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Guest Post: Technocratic Folly: Why Men Will Never Become Gods

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Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt-Market blog,

For those who have studied the musings of the global elites, one primary “theology” rises to the surface, and it is this theology that appears to be the apex motivation in everything that they do.  This “religion”, as it were, does not revolve around the worship of any single deity.  Though the globalists fancy themselves academics of mythology and secret spiritualisms, in the end, they do not seek to worship a god; rather, they desire to be “worshiped” as “gods”.

This hubris is best exposed in the works of "Technocrats", “Futurists” and “Transhumanists”; a community of eugenics obsessed elites dabbling mostly in scientific fields that claim to only be interested in identifying or predicting “future trends”.  In reality, they believe in ENGINEERING future trends.  They hold that technological advancement supersedes all other social concerns, and, that “old beliefs” and principles must be constantly discarded to make room for the “new”, the “modern”, the “streamlined”, or the “centralized”, which they arbitrarily deem superior. 

For them, the concept of evolution is not limited to biology.  They feel that the “survival of the fittest” dogma must also be applied to cultural structures, as well as cultural values.

What proponents of futurist ideals salivate over is a kind of full-spectrum control over their environment, over nature, over genetics, over matter, and over the human mind.  Their rationale for this pursuit?  They think that they can do it all better than the original design!  This assumption is summed up well in the words of Sir Francis Galton, the official founder of the Eugenics movement:

"What nature does blindly, slowly and ruthlessly, man may do providently, quickly, and kindly. As it lies within his power, so it becomes his duty to work in that direction."

Or the pontifications of early transhumanist R.C.W. Ettinger:

“Humanity itself is a disease, of which we must now proceed to cure ourselves…Surely it will be an advantage to be able to ‘turn off’ or ‘tune out’ one’s emotions at will, choosing fully to savor only those that are enjoyable…”

Or the creepy zealotry of futurist Barbara Max Hubbard:

"Out of the full spectrum of human personality, one-fourth is electing to transcend…One-fourth is ready to so choose, given the example of one other…One-fourth is resistant to election. They are unattracted by life ever-evolving. One-fourth is destructive. They are born angry with God…They are defective seeds…There have always been defective seeds. In the past they were permitted to die a ‘natural death’…We, the elders, have been patiently waiting until the very last moment before the quantum transformation, to take action to cut out this corrupted and corrupting element in the body of humanity. It is like watching a cancer grow…Now, as we approach the quantum shift from creature-human to co-creative human—the human who is an inheritor of god-like powers—the destructive one-fourth must be eliminated from the social body…”

The manipulation of man’s world (or his perception of the world) by the elect is thus dramatized as an act of benevolence and kindness, or an act of survival necessity, while the collateral damage accrued in the process is presented as an acceptable price compared to the long and coldly arduous cycles of nature.  The problem, however, is that the elites have forgotten to ask an eminently important question:  Is the kind of control they hope to gain really possible?

The answer is, in fact, already known, and that answer is an emphatic “No”.  Let’s set aside the obvious moral minefield involved in the act of playing god and examine the science of the matter, which is the only thing the elites care about anyway. 

In order to achieve “godhood”, I think it would be fair to say that one must first have absolute knowledge of his surroundings.  If unknowns exist, then one cannot be in control of the present, or, predict the future, and as Einstein once wisely stated, “God does not play dice…”

The Uncertainty Principle

The work of physicist Werner Heisenberg led to a groundbreaking pillar of quantum mechanics known as the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.  Heisenberg surmised that in order to identify the future state of any object, one must know every aspect of its present state.  And, to understand the object’s present state, one must have absolute knowledge of it down to the very particles that make it what it is. 

To determine the future state of a particle, like an atom, one must know at the very least it’s position, direction, and momentum.  What Heisenberg discovered, though, was that any attempt to observe these qualities actually changed the nature of the particle.  That is to say, there is no available method for mankind to observe a particle’s state without affecting it and redirecting it in an unknowable way.  Most importantly, quantum mechanics shows us that infinite possibilities defy finite determinations.  Even the act of looking at a thing can abruptly change a thing.  Therefore, how can the elites believe it will ever be possible to mold their environment in a godlike fashion if the tools for such an endeavor do not and will never exist?

The Incompleteness Proof

The answer to the Uncertainty Principle would be to find a way to mathematically quantify “infinity”.  If one can find a structure to infinity, then one can determine an infinite number of possibilities, and, thus, predict all possible outcomes.  The elites are thwarted again, though, by a brilliant mathematician and close friend of Albert Einstein named Kurt Godel. 

Godel’s focus had long been to identify and define a mathematical structure for infinity.  If humanity had the means to encompass the infinity concept in a mathematical equation, then clearly, all probabilities could eventually be made available by a simple matter of plugging numbers into a computer.  Godel never found this equation.  Instead, what he found rocked the core of the scientific community and flustered prominent global elitists like Bertrand Russell.

The Incompleteness Proof became Godel’s crowning achievement, though it proved the exact opposite of what he had originally planned to find.  Ironically, Godel’s mathematical model established, without question, that infinity cannot be quantified by mathematics, and that there is no scientific formula that encompasses all things.  The proof does this using what we now call a “self inclusive paradox”.  A simplified example of this ides is represented in this word puzzle:

“Everything I say is a lie”

If I lied, then is everything I say actually a lie?  The circle goes on forever and defies logical explanation.  Godel placed this puzzle in the form of an equation, and ended the elitist delusion that all things could one day be dissected by math.  Now, there are those who respond to this fact by quipping that “some things are unknowable, until we know them…”  These folks do not understand what a mathematical proof is. 

A “proof” is an undeniable mathematical reality that will never change, and will never be undone.  For instant, one plus one will ALWAYS equal two.  Always.  There is no future date in which this equation will not represent concrete fact.  The same goes for the Incompleteness Proof.  Bertrand Russell, a prominent supporter of the New World Order with visions of scientific dictatorship sought desperately to dismantle Godel’s Incompleteness Proof, even to the point of writing a massive three volume mathematical theorem, the Principia Mathematica, that fell utterly flat.  Just in case you are not aware of what kind of man Russell was, here a quote to educate you:

“After all, most civilized and semi-civilized countries known to history and had a large class of slaves or serfs completely subordinate to their owners. There is nothing in human nature that makes the persistence of such a system impossible. And the whole development of scientific technique has made it easier than it used to be to maintain a despotic rule of a minority. When the government controls the distribution of food, its power is absolute so long as they can count on the police and the armed forces. And their loyalty can be secured by giving them some of the privileges of the governing class. I do not see how any internal movement of revolt can ever bring freedom to the oppressed in a modern scientific dictatorship…” - Bertrand Russell, The Impact Of Science On Society

Russell expended so much effort in vain against Godel’s proof because it threatened his globalist theology of human godhood.  If the universe could not be fully defined through numbers, then the elites would never be all knowing deities.  They are already aware that their goal is unattainable, and yet, they continue in their insanity to press forward…

Inherent Psychological Knowledge

If the elites cannot control the very fabric of the universe, then they have revealed through their methodologies that they would at least be satisfied with controlling the human mind.  If they can control perception, then they can manipulate the masses into believing that they are gods, even if they never will be. 

