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Two People Dead From SARS-Like Virus In Saudi Arabia, Two More Infected In France

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While the H7N9 birdflu epidemic is still raging in China, with 4 news deaths bringing the total confirmed death toll to 31 (and who knows how many unconfirmed) on 129 infections leading to a mortality rate that is simply staggering, even if the mordibity rate is largely a function of Chinese data censorship, Europe and the middle east may be set for a viral breakout of their own.

First is the case of Saudi Arabia, where two more people have died from novel coronavirus, a new strain of the virus similar to the one that caused SARS, in an outbreak in al-Ahsa region of Saudi Arabia, the deputy health minister for public health said on Sunday. Ziad Memish said that in the latest cluster of infections, 15 cases had been confirmed, and nine of those patients had died.

As a reminder, the slow burning threat of a viral epidemic in Saudi Arabia is not new. It was back in September that the WSJ wrote about a "Mysterious Virus" that had emerged in the Middle East.

"Global health authorities are hunting for cases of a mysterious viral respiratory illness that killed at least one person in Saudi Arabia and left another who traveled there in intensive care in a U.K. hospital. Health officials said the source of the virus infecting both is unknown, though they have identified it as a coronavirus, part of a large family of viruses that in most cases cause common colds, but also have caused SARS. With no indication yet whether the new virus is like SARS, which spread from person to person, officials are tracking this new virus closely."

Some eight months later it seems the neither the epidemic, nor the source, or host, have been identified. As to what the real state of affairs in the Kingdom is, like in China, one must rely on the local media for truthful reporting - something which as Fukushima taught everyone, can be a bitter pill to swallow for some, or most, governments.

What is more troubling is that with the lack of accurate newsflow out of Saudi Arabia, come unforeseen consequences, such as the eventual spread of the virus from its localized region to a new area, such as Europe or in this case France, to start.

Reuters report that a "second diagnosis of the new SARS-like coronavirus has been confirmed in France, the Health Ministry said on Sunday, in what appeared to be a case of human-to-human transmission. The new infection was found in a 50-year-old man who had shared a hospital room with France's only other known sufferer, the ministry said in a statement."

More from Reuters:

Health experts are concerned about clusters of the new coronavirus strain, nCoV, which was first spotted in the Gulf and has spread to France, Britain and Germany.

 

There has so far been little evidence of direct and sustained human-to-human transmission of nCoV - in contrast to the pattern seen in the related Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) virus, which killed 775 people in 2003.

 

The first nCoV case in France, confirmed on May 8, is a 65-year-old man who fell ill after returning from Dubai late last month.

 

Both French patients are in hospital in the northern city of Lille, where the younger man was transferred to intensive care on Sunday as his breathing deteriorated.

 

His case suggests that airborne transmission of the virus is possible, though still unusual, said Professor Benoit Guery, head of the Lille hospital's infectious diseases unit.

Not unexpectedly, the government's first response is the usual one: don't panic.

"Fortunately, this remains a virus that is not easily transmitted," Guery told the BFMTV channel. "I don't think the public should be concerned - it has been out there for a year and we have 34 cases globally."

 

He said the second French case had occurred because the first patient presented "quite atypical" symptoms and had not been isolated immediately.

If this sounds suspiciously familiar to what the Chinese authorities said in 2003 when placating the population before the first SARS breakout became a pandemic infecting over 8000 and killing nearly 800, it's because it is.

As for the current nCoV or whatever it ends up being branded, breakout, the actual R0 and epidemic details are largely irrelevant, especially in the beginning: all that needs to happen is for several reported cases to be announced in France, and elsewhere in Europe, for the fear of the worst case scenario to bring society to a halt, if a temporary one.

Because if anyone the European authorities have shown beyond a reasonable doubt, and in fact have said so on paper, is that when it becomes serious, you have to lie.

Logically, the question on everyone's mind now will be how soon until it becomes serious?

* * *

And sure enough, moments ago the World Health Organization chimed in, confirming it was on the edge of becoming quite serious. From the WHO twitter account:

  • Novel coronavirus is a new infection and there are also many gaps in our knowledge that will inevitably take time to fill in. #nCoV
  • Novel coronavirus is caused by a virus from coronaviruses group. Another from the group is SARS, however #nCoV is NOT SARS
  • Novel coronavirus: We don’t know where this virus lives. We don’t know how often people might develop mild disease. We aren't sure why #nCoV
  • Things we also don't understand re: novel coronavirus: How are people getting infected? From animals? Contaminated surfaces? People? #nCoV
  • Novel coronavirus clusters seen in countries increasingly support the hypothesis that the virus can transmit H2H with close contacts #nCoV
  • Novel coronavirus person-to-person transmission has remained limited to some small clusters so far #nCoV
  • Novel coronavirus: Countries need to increase surveillance, as well as awareness among all people, particularly health care workers #nCoV
  • Novel coronavirus: Critical for countries to report cases, related info urgently to WHO as required by the Intl Health Regulations #nCoV

Lots of unknowns. Here is what is known:

 

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Sun, 05/12/2013 - 09:50 | 3553356 Tinky
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Peptides, bitchez!

