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IRS To Conservatives: "Provide Details Regarding All Of Your Facebook Or Twitter Activity"

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It has become difficult to keep track of all the different "-gates" the Obama administration has suddenly found itself embroiled in: perhaps an appropriate name would be Gate-r-gate? And with the just concluded farce in which Jay Carney passed off all AP-related questions to Eric Holder, who in turn recused himself and told the media to please crucify the Deputy AG instead, it is unlikely that any material new information will be disclosed any time soon. However, courtesy of The Hill, we at least have some insight into the first gross offense by the administration revealed last week: the targeting of one political group over another by the supposedly impartial IRS. Specifically, attached below is the full 7 page questionnaire sent by the IRS to the Liberty Township Tea Party containing a list of 35 questions. 

Listed here one can find such pearls as "provide details regarding all of your activity on Facebook and Twitter", "Provide a list of all issues that are important to your organization", "do you or will you rate candidates", "you have conducted polls of of your membership to determine which candidates and issues they are supporting. Provide details on this process", "Do you conduct media advertisements lobbying for or against legislation?", "Do you directly or indirectly communicate with members of legislative bodies? If so, explain the amount and nature of the communication", and finally "provide details regarding your relationship with Justin-Bink(sic) Thomas." It appears Justin is someone who according to the Daily Kos, "claims that the government is bailing out too many people who don't want to work." Surely, for the IRS, this is "need to know" information.

 

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Tue, 05/14/2013 - 14:54 | 3561682 ParkAveFlasher
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This is "good" news, it means they don't have that information already. 

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 14:57 | 3561693 Suisse
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They haven't formalized the information sharing process with the NSA just yet, but give them some time. 

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 14:59 | 3561708 knukles
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Holder just announced a criminal investigation of the leaks.

Message:  Watch out whistle-blowers or you'll be Vince Fostered

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:08 | 3561757 idea_hamster
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ZH: "...according to the Daily Kos..."

Now you know the shit has hit the fan.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:12 | 3561764 Stackers
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I wonder what Mr. Mitch Steele of the IRS Exemption Determination Office of Cincinnati's political ties and affiliations are ???

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:12 | 3561780 francis_sawyer
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The only 'GATE' that matters anymore is the one to the 'corral' [just like the door to the barn]...

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It's open...

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:23 | 3561829 Cacete de Ouro
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And the boarding 'Gate' for any poor sods unlucky enough to travel to the US on a US airline...

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:30 | 3561864 TerminalDebt
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we laugh about it now.

We'll soon cry about it

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:59 | 3561968 johnQpublic
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are you now, or have you ever been a member of the communist party?----mccarthy

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:10 | 3562002 Buckaroo Banzai
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The difference was, McCarthy was right. Washington DC and Hollywood, was, in fact, infiltrated by Communist agents when he was asking these questions. History (not the kind you read about in "offishul" textbooks, but actual information uncovered about actual past events) has proven him correct.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:20 | 3562044 The Thunder Child
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Buck I higly recommend you watch this documentary, it factually covers just what you said.

AGENDA: Grinding America Down

Tylers this would make a great post.

 

 

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:35 | 3562103 Precious
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IRS To Conservatives: "Provide Details Regarding All Of Your Facebook Or Twitter Activity"

Conservatives to IRS: "It's Called an ACTIVITY FEED you Fucking Cunts.  Get it Yourselves."

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:53 | 3562171 JohnnyBriefcase
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Benghazi what?

 

left/right what?

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 17:40 | 3562293 Big Slick
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Mitch Steele's signature looks like he's mayor of My Little Ponyville

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 17:58 | 3562342 ATM
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guaranteed he would be a homosexual male leftist. 

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 17:44 | 3562303 General Decline
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You should have stopped at "Bemgazi what?" Although the short attention span of the American people have already forgotten about Begazi, they will continue to hold dear the right/left paradigm till the bitter end.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 17:46 | 3562307 General Decline
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You should have stopped at "Bemgazi what?" Although the short attention span of the American people have already forgotten about Begazi, they will continue to hold dear the right/left paradigm till the bitter end.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 17:09 | 3562217 Al Gorerhythm
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Don't be silly Precious. The IRS know about activity feeds already.Demanding action through false pretences yet backed by legislation attributes you the mantle of "Authority" over your victim. They aren't going to deny themselves an opportunity over moral issues any time soon. Brown shirts abound and we will be living a nightmare if we don't revolt.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 17:11 | 3562223 imapopulistnow
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If they asked for "your blogging activity", we'd all be screwed.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 17:18 | 3562248 Zymurguy
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My answer:  "I don't use that shit.  So you'll have to spy on me the old fashioned way, what a bitch, eh?"

(drone strike in 5... 4... 3... )

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:37 | 3562113 redpill
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And this video is an hour long, but worth every minute.

 

Deception Was My Job - Yuri Bezmenov

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:51 | 3562165 GetZeeGold
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They finally got the generation they needed.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:37 | 3562114 smlbizman
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i can promise you these fuckers are going to be filling liens on properties, freezes on bank accounts in the name of onigbama care....you will be guilty first and i doubt if you will ever prove your innocence....

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 20:32 | 3562840 EINSILVERGUY
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Yep, Venona vindicated McCarthy.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:34 | 3562105 WarPony
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UN Charter - co-authored by convicted commie Alger Hiss.  Forward zionistas!