The key to perception control, at least in theory, is to gain dominance of environmental conditions within society.  In other words, use people as blank canvases and paint them as you please.  This strategy assumes, however, that people are “blank canvases”, and that human character and ideology is determined solely by environment.  This philosophy of mass mental molding was undone by the studies of Carl Gustav Jung, a psychologist who was booted out of the mainstream psychiatric community because his findings destroyed the blank slate assertions of the Freudian model. 

Jung discovered that the mind was, in fact, not “blank”.  Rather, the building blocks of certain knowledge, personality, and even moral conscience were inherent at birth.  This inborn knowledge gave humanity the virtue of choice; and if people are born with the ability to choose, then their environment is only as influential as they choose to let it be.  This limits technocrats to medicinal suppression of preexisting personality traits, which is not "godlike" at all.  The suppression of personality is a far cry from the creation of personality.  

The question of where, exactly, inherent knowledge comes from, must also be a frustrating conundrum for the elites.   One might discard religion, but it would appear that even the sciences suggest that there is another force or intelligence out there, far beyond the capabilities of man’s observation, or ability.   

Children In A Sandbox

When I look at the entire summation of elitist efforts to remake the world, all I see is a naïve reorganizing of a much greater work of art.  Life is not perfect, at least, not by our definition, but life is also not a science; it is an emotional creation, with an emotional and spiritual brand of “logic”.  The rational Puritanism and technocultism of the globalists could never hope to unravel the mysteries of our universe, or our existence.  You can never truly know what you do not truly love

Invasive technologies, psychiatric manipulation, and genetic tinkering are, at bottom, nothing but mud-play in an imaginary sandbox.  The elites want godlike power, but the greatest power of god is to create from nothingness.  Technocrats do not create.  Instead, they violently scoop up what already exists and fumble with it wildly, stupidly, fancying themselves omnipotent, like children lording over the ocean while pretending it’s a fish tank. 

They do not comprehend the substance of what they meddle in, and this is their greatest downfall.  You cannot improve on something you do not understand.

I do not subscribe to the notion that humanity exists only to subsist and to procreate.  I do not believe we are meant to remain in the dark as to the nature of life.  If that were the case then we would not have been endowed with such insatiable curiosity, or the free will to follow it.  I do believe that we are here to learn, and to grow, and to find solace in a greater recognition of our existence.  That said, there is a vast difference between knowing a thing, and trying to control a thing.  For the elites, understanding is not enough.  For the elites, understanding is only a door to dominance. 

Luckily, fundamental unknowns derail the pursuit of full knowledge, and thus, full control.  The universe has its own checks and balances in place to counter the ambitious, striking down thirsty faux gods who reach too high for what they do not respect, and will never deserve.

 

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Tue, 05/14/2013 - 17:31 | 3562274 fuu
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I don't know about you but I was born a god.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 17:33 | 3562281 McMolotov
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When someone asks you if you're a god, you say "Yes!"

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 17:41 | 3562296 francis_sawyer
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How many dyslexic insomniacs are present who lie awake all night wondering if there really is a dog?...

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 17:48 | 3562315 ACP
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Apparently Alec Baldwin thinks he's GOD too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmafU9mKaug

 

ZARDOZ HAS SPOKEN

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 17:49 | 3562316 Manthong
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Hayek identifies a large part of the problem we have with these arrogant bastards to be their analytical construction of socialistic ethics and aptly terms it “Fatal Conceit”.

“Hayek approaches ethics from an entirely different angle from most philosophers. While philosophical ethics usually entail rationalistic system-building from certain assumptions about human nature or from bits of empirical data, Hayek’s ethics are non-rationalistic and based upon the historical process. Hayek rejects the explicit, rationalistic construction of most ethical systems because such constructions rest upon the “fatal conceit” of human reason. Reason, Hayek argues, is incapable of commanding the information necessary to design an ethical system.”


http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/book-review-the-fatal-conceit-the-errors-of-socialism-by-f-a-hayek

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 18:05 | 3562364 Enslavethechild...
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They see themselves as Gods and us as slaves, but they are sociopaths and we are going to burn them alive some day.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 18:06 | 3562373 TheFourthStooge-ing
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"The Godz are rock and roll machines!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XctUGRHBkBk

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 18:19 | 3562430 jbvtme
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"All matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration-that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively.  There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we're the imagination of ourselves."  Bill Hicks

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 19:18 | 3562641 Schmuck Raker
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"Childbirth is no more a miracle then eating food and a turd coming out of your ass." Bill Hicks

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 19:23 | 3562655 Cathartes Aura
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Bill nails it.

everything else is extra-to-the-plot.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 19:32 | 3562685 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Bill nails it.

"Hmmmm, going for that hardware dollar, that's a huge market..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDW_Hj2K0wo

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 19:46 | 3562720 Cathartes Aura
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". . .plantin' seeds. . ."

 

just plantin' seeds. . .

 

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 21:16 | 3562984 Cathartes Aura
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ooh, a very cool seed, thanks.

imagine what knowledge/information those in authority, power, the world over, seek to hide from their taxable minions, what those who believe they rule think they can control in selfish little fists. . . and yet can become "accessible" via awareness in other individuals who merely hold their minds open to inform-ation. . .

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 10:32 | 3563749 Precious
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These "elites" are incapable of dealing with their own mortality.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 20:18 | 3562799 Silenus
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That sounds a lot like Schopenhauer, and somewhat like Kant, and a lot like Buddhism. It's a perennial wisdom that pops up again and again. The connection between the inner life of the self and the outer world of phenomena is energy - the sheer restlessness of existence.

In Hinduism, they call this same idea the unity of Atman (self) and Brahman (world). 