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:00 | 3553374 Doña K
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Population control testing! testing?

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:26 | 3553422 SoundMoney45
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Only a socialist government can possibly help here.  Quick, trade your essential liberties for the temporary perception of safety.  

 

/sarc

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:28 | 3553429 Motorhead
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Shit like this happens when everything tastes like chicken.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:51 | 3553473 Precious
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Reason 1,000,001 not to go to the hospital.

"The new infection was found in a 50-year-old man who had shared a hospital room with France's only other known sufferer..."

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:55 | 3553483 jbvtme
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31 deaths out of population of a billion plus...why is this bad news?

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 11:02 | 3553499 Randall Cabot
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It's the potential, these viruses mutate as they go along and it is always possible that they will mutate into something worse.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 11:09 | 3553506 Precious
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Huffington Post reports that the virus poses an acute danger to 50-year-old men.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 11:30 | 3553549 Troll Magnet
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I junked you just for mentioning that propaganda rag founded by a Greek tax dodger.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 11:40 | 3553554 Precious
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Two People Dead From SARS-Like Virus In Saudi Arabia, Two More Infected In France.

Saudies and French.  How is this a problem?

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 13:14 | 3553746 Randall Cabot
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Hey ZH, how about a headliner on Miracle Man???

http://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/jeff-in-blood-puddle.jpg

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 16:16 | 3554082 Pure Evil
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Did that really look like blood to anyone else?

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 17:10 | 3554185 Randall Cabot
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It looks like red paint to me, Here's a site that's looking into it all-some of the evidence is weak but not all:

http://nodisinfo.com/Home/category/boston-bombing/

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 15:02 | 3553925 Lore
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Where has Obama travelled recently?  We need a map. And pins.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 11:16 | 3553522 Blue Vervain
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On the positive side, such viruses tend to mutate into less lethal strains, thus enabling a greater chance of transmission.

That's not to say it won't be worse than the usual 'flu pandemic though.

 

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 12:52 | 3553706 swiss chick
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In May???????

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 13:01 | 3553718 CPL
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They have already.

 

It's now in 45 locations in the USA, 12 in Canada (every metro) and it just popped up and killed all the Queens swans in Ireland.  The Signet will be no more by the end of the summer.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 14:17 | 3553853 reload
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Regular white swans, or..... BLACK SWANS?

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 21:28 | 3554803 Go Tribe
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No more black swans and all the QE you can take!

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 11:24 | 3553530 Drachma
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Bad news because what you are witnessing with all these "new" viral strain headlines is basically two things at work. First, they are designed to stoke fear where in many cases fear is not warranted, and secondly, where a real threat does exist, it is likely the result, either intentional or accidental, of our own bioengineering machinations. The fingerprints of man can be found in the code.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 13:25 | 3553763 CPL
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Of course they are.  After it's released though, mother nature takes over and finds a way to make it thrive and spread to increase the durability of the mutated virus.  Adding bits and pieces here and there, combining with native virus type of further increase their lethal nature.  But understand the virus is a living creature, there is nothing to put the cork back in the bottle once the genie is let out.  It will continue to find new and inventive ways of finding a home in a host body and evolve faster than most would have projected or prepared for.

There currently is nothing in the medical shelf that stops the newer version.  It one of the reasons for the panic.  Three kids in TX contracted it with an unknown contact to others.  I continue to expect to be seeing pathogenic warnings and requests for every drug in the arsenal floating by my tracker (all of which were completely ineffective).

 

Even ignores hand sanitizer.  There is a theory that the sanitation stations might be a vector as well because they are a common item in all the western world infection cases.  Imagine that.  Training a large population to go to a common source of cleaning, then poison the well.  Oh well, it's a running theory.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 16:19 | 3554093 Pure Evil
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Hand sanitizer only kills germs not viruses. You'd need the equivalent of Lysol to kill viruses and that can be quite nasty to one's skin.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 17:57 | 3554259 NaN
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Hand sanitizer only kills germs not viruses

The above statement is incorrect. Hand sanitizers based on ethyl alcohol kill lipophilic viruses (example: flu), and some hydrophilic viruses (example: cold virus):

"Ethyl alcohol, at concentrations of 60%–80%, is a potent virucidal agent inactivating all of the lipophilic viruses (e.g., herpes, vaccinia, and influenza virus) and many hydrophilic viruses (e.g., adenovirus, enterovirus, rhinovirus, and rotaviruses but not hepatitis A virus (HAV) 58 or poliovirus)"

[ http://www.cdc.gov/hicpac/disinfection_sterilization/6_0disinfection.html

Of course, hand sanitizers do not stop airborne viruses.