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:00 | 3561972 imaginalis
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It's amazing how the IRS are so diligent against small time groups and individuals and yet manage to look the other way while corporations and the money elite avoid paying gargantuan sums of taxes.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:23 | 3562026 Precious
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No police career path by arresting powerful, rich guys.  Anyone in law enforcement knows you're much better off arresting a homeless person who stole an expired burrito from 7/11.  The homeless don't have too good of lawyers, ya see.  Even cops can figure that out. See, the cops don't like background checks, interrogatories and evidence subpoenas from rich defendant's lawyers either. Too much shit hidden in their closet. Better job security arresting indigent people who have zero chance against the police state, either on the street or in the halls of justuz.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:33 | 3562096 Harbanger
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Because Corporations and the money elite are already paying gargantuan sums directly to the politicians.  The IRS is the collection agency of Statism.  It's not going to be friendly to small Govt groups that would reduce it or remove it completely. 

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:41 | 3562126 darkpool2
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Small minds

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:21 | 3561773 The Thunder Child
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Nationwide tax revolt is the only solution to this shit, hold all taxes until the Federal Reserve, IRS, CIA, DHS, TBTF, TBTJ, privately controlled money, government debt and government corruption are eradicated. They can not stop a national movement like that, that is the power you hold.

Armed marches on Washington and marches on Wall St. will do nothing to change this shit, it only plays into their stazi police state. Start small community action organizations for the purpose of addressing the corruption then when the times is right unify nationally. Hit them where it will hurt the most.

 

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:21 | 3561816 walküre
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starve the beast

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:16 | 3562025 debtor of last ...
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How do frogs behave in a pressure cooker?

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 17:05 | 3562205 KickIce
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Don't know, but TSA thinks they're weapons

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 17:22 | 3562256 knukles
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Frogs are weapons now?
Holy crap!

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 18:02 | 3562354 KickIce
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Just wait a week, you never know.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 23:23 | 3563433 Joe Sixpack
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Come on ZeroHedge, "impartial" and  "IRS" in the same paragraph, let alone sentence? Even granting your "supposedly", You are slipping!

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 17:28 | 3562268 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

How do frogs behave in a pressure cooker?

They blow up real good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUtdXzBSVaU

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:22 | 3561821 pursueliberty
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Can the fed reserve not just give it directly to them?

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:25 | 3561834 The Thunder Child
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It would force a default, the people could purge all bad debt and start fresh with debt free treasury greenbacks.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:18 | 3562031 James_Cole
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Nationwide tax revolt is the only solution to this shit, hold all taxes until the Federal Reserve, IRS, CIA, DHS, TBTF, TBTJ, privately controlled money, government debt and government corruption are eradicated. 

This is equivalent to stop paying your credit card when you owe an obscene amount of money. It works well in theory only. 

The trick with this newest IRS scandal is moving it from a partisan issue (which are easy to sweep under the rug) into one that every American feels equally is an attack on their rights. 

Seeing constant reference to 'tea party' 'patriots' & 'conservatives' suggests how this issue will be spun.. One side getting mad that they're being oppressed, other side saying they had it coming.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:30 | 3562058 The Thunder Child
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Sovereign debt is a scam, a fraud perpetuated by the Federal Reserve, political puppets and it's banking masters.

A sovereign nation (the people) does not need debt or interest on that debt collected by taxation. It is right in the constitution the treasury can coin money debt free. The only thing a Sovereign nation needs to do when issuing debt free currency is to strictly control its quantity. A credit card is not a scam since you have a choice to get one or not, sign up or decline. Sovereign debt and taxation without representation is a 100 year scam brought to you buy rich banking families who made their wealth in the 1700 and 1800s. You have no choice in the matter you obey or you go to jail and lose all your assets.

The solution is right in front of everyones face, but almost nobody ever talks about it (Part of the reason I like Bill Still so much).

See Greenbacks, EO 11110....

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:35 | 3562099 James_Cole
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# BREAKING NEWS

Sovereign debt is a scam, a fraud perpetuated by the Federal Reserve, political puppets and it's banking masters.

Someone better get into contact with the proper authorities right away, they would certainly appreciate knowing this! Infact, I'm going to march over to 950 Pennsylvania Ave. right now and insist on an urgent meeting with Eric Holder!

 

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:37 | 3562111 The Thunder Child
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Oh is that the new thing they call sarcasm? Wow you seem to be pretty good at it, you must use it alot to hide your insecurity.

To the point of my comment: Credit card and sovereign debt are apples and oranges. One is optional and the other is manditory.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:49 | 3562151 JLee2027
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A history lesson may help you: Treasuryfor kids:

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/kids/history/history.htm

To manage the new country's money, the Department of Finance was created in 1781. The next year, Government debt was reported to the public for the first time.  The U.S. debt in 1783 totaled $43 million. That year, Congress was given the power to raise taxes to cover the Government's costs. However, the taxes did not bring in enough money. The debt continued to grow as the Government grew and provided more services to the people.

The U.S. Treasury Department was created in 1789 to help the country borrow money and manage the debt. Alexander Hamilton was the first Secretary of the Treasury and one of the country's founding fathers. He felt getting into a reasonable amount of debt would help the country get its feet on the ground. He said, "A national debt, if it is not excessive, will be to us a national blessing." By 1791, he estimated the federal government's debt to be $77.1 million. To help raise money, federal bonds were issued by the Government.

 

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:50 | 3562153 James_Cole
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To the point of my comment: Credit card and sovereign debt are apples and oranges. One is optional and the other is manditory.

 

Would be interesting to see this comparison in practice, we could discover how 'optional' either is. 

