switch in the instance you are caught making an 'incorrect' remark.

Also, they keep letting in terrorists into the country because it gives them an excuse to crack down on everyone else's civil liberties.

1984 is coming, rest assured. We may not see it in full in our lifetimes, but it's picked up speed exponentially in the past few decades.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 15:13 | 3553946 Blano
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Utah Data Center.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 11:32 | 3553552 sun tzu
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Only if you use credit cards or give them your info voluntarily

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 23:23 | 3552885 Old Poor Richard
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They need to know where you are at all times so they can Hellfire your ass whenever it's the emperor's whim to do so.  You'll need to provide authenticated ID for any transaction to keep better tabs on you.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 09:36 | 3553347 DaveyJones
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those oil wars will need a lot of bodies and a lot of sacrifice from civilians

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 23:55 | 3552939 HardAssets
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We'll see if the American people are now slaves, or not.

Many of them think like slaves. Many of them act like slaves.

And a helluva lot of them think that's just fine.

When presented with this kinda 1984 dictatorship bullshit, truly free men and women would tell the traitors that came up with it to


Slaves just shrug their shoulders and think "Oh well".

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 23:57 | 3552943 DoChenRollingBearing
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Free men and women are free to leave as well.  Could be a trend, keep watching.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 09:23 | 3553330 onewayticket2
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Where? USA was it...

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 11:34 | 3553555 sun tzu
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Why give the fuckheads the satisfaction. I'll stay and torment them more than they torment me

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 00:31 | 3552994 1100-TACTICAL-12
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where is john galt ?

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 08:27 | 3553269 real
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you seriously cant be quoting from that rag. you nut jobs have done and will do more damage then any other mind altering fantasy creators 

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:53 | 3552638 toys for tits
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What is everyone afraid of?

This is a good thing in that it will go hand-in-hand with the eventual single payer healthcare system as a way to maintain everyones' medical records.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 22:09 | 3552676 i-dog
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I'm quite happy with my medical records, scant as they are, remaining only with my chosen doctor, thank you very much.

If the government thinks they need them for some particular purpose, then they can "show cause" and politely ask for them...each and every time they think it is necessary.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 22:49 | 3552796 nmewn
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If your doctor carries one of those little electronic note pads or a lap top around with him or her during your visit...your on the grid baby.

As a side note, they make it very easy (electronic entry) to add costs, not cut costs.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 01:18 | 3553042 toys for tits
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Thought the sarcasm was apparent, I'll tag it next time.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 04:44 | 3553172 i-dog
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Though I thought it was sarcasm, I decided to take the opportunity to make a point for all to consider...particularly for the fence-sitters, who are beguiled by statements such as those you made.

"I'll tag it next time"

Probably a good idea...some of the knives in the drawer here aren't all that sharp.....

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 06:25 | 3553200 JOYFUL
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some of the kni[a]ves what be taggin themselves to your posts of the moment ....

are all too sharp. And be doin so of a purpose...

O mighty knose what knows.... beware the klothes/// of sheeps... what be not what they seem!

The dissimulators be loose amongst us. Scent be faint, but fresh.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 07:01 | 3553207 i-dog
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I'm fully aware of 'the enemy within', GleefulOne...but thanks for the heads up on others (that I've so far failed to notice...I'll watch my tail. Though, I certainly avoid bait thrown down by fascists, compassionate or otherwise).

BTW, did you see my reply to your question here: 3553108 ?

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 08:16 | 3553260 JOYFUL
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Jus grabbed that bone now... thanks for the heads up... be back soon!

p.s. Duplicity is the theme of the day...Duos of dastardly dupes be mongst us...

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 08:38 | 3553277 francis_sawyer
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My prediction is that, in light of the new 'SEE SOMETHING SAY SOMETHING' policy... The natural immigration from the HuffPo crowd will cause the aforementioned 'bulbs' to become dimmer & dimmer...


We're all our khakis now...

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:25 | 3553418 JOYFUL
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my prediction is that those whose sole resort of retort is to flail away at the vote meter... will find that the opacity which they believe to shield them will be givin way to the light of day... and full exposure...

faster than they may currently believe possible...

Flail on lil fella!

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 08:22 | 3553265 buckethead
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Never tag sarc. It devalues it.

If they don't get it, fuck em.

If they take a stand against it... All the better. In the battlefield of ideas, some ideas will be killed. But it won't be the pseudonym wielding intardnet commenter dying... Yet.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:21 | 3553409 MachoMan
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If your doctor carries one of those little electronic note pads or a lap top around with him or her during your visit...your on the grid baby.