 

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 01:48 | 3555314 Miffed Microbio...
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Viruses are technically not alive. They have no metabolism, respiration or reproduction ( only replication) they are basically a piece of DNA or RNA surrounded by a protein coat. Prions take one step further and don't have the protein coat. They are ancient life " forms" whose sole function is finding a suitable host and reconfiguring the cells to be virus factories. Once the host has fulfilled its purpose, it's essential for the virus to find a new host to begin the process again. This is where the theory of virulence comes in. Viruses tend to have lower virulence when the hosts are spread widely apart so people will will interact more and increase their chance of spread ( " cold" viruses). If the hosts live in crowded conditions virulence tends to be greater because the next host is close at hand. A highly virulent virus in a scantly populated area will tend to die out before it has a chance to take hold. This explains why some of the most lethal viruses often originate in highly populated areas like India and china. Add in the fact you have multitudes of animals living in these same unsanitary conditions and you have virus heaven.

There are many effective agents that deactivate viruses. However, if we see a highly virulent virus that effectively is transmitted by air born droplets, they will have limited use. The only way would be containment and, when that is determined to be the appropriate step, it is already too late. Pray hard this burns out or we could be royally fucked. And with that...hope everyone had a really nice mothers day!

Miffed;-)

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 05:06 | 3555442 Parrotile
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> And with that...hope everyone had a really nice mothers day!

'Cause your thinking along the same lines as we are (i.e. 'cause it may well be your last!)

Interesting how much panic there's been over H7N9 (which is still sensitive to Oseltamivir / Zanamivir), yet diddly MSM coverage re. nCoV which does not (yet) seem to have any really effective treatment, other than symptomatic control / immunoregulation. Check out the net mortality rate too - not exactly innocuous is it.

Lots of rumours on the various "tin foil hat" sites re. this being a deliberately engineered virus, especially seeing as its in the same class as the "original" SARS organism; no evidence, but you wonder whether there's some mechanism (or set of mechanisms), maybe related to human activity (pollution, contamination, or whatever) promoting interesting changes in host profile, or is this just another case of random co-incidence.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 11:11 | 3553516 Motorhead
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Brillant call by the medical staff in that hospital, n'est-ce pas?

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 12:26 | 3553649 Ignatius
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"Reason 1,000,001 not to go to the hospital."

If I needed surgery I'd rather do it in my living room.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 12:53 | 3553707 Jack Burton
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Bingo Precious! I have friends and family in Medical Care Systems and they tell me to ONLY go in hospital when there is NO real choice but to.

I see people in my own circle who have died from simple knee operations or a breast cancer surgery. Hospital infections are a major killer in the USA and other nations with advanced medical care systems.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 14:56 | 3553916 Joe A
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It pays off to have private health insurance.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 18:53 | 3554402 ForTheWorld
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Poor cleaning habits and bacterial/virii resistance to treatment cares not for private health insurance.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 03:21 | 3555375 Buck Johnson
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Question is why did they allow this man to share a room with another.  They must have thought he had something else but still.  Also as they where saying it's not easily to get infected but how did that guy get infected?

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:31 | 3553438 kliguy38
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Remain calm.....please enter the buses and sit as far back as possible. Your next stop will be FEMA camp 6

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 11:47 | 3553578 freewolf7
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Am I getting on the bus the right way?

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 16:20 | 3554094 Pure Evil
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No, you're beint transported in the cattle cars.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 19:33 | 3554488 StychoKiller
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[quote]

...Escapin' through the lily fields
I came across an empty space.
It trembled and exploded
Left a bus stop in its place.
The bus came by and I got on;
That's when it all began!
There was cowboy Neal
At the wheel
Of a bus to never-ever land...

[/quote] -- Grateful Dead, "That's it for the Other One"

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 14:11 | 3553844 Cast Iron Skillet
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another reason why the gov needs to screen everyone who wants to fly on an airplane - xray, pat down, DNA test, sperm count, the whole works, 'cause they don't know how it's being transmitted.

/sarc

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:10 | 3553390 smlbizman
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it seems like they would be better to develop a vaccine for when those buildings fall on you...up to a 1,000 dead 

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 12:38 | 3553618 freewolf7
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A vaccine for empathy was developed but abandoned after researchers determined it could be a threat.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:12 | 3553391 ugmug
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Obamacare has just found a new way to implement its death panel where no one will have any say in the matter....none whatsoever. 

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:24 | 3553417 Handful of Dust
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Better grab a pair of scissors and hide under the desk.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 12:13 | 3553623 CheapBastard
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Virus - Bad

 

People = Good

 

Is that it? They're God's creatures too....after all.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 17:34 | 3554222 Wile-E-Coyote
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Look the Chinese are dirty bastards, why is anyone surprised by this.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 23:53 | 3555174 Handful of Dust
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17 wounded at New Orleans parade shooting

 

 

http://news.yahoo.com/nopd-17-wounded-orleans-parade-shooting-215829365....

 

SARS is no match for restless inner city culture.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 09:50 | 3553357 monkeyboy
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What a coincidence just watching Walking Dead.

Is this a warning, premonition or just good old fear mongering?

 

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:23 | 3553414 persu
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This is just typical ZH fear mongering. I wonder why I bother to read this site any longer. All ZH analysis has been more or less wrong since I started to read.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:28 | 3553430 JOYFUL
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All ZH analysis has been more or less wrong since I started to read.

and yet you're still wasting your time here....

resol or drarter? maybe thob?...

caution... mirror may be required!

