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And Now For Some Totally Different Advice From Marc Faber

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While we have all heard the apocalyptic prognostications by the accented Swiss, and there is little doubt where the Gloom and Doom reside, here is some very unexpected advice on the Boom. Make that the "Boom Boom"... room.



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Tue, 05/14/2013 - 22:41 | 3563279 DoChenRollingBearing
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How do you say "bunga-bunga" in Thai?

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 22:50 | 3563291 Cult_of_Reason
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First time I disagree with Marc.

If you have a lot of money to spend, and want a high quality hot girl that will knock your socks off, go to Vegas.

On the other hand, if you are on a budget, go to Eastern Europe like Kiev, Ukraine (you will get the same quality for a fraction).

Asian girls do not even compare to hot Caucasians. Period.

Sorry, Marc.


Tue, 05/14/2013 - 22:51 | 3563312 Dr. Engali
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I don't know.. Variety is the spice of life after all.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 23:05 | 3563340 ACP
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Holy shit - where the Hell did this cum from...?

Well, sex sells...and is sold...and uh, yeah...

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 23:43 | 3563464 TwoShortPlanks
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How appropriate that I should post these comments about changes on and within ZeroHedge on a Thread which can only be described as a ZeroHedge character assassination of Marc Faber. For years we have all known where he lives and what he does, BUT,  why the attention all of a sudden Tyler/s?

Add to that a new-found interest in discrimination too…did we finally grow a moral conscience or did the Queen Knight one of you?


A warning from TwoShortPlanks: Test Your Platform; it is at about this time in the [Great] Game when you must be at your most vigilant.

To ZeroHedge bloggers who know me,

Old habits die hard. In a profession from my past, we adopted a ‘test your platform’ philosophy. This basically means that on an ongoing basis you should test not only the validity of every piece of information you read and hear against actions or similar information attained from elsewhere or other means, but also the ‘context’ which pertains to the delivery or origin.

This is like the old ‘Dead Cat’ story where, if I handed you a dead cat, what could you tell me about it? It’s dead, and, it’s a cat, right?! But what if I told you I found the dead cat in an alley next to a restaurant, then what? Well, aside from being dead and that it’s a cat, you can now use the context (location details) to assist in your understanding of how the cat died (Food poisoning, poison bait etc). Information merely brings your attention to a subject, context gives you the picture.

For those who remember ZeroHedge a few years back, it was more than regularly posting comments, referencing articles, and hosting video/graphics which, quite often, were either blocked or forced to be removed through copyright infringement within a short space of time…true? ZeroHedge was flagrantly disregarding laws and rules pertaining to media and information.

Well, for a long time now, I’ve not only been testing the validity of the Thread Articles, I’ve been ‘Testing The Platform’, testing the validity and/or bias of ZeroHedge.

An obvious example of a changing platform was when ZeroHedge was regularly attacking Goldman Sachs in Thread Posts then, all of a sudden, ZeroHedge and Goldman were virtual boyfriend-girlfriend, swapping spit with each other at every opportunity then, just as suddenly, they were bitter ex-lovers, and now they’re just tolerant. Do you remember those days? Did you notice those changes?...I certainly did/do!

ZeroHedge has repositioned its stance on certain issues every now and then…but it has also been ostracised in many arenas too.

Feel free to delve into my past comments and test my validity against what I am writing here. Test (look at) the time lines between my comments and what Thread Articles were written shortly thereafter.

You will see many comments, sometimes they are short, sometimes they are lengthy. From time to time, I have made deep cutting remarks, targeting the demographics which react the most or are more vocal in the complaints department, and for years they have gone without attention from ZeroHedge. I have continued to test ZeroHedge on this, again, and again, and again, and finally, ZeroHedge have reacted. That is how you test a platform. Their email to my ghost is pasted-in below. The ‘Platform’ has now changed people.

And for the record, in regards to race, colour, ethnicity, age, religion, I seriously couldn’t care less. Equally, I couldn’t care less if people kill each other on mass based upon race, colour, ethnicity, age, religion…that door swings both ways. All I care about is the information, identifying the validity of the platform, and highlighting it once the red flags pop up, and….POP!

Also, I have repeatedly commented upon entities, such as the BIS, IMF, United Nations and then, finally, I made reference to what I viewed as ZeroHedge’s deliberate avoidance in making a connection and commenting upon these entities when so many arrows point directly to them. ZeroHedge would readily attack any entity, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, HSBC, MFG etc, so long as it wasn’t the big ones. However, once I posted comments about this avoidance, citing it was deliberate, all of a sudden ZeroHedge posted an article about a BIS employee, although under the guise of a series of Thread Posts called FleeceBook. Nice, but this has lasted all of a few Threads and it’s back to avoidance as usual. There was another, half-hearted attempt, but, well…

Maybe this is all just part of being Swiss, but I doubt it. ZeroHedge has gone from School Bully to Hallway Monitor.

Half-Hearted attempt:

The first real Thread about the BIS, and my [surprised] response in line 5 down:

Here is the first FleeceBook article, and my [surprised] response in line 9 down:

So, here’s what I believe. ZeroHedge is now, all of a sudden, enforcing Swiss Legal rulings on internet because they’re under pressure. I believe they’ve had warnings and threats of closure. This of course is how Governments apply pressure upon entities, thus forcing them to comply with their [other] agenda. ZeroHedge is no different.

The sudden change in ZeroHedge’s stance on discrimination highlights to me a deeper change in this site’s philosophy, especially with such a shady background of so many copyright infringements and at times slanderous comments and accusations to other entities. Again, did ZeroHedge suddenly grow a Moral Conscience?! Well, when we consider ZeroHedge made its name in the world based upon perceived information neutrality, I very much doubt it. This change most definitely has a Government fingerprint on it.

I’m not upset, angry or distressed about it; again, I merely want to highlight to everyone that the Platform has now changed and that ZeroHedge is no longer the same entity it once was.

This is what capitulation to Government intervention/meddling/pressure looks like.

Dear TwoShortPlanks:

We've received a complaint regarding material you contribute to Zero Hedge.

First, let us say we value your insights as a commenter; you've been with Zero Hedge for quite a while.

However, Article 261 of Swiss Law requires that we address complaints of these matters. The english translation can be read, here:

Given the criminal nature of continuing in such a manner in the local jurisdiction, we ask that you cease and desist in commenting in any matter related to discrimination. We truly hope to work with you through this matter.

Should you have any questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to voice them through this channel.

Legal at Zero Hedge.


Exactly who have you got into bed with Tyler/s?

For me, ZeroHedge has gone from a biased platform to a compromised platform.

I can't wait to see just how many brainwashed fools junk my post.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 23:56 | 3563498 Spitzer
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Dunno what to say Plank man.

Move the ZH operation to the new city states in Hoduras. Those projects are going ok.


Charter Cities, Canada's Porn King, and Garífuna Land Rights ...
Wed, 05/15/2013 - 00:12 | 3563581 TwoShortPlanks
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Oh, and Tyler/s, it’s easy to character assassinate someone who isn’t hiding in the shadows and lives openly.

Isn't it about time you made a grand entrance and make public your identity?

Stones and Glass Houses!

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 00:31 | 3563610 thepsilocircus
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Over the years, I have made few comments. While that may be due to the extensive process required to log in, create content and sate the alegebraic sentry (removed?), know that it does require an unusual chemical state in my brain for this to occur. 


