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Saudi Man Arrested At Detroit Airport For Owning Pressure Cooker

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Meet the new "WMD" whose merest ownership is sufficient to get you arrested. That, and having an Arabic sounding name of course.

From (the soon to be broke?) Detroit News:

Man from Saudi Arabia arrested at Detroit airport with pressure cooker

 

Federal agents arrested a Saudi Arabian traveler who arrived at Detroit Metropolitan Airport with a pressure cooker, a key component used in the Boston Marathon bombings last month.

 

Hussain Al Kwawahir will be arraigned at 1 p.m. in federal court for allegedly using an altered passport and lying to a Customs and Border Protection Agent about the pressure cooker.

 

Al Kwawahir arrived at the airport Saturday from Saudi Arabia, via Amsterdam, according to a criminal complaint filed Monday in federal court.

 

He told agents he was visiting his nephew, who attends the University of Toledo.

 

During baggage inspection, officers noticed a page missing from his passport.

 

Al Kwawahir told officers he did not know how the page was removed from the passport.

 

During the baggage exam, officers found a pressure cooker.

 

Al Kwawahir said he brought the pressure cooker for his nephew because the devices are not sold in the United States, according to the complaint.

 

Later, he changed his story and admitted that his nephew had purchased a pressure cooker in the U.S. but it was cheap and broken

Moral of the story: don't lie about your pressure cooker.  Also, it may be time for Hawkins to change their slogan:

 


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Mon, 05/13/2013 - 13:54 | Link to Comment knukles
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No
Fucking
Way

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 13:55 | Link to Comment Almost Solvent
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"purchased a pressure cooker in the U.S. but it was cheap and broken"

So, was it made in China or Detroit?

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 13:56 | Link to Comment Spider
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That's right Homeland Security officers - you show Saudi Arabia how police state is done!

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:02 | Link to Comment krispkritter
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I"m just amazed that Detroit still has a working airport...?!?

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:05 | Link to Comment oddjob
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The duty free has crack and Tigers jerseys.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:12 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:12 | Link to Comment Precious
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He wasn't arrested because it was a pressure cooker.  He was arrested because it was 32 ounces.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:14 | Link to Comment ParkAveFlasher
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Detroit + Arab + pressure cooker = need more security funds shoveled slushily = bail them out!!  bail them out!!  USA!!  USA!!

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:33 | Link to Comment TerminalDebt
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he's lucky he didnt have 100ml of water in that pressure cooker. That would be grounds for a good waterboarding or two.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 15:06 | Link to Comment Stackers
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So Abdul, are you just happy to see me or is that pressure cooker in your pants ?

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 16:51 | Link to Comment Manthong
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Just wait until you see what happens with  weaponized popcorn makers.

..it's just a good thing that US immigration policy and foreign policy has nothing to do with any of the reasons for terror in this country.

it's all the fault of dangerous inanimate things

 

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:16 | Link to Comment Pladizow
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TEST RUN?

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:26 | Link to Comment redpill
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I call bullshit on this, no one would be stupid enough to stash a pressure cooker in your suitcase right after Boston.  Either it was planted to scare us, or it was a test run.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:28 | Link to Comment rajat_bhatia
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Hey Tyler, that source of yours also has a tweet abt a breaking news of a woman arrested for throwing knife at her boyfriend coz he farted when she was watching TV. 

So,

BS

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:33 | Link to Comment roadhazard
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I agree with the BS call.  911 ! 911 !

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 16:16 | Link to Comment Frank N. Beans
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i don't think so.  First it was shoe bombers.  Then underwear bombers.  Then pressure cookers became the latest in terrorist Muzlim fashion accessories.  All were "brief" trends, but this guy didn't get the memo to stop using pressure cookers. 

the next terrorist fashion statement will have something to do with Yankees baseball caps or laptop pet carriers

 

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 16:38 | Link to Comment Mesquite
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Annnd travel around the globe, thru International Aiirports with it....

Truly amazing...,

Hollywood would be ashamed...

Peace.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:34 | Link to Comment Normalcy Bias
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Saudi + pressure cooker is sort of like effeminate priest + prepubescent filipino boys. It really does beg the question...

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:20 | Link to Comment johnQpublic
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wheres the ' chicken in every pot' joke?

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:24 | Link to Comment TrumpXVI
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That is NOT a pic of a Tactical Pressure Cooker.

The tactical ones are all finished in BLACK!

