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Now It's Britain's Turn To Choose

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From Mark Grant, author of Out Of The Box

Now Britan Will Choose And Hopefully Choose Wisely

“An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile—hoping it will eat him last.”


        -Winston Churchill

Next week the House of Commons is going to vote on whether to stay in the European Union. It will not be an up and down vote on the subject but it will carry the same weight. The moment has finally arrived; at least for the politicians, though not for the citizens yet. I would like to take a moment and remind Mr. Cameron of Mr. Churchill's famous quote; noted above.

Britain may have been an equal partner in the European Union at inception but now they are a vastly minimized member of the clan. The Brits congratulate themselves that they avoided a number of problems by keeping their own currency. I say to my cousins, "Don't be in such a hurry to pat yourselves on the back." The simple truth is the England should never have joined the European Union at all. It was a great mistake that they now pay for not just with their currency but with an outside group trying and somewhat succeeding in running their country. Regulation by regulation, directive by directive; the Germans gain control.

“If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”


       -Winston Churchill

I am not impolite but neither will I ignore the truth and dance around it in the name of proper European etiquette. I have been told, more than once, that it is not socially acceptable to mention the German past or what they are trying to do in the present. Yes, well, I am a tougher boy than that.

We do not even need to get to motivation. It is not necessary to undertake the tricky subject of just what the Germans are trying to accomplish. We can just remain on the surface and avoid that discussion. The simple truth is, for whatever reasons, that the Germans are totally in control of the European Union. Even France, once a partner, has been thrust aside. There are the Germans and then there is everyone else. The ball is called in Berlin and Brussels is just a front for the ambitions of the Germans and to think anything else is a colossal mistake.

If England does not wake up and recognize what is happening then it will be Neville Chamberlin all over again. Appeasement is never a good answer and today no war is threatened just financial domination. Over time, if Britain remains in the European Union, they will get pushed down into the mud, lose their ability to govern themselves, watch as their financial institutions get trampled by Frankfurt. The Germans will force them into a space presently occupied by Greece, Slovenia and Cyprus. Retribution for two World Wars will finally be won in Berlin.

In Europe today there are no tanks rumbling through the countryside. There are no bullets being fired across anyone's boundaries. What there is, however, is a war of domination and control being fought with money and the German's are winning the battle.

I will go further; there is no longer a European Union. The concept now exists just in name only. There is a German Reich and a bunch of appeased nations that cling to it. Money and trade are both the carrots and the sticks and Berlin uses both side of this coin effectively. It is a very clever ploy; Germany prospers as their neighbors suffer and the capital of a Continent is used to prop up the ambitions and lifestyle of a single nation.

Next week the British will decide for themselves as is their current right. However, my friends, if you decide incorrectly you may no longer be granted the right to make such a decision again as Brussels declares your right to decide "Verboten" sometime in the future. The directive may come from Belgium but the policy will be formulated in Berlin. Choose wisely now while you are still allowed to choose.


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Sat, 05/11/2013 - 10:56 | 3551285 xtop23
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If they leave the EU they're in for rough times.

If they stay in the EU they're in for nightmarish times.

Choose wisely Brits.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 11:13 | 3551314 Buckaroo Banzai
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"More than at any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly." -- Woody Allen

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 11:17 | 3551326 francis_sawyer
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"If England does not wake up and recognize what is happening then it will be Neville Chamberlin all over again. Appeasement is never a good answer and today no war is threatened just financial domination."


Couldn't agree more [metaphorically]

Just remember, per the new policy, to PLAY NICE people [with your comments below]...

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 12:10 | 3551450 giggler123
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On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero so who cares anyway?  I say quick is best, last thing one wants when committing suicide is failed attempts...

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 15:07 | 3551858 mkkby
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I fail to see how being a member of the EU is anything like the famous appeasement.  Can't they just remain a member and quit any time they find it inconvenient?  This just seems like the writer is hyperventilating.

Now for some history.  The appeasement wasn't a bad strategy for a variety of reasons. 

1 - You don't fight a war until/unless you are prepared.  This is basic tsun tsu.  So appeasement bought critical time to prepare. 

2 - During the appeasement, the enemy was fighting wars with others, thus weakening itself.  The longer the UK waited, the stronger they got and the weaker Germany got.  Churchill's quote is a lie.  It is not like feeding an alligator.  It is like watching insects bite the alligator.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 20:14 | 3552365 Ghordius
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hyperventilating indeed

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 15:00 | 3553919 BigJim
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Mark Grant appears not to understand the main problem for Greece, Cyprus, Slovenia, et al - they're dependent on German largesse (and its de facto control of the ECB's  print purse strings) if 'they' want to stay in the euro-zone.

Britain's not in the EZ; therefore, Germany cannot force austerity on them.

Yes, Britain's fucked, but not because of the big bad Bosch. Britain's fucked because its polity was hijacked by the banksters long ago, and will continue to be irrespective of EU membership, and because its electorate are socialist sheep who think it's possible for everyone to consume value by picking each other's pockets.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 04:18 | 3553158 tsouth
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Appeasement was dreadful, Germany was re-arming as fast as possible, Britain and France were not, so it was Germany who gained precious time by appeasement not the allies. France could have crushed Germany when hitler occupied the rhineland but they neglected to, granting hitler more respect from his generals for his political judgement.

During appeasement Germany wasn't fighting wars with others (the Luftwaffe was gaining extremely valuable experience in the Spanish civili war however...) that harmed Germany itself. Their powers grew rapidly in the mid to late 30s.

Britain and France couldn't believe they were already facing a repeat of the horrific Great War that scarred the entire continent with catastrophic losses of entire generations of young men- appeasement was not an evil strategy therefore but it turned out to be a wrong one.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 09:04 | 3553308 GaryNeville
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Farage will save us!!



: )


Sat, 05/11/2013 - 14:24 | 3551730 Tango in the Blight
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@Mark Grant:

Godwin's Law, you lose!

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 16:03 | 3551966 Dingleberry
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So tell me enlightened I supposed to feel sorry or concerned for Britain? Seeing how they are the spawn of all things financially catastrophic? For the entire world!?

Everyone knows "the City" is a den of lawlessness and immorality. If is the free trade zone for fraud & deceit. They are the ones that brought you AIG, Blythe and her shit, derivative scams, LBME, etc. etc. etc.

Fuck them.

At least the Germans produce shit the world wants to buy instead of coming up with innovative ways to steal from humanity.

