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IRS Conservative Witchhunt Started In 2011 With High-Level Officials Involved

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The IRS conservative targeting scandal is going from bad to worse.

Following the Friday revelations that despite all prior appeals to the contrary, the IRS did in fact apply political bias and prejudice in targeting conservative groups who had applied for exempt status (and who knows what other prejudice when targeting non-liberals entities - perhaps it is time to do an analysis of what the ratio of conservatives to liberals audited each year is?), culminating with the farcical response by an IRS official during the Friday press meeting...

... this may be just the beginning of a major political scandal which in addition to tangential fallout crushing the alleged "impartiality" of the Obama administration, additionally validates many of the heretofore right-wing "conspiracy theories." And as Zero Hedge has shown time and again, it is not a conspiracy theory if it is a conspiracy fact.

What makes things worse for the IRS, the US Treasury, its then-head Tim Geithner, and of course, Barack Obama, is that according to a draft report prepared by the Treasury Department's inspector general for tax administration, expected to be released this week, and seen by AP, is that senior IRS officials knew agents were targeting tea party groups as early as the spring/summer of 2011, well before the 2012 election as we announced before. What makes matters worse, is that it was not only "low-level" employees as the IRS tried to justify its prejudice on Friday, but high level personnel, among which at least one head of division that oversees tax-exempt organizations, and likely  all the way to the very top, that were well aware of the witch hunt.

From AP:

The IRS apologized Friday for what it acknowledged was "inappropriate" targeting of conservative political groups during the 2012 election to see if they were violating their tax-exempt status. The agency blamed low-level employees, saying no high-level officials were aware.

 

But on June 29, 2011, Lois G. Lerner, who heads the IRS division that oversees tax-exempt organizations, learned at a meeting that groups were being targeted, according to the watchdog's report. At the meeting, she was told that groups with "Tea Party," ''Patriot" or "9/12 Project" in their names were being flagged for additional and often burdensome scrutiny, the report says. The 9-12 Project is a group started by conservative TV personality Glenn Beck.

 

Lerner instructed agents to change the criteria for flagging groups "immediately," the report says.

Attempts by the IRS to contain the fallout to lower level employees will become very complicated once it becomes public knowledge, that "on Aug. 4, 2011, staffers in the IRS' Rulings and Agreements office "held a meeting with chief counsel so that everyone would have the latest information on the issue.""

So everyone knew about it.

But this is a very sticky problem because at a congressional hearing March 22, 2012, IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman, who had previously stated on the record that no groups had been targeted, testified under oath as follows: "There's absolutely no targeting. This is the kind of back and forth that happens to people" who apply for tax-exempt status, Shulman said at the House Ways and Means subcommittee hearing."

Oops.

Of course, the IRS is scrambling to contain the fallout in the only way it (and JPMorgan, and Goldman Sachs, and every other organization caught with its pants down) knows - the news never got to the top:

"IRS senior leadership was not aware of this level of specific details at the time of the March 2012 hearing," the statement said. "The timeline does not contradict the commissioner's testimony. While exempt organizations officials knew of the situation earlier, the timeline reflects that IRS senior leadership did not have this level of detail."

 

Lerner's position is three levels below the commissioner.

 

"The timeline supports what the IRS acknowledged on Friday that mistakes were made," the statement continued. "There were not partisan reasons behind this."

What makes it even worse is that it was not just some radical conservative groups that had been targeted.

On Jan, 25, 2012, the criteria for flagging suspect groups was changed to, "political action type organizations involved in limiting/expanding Government, educating on the Constitution and Bill of Rights, social economic reform/movement," the report says.

So, by implication those who still believe in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are if not enemies of the US, then certainly subject to far more scrutiny by the country's tax collectors?

Needless to say, the fury among republicans in Congress is palpable:

Rep. Charles Boustany, R-La., chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee's oversight subcommittee, said the report "raises serious questions as to who at IRS, Treasury and in the administration knew about this, why this practice was allowed to continue for as long as it did, and how widespread it was."

 

"This timeline reveals at least two extremely unethical actions by the IRS. One, as early as 2010, they targeted groups for political purposes. Two, they willfully and knowingly lied to Congress for years despite being aware that Congress was investigating this practice," Boustany said.

 

"This is an outrageous abuse of power. Going after organizations for referencing the Bill of Rights or expressing the intent to make this country a better place is repugnant," Boustany added. "There is no excuse for this behavior."

The White House, which would not want to touch this issue with a three trillion foot pole has logically distanced itself as far as possible:

On Friday, White House spokesman Jay Carney said the administration expected the inspector general to conduct a thorough investigation, but he brushed aside calls for the White House itself to investigate.

However, one can be certain that with the ascendent GOP, smarting after a year of political debacles and strategic disasters, and feeling emboldened in the aftermath of the Benghazi scandal coverup which in itself is another slap in the face of the "most transparent administration" in history, that the scandal will not be contained to some low-level, Fabrice Tourre-wannabe. Unless of course both the right and the left were in on it. After all, Shulman was appointed by President George W. Bush. His 6-year term ended in November.

Which, of course, would mean that for all the theatrics and optics, both the right and the left are, indeed, one.

 

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Sat, 05/11/2013 - 19:26 | 3552275 Fuku Ben
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I see that Hillary didn't testify under oath and this allowed by both sides of the fake aisle

I'm sure we can expect the same complicit cover-up or scapegoating with the IRS too

Yet, a nun trespasses on a depeleted uranium site with practically zero security and gets a 20 year sentence

Anyone else sick of all this treasonous shit and hypocrisy yet?