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 15:07 | Link to Comment luckylogger
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And come with a pistol grip which proves they are dangerous.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 15:16 | Link to Comment 1C3-N1N3
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And if you order now, we'll throw in a pair of khakis and a baseball cap.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:52 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Those 7 Mason Jars in the background look like 'Molotov Cocktails'

~~~

That's It!... SEE SOMETHING SAY SOMETHING... I'm reporting you to the the 'Loyal Order of Waterbuffaloes & CheesePopes'... [whose 'lodge' themesong is a diddy by the eclectic jazz ensemble of 'Squeaky McWheel & the 'Yodelers']...

You're done here h_h... DO YOU HEAR ME?... DONE FOREVER!...

We'll have no hosenfeffer in this forum!

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 15:45 | Link to Comment Disenchanted
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ain't nuthin like a Mason jar filled with some good 'shine...

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 20:09 | Link to Comment Race Car Driver
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> Those 7 Mason Jars in the background look like 'Molotov Cocktails'

 

Those are Musselman cocktails. Don't sweat it ... the TSA doesn't know the difference either.

 

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 15:03 | Link to Comment Uncle Remus
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If it ain't BLACK (hey ZH, it's a farking color), it ain't tactical.

 

EDIT: Dammit TrumpXVI, I missed your comment.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 15:38 | Link to Comment Disenchanted
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re: www.lehmans.com

 

Mailing Address Retail Store:
PO Box 270, Kidron, OH 44636

 

Hard to believe that I grew up about 5 miles from a major terrorist supplier...

s/

Hell I was even trained in the usage of these WMDs by my own mother when I was but a wee lad.

Watch out Berspanke(and your merry band of banksters) me and my pressure cooker are coming for you.

/s

 

Jesus H. Christ!

 

If there's a bustle in your hedgerow don't be alarmed now

it's just a spring clean for the May Queen

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 16:43 | Link to Comment thisandthat
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You got me a tactical... but what about the ballistic backpack?

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:10 | Link to Comment jbvtme
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this shit with the arabs is sure taking some pressure off the blacks and mexicans in this country...

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 15:03 | Link to Comment Uncle Remus
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groan....

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 15:18 | Link to Comment F22
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Detroit metropolitan airport is beautiful modern airport. Much nicer than
LAX, Kennedy, Laguardia, or O'hare....it may never be fully paid for.....

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 16:05 | Link to Comment fourchan
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its the bond holders problem now.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 15:27 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Oddly enough - Detroit airport was nicer than Chicago Ohare.   I stopped flying because I am tired of being groped and having my prostate irradiated by the goons at DHS. 

Detroit/Dearborn have been infested by the other plague called muslims.  Serious - who the fu*k carries a pressure cooker in their luggage?  

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:03 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Those wacky DETROIT LAW ENFORCEMENT officials... Somehow they 'didn't' get the following message...

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http://www.zerohedge.com/help/notice-racism

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:46 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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Notice On Racism


Racism, to include any religious affiliation, will not be tolerated in ANY FORM on this site, including the disparagment of people in the comments section.

 

To report any form of discrimination, please right click on the comment number, copy the link to the comment, and send the comment link to abuse [at] zerohedge.com.

 

Any user found to be discriminating against ANY race, religion, or affiliation, will be banned immediately, and have their comments removed from the system.

 

You have been warned.

___________________________________________________

 

And so what, exactly, is the ZeroHedge definition of racism? 

This is the end of Fight Club. 

Best of luck to everyone, it has been a good run, three years and 12 weeks for me. 

See ya'll at the next watering hole.

-h_h

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 15:05 | Link to Comment Precious
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Everyone here gets treated with equal contempt.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:52 | Link to Comment philosophers bone
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It would be good to run through some examples of what ZH considers to be racism.

For example, I find some of the comments on connection between financial /monetary system / central banks and Israel or those of Israeli background to be interesting and thought prevoking.

When is commenting on that considered racist?

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:57 | Link to Comment McMolotov
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I'm a proud racist because I hate Nascar. Get it? Race-ist?

http://instantrimshot.com/

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 15:04 | Link to Comment Uncle Remus
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Hey-ooooh.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 15:05 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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I guess I'm a 'racist' too... I think NASCAR is a joke... Feel free to 'BAN' me Tylers...

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 15:34 | Link to Comment Precious
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Michelle wants to wash your mouth out with soap.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 15:42 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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well that's a relief... At least my mouf is safe...

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 15:23 | Link to Comment BLOTTO
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It can't be racism if ALL nations/people have been inflitrated by the same group.

.

We ALL have the same enemy.

.

Am i still allowed to bash Satanists or is that discrimination?

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 17:00 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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That depends...

~~~

As far as I know... [based on the high intellectual wisdom of ZH posters]... 'Satanists' & 'Luciferians' are different tribes...

& unfortunarely... That might not be the END of it...