Fuck them all.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:28 | 3552547 vic and blood
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By ganging up on Germany with other corrupt states, the British have postponed this reckoning for over a hundred years. Even after losing over 30% of territory, including African Colonies and the Eastern Provinces, Germany has made a comeback and is ready to assume the natural role of leader of Europe. As always, Germany dutifully stands as a bulwark against Russian aggression. Screw the stinking British. Go Germany!

By the way, the vaunted British Navy was unable to defeat the German Navy at Jutland. The British never tried to directly take on the German Navy, again.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 22:58 | 3552808 Lednbrass
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Ahh forget it, there is very little that can be said on any topic that somebody won't find offensive.

So long, and thanks for all the fish

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 18:24 | 3554338 frenzic
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I feel the same way.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 01:07 | 3553028 Sandmann
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The British never tried to directly take on the German Navy, again.


The Kriegsmarine never put to sea again except to scuttle itself at Scapa Flow

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 04:09 | 3553154 tsouth
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Idiot, the Germans never put to sea again and became a fleet in being, merely tying down the royal navy's resources in blockade. Jutland was a small tactical victory for Germany as they were fleeing for home as they sunk slightly more ships than they lost. Hard to take on a navy that stays in port.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 09:21 | 3553327 Dugald
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The British never tried to directly take on the German Navy, again.

What was there left to take on?????? 

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 10:57 | 3551287 Inthemix96
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Sorry Tyler, I live here, and am an avid fan of news from here to the world over, thats how I found ZH.

Nothing of the sort will happen, they dont listen to us plebs, same as your lot could give two fucks about you lot.

We stay in the EU, wether you or I like it.

God damn mother fucking thieving peodophile bastards.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 10:59 | 3551292 BoNeSxxx
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Yep... just another puppet show for the huddled masses.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 11:09 | 3551310 kliguy38
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urumphhh.......urumphh.....chin up lad.....the Queen Mother knows best for you......just look at her own family.....that narrow eyed floppy eared decadent pile of shit Charles is what she is leaving you.......cheeryO......carry on

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 11:19 | 3551328 francis_sawyer
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Umm... I think those remarks qualify as 'disparaging'... I might have to report everybody to the THOUGHT CRIME COMMITTEE...

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 19:51 | 3552302 Pure Evil
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Yep, its only a matter of time before we all turn each other in for the express purpose of saving our own skins.

Does anyone know the number to DHS.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 11:41 | 3551381 Buckaroo Banzai
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Really? It's the Germans we're going to blame for what the EU has become? Just because the Germans have figured out how to be the least-worst off under this ridiculous regime doesn't mean they are responsible for the underlying problems.

The Germans are at the geographic center of Europe, which puts them in a uniquely advantaged physical position. Plus, they are really good at running things in general. The fear of the Germans taking over Europe led directly to WW1 and WW2. The EU was created to keep the Germans down by peaceful means, but damned if they didn't stay down a third time either.

There is a giant spiritual and moral vacuum in Europe, and has been for over a century now. That's the real problem.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 12:08 | 3551441 myblueshades
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Ze Germans are at ze gates!
Sat, 05/11/2013 - 12:35 | 3551490 bank guy in Brussels
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Germans are 'running things' because they and the EU have become a proxy for the bankster class ... as ZeroHedge has pointed out, no bank has sold more 'weapons of financial mass destruction' derivatives than Deutsche Bank, north of 75 trillion. The EU financial house of cards centres on German banks, insurers and pension funds.

But the EU is such a flimsy mechanism really, that the core problem should be obvious ... it is not so much the 'Germans running things' (tho they are certainly getting brutal, selfish, cruel and nasty) ...

It is rather the traitors and quislings in other EU countries, who betray their own people, to let the Germans - EU - bankster Troika run things. (Much like the USA is run by fascist families who long ago sold out the American people.)

It is, for example, the traitorous government in Greece, who tragically allow Greek children to go hungry, begging other schoolchildren for food on schoolday mornings ... while taxes collected go to pay the Troika and banks and bondholders

As people in Europe escalate their demonstrating and rioting, the better focus of anger and hatred would be, not 'the Germans' (who yet do deserve scorn), but rather their own quisling governments, in Cyprus, Greece, Spain, Portugal (and Ireland too) ... their own traitorously corrupt leaders who are submitting to the EU - Troika extortions and mauling of their populations

EU leaders in the Mediterranean who serve the EU, banks, the Troika and the Germans, while local children beg their schoolmates for food, should ponder the December 1989 death of Romania's Nicolae and Elena Ceausescu in a hail of executioners' bullets. Or the similar fate of Vidkun Quisling himself before a Norwegian firing squad in April 1946.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 13:25 | 3551600 Fuh Querada
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+100 All very true. Check out how much of the EU "loans" end up in the bank accounts of the political parties in the PIIGS. You can be certain that the political classes are offered "inducements" to lick the Troika's balls and "disincentives" to act contrarily, You have to ask - why otherwise is Greece still in the EU?
The DB derivatives book explains every detail of EU fiscal and monetary "policy" and cannot be emphasized enough.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 14:07 | 3551690 Acet
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It's the fatal flaw of the modern Briton to allways blame it on the foreigners. This is why after almost two centuries of growth and prosperity, the UK has spend the last 50 rotting and decaying from the inside.

There is a corrupt, calcified social system in the UK that keeps the reins of power and wealth in the hands of a certain inept but well-connected elite (locals, not foreigners) and yet the typical British plebe just picks up the cues from a press owned by a very small number of members of the elite and rages against the EU, all the while getting shafted by their own countrymen.


Sat, 05/11/2013 - 15:06 | 3551857 Jack Burton
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I agree. The British Press, and I read it daily, IS a huge problem. They are masters of brainwashing and diversion. They have turned Brits into either ignorant twats or mind altered supporters of the establishment.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 19:38 | 3552295 imaginalis
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Sun, 05/12/2013 - 07:48 | 3553244 GCT
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Kinda sorta like the media here in the USA Jack!  I read the British press as well. 

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 14:28 | 3551736 JimmyRainbow
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everyone outside Deutsche Bank sees it as a german instrument

everyone inside Deutsche Bank knows that all memos are approved by The City

(for investment/wholesale, not retail)

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 14:49 | 3551812 FeralSerf
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The German banker/industrialists, like their Goldman Sachs cousins, are very good at bribery. When the average lying, stealing, cheating Greek, Italian, Spanish, etc. politician is offered the keys to the new BMW in exchange for selling out his countrymen, he does what comes naturally. He also has been assured that when it comes time to retire from public "service" he will have appropriate foreign digs so that he need not face the ire or firing squad of his fellow citizens.

