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Taiwan May Send Warships, F-16s To Escalate Philippine Naval Confrontation

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While most consider the Middle-East a hot-bed of geopolitical risk (prone to flare at any moment), it seems hot money flows and territorial disputes are rapidly turning the South China Sea into a powder-keg. As Japan vs China is off the front pages for a moment (and US and South Korea engage in joint naval exercises) it seems Taiwan and the Philippines are escalating rapidly following the death of a Taiwanese fisherman last week after Filipino military fired on his vessel in supposedly disputed territory between Taipei and Manila. The situation is evolving rapidly as the Philippines' un-apology (though they sent their condolences) may prompt Taiwan to send F-16 fighters, Kidd-class destroyers, and three or more warships, according to The Liberty Times. The threat of escalation is premised on a formal apology coming within 72 hours. As Stratfor notes, Taiwan's territorial 'claims' are "outrageously ambitious" but the various island nations all appear set on rattling sabres as mainland China stiffens its resolve against Japan over the Senkakus.


Taiwan's "ambitious" territorial claims...


Timeline of the Philippines vs Taiwan drama... (via The Global Times)


Brief Stratfor clip on the tensions...


Given the movements of the Navy (below), it would seem the US is well aware of where tensions are starting to rise - in addition to the nimitz which is part of the Korean exercise, there is a large deck amphibious ship in the East China Sea


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Mon, 05/13/2013 - 23:45 | 3559197 Ahmeexnal
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Mon, 05/13/2013 - 23:51 | 3559209 flacon
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This should be good for the S&P. 

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 00:00 | 3559217 Stackers
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Why is Filipino spelled with an "F" ?

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 00:06 | 3559233 Nassim
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The "Philip" in Philippines comes from the Spanish king - Las Islas Filipinas

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 00:57 | 3559292 Ahmeexnal
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It is called Filipinas because flips live there.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 12:16 | 3560874 Agstacker
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Then who lives in Niger?

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 00:14 | 3559238 Never One Roach
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b/c Filipino sounds better with an "F" then a "Q"


That's why.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 01:02 | 3559301 Monedas
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Comes from King Felipe .... of Spain ?

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 01:30 | 3559330 Divine Wind
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It's silent like the "P" in swimming.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 05:26 | 3559497 SilverIsKing
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Thanks for clarifying. I learn more from ZH than I ever learned in my 18 years of formal edumacation.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 09:46 | 3560138 old naughty
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"it would seem the US is well aware of where tensions are starting to rise"


Why of course...

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 00:01 | 3559220 AlaricBalth
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2010 - China inks arms deal with Phillipines
2011 - U.S. signs arms deal with Taiwan
2013- Taiwan and Phillipines at odds

Just another move in the geo-political chess match.
Is anyone surprised?

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 00:14 | 3559239 DoChenRollingBearing
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Actually I am kind of surprised.  And dismayed because Taiwan and the Philippines OUGHT to be allies vs. China re the South China Sea.

It is really stupid of both countries, they should both be ashamed.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 05:49 | 3559514 Seer
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One ought to make the distinction between the puppet and the string-pullers.

Both the Philippines and Taiwan are dependent upon the string-pullers.  Clearly this is all tenuous.  When the Titans are done these places will be utterly devastated: and since I have relatives in the Philippines I'm more than just an casual observer on this one.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 09:18 | 3559978 flapdoodle
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"hey guys, we  need a distraction - you and you start a fight while I steal all the gold..."

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 07:49 | 3559641 Ignatius
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Looking at the generous line that China has drawn in open waters stretching all the way south of Vietnam and we get a very nice visual of  imperialism in action.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 08:22 | 3559715 i-dog
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Don't get too excited ... Taiwan is "owned" by China (with Ma in charge). It's all posturing for other geo-political purposes. Same with the Koreas.

< Oh, look ... a squirrel! >

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 00:04 | 3559226 The Thunder Child
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Hong Shi Ferdinand

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 00:14 | 3559241 BLOTTO
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Its like watching Return of the Jedi when those star and superstar destroyers maneuvered around...

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 00:21 | 3559246 RideTheWalrus
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"It's a TRAP!"

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 23:55 | 3559211 wee-weed up
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Look... up in the sky... is it a bird... is it a plane...?

Wait... Yes, it is a bird... it's a Black Swan!

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 00:06 | 3559231 Handful of Dust
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Japanese will soon claim they get desperate to evacuate Fuki Island, formerly known as Honshu, their Biggest island.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 00:16 | 3559242 Major Major Major
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I have heard that some Japanese believe they attacked pearl harbor to free the Hawaiians from the colonizers.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 00:47 | 3559275 suteibu
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The Japanese attack was the second invasion of the islands by a military force.  In 1893, the US Marines landed to overthrow the legitimate Hawaiian Kingdom for the Dole Corporation.  Perhaps the Japanese, who had many relatives living there at the time, thought their attack would be a two-fer.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 00:59 | 3559294 Ahmeexnal
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So the US is not a banana republic, but a pineapple republic? Wait...Dole also has banana fields.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 02:58 | 3559398 foolbar
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Most geo-political 'real-politiks' folks can tell you that the USA is a 'banana republic with nukes'.

Where the vast majority of its citizens are wage slaves, and almost 50% are on food-stamps. That my dears is what you call a 'banana republic'.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 08:56 | 3559852 moonstears
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foolbar, alot of what you type here, is a bit off or grammatically incorrect (you're means "you are" i.e.), but, this is a pretty bright observation. +1

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 09:10 | 3559935 Gold Eyed Cat
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Ironically, "a lot" is two words.  But you get a +1 for totally mastering the backhanded compliment!