Each... could one day be divided into:

- Beelzebubians

- BeetleJuiceians

- The Beatles

- Juice Newton

- Devil Wears Prada-ians

- Deviled EGG-ians

- Underwoodians

- Krackens

It's... Just... Really Hard...

~~~

Thank DOG that... over this past weekend... the ORDER OF THE CHEESEPOPES has intermingled with ZH... So as to bring 'logic' & 'sanctity' to the age old perplexing question...

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 16:53 | Link to Comment thisandthat
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I used to race, back in school (nope, not nascar...), so I'm a racist too... also, my pets don't eat at the table - that's racist...

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 15:13 | Link to Comment Uncle Remus
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Somebody get this sock a script...

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:54 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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Wow.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:55 | Link to Comment fuu
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You don't visit much over the weekends do you?

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:55 | Link to Comment Ralph Spoilsport
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Didn't see that one coming.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 15:11 | Link to Comment Widowmaker
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Widowmaker thought you were joking.

Too bad chickswithdicks.com is already taken. 

Rules on expression and speech??  Wow, put a fork in truth.

What's next Tyler, a gay-a-day column for faggots to feel important?!  Do I need pink shoes and glitter to fight??

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 15:33 | Link to Comment Precious
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ZH is the last great bastion of incivility.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 15:44 | Link to Comment Widowmaker
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"Words are just words."

- Luther Campbell (Luke Skyywalker)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_i7TiPDK5w

 

2 Years 40 Weeks

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 15:47 | Link to Comment McMolotov
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Damn skippy. I read for a few years before joining and discovered along the way that this place is the internet equivalent of Al Swearengen's Gem Saloon. We've got all manner of offensive behavior — from swearing and insults to drinking and discussions of bitchez — and without all those ingredients, ZH isn't ZH.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 16:25 | Link to Comment ceilidh_trail
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This is what happens when you sell out to ABC/Disney et al. They gets ta make da rules. Can't say I blame the Tylers though- it's nice to make money for the work you put in- just too bad these guys had to be the buyers. Soon, I'm afraid this place will be like GMA in the mornings- nothing but piffle put out by fliffles...

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 15:32 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Is this new?  Sucks.  If you see something, say something.  Starting to sound like Big Sis and DHS. 

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 18:12 | Link to Comment frenzic
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I'd like to know as well.

What is this "definition" you speak of?

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 19:25 | Link to Comment thisandthat
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I'm afraid probably something along the lines of Euro OMT: que sera, sera...

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:16 | Link to Comment bank guy in Brussels
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First they came for the racist posters

And I said nothing, because I was not a racist poster ...

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 15:35 | Link to Comment Precious
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Wake me up when you get to "assholes".

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:42 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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Funny, I never knew religion was a race. Trying to wrap my mind around the ramifications of atheism...

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:57 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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"Atheism"???

~~~

Oh that [& anything else]... Is EASY to define...

It means... WHATEVER THE FUCK WE [& OUR CORRUPT, PAID FOR, CRONIES, DECIDE IS THE LAW... IT WILL BE LEVIED AGAINST YOU DUE TO LACK OF COMPLIANCE]...

 

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:21 | Link to Comment Taterboy
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Now, how the hell is his nephew gonna cook the goat meat?

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:35 | Link to Comment akak
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Goat: the other camel meat.

It's what's for (hallal) dinner.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:59 | Link to Comment Uncle Remus
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One "l" in halal ese.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 15:21 | Link to Comment Precious
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Don't be a racist.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 15:52 | Link to Comment Uncle Remus
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Don't be a tool.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 15:15 | Link to Comment seek
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In my parts (AZ) the tradition is to use a brand new shiny garbage can. Goat is actually pretty tasty prepared this way.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 15:22 | Link to Comment Uncle Remus
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zinc

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 13:58 | Link to Comment King_of_simpletons
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Jee. That does it. Now all pressure cookers will be confiscated at all TSA checkpoints in airports. The terrorists have won.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 13:58 | Link to Comment dracos_ghost
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Look on the bright side. Buy Uncle Ben's.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:30 | Link to Comment zerozulu
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New TSA warning

 

Throw knifes, guns and pressure cookers in the bin provided before entering this facility.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 19:37 | Link to Comment thisandthat
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(pocket)knives have been cleared by T'n'A, pressure cookers will have to wait...

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:15 | Link to Comment Taterboy
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"First they came for the pressure cookers and I did nothing. Then they came for...."

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:07 | Link to Comment Son of Loki
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<< cheap and broken>>

 

Bingo! I bought one from JCPenneys and the crap did not work....the little metal Thingy on top for some reason did  not do its job. So like an idiot, I go buy another one from JCP with one of those $10 coupons they sent me last week....I'll be darned if this does not work either. Yes, "Hecho in China" but I'm befuddled....I mean, how can something so simply not work?

 

The 'silver lining is that it's forced me to resort to the traditional, Tried and True way of preparing dinner, The Takey Outtie.

 

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:09 | Link to Comment imapopulistnow
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You could of stopped at "I bought one from JCPenney".  We would have figured out the rest on our own.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:17 | Link to Comment Taterboy
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Loki, do you not know all pressure cookers have been neutered in the stores by order of the government.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:26 | Link to Comment BigJim
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The ability of the modern Chinaman to fail to make even the simplest of products i) work, or ii) work for more than a month, never fails to astound me. Their lack of attention to detail, their thoughtless engineering, their reflexive use of the poorest and inappropriate material, continues to confound and amaze me, year after year. Every time I've seen what I think is the very nadir of human workmanship, they surprise and impoverish me with something even worse.