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 19:34 | 3552288 cynicalskeptic
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Stay focused on the fake partisan divide and you won't realize that the current two party system is a Kabuki Play staged to entertain and distract the electorate while serving the rich and wealthy.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 19:45 | 3552299 Jam Akin
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It does seem that the fruits of excessive hubris are coming home to roost stage left at kibuki theatre lately.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 20:14 | 3552367 This just in
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Unfortunately, nothing is coming home to roost.  The media will ignore this, and the public will care only about the Voice.  We, as a free people, are fucked, plain and simple.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 20:23 | 3552382 Crisismode
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This all sounds vaguely racist to me.

 

Should this not be reported to the Tylers immediately.

 

Someone is saying bad things about someone else.

 

This needs to be reported NOW.

 

 

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 20:31 | 3552406 john39
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note that fake conservatives were not targeted.  all about control and maintaining control under a fascist system.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 20:41 | 3552432 Kinskian
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Fascists get blamed for everything around this place.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 20:42 | 3552435 Goldilocks
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Freedom To Fascism Aaron Russo VS IRS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuxc2rl38rg (9:59)

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 20:59 | 3552481 Kinskian
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National Socialism was a reaction to what we see taking place in the US. Under NS, German industry had a duty to the state and to the people. Hitler would never have allowed Krupp to lay-off German workers and move their jobs to lower cost third world countries, and foreign trade was to the Germans' advantage or not at all. I think "fascist" is over used, when "totalitarian" would be a better choice.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:20 | 3552529 imapopulistnow
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When I was younger, like most of you, I would chuckle at the old farts who predicted we were going to have riots or a race war at any time.  Now that I am an old fart, perhaps I am just getting caught up into old fart thinking, but i see the following as a real possibility:

Obama's Administration (he was out golfing) has created a severe Constituional crisis between IRS, Bengahzi, media-government & banker-government interrelationships, and other stuff that we do not even know about but that may come out of the woodwork now that whistleblowers are feeling more emboldened to tell the truth.

Most white folks from the mid-west, rocky mountain states and south have very strong beliefs about the intgegrity of government, rule of law and the Constitution.  If more things come out, they will be shocked and horrified about what has happened to the values of this nation.  African-Americans have overwhelmingly voted for Obama with great pride.  Nothing can or will change this.  I understand. 

It is quite possible that there will be civil unrest between supporters of Obama and the government, and those who no longer trust it.

So, what is it.  Am I just thinking like an old fart, or do we run the risk of something really bad happening?

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:43 | 3552593 11b40
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You are just getting senile.
Tell me again about that rule of law thingy that most white folk believe in.
Would those be the red states that supported the administration that lied us into war, gave us the Department of Fatherland Security, exploding deficits, the housing bubble, the bank bailouts.... And the list could go on, but I need another drink,

We need to have a revolution, but you give Obummer way more credit than he deserves. He is no more than a tool, little different than the tool in the last administration, and the one before, and the one before, etc, wash, rinse, repeat.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:54 | 3552642 tsx500
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    FORWARD  !!

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 23:16 | 3552861 DoChenRollingBearing
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Those of you with the stamina and interest, keep reading the comments, all the way to the end.  There are some interesting things bubbling up.  Big scandals?  Who knows, especially with the compliant pussycat State Run Media.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 23:32 | 3552898 CompassionateFascist
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Lerner...Shulman....(etc)....It's not the IRS. It's the JRS.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 00:14 | 3552973 Pure Evil
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Come on, let's not take this shit to seriously.

Where's the guy with the popcorn so we can sit back and be entertained?

These are just the sub-plots within the sub-plots.

Everything you see is contrived, scripted, and plagiarized.

They can't even come up with new material.

Even 9/11 was a copycat of OKC, although they got a bigger bang for their fiat bucks.

I mean, come on, were starting to look like the crowed scene in 1984 where they allow the proles to show their anger when Goldstein is shown on the viewing screen, with a name like that he's gotta be a j-o-o.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 01:24 | 3553044 Lore
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That too is an oversimplification.  (Orwell chose "Goldstein" for that very reason.)  The devil comes in many guises and hides behind any / all labels.  2+2 = Whatever he says.

What we are witnessing here, by effect if not by design, is a smear of important words like 'conservative' and 'Tea Party.'  Something positive is twisted and perverted into something negative.  'Conservative' used to connote maturity, morality, restraint, accountability. 'Tea Party' likewise surfaced a few years ago as a grassroots nonpartisan movement that resonated with hope, nostalgia, renewal, a spirit of rectitude, and return to 'conservatism.' Then the term got hijacked and co-opted for a hook to attract voters to a tasteless political sideshow.  The original spirit of 'Tea Party' seemed to transcend mere party politics before it was spoiled.  'Conservative' likewise used to be a good thing. Now, ironically, it's painted as backward, radical and dangerous. In the interest of preserving status quo characterized by growing imbalances, virtue is painted as vice. 

It's fascinating. Imagine the stress some people must feel.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 03:04 | 3553130 Xavier Doe
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What we are looking at IMO, is the outright criminalization of the use of those words in implying their original meaning, so that only the leftist caricatures of those words remain in the public square.  The bullies that hold the levers of power are trying, in their own small way, to convert those terms into scarlet letters.  Once that is accomplished, why not hold up the tax-exempt status of any organization attempting to trade on the proverbial marks of the beast?

Which is all a real pisser because I was just about to register my own tax-exempt organization, Tea Party Tea Party Tea Party Patriot Patriot Patriot IRS Suck My Balls Dot Org.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 14:23 | 3553860 Lore
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Good post.

Language is being manipulated to stop people from THINKING.  Remember how hard the media drilled "WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION" into public consciousness?  "ISLAMO-FASCISM" is another thoughtstopper.  "AL QAEDA" seems to be a kind of inside joke.  Every incident that seems like some kind of intrigue gets blanketed in the media with "AL QAEDA... AL QAEDA... AL QAEDA..." 