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 09:30 | 3560040 TuPhat
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Gold Eyed Cat, you get a +1 for understanding "a Lot".

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 10:02 | 3560216 Ahmeexnal
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must be a Sir Mix A Lot fan.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 01:09 | 3559311 Major Major Major
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The State Motto:

Ua mau ke ea o ka aina i ka pono.

Translation in context: The sovereignty of the land is perpetuated in righteousness.

How they want to to understand it: The life of the land is perpetuated in righteousness.

However, it was and is truly about sovereignty of the people and when understood in the proper context it was stated in, the motto of Hawaii denies the existince of the "State of Hawaii."

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 07:36 | 3559619 Bobbyrib
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Anytime Hawaii wants to secede from the union and take back its sovereignty is fine with me. Hawaii is heavily subsidized and the US has been paying for its land grab for decades.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 10:16 | 3560284 spine001
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Handful of Dust,  the Japanese don't know yet, but as you imply their government does know. The fallout of 4 nuclear reactors going into meltdown, the fact that they haven't found the CORIUM of any of those reactors yet, that fact that they have contaminated with radioactive waste their sea and most important source of protein, fish and the know fact that due to bioaccumulation all the radioisotopes will end up at the top of the food chain is something that they understand all too well. Thus they know that they are mutating to something else, gods knows what and that once the mutation triggers are switched they last for many generations (it is part of our evolution, the ability to rapidly change to adapt to changing conditions when radiation is high, like it was at the beginning of life on earth). That is happening. If you don't believe me you just need to look at the infant death rate in the regios of the USA that had rain in coincidence with the movement of the radiation particles that came from Fukushima, it spiked and it was reported. But it was covered up. OK, that was only a very small percentage of the radiation that went into the sea when they were just flooding the CORIUM to try to cool it and slow down the reaction to avoid a criticality.

Japan has two choices and they know it, expand or die...

Until next time,


Mon, 05/13/2013 - 23:48 | 3559202 jonjon831983
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Ah, why not.  Just throw more things into the pot.  Run interference so it becomes normal to have a few fleets out at sea with guns out.  Now nobody knows wtf is going to happen fo realz.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 23:48 | 3559203 urbanelf
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We're just one bullet away from recovery!!!

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 23:51 | 3559210 Dr. Engali
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With all the hotspots heating up around the world we are going to need moar warships as we continue to spread freedom and democracy around the globe.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 11:48 | 3560726 Matt
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Remember, he who goes to war last, wins. Plenty of time to build up on the sidelines.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 00:02 | 3559222 Little John
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At times like this we should be thankful for having the wise and effective leadership we do. I'm just gonna' sit here and fell safe and secure for a while - at least 'till I sober up and damned old reality shows up again. 

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 00:03 | 3559224 Schmuck Raker
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Glad to see China has Taiwan's back.


Tue, 05/14/2013 - 00:05 | 3559228 PGR88
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Time to let China have Taiwan.

Really, what the fuck does the USA care?  15% of all Taiwanese live in China anyway.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 00:14 | 3559237 foolbar
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What does the USA care about CUBA?


Used to be before Las Vegas that the CIA/NSA mafia kept all their whores in CUBA,... and a great R&R was had by all.


For some 60+ years Taiwan has been a USA service-base for asian pussy, something you cannot find on the mainland china for USA servicemen.


So Castro booted out the jack-boot thugs ( CIA ) out of Cuba, and freed his people of imperialism.


Now CHINA has been patient and eaten shit for 50+ years, all the while the USA controlled an island not far from mainland china,


USA democracy is HYPOCRISY, so say "malcolm x", and that got him killed and something about 'chickens coming home to roost'


The USA needs pretext to reneg on $2Trillion in debt to china ( tbill holder ), and this would be as smart as taking russian money from cyprus banks, ... harm to nobody.


China will not be STUPID, but the fucking stupid USA, ... will do some stupid shit to provoke.


OK USA parasites, ... how would you feel if CHINA opened a whore house of little white girls, say just a few miles from the USA shore?


The problem is the USA is broke, and its money is fake,


The remaining USA bases TAIWAN, PHILIPINES, ... JAPAN ... MUST go ... of course the USA doesn't want to lose this real estate, ... this is probably the only reason we still control... Oh, ... I forgot KOREA we control that too,


Who to bet? Just look at the CNY/USD ratio, and see for yourself who will be the winner. :)


Tue, 05/14/2013 - 00:29 | 3559255 Hi Ho Silver
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The U.S. does not need to reneg on it's foreign held debt, it has the biggest, fastest money printing machine in all of history. The Bernanke can print $2 trillion in ten minutes. And only because it takes him 9 minutes to figure out how many zeroes there are in $2 trillion.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 01:00 | 3559281 foolbar
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Well the EURO mafia didn't need to hair-cut the Cyprus banks, cuz they could have pulled euro-paper out of their arse.

So be it for USA,

FED printed money is quite different than t-bills ( US government IOU's ), should and could and would the US government not have to make good on all that debt held by china, then the USA budget could once again look like the virgin mary, prior to insemination.

"bernanke' is just running the ponzi, and most of that money is OFF the books and not part of the US-TREASURY,

The way it works is T-BILL holder's are the first paid,

Should there be a war, the cops, fbi, cia, nsa, .. want a paycheck, the chinese money all $2 trillion could nicely fund the jack-boot pension fund.