If you see a doctor and your payment source is anything other than self-pay, then you're certainly in the system.  Some doctors will keep electronic medical records even for self-pay clients.  If this is important to you, then you'd better be sure on the front end how your doctor retains records.

The time savings for electronic medical billing dictates that virtually every medical services provider, from a solo practice on up, submits your billing electronically to every insurance company.  Even if you file a paper claim, the insurance company scans it into the grid.



Sat, 05/11/2013 - 22:35 | 3552757 Lost Word
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First they take your privacy, then they take your guns.

When they take your guns, then they take your life.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 08:06 | 3553253 DaddyO
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Incrementally, a little piece at a time.

Just like correcting a bad slice, try to rip the hands around and duck hook. When you go back to the regular swing, a nice fade.

That's what's been happening for my lifetime, push way past the status quo and if any pushback comes, it never comes all the way back to the status quo.


Sun, 05/12/2013 - 00:00 | 3552944 HardAssets
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What youre seeing is a bunch of Nazi muthers

They had all sorts of 'laws' in Germany in the 1930s & 1940s too

You see, that makes dictatorship and eventual murder nice and tidy and 'legal'


Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:02 | 3553378 Doctor of Reality
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I hope the trolls voting down realize that HA is correct, and those who participated actively and passively... were historically and MORALLY in the wrong. 

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:51 | 3553476 They trynna cat...
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At least the Nazis had the decency to ask who they wanted to leave, to leave, before they implemented their system. They made no secret that certain folk were no longer welcome in Germany.

What's happening here is the classic frogs being boiled slowly. The US gov wants us here. They need us here, to extract satanic worship from at the barrel of a gun.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 08:03 | 3553251 Muddy1
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"But privacy advocates fear the inevitable mission creep, ending with the proof of self being required at polling places, to rent a house, buy a gun, open a bank account, acquire credit, board a plane or even attend a sporting event or log on the internet."

Other than the POSSIBLE admission to a sporting event, and logging onto the internet, these practices are already in place.  YAWN

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 08:39 | 3553278 spankfish
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Okay, I will.



Read the RFQ

Especially Attachment A page 12 ... BACKGROUND TECHNICAL SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM - This procurement action is undertaken to add additional capacity to the existing Technical Surveillance System.  This additional capacity will provide the Government of Mexico with the capability to intercept, analyze and use intercepted information from all types of communications systems operating in Mexico.  Together with the original system the requested additional capacity will continue help deter, prevent and mitigate acts of major federal crimes in Mexico that include narcotics trafficking and terrorism. 

Just more spying... on us.

I did like one of the points of contact: Kiazan X Moneypenny

Moneypenny... funny, right out of a James Bond movie.  You just can't make this stuff up.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:37 | 3552574 GoldForCash
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Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:40 | 3552584 GoldForCash
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The bill has not yet passed but yet they have already built the building to house the national data base which by the way is large enough to keep track of everyone on earth.??? 666

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:49 | 3552622 ghandi
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My three 357s hold exactly that amount of ammo!

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 22:16 | 3552694 Zer0head
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if only we knew then what we know now

C at a buck

GS <50


and the effing 10 year

etc etc

and the likes of CAR etc   money for nothing just 4 short years ago

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 23:41 | 3552910 Skateboarder
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I only had a hundred bucks at that time, but I still kick myself for not throwing everything in C when it went to a buck. Shit was like free money dude.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 03:00 | 3553127 Lost My Shorts
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You guys are forgetting the 1 for 10 stock split in 2011.  That buck you remember is really $10 split adjusted.

If you want to torture yourself with hindsight, lots of other stocks had a bigger multiple bottom to top than C.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:53 | 3552635 seek
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In the IT business that particular building would be described as a single point of failure.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 22:01 | 3552661 nmewn
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In the patriot/terrorist business it is as well ;-)

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 05:03 | 3553178 MeMadMax
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Would be nice to get those terrorists to do something positive for everyone once in a while ^.^

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 22:28 | 3552736 Kirk2NCC1701
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This is self-fulfilling, I.e. it gets its idea from Revelations itself. In any case...

The NWO pieces are being put in place for a One-World Currency, and the biometrics is part of it.

Remember what I've been saying for over a month, that TPTB will use their own version of BTC when they're good and ready? The HSBC ads speak mega-volumes:

"In the future, your DNA will be your data."

This is what it will be based on, and the Mormons should be ashamed of themselves for allowing themselves to be used for this purpose, by allowing that Datacenter to be built in Utah. But you know the Mormons... They LOVE to cowtow to authority. What happens when their leadership gets seduced by the monetary Luciferians?