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 21:09 | 3562958 EscapingProgress
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At the heart of all of these technocratic fantasies lies the fallacy of false precison. An entire worldview based upon a fallacy. These technocrats aren't as intelligent as they would have you believe which is precisely why the most recent technocratic experiment (principally in the form of monetary policy) has been a horrific failure.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 17:51 | 3562319 markovchainey
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I don't know why, but for some reason I want a marshmallow right now.  And a half dressed chick who barks like a dog.  :-)

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 17:53 | 3562329 BigJim
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 Most importantly, quantum mechanics shows us that infinite possibilities defy finite determinations.  Even the act of looking at a thing can abruptly change a thing.  Therefore, how can the elites believe it will ever be possible to mold their environment in a godlike fashion if the tools for such an endeavor do not and will never exist?

I normally enjoy Brandon't writings but he's missed the point here. I don't want (or need) to know the quantum state of all the particles of my car before deciding to exercise complete control over its destination; just as the elite don't feel they need to completely know/understand everything about society to want to completely control it.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 18:07 | 3562379 runningman18
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It seems that you missed the point, Jim.  Because you don't know the full material truth about your car, there is no guarantee that your car will go where you want it to.  It might break down.  It might explode.  It might be hit by another car that you also knew nothing about.  You are not a "god" over your car, just a passenger with little to no understanding of the future of that car.

Smith is pointing out that the elites are the same way.  Merely passengers on this earth pretending, arrogantly, that they are in control of something they do not understand.  Their "control" is an illusion.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 18:14 | 3562403 g speed
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I think you missed the point--the car drives fine for you untill it breaks in a way that you can't understand--simple enough for ya?

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 18:25 | 3562453 DCFusor
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BigJ - he twisted Godel pretty far outa shape too...

Just another spin job.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 21:48 | 3563092 americanspirit
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Hey Big Jim - you actually think that you control your car? Amazing. And how about all the other cars on the road? Their drivers also control them? Wow. What planet do you live on?

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 17:56 | 3562337 Shell Game
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Chili Night at our home proves that I am no God every time..

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 18:31 | 3562477 Relentless
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When someone asks you if you're a god, you say "Yes!"

 

What do you mean "a" God?

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 18:34 | 3562484 A Lunatic
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I once read a historical account of a Spaniard looking for Aztec gold who made the claim that not only was he a god, but he was impervious to arrows. The Aztec chief responded by having his tribesmen fill the stupid bastard so full of arrows he looked like a porcupine..........

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 20:38 | 3562858 RafterManFMJ
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The gods must be crazy.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 17:51 | 3562320 krispkritter
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 'I divorced my first wife because of religious differences: she thought she was God, I disagreed.'

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 19:59 | 3562709 Hulk
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It was you own dang fault kk, you should have never yelled,

"oh god, oh god, oh god, here it comes" so much and so loud...

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 00:47 | 3563642 Kirk2NCC1701
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Was your wife Anglo or Jewish? I'll bet she wasn't Asian or Muslim. ;-)

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 19:39 | 3562701 Hulk
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Puny God...

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 03:20 | 3563839 AnAnonymous
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I don't know about you but I was born a god.
_______________________

That is what every 'american' is born.
'Americans', the great leaders to humanity.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 17:32 | 3562276 koaj
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2 + 2 = 5 Winston

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 20:52 | 3562901 Raging Debate
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You have been there Koaj :-^}
2d fractals of socratic logic * 2d fractals of socratic logic + The Nutcracker = distortion in space time but your mind has to also be able to accelerate itself faster than light for a brief moment . The 5th dimension is time it is all for one and one for all, sharing 30 different conceptual flavors. Visiting there and coming back will turn one into a new man. One feels urgent to bring everyone forward together into the 4th dimension which will happen in mass by 2052. I'll meet you there :)

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 17:36 | 3562284 falak pema
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I doubt therefore I exist! 

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 17:37 | 3562287 McMolotov
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This was a good article, but it could have been shortened to one simple statement:

History has demonstrated time and again that those who believe they know best how to direct others' lives tend to be sociopaths or, in many cases, full-blown psychopaths.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 17:54 | 3562335 THX 1178
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Academics, progressives, liberals...

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 18:09 | 3562386 1100-TACTICAL-12
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Good article, to pass on to some awakeing sleepers. keep it up Brandon.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 18:48 | 3562541 Herd Redirectio...
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And power corrupts.  So even if you are the virgin, going to reform the whore house... It ain't gonna turn out that way.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 00:53 | 3563651 Kirk2NCC1701
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No just rich or powerful guys who don't get laid enough. By women with skills plus a warm heart. Because it's a good antidote to testosterone-based hubris.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 18:00 | 3562341 Buckaroo Banzai
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But shortening the article in that fashion short-circuits the most important point of the essay: that our Enlightened Masters who seek Godhead are, in fact, spiritually empty inside. They have to reject God utterly before they themselves can pretend to be God.

It is a form of nihilism that is as old as civilization. It is embodied by ancient deities such as Moloch and Baal, or by pantheistic pagan nature-cults like the Druids. These are religions that do not honor God, instead they honor power and domination. The Egyptians had their Mystery Religion. The Arabs hijacked parts of the Hebrew bible, perverted it, added a bunch of other sick stuff, and call it Islam. Marx called it Communism. Every single one of these false religions celebrates domination and power and pretends that God does not exist.

And now it has come to America in the form of the filthy muslim communist, Obama-- a regime that glorifies in power, domination, hatred, dependency, corruption, human sacrifice (30 million aborted fetuses), and sodomy.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 18:05 | 3562368 knukles
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It's not nice to mess with Natural Law

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 18:45 | 3562501 RebelDevil
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Alright, let me clear up some stuff here. Trying to become God is called seeking apotheosis. Apotheosis = the point where man becomes God, which is the basis for gnosticism. Gnosis = knowledge
The elite like using a corrupt form of gnosticism because it suits them well. They basically want to be just like Jehovah, to the point where they assume they already are rex mundi (The king of the world.)

Eugenics is the attempt to attain apotheosis through genetic engineering (and genes are matter), which is the totally opposite to the rest of gnosticism. The ancient gnostics believed that man can purify his "lead" soul/mind into "gold". - Hence the founding of Alchemy as a philosophy.  

Maybe man can't become God, but striving to become God while taming your ego is one of the most amazing goals humanity can set for itself. That is how science, and most modern knowledge today was born. Science can be used for both good and evil. Just remember that before you go bashing the quest for gnosis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7RIkS_vQho

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 19:29 | 3562678 noless
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Also, transhumanism is largely based around the idea that at some point man and it's inventions will merge into a higher being, not that humanity as it is and will be will cease to exist in the process, not really eugenics as applied in social policy.. Lumping transhumanism in with futurism and eugenics really dulls the boundaries in ways that are at best misleading..