 

The same administration famous for blowing up the innocent children of designated terrorist American citizens is standing by ready for the controlled experiment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pOUFHTN1G4

 

 

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:57 | 3562181 The Thunder Child
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Fear Bait, change topic

To your mention on drone strikes, another reason to pull their funding. Fucking child killers.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 17:29 | 3562269 James_Cole
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One of the most reliable roads to defeat involves underestimating a formidable opponent.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:41 | 3562127 traderjoe
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+ United States Note(s)

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 18:05 | 3562365 KickIce
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Sure, right after we hang the bankers and put all the ill-gotten (otherwise known as stolen) property back on the market.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 18:06 | 3562366 KickIce
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Dupe

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:43 | 3561914 walküre
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They're doing just that already and fattening the other private bankers in the process. Without the Fed monetizing debt, the US government would have ceased to operate long ago.

Faith in what? Accepting funny money for what? For my good skills and labor? Why? Sharing the fruits of my gardens, my lands, my livestock with the government? Why?

Free people do not obey to a government that is existing purely to restrict the freedoms of said people. It is all nonsense what we've been told and subjected to.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:23 | 3561832 insanelysane
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Rush played a quote from Harry Reid where Reid says (paraphrasing), the IRS probably isn't the right organization to be doing "this type of work" but the IRS is all we have.

When he said this type of work he had spoke about eliminating "shadowy" conservative organizations.

Tells you all you need to know about how the government, dems and repubs alike, feel about the duties of the IRS.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:16 | 3562028 Manthong
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Reid was probably thinking more on the lines of a corps of enforcers with brown shirts, jackboots, weaponry with the power to arrest at will.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:41 | 3562130 Crtrvlt
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"Tells you all you need to know about how the government, dems and repubs alike, feel about the duties of the IRS."

 

yup "diff sides" of the  same coin 

 

And here’s the even more incredible thing: the Bush cabal didn’t just use the IRS for its political hackery – it mounted a full-scale government-wide assault on its enemies, marshaling disparate agencies in its smear efforts.

Bush’s use of the IRS was but one part of that larger assault. As my Salon colleague Alex Seitz-Wald notes today in greater detail, in 2005, Bush’s IRS began what became an extensive two-year investigation into a Pasadena church after an orator dared to speak out against President Bush’s Iraq War. Not coincidentally, the Los Angeles Times reports that the church targeted just so happened to be “one of Southern California’s largest and most liberal congregations.” That IRS church audit came a year after it launched a near-identical attack on the NAACP after the civil rights organization criticized various Bush administration policies.

That is not where the story ends, however. The Bush administration’s crusade against its enemies moved from the IRS into the Secret Service.

Under the Republican president, that law enforcement agency was repeatedly deployed to physically block suspected antiwar activists from attending public presidential events. As the San Francisco Chronicle reported, the scheme eventually targeted some peaceful antiwar activists for arrest for the alleged crime of “holding up small handwritten protest signs outside the designated zone” of free speech (yes, the Bush White House cemented the precedent that the right to dissent is no longer a fundamental right, but is instead only allowed in certain “free speech zones”). Ultimately, in a case dealing with a man who was arrested for simply telling Vice President Dick Cheney that his “policies on Iraq are disgusting,” the Republican-dominated Supreme Court upheld the Bush administration’s use of “retaliatory arrests” against the administration’s ideological critics.

Then, in 2010, we learned that Bush’s targeting operation was also operating inside the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Recounting findings from the Justice Department’s Inspector General, the Washington Post reported that “the FBI improperly investigated some left-leaning U.S. advocacy groups after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks…citing cases in which agents put activists on terrorist watch lists even though they were planning nonviolent civil disobedience.”

A year later, we learned that along with the IRS, Secret Service and FBI, the Bush administration may have also been using the Central Intelligence Agency against its political enemies. As the New York Times reported, “A former Central Intelligence Agency officer who was a top counterterrorism official during the administration of President George W. Bush, said the White House at least twice asked intelligence officials to gather sensitive information” on prominent Iraq War critic Juan Cole. That story had an eerie similarity to the Bush administration’s effort to out CIA operative Valerie Plame as retribution for her husband’s criticism of that same war.

Unlike the noisy outrage that met today’s allegations of IRS misconduct under President Obama, these earlier – and well-documented – revelations of systemic IRS, Secret Service, FBI and CIA misconduct were met with a collective shrug of the shoulders in Washington. Sure, a few newspapers wrote about them, and a few Democratic lawmakers tried to raise questions about the Bush administration’s actions, but compared to today’s sound and fury over the IRS allegations, there was veritable silence. Indeed, as alluded to before, so little outrage was voiced about this kind of thing during the Bush years that a Fox News’ headline this week summarizing a Karl Rove interview blared: “What if IRS Under President Bush targeted liberal groups?” – as if that never actually happened…even though it most certainly did.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 17:09 | 3562218 Weisshaupt
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So that means  we are all agreed that politicans are corrupt morons and shouldn't have the sort of power they have? Its been a long time since I met a Pro-GOP "conservative" - The GOP is just seen as the lesser of two evils.  Do you really think conservatives actually wanted Bush, McCain, or Romney? No, they were simply the alternative offered by a corrupt system in which no alternatives are really acceptable.    We should be able to agree that this sort of thuggery is wrong- no matter which side does it, and therefore agree that Government needs to be smaller, have less power, and therefore  fewer opportunities for graft and corruption.  That shouldn't even be controversial.   But it is. Because Liberals always want MOAR government, and they feel this sort of behavior is perfectly justified - because the only explanation they can conceive of for anyone opposing them or their ideas is that they are evil.  Conservatives view  liberals are ignorant, misguided and childish.  Liberals regard conservatives as Satan incarnate. Therefore persecuting conservatives is all good. For liberals the ends always justify the means.  That is why Liberals always end up mass murdering thier neighbors when they come to power.  ALWAYS. 