I will not give a disclaimer full of examples on how I am "racially" sensitive (whatever that means). I do try to give people I interact with a baseline level of respect until their actions give me a reason to treat them differently. Unfortunately, years of corporate IT experience make me realize the importance of preventing certain individuals, through body language and words, from knowing that you have not an iota of respect for them. Fortunately, I do make something of a game out of it now.


Moving on from my rambling above, I pose the following question, and will withhold my opinion on the situation referenced until I learn more: 

Did I miss anything posted by the Tylers re: the circumstances surrounding the racial discrimnation change? 


One last note: TwoShortPlanks, you may want to review the ZH manifesto.


EDIT: for clarity 

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 00:39 | 3563629 Spitzer
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Wed, 05/15/2013 - 01:43 | 3563724 SafelyGraze
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"Any person who publicly incites hatred or discrimination against a person or a group of persons on the grounds of their race, ethnic origin or religion, any person who publicly disseminates ideologies that have as their object the systematic denigration or defamation of the members of a race, ethnic group or religion,"

but note from from the EU bylaws, article I, section A:

"we hate and despise the swiss and their crappy helvetii cheese-making; we repudiate and disdain the swiss ethnic and religious beliefs, not to mention their ill-conceived joke of a so-called "banking" system, and we urge everyone to do likewise"


that kind of covers everything mentioned in the antidefamation statute.

note: I am no longer a swiss attorney, and this commentary does not represent a legal opinion for use in adjuticating disputes between the EU and Switzerland. 

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 02:55 | 3563825 Deo vindice
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What is with the multiple standards here???

When those greedy bankers live like animals it's 'bad', but if a guy like Marc does, then it isn't?

You can't hurt someone's feelings based on their religion, but it's acceptable to give advice as to how to live the low life?

This site has taken a severe turn since I first read it.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 05:15 | 3563914 francis_sawyer
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banking, MSM, political activism, jurisprudence



I heard that the jazz ensemble 'Squeaky McWheel & the Yodelers' were playing Montreaux this summer... [naturally ~ their band of 'groupies' named 'The Oilers' will be tagging along]...

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 05:26 | 3563923 Acet
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How is this character assassination!???

The man is old, but he's not dead either up there in his brain or down there in his cock. Good for him: I sure as hell respect a man for that a lot more that I respect the kind of sociopatic asshole who willingly destroys other people's lives to get a bigger bonus.

Frankly, it sickens me the whole media push (especially in the US) that fucking somebody else is dirty if done physically, but metaphorically fucking the masses (from behind, lubless, without even a reach around) as source of one's wealth is not just alright, it's worthy of celebration and even media-worship.


Wed, 05/15/2013 - 01:05 | 3563670 TwoShortPlanks
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From ZH Website: "the right to remain anonymous may be abused when it shields fraudulent conduct. but political speech by its nature will sometimes have unpalatable consequences, and, in general, our society accords greater weight to the value of free speech than to the dangers of its misuse.
- mcintyre v. ohio elections commission 514 u.s. 334 (1995) "


From ZH Email: "However, Article 261 of Swiss Law requires that we address complaints of these matters. The english translation can be read, here:

Given the criminal nature of continuing in such a manner in the local jurisdiction, we ask that you cease and desist in commenting in any matter related to discrimination. We truly hope to work with you through this matter"

ZeroHedge, which is a Swiss entity, is on one hand quoting a United States Commission statement on freedom of speech...but then with the other hand cites, "Local Jurisdiction" pertaining to Discrimination within "Swiss Law".

Who else on this planet sees no difference between local jurisdiction and foreign jurisdictions?


Wed, 05/15/2013 - 01:28 | 3563704 thepsilocircus
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And this is why I am requesting more information re: the circumstance surrounding the change... I hear what you are saying and only wish to find out more. 

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 09:46 | 3564401 TuPhat
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I wonder if the fact that ZH is owned by ABC inc. and ABC is now owned by Disney inc. has anything to do with this.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 11:09 | 3564803 McMolotov
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Not the same ABC.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 02:45 | 3563820 13thWarrior
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From my layman understanding the Foreign Banksters are trying to take down USA as a ruling state and will be replacing with something else. I am not a big fan of US but the subversion against US is unbelieveable.

I had a feeling this sudden barrage of truth about US has some motive. I may be wrong.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 03:37 | 3563851 i-dog
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"I may be wrong."

NO ... you are 100% perfectly correct!!

All the seemingly unconnected events of the past 2 weeks confirm that the thermite has been sparked and the twin towers (politics & finance) will soon be imploding.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 05:36 | 3563935 JOYFUL
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We are at the point where everyone here needs understand who the "Tsathogguans" were\are...

and how\why our 'platform' is under attack. We can\will pull this out...but first... due diligence.

 The idea instantly struck me as utterly immoral, and I rejected it a little surprised, to be honest, to find myself entertaining it. I had no idea that it was not 'I' who thought the thought.

Twoshortplanks... nuff nuff respect. You may have broken the log jam!

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 09:03 | 3563958 francis_sawyer
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I'm interested to see... now... How the PRE-CRIME unit will react to all of this... I'm 100% certain that all hilarity will ensue...

Add: I'm sure everyone would like to, at least, know, what COMMENT that 2SP made [which prompted the letter]... You know ~ so ALL OF US can double down on our own diligence to serve the MASTERS... We strive, every day, to be in strict compliance with the desire to bring TRUTH to the world [& we know that banning opinions & ideas furthers that cause]...

Alas ~ the comment was probably deleted, & to duplicate it would result in banishment from the kingdom... So I guess we're all left to trip along on our own here...

2SP ~ You weren't criticizing the 'Syrians' again were you?... [Cause that shit don't roll around here ~ you'll get yourself buried in lawsuits]...


& to all the rest of you 'do-gooders' out there... remember your duty... IF YOU SEE SOMETHING ~ SAY SOMETHING... REPORT IT!


Wed, 05/15/2013 - 09:19 | 3564315 Momauguin Joe
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Francis, When you start seing ZH fellating Joe "I am a Syrian" Biden as Obama's replacement, you'll have your answer.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 10:18 | 3564528 francis_sawyer
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Reporter: "General Patton... Is it true that you once said that if you found yourself between the German Army & the Russian Army you'd attack in both directions?"

Patton: [laughs]... "No I never said that... But I wish I had"

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 10:58 | 3564743 A is A
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Honestly, I think some people on here need to have a bit more respect and understanding for the predicament Tyler/s may be in. I understand it is frustrating and not ideal but the fact is, the entire world is a prison and yes that means Tyler/s are inmates along with the rest of us. If it comes down to either chilling out on some of the comments on here or possibly having no Zerohedge, I say chill out on the comments. I don't understand why there is so much blame put on Tyler/s any way. Blame the system, not them.

Seriously though... respect the Durden.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 12:15 | 3565148 francis_sawyer
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Yes... by all means... blame 'THE SYSTEM'... [& we all know by now that 'THE SYSTEM' are a bunch of faceless, lifeless, & agenda-less, limestone edifices]... Blame THEM ~ by all means!... It's time to ban 'Indiana Limestone QUARRIES'...

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 13:34 | 3565461 A is A
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No lets blame zerohedge for the tyranny we live under instead. That's who we should blame. Do you seriously expect Tyler/s to watch this site go down and/or battle TPTB and be bogged down in litigation because of some punks and wack-job bigots on his website? You guys are giving Tyler/s way to much grief over this whole thing. What do you seriously expect him to do?