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 19:58 | 3562752 mc_LDN
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Agreed. We need to be very careful here to clarify the definition of Gnosis vs Gnosticism in this context though so people are not confused though.

Gnosis - to know, is defined as attaining a knowledge through something akin to a realisation of super-conciousness (mystical enlightenment) through the sublimination of the Ego and is the basis for many mystical insights whether through the Western traditions - Kabbalism, Hermeticism, Neoplatonism ( and Greek Mystery Religions), Alchemy, Sufism (Islam), Esoteric Christianity OR Eastern such as Buddhism, Zen, The Tao etc

Gnosticism - is the movement of early Christian Gnostics (of a Christian bent) that frequently crossed swords with what is now known as the Orthodox Church until Emperor Constantine  in the 4th Century AD wrote them out of a unified Church. (Gnostic) Personal Divine  Knowledge and The Temple is Within VS (Orthodox) Blind Faith and Hierachial Church... We know who won.

Gnostic Philosophy in the intellectual sense which is the term that is often being referred to when citing Elites is rather defined as  knowing better than everyone else and doesnt have any God  / Super conciousness element.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 02:15 | 3563780 Precious
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Anti-Christian bullshit.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 04:29 | 3563889 mc_LDN
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That attitude engendered the Inquisition. Look where that got us.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 18:18 | 3562426 g speed
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don't forget racism

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 01:51 | 3563740 Anusocracy
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The concept of (a personal) god was an adaptation of the concept of animism.

It was a cultural device to help bind the disparate, warring hunter-gatherer tribes, into a settlement that could support the existence of a government and compete with similar settlements. It is the ingroup-outgroup dichotomy within the people changed into the ingroup-outgroup of religions/gods towards other religions/gods. It is still making its presence felt today.

Think of it as the Hatfields and the McCoys get religion, attend the same church, learn to co-exist, and then present a united front towards an enemy that is doing the same thing to present a united front to them.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 02:14 | 3563784 Precious
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Pop-psyche bullshit.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 10:38 | 3563779 Precious
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Wow.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 17:38 | 3562289 francis_sawyer
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"Deservin's got nothing to do with it"

~William Munny

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 19:49 | 3562726 Cathartes Aura
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+1.

and as fiction, amrka has completely lost the plot. . .

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 22:14 | 3563192 prains
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quoting JB and getting a response culls the herd

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 17:39 | 3562290 Rainman
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I rate this five stars ! Humanity is all fucked up ...always has been, always will be. Keep up your good work getting the word out !

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 18:19 | 3562431 Buckaroo Banzai
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Humanity isn't fucked up, but human nature is. God knows that but still loves us.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 18:58 | 3562580 Rainman
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I agree....don't know how or why He does though. The 7 deadly sins are now humanity's most admired characteristics. Welcome to Doomed.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 19:34 | 3562688 Cathartes Aura
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whose "God" are you referencing here?

I read of other Gods that say they're mighty jealous, and will tolerate no "rulebreakers" - and there have been many Gods used to justify much warmongering through the centuries. . .

the obvious fact usually overlooked is that humans love to create Gods to justify their actions, as the OP notes.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 19:53 | 3562740 mayhem_korner
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I believe there is only one God, the one of whom Buckaroo speaks and the one to whom the events unfolding in the world bear continual and consistent testimony.  There is no credible evidence against the existence of God, but people are free to accept Him or not.

To me, then, your "whose 'God'" is misplaced.  If you choose to believe something different than what we believe to be the truth, I would only encourage you to consider the consequences in the event your belief is wrong.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 20:58 | 3562920 They trynna cat...
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God's existence is easily demonstrated through logic and reason.  His nature, however, is incomprehensible.

Whether one accepts Jesus as the Son is where faith comes into play.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 21:38 | 3563051 Buckaroo Banzai
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Very well spoken.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 01:33 | 3563711 e-recep
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well then, use logic and reason, and demonstrate us all that god exists. i am waiting.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 07:16 | 3564043 mayhem_korner
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You choose not to acknowledge and assimilate the evidence that is readily available, and therefore will be "in waiting" so long as your heart remains hardened.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 02:39 | 3563804 Precious
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God cannot be proven and does not need to be, nor is God's nature incomprehensible.

These don't preclude faith in Christ, and while some parts are mysteries, the message is absolutely clear.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 03:29 | 3563844 AnAnonymous
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So god's existence is easily demonstrated through reason and logic and just by coincidence, this god happens to be Jesus etc

'American' logics at work. The same logics that demand that a problem of overconsumption is solved by getting rid of non consumers.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 04:29 | 3563891 akak
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Chinese citizenism blobbing-up does not even need reason or logic to prove its existence --- just a set of open eyes, and a mind which is not automatically geared to blame Americans, every one of them, for every evil in the world.

Alas, alas, 1.3 billion times alas, just have to bear with the hypocritizenism.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 09:01 | 3564260 They trynna cat...
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If you had actually read my post, you would've seen where I said that Christ is where faith comes into play.

Not sure what country you're from, but apparently "American logic" wins out over your country's reading comprehension.

And as for logical proof of God's existence, try cracking a book more than 50 years old by someone like Plato, Newton or Planck.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 21:04 | 3562936 Cathartes Aura
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it isn't my "whose God" because I don't believe in one - but the one God you and others here reference often, is this the same God that others reference, or a different "one"?

I only ask because there are so many referenced, daily.  and they appear to have conflict-ing agendas, which makes it difficult for me to believe there's just "one God" out there.   I've listened to "testimony" and even there, the god's vary with the individual receiving the message.  if there is but "one God" how very special the few are who believe in that particular 'one God" hmm?  and the rest of the world?

I would also encourage you to consider the consequences in the event your belief is wrong.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 21:45 | 3563080 Buckaroo Banzai
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I suggest you read the New Testament. Actually, just read the 4 Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John), they will take you a few hours of your time at most.

This is a minimal investment of time that will pay tremendous dividends.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 21:58 | 3563127 Cathartes Aura
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I was raised a bible scholar, still have the awards believe it or not.

but sadly, I asked too many questions, and received too many untruths as answers, so the whole project fell apart. . .

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 03:44 | 3563789 Precious
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You sought answers from the wrong sources.  Truth doesn't fall apart.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 04:51 | 3563892 akak
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God, and gods, are nothing but the delusion of weak minds, no different nor more real than leprechauns and fairies.