This was one of the great cultures that produced paper, gunpowder, kung fu, acupuncture... all brought low by a few decades of the idiotic teachings of Karl Marx. Incroyable!

PS - Make me laugh! 

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 15:54 | Link to Comment akak
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Alas, alas, three unnecessary extra trips to Wal-Mart to return broken cheaply made crap alas, just have to bear with it.

 

 

PS:  Who are these egregious junkmonkeys who are junking virtually every one of my posts lately?  If you are too cowardly to challenge me for some putative offense that I am apparently making in EVERY post, then fuck you.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 17:09 | Link to Comment ceilidh_trail
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Probably some ananonymous person who wishes to spoil your walkway.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 19:41 | Link to Comment fuu
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Some of us still recall that akak was one of the early organizers of banning people around here.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 21:39 | Link to Comment akak
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Yes, fuu, I am not ashamed to admit that I called for the banning of obvious and clearly demonstrated and egregious trolls, and only three or four of those, at most.  In contrast to those of weak mind and weak sense of justice who are willing to tolerate and condon the most destructive of trolling in the misguided name of "free speech".

It is fools like you, who deny that trolls and trolling can exist and do exist, who have been directly responsible for the degredation and destruction of more online forums than I can count.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 22:39 | Link to Comment Miffed Microbio...
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Akak, I do agree with you about the trolling problem and I too have seen it degrade other sites. However, I must say I have a big problem with banning someone. I must admit I do like polite civil discourse and debate as I have stated before. I do cringe when I read someone truly excoriating another, calling them mother fucking cunts etc. But I realize my offense is my affair. One can only be responsible for ones own feelings, not another's. When you start down the banning path you open up an entire new set of issues and you are faced with a society we have today: militaristic political correctness permeating every facet of our lives. Today racism and religious attacks are held up a reasons for banning. What will tomorrow be? Titty avatars? Sexual slurs? Homophobia? Once one starts down this path we both know the final outcome. This is why I must disagree with you on the trolls. To me, the best response is a good old fashioned Amish shunning. Without the constant stroking they run out of gas and fade away because what they need, more than anything,is attention. Perhaps you've never had a little kid constantly clambering for your attention. As a parent you learn very fast you're in deep shit if you always give it.

I will say sometimes I appreciate some trolls as long as they don't post day after day the same tired drivel. I want my ideas challenged, my world
shaken. I want to read all points of view. I want my ass kicked if I deserve it because I NEVER want to become a deluded lost sheep grazing comfortably in a pasture. Comfort is dangerous because it lulls one into a dangerous tranquility and then you lobotomize yourself further with external stimuli. I was attracted to ZH because it provided a forum to help me grow. And if you call me a self deluded idiot for believing in a higher power I'm certainly ok with that. Banning you for that seems strangely
sacrilegious.

Miffed;-)

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 00:55 | Link to Comment akak
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Miffed, I appreciate your thoughts here, as they are, as usual, quite .... thoughtful.

Nevertheless, I must disagree with you regarding trolls.

First, let me make it clear that when I speak of trolls, I have a very particular, and particularly insidious, sort of poster in mind.  Trolling has almost nothing to do with the advocacy or denigration of any particular opinion or beliefs, but everything to do with tactics.  While the troll generally takes an anti-consensus opinion within a given online community, that which makes them a troll is the repeated, relentless, incessant, and antagonistic spamming of most or every conversation and thread, along with the pointed unwillingness or evasion of meaningful response, discussion or debate.  The troll pretends to be an honest participant in the conversation, but in fact intrudes in it to cloud, divert and distort meaningful discussion instead.  The troll is nothing but an agent of disruption and dissention.

And yes, I have indeed been a member of more than one online forum that were largely or completed effectively destroyed by trolling.  One, in fact, was destroyed (and never recovered) from the rabid actions of ONE single troll --- that is how effective, and destructive, the act of trolling can be.  To simply say "ignore them" is woefully misguided and ineffective, as I have seen that tactic employed, only to further feed their incessant pollution and antagonistic undermining of the forum under attack.  Pulling one's head under the blanket does NOT usually solve the problem of trolling, it much more often merely fans the flames.

I have been attacked and downarrowed by other members here for my uncompromising intolerance of trolling, and I make no apologies for it, nor will I bow to the muddled-headed belief of some that the concept of free speech encompasses, or should tolerate, ALL speech and behavior.  Banning trolling is NOT censorship!  It is simply sweeping aside the broken bottle on the highway in order to allow the traffic to travel as it should.