American, north and south, and British politicians are no different.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 18:32 | 3552203 klockwerks
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The people in Greece elected who they wanted and as par for the course, they took advantage of the power. The people elected the person who promised them more free stuff and the leaders took advantage of the sheeple stupidty. Looks to me like there is blame on all sides.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 20:25 | 3552384 Ghordius
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did a "brutal, selfish, cruel and nasty" German bite you? Is it infectious?

the starving Greek schoolchildren story is beneath you, btw

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 12:36 | 3551492 Balanced Integer
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Indeed. The European Union was always going to revolve around an axis of Berlin and Paris. The axis became a tug-of-war, and damned if the Germans aren't ending up with the most rope. You can;t blame the Germans for playing the game and winning.

That said, the EU is a flawed project at best. It needs to be flushed.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 13:00 | 3551543 DogOfSinope
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Nope. WWI started because Austria "annected" (read: forcefuly occupied) Bosnia and then attacked Serbia on false accusation of it being involved in the killing of Bosnia occupator crown prince Ferdinand (who would expect that?). Austrians were humiliated by small Serbia on the battlefield two times until end of 1915 (they are still a bit of a "fuck you!" nation...), when Germany attacked Serbia, too.

WWII started when Germany attacked Poland on fabricated grounds.

Another proof of the new German hegemony: trying to rewrite history!

So, Germans - we know you and we watch you! Next time we won't split you in two but in 50 states. Think about it.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 14:38 | 3551768 FeralSerf
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WWI started because of the alliances between Austria and Germany and between France and Russia. Germany had no possibility of a military success over France/Russia unless she attacked France swiftly before the Russians could mobilize. Germany's choice was either attack (via Belgium, the only way to France) or start learning French and Russian.

The assassination of Archduke Ferdinand was merely the (convenient Zionist) spark. The gun was already locked and loaded by these alliances.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 15:09 | 3551864 DogOfSinope
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Correct, though I'm not sure what Zionist had t do with it.
Also, the navy arms race between UK and Germany had nothing to do with it, right? ;-)

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 16:23 | 3552008 FeralSerf
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The First World War

By William G. Simpson

"But lest this seem too cloak-and-daggerish, and too full of mere suggestion and suspicion, let me now proceed to set down known facts.

Everything is ready. The U.S., with the Federal Reserve firmly fastened upon it, has been yoked for the decisive part it is to play. And Europe itself, beneath its surface, is a fierce welter of fears and hates and murderous passions. The long-standing conspiracy between France and Russia for the destruction of Germany has done its work: they know each other.237 It has long been recognized that the Balkans are “the powder keg of Europe.” Serbia in particular is the readied percussion cap, needing only to be struck to set off an earth-rocking explosion. And plans have been laid to have it struck. In 1912, the Revue internationale des societes secretes (i.e., The International Review of Secret Societies) published a few prophetic words by a high Swiss Freemason in regard to Franz Ferdinand, heir to the throne of Austria, to which Serbia was subject: “He is a remarkable man; it is a pity that he is condemned, he will die on the steps of his throne.” 238 Within two years the Archduke and his wife were assassinated by several Serbian Freemasons. The fatal shots were fired by one Princip, a Jew.239 This assassination “served as the spark which lit the conflagration in Europe.” 240

Professor Fay reviews the shorthand record of the trial of the young assassins in November 1914, which he declared “a fascinating human document” and pronounced “full and fair.” 241 One of them testified that “the Freemasons had already condemned to death the heir to the throne two years ago,” and again, “In Freemasonry it is permitted to kill.” 242 He describes the “Black Hand” terrorist organization for achieving the freedom of Serbia. Machinery was already installed by which Freemasons, plotting in Belgrade, under secret orders from unindentified Masons yet higher up in Vienna (or for that matter, in Paris or St. Petersburg) could step in and use the Serbian feud with Austria to start a world war for ends of their own.

He recounts the formation of the conspiracy. But the plot was actually hatched in France, at Toulouse, where three of the terrorists met in January 1914. Here one of them “came into direct touch with various Russian revolutionists, including Trotsky.” 243 The purpose in going to France was—it would seem manifest—to meet the men “higher up” who would decide who was to be killed, and when and where, and who would provide the necessary money and arms.

 What I have been implying is that I believe the Jews started the war. And after the evidence that I have already submitted, perhaps this will not strike my readers as too farfetched. But I will add that Henry Ford put it on record that some “very prominent” Jews insisted, in conversation with him, that it was their own people who contrived the war, precipitated it, and so controlled it that it would stop only when they wanted it stopped."



Sun, 05/12/2013 - 01:13 | 3553037 Sandmann
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WW1 started because the British joined an alliance whereas they had been a free agent until the Liberals were elected in 1906

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 16:28 | 3552015 schatzi
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Lulz, let me guess: a Serbian (or at least some roots) with a massive chip on the shoulder. Tell me how you are coming to terms with your country's very recent history of attempted genocide on its much smaller and weaker neighbours, yet ended up getting kicked in the backside and landing hard on your arse. Sadly Serbia is too small to even be split in two.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 14:19 | 3553856 DogOfSinope
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Lulz, let me guess: German skinhead with an "Mein Kampf" copy under pillow?
The only genocide ever committed in Balkans was committed by Germans - twice. No one there buys your propaganda anymore.
Maybe Serbia is small, but still gave a finger to your Reich dream twice. And, will do it again.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 19:28 | 3552279 koperniuk666
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Drivel - The EU was NOT created to keep the germans down by peaceful means 

It is a TRADING BLOCK> nothing to do with wars or peace or germans. dont repeat EU propaganda. READ Article 2

and 'geographic center' is very subjective and irrelevant anyway

The Union shall set itself the following objectives:



to promote economic and social progress and a high level of employment and to achieve balanced and sustainable development, in particular through the creation of an area without internal frontiers, through the strengthening of economic and social cohesion and through the establishment of economic and monetary union, ultimately including a single currency in accordance with the provisions of this Treaty,



to assert its identity on the international scene, in particular through the implementation of a common foreign and security policy including the progressive framing of a common defence policy, which might lead to a common defence, in accordance with the provisions of Article 17,



to strengthen the protection of the rights and interests of the nationals of its Member States through the introduction of a citizenship of the Union,



to maintain and develop the Union as an area of freedom, security and justice, in which the free movement of persons is assured in conjunction with appropriate measures with respect to external border controls, asylum, immigration and the prevention and combating of crime,



to maintain in full the acquis communautaire and build on it with a view to considering to what extent the policies and forms of cooperation introduced by this Treaty may need to be revised with the aim of ensuring the effectiveness of the mechanisms and the institutions of the Community.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 04:27 | 3553163 tsouth
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Got to agree with buckaroo, the eu was designed to hold the deutschys in check. The French were terrified of ze Germans and ze Germans are terrified of themselves (what they're capable of..). No-one likes the Brits because they can't get across that pesky stretch of water.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 18:46 | 3552224 Fíréan
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The British royal family are of German descent, didn't you know. " The Windsors were of House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, and the Mountbatton from the Battenberg family.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 20:30 | 3552403 Ghordius
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German descent? Ain't nearly half of many US State's white's of it?