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 15:03 | 3553926 Cathartes Aura
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with respect, language has always been "manipulated to stop people from thinking" - that's what hierarchies (religions, nationstates/corporations) do, they co-opt, twist meaning, and pit peoples against other peoples.  the difference this time is it's being done to your "side/team/whatever" - but know that this isn't a first, this has centuries of history behind it.

obviously, it works, for them, whoever "they" are for you.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 04:13 | 3555411 Lore
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Absolutely, you're right. Language is an ancient weapon.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 04:16 | 3555414 Lore
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Parroted for obvious relevance to the discussion further up the page:

“During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.”George Orwell

“Truth is Treason in Empire of lies” - George Orwell

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 23:47 | 3552928 Dapper Dan
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Twenty people on President Richard Nixon’s enemies list were named in the 1971 memo released to the Senate Watergate Committee in 1973.

There were 200 additional enemies on a separate list.

The memo proposed the use of “federal machinery,” including IRS audits and litigation, to “screw our political enemies.”

People never change, only the technology/circumstances change.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 01:51 | 3553084 20834A
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What asshole would down vote a mere observation of FACT?

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 07:27 | 3553224 NoDebt
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Richard Nixon, I'm guessing.  Clickin' from the grave!

Sorry, didn't mean to crack wise in such a serious thread.  I guess I'm just old enough not to be shocked by this.  Every administration has used the IRS as their attack dog against political opposition- they're the one entity that can touch EVERYTHING and ANYTHING because they can go wherever money goes. 

Just that it's happening more now because the IRS is bigger and more powerful than ever.  You know how many new auditors they hired in the last few years?  The code is so vast and complex that everyone is guilty of something.  Just a matter of who they choose to go after. 

Nothing like this EVER starts from a 'low level' in the IRS.  Never.  Those people were given their marching orders from above. 

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 19:04 | 3554420 de3de8
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A libtard POS.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 16:09 | 3554073 tenpanhandle
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Yes?...and look what happened to Nixon.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 01:37 | 3553059 sun tzu
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Illinois, New York, California, the most corrupt and oppresive states in the Union.

Detroit, Newark, Chicago, the most corrupt cities in the country. 

One party rule

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 19:12 | 3554440 de3de8
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MD a close second.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 22:15 | 3554932 TheObsoleteMan
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Interesting, you left out Washington DC from the list of most corrupt cities! It is king of the hill. New Orleans is pretty crooked too. Could easily give the others lessons in corruption.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:47 | 3552612 jeff montanye
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reviewing the equally (and perhaps more originally) authoritarian and corrupt bush administration, heavily backed by the white folks from the interior/south, i'm not sure i see this strong support for the rule of law/constitution and integrity of government that you do. what i do see is the tribalism of different tribes.

one can only hope the whistleblowers are emboldened, but the uniquely vicious attacks by obama upon them asks much of their courage.  however they do exist. thank you sibel edmonds, bradley manning, andrew mcguire, et. al.

 

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 22:57 | 3552815 James_Cole
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reviewing the equally (and perhaps more originally) authoritarian and corrupt bush administration, heavily backed by the white folks from the interior/south, i'm not sure i see this strong support for the rule of law/constitution and integrity of government that you do. 

Speaking of fascists, Reagan's old buddy Rios Montt got sentenced for genocide (80 yrs) in Guatemala. Apparently a legal first for a country. 

United States has never really had any substantial interest in justice, democracy etc. (lots of lip service), but this is an interesting precedent to see some of these guys get in trouble for war crimes committed with the help of the US. 

Interestingly, Obama just met with the current leader of Guatemala who was actually closely involved with the rape / murder etc. of innocent men, women & children.

New boss, same as the old boss - on both sides. 

 

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 00:19 | 3552982 Ignatius
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Note also that Latin America is one place that has NOT participated in rendition and torture. Recent experience with that worn out plot, I suppose.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:57 | 3553492 Clark Bent
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If this is such a matter of utter indifference to you, one wonders why you choose to write. Or to introduce obscure names to smear the deceased President, in my view the last President we actually had that made any pretense to representing the country and not the ruling class. 

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 13:46 | 3553796 James_Cole
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If this is such a matter of utter indifference to you, one wonders why you choose to write.

It's obviously not a matter of indifference, it's encouraging to see progress being made prosecuting war criminals (not within the United States of course).

Or to introduce obscure names to smear the deceased President, in my view the last President we actually had that made any pretense to representing the country and not the ruling class. 

Obscure names only to the ignorant, look up Regans views of the man.

In any case, nothing I say about Reagan could further smear his abysmal legacy - it's all there in the record - up there with the worst human beings on the planet. Americans are wholly ignorant of their own history so Reagan is revered in the US, but that's simply a testament to brain washing & nothing to do with record.  

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:57 | 3552643 wisefool
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You are not old compared to some :) But thanks for being somebody to talk to. Was working with 60 year old equipment today, and glad to have it, 'cause I know how they had to do it 100 years ago.

Technolgogy makes power, 8oz. of gasoline can push 8 gallons of hydraulic fluid, that can lift 2,000 lbs and carry it anywhere you want to go. Cleptocratic Human Nature abhors a power vacum. It would have taken 4 guys all day to do what that tech did. So naturally we should put those 4 guys to work with a tax code, a badge and a gun. Furthermore,  it is important that their bosses can not do math.

To your point, I do not think there will be any civil unrest. It is simply not worth entertaining those 4 guys in any way shape or form. For all those midwestern and mountain states mystical pioneers you mentioned, the vast majority are hooked tighter to the tax code than the constitution, cause they are driving brand new gear and just starting the depreciation cycle. Ask anybody who has seen typical USDA form. The introductory reporting income levels are $0-$500,000, $500,000 - $1MM, $1MM+. (net) double the figures for gross income brackets.