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 22:39 | 3552770 Lost Word
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Probably Federal land that Utah had no control.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 22:46 | 3552780 i-dog
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"What happens when their leadership gets seduced by the monetary Luciferians?"

I take it you haven't looked into the architecture of their "temples"...or their inbreeding...or their religious practices...or the fact that some of their leading lights are Knights of Malta...or.......

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 23:37 | 3552908 IndyPat
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....or their strange obsession with genealogy...or their rites that kinda smell Mason...or....

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 00:12 | 3552972 thisandthat
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In fact, their founder was a mason (same with Jeovah's witnesses) and was buried on his request as a mason.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 23:22 | 3552884 noless
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Sun, 05/12/2013 - 12:56 | 3553712 Clycntct
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" seduced by the monetary Luciferians" Eh does that mean something much simpler like  we are happy to take welfare.

The fkn state is on the dole and the dole keeps it humming along.

Next up lets rebuild the airport. That ought to keep a couple of bucks coming in for 10 years or so.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 16:48 | 3554153 jimmytorpedo
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Um,..I don't think your supposed to say "Mormons" on ZH anymore.

They are an affiliation and a religion.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:05 | 3553316 TruthBeforeAll
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You gots to have permission bitches.

Me, I live by the motto "It's Better To Apologize Than Ask Permission". But then I'm a fairly intelligent person who actually cares about his fellow man so that works for me. At least until they start shooting folks for simply doing things without having permission. It's amazing how history repeats itself. Guess that's why they stopped teaching it in schools.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:48 | 3552619 GoldForCash
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The bill has not yet passed but yet they have already built the building to house the national data base which by the way is large enough to keep track of everyone on earth.??? 666

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 23:12 | 3552850 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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Let's see, six points, six sides, six angles- Star Of David?

Oh shit!

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 23:34 | 3552902 KickIce
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Many true Jewish people understood the significance and were against this...

1948: In the Spring of this year, the Rothschilds bribe President Harry S. Truman (33rd President of the United States 1945 – 1953) to recognize Israel (Rothschild owned Zionist not Jewish territory) as a sovereign state with $2,000,000 which they give to him on his campaign train.

They then declare Israel to be a sovereign Jewish state in Palestine and within half an hour President Truman declared the United States to be the first foreign nation to recognize it.

The Flag of Israel is unveiled. Despite tremendous opposition the emblem on the flag is a blue colored version of the Rothschild, "Red Hexagram or Sign."

This angers many Jews who realize this Hexagram was used in the ancient mystery religions as the symbol of, "Moloch," (described as a demon of unwilling sacrifice and is also interestingly the name of the stone owl the elite worship at Bohemian Grove), and, "Astaroth," (described as the Lord Treasurer of Hell).

The Hexagram was also used to represent Saturn, which has been identified as the esoteric name for, "Satan." This indicates that anyone killed in the name of Israel is actually a sacrifice to Satan. These dissenting Jews believe the, "Menorah," the oldest Jewish symbol should be used and pointed out that the Hexagram is not even a Jewish symbol, but of course as the Rothschild Zionists use it that is what ends up on the Rothschild, I mean Zionist, I mean Israeli flag.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 23:45 | 3552922 Skateboarder
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The cult of elites must be broken.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 04:21 | 3553161 francis_sawyer
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Oh what's hysterical to me is to see this 'hexagram' in pendants, jewelry, etc. placed in Hollywood movies [whose theme actually predates 1948]... I realize the symbol is old, but it is always placed as an identification symbol... Might as well have George Washington eating McDonalds hamburgers...

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 22:01 | 3552662 azzhatter
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Time for massive civil disobedience

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 23:12 | 3552849 Van Halen
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Papers, please.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 23:13 | 3552855 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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Papers ain't gonna save you!

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:49 | 3553474 viahj
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it will be RFID chip, please

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 13:32 | 3553775 Overfed
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Why? You already voluntarily carry a device on your person that allows you to be tracked, pay for stuff, and be contacted at any time. RFID is moot.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 04:13 | 3553155 olto
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perfect handle, btw

Bull shit, tough guy!

You'll at what you are given----I 've been back in this country of cowards and tough guys for a month now----can barely wait to leave----all I have heard have been macho mouths

I hope I'm wrong about you, and that you will actually look me up---we should talk, no?

Until then----keep on kicking ass, 'bro

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 05:57 | 3553194 Wile-E-Coyote
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Eventually everyone will have to have an electronic tag surgically implanted, this wil be done for your own safety. The government really cares for your well being!!