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 01:10 | 3553033 Sandmann
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So is the Belgian Monarchy

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 13:45 | 3551647 Dyhana
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Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way
The time is gone, the song is over,
Thought I'd something more to say.  PINK FLOYD

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 15:59 | 3551959 Hulk
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Cold hearted orb that rules the night,
removes the colours from our sight.
Red is grey, and yellow, white,
but we decide which is right,
and which is an illusion.

Damn, those bands from the 60's and 70's had a little Nostradamus in them...

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 07:24 | 3553230 Dyhana
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Mind expanding drugs....

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 16:40 | 3552038 Rustysilver
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Tell us how you feel. British subjects don't get to decide anything. I live in London for about 4 years. Talk about rigid society. Every TV show is filmed around August 1914; the peak of empire.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 10:58 | 3551290 gorillaonyourback
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Beware little hans he still remembers versailles. Anyway fuck the british monarchy and upper class sad for the workin class

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 12:45 | 3551513 _underscore
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In reality, it's the Germans who are becoming dominated - just as they were up to WW1, then again up to WW2.  The banking elite (we all know who we're referring to here) work from London, where it's safe, and the plan is to obtain financial domination over Germany & Europe - the first big shot out in the open in the war was in 2007, entirely engineered & planned by London centre.

The Germans know they can out-make the UK - and no argument here about that - what they can't do is out-finance London (the FTT was a small shot at that, btw) & this is what will overwhelm them.

People often call the UK & the USA the 'WASPS' - well that's wrong - the UK is not Anglo-Saxon at elite level it's Norman. The Germans are Anglo-Saxon (The Angles & the Saxons were/are Germanic tribes), the only

part of the UK that is Anglo-Saxon is the House of Windsor (or to give them their real name, House of Saxe-Coburg - cousins to the Kaisers & Tsars).


Germany is fighting a battle for cultural & economic survival, their EU experiment is fraying (literally) at the edges & time is running out for them to co-opt the UK & defeat its banksters.

The apochryphal saying, "Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws." (remember who said that?) is not accidental, nor meaningless. The Euro's survival is the modern-day Battle of the Bulge.




Sat, 05/11/2013 - 14:28 | 3551727 Lost Word
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WASP is a relatively new term, especially since Protestant.

Rothschild family was from Germany but scattered later in Austria, France, England,

Other German Jew family bankers also obviously not WASP.

Ordinary common majority of people of UK and USA were mostly of Anglo Saxon ancestry, after 5th century conquests, but also included minorities of Welsh, Scottish, with later invasions of Danes and Normans.

UK royalty and nobility since 1066 were originally Norman and French ancestry, and the UK royal family soon married some German royal family daughters, but some Norman French nobility married Anglo Saxon and Welsh and Scottish and Irish landed gentry daughters, thus subsequently a mixed ancestry, and same mixed ancestry of the wealthy immigrants to USA, but the less wealthy immigrants were mostly WASP, along with some Welsh, Scottish, Irish, and also European early immigrants to USA of Dutch, French, and German ancestry.

WASP therefore a term of convenience for UK and USA white Protestants of Northern European ancestry.

Both UK and German and USA WASP banksters elite and Freemasons allied with Jewish banksters.

Jew World Order plan : Divide and Conquer and Destroy everyone else.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 16:42 | 3552042 Rustysilver
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Lost Word,

My understanding is that Rothschild had 4 sons and send them to major European capitols to start banking business.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 19:33 | 3552286 koperniuk666
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you clearly havent been to london. the 'elite' are made up of every single race and nationality of the globe as is the general population of london. but if i had to pick out an over represented group in the 'elite' i would probably pick indians. = so what happens to your anglo saxon theory?

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 01:09 | 3553031 Sandmann
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The Elite is remarkably homogeneous with a French/Dutch/Jewish element in the English hierarchy of Eton, Winchester, Harrow, St Paul's, Westminster etc

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 17:26 | 3552116 Apostate2
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Mummy told little Hans to stop playing with his widdler.


Sat, 05/11/2013 - 11:00 | 3551295 holgerdanske
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The bloody Germans. All smiles and nods, at the moment. But wait until someone plays a bit of military brass, and they will all walk in goosesteps. It must be genetic?!

The Swiss used to say there would be peace when the last Russian and the Last German killed each other.

That never came to pass.


Thus no peace, I guess

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 11:21 | 3551331 francis_sawyer
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Tylers... ^^^ sounds pretty rayciss to me... I'm offended...

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 11:41 | 3551383 AnAnonymous
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'Americans' and their race card. Enough to introduce some rules about race and suddenly, 'americans' show how hooked on power they are. They must control that bit of rule.

The way 'americans' are.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 12:39 | 3551499 Balanced Integer
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Right. Because the Chinese don't believe in their racial superiority at all. But the real question is...does one go long or short rice to prosper in this enviorment?

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 15:04 | 3551850 AnAnonymous
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The Chinese do not believe in racial superiority.

Chinese is not a race, it is a nationality.

Racism was institutionalized by 'americans'.

Now 'americans' in any race must promote some kind of racial superiority since racism is embedded in 'americanism'.

Seeing racism where it is not is one of the hallmark of 'americans'

Racism must be something natural to human beings to fit the fantasical 'american' perspectives.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 15:08 | 3551861 akak
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The Chinese do not believe in racial superiority.

Of course.  That explains their xenophobic tradition of referring to all non-Han Chinese as "foreign devils".

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 15:12 | 3551872 AnAnonymous
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Xenophobia is racism now?

Oh, wait. It is a classical 'american' trick to dismiss what racism is and removes the focus on the fact that 'americans' are the ones who institutionalized racism, making it a durable social dimension.

But, hey, 'americans' are able to admit their responsibility.

It is well known.

'Americans', you cant make them up.

People probably cant figure out how duplicitous a human being can be before encountering an 'american'.