We can call this a BONUS, ... and maybe even a 'fisheman fund', essentially while MA&PA amiriKKKa starve and/or fuck/eat their first born, the jack-boot assholes "cops, solider, firemen, and all who get a US treasury check' in the mail every month will never go hungry.

Bernanke funny money is used to BUY t-bonds where there are no buyers at the auction, ... is a whole different TOPIC.

Again my argument holds, if stealing weren't important then EURO-MAFIA would NOT have demanded a russian hair-cut in cyprus, and just today cyprus got $2 billion euros ( now that was funny money ), ...

Jack Booted thug assholes like to steal money, whether it chinese or russian, to show who is the boss, same as a hair lip USA citizen might kick a dog, or beat a child, or rape a woman.

Everybody and anybody in the USA that's gets a US-government check in the mail, or E-deposited,
In my mind is a jack-boot NAZI fucking enabler to the system.

No rationality needed to understand USA imperialism, and remember the IMF (EURO overlord) is/was created by the same people who created the CIA/NSA.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 01:05 | 3559306 Ahmeexnal
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Speaking of Malcolm-X and whores, his grandson got himself a tremendous beating in some whorehouse in Mexico and died as a result.
I wonder if Ogolfer will send troops to avenge his nephew.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 02:43 | 3559380 foolbar
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Yep, ... never I mean NEVER any where in the world, if your out and meet some girls and they say 'come with us to a bar', ... fucking stupid, so they went, and they got a bar-bill for $1200 ... but only an idiot goes upstairs, ... so on one note I'll concur that the little X was about as stupid as BAMBI in the head-lights which fit's our OREO-OBAMA perfectly, not much different than him or george-bush silver spoon.

People get wasted everyday, this ain't news, and its stupid to boot, to let girls sent out by their mob boyfriends, to lure bambi-ist's back to the bar. I have no sympathy. Had he turned over what pocket money he had, and showed some RESPECT, he might still be alive.

I wish the BIG-ZERO had some similar with X, but X wrote the greatest biography in US history, the Big-Zero is just a whore in a k-mart suit. The 'X' had much to say 50 years ago about what ails the USA, the 'O' is what 'X' would call an uncle tom.

In summary little-X, had a big mouth, and long criminal record, he went to the wrong place, and the mexican mafia had their way with him, ... happens everyday in the USA and everywhere else. A little respect goes a long way, and he his cred's didn't save him in that venue.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 07:18 | 3559603 overmedicatedun...
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foolbar, keep posting..your a little off, but ain't we all.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 09:13 | 3559946 swmnguy
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That branch of the Shabazz family is a very sad story.  Malcolm and Betty's second daughter, Qubilah, witnessed her father's murder when she was 4.  She had her son, who just died, when she was in her early 20s.  Then for some reason, in the early 1990s, she wound up here in Minneapolis.  I don't know for sure, but the usual reason people wind up here for mysterious reasons involves discreet drug treatement.  While she was here, she had the misfortune to run into Michael Fitzpatrick, who either was a former casual classmate of hers, or convinced her he was. 

He was quite the piece of work.  I ran into him a couple of times in the Minneapolis coffee shop scene.  He was a skeevy bastard who befriended everyone who talked radical, and then tried to egg them into doing something illegal, and preferably violent.  In other words, he might as well have been wearing an FBI vest.  Well, poor Qubilah was unstable enough at that point that when he started egging her on about her family's grudge against Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam over Malccolm's murder, she didn't have the fortitude to tell him to go fuck himself.  That led to the very weird scenario of the Federal Prosecutor's office actiing to "protect" Louis Farrakhan by charging Qubilah Shabazz with soliciting Fitzpatrick to murder Farrakhan.

The whole thing was disgusting setup, and finally the embarrassing flimsiness of it led authorities to allow Qubilah to settle up and finish her treatment.

In the mean time, little Malcolm had been bounced all around, and went to live with Grandma.  Little Malcolm was all fucked up already, and started a fire that ended up killing Grandma.  The poor kid never had a chance.  There's severe instability, if not outright mental illness, down that side of the family, and you have to grant that they come by it honestly.  Seeing your dad murdered will mess you up; look at Bruce Wayne.

And now the kid walks into a really obvious bad-idea situation and gets murdered.  Mexico City isn't the Patpong in Bangkok; by comparison the Patpong is Disneyfied.  That's a dangerous enough place, but as others have pointed out, if you go anywhere in a Mexican red-light district, you're going to have a choice between losing all your money or all your life.  Young Malcolm apparently chose unwisely, or it wasn't an either/or situation.  Very sad all around.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 09:47 | 3560142 acrabbe
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you're way off on this one foolboy. way off... actually, sounds like you don't know a goddamned thing about malcom shabazz aside from the fact that he was black. idiot...

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 06:03 | 3559519 Seer
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Yeah, right...  the exact kind of story one would expect TPTB to write.

"I wonder if Ogolfer will send troops to avenge his nephew."

And what is the logic behind this statement?  More closet rascist drivel?

Obama is The System.  Shabazz is/was not.

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

- Martin Niemöller

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 08:07 | 3559637 i-dog
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"Obama is The System. Shabazz is/was not"

Exactly. Though, Malcolm-X was groomed within the Khazarain Kult, he later turned against them. That is an automatic death sentence. Little Malcolm could well have been a follow-up on that (they generally exact punishment on all generations of the family of one who turns against with the Kennedys), though it could also have just been a random.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 01:45 | 3559338 enloe creek
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cool theoretical question but it likely isn't going to go that way is it?
so hopeful are people to see the U S fail they conjure up these fantasies about this or that bad thing happening when the basic facts are no other country has the means to extend a military worldwide and it is not ever going to ne possible for any country to ass the wealth and expertise to launch such a military with the energy situation as it is.