By the way, I am not bashing the average zerohedge reader, just the few who keep spewing this crap that Tyler/s have to deal with on several occasions.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 01:26 | 3563703 seek
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Tyler explained it partially in his message on this thread a few days ago, which you may have missed:

I do think given the shift in policy (and more specifically acting upon the policy and notifying users, which is a big change) it might have been more appropriate for TD to do a top-level highlighted story on what's going on and why. The policy change and the purported email from ZH as revealed by TwoShortPlanks certainly seems to suggest an entity external to ZH is interfering with business as usual here. At the very least some of us who like to put together "big pictures" would find the nuts-and-bolts of what's going on interesting.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 01:36 | 3563717 1C3-N1N3
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This place has gotten damned weird in the last several days.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 02:16 | 3563787 RichardP
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Sunspots and solar flares.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 06:22 | 3563979 francis_sawyer
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Tylers don't need to do a headliner story on that... Or hell ~ If they do... francis_sawyer could write it for them [maybe I can get foto uploading credentials in the process ~ now wouldn't that be a dandy?]...


Wed, 05/15/2013 - 01:37 | 3563720 thepsilocircus
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seek, thank you for the link and thoughts


I am noticing myself attempting to ignore the change and squash an emotional reaction- oddly, I feel almost like I have lost something. It is difficult to put into words.

This does reinforce the blatantly obvious importance of obtaining your information from many sources. 

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 02:30 | 3563776 thepsilocircus
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And below is the comment from Tyler, out of context of course (I did not read the slew of comments he was responding to, I imagine many were complaining about the change):



Tyler Durden  Sat, 05/11/2013 - 20:59 | 3552480

Oh for fuck's sake.

Here is a great idea. 20 or so commentators can keep on bashing the evil "joos" because we didn't get it in the first four years of ZH that it was all the evil "joos" fault (and really, who could have possibly thought of it before), and in the meantime zerohedge can spend millions in Swiss court defending itself against defamation lawsuits and since all our time will be taken up by legal affairs, not post a single article until such time as we are forced to shut down.

Of course, we will leave it to CNBC and Business Insider to find the factually (although who needs facts when prejudice is enough) culpable parties of the biggest generational theft of the history of the world.

Surely this is precisely the win win outcome our "intelligent", "sophisticated" commentators want




My thoughts:

I am disappointed in the message delivery method, but somewhat satisfied. The response seems emotionally charged though- as if the Tyler posting may have expected a different reaction. What would you expect when the change was implemented as such? 


This does not destroy the utmost respect and gratitude I have for those that have, and continue to, run this website. The people involved should be applauded for their contributions to the lifting of the veil so rooted from cradle to grave information bias. 



It should also in no way change how all of you must always question everything- especially the things you take for granted. If you managed to read my post, please forgive my jumbled sentences. 

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 05:36 | 3563934 ParkAveFlasher
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Tyler, I love you man.  Let's hug it out.  

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 07:13 | 3564035 francis_sawyer
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Any boyscout with a working compass can figure out from which direction the coordinated & levered efforts to stifle free expression are coming [it's contained right there in the comment]...


Quel surprise!

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 09:59 | 3564448 acetinker
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psilocybin; in regard to: <It should also in no way change how all of you must always question everything- especially the things you take for granted.>, a fella named Clemons so stated many generations before us, "It ain't what you don't know that'll get ya', it's what you know for sure that just ain't so."

Thanks for bein' real.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 09:56 | 3564438 noless
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It would be nice if the tylers would just put up an actual thread, this issue has popped up in near every thread regardless of issue since the anti discrimination notice went up.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 00:27 | 3563612 BigDuke6
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Are you saying to us that you received that email from ZH?


i've been very uncomfortable with rumours of folks being banned from ZH.... at the baying of certain twats but this is the beginning the end for me if they are sending you mails like that...

i've been uneasy and posting less on zh this last 6 months - it seems you are correct ... something is fishy.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 00:46 | 3563639 TwoShortPlanks
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Hey BigDuke.

Yes, it was an email.

It would seem that ZH have made a giant leap from law breaker (copyright violator) to law upholder (discrimination issues) in what seems a blink of an eye.

I can understand perfectly well that entities wish to obey the local law however, when you put this saintly behaviour alongside a character assassination (link to youtube), even though ZH did not create the video, it smacks of hypocrisy!

So, I guess I'm saying that one or many of the Tyler/s, and/or ZH, is both hypocritical and more than likely, corrupt.

It doesn't pay to simply stay away from ZH, but it does pay to be mindful of these issues when absorbing whatever Post you are reading.

The game is changing.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 00:58 | 3563663 fuu
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Copyright violator? What are you talking about there?

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 01:08 | 3563681 TwoShortPlanks
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FUU, you have been on ZH for long enough to remember clicking on video links and seeing "Copyright Violation" messages. ZeroHedge rarely asked for permission to rebroadcast such video clips.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 01:24 | 3563701 fuu
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Thought they had won a court case about that actually.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 02:29 | 3563786 BigDuke6
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TWO short planks!

i'm depressed mate

i'realise there is a big dollar to be made with financial websites where the demographic is mainly 30 - 50 year old  high income males.... are you looking at ukrainian single babes off to the side too?...


but this fucking sucks!

Thanks for raising this buddy.

i'm off to get fit - who's with me?

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 01:14 | 3563690 RaceToTheBottom
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Should we view this as the end game of the Gold/Silver manipulation getting hot and bothered?

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 01:39 | 3563722 TwoShortPlanks
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We're not even close yet. Close is when all the planets align to fleece the masses. This is just the Tidal Forces heating things up a bit.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 08:24 | 3564162 shovelhead
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How the fuck is this vid clip an 'assassination' of Marc Faber's character?

It's his own voice making observations to an interviewer for publication. You got something else besides this pathetic attempt to accuse ZH of impugning Mr. Faber?

Perhaps if you don't like ZH having to comply with Swiss law (odd as it may be) then you could suggest that you will bear the full expense to move the servers to another locale.

Seems simple enough to me.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 08:54 | 3564233 dark pools of soros
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I agree... Marc is fine, I have no clue how this is char killing attacks... Maybe the guns god and gold crowd here are ruffled

Lord knows I'm part of that 20 or so Jooo bashing club but I understand if they want to keep the lights on they weed it out.. They made their position and point pretty clear and valid

And by the way.. Fuck usury, use bitcoins, print a few guns, and keep some gold and a remi 870 close by loaded

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 10:06 | 3564478 acetinker
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b-b-b-but, I thought ZH was based in Bulgaria.  I just ain't gettin' the "swiss law" bit.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 11:55 | 3565070 dark pools of soros
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Not sure when they moved but they did... They could of sold the site as well..who knows

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 06:01 | 3563955 Acet
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It sounds a lot like the usual pains that befall a business which relies on user-contributed content as they grow and start getting the attention of the authorities.

The willy-nilly copyright violations are pretty common on the small startup/blog stage especially if the founders are not techies (us hacker types have been fighting the big copyright fight for decades now) and being forced to trawl for people who break one of the modern speech-suppression laws (discrimination, harassment and libel laws are purposefully designed to be able to sue pretty much anybody by making it illegal to SAY things that other people dislike) is a natural barrier to growth once the site reaches a size big enough to become visible to the authorities.

I'm quite surprised this didn't happen earlier.