 

 

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 17:26 | 3562262 Buckaroo Banzai
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Indeed. Both parties abuse the IRS, but there is a qualitative difference between the way the Bush administration abused it, and the way the Obama administration abused it. Bush went after individual critics of his policy; Obama goes after anybody and everybody who is ideologically aligned against his filthy communist agenda.

Both are bad, but clearly, one is much worse.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 17:43 | 3562300 Crtrvlt
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"Both are bad, but clearly, one is much worse."  

 

yea the one who "missed" 9/11 and  manufactured intelligence to drag us into a multi-trillion $ (http://costsofwar.org/article/economic-cost-summary) unecessary war in Iraq costing the US 4k lives, 30k injured, and overall 250k dead civilians/contractors.

 

let's not even get into cheney, rumsfeld, greenspan, bernanke and lots of others who spanned both sides of the aisle

 

i'd also say the patriot act went above and beyond individual critics, among other policies

 

sorry this finger pointing and comparing one evil side to the other is pointless, but nothing compares to what Bush did

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 17:53 | 3562328 Harbanger
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"sorry this finger pointing and comparing one evil side to the other is pointless, but nothing compares to what Bush did"

No worries, Bush was not anywhere on their list.  They targeted patriots and conservatives.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 17:40 | 3562295 Harbanger
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"That is why Liberals always end up mass murdering thier neighbors when they come to power. ALWAYS. "

But like a religious zealot, the collective statist has always believed they are saving humanity.  So at least their intentions were good ;)  I'm not making any excuses.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:53 | 3562170 TruthDetector
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To the Reids, Cuomos, Bloombergs et al of the world, (basically ALL democraps & "progressives") WE are the enemy of the State, (not the actual criminals)!

Because we THE PEOPLE are the ONLY thing standing between them and total control!


Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:30 | 3561861 MachoMan
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You're fumbling on the goal line...  you should be advocating that people quit working and join the dole...  stopping paying taxes is just part of the equation... 

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:34 | 3561878 The Thunder Child
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Wrong, you are just forcing yourself to become more dependent on the system that is intent on destroying you. You need to boycott it and starve it, not further cement its presence as a necessity.

In essence your solution would only make the Free Shit Army stronger...

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:48 | 3561937 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Well, you could make bank and bury it. Then get on the tit. Help suck it dry that much faster.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:53 | 3561947 The Thunder Child
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DO NOT FEED THE ANIMALS

There is logic behind this message...

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:12 | 3562010 MachoMan
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I'm not sure if you got the memo, but a shit ton of folks on the dole have...  being on the dole doesn't stop you from working...  it only stops you from working somewhere that will give you a W-2 or 1099.  Further, it will allow you free time to spend in whatever ways you deem the best to prepare for whatever it is you feel coming...  and you'll get free internet and a phone to boot... aside from vouchers or credits towards virtually everything you can desire...  all subsidized.

Aside from the fact that joining the dole will starve the beast twice as fast than the method you suggest... 

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:34 | 3562104 The Thunder Child
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No it only serves it because the people who are on it will vote for more free shit by electing the politician that promises it. The more people that are on it the harder it will be to remove in the end, people get lazy fat and unproductive.

Socialism is great until you run out of other peoples money....

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 02:27 | 3563806 StychoKiller
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What MachoMan is saying is that Socialism will run out of munny faster if moar are sucking on the Govt teat(s).

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:31 | 3561904 Thought Processor
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'Starve the beast' is in fact the only passive protest option that will actually work.   

There is also a clear civil rights violation with regard to what the IRS has done here.   And as a result there is an opening for a class action law suit by all Tea Party members.   The Justice department has launched an investigation to front run this, and will somehow determine that they are not at fault (by possibly blaming an individual within the org. not the organization itself).   Then the resulting finding will have in it wording which states that the findings will have precedence over all other legal suits, thereby nullifying any subsequent law suites by groups or individuals.

This is how the US Gov. works, 

Starve the beast.  It's the only answer.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:50 | 3561944 kchrisc
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Rejection, our biggest and easiest weapon-- just quit paying and obeying them. The government is rogue and the banksters stole the money from us in the first place and they're both criminal.

Quit paying your credit bills, mortgages, taxes, fees, permits, etc. Just quit. Soon you won't afford to anyways, so just stop doing so now on your own terms.

Rejection; Revolution; Retribution; Restoration of the Constitutional republic. hujel

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:57 | 3561959 The Thunder Child
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They have shaped this current reality over 100 years, the only way to defeat it is to stop supporting it.

 

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:31 | 3562072 ChanceIs
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With all due respects, you are....well....clueless.  Up until 2008 I held your exact same position.  But then I watched $1 trillion a year be printed and knew that taking revenue away would do no good.  One is prompted to ask the question today, 'Why pay taxes at all it the government can just print as much tax revenue as it wants.'

But assuming that there is a problem - and for sure there is - how might we solve it.  First we must identify the problem.  We might go to Isaac Newton and ask about action and reaction.  This also might be the same as asking, qui bono.  What is the reaction to the money printing, who benefits?  I think that it is the TBTF banks.  Always the TBTF banks.  They touch the new money first.  They front run it.  They trade on the inside info.  So that is the problem - the money is going to the banks.