The U S has the only world wide navy and that is all there is to it
we control the sea and the air for the most part so any move to build a rival for e would be prohibiy expensive. Since wealth in china is derived from exports there is no funding a huge military.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 02:33 | 3559370 foolbar
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History is full of military superpowers that collapse.

Here's the nuts&bolts. The US dollar is toilet paper, but forced upon the oil/drug/blood world by the US-DOD, if you don't trade in dollars your country is destroyed ( think libya, iraq, .... )

So the charade that is the US government is only as good as the US-DOLLAR holds out as a reserve currency, the false patriots ( us soldiers, fbi, cia/nsa goons ) will only come to work so long as there is a paycheck, once those US dollars have no value, its game-over.

The US has already a 'failed nation', I remember as a young kid in special forces, the first thing my commander taught us was that USA was just a 3rd world back-water colony with NUKES, at the time and this was a long fucking time ago, I clearly understood his point. In all metrics, survival of infants, reading/writing, the USA is on level with Zimbabwe.

Ok, I'll concur with you this week the USA is vastly superior, but as we all know, INDIA/CHINA have the best computer-scientists, and RUSSIA to boot, its only IF&WHEN the 90% vast majority of the earth PULL the plug, it wouldn't be hard, just a little virus in the trade-settlement system, and all US dollar currency actions fail worldwide, ... they're just waiting for the right fucking time.

Besides so far the USA is doing the best fucking job possible shooting its self in the foot.

That Russia, & China, ... and all other free people simply wait for the USA to have its little civil war, and then all the soldiers return home to kill brother's & sister's, then the world doesn't have to do a fucking thing.

So now its largely a game of wait and let the BULLY have his way, but he will fall off the wall, and rather soon, and when he goes down, he'll never again get up.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 09:19 | 3559981 no2foreclosures
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The technical and proper term for those "US treasuries" is "US toiletries".

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 02:52 | 3559390 foolbar
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OK, ... less than 10% of the entire CHINESE economy is 'export dependent'.

I don't want to pick on you,... just pointing out that where in the fuck do you get this shit? [ "Since wealth in china is derived from exports.."]

Just because WALMART is where ameriKKKa shops, doesn't mean that everybody in china works at at the WALMART warehouse.

See folks this is the real problem here, and its that 99% of what all of you on ZH think you know, in fact your 100% wrong, and then you try to make rational assertions about life.

So let's move on and think about the problem, last week you were bashing europe, and now asia, but the problem is in your own fucking toilet, the problem is the USA is a rotten cesspool.

Given that all job's in china, that less than 10% of them are export related, its safe to say, that if tomorrow china turns its back on the world, and restored the 'great wall', that it would have very little serious impact to chinese life.

WRT to people moving from village to city, let's just remember to study the USA, long ago most in USA were farmers, today NONE are farmers, or almost none.

Same with china, in the past 20-40 years most young men left the farms and ventured to the city's for a better life.

So to speak like china has a problem, well it just shows that the pathetic US citizen, just thinks too USA-CENTRIC, its the USA that could fall off the cliff tomorrow, and NOBODY would care, and most would proclaim 'JOY and peace on earth",

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 05:48 | 3559513 Element
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+1 lol ... I had to up tick that, mostly so true, mostly

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 06:14 | 3559530 Seer
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"Export dependent" is really the wrong metric anyway.  The correct metric would be "import dependent."  Clearly there are problems for BOTH China and the US, being that they're such heavy importers of energy.

"the USA that could fall off the cliff tomorrow, and NOBODY would care, and most would proclaim 'JOY and peace on earth","

I have no such illusions, though I detest statism, of things being "better."  Things will just BE.  I know that the Philippines' GDP is 10% based on remittances, in which case a collapsed US (which also inflates other countries that might be employing Filipinos) WILL have a negative impact there.  It's scary how the Edward Bernays style of propaganda has infested the Philippines: I'm thankful that my wife, who excelled in logic at school, was able to grasp my de-programming information.


Tue, 05/14/2013 - 06:36 | 3559545 prains
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although the chinese can go back to the dark ages without so much as a blip on the screen, most of them have never left. The Various States of Detroitification however, will not have such an easy time decending back into the dark ages once the spice stops flowing. Moar Woar is the new cowbell, only this time the false flag is being exported to some other place. The World Trade Centre false flag has been misplaced for now.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 07:20 | 3559605 Seer
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Some things to ponder...

There's still a LOT of Chinese that were swept into the "Chinese Dream" (counterfeit "American Dream").

In the US the trends, while not portrayed as such in the propaganda pages, are clearly known/felt to be down.

I think that a greater shock will hit the Chinese society than the US's.  I further think that the US govt has more plans in place for this than does the Chinese govt.

It's all nit-picking... we're talking about who is going to finish first in the race to the glue factory...

"Moar Woar is the new cowbell"

Resource shortages always bring war.  About all we can do at this point is to wager on what the story used to hide the reality from the citizenry will be.

"The World Trade Centre false flag has been misplaced for now."

Most didn't understand this as a false flag, so looking for one ain't going to be something we can expect to be expected.  I think that it did its job (bringing us all the "protections") and that now it's only a matter of weaving a new story for the Big War: bend over and give your all in support of the troops...