That said, I personally suspect that the blunt and senseless anti-semitism of recent months, from brand-new accounts and at the top of articles which disclosed some pretty scandalous abuses by the status quo was being done purposefully and was meant to discredit this site and scare away any "normal" people that came across the site and those articles.

Oh and by the way, senseless and blunt support for an ethnic or religious group is also a form of discrimination.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 06:18 | 3563972 akak
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That said, I personally suspect that the blunt and senseless anti-semitism of recent months, from brand-new accounts and at the top of articles which disclosed some pretty scandalous abuses by the status quo was being done purposefully and was meant to discredit this site and scare away any "normal" people that came across the site and those articles.

Acet, I have had exactly those same suspicions myself.  And have you noticed in the last few months how many utterly offensive racist and anti-semitic posts here have received suspiciously and anomalously high numbers of up-arrows, usually however without any posted agreement with said racist and/or anti-semitic sentiments?

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 06:37 | 3563994 Acet
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Yes, that's what I meant.

If a large enough and well-funded entity was running a propaganda campaign to weaken the credibility of a website which is growingly visible and specializes in exposing abuses in the financial, economic and legal arenas AND has user forums attached to its articles, the simplest trick would be to make it look like most of the users share opinions which are seen as bad by the majority of the population (even better if they're against the law).

It's extremelly simple to setup multiple mailboxes (with $100 I can create 50 mailboxes each with its own proprietary domains) and using VPNs, TOR or hacked machines would disguise the true location of those participants.

Also such technique would relly on making the "locals" who already share those opinions feel empowered by the apparent support of their pet-hates, so that they themselves would sustain the theme and even go more into overdrive.

By the way, if the Tylers are listening, I recommend you look at Meta-moderation and post visibility limitation as done by


Wed, 05/15/2013 - 09:27 | 3564336 francis_sawyer
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"If a large enough and well-funded entity was running a propaganda campaign to weaken the credibility of a website which is growingly visible and specializes in exposing abuses in the financial, economic and legal arenas AND has user forums attached to its articles, the simplest trick would be to make it look like most of the users share opinions"

OK ~ Let's break that down... Let's assume two dynamics: [or, feel free to offer others]

1. If your hypothesis is valid, then, the "make it look like" part of your comment is unverifiable one way or another... It's no different from trying to hypothesize the outcome of an election whereby cases of "ballot stuffing" cases were revealed... IOW ~ who KNOWS what ZH'ers really think... If people are using the up & down arrows to guage 'sentiment' on this site... Well ~ I'll just say that it's the 'flimsiest' of all interpretative means... The only valid way of determining sentiment are through COMMENTS... Period... Not that ANYONE'S comment should carry more weight than anyone elses [including my own]... If people have no courage to articulate their thoughts [on a blog or in real life], they are 'de-facto' giving up all their rights to freedom...

2. Let's say your hypothesis is valid, again... Well, then the "large enough & well funded entity...running a propaganda campaign" part of your comment revolved into play [ostensibly in a 'reverse' manner ~ as in cases we often read about of this group or that group 'planting' evidence to initiate a groundswell of emoting towards [& against] a supposed 'hate group'... This tactic, these days, isn't simply reserved to ethnic, or religious groups, it's also quite clearly done on 'issues' [such as guns & weapons]... In any case... If this is what happened... Then the only real TRUTH to be gleaned is that the "entity" in question are dirty dealers... & if thats the case, if the "identity" should ever be revealed, then people who casually gave that "entity" a free pass on all things, ought to call their own ideas into question...

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 11:26 | 3564881 Acet
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The only way to check my theory would be to look into the accounts that were originating a lot of the hate speech for the last two months.

I suggest looking at their age and at their posting history before the hate speech surge. If they were very young accounts or with very little posting activity in the past they would be flagged as potentially suspect.

Suspect accounts would then be checked with regards to originating IP addresses and their e-mail accounts.

  • Any e-mail accounts from domains other than for example google or hotmail would then trigger a check of the age of those domains (which is public record). E-mail accounts in "just made" domains would be suspicious. It's possible to dig further and find who is the owner of a domain (again, it's public record).
  • IP addresses would be checked for variance. If they're geographically all over the place, then they're probably using TOR. VPNs are also recognizeable since the IP addresses would be using IP ranges assigned to the VPN providers. Hacked machines are harder to check and require specialized knowledge - the easiest way is to remotelly check the version of the OS (there are ways) - hacked machines are not often updated, run old versions of Operating Systems and are the Tech equivalent of a slum junkie whore in that they they don't just get one disease.

From this we would at least be able to get a better level of certainty on wether it was a coordinated action or not (for example 20 "fresh" posters of hate speech all using VPNs would be a big red flag).

Personally I suspect that if indeed it was a coordinated action, whoever did it was lazy and didn't actually went through all the trouble I would go through in that situation. Probably you just get a bunch of fresh accounts all using IP addresses from the same domain which will turn out to be a domain assigned to a governmental organisation or some political NGO or lobby.


Wed, 05/15/2013 - 12:26 | 3565204 francis_sawyer
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I'm not trying to deny your theory... I'm just trying to make some logical 'sense' out of it [& furthermore, identify if there's anything material that can be gleaned from it]...

Casting all 'technical forensics' aside for a moment... I'd be disposed to 'PRE-CONCLUDE' the following:

1. IF such an operation did occur, then it would be my conclusion that that would be enough to ascribe 'INTENT' & 'INHERENT MOTIVE'... [after all ~ who in their right mind would go to such lengths simply for the 'LULZ' value?]...

2. Even if someone manages to do the forensics that you suggest... I can't see how any 'tracking' forensics can be applied to the [RED ARROW/GREEN ARROW] aspect of it... Which, by my reasoning, is a natural 'accompaniment' to an orchestrated plan like that [whether real or mythical]...

Anyone else can feel free to add here...

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 07:17 | 3564046 mvsjcl
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Yep. I noticed that, too. It brought on the same head-scratching as reading the Ohio vote counts.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 08:38 | 3564188 Flakmeister
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Guys, the anti-semetic crap has been here for a long time... Face it, the Hedges comment section has now degraded for the most part into a den of conpiracy theory whackjobs and their ilk... Consipratorial ideation and anti-semitism were made for each other...

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 09:20 | 3564318 Acet
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I would say that Conspiratorial ideation and anti-the-other-guys were made for each other. It's always the other guys that are inherently evil people.

Whenever there is some kind of positive discrimination (and what a contradiction "positive discrimination" is) to try and make up for past wrongs done to a certain group due to their race, gender or creed, there are always sociopathic types who attached themselves to that and try to abuse it for their personal good (and you'll notice that those types rarelly are the actual people that were done wrong in the first place).

As it so happen, in the US the jews have been the recipients of some attempt at redress following the events of WWII and the sociopathic types amongst them have benefited highly from it and continue to try and extend those benefits long beyond a point where most people would feel their pains were fairly redressed. Worse, they've taken to using racist rectoric (accusing somebody who says "we've done enough to help group X" of being anti-group-X is just racist) to prolong it.

This is not the same as saying that all jews are such (certainly none of the ones I know personally are like that) - I'm pointing out that there is a bunch of sociopaths who have managed to take control and capture most of the benefits of something which was meant to compensate those who indirectly had been victims of the original policy in the US of non-interference during WWII.

In this, I also point my finger at the current leadership in Israel which draw most of its support from ethnic jewish groups that were not hurt in WWII and have shown themselves to be extreme xenophobes (the way Israeli arabs are treated is as bad as the apartheid in South Africa).