The problem nor solution is civil unrest or constitutionality. The problem is that tax attorneys (as mentioned in this article) make far more money than engineers, scientists and many medical doctors. What profession would you suggest for your children? What will they suggest for their children? Who is going to invent things like the internet when the giants in Al Gore's generation retire? Bah, just being an old fart in good company.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 22:46 | 3552786 Mr. Magniloquent
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Your first mistake was believe that any of this began with Obama. That's the old fart thinking. Otherwise, you're on the correct path.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 22:59 | 3552825 Zigs
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I am from the Midwest and can report that many of the formerly "believing in integrity" folks out here are fat and lazy from feasting on the government teat. 

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 23:18 | 3552870 DoChenRollingBearing
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America has changed a lot.

Gold, bitchez.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 23:31 | 3552897 Freddie
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People need to wake up. It is far far worse than people imagine.  TV and Hollywoodwith their media buddies keep lying for Obama and are destroying the country.  If you still watch TV and Hollywood's shit then you support it.  Don't tell me "i only watch Fox Al Waleed" because everything on TV supports O. 

Your cable and sat TV bill divides the money up so you are supporting CNN, MSNBC, ABC/Disney, et al.  Keep going to Disney World or the other theme parks or cruise ships and you support it.

 

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 14:03 | 3553825 XOFnews
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I resemble that

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 08:35 | 3553274 gatorengineer
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You had me until rocky mountain states... You mean like tax the pot colorado, and never met an illegal I didnt like New Mexico?

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 08:44 | 3553285 imapopulistnow
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Yeh, I should have excluded the "rocky mountain high in Colorado" crowd.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 09:01 | 3553303 insanelysane
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It is not a racist thing at all.  It is about a government beauracracy becoming a monarchy of sorts where Washington insiders are Lords and Ladies, Dukes and Duchesses, Counts and Contesses.  The FED is printing money and giving it to elites so they can "legally" purchase all things of worth in the country.  Everyone else becomes a serf.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 08:44 | 3564200 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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"Am I just thinking like an old fart, or do we run the risk of something really bad happening?"

As one old fart to another, yes.

Just remember to blame the dog!

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 22:06 | 3552632 20834A
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I've been saying this to everyone I talk to- it's not fascism that is taking over America, it's totalitarian democracy. Please, please read these links and help spread real understanding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totalitarian_democracy

http://thecounterpunch.hubpages.com/hub/Totalitarian_democracy

 

 

 

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 22:53 | 3552809 Mr. Magniloquent
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You're splitting hairs. With Fascism, we have a "democratic" government that synergizes with corporations for mutual benefit at the expense of ordinary people. With Totalitarian Democracy, we have a "democratic" government that synergizes with corporations for mutual benefit at the expense of ordinary people. Does preference matter?

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 22:59 | 3552823 James_Cole
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Also called 'inverse totalitarianism.'

Totalitarian democracy has the same end in mind but is far more successful in its method. 

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 00:24 | 3552985 wisefool
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This is where Mitt Romney screwed up. His base always has been the tax free crowd. When you have that crew, why would you reject 47% of the population, who actually admire you?

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 01:40 | 3553065 sun tzu
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Because the parasites are obama's base

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 19:26 | 3554470 Ident 7777 economy
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This.

That goes for corporate cronyism too. All those guarteed loans to Solyndra and subsidies to Tesla et al.

 

Toss in ethanol subsidies to farmers as well.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 11:22 | 3553529 Everybodys All ...
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This is just the precursor to that end game. Sure it's got a hint of democracy right now but where are we heading. I think it's becoming clear unless the breaks are put on rather quickly.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 12:41 | 3553681 Kobe Beef
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I think Orwell hit it out of the park with Oligarchical Collectivism. It avoids the corruption, dissention, and misuse of labels past. After all, the Bolsheviks had their bankster backing, and so did the Nazis. Those totalitarians are dead and gone, but the Fabians running the USSA & the EUSSR have learned from their mistakes.

Sure, Oligarchical Collectivism has the optics of totalitarian democracy, but the Proles are not allowed to make any decisions regarding the predatory prerogatives of the Oligarchy: ie. war, banking, internal security, cartelization, etc. The National Security curtain slams down and democracy takes not one step further.

A prole may attempt to vote up his chocolate ration, to burden his neighbor, or which puppet will serve as President and sign the bills written by the Oligarchy, but that is all.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 01:22 | 3553019 Joe A
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Really? Krupp, IG Farben and others made use of cheap foreign labor called 'Arbeiteinsatz' and used slave laborers in concentration camps in Poland and other countries outside Germany. German workers were 'laid off' and sent to the front and replaced by foreign 'workers'. Was a real bargain and workers were expandable.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 01:41 | 3553066 Kinskian
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What happened to German unemployment between 1933-1938? The wartime economy was impressive in its own right, in that production continued to increase in spite of cities and factories bombed to ruins.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 02:23 | 3553091 Joe A
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Unemployment during 1933-38 decreased because the Nazis ran all sorts of public projects to which people could not get out of. It wasn't exactly voluntary.

There is no business like war business. Wartime economy was "impressive" because labor was really cheap.

Gee, it almost sounds like you admire their system

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 11:40 | 3553561 Kinskian
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Obama also funds public works projects, yet our unemployment rate remains high. More to the point, our road crews are staffed with illegal aliens while able bodied Americans are forced into unemployment, under employment and government assistance.