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 07:46 | 3559627 prains
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yes there will be a greater shock to the few chinese that have left the fields years ago but to many i don't think they'll barely lift their heads from the toil of their own survival as they've spent millenia working in the shadow of the glue factory. Plus most of them aren't armed.

the new false flag will be draped in what will appear to be the most incontrovertible of truths. as soon as it appears to be only the only possible truth, that will be your flase flag. It will summon ALL the resources of the "state/msm". Boston was a training mission to see if any loose ends could be tracked down by "bloggers with cameras" that need to be addressed before the "big" one.

Remember; it will be incontrovertible

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 08:01 | 3559670 Ignatius
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Man, I'm gonna sleep better having read this.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 09:22 | 3560004 swmnguy
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Some very interesting points.  I wonder if "the US govt has more plans in place for this [socio-economic collapse] than does the Chinese govt."  The Chinese gov't sees itself as the heir to a 3000 year line of governance (actually more like 5000 yr., in their cosmology; about 2500 years as we interpret their history; but whatever).  For almost that entire time, whomever has been ruling China has had as their #1 priority dealing with peasant revolts.  I wouldn't discount any government's ability to stupidly screw something up, but the Chinese government has been thinking about this for a very long time, and has had many opportunites to experiment.  I also think when it all comes down the Chinese government has far less compunction about killing than Western governments do, if that's possible.

Unfortunately, we may find out.

Individual Chinese people with whom I've had the opportunity to talk, know perfectly well the US is going to screw them out of any money reliant on the US honoring its side of the bargain.  They're just looking to convert and get what what they can while the getting is possible.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 09:32 | 3560053 no2foreclosures
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It's not so much as a dark age as it is about a peasant life.  During the turn of the last century, China had about 700 million peasants, and today China has about the same number of peasants.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 07:41 | 3559626 Bobbyrib
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Castro freed his people from US imperialism? I haven't heard such liberal bullshit since the last time I actually listened to an Obama supporter's opinion. Castro fucked that country up worse than the CIA ever could have imagined. The Castro brothers are pretty much loathed by Cubans for grabbing power and the wealth of Cuba. What percent of Cubans live in poverty vs when Bautista (our puppet) was in power?

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 07:43 | 3559628 prains
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when two crime syndicates go toe to toe;


it's never about the people

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 07:58 | 3559661 Bobbyrib
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I agree, but foolbar's original post said something about Castro liberating his country from US imperialism. I was just stating that Castro made it worse for Cubans.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 08:47 | 3559818 Terminus C
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I think you are disagreeing on the definitions of "worse" and "Cubans". 

Cuba is only "worse" off because the US cut off all trade to the island and pressured its allies to do the same.  Cuba before the revolution was a slave colony and after it was starved by the vindictive former master.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 09:36 | 3560080 no2foreclosures
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The poverty of Cuba has everything to do with your sanctions and economic embargoes which you yankees have been imposed on that island nation since the 1960s.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 07:54 | 3559653 BostonBill99
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The US has no bases in Taiwan, and does not operate an embassy there, either.  Having visted Taiwan many times while in the US Navy, I can tell you first hand it is NOT a "service base for asian pussy" as you so eloquently put it.  Get your facts right before you start pontificating.  -1

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 07:54 | 3559654 BostonBill99
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The US has no bases in Taiwan, and does not operate an embassy there, either.  Having visted Taiwan many times while in the US Navy, I can tell you first hand it is NOT a "service base for asian pussy" as you so eloquently put it.  Get your facts right before you start pontificating.  -1

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 00:05 | 3559229 Fuku Ben
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Why are China and Taiwan's claims the same?

They are 2 separate sovereign countries




Tue, 05/14/2013 - 00:06 | 3559232 CitizenLame
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I dont think something will happen right now, China is probing with its neighboors to see what reaccions they can get from the West... for in the near future they themselves will be doing the same and then in an instant flash of light WW3 will start 

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 00:13 | 3559236 NidStyles
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Here we go again... I want this patch of dirt!!! No it's my patch of dirt!!! As a Filipino I do not understand the interest of that region. There is nothing there.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 00:21 | 3559247 RideTheWalrus
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Shipping lanes.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 00:37 | 3559268 suteibu
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Bullshit.  It is in no one's interests to shut down those shipping lanes.  This is just America's excuse for claiming every region on earth as critical to its "national and security interests."

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 01:20 | 3559323 RideTheWalrus
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Yeah your right, at no point in history has controlling the silk roads or the shipping lanes been important to anyone.

There's no 'national and security interests' in free trade and easy passage. That's why the US doesn't care about Panama and why China doesn't care about Tibet.

Your right, well done.


Tue, 05/14/2013 - 02:44 | 3559381 suteibu
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Silk road?  The British navy resolved that issue long ago when it sailed into Shanghai and Hong Kong/Canton. The days of controlling shipping routes is over.

The only nation that would close a body of water these days, given the modern weaponry most all major nations have, is one which wanted to start a war.  It doesn't require America's standing military all over the world to keep those lanes open as, in addition to starting said war, closing the shipping lanes would be economic death for the nation that did it.  China needs to ship its goods like South Korea and Japan and the US.  It has no benefit in closing them.

The US gave up control of the Panama Canal because it didn't need that control any longer given its ability to respond militarily just about anywhere (well...anywhere except a consulate in Benghazi, Libya apparently).  As for Tibet, it is the highest (alt) nation in the world and access to trade passages is not why China "cares" about it.