The way 'americanism' works.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 15:14 | 3551875 akak
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Racism is you.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 16:16 | 3551987 francis_sawyer
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'RACISM' is... whatever the [khaki pants clad] SUPERCOMMITTEE deems it to be...

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 18:27 | 3552199 noless
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The only members of the initial bolshevik communist committee to not be assassinated were the chairman, and the heads of the transportation and racial relations commities. I think there were a total of twelve positions excluding the chairmans.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 15:28 | 3551910 holgerdanske
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After a century or more on opium, I think the term "foreign devils" is quite apt, if not an understatement.

Call a spade a spade and let's not try pretend it is a silver spoon.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 16:44 | 3552050 Rustysilver
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So call racisim existed before America did.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 17:22 | 3552110 Apostate2
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For shame, you are losing your edge as well as your posturing. Read the nationality laws of the PRC you little fraud.

Better up your game, at least for entertainment value.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 14:34 | 3551762 Lost Word
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Funny how French and German Swiss forgot about Napoleon and French conquest of Europe, until the French reached Russia.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 14:35 | 3551766 JimmyRainbow
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300 000 + left armed.

no way someone starts a war, more like easy prey for the hungry masses all around

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 16:34 | 3552028 schatzi
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Yes, it must be genetic. FFS, this place is a containment basin for every tin-foil hat wearing ignorant arsehole with an inkling of interest in financial markets. I sometimes end up making the mistake of reading the drivel that gets posted here. My bad, won't happen again so soon.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 11:03 | 3551301 Racer
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Why on earth can't the people decide on such an important issue??????

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 11:04 | 3551303 Racer
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The UK lost because of the wars because they put money into war machines following them which the Germans could not do and they were far better off as a result

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 11:16 | 3551324 IPA
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Sat, 05/11/2013 - 11:05 | 3551304 JustPrintMoreDuh
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Widerstand ist zwecklos!

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 11:16 | 3551322 holgerdanske
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Verstand is wieder los!

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 11:21 | 3551332 Kirk2NCC1701
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Und Argumente sind sinnlos.  Bereitet euch vor fuer Uebernahme.  Wir sind der...Roter Schild Verein.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 11:06 | 3551307 Frastric
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What British sovereignty? British bankers run Britain and the rest of the world via fractional reserve banking.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 11:23 | 3551340 francis_sawyer
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In 'fractional reserve banking', THE MONEY PRINTS ITSELF... There are no 'bankers', or people responsible for that...

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 11:39 | 3551379 Frastric
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Correction the DEBT prints itself! Nearly all newly issued money is debt.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 11:53 | 3551406 francis_sawyer
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Geniuses we have here on the new, 'YOU ARE YOUR FUCKING KHAKIS, ZH!'...

So now I default to the BELOW comment that... the... [cough] DEBT... prints itself [by way of a curious phenomenon that limestone edifices possess on their 'STONE DNA']...

If I happened to offend any LIMESTONE by that comment, I ask for your forgiveness...

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 11:55 | 3551422 Winston Churchill
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Blacks Legal dictionary. Money= a store of value.

I believe you are talking of fiat currency.

If we cannot even agree on definitions,how can we convince anybody of anything ?

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 12:04 | 3551433 francis_sawyer
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Let's find about about 'definitions' then, shall we?... Let's hear it straight from the [khaki wearing] experts mouth...


"Is Gold money?" [Ron Paul to Ben Bernanke]...

"Who owns the Federal Reserve?" [Ron Paul to Ben Bernanke]...

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 14:38 | 3551779 Lost Word
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Could you summarize the YouTube answer ?

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 14:24 | 3551729 FeralSerf
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Isn't prime farmland (or gold) a store of value? Then wouldn't a note or instrument of debt on said farmland (or gold) be store of value if the creditor has a real possibility of foreclosing on that note and owning said farmland (or gold)?

This is not to say the note has the same value as the security, but it very often has some value.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 20:18 | 3552374 Parrotile
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Mankind's only REAL long term, intergenerational "Store of Value" is the Written Word.

The ability to pass complex information to future generations and to others (with a high degree of fidelity) has made us what we are.

Not gold, silver, Stocks, Bonds or whatever - ONLY INFORMATION.

That's why the National Libraries are far, far more important than the Central / National Banks. Without information repositories we really are back to the Middle Ages or worse.

Proof? Consider the very significant leaps in knowledge (and application of this knowledge) since the birth of the Information Technology era. Our current development era isn't called "The Information Age" for nothing!


Sat, 05/11/2013 - 11:12 | 3551313 Bourbonite
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The Brits are way too (un)comfortably numb to leave the EU, as are the Scottish to leave the Union. It would be the best move for both to make, but alas I fear it will take another 10/15 years before there is a real chance if either. Another crash will come first.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 11:13 | 3551315 Inthemix96
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And another thing, the big three parties here are scared shitless by the up surge of the party UKIP, who on a thirty percent turn out garnered 25% of the vote.

I have said this for a while here, people are waking up, and waking up real time, we are making progress, lets ram the message home, and lets give these self-serving bastards a bit time of reflection to see we are fucked right off and want real change.

Without the UKIP vote, these fucking criminals would not even blink never mind bring the subject up of our continued involvement in a failed experiment called EU.

Lets bring these fuckers down, lets give these cunts war.

Another fucking rant off......

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 11:53 | 3551416 Buckaroo Banzai
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25% is great, but it's a long fucking way from 25% to 51%. Britain has been a welfare state for over a century now. There are a shit-ton of freeloaders that like things exactly the way they are. Not to mention a huge minority of muzzies who have their own agenda which basically revolves around destroying what remains of British culture and turning the country into a Muslim state.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 12:29 | 3551484 absente reo
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51%?  You don't need 51% to form a government in a UK General Election.  Maybe 30-35%, somewhere around that level.

Yes, there are freeloaders.  Yes, we have a bloated State.  And yes, UKIP would want to address both those issues.

But home is where the heart is; I love my country and with all its faults believe it to be the best in the world, as hopefully for your sake do you yours.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 12:42 | 3551504 bank guy in Brussels
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Major negative material on Nigel Farage on his UKIP party ... yes, great re the EU ... BUT they are pro-ZIonist war-mongering fanatics ... Nigel an associate of the Rothschilds ... and UKIP is brutal toward any dissidents to such UKIP nonsense.