Then we must take the money away.

How do we do that?  We can surely withdraw deposits.  As businesspeople we can take our affairs to a smaller institution.  That might have some impact.  But what about the fact that we have the primary dealer issue - the TBTFs are the major buyers at the Treasury auctions.  (Oh.  Don't lets forget that these days, the Chinese just go straight o our Treasury and skip the auction.  They get the vig instead of our TBTFs.)  How do we cut off that source of oxygen.  Have to convince Congress to do something different - such as printing money and depositing it directly in workers accounts.  That avoids the whole farce of issuing Treasuries.  (I do not advocate this BTW - but it would be better than what we do now.)  How about taking oxygen in the form of the food stamp processing business away from JPM?  Requires Congress to act.

How do you starve a TBTF bank?

How about causing a run of their bullion bank activities?  That is going on right now.  (I think that they will start issuing paper for gold deliveries this Friday after the close.)  What will happen then?  Shouldn't they be forced into bankruptcy and liquidated?  Didn't GAAP change the accounting rules from mark-to-market to mark-to-fantasy in '08 when the SHTF?  So I am sure that the bullion banks will be allowed to mark air in the vault to bullion by Saturday morning.  Hey!!!!  Pull my finger!!!

No.  I am sorry.  The system will have to collapse.  The heads of the two hydras, TBTFs and Congress, will have to be removed.  I can't say that because it is sedition - or some such word.  The heads won't be cut off.  The organism will die and after a while the heads will fall off with decay.  Kind of like when the French hang dead pheasants by the head until the body drops to the floor - then it is ready to cook and eat.  (Or is that by the feet?)  What do the Chinese say - a fish rots from the head down.  So take cheer.  The process may be half over already.  I recommend C-Rations, 3D plastic guns, blankets and an automobile where the front seats can drop all the way back into a bed.

 

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:49 | 3562156 The Thunder Child
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A lot of noise and flip flop in your comment, I took the two important pieces....

 

But assuming that there is a problem - and for sure there is - how might we solve it.  First we must identify the problem.

Debt money, sovereign debt and puppet banker controlled government.

How do you starve a TBTF bank?

Shut down the central bank that supports it. All TBTF banks are stakeholders/shareholders in the Federal Reserve.

 

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 17:12 | 3562228 walküre
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@CHANCEIS

You're all over the map and overthinking the issue. TBTF are just that. Too Big Too Fail and therefore Too Big Too Touch. They will fail on their own when the system fails and implodes. What can the individual citizen and business owner do? A heck of a lot.

The Soviets are a good example in history of how to surive a collapsing system. Their government kept telling the people that things were fine. The people knew it was bullshit and prepared. Those that could developed a very functional and flourishing black market economy where Russians could get anything they wanted. They just couldn't get it in exchange for the official Russian currency. They either used foreign currency or bartered. The other benefit of that black market economy was that the really good stuff could only be had in exchange for alot of money. Way more than the advertised state controlled prices.

I know farmers who are selling the really good stuff to their "preferred" customers. Payment is always cash and in some cases precious metals. Another form of payment is labor.

It starts on a small scale and grows at its own pace. Government is full of shit and lying to the people. More people realize this and look for alternatives. At some point government will just not be able to operate on all cylinders and cracks will appear. They can't keep this up indefinitely. Government jokels want to get the good stuff for themselves in exchange for the currency they've helped manipulate. Well, it just doesn't work like that. Their currency has no value. It's toilet paper.

Give it time. More and more people are figuring this out. First the producers and growers, then the bakers, butchers and so on. If you want the real authentic and good stuff you have to dig deeper

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 21:25 | 3563005 ChanceIs
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Ten years ago somebody wrote that the reason that only 1 in 20 (am guessing at the rate) died when the Soviet Union collapsed was that because the people were so used to getting the s*&t beat out of them (after Stalin and WWII) and knew how to live at the margin.  They also didn't have to deal with the psychological effects (depression) at losing all of their great life styles because they had dirt to begin with.  They didn't know that they were poor.  By contrast the US has neither physical, practical or psychological survival skills.  So maybe 1 in 5 will die here.

The real conspiracy theorists suggest that the government has organized itself well to take over the agriulture complex.  That is a good way to control the masses.  Behave or you won't get dinner.  OBTW, we have fixed it so there is no black market in food.

Hmmmm.  Maybe I am becoming a conspiracy theorist myself.  Drudge and the other right wingers love to point out how people selling unpasturized milk, children with lemonaide stands, and old ladies growing vegetables on their front lawns all disappear w/o a trace.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 19:50 | 3567193 kchrisc
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"How do you starve a TBTF bank?"

Just quit paying them.

hujel

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:37 | 3562116 FreedomGuy
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"Nationwide tax revolt" ? Excellent idea! You go first.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:58 | 3562159 The Thunder Child
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Grow some balls and lets jump in at the same time. I'll hold your hand if it makes you feel better?

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 17:01 | 3562195 redpill
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Say hi to Irwin Schiff for me.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 17:30 | 3562273 The Thunder Child
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I admit I lol'd probably shouldn't have...really sad what they did to him.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:51 | 3562160 The Thunder Child
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Duplicate

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:50 | 3562161 TruthDetector
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AGREED.

Nationwide tax NON-PAYMENT revolt is the ONLY solution to this shit.

Hold all tax payments!

Hit them where it will hurt the most.