Keeping the sea lanes open in the era of global trade is nothing but an excuse, especially in East Asia.  The real reason the US cares about that region is its desire to contain China's economic and political rise.


Tue, 05/14/2013 - 07:02 | 3559565 Seer
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Actually, the REAL concerns lie with shipping oil to Japan.  And I don't think that there is ANY confusion as to the US/Japan relationship.

"The US gave up control of the Panama Canal because it didn't need that control any longer given its ability to respond militarily just about anywhere"

This seems like playing with words here.  The ability to "enforce" via military power IS "control."  Sure, if one were to mail a letter to the "management of <fill-in-the-blank> shipping lane" it wouldn't go to the US, but, I'm pretty certain that most understand the "unwritten."

I think that China is just being prodded.  This is ALL an excuse to promote more US intervention in the area: again, who has the most wealth and military force? (US+Japan tops all but China+Russia, though the China+Russia connection isn't as tight, yet).  And as noted in the above article, this area (5 times the traffic that the Panama Canal gets) has the highest number of incidences of pirating in the world.

"The real reason the US cares about that region is its desire to contain China's economic and political rise."

How does this work vis a vis the Grand Chessboard?  The concern specified here is that of energy access in the Stans.  Maybe, I suppose, it's all a bit part just to start lining up the players for the Big Struggle ahead...

Not that China doesn't have an interest, but I believe that it's still more about controlling Russia than about controlling China.  The only true wealth and power lies in those that hold physical resources.  China's weakness is quite apparent by looking at its energy imports.  I don't think anyone here would disagree with the statement that Russia is resource rich.  And, Russia holds a fair amount of leverage over Europe given its energy exports there.  The Stans were more about reducing Russia's power than in limiting China's rise.  IMO China will just burn out: BAD SYSTEMS FAIL; they sewed their demise when they predicated their future on hell-out-growth.

The Grand Chessboard and Pipelinistan (Pepe Escobar) pretty much give it all away.  Everything's been on-script.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 09:52 | 3560171 suteibu
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The Strait of Malacca is the pinch point on those routes (and where the piracy occurs), not the S China Sea. 

As for linking America's military activity in the region to controlling Russia's movement of oil and gas, how does that work?  Shipping flows as freely for Russia in the area as any nation.  You imply that the US is the nation most likely to close those shipping lanes (to stop the flow of Russia resources) which rather justifies China's desire for a stronger blue water navy and the resurgence of Russia's military.  It looks like the US is doing little but causing more problems for itself in the region than anything.  Grand chessboard indeed.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 07:45 | 3559634 Bobbyrib
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You lose creditibility when you call modern day Tibet a "nation." Time to read a paper. China has taken over Tibet.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 07:08 | 3559591 Seer
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"It is in no one's interests to shut down those shipping lanes."

In times of peace...

I do, however, understand what you're saying (or seem to be implying).  And in the case of the US's pushing "national and security interests" one can just replace "national" with "corporate" and it's on-target: as Brzezinski stated, the US will be the last empire and that after this it'll be all about corporate control/operations.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 02:12 | 3559352 Larry Dallas
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Sugar and agricultural holdings.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 06:04 | 3559521 Element
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Massive littoral that whole region, huge fisheries, huge human pops, power projection and securing trade and "sea-lines of communication" (i.e. cables, hydrophones, etc.) claims on hydrocarbons, traditional and historical baggage. Everyone wants more strategic depth.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 07:23 | 3559596 thisandthat
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Pretty sure there's some claimed islands there (Spratley?) - oil, gas, even fish would be enough to start a war over it.

LOL, yep, can't believe ZH missed Spratly islands - no less than 6 countries claim them, and obviously there's trillions in oil in there:

This map should give a clearer picture of what's been going on there:

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 00:20 | 3559244 ekm
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More GDP needed.

Both philpinnes and taiwan will buy mor F-16s from usa

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 07:48 | 3559640 Bobbyrib
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We should be selling them all of our F-35 inventory. What a POS that jet turned out to be.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 00:24 | 3559249 M2Market
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In other news... JGB futures is limit down YET AGAIN!  Watch out below

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 00:50 | 3559259 sitenine
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China is obviously using this to further expand the global chessboard, IMHO. Brilliant really. How thin can the U.S. spread itself in the midst of a major draw down? Make no mistake, spending less money = draw down, $ = might, etc. Are there limits? I think we'll soon see. Tick-tock. Act of Congress to spend moar military dollars? Presidential plea for funding? Generals with tiers in their eyes? The possibilities are endless as well as entertaining.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 00:35 | 3559262 Dead Canary
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I say we tie them to a chair and BEAT some freedom and democracy into those little yellow bastards!



Tue, 05/14/2013 - 00:33 | 3559264 suteibu
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The US thrives on tension in East Asia.  Unfortunately, is does a lousy job of it as America's allies are beginning to square off against each other (Japan-S Korea, Japan-Taiwan, Taiwan-The Philippines).  Joe Campbell coined the phrase "soft power" to describe his vision of US foreign policy.  I suppose no one ever thought to develop a policy called "intelligent power."

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 08:04 | 3559679 swiss chick
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Duh, you'd have to be intelligent to do that, no?

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 00:46 | 3559272 Dragon Empire
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What is missing from the rest of the world's coverage is Philippine's ship chased after Taiwan's small fishing boat for over an hour, firing heavy automatic weapon while they were at it.

There are more than 55 massive bullet holes on the fishing boat, some going through and through. The fishing boat wasn't breaking any laws, the corrupt cops just wanted to rob them like they have always been for the past years.