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:47 | 3553471 paddy0761
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"resol or drarter? maybe thob?...

caution... mirror may be required!"

 

 

A mirror may not be enough; you may need rose-tinted spectacles as well.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 13:28 | 3553520 Precious
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Yur gonna need an intervention.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 07:39 | 3555597 Adahy
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I thought that it was well understood that project mayhem requires some sacrifice before it is effective.  Pay closer attention.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:30 | 3553433 monkeyboy
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NY Times op-ed piece (just putting it out there...)

The Next Pandemic: Not if, but When

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/10/opinion/the-next-pandemic-is-closer-th...

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 11:16 | 3553521 Precious
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The Next Pandemic:  NY Times Investigates, not If, not When, but Where.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 18:40 | 3554366 NaN
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Researchers have been saying "Not if, but When" for decades, just like predictions about the dikes in New Orleans. They are probably right, but the likelyhood can be reduced by isolating or eliminating conditions that foster multiple simultaneous infections in single individuals which tends to evolve and incubate the worst case scenarios. 

The upshot is that there is a selfish reason to provide basic medical care and good sanitary conditions to people everywhere: averting the worst case incubation scenarios.

The crowded, contaminated, monoculture fattening farms for livestock are an example of what not to do. In pursuit of profit margin before food safety, the animals stand in shit all the time, so e. coli is no surprise, and they get ulcers from an unnatural diet which is why they are fed antibiotics. The resulting meat is washed with ammonia (no joke) to be sure the e. coli is gone.

Chicken farms with workers that sleep with the birds in China is a practice that should stop. The dumping of dead animals in rivers in China is probably a vector too; it should be investigated if only to find out why the animals died.

 

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 18:46 | 3554380 akak
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The dumping of dead animals in rivers in China is probably a vector too

Yeah, in retrospect that does seem like it might not have been the best idea. 
Who knew?

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 09:51 | 3553359 Rockfish
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All biological systems have a thinning mechanism "culling the herd". Human beings are not exempt. 

 

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 09:51 | 3553360 eigenvalue
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Just 2 people died, not 2 million...Big deal...

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 09:54 | 3553365 i-dog
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I was more annoyed at the hyperbole of "epidemic still raging" ... with 31 deaths in about a month - when compared with 500,000 deaths each year from seasonal flu!!!!!

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:02 | 3553372 eigenvalue
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Car accidents and obesity claim more lives than the seasonal flu does...

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:33 | 3553444 GetZeeGold
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Kills a lot more than guns as well.....but that doesn't stop us from trying to ban them in America.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:36 | 3553451 francis_sawyer
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How many got killed in Chicago last night?

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:44 | 3553462 pods
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Like removed from the voting list killed?

None.

pods

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 11:56 | 3553591 takeaction
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Looks like the stats aren't up...but here is the list so far.  Look at the line that says "Cause".  LOL

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ak3IIavLYTovdHYxbDItQ255eWh1NzBiQXp5cmxRdmc&output=html

And it has the handy addresses on this list so you can start your own mailers...or solicitations...Hmmm...maybe not.  Look at the ages of these people...Damn.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 12:51 | 3553704 kchrisc
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Shame on you!

Most of the dead on the your list are black. That's racist.

Next time "clean up" the data to better reflect that blacks make up only 12 to 15% of the population and therefore cannot possibly make up the majority of the violent deaths on your list.

Next thing you will tell me is that blacks commit 79% of the violent crime in the country too.

What's your agenda man?!               hujel

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 12:21 | 3553634 Peachfuzz
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And if you're a real bean counter obesity is #1. Just think of all the knuckle children that fat people slaughter in the name of pornography everyday.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:26 | 3553424 pods
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I wonder how many people die in Bangkok closets every year?

I would say this epidemic ranks up there with people killed by holding their noses while they sneeze.

pods

 

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 12:24 | 3553645 Peachfuzz
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I don't know the exact numbers, but "The Legend Continues."

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 13:03 | 3553724 flapdoodle
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...or killed by terrorists (those by .gov excluded of course)

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:29 | 3553431 Motorhead
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"Raging"...yeah, no shit.  Hyperbole Award of the Day.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:13 | 3553396 Spigot
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Pt in french hospital presents "atypical" symptoms, not isolated.

A certain (usually high) % of care providers do NOT wash their hands between Pt contacts.

All staff who did not use precautions when attending to the R0 Pt were exposed, and possibly other Pts such as R1 (room mate).

Staff come to work when not feeling well, infect many other Pts.

Family and friends visit Pts and bring home unexpected gifts

...

THAT is how we spread pandemics using hospitals ...

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 14:59 | 3553921 Joe A
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Infectious diseases will be a big deal if they go airborne and cannot be contained

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 09:51 | 3553361 the not so migh...
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we are all going to die from global warming, sars amd tea partiers.  Happy Mothers Day

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 09:52 | 3553362 Pretorian
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Return that shit to the respected owner CDC Atlanta- branch office of Langly,Virginia.