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 07:40 | 3553236 Son of Loki
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Reading makes me dizzy.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 08:48 | 3553289 Cloud9.5
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According to one report I read, there are now more than 800,000 with top level security clearances.  Home Land Security is estimated to employ nearly 200,000 and has another 200,000 private contractors.  These various agencies generate over 50,000 reports.  Most go unread by the decision makers.


Lower level Feds knew about the 9/11 hijackers before the attack and the information got lost in the FBI labyrinth.  The same thing was true about the Boston Marathon bombers.  Billions spent, Constitution run through a shredder and nothing has changed.


We created Al Qaeda and it came back and bit us in the ass.   We are creating multiple fiefdoms of Pretorian Guards.  Internecine warfare between these agencies is inevitable.    Here at the end of the empire, we are going to witness many permutations of the Night of Long Knives.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 09:37 | 3553348 Kirk2NCC1701
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Where is Anonymouse to get at that info and provide it to wi/leaks?

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 17:58 | 3554266 Cloud9.5
Sun, 05/12/2013 - 08:49 | 3553290 insanelysane
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They're called public servants but really need to be renamed Massta.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 11:02 | 3553498 DosZap
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ending with the proof of self being required at polling places, to rent a house, buy a gun, open a bank account, acquire credit, board a plane


All else and more already require the ID, they will not be getting my co-operation for pics and data.I am not a new immigrant nor illegal.


Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:11 | 3552502 otto skorzeny
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Welcome to The Matrix.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:38 | 3552577 Ignatius
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“More fundamentally, it could be the start of keeping a record of all things.”

We're already there, no?  Sometimes I can't remember what I had for breakfast, but I always seem to remember my SS#.  Drive by Bluffdale, Utah and check out the view; I hear it's lovely this time of treason.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 22:37 | 3552710 CompassionateFascist
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in the rear-view miror, a High-Value Target will be seen. I saw something, I said something

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:19 | 3552506 freewolf7
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And who says Congress doesn't do anything?

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:18 | 3552522 lolmao500
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It's for your freedom!

And it's not the immigration bill... it's the AMNESTY bill.


Good thing the terrorists aren’t winning or anything.

The terrorists win every 2 years... if you get my drift...

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 23:15 | 3552860 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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"'s the AMNESTY bill."

amNASTY bill

Fixed it for you!

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 11:21 | 3553527 Kirk2NCC1701
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Ah, now we're getting somewhere:  You too have figured out that...

The TRUE purpose of AW (Assymetric Warfare) is to raise the Operating Costs & Complexity until (a) the folly of the beast is plain for all to see, and (b) the machine collapses under its own weight.  Normally this would have happened by now for any other country, but given USA's unique position of printing virtually enless amounts of dollars (Global Reserve Currency), it can keep "paying".

"They" also know that others have figured this out, and if they can't bribe, buy out or bully an opponent, they will then liquidate any person, group or country that threatens their petro-dollar dominance.  They will and are doing Anything + Everything to keep the monstrosity going.

I'm not saying that they are devil worshippers, but they might as well be.  "If it wags like a dog..."?

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:17 | 3552523 Jugdish
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The pedophiles need access to your porn history to keep us safe.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:22 | 3552524 Atomizer
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It sure is. In the Bill, it looks just like this. If you cannot read this portion of bill, it's unimportant to you. Just vote yes jackwagons!

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:29 | 3552550 otto skorzeny
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We have to grant all of the illegals immediate amnesty to find out what's in the bill.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:23 | 3552532 ekm
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It will still not matter.

As long as americans are allowed to have guns, no one can control americans for a long time.


And as long as that border with mexico is open for any criminal to come in, americans will carry weapons.

Conservatives, be careful what you looking for: A border wall with mexico would lead to arms confiscation.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:45 | 3552605 They trynna cat...
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They'll never build a wall.  Open borders and mass third world immigration are by far the best weapons they have against us.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:50 | 3552629 john39
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And Americans (most) have been controlled for a long time... In the only way that really matters, control over the mind

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 22:19 | 3552701 ekm
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It's impossible to control 300 million people with 300 million guns.

In communism they controlled us, but nobody was allowed to own a gun.


They control europeans, but people have no guns, except for Zwitzerland (yes they own a lot of guns).