They can NOT stop a national movement like that, that is the power THE PEOPLE hold.

Armed marches on Washington and marches on Wall St. will do NOTHING to change this shit, it only plays into their stazi police state.

Start small community action organizations for the purpose of addressing the ABUSE.

Then when the times is right unify nationally.

 

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 18:15 | 3562410 Al Gorerhythm
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That should make Peter Schiff's dad a nation hero. There he is in prison for failing to file tax returns, taking one for the team and here we .....sit.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irwin_Schiff

Revolt!

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:21 | 3561815 Winston Smith 2009
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"Holder just announced a criminal investigation of the leaks."

Absolutely!  All those who leak evidence of criminal government activity will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.  Those who actually conduct the illegal government activities will be:

1. Fired (low level employees only) to become lobbyists

2. Promoted

3. Left alone entirely ("prosecuted to the typical extent of the law" when dealing with governmental crimes)

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:27 | 3562079 Precious
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Up next on the Cartoon Channel.  See Eric Holder Mirandize himself.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:47 | 3561932 Normalcy Bias
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Magic 8-Ball foresees a spike in "karate chop to the back of the neck" and "multiple gunshot wound to the back of the head" suicides in the Washington, DC metro area...

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:14 | 3562017 Buckaroo Banzai
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Don't forget "heart attacks" (aka "Breitbarting"), "one-car accidents", "death by deranged shooter" (aka "getting Chris Kyle-d"), "home invasion killings" and "muggings gone wrong", "jumping from tall buildings", and "suicide by hanging". I'm sure there are more but you get the idea.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:19 | 3562037 DosZap
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Don't forget "heart attacks" (aka "Breitbarting"), "one-car accidents", "death by deranged shooter" (aka "getting Chris Kyle-d"), "home invasion killings" and "muggings gone wrong", "jumping from tall buildings", and "suicide by hanging". I'm sure there are more but you get the idea.

Don't forget Clittons regime,Vince Foster, only dead man,or live man to ever die with blood running UP hill, and with carpet fibers from the grass on his clothing.Gravity just doesn't work that way.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:41 | 3562131 WarPony
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autopsy found blonde hair on under-clothing ... hmmm

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:42 | 3562134 FreedomGuy
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Anyone remember the dead Sec. Of Commerce under the Clintons in an unfortunate plane accident, too? Ron Brown was the name. He was just one of dozens.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 18:11 | 3562392 Going Loco
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And remember poor David Kelly who cut one wrist with a knife on which he left no fingerprints and who shed almost no blood while dying.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:32 | 3562095 ChanceIs
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Vince Foster tells great stories about all of that.  Oh wait.  He is dead.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:07 | 3561755 fightthepower
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Too bad this will go nowhere. 

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:03 | 3561974 Supernova Born
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Watch SNL (and the rest of the Comcast/NBC/Lorne Michael's comedy cartel) go to any length to avoid actual political satire that would put Obama or Holder in a negative light.

Corporate boot-licking "comedy" for the Idiocracy.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 14:58 | 3561706 SilverIsKing
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They left a question off but I guess the IRS would make this determination.  I would have thought this would have been asked as well.

"Which hole would you like us to ram it into?"

 

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:03 | 3561734 Mesquite
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Make work project...

For Proctologists...

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:41 | 3561905 Joe Davola
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It's quite disconcerting when they have a hand on each of your shoulders while checking your prostate.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:01 | 3561723 Saro
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Sometimes government agents ask questions they already know the answers to, just to see if they can catch you in a discrepancy.  Gives them more leverage that way.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:12 | 3561771 tip e. canoe
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especially when you sign on the dotted line and bond yourself to acknowledging their jurisdiction over you.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:08 | 3561993 Shell Game
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@Saro -  Yep...   "Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law."

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:12 | 3561778 XitSam
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Martha Stewart wasn't convicted of insider trading, but of lying to the FBI.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:21 | 3561819 Quantum Nucleonics
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Ditto Scooter Libby, even though they already knew the crime being investigated was committed by someone else.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:58 | 3561966 kchrisc
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Never, ever talk to the gun and badge thugs--ever.

The "Helen Keller" defense. hujel

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 08:58 | 3564249 MrSteve
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repeat and repeat- I dint see nuthin, i dont know nuthin, I dint do nuthin or, the prime best perfect reply:: I dont recall. Corzine asserted "i have no idea where the money is" It worked for him!

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 20:00 | 3567243 kchrisc
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It worked for him because he's one of the "farmers."

It won't work for us because we're one of the farm animals--"shut up and produce, or you're fertilizer."

hujel

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:03 | 3561728 AlaricBalth
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Whenever the government asks you for any information, always assume they have already gathered what they have requested.

A very good federal defense attorney imparted that bit of wisdom to me.

Edit: Saro, you were a liitle quicker on the draw than me. All the best!

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:31 | 3561868 monad
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The IRS is not a government agency. They are a private extortion racket run by the FR crime syndicate with the sanction of congress, chartered under the IMF. All illegal, all the time.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:11 | 3562005 azzhatter
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I've always figured my $5K donation to Ron Paul has me on several lists. Guess what- Fuck You Obama and Holder and all your little brownshirt dicksuckers. You don't scare me at all.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 20:06 | 3562774 A Nanny Moose
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Oh they have it. As with all government activities, they just require that you incriminate yourself

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 14:55 | 3561689 Honey Badger
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We have a new saying, "Fuck you, IRS!"