From an article on how UKIP is another false dawn of 'hope and change':

« The breakthrough by UKIP, however, is not entirely good news. The party claims “Israel has maintained an impeccable human rights record” and seeks to cement “true friendship” with its hoodlums. UKIP seems indifferent to the fact that Israel possesses hundreds of nuclear warheads (and the means to deliver them), menaces the whole region (and Europe) and defies calls to sign up to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and place its nuclear facilities under comprehensive IAEA safeguards. Yet UKIP believes a nuclear Iran would be unacceptable, and says it would support efforts to eliminate Iran’s nuclear weapons capability by “military means”.

UKIP is so bonkers about Israel that it rejects calls for the suspension of trade deals such as the EU-Israel Association Agreement, apparently seeing no need for the racist entity to show “respect for human rights and democratic principles” as set out in that Agreement.

Not surprisingly UKIP’s leader Nigel Farage has been described by the Jewish Chronicle as “a good friend of Israel”. And, naturally, UKIP has a Friends of Israel group which proclaims: “Despite constant assault from within and without, Israel has maintained an impeccable human rights record and remains the only country in the Middle East to extend full civil and political rights to all of its citizens, regardless of race or religion. Yet somehow it is cast as the oppressor, vilified as an ‘apartheid state’ and singled out for disproportionate criticism.

“Decades of malicious propaganda campaigns have seen to it that a one-sided historical narrative which portrays the Palestinians as blameless victims now successfully masquerades as reality…”

People who joined, then left UKIP say it’s corrupt and run on Stalinistic lines. So UKIP are not the loveliest people to have around… and certainly not the sort you’d want actually running your country. »

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 14:16 | 3551710 FeralSerf
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Divide and Conquer. Hegel would be proud!

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 14:43 | 3551792 Lost Word
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Hopefully the UKIP number of members of Parliament would be more nationalist like the UKIP voters, and not follow the Establishment leaders.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 16:50 | 3552057 Rustysilver
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bank guy,

Thanks for hanging around here and setting things straight.  It has been over 20 years that I spend anytime in Europe.  I am guessing things have not changed.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:00 | 3552482 i-dog
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Spot on, BGIB!

UKIP has more than just Farage as Zionists in sheep's clothing. There are many Jesuits in deep cover in UKIP.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 12:57 | 3551539 Buckaroo Banzai
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Minority governments are bullshit governments that can't get anything done. You will need at least 51% to have a hope of enacting any real change.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 14:20 | 3551722 css1971
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No, you don't understand. With as little as I think about 25% of the popular vote if you hit the right constituencies, you can gain a majority in the House of Commons. Typically all that a government has is about 35% of the popular vote, but they get a working majority in government. It's been this way for decades, I don't remember the last time the government got more than 50%.

That's First Past The Post for you.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 15:11 | 3551869 Rip van Wrinkle
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css is right Buckeroo.


There hasn't been a UK government in living memory that has received anywhere near 50% of the vote, never mind 50% of the elctorate.


That's UKIP's problem. They can get 23% of the vote and not win one Parliamentary seat!! In some constituencies, the sheep would vote for a dead pig as long as it had a red rosette (Labour) or a blue rosette (Tory). They weigh the vote, they don't count it.


But one thing that is put out is that UKIP only garner support from ex-Tories. There are many Labour supporters who will also give their vote to UKIP, not necessarily to do with the EU but mass, unlimited immigration that makes you in the US look as if they have closed borders.


The tide is turning here. UKIP supporters are called 'waycist', 'Little Englanders', bigots', you name it. 23% in the last election just said 'fuck you, I don't care what you call me'. A lot more will join the chorus. The existing political and media cabal are shitting their pants.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 15:26 | 3551902 Buckaroo Banzai
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"There hasn't been a UK government in living memory that has received anywhere near 50% of the vote, never mind 50% of the elctorate."

You are making my point for me. Minority governments have merely accelerated the slide downwards into oblivion.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 16:53 | 3552066 Rustysilver
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Rip van Wrinkle,

As in US, the issue is where your votes are.  UKIP voter are cluster in few areas, not uniformly of the country.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 20:40 | 3552428 Ghordius
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FPTP voting system

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 12:48 | 3551466 holgerdanske
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Ah UKIP and Mr Farage! Anyone who has not yet seen his direct, sharp humorous and merciless whipping of the pompous bastards in the EU Parliament, should try and look him up on You Tube. Worth all the money. Promise!

He would ge my vote, if I lived in that lousy country, (here talking about the weather!!)


It is like the fight between good and evil in "Lord of the rings".

try this for size!

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 13:30 | 3551613 Fuh Querada
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Ask yourself - why does Mr Farage remain unscathed ? He must have powerful connections.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 14:46 | 3551799 Lost Word
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Until he becomes more than a Diversion ?

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 15:28 | 3551909 Buckaroo Banzai
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Bingo. Then he will die of a "heart attack", or in a plane crash, or a one-car automobile accident. Or he will "commit suicide" by hanging, or by two shots in the back of the head. Or he will be found in bed with a live boy, or a dead girl.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 15:28 | 3551912 Urban Redneck
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Everyone in the ruling class has powerful connections.

Not everyone in the ruling class walks away from plane, yacht, and car accidents. 

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 11:16 | 3551317 q99x2
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Blame it on the Germans. Blame it on the Germans. Blame it on the Germans.

It is not the banksters its the Germans. Its not the banksters its the politicians.

It the gang of Central banks. GS the Morgue and the rest.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 11:25 | 3551344 francis_sawyer
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That's right... It's the CENTRAL BANKS... More specifically ~ it is the limestone edifices [such as the 'Marriner Eccles' building]... There are no people involved...

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 14:50 | 3551816 Lost Word
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Gang implied gangsters banksters, the people working for the Bank System.

Just like Church is more than buildings, but includes the people and their religious beliefs.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 11:16 | 3551318 THE DORK OF CORK
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The big bang was a result of German & French scarcity policies post 1980 ~


The French & Germans did not have the income to purchase the goods..............some of the real surplus goods flowed into London.


The credit hyperinflation in London is a result of this - it needed a mechanism to consume the surplus goods flowing in.


So was it the chicken or the egg ?

Did England start this or France.


I would suggest neither.


I hate to be a cliche and all but it was the 





For example France ceased to be a republic in 1973.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 11:23 | 3551338 Kirk2NCC1701
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Not to compete with you (being a 'dork'), but do you HAVE to use so much white space between your text?

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 11:27 | 3551346 francis_sawyer
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I consider that a 'disparaging' remark [with regards to publication style] ~ which may be a peculiar feature of his religious beliefs that you are not aware of...

