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The Complete Benghazi Files: White House Releases 100 Pages Of Benghazi Emails
Moments ago, as the WSJ reported that "the White House succumbed to mounting pressure Wednesday and decided to publicly release the chain of administration emails surrounding the controversial Benghazi talking points. The move came a week after public interest in last year's terror attack unexpectedly rebounded with testimony by three State Department employees that reopened lingering questions about the assault. The documents were being released late Wednesday afternoon. While many of the emails have already leaked out, the release of the complete set of communications paints a fuller picture of an administration struggling with how much to disclose about an attack that eight months later remains a focus of partisan division."
Courtesy of CNN, the full 100 page pdf of all alleged Benghazi emails is enclosed below (pdf link).
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"Partisan division." What bullshit.
"Complete"?
That is a riot.
Oh yes, I'm SURE it's complete.
That is, if Holder's testimony can be considered "full and complete", then THIS can.
You're not skeptical, are you?
Edit: just took a quick look, and the amount of "redacted" stuff exceeds the "released" stuff. Great transparency, Chief! (/sarc off)
"National Security." </Jedi mind trick>
100 pages of talking point revisions. This is like releasing a 1000 page report that says they don't know who killed Kennedy.
That, with Holder's bullshit 'testimony' today. What a bunch of crap. They're just laughing at all this because their base is so FUCKING stupid they'll support Obama even if he walked out in front of the White House and mowed down a bunch of school kids with an AK-47.
"It's Bush's fault! The stress caused by the Republicans! It's a lynching! Racism! Religionism! Making fun of my Dear Leader-ism!"
Fuck all this shit.
Am I crazy, or does this omit Sept 11th - Sept 13th? I only saw Sept 14+
Shortage of ink due to Fed Printing.
One of the news channels (not MSM but I don't remember which one) already picked up on the releases having been scrubbed and redacted.
Gee, thanks for the partial semi-limited hangout.
Obama has recused himself from national defense issues.
(Eric Holder's idea)
The acting secretary of state and the acting president of the United States have resigned. Obama and Hilary are now in charge.
They missed the sections on gun running...
the pricks destroyed one of the three true democratic governments on the planet because gadaffi's dinar was going to fuck with the zio's fiat. now they're whining about some fratboy ambassador's death? what kid touching scandal are they covering up?
When was Libya a State with a "true democratic government"?
http://rense.com/general95/theam.htm
That's PR, and doesn't address the address the issue of democracy.
Rule of Law vs Rule of Man - When one is free to rape, pillage, plunder, and murder with impunity there is no Rule of Law and any associated government is illegitimate.
Who cares if they get 4G Obama phones and NINJA loans at 0% courtesy of Uncles Ben & Muammar? By that logic- if Barry just gave the uppity serfs more free shit everything would be cool...
sequester of course
@ ACP
"Just par for the course."
TADA, the most transparent administration in history.
Yea, a spontaneous protest against an anti-muslim no-name movie that no one has seen makes so much more sense than an attack of convenience taking place on the 11th anniversary of the biggest 'terrorist attack'* in America's history.
They're transparently stupid and manipulative. At least the MSM isn't amazed at how they're lied to like they were when they referred to Clinton's 'spin'.
* In quotes because of the question of who caused this. Al-Qaeda desires and receives credit for this act in the minds of most people.
Rahm, good seeing you about these parts!
Chicago getting old? :P
Stevens and the other three Obama left behind to be murdered were all CIA. Shit may start to get real. this is THE scandal. The others are a smokescreen.
Obama then went to the UN and gave a speech about the fake youtube video and lieka good islamic he bowed to Allah in front of the UN. Evil fraud.
BTW - does the word islam and muslim set off the Swiss alarm on ZH? I would not want to offed the Swiss govt even though the vast majority of Swiss do not want that Mohammeden "plague" in Switzerland.
THAT is a good question, Freddie!
Muslim, Islam, Jihadist, Mohammadoid. We'll soon see.
Bullshit, nobody died in that Benghazi incident. Everything was Hollywood a la Aurora shooting, Sandy Hook, Boston etc etc. Or do you forget (or don't know) that there is no US Embassy, Consulate, Diplomatic mission or whatnot in Benghazi. Also the ambassador was quietly "buried" a short 3 weeks after the incident (was he moved to the US in a rowing boat)?.
Btw, your fixation with Islam and Islamic danger is tiresome and baseless.
Encroaching Darkness: ". . . just took a quick look, and the amount of "redacted" stuff exceeds the "released" stuff. Great transparency, Chief! "
Well the federal government did recently buy up 3 billion bottles of WhiteOut . . . . they had to target somthing with it.