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 09:56 | 3564440 phalfa5
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seems that way acet, akak which is why i always have a six pack handy to help me wade thru the ....   stuff and continue on focusing on the article and the other measured, educated ...  and often humourous comments and contributions.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 06:21 | 3563978 Urban Redneck
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Process is frustratingly important in Switzerland.  However, if you have a correct process you are generally protected by the law.  If you've received an email then the process is more substantial than a poorly html-coded policy statement published w/o any prior notice.  Moreover, should it ever be required, the process demonstrates that Zero Hedge takes its freedoms and responsibilities seriously, and the community who posts comments also does (since they could simply have instituted a process of deleting both the post and the account of the author).  The process is a pain in the ass, since due to the way language works- the simplest work-arounds are verbosity and sophisticated use of rhetoric.  The process for copyright infringement issues is more straightforward- it is the responsibility of the website hosting the material (e.g. YouTube or Scribd) to have a process in place to deal with complaints (about either infringement or defamation).  The process can always be improved, but that is another process.

If you want to take on the big boys (be it the BIS or ECB, or some lower-rung outfit like GS) you have to expect that they are going to come after you with any tool or process they can use.  There are only two options- STEP UP or STEP OFF.  The alternative jurisdictions aren't very appealing- the IRS is going after the local Bum-fuck Tea Party groups and DOJ is tapping the press to find leaks, who do those groups comparatively threaten and what is their audience and influence?  The EU apparatus and the UK courts are just as bad.  

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 06:59 | 3564016 Ghordius
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+1 btw the Swiss Law that is in force has a different emphasis than the anti-defamation and PC laws most readers are accustomed to

there are lots of things which can be said (nope, not going to help the trolls) under that law, while there are a lot of things which in theory would be banned by it, particularly all kinds of incitements to violence, which is it's main purpose


only now I see that you already posted a traduction long time ago. did you notice some of the wordings, particularly when "systematic" is used?

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 08:21 | 3564154 Urban Redneck
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I'll avoid the temptation to feed the trolls myself, but to say HOW something is stated is at least as important as WHAT is stated, and there is an acceptable way to express any argument, unlike up the road in Germany (or elsewhere).

I was surprised by how many anarchist groups are publicly active in Switzerland, since they call for the systematic abolition of government, however, they refrain from incitements to violence and go on about their business.  

And this certainly benefits me personally, as in the mind of a fascist federalist or unitarist- the only distinction between Anti-federalism and Anarchy might be target discrimination

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 12:23 | 3565189 The_Dude
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I was surprised by how many anarchist groups are publicly active


Where's Joyless?

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 12:47 | 3565272 Urban Redneck
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Possibly at work??? Last post - 0619ET today  (and he was complaining about his internet connection)

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 12:54 | 3565297 mick_richfield
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Does anybody know any anti-Swiss ethnic slurs?

I'm having a heck of a time finding some....

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 13:42 | 3565507 Urban Redneck
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Hitler's Nazis seemed to have liked the term "Mountain Jews" (Bergsemiten) - but a lot of Swiss (and German) humor and insults don't translate well, like the Swiss equivalent of "wetback" when referring to a German - which is "cockroach".

It's not what you're looking for but if you want some humorous ex-pat insight into Swiss culture... ala Jeff Foxworthy

You know you've been in (German speaking) Switzerland too long when: think it's economically wasteful to have more than one brand of a product in a store. think sponteniaty is OK, as long as it's planned.

--and the list goes on--


Wed, 05/15/2013 - 00:53 | 3563654 i-dog
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I had a comment struck out two days ago ... for the first time ever in 3 years ... before I even had time to hit 'edit' to correct a typo! I thought it was a funny comment, but also understood that it was pushing the envelope and "racially insensitive" to anyone who enjoys dancing.

Back on topic: ZH had its first 'platform change' back in November 2011. The old hypercynical and cryptic TD was replaced by a more verbose 'party line' type. The readership also noticed this change - probably subconsciously - because Alexa traffic figures turned from an upward trend to a downward trend within weeks. I know only because, like TSP, I regularly check my platform as well.

I have always considered ZH to have 'suspect' motives, but have also greatly appreciated what I have learned from the Tylers and the commenters.

We "aren't in Kansas any more" and are now in the 'End Game'. The first confirmatory sign of this was some known insiders openly criticising the government a few weeks back. They hadn't changed their allegiance, only their assigned role.

Check your platform ... and your powder. Shit gets hectic from here on in......

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 00:58 | 3563664 Spitzer
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Post your traffic numbers

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 01:02 | 3563671 i-dog
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Wed, 05/15/2013 - 05:51 | 3563944 JOYFUL
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No worries Dawg! Spitzer's part of TEAM S.P.E.C.T.R.E. -ZH division...

you will increasingly see everybody here getting sorted out as to where be their loyalties... and who gets the 'royalties'...

for those who are surprised by this 'turn of events'.... please!

It was predicted... and predictable. The very same thing what happened to "Veterans Today" ... and every other site d' the talmudist terror. Get a grip bitchez! Shit be real. Either loose your conditioned distaste for running the sionazi voodoo down...

or you will shortly be joining the ranks of the Zio-mbies who surge amongst us!

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 23:46 | 3563500 prains
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Tue, 05/14/2013 - 23:51 | 3563521 CrazyCooter
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Can you link to your continuously updated meta-financial-news site where you do all the things you advocate should be done? I would like to read it.



Tue, 05/14/2013 - 23:53 | 3563527 Al Gorerhythm
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Just testing the platform here, 

Dear TwoShortPlanks:

We've received a complaint regarding material you contribute to Zero Hedge.

First, let us say we value your insights as a commenter; you've been with Zero Hedge for quite a while.

However, Article 261 of Swiss Law requires that we address complaints of these matters. The english translation can be read, here:

Given the criminal nature of continuing in such a manner in the local jurisdiction, we ask that you cease and desist in commenting in any matter related to discrimination. We truly hope to work with you through this matter.

Should you have any questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to voice them through this channel.

Legal at Zero Hedge.

Is this an actual correspondence from Tyler's lawer or is this what you think it looks like?


Wed, 05/15/2013 - 00:30 | 3563617 i-dog
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"and finally, ZeroHedge have reacted. That is how you test a platform. Their email to my ghost is pasted-in below."

Which part of that sentence is not clear? Did you also have trouble with English comprehension at ESL classes?


Wed, 05/15/2013 - 02:10 | 3563778 Al Gorerhythm
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Yeah, missed it completely. That's why I asked. You can pull your head in now. Don't haze me, bro.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 12:04 | 3565107 i-dog
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Not hazing ... I usually appreciate your comments ... just encouraging you to read and comprehend before casting aspersions.

Revolt! ;-)

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 15:17 | 3565953 Al Gorerhythm
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I wasn't casting anything. I was genuinely asking for help in understanding. You came at me like a pig dog. Chill.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 06:47 | 3564011 Urban Redneck
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That section of Swiss Law hadn't apparently even been officially translated into English until 2010 (based on

However, a bunch of us who live in Switzerland and know about the law were arguing about it 9 MONTHS AGO, and when I went to post the damn link--  

I couldn't find it IN ENGLISH- only German, French, and Italian (there was probably a long 20/30 click route - but I knew what exactly what I was looking for and couldn't find aquick answer in English, which is SOP over here anyway).


Wed, 05/15/2013 - 00:03 | 3563556 ISEEIT
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Question fucking everything.