There was a nationalistic element to Fascism that is missing in the US system. Our system is globalist, hostile to nationalism and the ethnic majority ....and increasingly totalitarian.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 01:42 | 3553069 sun tzu
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You're an idiot. The Germans weren't laid off to be sent to the front to fight. They were drafted into the military due to fighting the US, GB, and USSR at the same time. Due to a shortage of workers, they imported slave labor. 

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 02:25 | 3553092 Joe A
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Read your own reply and conclude that you are the one who is an idiot, if you have the mental faculties for it.

I wrote 'laid off' and not laid off. The former implying an alternate meaning and the latter a literal meaning.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:10 | 3552504 greyghost
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damn, just when i was getting bored with benghazi. another story about this or that. i have believed since i was sixteen that the IRS was nothing more that an enforcer for the mob. what mob? whichever one is in power at the time. the texas mob...arkansas mob...chicago mob...calif mob...take your pick

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 00:11 | 3552970 walküre
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also commonly referred to as "legalized mafia" a.k.a. government

corruption may have been invented in Israel, imported to Italy and globalized by America.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 22:30 | 3552734 trentusa
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If the only censorship is preventing people from saying bad or mean things about other ZH bloggers then maybe that's ok. I've tried to participate in the blog here b4 and some people here are crazy so crazy i think they are trolls not real ZHeads. How about censoring MDB that guy is such a total pain in the ass oops my bad

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 20:30 | 3552397 freewolf7
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Respectfully disagree. More people are becoming aware. Fewer trust or watch MSM. More and more news is being disclosed and accepted. Sites like ZH and others are being accessed for information. People can only take in so much new information at a time, but over time, they can integrate it into their beliefs. Check ZH, pass it on. There will be events
that launch a series of changes, but the better informed and
connected, online and in person, the better it can go.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 20:31 | 3552405 ghandi
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Agree.

Time to turn the pitchforks into swords.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 20:57 | 3552474 11b40
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Yep....more folks are tuning in here - hence, the new anti-discrimination policies. Slowly, but surely, ZH is being pulled into the Matrix.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:44 | 3552594 ghandi
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Be positive brother.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 22:52 | 3552804 Henry Hub
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What are these new anti-discrimination policies that you speak of? Where can I read about them? So does this mean the end of Fight Club?

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 00:16 | 3552920 CompassionateFascist
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right hand column. fine print at bottom. I will translate: stay away from the "J" word. the "Z" word? maybe OK....maybe not. On thing for sure: TPTB have put ZH on notice.  

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 09:44 | 3553353 pods
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Yikes.  Seems the more attention ZH gets the more "the rules apply to us?"

It is what it is I guess.

Could be worse, Bonner's board at The Daily Reckoning just shut down.

TPTB have a LOT of money, (you can't help but have a lot of money when you conjue it up and lend it out at interest.)

I saw Tyler's post below and it makes sense that ZH could be bankrupt merely from the defending lawsuits from the comments section.

I'd rather there be a place where we can see real time information, even if that meant reading our comments twice before hitting save.

pods

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 23:36 | 3552907 Freddie
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F TV and F Hollywood.  Pull the plug or be a dumb serf who empowers these evil people.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 23:45 | 3552923 Comic of Just US
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Agreed. A few years ago, I was a reality tv watchiing and GMO eating sheep like the rest. Now I know that all the Presidents and Prime Ministers and the royals are little else but psychopath puppets. As I read more and more of the absolute insane nature of this system and learn about it, the more determined I get. All this rape and pillaging of the people has only emboldened me, and I'm ready to join like minded people in taking a stand.

I'm not gonna be going out aiming for some heads, but rest assured that I'm sticking my middle finger up to the system by not filing taxes, taking my money out of the system, educating others about this ponzi scheme and spending more time with family, friends and the community instead of slaving my time away trying to play keep up with the rat race.

Initially, I was afraid, but now, if these psychopaths insofar as try to step on the people's toes, I don't care about my life, we have to stand for something decent, and I'd rather be known as a person that stood up for what he believed in instead of being a coward who is cowering in a FEMA camp. I also think there are more who are like minded as well.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 01:17 | 3553040 stormsailor
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the public sucks-fuck hope  george carlin will be rated right up there with thomas jefferson, paine, etc. 100 years from now

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 09:36 | 3553346 Whatta
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We, as a free people, are fucked, plain and simple.

 

We are pussies. No one willing to step up to the plate to start the ball rolling.

Occupy Wall Street...*yawn*, "what's for dinner they are just a bunch of misguided parasite infested hippies". Benghazi...*yawn*, "hey a new Disney movie is coming out"

We collectively don't have the balls of a small village of the screaming towlehead "terrraists" that we are giving all our freedoms to.

If, as Dubya indicated, "they hate our freedoms", is the truth. They must be close to loving us now!!!

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:43 | 3552586 williambanzai7
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Slightly OT

As a matter of curiosity, I looked into the origins of the kabuki metaphor which most people use to describe an elaborate and oblique theatrical deception. It was interesting to me because kabuki was actually considered a subversive form of satirical entertainment often aimed at the power elite class of feudal Japan.

What I discovered is surprising. When kabuki was initially imported to the US, no one could understand what they were saying much less what the plays were about, so just about anything the press pundits could not understand was compared to kabuki.

To me the IRS situation is not kabuki, it is slapstick vaudeville and we all understand it all too well.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:47 | 3552608 ghandi
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Its all FUBAR.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:39 | 3552953 Jam Akin
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Interesting WB.  Thanks for the detail.  I have long said that the US 2 Party political system is "propaganda kabuki" meaning it is meant to divert public attention from what is going on behind the scenes.