What was even more ridiculous was then the Philippine government made a statement saying "we sympathize but we will not apologize", to top that off, the next day, the Philippine government representitive was laughing like it was some kind of joke when questioned by reporters.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 07:37 | 3559621 Seer
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"the corrupt cops just wanted to rob them like they have always been for the past years."

If we were ever to find out the real truth I suspect that you'd win the prize for being closest.

This is a VERY busy shipping area.  Highest incidences of piracy in the world.

Could be that the Filipinos were burning up some old ammo in order to justify their next budgeted order.

"to top that off, the next day, the Philippine government representitive was laughing like it was some kind of joke when questioned by reporters."

They're just not very polished.

Not to excuse the laughter (though I have not seen any video of this), but it's kind of hard to get down to the truth of anything for anyone in a real short order.  Taiwan's demand for an apology, within 72 hrs, is rather a bit of an idiotic thing in that any admittance by the Philippine govt would be that of engaging in an act of war or, in the very least, committing murder (same thing really), and that expecting such action to be forgiven by just saying "sorry" is, well, hard to believe.

Whether this actually happened as claimed (was it really an innocent fishing boat?), whether it is something sanctioned by the Philippine govt or not is likely never going to be known outside of those inside the upper levels of the Philippine govt.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 01:06 | 3559284 lolmao500
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What China has been doing to the Philippines is much worse... and the Philippines have been silent about it...

China continues to maintain patrol boats at the Filipino Scarborough Shoal in violation of a deal made last June. Not only did Chinese patrol boats soon return to Scarborough Shoal but Chinese fishing boats are again operating there and even erected a flimsy barrier (with rowboats, rope and fishing nets) across the entrance to the lagoon and dared Filipino fishing boats to cross it. Scarborough Shoal is in waters the Philippines claims (according to international law). The shoal is only 250 kilometers from the Philippines, and 1,200 kilometers from China. Despite this China claims ownership of Scarborough Shoal, but has not yet used deadly force to assert that claim. What China is apparently doing is sending patrol boats from their fishery protection service to “protect their fishermen”. According to China, they are in compliance with the June deal, as they never agreed that Chinese fishing boats could not operate around Scarborough Shoal. The Philippines does not agree but has refrained from sending warships to the shoal and chasing the Chinese fishing boats away.

Chinese warships are more frequently showing up (outside Filipino waters) on training exercises. This is apparently intended to intimidate the Filipinos but is instead making the Philippines angrier and more determined to resist Chinese claims on Filipino territory. The problem is that the Philippines has very weak armed forces, especially compared to the rapidly growing Chinese forces. The Philippines is hoping increased military cooperation with their neighbors, and the United States, will keep the Chinese out. So far that is not working.

Attacking one lonely unarmed Taiwanese fishing vessel is total bullshit regardless of the claims.

While the right wingers in Japan are at it again with their bullshit :

Japan WWII 'comfort women' were 'necessary' - Hashimoto

A prominent Japanese politician has described as "necessary" the system by which women were forced to become prostitutes for World War II troops.

Sick fuck. What about you control your men from being total savages? Oh no, that couldn't happen since the Japs were thinking of themselves as the ``master race`` while everyone else were ``sub-human``...

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 02:13 | 3559353 The Heart
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Why does this feel like another DISTRACTION from the Benghazigate arms smuggling crimes? And how about the flim-flam false flag drill in Boston? What's next?

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 07:40 | 3559624 Seer
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Everything is a distraction.  I doubt that it's coordinated. And I suspect that the distraction is more self-imposed (I don't allow these things to distract from doing the important/necessary things in life, and I don't pretend that my energy spent in fighting anyone doing any distracting would amount to any real net on my time).

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 07:59 | 3559664 Seer
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And it's all turned out so lovely since the war (WWII).  Yeah, all the imperialists can go fuck themselves.  I'm sicked to see what they've all done to the great people there.  Nothing like seeing starving children in Manila and looking at a big fucking billboard advertising skin whitening cream.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 01:05 | 3559307 Dragon Empire
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The Philippines have no business being there the first place.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 01:07 | 3559309 Monedas
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This dispute is over fishing rights .... especially for Jelly Fish .... served chilled in monkey skulls in Manila, served in cat skulls in Taiwan and in dog skulls in China and Korea !  It taste kind of like runny Baloot !      Monedas     1929      Comedy Jihad Vanilla Gorilla World Tour   

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 08:04 | 3559677 Seer
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Are you meaning "Balut?"

I'll have to ask my wife about the serving of jelly fish in chilled monkey skulls in Manila (I'd never heard of this).

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 01:51 | 3559341 robertocarlos
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So in about 96 hours the whole world should be burning?

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 02:59 | 3559400 Dead Canary
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Ooo! I brought marshmallows!

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 08:06 | 3559682 Seer
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I keep forgetting to buy marshmallows.  I've got a more obvious/immediate need for them- I've had some burn piles, er, a... campfires going...

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 02:10 | 3559345 q99x2
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This is nothing unusual. Every nation that Hillary Clinton and the State Department visited goes through similar situations.

Its one of the oldest tricks in the books--divide and counquer. Little do they know that if they would persecute the banking families they could all share in the spoils.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 02:08 | 3559348 VyseLegendaire
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Fuck Stratfor.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 02:16 | 3559357 chump666
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This is bad.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 03:01 | 3559403 Dragon Empire
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When the fisherman was shot and killed, he was already hiding inside with the rest of his family. But the Filipino kept shooting at the wheel house with heavy weaponry, bullets went through the wall and the fisherman was shot dead next to his son.