The fact that the large majority of people worldwide continue to believe in a god, or gods, like their similarly strongly held belief in not only the fiction but the supposed benevolence of the state and its handmaiden of government, is merely further proof of the inherent insanity of mankind.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 07:50 | 3564056 mayhem_korner
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You are testifying to God's existence with your words as you are fulfilling exactly what He proclaimed in terms of unbelievers (see, e.g., the Olivet Discourse in Matthew 24).  Believers do not take your 'bait' of taunting and unsubstantiated challenging; we are confident in what we believe, we recognize your challenges as further testimony to the truth, and we hope that they are a veiled cry to gain the truth for yourself.

Edit: Here's a fun little "did you know" that I teach people who are new the Scriptures...

Even most unbelievers acknowledge that a man named Jesus was crucified some 2000 years ago.  Historians and archaeologists have been able to affirmatively verify King David's reign, and of his writings during those times.  In all of the Bible, only David describes the crucifixion as "they have pierced my hands and feet" (in Psalm 22; the Gospel accounts of the crucifixion only state that He was crucified, they do not describe the physical act). Isaiah and Zechariah also describe being "pierced", but not specifically to the hands and feet.  Did you know that?  And did you know that crucifixion had not even been invented as of the time of David's writing of Psalm 22?  How can that be? 

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 08:20 | 3564151 akak
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Blah blah blah blah, "I continue to blindly and irrationally believe in that for which there is utterly no evidence, i.e., I am insane", blah blah blah blah blah ....

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 09:16 | 3564309 Precious
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Another one who cannot hide his true nature.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 09:22 | 3564326 mayhem_korner
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At least he's reading what we have to say.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 07:12 | 3564019 mayhem_korner
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People do not get awards for being a Bible scholar, they get persecuted.  Your claim to being fluent/literate in the Bible doesn't jibe with getting inadequate answers, and you have not demonstrated any lucidity as to what the Bible says.  The truth does not fall apart...maybe you haven't found it yet.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 16:22 | 3566253 Cathartes Aura
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depends on the flavour of the scriptured cult, and you obviously have limited your experiences to your favourite tastes.

because I have a good memory and stuff like this is easy for me, and partly because I liked winning prizes, and partly because I was obsessed with being a scriptorian, I was extremely invested in the whole scripture memorization thing in seminary. I was scripture chase champion at my seminary every year we had one–I even competed in a regional scripture chase competition

like the quote above, I was raised in the Mormon flavour, which included schooling every morning 6-7am, prior to gov't. schooling at 8am - talk about a double whammy of cultural myths!  as someone who enjoyed learning, I did well, for a while at least - until I came up against a teaching that just made no sense. . . that teaching includes an eternal secondary class for Mormon females, who would never get to be gods that created worlds - for that is what the secret Mormon temples prepare their priests for, becoming gods who create realities like "Earth" - but only the men, and the women are for time and all eternity (that's a specific meme in Morman-speak) relegated to help-mates & mommies. . . I questioned that, as a prized student with little award pins & badges, the notion that however righteous I might be in life, "god" would always see me as a reproductive animal at best.

that broke the illusion for me - because it made zero sense to believe in something that penalised my existence, that assigned a role of understudy, eternally.  it took a couple more years to shake off the memorisation/mind control - but as soon as I was of legal age, I escaped that "reality" and began to learn my own value to myself, and how to extend that privilege of value to those who also get duped/abused as children and believe it somehow is their own fault, and not the family/culture they were raised to believe was the ONLY truth.

and I agree with you, the Truth does not fall apart.  the One Truth is that everything is true for someone, and to the extent people believe in Separation, take sides, elevate themselves above each other in hierarchies, the point is missed - we are consciousness experiencing itself, in myriad individual minds, no two alike despite attempts towards uni-formity, no two perspectives ever duplicated. . .separation is the illusion.  and that's the Truth.

and within That, we act/react, fulfilling our existence, which is No Thing, really. . .

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 22:10 | 3563171 They trynna cat...
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I give people that exact advice all the time.  If He wants you He will speak to you through the Gospels.  "You did not choose me, but I chose you."  As He is outside of space and time, He can literally see you with Him in heaven at this moment.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 22:46 | 3563297 Cathartes Aura
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so, no one chooses "Him" - he chooses "them"?

now that's a great definition of how believers justify their sense of special-ness.

I wonder what "His" criteria is for choosing those very select "ones". . .

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 23:12 | 3563384 They trynna cat...
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God knew before the world was even created how it would all end.  He knew from the beginning what, or who, He wanted to attain from it all. 

For a human to attempt to understand God's ultimate purposes is the same as Super Mario trying to understand the purposes of the Japanese guy who created Super Mario Bros.  We simply do not have the intellectual ability to comprehend God's purposes, let alone question them.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 23:40 | 3563475 Cathartes Aura
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seems rather sad that the absolute majority of humans are left out of the "chosen" ones.

why would they even be in existence, except to be punished, suffering while a handful feel special.

it's not a storyline I can subscribe to, sorry.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 01:32 | 3563710 Buckaroo Banzai
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Why do you say the "absolute majority" are left out? How do you know this?

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 16:24 | 3566261 Cathartes Aura
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I'm going by what's posted - that only "a few" are "chosen" by these gods, so therefore, the absolute majority must be left out of the chosen, yes?

maybe you don't believe what the other post shared. . .

If He wants you He will speak to you through the Gospels.  "You did not choose me, but I chose you."

some are more favoured. . .?

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 02:30 | 3563795 Precious
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Christ is there for anyone who selflessly abides in him.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 04:38 | 3563893 akak
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Bring your Christ over to my house some day, then --- I would like to take him to task for a few tens of millions who have been killed by his devoted disciples in his holy name.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 08:51 | 3564222 They trynna cat...
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That silly Jesus. He should have known better than to preach "love your enemy" knowing that imperfect men would twist his doctrine and use it as an excuse to do wrong. What a fool.

And I'll bring Christ over as long as you promise to bring Stalin, Mao, Trotsky, Pol Pot, and all the other humanist communist atheists who thought that man was the highest say in the universe.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 10:14 | 3564356 Precious
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Your lies are predictably shallow; everyone can see through them.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 07:30 | 3564068 mayhem_korner
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Man rejected God, not the other way around.  Salvation is available to all, but not all hear the voice of the Shepherd.  The punishment brought upon people is of their own doing by separating themselves from God.  Only Christ took on the "punishment that was ours" and bore the transgressions of all (Isaiah 53), despite never giving into temptation nor separating Himself from the Father.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 03:47 | 3563801 Precious
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God doesn't choose anyone.  Christ made us free to choose him.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 04:32 | 3563894 akak
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Christ is nothing but a rust stain on the side of a refrigerator in Mount Vernon, Alabama.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 08:55 | 3564241 They trynna cat...
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And you're nothing but a product of the West's politically correct miseducation system, where a bunch of liberal arts majors teach kids to 'think critically' about how race, gender and God are all just imaginary 'social constructs' believed in by people not smart enough to read the Huffington Post.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 10:23 | 3564367 Precious
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You surrender again with a grovelling whimper.  A frustrated, minor menace.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 03:35 | 3563847 AnAnonymous
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Ah, that is the 'american' way.
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There is no credible evidence against the existence of God, but people are free to accept Him or not.
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Poof, 'americans' demanding to prove the absence of when it is the presence of that should be proven.