 

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 09:52 | 3553363 Rustysilver
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My advise to Clara is to get out of France. Now.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 09:56 | 3553368 eigenvalue
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Agreed. France is a country without hope. There are too many lazy muslims there. 

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 11:29 | 3553547 francis_sawyer
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You'd better be careful that an 'activist group' in Switzerland doesn't bury Tyler in paperwork by taking that characterization to the high courts...

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 11:42 | 3553568 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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They could just let those people do the paperwork.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 09:56 | 3553367 apberusdisvet
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Depopulation:  a purposeful planned event

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:12 | 3553369 Canucklehead
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Off Topic...

http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/09/ted-cruz-and-john-mccain-the-secret-em...

... These emails show how McCain thinks.  A little kid could have flown that North Vietnamese plane and smoked his ass...

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 11:12 | 3553519 edifice
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You have to admit, this line is pretty clever:

"I’ve longed to feel your soft face pressed helplessly against my knuckles"

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:00 | 3553376 Sandmann
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I thought the Chinese had just been rebuked for crossing avian flu strains with pig strains.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/06/hybrid-flu-bird-swine-airborne_...

Then again the way Chinese live with  in close proximity means that they are usually able to mass-procude any flu virus the world needs to balance hungry mouths and food supplies.....they did a great job in 1918

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 17:24 | 3554210 el Gallinazo
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Yeah but they only wanted to be the first to come up with a flying pigs virus.  Nothing devious there.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:03 | 3553379 mrdenis
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Solvent Green .........

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 11:53 | 3553590 takeaction
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It is "Soylent" dumbass..

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 17:21 | 3554206 el Gallinazo
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Depends.  If they dissolve your rotting corpse in acetone, bottle it and sell it as a sports drink, then it's Solvent Green.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:04 | 3553381 Svendblaaskaeg
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OT (please be gentle it's my first and last)

h/t to commenter "The Thunder Child"

Jekyll Island - the documentary

14 hours to go

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/191063619/jekyll-island-the-documentary

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 16:03 | 3554062 Cathartes Aura
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looks like it's "funded" - grats!

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:04 | 3553382 BAINES03
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For a website that loves to poke fun at fear peddling, Zerohedge sure does like to do a lot of fear peddling.  This is such a non-story... can we get back to our savings accounts being raped, please?  Or are we to be this easily distracted and buy into the fear mongering once again?

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 11:16 | 3553523 freewolf7
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a.) slow news day
b.) calm before the storm
c.) everything's connected

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:07 | 3553385 RafterManFMJ
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Now I see why we need to build a bio weapons facility right in the middle of the country. See, the cures can reach the people faster and more evenly.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:08 | 3553386 Tango in the Blight
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Play Pandemic 2 and see how hard it is infecting the entire world with a virus.

Especially Madagascar.

http://www.crazymonkeygames.com/Pandemic-2.html

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 14:19 | 3553855 noless
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That's why you start in Madagascar.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 14:35 | 3553886 RafterManFMJ
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Madagascar doesn't have an airport? I did not know that.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 05:20 | 3555448 Parrotile
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For the PC Pandemic 2.5 is a bit better.

For the iOS / Android user - try Plague, Inc.: really good, and the "full" paid-for version is quite fun. I personally think the Bio-Weapon module is, shall we say, "Professionally entertaining", if your intention is to wipe out the entire planetary population. (Being a Mass Murderer sure beats being a "Good Guy" every time!!)

A PC / Win 7 version should be out well before Christmas.

"Try it - you might like it!"

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:08 | 3553387 spanish inquisition
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The first nCoV case in France, confirmed on May 8, is a 65-year-old man who fell ill after returning from Dubai late last month.

"French officials were outraged that an unauthorized virus made its way into France without proper paperwork and so far avoiding the new 20% healthcare tax for foreign aliens entering the country. A statement is expected after a week long government conference at Cannes to discuss the implications of the new virus. One official noted that it will be difficult work, because "we are forced to work at a resort with a high chance of rain, we should of postponed until weather permitted.""

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:20 | 3553407 nmewn
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ROTFL!!!

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:13 | 3553397 Thorny Xi
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Such a tragedy - it might wipe of the uber greedheads in Dubai, the middle east and N Africa, leaving nothing but all that oil for those who have the vaccine to go harvest. 

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:14 | 3553398 desirdavenir
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Ok, so if I stay in the same confined room as an infected guy for 4 days, then I might catch it. I guess I will do just as the government told me to, and not panic.

Btw, is there anyone out there who feels like panicking on this news ?

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:19 | 3553403 nmewn
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Not in the least.

When the last government induced panic (swine flu) rolled out I informed the little nmewn's that if they come at you with a needle or spray in school to fight them off and run away.

I'd then take it from there.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:30 | 3553434 pods
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Does posting this from my plastic and duct taped room count?

pods

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:44 | 3553464 Headbanger
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Only if you also have a loaded 12 guage, 357 revolver and either an AK or AR with at least 8 loaded 30 round magazibes.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:15 | 3553400 nmewn
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"The new infection was found in a 50-year-old man who had shared a hospital room with France's only other known sufferer, the ministry said in a statement."