Taiwan's media showing huge bullet holes on the boat's wheel house:

It was murder.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 03:25 | 3559417 Dragon Empire
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Philippine spokeswoman responds to Taiwanese fisherman's death with smile

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 08:12 | 3559690 Seer
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And we know that Taiwan is completely neutral on all of this, so their "reporting" is surely straight up.

That there are "huge" bullet holes doesn't not necessarily mean that they were from Filipino guns.  Evidence can always be tampered with.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 19:59 | 3559803 Dragon Empire
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Yeah tell that to the victim who got shot in the neck.

There are phone records of the family calling for help when they were being shot at and before the guy was shot dead. Taiwan did not send help (got stuck with bureaucratic paperwork). After the guy was shot dead the family called again and told them they were no longer needed.

If you know the area you'd know it wasn't some super unimaginable event, it's just this time the guns used were much bigger, the victim is just your average 65 years old fisherman still making a living to support a poor family.

But of course you can always put your tin foil hat on and imagine what happened was some kind of Hollywood movie.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 03:16 | 3559413 Element
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These regional territorial limits should have been nailed down at the end of the cold war, this was always going to end in another quasi-Bay of Tonkin.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 08:15 | 3559703 Seer
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Sadly, even then it's all going to wash up given continued scarce resources.  People will dig up as far in the past that they can in order to "prove" their claims.

In the end its more a statement on the fact that the world's resources cannot meet human demands.  One "side" can completely kick out another but w/o settling on some sustainable level it'll just come out the same- over-fishing/mining etc... and, it's never "us," it's always "them."

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 12:43 | 3561007 Element
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You are right about that Seer, too many people dream all will be peachy after a reset/revolution to right the wrongs, but it won't be. The only thing keeping it going is enough energy to feed the people with the biggest weapons, and the lack of a sufficiently disruptive event so far (and so many potential candidates to chose from).

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 04:09 | 3559446 Xue
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Taiwan's territorial 'claims' are "outrageously ambitious"


They are not ''outrageously ambitious'', what we call ''Taiwan'' is actually the remain of the Republic of China (founded in 1911), it is the only legitimate government that should rule over both mainland China and Taiwan. The communist apparatchiks you see in China only represent themselves.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 04:27 | 3559464 lolmao500
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Damn straight.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 05:47 | 3559511 Minburi
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Why no voting?

This pro-renegade province guy is stirring things up here.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 05:34 | 3559501 Lebensphilosoph
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They all look the same to me.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 05:39 | 3559504 magpie
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Time for the Philippines to negotiate with Tokyo...we need those one way direct flights from Bagio again...

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 08:23 | 3559735 Seer
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As much as I'd like to go back to the Philippines I really, REALLY don't want to get on an airplane again!  I suppose it's what I get for bitching about the long flights to Europe from the US...

Would like to see Baguio.  My wife had relatives there.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 08:33 | 3559772 overmedicatedun...
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Seer take a ship there, oh wait bring bakish to pay off the coastal patrol. enjoy-expats seem to like it there.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 08:57 | 3559857 Seer
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I really haven't been a tourist there.  Bagiuo would be to visit family members.  My wife is talking about taking another trip (it's been three years- last time was due to a death in the family); if we did go I figure that we'd finally make it up there.

A big reason I like going to the Philippines is to get away from "whites.*"  I tend to feel a bit embarrassed to see old white men running around with young Filipinas: my wife is actually older than I am.  Perhaps it's just that I tend to be taller than the average height of the folks around me when there's an absence of other whites :-)

* I know that I wouldn't be saying that if I were in the south.  And I don't really blame the folks down there for being that way.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 07:47 | 3559636 shovelhead
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China will claim Australia next.

Australia will claim it's thirsty and drink beer.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 08:33 | 3559773 Seer
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I suppose that the Aussies would gladly extract coal for beer...  Maybe not too far off given the declines in coal shipments to China.

Have to wonder what the founders would have though about all of this (given their xenophobic foundations).

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 13:03 | 3561094 Element
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If Turkey was able to get combined operation of US nukes in the late 1950s (as other states do now) do you really imagine Australia can not get anything it needs to from US, France, Brits and Israel? Oz has built all the tech needed, and delivery platforms, and the systems needed a long time ago. China knows this and that Australia would go nuclear as soon as China showed any aggression (probably already has in fact, or is doing so now), and the PLAN fleet and naval port cities plus long-range bomber bases, would disappear. They would not get australia without a nuclear exchange.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 08:03 | 3559676 rsnoble
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Probably more bs, wake me up when bombs start flying i'm tired of this crap.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 08:47 | 3559819 Sach Mahoney
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Tue, 05/14/2013 - 09:25 | 3560020 Stuck on Zero
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This should cause the price of PMs to fall.  People will want to dump those useless metals for valuable safe haven dollars. </sarc>


Tue, 05/14/2013 - 13:08 | 3561082 earleflorida
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'Hillary's 'Asian Pivot' has made wanna-be-allies run for cover?'

'When 'Wifey', wants to be president... she goes 'Amazonian`Lesbo', until she breaks all the china in the`closet?'

and this:   "U.S. hoist by it's own pivot petard"   by Peter Lee                           

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:54 | 3562173 IMA5U
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Don't Phuck with The Filipinos


They killed Magellan!!

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 20:14 | 3562790 Tompooz
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Unusual for a Philippine navy boat to have sufficient fuel and ammo for a prolonged chase..

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