I don't really think so but the Woman is a multi level genius so who knows?

Question fucking everything,

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 02:22 | 3563798 RichardP
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I think the original Tyler ran away with Marla and have been busy making Tylerettes.  The place hasn't been the same since she left.  But, then, I never really had any proof that she was really a she.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 10:31 | 3564588 fuu
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She had a great voice for radio.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 00:07 | 3563568 malek
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 character assassination of Marc Faber

Sorry, but that's just funny.
First of all that guy just doesn't give a shit, so good luck with assassinating that.
Second everybody with a little more life experience knows even those comments of his are right on the money.

And on ZH: yes, that's what happens when you become (more) mainstream by lots of readers flocking to you.
But to be fair, try to compare against any for-profit media, if you can stomach it.
Then what else does there exist? NC has now gone almost full retard with it's mix of enhanced political correctness / do gooderism.
Mish holds up the flag, and KD is good if he hasn't his moment where he dumps the bathwater with half of humanity in it because one small thing of limited consequence pissed him off.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 00:21 | 3563592 CheapBastard
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<character assassination>


Gee, I thought it was pretty complimentary of Mr Faber. He is an "up front guy" who lives and enjoys the nightlife of his locale. So?


As Woody Allen says,
"Sex between two people is a beautiful thing; between five it's fantastic."

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 02:18 | 3563791 Deo vindice
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If Marc Faber's character is being assassinated, he's doing it by himself to himself.

Merely stating a fact - as disgusting as it might be to some - is not the assassination. It is the life-style of Faber which he has chosen and seems to be unashamed of.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 12:42 | 3565257 malek
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Do you know how ridiculous you sound? Must.induce.guilt!!!

...and seems to be unashamed of

So that's the main point? As long as I would still show guilt, everything I do is OK?

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 12:50 | 3565279 mick_richfield
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Speaking just for myself -- I am completely free of guilt.

But I feel pretty bad about that....

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 15:24 | 3565981 malek
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 I am completely free of guilt.

But that was not the question.

The question is what have you been conditioned to become feeling guilty, when attempting/doing certain things -
and if all of those are really for making the world a better place,
or instead were put in place to actually leave you in a state of constant non-fulfillment, so others can manipulate you by offering other fake "paths to fulfillment".

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 23:23 | 3567805 Road Hazard
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But to be fair, try to compare against any for-profit media, if you can stomach it.


Well you see, if ZH continues down this path, they will be just like for-profit media! I mean face it, the governments of the world are controlled by a particular group of people. Look at our department of homeland security for a hint. It's weird though. Since this group of people lived through some tough sh*t, you'd think they wouldn't want history to ever repeat itself and would call for every man, woman and child to be armed to the teeth and they'd work against letting any government get to powerful. But, the exact opposite is true. They actively seek to disarm every man, woman and child and push the government deeper into everyones lives. This tells me they are driven by purely religious beliefs and guess what, if you're not in their group, their holy book tells them that they are superior to every other group and us outsiders are to do their bidding and are filthy pieces of garbage to be disposed of.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 09:12 | 3563674 Tijuana Donkey Show
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Uh, what assassination? The guy is 1. Single, 2. Likes hot women that like to party, which equals, what issue? He's clear about not being married, and having a good time, so what's the beef? He even asked what their into, and didn't advocate anything crazy, just consenting adults being themselves. Faber is ALL RIGHT BABY!

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 02:01 | 3563761 AgLand
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This is no 'assassination' of Marc. I watched him on CNBS comment one time about how being a bi-sexual doubles your chances on date night. The hosts just dropped their mouths. He just laughed!

Marc is a curmudgeon in his own right, and the more power to him. He has the smarts, money and age to not care what anyone thinks anymore.

More power to him. I hope to be just as 'fun' as he is when I get to that age.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 02:22 | 3563797 TraderTimm
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So that's why Francis "racist" Sawyer has been de-fanged.

Hell, its an improvement over the usual bullshit posted here. TwoPlanks - suck a big one, I'd rather have people posting real commentary than obsessing over people's skin color or racial background.

Of course, you can start your own forum where you encourage such reprobates...

Much ado about fucking nothing, as usual.


Wed, 05/15/2013 - 03:16 | 3563836 Hobbleknee
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1) What did you post that the "authorities" objected to?

2) How is this thread character assassination?  Most Libertarians would say prostitution is a transaction between 2 consenting adults.  Maybe you forgot who the audience is here.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 03:49 | 3563860 Iggy
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Spot on, I rarely comment on ZH but read everyday. In the beginning the place was full of the most free thinking people I have ever seen. Now not so much so, more of a herd mentality. Thanks for pointing out what I have felt for a long time.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 05:56 | 3563949 Room 101
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Doesn't look like many are junking you, TSP.  It's true....something has changed in the past few weeks.  I've half jokingly noted that the Tylers are trying to clean up the place so they can go public with an IPO.

My comment on the "Tyler exasperation post" was - oh for fuck's sake indeed.  You mean they couldn't find a better place to set up shop than Switzerland? Some place that simply doesn't give a shit?

My belief is that ZH is making a shift away from antagonism and more towards a controlled dissent-lite niche. A place where some inconvenient questions will be asked from time to time to keep readers interested in the site, but where no really dangerous ideas will be spoken of.  And in truth that will probably drive more clicks.  The reality is that most people don't want their world view challenged. They want affirmation. And to be able to bitch and moan about the status quo a bit.  I don't see that shift as anything particularly sinister on the part of the owners of the website, just business.       

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 06:51 | 3564013 CalibratedConfidence
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As a contributor I'd like to say fuck you and check your perception big guy, you're in for a world of problems if you whip yourself up into believing what you just posted. If you don't like ZH feel free to go enjoy Barry Ritholtz bullshit or click through an irrelevant Business Insider slideshow.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 10:39 | 3564619 francis_sawyer
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I'd just like to chime in here & say THANK YOU for your 'contibution'... It's folks like you that make the world a better place...


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4 - to provide analysis uninhibited by political constraint.
5 - to facilitate information's unending quest for freedom.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 12:15 | 3565157 Panafrican Funk...
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I'll give him credit for maintaining the Deep Capture materials, but yeah, dude is still somehow pretty deep in the cave contemplating those occasional flashes of light.  

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 12:27 | 3565207 The_Dude
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He probably keeps it around as more of a 'how-to' guide.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 08:04 | 3564125 Northeaster
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"For me, ZeroHedge has gone from a biased platform to a compromised platform."

A couple of posters have noticed a shift over the years. The good side is that the ultra-doomers left because the world is still standing and their theories on hyperinflation did not come to pass.

However, as this thread shows, commentary has devolved. There used to be a lot of sharp posters/professionals here with industry experience posting insight. Now? Not so much.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 08:44 | 3564201 Bobbyrib
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I support ZH with trying to cut down on discriminatory posts on their website. This website is a business. Who the hell would want to see their website degenerate into an anti-semitic, finger pointing tirade of shit? You guys need to relax. You are still getting better news than the MSM would ever provide you. I have seen entire threads go from insightful posts to people arguing if one religion is responsible for a good part of the world's problems.