However, Europe has almost closed the borders.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 22:29 | 3552740 john39
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Most have no clue who the real enemy is... Guns don't do much good unless you can see who the puppet master is.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 22:39 | 3552767 CompassionateFascist
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we know exactly who: globalist Jew banksters and their political minions

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 23:03 | 3552833 SMG
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They're not Jewish, disinfo boy.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 23:17 | 3552867 CompassionateFascist
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via network of holding companies, the Redshield owns a controlling stock interest in every National/International Bank outside the BRICs

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 23:24 | 3552886 kito
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Take your drivel over to stormfront.......

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 00:26 | 3552988 JOYFUL
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What's this? After yesterday's Kito-Francis love-in... CF can't find no luv from yu? Please explain your selective affinities with our resident "jewbashers" my good man!

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 01:52 | 3553081 JOYFUL
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so, where CF simply quotes a bite from Dick Eastman's anti-usury finance manifesto... making no mention of 'jews' or any other term which could remotely be construed as 'anti-semitic'(aka... critical of those of demonstrably non-semitic origins but who cloak themselves in the convenient garb of 'hebraicism')...

FS gets a big wet kiss for making consistent and unmistakeable references to 'jews' n 'joobucks', n all kinds of joooicy noises of the kind that make ADL censors n lawyers faint with delight!

Koinkidink///or KONspiracy? We 'paranoics' would like to know!

Perhaps,in spite of(or because of?!?!?!?) this new age of ZH policies n practices... it's time to rip off the manhole covers and descend into the sewers of cabbalistic talmudist hegelian dialectical divide n rule diversionary doctrine!

Where lurks the code words of the cabbalist fusioncon\con-fusion centers... like "stormfront" -

coding: nasty bad places were 'white racial supremacists go to spew toxic race hatred! right Kito? And yet... on closer inspection... what do these nests of neo-nazis invariably turn out to be? We 'paranoics' would like to know! ...

confirmed: 80% or better of so-called white supremacist sites and organizations are manifestly talmudist organized and controlled 'fronts' with which the cabbalist continuum wages their culture wars campaign to dissumulate... disorganize... and delude peeples from acting pon what their own eyes tell them to be true! Famous frauds like "Frank Collins"( Francis Joseph Cohen), "Bill White"(William Weiss) and the rest of the rogues gallery of ridiculous and inept phony "national socialist white supremacists" all trace back to the usual suspects kito.

So what's a 'paranoic' person gots to think when they see a selective dissing motif which supports the cabbalistic-leninist 'controlled opposition' trope??? The dumbgoy kept in the dark from realizing that this is all about economic power... rather than race or religion...may not be quite as dumb as what they's supposed to be no more... and may even cotton on eventually to the fact that only one group in this world today proudly and openly announces the program of racialist hegemony... without being just another false front!

your volley kito...

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 01:55 | 3553085 francis_sawyer
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Don't drag me into this... I've been cleansed...


I used to come here for 'Fight Club' & Snorg T girls... Now I just come for the cool Maytag, Sprint, Capital One, & T Rowe Price ads...

[& SERIOUSLY... I didn't even know what 'stormfront' was until somebody brought it up twice the other week... So I had to go look it up... That place doesn't interest me in the least]...

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 02:11 | 3553096 Kirk2NCC1701
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I think you're more interesting when you're more witty.  +1

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 02:23 | 3553102 francis_sawyer
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It's easy to be witty in a world that's 24/7 farce... The trouble is, to some, what reads as witty & what reads as anger are often indistinguishable... I mean ~ for chrissakes, I had some dude [on another thread] try to tell me that I needed to start doing yoga or something to mellow out...


The bottom line is... THE WHOLE WORLD IS A FUCKING JOKE TO ME... Prior to yesterday ~ ZH was a 'bubble', where I didn't have to exist in that Matrix... But now?... Well ~ I guess we'll see... I guess I can grow some dreadlocks like Whoopi Goldberg, grab a mug of coffee & talk about the Maytag ads... That oughta be fun...

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 09:29 | 3553336 Element
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You need to replace whoopi's coffee mug with 250mg of diazepam francis.

Do you realize just about everyone has been trying to get you to stop from blowing your 'effing foot off?

Why? Because they don't want you to go bye-byes.

But you reacted badly or over-reacted to every one.

Well, go right ahead, Tyler doesn't want to lose TIME (no not just money, he emphasized TIME) in fighting unnecessary legal battles, so that he can keep operating zh as per normal, to do what he does.

So selfish, no?

I guess the 'real' Tyler would have copped a pounding in the basement of the Bar by the owner, to secure zh because, "but we like it here Lu", maybe, but this is not Hollywood (almost said the other word there), so lighten the fuck up francis.

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