I see banning demonstrated trolls as analogous to the removal of a crying and screaming infant from a church service or movie theater --- one does not in such cases argue for the "free speech" of the disruptive element that can or will ruin the experience for everyone else, much less when it is the purposeful design of that element to be disruptive.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 01:24 | Link to Comment fuu
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It's a fine line between schtick and troll.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 01:47 | Link to Comment Miffed Microbio...
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Akak, thank you for taking the time to clarify you point for me. Perhaps the lack of definition and terms for describing the various types of trolls has caused my misunderstanding. I must concur with you free speech has never condoned yelling fire in a crowded theater simply for the sheer enjoyment of seeing people trampled. I frankly can't understand why an individual would want to do so but I certainly can't deny the existence of such sadists. And, though I do come off as contemplative and thoughtful, I do believe in swift justice for heinous crimes or overtly abusive people. I am not clouded by over thought in such matters. Please don't label me as a " let's all be tolerant of one another" advocate.These individuals tend to devolve into pure relativism. I do believe in standards.

I do think we are walking on a very dangerously tenuous line here. For example, take Trav for instance. Here was a man who was the most vile, nasty, vicious, evil racist spewing POS who I wouldn't spend 5 minutes in a room with if I met him personally. However, many times he brought up points I hadn't considered and actually was very intelligent and well educated in many areas. Yes to find those attributes you had to wade through a lot of smelly garbage. I am not sure if he qualified as your tactical troll as you describe though he was probably the most verbally hateful. I guess I would be more comfortable with a temporary ban in a case like his and then a permanent if numerous complaints warrant it.

I would not attack or down arrow you for simply having a strong feeling about trolling. You are passionate about the issue and I respect your feelings on the matter. You, obviously have had worse experiences than I and,therefore, are a better judge in this area. But I do fear the " Orlyization" of ZH where strict moderation is the norm and " happy thoughts" rule the day. It seems the pendulum swings always from each extreme and never achieves any balance between the two.

Miffed;-)

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 01:53 | Link to Comment fuu
Wed, 05/15/2013 - 02:20 | Link to Comment akak
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fuu, you really have a bug up your ass in regards to me, don't you?

I would have utterly forgotten, long ago, such an exchange, or almost ANY exchange in this forum.  That you cling so tightly to my perceived faults says, I think, much more about you than it does me.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 08:56 | Link to Comment fuu
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Mostly I just ignore you.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 17:53 | Link to Comment Miffed Microbio...
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Fuu,

Well, if anything, we must admit akak is very consistent in his point of view! thank you for the link.

See my comment below.

Miffed;-)

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 17:49 | Link to Comment Miffed Microbio...
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Akak,
Sorry for taking so long to respond. My life at the moment is a category 5 hurricane and I really needed to collect my thoughts to respond properly to you. Please understand I am not here to criticize but to simply divulge my perspective. I only ask for your consideration as my opinions are given with no hidden meanings or innuendo. I speak to you from the heart as a friend,as an equal in terms of someone striving for goodness, truth, integrity and authenticity. Please bear with me and I welcome any response on your part.

The link provided by fuu is a brief window into an interesting dialog. I will 100% grant you the fact a brief window cannot fully describe a situation that leads to an absolute conclusion. I realize there is much history surrounding this so I don't want to make much of it but use it as illustrative. Trav in this case was really being quite innocuous for Trav but the response you gave was dramatically negative. The heat from the post was palpable. The anger was fever pitched unbalanced into deep hatred. I think you went to a very dark place at that moment. Please understand, I am not judging you I'm just describing what I see as an impartial observer. I have spend most of my life dealing with horrible unbalanced hatred I feel a strong bond with you as a compatriot. To be honest, if that post was about 5 years ago I'd be your staunchest ally in the banning of Trav and I'd high five you when the deed was accomplished. But, what I realized over the course of many many years, every time I banished a Trav in my life an new one was always waiting in the wings ready to take his place. My life became a never ending hellish form of wack-a-mole. I quit jobs, was fired from jobs, moved to a new location...all to no avail. Trav was always there waiting to torture me and i always rose to the occasion to fight him. It became an obsession.There was no joy or peace in my life and I lived in extremes. Eating non stop anything I felt like ( I damn well fucking deserved it!) and then living on lettuce for a month to atone for it. I severed friendships over small issues, it was my way or the highway and fuck them if they didn't see it my way. Until my health started to fail and my dr wanted to put me on Zoloft. I decided I wanted to change and fortunately I found someone who did help me and gave me tools to fight my way out. If you are interested I will show you what I did.

When someone is spouting vehemence, vitriol and anger, you cannot respond in kind. The reason is when you do respond angerly it becomes a mirror. Anger response to anger can ONLY create more anger. Then you have something a kin to 2 big horned rams butting heads. The sound is resonate and striking but no resolution or growth occurs. In all my comments to Trav, negative as well as positive, he never engaged me. Perhaps he didn't consider me worthy for a response. But I never even got a terse " fuck you stupid bitch". Trav wanted a response on his terms and I refused to give it. He found many others more than willing to accommodate his demands. I don't see Trav as a tactical troll as you describe and I don't think he could have distroyed ZH singlehandedly. I think your past interaction with trolls may have caused a bit of hypersensitivity on your part. Your fists are clenched and you jaw is set and tense. Relax,loosen your grip, breath deep and let go. You are smart, articulate, well read and kind. There are many here that admire you and respect you opinion including myself. I'm not flattering you, just telling you what I see. Let your gifts shine through on their own merit, you don't need the hate. It does not truly serve you.