I personally do not know of Swiss law and had no idea that ZH was a Swiss company, but if I ran a website I would have tried to stop the ridiculous disciminatory posts out of general principle. How do you expect Zero Hedge to grow as a business and be taken seriously on a larger scale, if they allow such ridiculous behavior? These are the lives the Tylers chose. This website is their business. It's non-sense to get upset that you can't post rascists or anti-semitic bullshit. It added nothing of value to the threads anyway. Take a chill pill, relax and keep reading and posting. From my understand all they ask from us for providing the best information available (the coverage of the Fed logged into the Bloomberg terminals was amazing) is that you do not post discriminatory non-sense. It's the least we can do to support the website. In general, I don't usually walk into someone's house, or business and start swearing and saying rascist or anti-semitic nonsense, so I really don't see the huge difference. It's common decency not to act like ridiculous in someone's business, or residence. So keep contributing, but don't be a douche.

I'm not associated with the website at all. I just wished to say this as a response to the people flipping out. It's not another conspiracy where ZH was taken over by TPTB, it's a business trying to keep on keeping on. 

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 12:29 | 3565211 Panafrican Funk...
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"This website is their business."

Which is why they chose not to censor comments up until very recently, when they had to choose between censoring or being shut down.  It's really that simple.  Do you honestly think they implemented an anti-discrimination policy (which goes completely against the "fight club" ethos that many people find attractive) in order to improve pageviews?  

"It's non-sense to get upset that you can't post rascists or anti-semitic bullshit"

Let's again be honest and admit this was entirely about anti-semitism.  From my own perspective (and I am ethnically/religiously Jewish), I can tell you straight up that anti-semitism is sometimes used to obfuscate unspeakable evils.  What my people experienced in WWII was beyond the pale, and we are often still victims of genuine anti-semitic behaviors/thoughts/attitudes, but this does not excuse the frankly evil behavior by some very powerful people in my community.  We have a responsibility to do right and good things for all people as specifically commanded by YHWH.  Some of these very powerful people have moved very, very far away from YHWH, and we have all suffered as a result.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 15:03 | 3565739 Bobbyrib
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"Which is why they chose not to censor comments up until very recently, when they had to choose between censoring or being shut down.  It's really that simple.  Do you honestly think they implemented an anti-discrimination policy (which goes completely against the "fight club" ethos that many people find attractive) in order to improve pageviews?"

I could be wrong, but I don't remember in Fight Club (the movie) Fight Club calling out certain races, or religions. I never read the book, so it could have been in the book for all I know. I don't understand what you're trying to say. To me it would seem allowing discrimination would be more Zero Hedge's (old) ethos than Fight Club. Not everything went in Fight Club. You couldn't eye gouge, or beat someone to death, or beyond consciousness.

"Let's again be honest and admit this was entirely about anti-semitism.  From my own perspective (and I am ethnically/religiously Jewish), I can tell you straight up that anti-semitism is sometimes used to obfuscate unspeakable evils.  What my people experienced in WWII was beyond the pale, and we are often still victims of genuine anti-semitic behaviors/thoughts/attitudes, but this does not excuse the frankly evil behavior by some very powerful people in my community.  We have a responsibility to do right and good things for all people as specifically commanded by YHWH.  Some of these very powerful people have moved very, very far away from YHWH, and we have all suffered as a result."

I know this policy was about anti-semitism. Anti-semitism was reaching ridiculous points on the site. It was degenerating discussions to people arguing if anti-semitism is the correct reaction to the events that have continued to sink our economy into oblivion. That being said, do you think that just, because a few major players (Bernanke, Dimon, Blankfein) are of the Jewish faith that people should condemn an entire religion? I myself am not Jewish and was raised Catholic (now not really religious), but if everyone started to say all Catholics are pedofiles, because priests are molesting young boys, I would find it pretty outrageous. Yes, there are and were Jewish people in positions of power cheating the system, but to put the blame on one group of peope when it was a pretty diverse group of individuals, not just one ethnic group (Paulson, Bush, Angelo Mozillo (whatever he is), Pandit, Mack, Obama, Holder, everyone who voted for TARP in Congress) is idiocy. Every logical person blames those people for what they did, or are doing to our financial system as well as Bernanke, Dimon, and Blankfein. It's not about their background, it's about who they are as people and they are shitty people.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 16:25 | 3566294 Hobbleknee
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Exactly!  Tyler can ignore the letters, and the site will be shut down at the end of the month.  Is that what people really want?  Should they let the site get shut down so some cockfag can blame everything on the juice?

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 11:54 | 3565064 Totentänzerlied
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The ultradoomers have left? If you think hyperinflation, or hyperdeflation, is the greatest of your worries, you aren't paying attention.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 15:09 | 3565873 Bobbyrib
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I disagree. The threat of hyperinflation is very real and is capable of destroying billions of middle class' lives. From 2001-2007 the Fed and the US government helped spawn a housing bubble which they controlled until 2007 when it finally popped. Just because it has not happened, does not mean it won't.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 08:34 | 3564180 IamtheREALmario
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It is a good post. ZH HAS morphed a few times and specifically:

1. ZH has gone mainstream, avoiding being directly critical and avoiding certain subjects

2. Trolls of various flavors on the board (Zio, banker, gov't) ... all predictable

It must of course be an issue of "so called" national security and ZH having at one time gained quite a following of independent thinkers could be a useful asset to those in power. Whether through fiat transfer or threat of harm or both ZH, IMHO, has clearly become almost totally useless.... and that is the point isn't is? It is to morph opinion, controlling all sides of the argument, to a predetermined end. IF ZH was at any time independent and free to post truth without existing for the sole purpose of creating polarization and identifying those who disagree with the regime (the 25% of the population that must be eliminated), then that time is past.

I laugh at Alex Jones in his glorious buffoonery, clearly a recipient of untold fiat wealth, calling people to revolt against the government. It is a trap. Many of the purported "free"/non-mainstream sites are turning out to be captured media... or planned opposition... or many that is just what they want us to believe... to fear ... to trust no one so that each person who doesn't appreciate a boot on their throat can be easily picked off one-by-one.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 09:16 | 3564276 Bryan
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Same ol', same ol'.  It's all rainbows and unicorns at first when you have a new 'rebel' site and get all uppity and anti-government and counter-culture and all that stuff.  Even better when you get popular and a large audience.  But then you get pressure from the big boys and hire lawyers and back down and get incorporated into the mainstream.  It's the same thing that happened to the Tea Party when it was co-opted by the Republican Party -- they got 'mainstreamed' and lost all their punch and power.


You can't be a rebel for long -- you either end up dead or assimilated.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 09:14 | 3564297 sgorem
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WHERE'S "LONG SOUP LINE" ?........................

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 12:05 | 3565104 screw face
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......change is the only constant.......BTFD...

Bully! Bully!

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 13:06 | 3565347 mkkby
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Short planks, I say fuck you.  Zero hedge has grown up and no longer tolerates racial hatred.  The fact that you partake in it shows your mental imbalance and stupidity.  Therefore, using the "platform testing" analogy, all of your other posts are suspect too. 

I'll take ZH over retard you any day.  Even if they are not perfect.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 13:25 | 3565440 e-recep
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"How appropriate that I should post these comments about changes on and within ZeroHedge on a Thread which can only be described as a ZeroHedge character assassination of Marc Faber."

character assassination?? what's wrong with banging thai chicks??

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 13:49 | 3569936 maxblockm
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"a Thread which can only be described as a ZeroHedge character assassination of Marc Faber"


Seems like Marc did HIS OWN character assassination to me.  Too bad it seems from the currently high rating of the article that most ZH'ers don't even get it...they applaud him...