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 14:58 | 3561705 Cursive
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@Honey Badger

That's new?  Hell, a guy flew a plane into the regional office in Austin, TX a couple or 3 years ago.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:13 | 3561733 knukles
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And lo and be-fucking-hold, the police, fire and EMS were just down the street doing something or other and within 5 minutes (5 minutes, I shit you not) the press knew the pilots name, address, military service, political affiliations, etc., etc., etc.
And nobody was in the IRS office at the time.  (They were all having a picnic on the lawn outside getting a tutorial in auditing conservative groups, lemonade and watermelon eating.

Nah, another fucking coincidence.

But something like this happens.... nobody is responsible.

Nobody is responsible for anything anymore....
Meaning it must be true that its all propaganda and bullshit

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:32 | 3561873 Montgomery Burns
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  "watermelon eating".........Dats Rayciss!!

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 19:03 | 3562590 knukles
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Oh Jesus Christ.....

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:09 | 3561765 bank guy in Brussels
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That was Joe Stack (1956-2010), Joseph Andrew Stack III, a man who seemingly died in the hope of inspiring resistance and revolt to the US regime

Software engineer badly harassed by the IRS and US government and system, then died 18 February 2010, first burning down his own house, then, leaving wife and child behind, crashing a plane into IRS offices.

"Violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer."
- Joe Stack

Stack's dying manifesto was ordered to be pulled down from the web by the US government, though archived and available on the web from others

Article with photo of Joe Stack's burned-down Waco, Texas house

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0218/Who-is-Joe-Stack

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:04 | 3561983 McMolotov
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In death, a member of Project Mayhem has a name.

His name was Joseph Stack.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:21 | 3562048 Buckaroo Banzai
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His name was Joseph Stack.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:23 | 3562055 ParkAveFlasher
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Joseph Stack.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:24 | 3561838 Quantum Nucleonics
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Eh, that saying is as new as the Civil War, when the IRS was created.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 14:57 | 3561692 fonzannoon
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I remember reading during tax time that it might just be easier for the government to do your taxes because they have all your information anyway. This whole IRS gate stuff seems like a quick path from here to there.

 

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:04 | 3561729 Cognitive Dissonance
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Ummmm

There is no need or desire for the IRS to "do" your taxes for you because then the tax system would no longer be "voluntary". As long as you voluntarily "declare" your income and the amount of taxes owed they will continue to claim that the system is voluntary. And because everyone "volunteers" their taxes it is a mandate from and of the people.

<We The People >heart< our voluntary tax system.>

/sarc in case it wasn't obvious

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:08 | 3561760 fonzannoon
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 within the next several years the governemnt will do your taxes for you. They government will financially advise you on exactly what your ratio of U.S stocks and U.S Bonds should be.

crisis and investigations will pop up along the way to pave the way.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:14 | 3561791 Cognitive Dissonance
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Saved from ourselves. Thank God!

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:34 | 3561881 Divided States ...
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fonz, I guess they will definitely make sure you allocated 100% into stocks...for perpetuity.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:41 | 3561902 fonzannoon
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Yup, managed by berkshire hathaway.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:55 | 3561954 Joe Davola
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As I commented the other day, the next step will be your employer will issue the check to the IRS who will then forward on to you your fair share.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:24 | 3562057 Buckaroo Banzai
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Why would they bother? The way the system works now, the IRS already gets paid before you do, and it maintains the illusion that you work for your employer, and not the Federal Government.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:41 | 3562128 MisterMousePotato
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A video of Harry Reid explaining the voluntary nature of taxes. You have to see it to believe it.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6q0slMhDw8

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:16 | 3561797 oddjob
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and yet you continue to disparage people from protecting themselves with PM's.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:25 | 3562069 New_Meat
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and base metals as a part of the precision assemblies are not readily available, neither. - Ned

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:23 | 3561828 adr
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Isn't that what HR Block is for?

You walk in with your EBT card and they find an extra $2500 to put on it.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:23 | 3561813 nobodyimportant
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If you would read U.S. Code Chapter 26 Section 86 you will find only foreign earned  income is taxable.

 

Short cut -- see  Whatistaxed.com

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:25 | 3561841 adr
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Just try that explanation in court. You will of course be right, but the judge won't care about facts, evidence, or the rule of law.

When an innocent person is put on trial by criminals, there can be no justice.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:30 | 3561859 nobodyimportant
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Have you ever been in tax court?  I survived a couple of times with very minor damage mainly by being the squeaky wheel and a pain in the ass.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:41 | 3561903 adr
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I just settled for a couple thousand without going to court. Story lower in the thread.

My dad made it out fine, but it was a pain in the ass. I've had other friends that were not so lucky. One of my college buddies bought a hotel and turned it into a Bed and Breakfast. He didn't know about some odd tax law and was ruined. He ended up settling for 20% of what was owed but he didn't have the money to keep running the operation.

It all depends on the court, your knowledge of the tax code, and whether or not the judge got laid recently.

I've been to traffic court and won six times fighting speeding tickets. I don't know if I want to try my luck with the IRS.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:45 | 3561923 oddjob
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When receiving a speeding ticket, rather than sign it, write that you suspect the officer is impaired.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 19:06 | 3562599 knukles
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You got a death wish for sure....

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:54 | 3561952 DosZap
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I've been to traffic court and won six times fighting speeding tickets. I don't know if I want to try my luck with the IRS.