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 11:33 | 3551357 THE DORK OF CORK
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The Euro crisis explained


Its better to create greenbacks but the above is close.


Europe cannot use the capacity it creates because people don't have the tokens.

This system has got to such a extreme level that even if wages were paid many of the turkey projects could not be used as their demand signal was credit rather then wage based.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 07:51 | 3553245 bichat
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I keep hearing about the 1973 law.

Would you like to explain it to me please? So I could understand what is the link with today situation.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 11:28 | 3551325 Kirk2NCC1701
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Let's assume that Mark is right and that Germany dominates the EU agenda.  So what?  Then what?  Then the really interesting questions can and should be asked.  I'll list but a few...

> In every relationship there is a dominant (alpha) player.  Nature likes it that way:  It's "efficient" and time-proven.  Countries have leaders, companies have CEO's.  Therefore:  So what!

> "God" does not run a democracy.  The point is that people don't have a fundamental problem with a totalitarian player, as long as they are "right" and doing the "right thing".  Whatever that is.

> Funny (ha-ha and strange) how it's somehow ""ok" for the financially and morally bankrupt US to bully the world, but not for the Germans to impose fiscal responsibility on their neighbors and trading partners.  How ironic and hypocritical.  When did Mark or the rest of us stop believing in fiscal responsibility?

NOTE:  If a person believes in "true democracy" and "self-determination" of an individual, then this MUST apply to groups also.  Even to countries.  Countries should be free not only to enter, but also to leave a union (in a civil and orderly manner). 

This applies not only to the UK leaving the EU, but also to a US state leaving its Union -- if you believe in "true democracy" and "self-determination", and not in Elite Monetary Imperialism masquerading as "political nationalism".

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 11:31 | 3551355 LawsofPhysics
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Indeed, the U.S. is heading towards the same endpoint as that took down the Soviet Union.  The result will be no different.  Certain states with resources and strong trading/manufacturing will simply tell other states like Illinois, California, most of new england and washington to go fuck themselves.  What would washington really do if states like Texas, Utah, New Mexico, Arizona, Montana decided to forma new trade union based on the exchange of real resources as the foundation for a new monetary/trade system.  Gold and silver are already legal currencies in many of these states and other commodities could be added to the system such as oil, gas, water etc...

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 11:37 | 3551370 Boondocker
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They wouldn't take it lying down. ...a whe army of alphabet agencies would come calling.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 12:46 | 3551454 LawsofPhysics
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Bullshit. First, I suggest you take a look at where the majority of the military and agency people come from. Second, it will be impossible to put out all the coming "fires" and still be the worlds policeman.  In addition, those agencies seem to becoming less and less competent.  The final point is that possession is the law.  At the end of the day, if texas and texans decide to use their resources for themselves, they will.  There won't be shit any outsider can do about it.  Here's another homework assignment for you, go do some diggingwhere all the weapons of the U.S. are stored.  All economies are indeed local.  As the centrally-planned corrupt horseshit fails, things will get considerably more local.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 07:31 | 3553232 Dyhana
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And texas is on it's own power grid.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 07:33 | 3553234 Dyhana
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They have oil, natural gas, and now all the need is their gold back.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 13:18 | 3551587 newworldorder
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Your point is well taken for the very, very long term. Short and medium term however, a lot of alphabet soup federal agencies would have to cease to exist for states to start thinking of exiting the federal union. Think about it.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 15:10 | 3551867 LawsofPhysics
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Wrong, it is already happening as the people who make up those bullshit agencies turn a blind eye.  Agencies/militaries only function if the chain of command is respected.  When your "leadership" is exposed as the fascists/ignorant fucks that they are the chain of command falls apart very quickly.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 11:35 | 3551364 Element
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NOTE:  If a person believes in "true democracy" and "self-determination" of an individual, then this MUST apply to groups also.  Even to countries.  Countries should be free not only to enter, but also to leave a union (in a civil and orderly manner).

Often no, the alpha-male, top-dog doesn't allow it, most of the time, they don't take such rejection well.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 11:21 | 3551333 Element
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“You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”

-Winston Churchill

Dawd, old winnie the poo, such a hypocritical psychopathic propagandist warmonger, right to the very end. What did British colonialism do to so many other countries, but militarily attack, defeat, demand their surrender or death, and enslaved them using Winston's brand of, "war in our time" rhetoric? Just another mass-murderer in hystery, dressed up in MSM drag.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 11:34 | 3551361 Inthemix96
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While I agree entirely with your post, think back friend, in them days we had telegrams and the new-fangled wireless sets.  You really think the average Brit knew fuck all about the ruling class and the politicians who marched god knows how many young innocents off to end their lives in a pointless fucking excuse of a war?  We didnt even have electricity in most homes back then, and you want to condemn a nation on the back of churchill?

This is 2013 mate, not 1938.  I, you, and many like us cannot be blamed for the actions of 'Them' back way back when.  We were the grunts back then as we are now, but now we have the interwebs and we can see the folly of the actions they commited so long ago in our names.  And as same as way back then, only now we know what they dragged us into, using propaganda same as then to do the same thing again?  We are weak as a species, but are waking up, the UKIP vote here should tell you that.

Dont condemn ordinary blokes like me on the backs of fools like him, we are now worldy wiser mate, I judge no one and not in my name, I cannot forgive crimes from the past as I was not there and I didnt take part in them.  Judge no-one, we didnt start this shit, but it could be up to us to stop it.

Bear that in mind, and I dont mean to be critical here, I'm just saying it as I see it.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 11:41 | 3551375 Element
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Sure, I realize all that, but that doesn't mean we have to take the advise from such quotations, or ignore what the guy did. ;)

I understand your point of view entirely though, I have said similar things many times, in other contexts.

Not blaming any one either, just pointing out what winnie the poo was, a mass-murderer with great PR handlers and a lot to say in memoirs.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 11:44 | 3551394 Inthemix96
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Thank fuck for that.

I might have took that the wrong way Element, and sorry, you are one of my favourite posters.

As it is though, we must think alike then?  We are what we are mate, and thank fuck for the web, who knows?  If we had this back then the bloodshed might have been avoidable???????

We have all been mis-led, de-cieved, con-ned.  I say it again and I hope it rings true with you, not in my name friend, not for banks and politicians.  We are better than this.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 11:51 | 3551399 Element
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The net alone would not do it, people need the guts to really think and persistently reject the BS, and no amount of education, state or private, can teach us that, but statish 'society' does everything possible to discourage people from doing it - cheers mate.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 11:53 | 3551415 Inthemix96
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I dont know friend,

It may be the turning point we be looking for.  People are sick and tired of the same old same old.  We could be seeing history unfolding before our very eyes and never see it.