Miffed;-)

Ps oh yeah forgot to mention I finished Fahrenheit. Very good but sad. I can't believe I missed that one! Tx!

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 18:11 | Link to Comment akak
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Miffed, as usual, your comments are obviously both heartfelt and very meaningful.  Thank you for them.

And you are sadly correct in having seen and felt not only my contempt for Trav but actual hatred towards him.  While I stand by every one of my opinions both in this thread and in that older one, I will be the first to admit that I had let my emotions get away with me.  Perhaps it was, as you guess, because of my extensive and extremely bitter past experiences with determined trolls who had wreaked their havoc on several online forums in which I used to participate with such devastating effect.  I suppose my feelings on the matter are so strong because unlike many others, I have mostly only ever participated in one online forum at any given time, and so maybe have come to strongly identify with, and feel defensive towards, each particular forum in turn --- until the trolls succeeded in destroying that one, and I was forced to move on.

But you are right, as usual: the hate is just self-defeating.  I know that, but it can be very hard for me to not [ublicly judge and attack those who clearly demonstrate their devious and pernicious motives and agendas.  What Trav's agenda was, aside from all the deeply personal attacks and his overriding racism, I do not know nor really care, but his swarming and purposeful diversion of so many threads here were not adding to the discussion or discourse, but clearly subtracting from them.

Please do tell me though, Miffed: do you not believe that there are, and have been, clear cases in which a given poster was either effectively or deliberately undermining this forum, and do you believe that any and all comments, of ANY sort, should be tolerated under the guise of "free speech"?  Does not the screaming baby sometimes need to be taken out of the church?

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 21:33 | Link to Comment Miffed Microbio...
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Akak,
Thank you for such a wonderful kind response. I was hoping you would consider my points and was prepared for the hurt of a total aspersion. One can never know when one risks opening up to another. We humans are dangerous creatures and most like to err on the side of safety in such matters. I now breathe a sigh of relief.

There is nothing wrong with anger. In fact it is quite helpful. Anger will often bring one to clarity and sound purpose. Do not apologize for anger. Hatred and hostility are simply unbalanced forms of anger. Hatred does NOT bring clarity. In fact it brings confusion like a wild animal caught in a trap. Responses are not rational but impulsive. In fact, during the rampage of hot hostility you will forget the event. You may remember the beginning of the stirrings of sheer hatred and then see the effects of the storm when it passes but the middle will be muddled as a strange dream where only snippets are seen. Akak, when you RESPOND you are angry ( balanced) when you REACT you are in hatred ( unbalanced). There is a dramatic difference which I hope you understand. Please also understand YOU are not hatred. It may come from some where deep inside from some issue from long ago past, but IT DOES NOT represent you. By understanding this you can tease youself away from it.

In my opinion ( correct me if I'm wrong) I see you a deeply caring, loving and passionate person. And because of this you care for this site and those here who you find commonality and similarity. I wont go so far as calling it a family but a form of one. When you see an interloper who is threatening this you do what any passionate person does when his environment is under attack. You fight with all your heart to preserve the good. This is admirable and believe me this world would be a much better place if more akaks were in it. Look at is this way. Our world is a shamble as we both know. There are sheeple walking amoug us that neither one of us can help. We both are impotent in so many ways. However what if we we're to create a place of respite, a place unsullied from the sickness and horrors of this world? We could visit it and recharge, be ready when called upon in the real world to do what is needed. What we created would be so valuable and precious. Unfortunately this place is not fully insulated and is invaded by those who wish it's destruction. A demonic force if you will. To ignore a demon is foolhardy. To engage it fully has its problems because it has infinite energies and resources and will simply wear you down as it morphs into new forms over and over again. This is like when I was caught in a rip tide when I was 12 and started to panic fighting to pull my self to shore. Thank god I remembered my training and swam a mile diagonal to shore and am alive to talk to you today.

I do not " tolerate" the posters you allude to. You forget I am a passionate person as you and my history of hatred makes it easy to fall into that mode. However, I will not allow anyone draw me into engagement unless I do so thoughtfully and on my terms. I demand that respect and if that won't be given I won't engage. This is not cowardice. I value my worth more than anyone who would use me and put me somewhere emotionally I don't want to go. I will given no one the satisfaction they got me and twisted me on a hot spear. I think you have wonderful gifts, a delightful writing style and I always enjoy reading your comments and points of view. But I do think at times you need to pause a bit. Sometimes the little baby doesn't need the whipping. There are approaches that can be just as effective. Thank you for hearing me an be kind to the one known as Akak.