Agree this IRS saga is slapstick - problem being if the average guy doen't play straight man he'll get slapped with a really big stick.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 19:51 | 3552317 buzzsaw99
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nixon = resigned

clinton = didn't resign

ken lay = in jail

jon corzine = not in jail

it gets worse with every administration

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 20:08 | 3552356 Fuku Ben
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Ken Lay - Dead due to stress causing his heart attack or he'd be in jail

&

Don't forget Ollie offered up as a scapegoat for Bush Sr. & Ronnie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKxjPYcSWeA

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 20:20 | 3552375 AssFire
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Martha Stewart public enemy #1

" a constitutional guarantee that a law shall not be unreasonable, arbitrary, or capricious."

Just applied capriciously.


Sat, 05/11/2013 - 20:30 | 3552400 redpill
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Skilling will be out in 6

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:16 | 3552519 Pure Evil
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If not sooner.

Maybe Obunghole will give him a pardon as he exits the WH.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:51 | 3552631 11b40
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Oops. Sorry, this was George Bush's buddy, not Obummer's.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 22:03 | 3552656 Pure Evil
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Don't matter, they're all criminals.

Obama might do Bush' buddy a favor, and he might not.

I said "maybe" he could get a pardon, I didn't say he would get one.

Plus, I was being facetiously, sardonically, sarcastic.

I'm Pure Evil, I don't have to be held to a higher standard.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 22:28 | 3552733 11b40
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Then you get a pass, Pure Evil. Excuse me. After all, there may others of your persuasion. If so, you could be a protected group, and I could be guilty of disparaging your collective selves. Since I don't want to be Zeroed out under the new anti-defamation rules, I hope you will accept my sincere apology, as well as the apologies of my ancestors- you know, in case we offended any other Pure Evils in past lives.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 23:17 | 3552864 Pure Evil
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Well, even though I was not at all offended by your slander, I took it upon myself to turn you in to the authorities.

I didn't turn you in to Tyler, oh no, I turned you in over at DHS.

Yes, when you see something, you must say something. So, for your punishment I suggested to Janet Napolitano that she head over to your house and hang her meat curtains in an extreme close proximity of your person. (Worse punishment than rats in cage.)

Now while you're being punished, I hope you'll contemplate your actions and reform yourself to become a New Soviet Citizenism.

FORWARD SOVIET!

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 23:19 | 3552877 DoChenRollingBearing
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Mr. Evil, you are in fine form tonight.  Thanks for coming by.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 22:28 | 3552735 Go Tribe
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It will become wholly and absurdly surreal when President Biden pardons former President Obama.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 22:50 | 3552802 DoChenRollingBearing
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Same if it's President Shillary.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 20:16 | 3554586 knukles
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Hah ha ha ha

SHe'll send him off to gitomoto with a few choice comments over an open mike.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 23:03 | 3552832 A Nanny Moose
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What makes you think he's leaving the W/H?

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 05:22 | 3553184 Urban Redneck
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The Farce must be maintained.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:25 | 3552541 XitSam
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Martha went to prison for lying to the FBI. Hillary lies to Congress and nothing. Yes, capricious.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:16 | 3552517 HulkHogan
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bush = lied us into war

obama = just put us into war w/o telling anyone

next president = kills a dozen "home-grown" terrorists (aka- preppers) with drones

president after that = kills everyone in Texas

then = ????

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:19 | 3552526 Pure Evil
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Then = import hundreds of millions of 3rd world losers to create their new feudal slave plantation.

North American Union is here to stay.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:38 | 3552576 KickIce
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Hey, Obama isn't done yet.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 17:30 | 3554217 TuPhat
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Surely they would ask all the illegals, OOPs, undocumented immigrants to leave before they kill us all?  Maybe that will give me a heads up.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 11:07 | 3553509 Clark Bent
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Anybody want take bets on whether Obama will resign? Or Hillary? You know, for the good of the country. 

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 19:54 | 3552323 freewolf7
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We are the game.
Divide. Conquer. Repeat.

Fa cube bernang key.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 20:43 | 3552439 Charles Nelson ...
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This is serious shit. A personal story as I work in Parasite City (DC) an have a very good friend who works for the ATF (non agent). He and I are still good friends but our friendship is definitely different since I've told him my opinions about the fed, both parties & gov't in general. He is a big gov't republican which I now despise.

About 8 months ago he had his 10 year review (I think it's common for federal workers). Anyway I was a person who he put on his list, so I met with a former agent who is retired and now a consultant who conducts the reviews.

All was fine and the guy seemed like a nice enough guy. We talked about communities in the Maryland area, my business, family, etc. then he got to talking politics and the tea party. Whoa! Fuckin scary! Had a sincere hatred for Ron Paul, the tea party, etc. He was a statist, but the worst kind, a government statist. I didn't say anything, just nodded and said, "I guess so".

Bottom line, the fuckers will stop at nothing, They crave power and will intimidate and use force to keep power.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 20:53 | 3552471 john39
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They have been indoctrinated to see individuals who stand up for justice and basic morality as an enemy threat. Agents of the system seem blind to the fact that system no longer ( if it ever did) represents justice or the people generally.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:46 | 3552606 Pure Evil
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You have to realize these people are brainwashed and constantly being fed propaganda via internal memo's and internal doctrine that speak ill of any political faction outside the D.C. Beltway two party system and imperial mentality.

And, any deviants of the party line are weeded out early if they don't have that particular mindset to begin with. Any that sneak through the gate and are found out later to have ideas antithetical to the established order are ostracized and denied promotion.

Look at the Obunghole cabinet. Do you think anyone whose beliefs that are diametrical to Dear Leader would have a snowballs chance in hell of serving in that position if they knew that person would stray from the plantation? The agenda has been set and only 'yes men', brown nosers, fellow travelers, and lap dogs are allowed.

Look what happened to David Stockman when he called Reagan's economic policies, Voodoo Economics.

Get with the progam man,

                  FORWARD SOVIET!