What? Is socialized medicine so fucking broke they can't even afford to sterilze the damned place or separate patients with a heart condition from someone carrying the equivalent of the plague?

Quick...raise taxes again!...there's clearly a social need!!!...lol.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 17:52 | 3554249 Axenolith
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If you WANT to get sick and die, there are few better places to do it than a hospital...

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 19:28 | 3554479 ForTheWorld
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I junked you because of your ridiculous link between socialized medical facilities and sterilization. People who don't clean things properly, or enact proper precautions to prevent the spread of bacteria or virii are the problem.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:16 | 3553401 rwe2late
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Maybe it's blowback from the bio-warfare programs of the US or some other nation,

or maybe it's blowback from the despicable treatment of animals by humans.

But whatever the cause, under the heading of "never let a crisis go to waste",

it is a perfect opportunity for those in power to seize more control even to the point of "lockdowns" on travel, communications, mandatory vaccinations, quarantines, etc.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:23 | 3553413 Handful of Dust
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wait 'till it hits India and Africa, if it hasn't already....

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:40 | 3553457 pods
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It won't kill anyone in Africa.  They can't afford to knock down the AIDS numbers.  

pods

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:23 | 3553415 Being Free
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What we need is a good biometric database of all people to combate the spread of this leathal disease.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 17:13 | 3554190 el Gallinazo
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Exactly.  And those with low genetic immunity should be preemptively (if temporarily /sarc  housed in those hundreds of FEMA camps currently just going to waste and increasing the deficit.  Call them FEMtel 6 and charge la gente 15 pesos a day for the bed, pink slime not included.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:31 | 3553439 DeliciousSteak
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Pandemic masturbation is kinda sexy, but it's difficult to do with such flaccid threats.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 12:50 | 3553702 Peachfuzz
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I smell a new Jackyll album in the making!

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:39 | 3553456 22winmag
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Drunk driving illegal aliens kill more Americans than any exotic flu stains could ever hope to kill.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 12:18 | 3553553 freewolf7
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A database is being collected of all people not born in the US who may operate a motor vehicle and might consume alcohol.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 17:07 | 3554181 el Gallinazo
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Grays or Reptilians?

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:41 | 3553458 Judge Crater
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Notice that there is no announcement from U.S. drug companies on what research these companies are funding to find a cure for corona virus type pathogens.  The lawyers who run these drug companies have no interest in financing research to fight diseases.  More typical is Pfizer's action in getting quick FDA approval to market a pill that contains both Lipitor and Zetia (made by Merck, which Pfizer bought).  Lipitor is off patent and Zetia is a worthless drug that supposedly boosts your HDL level.  Pfizer will sell this combo pill for $5.50 each.  Meanwhile, Pfizer is laying off staff at its Connecticut facilities by the thousand and is farming out drug research work overseas.  Instead of microbe hunters being in charge of drug companies, the American business model is to have shyster lawyers run things, lawyers only interested in getting extensions on drug patents of old drugs and using patent lawsuits to keep drug prices high.  You have only to look at the deaths from C. Diff superbug outbreals in hospitals across the country to know that American drugs companies are now "wastes of skin" when it comes to finding new drugs to treat deadly pathogens like C. Diff.  Good thing the newspapers and television news shows are owned by big business, so the thousands of patients who died from C. Diff hospital acquired infections became invisible people. --- The company, in the midst of a worldwide downsizing over the past few years after it completed a series of megamergers and tried to compensate for the loss of patent protections for blockbuster medicines, had a local presence of about 6,000 just a few years ago. But a phase-out of Groton's manufacturing capability, the layoff of 500 local scientists related to Pfizer's acquisition of Wyeth Pharmaceuticals, a decision to get out of the antibiotics-discovery business and the move of the local lab's drug-discovery scientists to Cambridge, Mass., has inevitably whittled away at jobs numbers.

http://medcitynews.com/2013/02/pfizer-layoffs-slightly-larger-than-projected/#ixzz2T5Uk1ebO

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 11:40 | 3553562 freewolf7
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Thank you.
When more people find out their loved one's C was treatable, they are gonna be, well, upset.

There's a special place in hell for the guy who invented radiation treatment.

Win the war on cancer!

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 12:20 | 3553632 CheapBastard
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Eating just 2 carrots a day will lower your cholesterol over 50% in many people I read somewhere...cheaper, safer and much more fun then any DRUG they can invent.

My guess is this may be true for other high fiber typoe foods liek figs, etc.....

 

Read more and eat better and live longer...safer...happier.

 

 

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:44 | 3553465 americanspirit
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Breaking news - It appears that the virus is transmitted by the handling of fiat currency

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 17:01 | 3554172 el Gallinazo
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Who woulda thunk that nature woud use fiat as a clandestine viral vector?