Take care mate, cheers for the replys.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 00:30 | 3552992 vic and blood
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Gentlemen: A well-spoken exchange. I salute you both and all like-minded people in your nation states. Inthemix96: I take back any British slurs I have written, they were not intended for fine Englishmen like yourself.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 11:45 | 3551397 JustObserving
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Just another mass-murderer in hystery, dressed up in MSM drag.


"The last large-scale famine to take place in India was under British rule. Up to four million Bengalis starved to death in 1943 after Winston Churchill diverted food to well-fed British soldiers and countries such as Greece. "The starvation of anyway underfed Bengalis is less serious" than that of "sturdy Greeks", he argued. "I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion," he said to his Secretary of State for India, Leopold Amery."

When Mahatma Gandhi launched his campaign of peaceful resistance, Churchill raged that he "ought to be lain bound hand and foot at the gates of Delhi, and then trampled on by an enormous elephant with the new Viceroy seated on its back." As the resistance swelled, he announced: "I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion." This hatred killed. To give just one, major, example, in 1943 a famine broke out in Bengal, caused – as the Nobel Prize-winning economist Amartya Sen has proved – by the imperial policies of the British. Up to 3 million people starved to death while British officials begged Churchill to direct food supplies to the region. He bluntly refused. He raged that it was their own fault for "breeding like rabbits". At other times, he said the plague was "merrily" culling the population.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 13:22 | 3551595 YHC-FTSE
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I read that a couple of years ago. Not our finest hour and sadly just one of many shameful, disgusting acts committed during the empire. I had a brilliant history teacher at school who didn't hold with propaganda and I can tell you that such events barely scratch the surface. 

Most of us learned and instilled a sense of respect for other cultures which eventually got hijacked by the multiculturalism nutjob brigade. Crazy stupid world.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 13:29 | 3551607 JustObserving
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Sir Winston Churchill to replace Elizabeth Fry on the five pound note - leaving the Queen as only woman on a British bank note

 Sir Winston Churchill will appear on the next £5 note, to be issued in 2016, the Bank of England has announced.

He will become the first politician of the modern era to feature on a banknote, and in replacing Elizabeth Fry, he will leave the Queen the only woman on a UK note.



Sat, 05/11/2013 - 14:28 | 3551742 Diogenes
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Compared to the wonderful job India and Pakistan did taking care of their people before the British, and after.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 11:23 | 3551336 Laretes
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Biggest piece of shit I have read in a long time.

Britain is a country that is STiLL living it is 'glorious' past, while ignoring the present and thriving on the City of London and its fractional reserve banking scam.

Germany went through some very tough reforms - remember it was once called 'The Dead Man of Europe' - now it is on top. It will change, we will go under again, no worries. Deal with it, and stop with that BS that Germans want to 'dominate' Europe and the British. 

As a German I can only say, leave the EU, and good riddance. We can live without your backwards island of a country.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 12:13 | 3551457 GoldenDonuts
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As a German you will fall the hardest when your empire's supplicants who buy the cars with Deutsche Marks sorry I meant to say Euros borrowed from Germany decide that being a debt slave is not such a good idea.  Oh and by the way isn't the Euro exactly the same as every other currency in the world?  Think fractional reserve.  The arrogance of previous generations of Germans is alive and well in your post.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 12:45 | 3551512 holgerdanske
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But we still beat the crap out of you in 1945!;-)

Although you are right, the English have rested on their laurels.

But, I don't think the Eglish are the only ones that want to leave. It is the majority of Europe. And it will happen.

Eventually you can sit and hold hands with France!

And they are truely useless, whichever measure you use.


Sat, 05/11/2013 - 13:24 | 3551598 lolman
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Are you Soviet Union?



Sat, 05/11/2013 - 20:47 | 3552450 Ghordius
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the majority of Europe? where did you get that from?

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 13:30 | 3551533 YHC-FTSE
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It's easy to see that Mr.Grant has achieved precisely what he aimed to do: Divide and incite. It's not the first article I've read that runs the same bullshit, and it won't be the last. The only thing missing are the final sentences imploring Britain to keep buying US bonds and to keep its nose firmly up the backsides of American and Israeli interests. There have been a ton of columns written by zionists in our mainstream newspapers on the same theme. Melanie Phillips of the Daily hateMail does that almost weekly.


First,  we're not in the eurozone. We don't use the euro, end of story. Secondly, we have our own problems with the City and the blanket saturation of US multinational banks (The squids we ALL loathe) that have infiltrated every nook and cranny of our society. Our next BoE chairman is a Goldman alumni for fuck sake! There is not a single part of our lives, from education to foreign policies that isn't dictated by Washington.  Not a single nanosecond in the msm goes by when there isn't a nasal American voice on it.  We've allowed ourselves to become a quaint antique shop that occasionally voices support for US foreign policies whenever they need a lapdog. It's fucking humiliating to see it, and incredibly sad to see our own culture being usurped by the pernicious American influence on our youth. It isn't the muzzies they ape, it is fucking Beverly Hills 90210, Sex in the City and Gangsta Rap.


Modern Germany has nothing to reproach itself for, and despite these kind of absurd attacks from a certain religious section constantly bringing up WWII to divide us, I believe we have a lot in common and we should simply try to understand the real causes of our problems instead of throwing blame at each other whatever happens to the eurozone and the EU.

I would rather see Britain make independent economic policies in line with our own needs and culture - similar to Iceland's sound policies than ape anyone else on either side of the Atlantic. This may sound like yank bashing, but it is not.  I just want my country back and not this version of being a poor copy of the 51st state in the US of A. 

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 15:09 | 3551865 Lost Word
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Funny, the Conspiracy historians say that the USA is following the orders of London.

The child may be bigger than the parent, but still obeying the parent.

Freemasonry and their blind allegeance to the Unknown Superiors.

Although Unknown Superiors was a German Freemasonry terminology.

Freemasonry, creator of the Jew World Order.

I refer to the Elites of UK and USA, not the ordinary common people.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 21:16 | 3552518 i-dog
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+1000, YHC-FTSE!!

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 12:56 | 3551534 xxxxx
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No worry there pal, England will leave, and yes Germany will go down again, and yes you will have to deal with it.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 11:24 | 3551341 dogfish
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Great Britain the new colonial India,fair enough.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 11:37 | 3551373 Atomizer
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Sort of like the Enron Dabhol Power project, Huh?



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