Miffed;-)

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 23:06 | Link to Comment fuu
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"Please do tell me though, Miffed: do you not believe that there are, and have been, clear cases in which a given poster was either effectively or deliberately undermining this forum, and do you believe that any and all comments, of ANY sort, should be tolerated under the guise of "free speech"?  Does not the screaming baby sometimes need to be taken out of the church?"

 

You didn't ask me but I am going to jump in here. The guy that was stalking mosley at work and the guy posting direct links to torrents deserved to be banned.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 15:08 | Link to Comment css1971
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Marx? God no.

"Planned Obsolescence" and "Value Engineering" in an inflationary environment.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 15:19 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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Ah, ah, jumping on conclusions can lend unproficiency when numerible due is not diligenced.

Remindings that many Chineses make assemblement on specifications given by US citizenism corporate citizens. Chineses then build to given standard diligently, paying no attentions on AnAnonymist Chinese Citizenism Communautist Party Ministry of Truth propagations.

Chineses can with precisionated style manufactory when specification standards possessing proness to qualitation. This gives to costings the higher, must bear with it if the quality you can take is desired.

Remainings this the case unless declaration of WalMartial Law, which then grievously pours the quality you can't take.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 19:42 | Link to Comment Diogenes
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They can make good stuff. What they can't do is make Americans pay for it.

Friend of mine deals in high end tube electronic components. He bought some from a Chinese supplier over the phone a few years ago. The salesman kept emphasizing how cheap his goods were. My friend told him he did not want the cheapest, he wanted the best quality they could make.

The Chinese salesman was thrilled to bits. He promised the best components available, and he came through with good parts on time.

The cost was about 30% more than the cheap crap.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:45 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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I've got a brand new one in the basement that's unusable, because the cheap plastic handle broke off before it ever got used. Somebody saw it in a thrift shop and picked it up for me anyway (knowning how I like cheap, broken shit).

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 15:01 | Link to Comment css1971
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LOL.

That's inflation for you. In a deflationary environment, people buy quality because if you absolutely have to buy something it damned better last a while. With inflation they just want to get rid of the cash on any old crap before it becomes worthless.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 16:14 | Link to Comment RaceToTheBottom
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Hold on, let me check the TSA phone app.  It will tell me the acceptable size and brand of pressure cooker....

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 19:38 | Link to Comment thisandthat
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Lucky you, probably toxic aluminium...

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 13:55 | Link to Comment Divine Wind
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Way.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 13:56 | Link to Comment Hippocratic Oaf
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Can't fix stupid