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:45 | 3553466 matsoR
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Blame this on the useless eaters club (occult) and their masters (the elite and the banksters). Not to mention those shitstains (reptilians) have a hand in this too.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:47 | 3553469 Headbanger
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MAyor Bloomberg is about to announce mandatory hand washing every 15 minutes and wearing face masks along with banning any coughing or sneezing in publc.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:52 | 3553478 nmewn
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And a new 35% tax on face masks & hand sanitizer ;-)

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 11:27 | 3553539 Cheesy Bastard
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You must change your mask every 7 coughs.  No containers of hand sanitizer over 32 oz., although you can buy as many 16 oz containers as you want.  Oh, and absolutely no antibacterial soap.  Ever.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-204_162-57582621/does-antibacterial-soap-cau...

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:57 | 3553472 tony wilson
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fear not sheeple.

your heroic leaders,kings,queens gates and rothschilds have all been vaccinated.

in the coming months many of you useless eaters will be dead.

do not worry the bush family,kissinger and tony blair will all be safe and at hand to lead us out of this big pharma false flag.

satan is not your enemy he is the way.

danny boyles shit zombie film was just a template of a cia,mi6 process.

people need to die by big military bang or pharma.

monsanto is your friend.

the bbc 2

we have already developed the virus and nuke resistant crops.

stop

that is all.

now please die quietly

at home

stop

with discretion

stop

good luck.

stop

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 12:47 | 3553646 freewolf7
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I was feeling sleepy there for a minute, but then I remembered there's no vaccine for a revolution.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 15:33 | 3553988 Things that go bump
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How very reassuring. After things stabilize those of us who survive can look forward to bouncing right back to the world as we know it. 

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:56 | 3553487 Ban KKiller
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What is under the robes? Chickens? Make Arabs wear shorts. I am keeping my chickens away from the French too.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:58 | 3553495 tony wilson
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what is under an arabs robes you ask?

 

your cock sucking momma bitch

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 11:46 | 3553573 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Islam forbids adultry.

I think you do not know what you are talking about or else you are an infidel.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 11:52 | 3553586 knukles
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But not buggering small boys, goats, sheep or camels.
Sorta like SlickWIllie's depends on what the meaning of is, is, depends on what the meaning of adultery is.
And it ain't got "shit" to do with animals and kids....

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 15:59 | 3553938 Joe A
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That is why they invented special marriages of convenience which can be walked away from by saying the word divorce three times in a row.

Also, in islam you can have multiple wives. It is apparently not adultry when you are married to them. Now polygamy in the ME is quite unaffordable for the average muslem. Not in Germany when the German tax payers pay for muslems having multiple wives and a dozen children or so. While polygamy is forbidden in I guess most of Europe.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:57 | 3553490 Sutton
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Short oil. Short airlines. Short the DJ Trans. No movement allowed.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 11:05 | 3553503 tony wilson
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fake kidnaps lasting 10 years.

bombs in boston

releasing cia virus

israel bombing syria

not big enough 

need something bigger 

distraction not distracting enough.

michael bay has been fired spielberg and lucas retired.

bring in jj abra hamm cia man

maybe he can come up with a bigger more distracting script.

with some zionist darkness

so the rapists can carry on some more.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 11:27 | 3553544 magpie
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There aren't that many spectacular story lines available, for instance i have compiled this list for American developments:

1)The "Ukraine" option a.k.a somebody takes potshots at Obama and certain left wing personages of a religious persuasion take over and remodel the USSA.

2)Obama Autocoup - the NWO classic. Obama puts on a turban and calls in the UN troopers

3)WW 3. Always possible, but i think the climate at the moment isn't conducive since you never know, even in the Elites' bunkers and hideways with exaclty what kind of people or critters you will be spending the fallout with.

 

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 12:02 | 3553603 Doña K
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His take over attempt ( ala Chavez) will happen before 2016 elections.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 15:48 | 3553656 freewolf7
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That life would be normal in 2016. This SUMMER is gonna be fun.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 11:09 | 3553514 shermacman
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Year after year after year the inhabitants of the Shrieking Shack at the CDC wail about world wide death if we don't sneeze into our shirt sleeves. But it is sort of hard to get all wee-wee'd up about 31 deaths in a country of 1.4 billion people. I know it is fun to fantasize about a global pandemic with bodies stacked in the streets like cord wood, but most of the bird flu victims live in the same houses as their chickens. Every year in the US there are ~30,000 flu deaths on average. So, now I am going to go outside and cough with out protection.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 11:57 | 3553594 knukles
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31 dying out of Billions is a statistically significant event (!?!?!?) which is now labelled a pandemic for fear's sake. 
Significant nowhere, by the way.
And who cares, anyhow?
Shut the fuck up and take your vaccines...

aarragggggggh!

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 15:42 | 3554024 Things that go bump
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These things start small and then grow. The first cases of Spanish flu popped up in 1917 and then it disappeared into some reservoir or other only to come roaring back the next year. My grandmother lost her 1st husband and her infant of less than 1 year during that epidemic and told of how they couldn't bury the dead because the ground was frozen so they stacked them in her father's barn, which was near the funeral home. She didn't remember much from that year because she was nearly mad with grief, but she remembered that.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 19:06 | 3554431 NaN
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Knuckles:  Here is how it works. In order to prevent a big, real, actual pandemic, the problem must be caught early and it is essential to err on the safe-not-sorry side. That means false positives become the norm.