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I would only encourage you to consider the consequences in the event your belief is wrong.
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So starting from the very demand that the absence of is to be proven, one can get some horribly wrong consequences.

Since all this stuff relies on the difficulty to prove a negative, without no direct knowledge of existence, simply only that the absence cant be certified, it means that a god might be as well rewarding people who do not believe, who do not pray etc and punish all those who invoke the god.

But, hey, 'americans' are 'american' so that absence of god you cant prove must be filled by the religious beliefs they used to ensure their domination.

So that god they cant disprove the inexistence must be Jesus.

'Americanism' at work, the best thing to have ever happened to humanity.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 03:44 | 3563857 TheFourthStooge-ing
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'AnAnonymism' at work, whining, mouth piecing and all.

Typical 'AnAnonymist' behaviour: displaying a behaviour that has no existence on the spot and stating later the consequences of it.

The Chinese citizenism citizen nature is eternal.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 09:30 | 3563830 Precious
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Sorry Buckaroo.  God certainly knows humanity is sinful.  That's why he sent Christ his son. 

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 17:39 | 3562292 Iam Yue2
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Compensation (in the Jungian sense, of course) awaits them, somewhere further down the road.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 17:50 | 3562317 Rainman
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Human males need to just get back to what they do best......visually measuring how much their dicks seem to be shrinking over the years. They always lie about that too.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 17:56 | 3562321 Dr. Engali
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Can God create a rock that he so heavy that he can't lift it ?

The answer is no. There are certain laws of nature that even God must abide by. An issue that these trans humanists will never understand.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 18:00 | 3562338 ZerOhead
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Can the Fed and the Congreff create banks that are too big to fail?

The answer is no. There are certain laws of nature that even the Federal Reserve must abide by. An issue that these trans humanists will never understand.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 18:17 | 3562417 knukles
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The esteemed scientist Stephen Hawking died and went to heaven where at the Pearly Gates he is met by God himself.  So enamored with this journey, the experience and becoming so caught up in the amazement, he never noticed that he'd been relieved of all his infirmities and had forgotten to respectfully introduce himself.  Indeed, he began recounting to God himself of the miracle of his arrival and how he had actually anticipated just such through his hard accumulated scientific study and knowledge. 
Politely, God furthered the conversation asking a myriad of questions which, if Hawking had been paying any attention, he would have realized that in the Socratic method, answered all the questions of man, God, their relationship, the nature of the universe and man's purpose and destiny itself.
Yet he persisted in an overwhelming display of self reliance and ego to attempt to impress God with his own knowledge.
Carefully, God asked him of the miracle of the creation of life itself and Hawking now overflowing with false pride told God that he would in fact, Create Life for him to prove his ability.
So he reached down, picking up two handfuls of dirt and said to God, "Watch this."
To which God smilingly, kindly, replied; "Hold on son.  That's my dirt."

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 18:56 | 3562578 shovelhead
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Doh!

Good one.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 19:43 | 3562714 Hulk
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I always wondered where Hawking found the time to announce all the train schedules ???

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 19:56 | 3562747 Squiddly Diddly
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God, as creator of nature, also creates the laws of nature and therefore is not subject to those laws. I agree trans humanist are in the dark. Ex 3:14

God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 20:01 | 3562757 mayhem_korner
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...but he humbled Himself and made Himself subject to those laws for some 33 years.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 21:16 | 3562950 Dr. Engali
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Hebrews 6:18 so that by two unchangeable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled for refuge might have strong encouragement to hold fast to the hope set before us.

There are indeed limitations on God the creators power. He can not do anything that goes against his nature.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 11:50 | 3565045 XitSam
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Is it the nature of god to be able to change his nature?

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 20:06 | 3562772 Ignatius
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And so we circle back to Fudd's First Law:  If you push something hard enough it will fall over.  I've mentioned this before, but it's a good one to keep in mind.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 13:18 | 3569775 RichardP
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If you push something hard enough it will fall over.

Typical display of constrained perspective.  Is this statement true in space?  Push on the same object in space hard enough and it will fall over?

And - in space, how do you know which end is up or which direction is sideways (fallen over) - that you should be certain that the object wasn't already fallen over before you began pushing on it?

In the end, most words / language / concepts have meaning only in relation to a specified standard.  Remove the standard, and you remove the ability to communicate with each other - because no one knows what the words / language / concepts actually mean.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 17:51 | 3562323 Fuku Ben
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These psychopaths with delusions of grandeur will stop at nothing

They are going to get us all killed through their ignorance and arrogance

On a positive note I slept with a goddess last night

 

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 17:51 | 3562324 cougar_w
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"fundamental unknowns derail the pursuit of full knowledge, and thus, full control."

Let's hope.

http://madscienceunlimited.com/fiction/uncomfortableWithTheTruth.html

Bullshit. Burns.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 17:54 | 3562326 kito
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Transhumanists????...

 

ive heard about them...they are conflicted soul-less elites who dress up and act like one of the masses...like a human.....they wear...gasp...levis....and drink budweiser....they tell nobody of this......for the shame would be too much to bear......poor things.......totally confused.........

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 18:01 | 3562349 fonzannoon
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"Jung discovered that the mind was, in fact, not “blank”. Rather, the building blocks of certain knowledge, personality, and even moral conscience were inherent at birth."

It's called a bullshit detector.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 18:13 | 3562401 kito
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fonz, i woke up today and the dow was up.......why am i pissed off about that?? i mean, i should be happy for the people like my parents who have 401ks (and who also are beginning to question what went wrong in raising me)---its not like i want to see innocent people get hurt............if there were a way to fix the system with a snap of the finger without maiming the masses, i would go for it in a heartbeat....and yet.....that will never be.........i need a shrink..............

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 18:36 | 3562496 fonzannoon
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don't be pissed. Just treat your parents well and keep doing what you are doing. Consider yourself hedged in case the matrix wins. I don't feel pissed. Just bummed out because every day this market exposes itself as the fraud it becomes the more certain I am it's going to end horribly.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 19:02 | 3562587 kito
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come on, when the market ramps at the end of the day....there isnt smoke coming out of your ears??????? 