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 23:06 | 3563351 Cult_of_Reason
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You can get plenty of "variety" for $200 ($500 in a bordello just outside of Vegas, they are checked weekly for diseases) a night in Vegas (Mexican, white, black, Asian, etc); no need to go to Asia.

Marc is given a bad advice. Those countries that he recommends are infested with AIDS.





Tue, 05/14/2013 - 23:29 | 3563443 Spitzer
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More men get ripped off by stun kunts currupt whores in Vegas then anywhere else.

Once you go Asian, you will never go Caucasian.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 00:08 | 3563572 Cult_of_Reason
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If you are an average looking guy that does not afraid talking to chicks in a night club, you can get an average-to-good looking chick for free (you will be surprised how many girls go to Vegas to have fun and looking for sex).

If you know a little bit of the art of seduction, you can even pick up a hot girl and have fun all night for free.

On the other hand, if you do not know how to seduce women, then talk to your hotel staff (room service people will either suggest something or quietly make a call for you).

And never ever pick up the whores on the street (those have some very dangerous pimps).

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 00:18 | 3563596 malek
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With maybe a little less selection (in numbers) you can do that in any bigger city.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 00:55 | 3563630 Cult_of_Reason
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I agree, it can even be done in Faber's home town, Zürich, (I know this from a personal experience), but it is much easier in Vegas. The night clubs are packed with hundreds of horny girls (the majority are tourists) looking for fun and sex.


Wed, 05/15/2013 - 01:03 | 3563676 Spitzer
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I had my 21st birthday party in Vegas and have been there many times since. I know what goes on.

The tables turn in Asia if you have something going for you. You literally have to push women off of you in some parts of Soel Korea and Thailand. Doesn't happen in Vegas.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 11:57 | 3565082 Totentänzerlied
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But unlike the bordellos, the clubs don't got checked for STDs...

1 in 4 women. 1 in 4. How ya like those odds?

$500 or the rest of your life...

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 00:28 | 3563615 Kirk2NCC1701
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Asian women is to American women, as ZH is to MSM.

I'll take "What is a Paradigm Shift" for $500, Alec.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 01:07 | 3563677 Tijuana Donkey Show
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Black, white, asian, space alien;

I measure by the brains they give, and good brains can be found in the most unlikely places.

"Some girls do not give good brains, to others, it's a racket."

-Digital Underground

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 11:33 | 3564952 InTheLandOfTheBlind
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feminism and woman's lib have really taken their toll on the attractiveness of american (primarily caucasian) women.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 01:12 | 3563688 PacOps
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Now back in the 60s we were based in Saigon and as long as we took care of our professional responsibilities we could pretty much go and come as we pleased. A short flight to Bangkok always started with "a rub, scrub and an air start" soon after landing. Sounds like the tradition continues.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 22:52 | 3563315 prains
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ah you enjoy the bitchy quotient, it taints your opinion


but really, here is why we are where we are today, boys with toys buying vag, it's all about vagine, said this 1 year 38 weeks ago. The entire fubar is about power and the power to buy vagine. So Marc, fuck yu

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 23:45 | 3563494 Midas
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Taint.  Funny.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 23:47 | 3563506 prains
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not if there's a boil

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 23:13 | 3563386 exodus11
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Kiev is certainly no bargain basement babe destination. That place is as expensive as NY.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 23:35 | 3563465 TheObsoleteMan
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Eastern Europe USED to be cheap, but the whore business got taken over by the Russian mafia, and now it is very expensive. Svetlana is not fucking you, Alexei is. That is where 75% of the fee goes.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 23:21 | 3563422 Spitzer
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@ Cult_of_reason

You sir, are a fucking moron.

Even with the big money, Asian women in Thailand or Macau blow white women out of the water.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 23:37 | 3563470 TheObsoleteMan
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It's because they got a head start. They are pimped out at 5 years old, what do you expect?

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 23:47 | 3563508 Spitzer
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That is garbage.

Sex isn't the chip on the shoulder in the east as it is in the west. Its all in the culture man.

Africa and South America are poorer.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 00:05 | 3563564 ISEEIT
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Downed you're ass even though in all likelihood you're a 'goody'-:)

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 05:48 | 3563941 BidnessMan
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"Night Clubs" are legal and regulated in Colombia and Ecuador.  $20 in the big cities and $10 in small towns if you speak Spanish and go where the locals go.  Some of the girls are very beautiful - at least that is what I have been told.   

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 07:31 | 3564071 resurger
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Yup.. it's tight

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 23:52 | 3563525 ISEEIT
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Sick dude. So damn sick.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 03:35 | 3563849 Colonial Intent
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How old and ugly are you to have to pay them to fuck you, my apologies if you is disfigured or disabled but really dude its pretty lame that you have to pay to get laid.




Wed, 05/15/2013 - 06:19 | 3563975 JOYFUL
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For the record, and before this shit\hit piece goes away....

I would like to say... I recently spent time in NORTHERN & SOUTHERN Thailand[eg non Bangkok Thailand]... on my way back from China....and it was nothing like what is being portrayed here. The Thais are as proud and dignified a people as any pon this Earth...

but under siege from all the usual suspects... for all the usual reasons.CIA running drugs outta Burma... and guns into same. Talmudist terrorist running children outta Burma to supply the pedophile fuks of the western hegemonist hierarchy with boy\girl toys on their 'diplomatic' missions. * \

Merikans... get your heads outta your asses... this is a planned takedown of the last best site resistant to the talmudist organ-trafficer\pornpeddler\NJ 'moving company' terrorists... if our choices come down to this... serial desecration of other peeples places... or the Muzzie insurgency of southern Thai pennisula{and I sure hope they don't}... choice be clear. Sad day for ZH.

* internet connection sure has slowed down of a sudden!

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 09:42 | 3564387 overbet
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I agree my friends like Manila. Im out on Asian chics. Once in awhile but Brazilian & Russian Im all in

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 10:50 | 3564683 Overfed
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There is nothing hotter than a sexy girl with an eastern European accent.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 14:30 | 3565710 Chuck Walla
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I've been to Bangkok(US Navy). Its earned the name. Fucked and fucked up for under $20 then. Thai stick is the real deal and great Afghani/ Paki hashish.


Wed, 05/15/2013 - 15:02 | 3565875 NihilistZero
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Dat's rayciss!!!!!!

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 23:10 | 3563374 ACP
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Using google translate, bunga-bunga is detected as indonesian, and is translated into flowers in english.

I guess that's somewhat appropriate.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 23:59 | 3563452 DoChenRollingBearing
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Thanks, ACP!  Bunga-bunga must be one of those universal terms.  Sort use-it-anywhere...

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 23:41 | 3563482 williambanzai7
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Boom boom

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 01:02 | 3563673 MythicalFish
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The guy looking at the barbequed cuttlefish instead is doing something right, at least they don't have a cock.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 09:37 | 3564377 Stockmonger
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Quote of the year.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 06:31 | 3563988 torak
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Bunga bunga?

What you're really meaning to say is: Boom boom!  That actually means something in Thailand and is universally understood.  ;)

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 22:42 | 3563284 pods
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Bitches, Bitchez!


Tue, 05/14/2013 - 22:43 | 3563285 Shizzmoney
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The european elites sure do love them some ladyboys

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 22:46 | 3563298 francis_sawyer
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You beat me to it...

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 23:58 | 3563539 Al Gorerhythm
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Yup. Ass well, they'll open the door for you, couldn't give a shit if you're late and have a game of footy with you. Winning?

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