It is true, however, that the media makes words go hyperbolic, hence the need for "real, actual" qualifiers when the real, actual thing happens. 

 

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 12:01 | 3553600 Father Lucifer
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Soon to be reported that the transmission mechanism is G2H (gold to human).

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 12:09 | 3553617 tarsubil
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Holy shit! FTA: "...pandemic infecting over 8000..." This is like saying worldwide hyperinflation of 0.001%. If you guys are going to run stories like this, get a science and biology consultant. Email me and I'll give you my resume and I'll work for free.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 12:13 | 3553624 debtor of last ...
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Dump thousands of pigs in the river, and wonder how viruses pop up. Sterile McPig in 3 2 1..

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 12:24 | 3553641 Mamzer Ben Zonah
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31 deaths is a tragedy.

500,000 deaths would be a statistic.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 12:45 | 3553692 q99x2
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The government will help.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 12:50 | 3553700 Jack Burton
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Any new virus can hitch a ride on the world's air transport system and spread with lightning fast speed. The Black Death moved slow, at about an Ox Cart pace and many tried to escape by keeping ahead of it, but sooner or later it caught the entire continent.

Today a new version of a virus can arise in a nation and travel at over 500 MPH. It has potential to explode upon the scene. We will, sooner or later, have an outbreak that will devestate populations. It is just that time and evolution and circumstances will determine when. Might not be in some of our lifetimes, might be tomorrow. But large populations like China make the perfect breeding grounds with animal and human living tightly packed.

To understand this, look back at what happened to American Natives when Europeans arrived. In many cases whole tribes and regions were depopulated of Natives before anyone had even seen a White Man, it took just one trader or trapper to bring the virus into a native community for vast deaths. Estimates were 90 million Natives were in the new world in societies across the whole area, they were simply snuffed out by disease in a few decades in some cases.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 13:18 | 3553753 Monetative Easing
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Great post.  Setting aside the statistical insignificance of the reported mortality totals of nCov andH7N9, these viruses have the potential to be a big deal, if only because if the numbers increase more rapidly and/or H2H of either is confirmed, global commerce will suffer.  People will cancel travel, they will go out less and spending will suffer.  This will only exacerbate what can be, at best, referred to as a sluggish global economy.

Finally, setting aside conspiracy theories, nature doesn't need some government or entity or Big Pharma or Zionist conspiracy to cull the herd.  Nature is elegant and self correcting enough.  As others have pointed out, viruses such as these have been evolving for as long as we have and its only a matter of time until one of them burns around the globe.  And at that point, it probably won't matter whose side you are on that determines whether you live or die.  Only luck and genetics will determine that.  

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 13:34 | 3553778 Jack Burton
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Very true. And the nature of the outbreak is a crap shoot. The virus could have a varying degree of mortality. 5%, 10%, 50%. Nobody knows because the gentic change that triggers the outbreak will determine what the death rates are. A Percentage will have a natural immunity, how large is anyone guess. Plague in European history comes and goes and comes and goes. Evolution is always at work, it always has been. The virus that kills vast numbers is already out there, waiting for a natural genetic mutation to trigger it.

And yes, even a small outbreak would be lethal to todays service economy. Imagine the year 1323 for example, most people lived rural or in villages, today? Vast cities are like time bombs.

 

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 17:47 | 3554243 Axenolith
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Lets not forget that mortality/morbidity isn't the be all and end all here.  You only need an approximately 1.5-5% mortality rate with an easily transmissible pathogen to really fuck up civilization in developed countries.  Once a few water system engineers, power plant operators, air traffic controllers, truckers, etc... die from it and the rest forego going to work or are movement restricted, the "shit" will be entering the air handling equipment...

In the US, 1.5% mortality above and beyond normal means 4.5 million excess bodies to handle/process within the funerary infrastructure.  A 1-2% mortality rate was enough to create a need for "bring out yer dead" carts in major US cities in the 1918 pandemic...

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 13:48 | 3553725 Fuku Ben
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Quick everyone panic! Rush out to get a nice dose of poison from Big Pharma that could kill you faster than these man made viruses that are purposely being released to cull the population or line the pockets of Big Pharma

CDC Partial List of Dangerous and Toxic Substances found in vaccines include:

 

  • Aluminum - A deadly toxin and not only not required for the body to function it is has many debilitating side effects on the entire body 
  • Antibiotics - As if we already haven't over-exposed ourselves to enough of antibiotics resulting in the huge increase of antibiotic resistant bacteria  
  • Formaldehyde - The stuff that smells like shit that you used to see frogs floating in during biology class to preserve them
  • Monosodium glutamate (MSG) - Would you like some Chinese food with that shot?
  • Thimerosal - Mercury biatches. The shit that they used to use in thermometers that is deadly poisonous.

Remember governments and corporations only try to scare your or force you to do things for your safety and to protect your rights (sarc)

 

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 13:07 | 3553730 Fix It Again Timmy
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Viruses - dancing with DNA and never taking a day off....

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 14:34 | 3553882 U4 eee aaa
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I hear SARS shot and killed four people in Chicago this weekend

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