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 19:24 | 3562659 negative rates
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Should there be?

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 19:24 | 3562661 fonzannoon
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It's been 4 years of this, At this point I am numb to it. What irks me is that this could just be groubdhog day from here on out.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 19:42 | 3562712 buyingsterling
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YES! Conscience exists at birth, and is imbued in every human being. This is one of the most powerful arguments for the existence of a Creator; science would expect each human to be born tabula rasa. It is also the yardstick by which our lives can be measured and our future determined: spiritual enlightenment is a process of becoming more like our Creator, more able to commune with Him in this life and beyond, and the conscience is the guide, along with the teachings we find that accord with the conscience. In a nutshell, both the conscience and the teachings boil down to: don't hurt others, and use your abilities to do good.

By following the conscience, people in the remotest realms can find their way back to their Creator. The Biblical injunction to follow Christ is simply the purest expression of the impulses of the conscience, and the person who grows up and dies having never heard of Christ can still find communion with God through like-ness. If there is a Creator, it is probable that we will all find ourselves with much more direct 'access' to Him when our material bodies cease functioning. Whether that access is blissful and celebrated, or painful and avoided will likely depend upon our likeness to Him.

Whether we choose to follow our conscience and become more like him is our free choice. We have free will because only free will can produce meaningful love: the willingness to suffer for the sake of another. In due respect to that free will, The Creator remains largely invisible to us in this realm. He's not there to hector us when we go astray; being visible would eliminate our free will, and the love that it makes possible would be a calculation rather than a choice. So just as any loving parent seeks to provide guidance, in the conscience The Creator has given us all a guide, a path to reunion with Him. The fact that some of us ignore the conscience and build giant gulags and other systems of suffering (large or small, in the individual, the home, or writ large on nations) is the price we pay for the existence of free will and the ability to experience true love. Because humans are not likely to have exceeded The Creator in their capacity to love, we can know that The Creator loves each person unconditionally, as some parents love their children. For the Creator to love even one of us unconditionally He must love us all unconditionally, even one exception establishes conditions for His love. He's doubtless not happy with all of us, but like an unconditionally loving parent, His love still persists for one and all, and He hopes we will all come to be with Him in time.

At least I think that's how it's all set up. It explains suffering, and dovetails with the secret to happiness (love). Thanks for reading.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 20:02 | 3562758 They trynna cat...
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Matter is a huge hindrance, but it is also an advantage, because it temporarily prevents us from choosing pure good or evil.  Stuck in our limited physical bodies, trying to grasp the breadth of creation with our physical brains, we never have perfect knowledge of anything, hence we can never fully commit ourselves any one way.

Angels, on the other hand, being pure spirit, got locked into the side they committed themselves to at the point where God gave them a choice.  Some chose good, and some chose evil (Lucifer and his followers).  Because of their lack of physical bodies, and their perfect understanding of all concepts, the angels are irrevocably stuck in the choice they made.  Lucifer, son of the morning, convinced of his own glory, chose to reject God and attempt to usurp His position.  And now he can never go back.

While the angels who chose poorly can never undo their decision, humans who choose poorly by living poorly nevertheless have an opportunity to choose God all the way until the end of their physical life.  Humans always have a second chance, no matter how terrible their past deeds.  And this is precisely why Lucifer hates mankind and wishes to see us burn with him for eternity.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 03:35 | 3563822 Precious
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Wrong.  Conscience does not exist at birth. The bible doesn't say that anywhere.

Children reach an age of reason, around 5, give or take a year.  Then they start to know right from wrong. 

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 18:13 | 3562400 Wanton1
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The deceiver is himself deceived.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 18:14 | 3562406 ILikeBoats
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As the Christians phrase it "there is a light that shines in the darkness, and the darkness is not able to comprehend it".  The global elites are spiritually aligned with darkness, oppression, murder, rape, theft and looting.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 20:05 | 3562769 mayhem_korner
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Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.  (2 Thessalonians 2:3-4)

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 18:31 | 3562478 TuPhat
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Math is a language used to express how the universe works.  Like everything else man has come up with, it is an imperfect language.  Using math to define things that are infinite is not going to work.  The elite don't want to be like God and therefore inherit his power.  They want to break all the rules god has set forth and somehow obtain power greater than God himself.  That isn't going to work out well for them and it won't work out well for those of us who get stepped on.  The freedom of choice Brandon mentioned was given to man by God.  He also gave us all of our other rights, not the govt.  The attempt to take them away from us is just one of the elites attempts to play at being God.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 18:38 | 3562499 cougar_w
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Nicely put.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 19:55 | 3562744 Cathartes Aura
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so, I'm assuming you're referencing the God of America?

The freedom of choice Brandon mentioned was given to man by God.  He also gave us all of our other rights, not the govt.  The attempt to take them away from us is just one of the elites attempts to play at being God.

again, what about the rest of the world, and the history of "god" before amrka was even imagined?  before the western european men set foot on the continent there were gods - so where do they fit into your narrative?  it sounds nice, but which rights are you referring to, and who gets them? are there any folks left out of the "rights" rules?  anyone who doesn't fit into the amrkn narrative, but still exist in the world?  does the amrkn god have an opinion about them?

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 22:04 | 3563146 TuPhat
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There is only one God who created the whole world and he is the God of all of it.  He isn't always called by the same name in every country.  You can believe what you want He gave that right to everyone on earth.  I'm not sure what you mean by an American God.  America is a continent with many countries and many different beliefs.  I live in the USA but I don't like the elite kleptocrats (use any name you want to call them) any better than other ZHrs.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 23:49 | 3563511 Cathartes Aura
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I used "American God" because most of the posters using "god" in their posts are amrkn - ie, they're not talking about the Gods of the Middle East, or South Asia, or Indonesia, etc. - they're specifically referencing a particular flavour of god, in their image.  and while amrka has many different religions, yes indeed, I'm merely trying to extract the flavour of god that is being referenced.

and while the God you're posting about does indeed have many names, he also has many agendas, so it's not easy for me to accept he is the same for everyone - how could he be?  he differs with the mind entertaining him.

is the god of Iran the god of Israel, the god(s) of India, the same god you write of?  with different historical "books" all talking about the same god?

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 03:39 | 3563824 Precious
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You use "American God" because you really don't know God. You are distanced from God, and no point in spreading your misinformation to everyone --- except because you desire to be God.

Carthartes Aura --- the "creature that consumes the dead".  You cannot hide your true nature and your goal of Deception.  