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 23:08 | 3552843 Henry Hub
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***Look at the Obunghole cabinet***

I think you have it backwards. Geithner, Lew, and dear little Penny Pritzker are all there to insure the our "boy" does what he's suppose to do. Obama is merely a tool of oligarchs and his cabinet actually answers to others not Obama.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 00:02 | 3552951 Colonel Klink
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Funny all members serving the tribe.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 02:32 | 3553109 francis_sawyer
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clowns run the circus...

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 05:30 | 3553186 Urban Redneck
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So the barack the dickless negro doesn't have the authority to fire underlings who disobey orders, or it just the balls to do so that he his lacking?

I'll give that his nose isn't very shiny, since its covered in oligarch fecal matter, but the policy is directed and dictated by the office holder, in this case Barack Obama.

 

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:50 | 3552624 KickIce
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DOD with similiar results.  Ditto with big pharma.

They like the game and really don't give a damn as long as the check cashs.

Same goes for welfare and the EBT cards.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 22:00 | 3552658 Radical Marijuana
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All parasites who are too degenerate to care if they kill their host.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 01:48 | 3553078 sun tzu
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Trust me, most federal employees feel the same way. They are power hungry goons. The police state government must be defunded.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 17:36 | 3554223 TuPhat
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Sorry posted in the wrong place.  I enjoy the comments on this thread.  Not too good at comments.  Old fartism I guess.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:08 | 3552498 philipat
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"a Kabuki Play staged to entertain and distract the electorate while serving the rich and wealthy".

It was actually invented by The British in its own days of Empire and it's called "Divide and Conquer".

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 09:14 | 3553315 Mr. Saxby
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I think it's more of a Bukkake Play and Joe Lunchbucket is the "star." Otherwise, you're absolutely correct in that partisan politics has deteriorated into a means to distract and polarize. The only significance left in labels like liberal and conservative is that they provide a means of categorizing an individual's favorite flavor of bullshit. Ever notice how bills that benefit corporations seem to slide right through Congress, regardless of which party holds the majority?

The question that needs to be asked is: Why is the MSM reporting this? They certainly have had no problem ignoring other scandals like Fast & Furious and the Andrew Maguire's testimony about JPM manipulating the silver market. I imagine that it has something to do with the fact that the government is chomping at the bit to label these right-wing groups as Domestic Terrorists.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 19:36 | 3552290 DeadFred
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Mainly curious, why now? It's been out there for years but now we get whistle blowers? Curiuos.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 19:49 | 3552313 Spigot
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Just In Time incrimination ... there is a plan being worked

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 00:32 | 3552996 Ignatius
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"...but now we get whistleblowers..."

Great point.  Just thinking of the others either gagged, jailed or ignored.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 19:45 | 3552304 Fuku Ben
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Anyone else catch the first comment before it was deleted?

That's the first suicide post I've seen since the new notice went out

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 19:59 | 3552329 A Lunatic
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What notice?

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 20:03 | 3552338 buzzsaw99
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the new notice on racism? what gives around here? People have been saying joo banker from the beginning. why the sudden sensitivity? maybe I should go back and flag all my old comments that use joo banker in a disparaging way?

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 20:26 | 3552388 Crisismode
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Uh - Oh.

 

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 20:37 | 3552420 freewolf7
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If I'm white, can I make fun of white people?

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:03 | 3552489 11b40
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Sure....white folk be free game.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 02:37 | 3553111 francis_sawyer
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If you're white... Your account will be terminated... Please report here for your re-education...

~~~

http://www.theroot.com/

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:07 | 3552497 kaiserhoff
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Sure, if you don't use standard English, because that's the way white people talk.

Biggest mistake Tyler ever made.  Bigotry is a two way street.

 

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 22:06 | 3552675 Pure Evil
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Well, let's find out.

Make some references to hillbillies and if we don't see your avatar after a few days we'll know you're done fer.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 23:04 | 3552837 Mr. Magniloquent
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Spoken in the grammar of a true Redneck. Take your suggestions elsewhere White Devil.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 23:21 | 3552880 Pure Evil
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I think you meant Blue Eyed White Devil, or am I paraphrasing Louis Farrakhan incorrectly?

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 20:39 | 3552427 seek
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I would imagine that enough "racist" comment density might get ZH flagged as an offensive site by advertisers. That could explain the sensitvity as it'd drastically impact ad revenue.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 20:58 | 3552478 Doctor of Reality
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I like a good joke, but offensive racism is always a bad idea. It almost only invites angry replies, and usually tends to cause people's emotions to get the best of them. Go to any family reunion and you'll likely see a wide range of idiots and genuses. If one race or another has differing concentrations of this or that ability, then so be it. So called "political correctness" was preceeded by real racism and hatred. It has caused well meaning jokes about racial stereotypes to become taboo... and it has especially derailed our ability to discuss FACTS about why the races differ in test scores, athletic ability and the like...

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 23:53 | 3552935 CompassionateFascist
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u, sir,  are in no danger of being audited by Lerner, Shulman and Co.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 05:36 | 3553188 Urban Redneck
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Fundamentalism is bad idea.

Nihilism is a bad idea.

Somewhere in between there might be a good idea.

 

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:10 | 3552488 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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All it takes is enough trolls (not sincere joo haters) flooding the comments with racist remarks that it dilutes the message and the high information which in turn keeps people from wanting to be read after the average person sees joo this joo that and goes why the fuck would I want to read this site. Don't think it isn't a common tactic to delegitimatize a web site/message board/irc chat server/social media etc. I don't envy the Tylers on this one it is damned if you damned if you don't. A little self policing goes a long way, freedom does require a certain degree of responsibility. There is also a little thing called context and that is where the fine line is...

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:29 | 3552551 HulkHogan
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I turn off ZH when all the jew this, black guys that topics come up. And I don't normally come back for a few days. I don't like that kind of talk at all.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 02:48 | 3553120 francis_sawyer
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I have an idea...