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 13:59 | Link to Comment HelluvaEngineer
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Susie Homemaker is the new face of terrorism.  Did you catch the part about how she was trying to preserve her wealth?  You know what I mean.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:04 | Link to Comment imapopulistnow
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Only if she homeschools.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 15:02 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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No... Not true...

~~~

MsCreant has informed all of us that 'homeschooling' is THE WAY to the advancement of civilization... Otherwise ~ we run the risk of a world filled with future NBA stars... [or crack dealers for those who don't make the team]...

If NOT for 'homeschooling'... We'd never have such TITANS of thought as Bernanke, Krugman, Summers, Rubin, or "tanks in the streets' Paulson...

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:17 | Link to Comment Jonas Parker
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I thought the new face of terrorism was "Betty of Crockerstan"...

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 21:34 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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An IRS agent will soon straighten her act out...

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:04 | Link to Comment freewolf7
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He was going INTO Detroit with a pressure cooker.
This could be a good thing.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:23 | Link to Comment Taterboy
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If they stop welfare, Detroit will become a pressure cooker.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:11 | Link to Comment jal
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EVERYONE

MAKE THE SYSTEM IMPLODE

BUY A PRESSURE COOKER BEFORE BOARDING A PLANE

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 15:44 | Link to Comment ThisIsBob
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Don' fuck with those people.  Cops plant shit.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:25 | Link to Comment PiltdownMan
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All sorts of bad news out of Detroit.  Budget $100 million deficit, Detroit muni yields skyrocketing, etc. See this guy's review.

http://confoundedinterest.wordpress.com/2013/05/13/detroits-deficit-spending-problem-and-the-orr-report-100-million-deficit/

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:51 | Link to Comment fuu
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I bet her arms got tired holding that thing.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 13:55 | Link to Comment RacerX
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everything about this guy sounds suspect.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:03 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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Indeed. "Via Amsterdam"

Shouldn't he have had a dutch oven instead?

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:08 | Link to Comment Agent P
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That's just rude to do on a plane...though they do supply the blankets, so I guess it's to be expected.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dutch%20oven

 

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:13 | Link to Comment oddjob
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No need for blankets, that sweet smelly air will recirculate for the whole trip...then the passenegers will line up to do it all over again.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 16:10 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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Funny that that the same solution to that problem would also address the easy transmission of infectious disease in confined spaces- too bad DHS, CDC, and the FAA still don't really care about preventing the use of civilian aircraft as WMDs against American citizens...

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:13 | Link to Comment imapopulistnow
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One learns so much useful info on ZH. 

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:17 | Link to Comment Umh
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There are some real sicko people in this world.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:34 | Link to Comment zerozulu
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Glad that he came with empty pressure cooker.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 13:56 | Link to Comment Cdad
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Confidence inspiring.  TSA is on full pressure cooker alert.  I feel better already.

So...no tomato canning this summer?  

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:28 | Link to Comment Ignatius
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Now if it were stuffed with nails, ball bearings and gun powder he might have been on to something.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:44 | Link to Comment TheMeatTrapper
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I had been hiding all my PM's in my pressure cooker in case the Feds went for my safe. 

Guess I better find a new hiding spot. 

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:50 | Link to Comment imapopulistnow
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Homeland Security should be banging down your door about........now.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 13:59 | Link to Comment Jekyll_n_Hyde_Island
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Charges will be dropped and less people will bring pressure cookers on airliners -- Arab or otherwise.

  This probably wouldn't have been an issue if a travel page wasn't missing from his passport and he declared the pressure cooker.

  Honest mistakes.  I don't really see a problem with this.  Should I, Tyler?

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:09 | Link to Comment freewolf7
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We're down to this?
The Fed Is having a party on my backside, and we're targeting passengers carrying cookware?

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:37 | Link to Comment zerozulu
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What could be on that missing page?  A trip to Israel!

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 15:45 | Link to Comment BigJim
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An Al-Qaeda training camp entry stamp, from before the time the CIA had them remove their crest from the logo.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 16:18 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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1) you don't have to declare a cheap pressure cooker

2) it's not a crime to be missing a page from your passport, and they haven't necessarily provided any evidence that he altered it

3) He was charged with lying to CPB, and assumedly not in his native tongue (which only means that his statement changed over time)

 

#3 is an oldie and goodie, just ask your friendly neighborhood thug in blue, when you throw in the language nuance barrier- it becomes that much easier to convince the subject that you're trying to help them instead of entrapping them.

 

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 13:55 | Link to Comment Cacete de Ouro
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And don't leave your pressure cooker operating manual in your glovebox when you park at the airport either...

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 13:56 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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Bullish for microwave sales?

My Emeril Lagasse digital pressure cooker is the bomb - tender pot roast in one hour.

http://www.jr.com/tfal/pe/TFL_CY4000001/

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:05 | Link to Comment iDealMeat
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+1,  Good Form.  Your comment just lit up NSA's iDrones.. Off to FEMA camp for you..

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:48 | Link to Comment zerozulu
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Signs are every where that this country is fucked up but how will people understand?

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 17:17 | Link to Comment Esso
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Until their iDooDads go dark, not a fuckin' chance in hell...

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 13:56 | Link to Comment Joe Davola
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He will henceforth be known as Abut Tube Wataborded.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:01 | Link to Comment BraveSirRobin
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 We are idiots.

Also, when did bringing a pressure cooker into the US become a crime? Seriously.

 

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:13 | Link to Comment olto
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Brave Sir Robin,

Please, sir, you must recall that we are at war. Why else would we have given up our constitution and the Bill of Rights?

As individuals, we are now without responsibility, having put all of our trust and confidence in our democratically-elected government, and--------------------

We are watching you            

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:14 | Link to Comment TN Jed
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There wasn't a crime until he changed his story.  Say it right, say it once.

I imagine it went down like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR36lzNfr7k

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:39 | Link to Comment zerozulu
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Coming to USA is a punishment enough.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:54 | Link to Comment imapopulistnow
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How about going to Detroit? 

GITMO may be a more hospitable place.  At least there are tropical breezes, palm trees, all the Enfamil you can forcefeed.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 13:57 | Link to Comment q99x2
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5 years and the terrorist FEDs will be in prison and others will be facing death penalties. Things are really turning. People with money are getting pissed.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:03 | Link to Comment Socratic Dog
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"People with money are getting pissed".

Now that is an interesting comment.  Is it true?  If so, it sounds like a ray of light to me.  Could there actually be hope we can turn back the Leviathan, courtesy of the rich? 

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:30 | Link to Comment edifice
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No, they won't.  Things will continue, status quo, until the football/beer/wings feed is cut off.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 13:58 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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I have one of these. Most used appliance in my kitchen. 

edit: Other than the range.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:01 | Link to Comment Bryan
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Only 5000 rupees for the Big Boy 22 liter.  So are these only sold in India?  I have not seen that brand before in the US.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:33 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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I got mine from the Evil Empire.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:01 | Link to Comment imapopulistnow
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Not the popcorn button on the microwave?

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:06 | Link to Comment kridkrid
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Welcome to the watch list.... Again.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 13:57 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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I thought the eventual outcome of Ben's QE was the pressure cooker.

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