 

That's why you HIRE an Ex IRS agent that knows how to beat them at the game they used to run.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:35 | 3561883 MachoMan
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I'm pretty sure there's a bit of precedent where the same argument...  failed miserably...  sanctions are rare, but if someone showed up to my court with arguments that had been decided decades ago, they'll get the boot and have to pay the other side's expenses.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:45 | 3561922 nobodyimportant
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Well if you have a court I assume you are a judge.  Federal judge?  And by the way are Federal judges subject to income tax?

If I were in your court I would, as I did, pro se my case and have the pleasure of pointing out that the court is aiding and abetting a criminal organization i.e. the IRS and that you should recuse yourself.

Or I could just call you a fucking crook which in my case nearly got me tossed in the can.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:59 | 3561960 MachoMan
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Good luck getting a federal judge to recuse...  you realize that it's up to the judge to make that determination, right?

Yes, federal judges are subject to income tax...

If you were pro se, then it means I would likely bend over backwards to explain process and procedure...  and, sometimes, make your arguments for you...  of course, you have an inherently losing argument, so...  it would be to no avail...  but, the record would likely be preserved for you to appeal the nonsense and lose again.  (I mean really, arguing the IRS is a criminal organization when the law demands it to exist and have significant power?)[you don't know shit about what the law is].

And no, I'm not a federal judge...

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:24 | 3562013 nobodyimportant
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In reference to machoman:

Please show me where Federal judges are subject to income tax because all my information says they are exempt.

I guess if you are not a judge then your court was mythical - right?  Since you are not really a judge you are just blowing smoke I reckon.

Losing arguments are not losing until they are lost.  IRS does not let losing precedents stop future prosecutions.  By being pro se, one is assumed to be an idiot and has much leeway in their defense.  

On the other hand, if one hires an attorney, they are totally fucked by the system because an attorney is an officer of the court first and foremost -- therefore you are screwed before the trial starts.

And the 'law" demands the IRS to exist?  Lets see -- is that by virture of the 16th amendment?  The amendment that was never ratified?  Oh that law!  Obama is not the only one neglecting the constitutional process I see.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 20:45 | 3562882 Dyhana
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they exempted themselves, i believe, in 1920 by a vote of 7-2, then in 1939 the original ruling was overturned

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 12:25 | 3564551 MachoMan
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The problem with your thesis is that you believe there is some underlying law in your favor...  that is meant to keep you from what is happening to you...  Unfortunately, you are mistaken.  However, you may have success delaying the inevitable by "out working" the civil servants nipping at your heels.  Rest assured, that the truth of the matter you are asserting is not in your favor.  Simply put, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the law.

The other issue is that you are totally mistaken about the role of an attorney...  If I could use your magic loopholes to represent people like you and have them avoid tax liabilities, then do you think I would abstain?  Your position is inconsistent...  on the one hand, I'm a money grubbing whore and, on the other hand, I'm just an officer of the court...  a mere parrot.  Needless to say, if your thesis is true, then every attorney in the world would be conjuring up clients to jump through the loophole...  because they could retire off the money.  Your bias has tarnished your thesis...  The client pays the attorney's bills, not the court.  Further, if the client pays too much for the service provided or isn't pleased with the service, then he'll go somewhere else...

PS, as noted by the person above that responded to you, the entirety of your thesis surrounds OVERTURNED LAW...  at one time, these arguments might have been correct...  unfortunately, the loopholes have been sealed.  Now you're in the position of getting slapped with a frivolous suit...  and this is why attorneys won't argue it...  not because of some higher loyalty to the court.  Again, your bias tarnishes your thesis.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:37 | 3561895 tip e. canoe
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is this why the IRS is domiciled in Puerto Rico?

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 16:29 | 3562084 Buckaroo Banzai
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Bingo. If Puerto Rico ever became a state, they would have to move. Which is why it won't happen.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:49 | 3561935 DosZap
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CD

There is no need or desire for the IRS to "do" your taxes for you because then the tax system would no longer be "voluntary". As long as you voluntarily "declare" your income and the amount of taxes owed they will continue to claim that the system is voluntary. And because everyone "volunteers" their taxes it is a mandate from and of the people.

That is not what Voluntary means to them.To them it means you GET to submit the information w/out issues, as long as you SUBMIT it.And submit it you will if you work for anyone but yourself,and leave no paper trails.

Make no mistake there is nothing Voluntary about it.

This year my preaparer filed for me,and said I was not allowed to any longer,unless it was EZ.ALL electronic and sent by them,new .goober rules.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:05 | 3561744 Doctor of Reality
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I used to care, but I don't now. I'm going Galt. I'm too young to leave the medical profession, but I'm cutting my costs to the bone. Why hire a 20 something young girl and MAYBE break even, while working 10 hours EXTRA per week to pay her... when I can just cut the need for her labor by taking more cash patients than complicated medical insurance plans? 

I give up IRS. You win! And so, I'll lessen my workload and enjoy life with a few less material perks. Being a slave to the medical system resulted in one divorce, maybe going Galt a little will prevent a 2nd? 

I'm taking my sons FISHING this summer!

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:19 | 3561806 AynRandFan
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I did a similar thing with my law practice when I got tired of constantly changing payroll tax rules, and one bad year my secretary made more than me.  My life got much better too when I stopped taking cases that exposed me to the drama of courtroom hearings in front of an idiot judge.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:23 | 3561831 azzhatter
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You'll get used to it. I went from paying $100K annually in taxes to $4K, enjoying my life a lot more. Fuck 'em. I no longer wish to be part of their games.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 15:26 | 3561843 Henry Hub
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***Why hire a 20 something young girl***

 

Hum, I can think of a few positions I'd like to try her in.

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