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 04:35 | 3563897 akak
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Please take your laughably ignorant Bible-thumping nonsense to some illiterate, uneducated backwoods troglodytes who might actually appreciate it.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a child to sacrifice to Baal.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 10:34 | 3564333 Precious
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It's impossible for you likewise, to hide your true nature. Another worshiper of death because you rage to be god yourself. Anyone can see it. It's always made plain.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 18:22 | 3566735 Cathartes Aura
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"Cathartes Aura" - the Golden Purifier. . .

the creature uniquely designed to remove the remains of those creatures whose spirit has left behind a carcass toxic to others who might eat it, yet the Vulture can handle ingesting.   indeed, has evolved for that particular purpose in the Grand Scheme of Nature.  the Egyptians had a Goddess, Maat, who uses a Vulture feather to weigh the heart of the recently departed, the goal being to have freed the heart of all burdens, desire, etc. - heavier than a Vulture feather?  back to learn some more. . . learn to free the Heart, of the Heart's desires.

or, was the Vulture created by the Devil?  because god prefers to see creatures suffer and die from eating putrefaction?  are Vultures evil, and unworthy of your god?  weird.

 

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 03:40 | 3563853 AnAnonymous
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There is only one God who created the whole world and he is the God of all of it.
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No kidding. Even for people who believe there is more than one god?

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America is a continent with many countries and many different beliefs.
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'Americans' refer to the United States of America as 'America'

That place is undubiously monolithic in terms of religious beliefs,overwhelming christian religion, so much less diverse in terms of religious creed than before the establishment of the mecca of 'americanism' on Earth named the US of A.

But, hey, 'americans' improve diversity. 'Americans' are committed to promote diversity, even when by all obvious measures, they have been decreasing diversity by large.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 04:07 | 3563875 TheFourthStooge-ing
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If that could be true... Reads much more like a Chinese citizenism citizenship personality trait and in the Chinese citizenism world order, Chinese citizenism is spreading like propaganda pours out of an 'AnAnonymist' propagator's mouth to cover up facts...

 

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 04:25 | 3563884 akak
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Hey AnusAnomalous, just this morning I watched the stirring and historically significant movie "Seven Years in Tibet".
I highly recommend it to you.

But it will not make you laugh.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 10:02 | 3564400 Precious
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What you recommend is irrelevant, insidious and of course, mere Deception.  Nothing is found in Tibet that God doesn't reveal everywhere.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 03:44 | 3563856 AnAnonymous
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again, what about the rest of the world, and the history of "god" before amrka was even imagined?
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For 'americans', there is no before. Only humanity erring on the path of tyranny, deception and apathy. The history of man starts on 1776, July,4th. In the US, they do not teach about the previous civilizations. They teach about dinosaurs.

Dinosaurs. Humanity without the guidance of 'americanism'. Humanity gifted with 'americanism'.

The 'american' time line.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 03:49 | 3563861 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Claiming that 'americans' committed every crime in human history, in order to get away with your actual crimes? Does it work?

Made my day. Totally unconnected to reality.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 20:15 | 3562797 They trynna cat...
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Math is not a language that man came up with so much as it is the one and only language by which man is able to trace back the order of the physical system that God created and that exists independent of man.  Math is completely objective and completely true.  The ancient Greeks understood that math was God's language; that's why they were obsessed with it and considered it the only subject worthy of a boy's education.

Needless to say all math that is known or will ever be known by man is not even a glimmer of what exists in the mind of God.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 22:08 | 3563158 TuPhat
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I can accept what you are saying but some people use math to come up with false results.  Such as Keynesian math.  Or maybe they use something else to calculate their schemes.  I don't really know.  Haven't been there or done that.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 18:44 | 3562521 Wakanda
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From "Lighter Than Air"  by Rodney Charles and Anna Jordan:

p 53

The Monk On The Cloud

Luang Pu Waen (b. 1888) , Thailand's national saint, began his religious studies when he was twelve years old and eventually mastered Saiyawet, or "magical knowledge and practices," formulated by Indian Brahmans.

After he was ordained a monk, he left the monastery for a period of solitary wandering in Thailand, Indochina, and Burma.  During his travels Luang Pu used his powers to subdue wild beasts that were terrorizing the villagers.  He eventually took up residence near the Mae Pang Mountain in 1962.

In 1971 a Thai air force pilot on a practice flight over the peak saw a monk serenely sitting in meditation on a cloud.  The pilot swerved away just in time, narrowly missing him, and after landing his plane, he took his flight map and searched the mountain until he came upon Luang Pu Waen, whom he recognized as the hovering monk.

When Luang Pu's biographer questioned the abbot of Waen's monastery about the incident, he said he had heard a plane flying over the mountain:  the noise of the engine stopped, then started up again.  Other pilots saw the "apparition" and several of them traveled to Luang Pu's monastery and identified him as the person they saw sitting in the clouds.  (Tamiah)

Yo Brandon - we are fallen gods - addicted to drama and failure.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 18:45 | 3562527 gaoptimize
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I have seen aspects of the divine in several women that I've known.  I think a necessary personality trait of the divine in man is humility.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 19:03 | 3562591 shovelhead
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Marrying them will correct your vision.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 19:03 | 3562589 Oldwood
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Please don't piss off our "Gods" anymore than they already are. I can't take much more of their retribution.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 19:11 | 3562618 They trynna cat...
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The original lie told to Eve by the serpent in the Garden of Eden: that mankind could be God. 

"For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."

Progressive liberalism, communism, New Age, atheism, satanism, all lead back to the same lie told to humanity thousands of years ago by the Father of Lies.

Life is a constant battle between matter (flesh) and spirit.  All human conflicts, all shortages, all famines, all violence, are rooted in matter and its limitations.

Beauty, justice, strength, goodness, joy, exist out of time and space and are rooted in spirit.  Spirit is ALWAYS superior to matter.

Satan wants to pull you down to matter and flesh.  He wants you to forget about spirit and get mired down in sex, money, status among men, etc.  Once you embrace matter and ignore spirit, you are his.

You're going to serve one kingdom or the other, whether you like it or not.  If the world economy and the snakes running it have taught anyone anything, it's that one should not put their faith in man and paper, but in God and spirit.  Choose the right one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjmFm8PIz8M

 

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 20:14 | 3562792 sschu
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Thanks for the post, very nice.  I also like this one from 1 Corinthians 1

18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
    the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”[c]

20 Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. 22 Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24 but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.

 

 

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 19:18 | 3562642 chump666
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I love this post ZH.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 19:18 | 3562644 NuYawkFrankie
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"Elites" as gods?

One look at their stupid ugly mugs will tell you otherwise.

LOL!

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