~~~

Maybe if ZH 'stopped' publishing threads about the US [non]Federal [non]Reserve, the banking industry, the MIC, current events in the ME, what Carl Ichan is up to, the revolving door between Goldman Sachs & Treasury, Eurocrats, Paul Krugman, Larry Summers, the 'CNBC 'shill of the day', Obama's cabinet appointees, the BIS, IMF, Comex, Bilderberg, etc.

The subject would never come up...

How about a nice thread about 'puppies'?

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 09:52 | 3553364 pods
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Speaking of puppies, if I mated a Black Lab with a Boxer, would it be racially insensitive if I called the puppies Black Boxers?

pods

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:40 | 3552583 nmewn
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"A little self policing goes a long way, freedom does require a certain degree of responsibility."

Plus one...and your statement of context and where that line is at.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 23:21 | 3552883 DoChenRollingBearing
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Yes, that is very true, great observation.  With freedom comes responsability.  + 1 to you both.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:47 | 3552602 Jugdish
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Fuck the "average person." Don't be niggardly in thinking. There are plenty of websites for the "average person" - Fox, CNN, Msnbc, whitehouse.gov, abc, BET, jewish singles, amputee porn sites, World Star hip hop, Nambla, can't the less than average zero hedgers have a place?

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 22:45 | 3552781 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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I thumbs upped you for using niggardly in proper context and as double entendre at the same time. Keep in mind as more people wake up from the matrix they are going to be looking for answers. This site is going to be one of those high information corridors which more people are turning towards for answers or at least information that isn't outright lies with some analysis to go along with it. Like it or not these days comments are part of the overall presentation, the news article is only the gateway in. They like that then the readers gravitate to the comments.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 04:36 | 3553166 enloe creek
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you forgot clown porn sites thise are pretty mainstream I think

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 11:27 | 3553545 Clark Bent
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Did you find that in the SEC directory of important sites? 

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 05:45 | 3553191 Urban Redneck
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The exact text of "freedom does require a certain degree of responsibility" reads as follows:

 

ICCPR 

Article 19

1. Everyone shall have the right to hold opinions without interference.

2. Everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of his choice.

3. The exercise of the rights provided for in paragraph 2 of this article carries with it special duties and responsibilities. It may therefore be subject to certain restrictions, but these shall only be such as are provided by law and are necessary:

(a) For respect of the rights or reputations of others;

(b) For the protection of national security or of public order (ordre public), or of public health or morals.

 

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/CCPR.aspx

 

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 13:33 | 3553776 g speed
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thumbs down--to many guesses on what is "protection of national security", public order etc. IMHO freedom of expression either is or it isn't. What you quoted isn't-- What it is is made for tort and smarmy totalitarian types.  

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 14:34 | 3553883 Urban Redneck
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Smarmy totalitarian types have relatively little need for laws, since they can execute their will with impunity in an environment of anarchy.  International treaties are not laws, so the wording is left intentionally vague in order to attract the greatest number of signatories to the treaty.  However, if defaming expression is left unrestricted by the local/national legislatures, then there is also no restraint on expression being used as an offensive weapon in pursuit of economic or political gain - of which there are countless examples  -- October 13, 1307 and Salem Witch Trials probably having the most resonance in modern culture.  

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:24 | 3552538 Room 101
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My pet theory is that the Tylers are trying to clean up this place for economic reasons.  To pretty it up and make it more "cool" and cutting edge  for the IPO.  Only beautiful posters need post.  Sorry buzzsaw.   

That leaves an interesting issue.  Who will be the underwriter for the IPO ya think?  The squid or the morgue?   

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:26 | 3552544 Room 101
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<--- The squid

<--- The morgue

Who will be the underwriter for the ZH IPO?

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 22:23 | 3552719 DoChenRollingBearing
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Squid, yes.  At 10:22 ET, 5 Squid, 0 Morgue.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 22:33 | 3552751 DirkDiggler11
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Maybe even BAC. One of the "Tyler's" may be trying to re-finance their crib and trying to cozy up to BAC or even Wells Fucku bank.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 00:38 | 3553002 Ignatius
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If it goes corporate... I don't even wanna think about that.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 13:37 | 3553787 g speed
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Maybe they are just shortning the comments section-- I have a in my head list of commentors that I just skip past cause I already now they are full of crap and a waste of time to read--just sayin

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 22:24 | 3552725 AlaricBalth
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IMO, A ZeroHedge IPO is not an viable option. The disclosure of confidential corporate information would have a detrimental effect on the spirit of the site. I also do not believe Tyler wants to manage this company to analyst expectations, analysts who are currently fair game for criticism on ZH. In addition, Sarbanes-Oxley compliance, quarterly reporting requirements and shareholder relations are all quite expensive and a general pain in the ass. Besides, if Tyler wants to cash out, selling to a single suitor will generally allow him a higher premium than going through an IPO.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 00:47 | 3553008 PlausibleDenial
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Really, I am not sure, but the most "readers" I have seen is about 55-60k for any one article.  This site is not understood by many including me (here for a while & leaning) so where would the ROI come from (I hate ending sentences in prepositions, but this rum is delicious) when an IPO is offered.  Do people actually click on any of these ads?  I don't.  So, maybe the Tylers are just tired of listening to the religious b/s as I am.  BTW, I love the word fuck.  So, if the Tylers banned fuck then I am out of here.  Otherwise, I don't think ZHers should feel offended by the racist warning. It does dilute the conversation.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 04:40 | 3553169 enloe creek
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 mike oxley. enemy of the world

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