There seems to be 18 minutes missing.
Its the same talking points for 20+ pages! Ridiculous.
Hey look at that distraction over there.
Redact everything I say or write about Mao Homeboy.
Syria completly offline again
latest News:
http://tersee.com/#q=syria&t=text
So many blank pages...they hit "Tab" too much or something.
After reading the first few pages (Pg 6), I realized the administration and the CIA are more scared of lawyers ("..and future prosecutions...") than they are the fucking TERRORISTS that are killing US Ambassadors and support staff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This US Ambassador and his support staff who were left behind by oabam to be MURDERED were all CIA. Stevens was CIA. He was there for the gun running operation. He came into Libya on the ship running guns.
Obama abandonded them then lied about it and lied about his gun running operation. The GOP better have the guts to tell people exactly what was going on.. Stop lying to us!
I wouldn't put much faith in the current crop of GOPers. They were told they had to cater to hispanics to win elections by the media, they started to pander. They were told they needed to quit being extremist and must agree to little spending cuts and tax hikes, they go along. Some are now warning the gop to be moderate and not over reach on these scandals. They will probably oblige.
Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, and a few others may put up a fight. But they are outnumbered by both parties.
Err, um...Tyler? You already did Humpday Humor.
But hey, I'll take a twofer on Humpday.
IndyPat: "Err, um...Tyler? You already did Humpday Humor. But hey, I'll take a twofer on Humpday."
Well the American people are definitely getting humped for sure.
Like....ummmm...Dude!!!!
Like...ahhhhh....I...am a member of the public......and I have never lost interest in the 100 emails that went back and forth between JPM - Jon Corzine - MF Global.
Memo to John Boehner:
While you are at it, you should get the JPM/MF Global emails. Oh. And the Holder/Breuer correspondence file between DOJ and HSBC regarding drug money laundring.
Sept. 11 till now... 8 months... these are the completely untouched files... right?
There is no way 100 pages is "COMPLETE". There were tens of thousands of pages exchanged on this tragecy I am sure.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48-tcRiBNj4
We want more!
They redacted nearly ALL of the juicy information and left us with a bunch of worthless fucking triplicate forms.
Nooooo, there's no cover up, really!!!
Fucking banker stooge syphellitic pile licking treasonous cocksuckers...
That the public tolerates this sack of shit to parade around acting as president is beyond me.
He did not qualify to run and idiots voted for him anyway--not that the other idiot would have been much different.
<redacted>
+ (redacted) due to National Security concerns.
<redacted>
(soez I don't get booted offa ZeroHedge)
I guess the Zionists had enough of Obamas shit. Unwilling to wage war on Iran here comes Obama-Gate.
"If he wont escalate, then we must watergate''
Nothing makes sense except insanity.
Someone started a "Name that Gate" constest. I have a few ideas.
Trifecta Gate - I am not sure I can claim originality with that.
Hat Track Gate - (I am sure that some idiot Republican will goof to the press and say: 'We are going for the hat trick on this one.' You know - women can't get pregnant from "real rape" because ther amygdala prevents conception.)
Ecumenical Gate - All are welcome.
Eclectic Gate - Same as above but with a little more zing.
Ollie Ollie In Come Free Gate - Y'all scandals can come out of hiding now.
Innumerable Gate - Just how many scandals are there out there?
I am just getting warmed up with this.
YesWecanGate
ForwardGate
EvenWorseThanBushGate
BrooklynBridgeGate Because if you believe that this is all there is or if they'll ever release meaningful documents, there's a bridge I'd like to sell you.
Bloviategate.
Can they move any more air without saying anything?
ProtectFutureQueenHillaryGate? mmmm, no, too long...
Rodham'sFollyGate?
NoQuestionsAllowedGate?
FullFaithandCreditGate?
TrustCollapseGate?
or perhaps, simply ...
LiesGate?
White-OutHouseGate
Cancel My Subscription to the Resurrection Gate
Mr. Mojo Rising Gate
Nation Sack Gate - Keeping with that Voo Doo theme
Gris Gris on My Doorstep Gate
They Left Em Behind To Be Murdered Gate
F politics! He left them there to be murdered. Then he lied about it. It was a gun running operation. MF'ers.
I have had that thought several times. I have never been in the militery, but as a civilian one can't help but absorb the culture. In some instances you can be shot for sleeping while on guard. Lives depend on it. There is this tradition about bringing out your dead comrades, even though it can slow you down and you might get killed as well. I think the thought is that soldiers under fire really are in it together if one of them runs they can all get killed. So you bring out the dead soldier - because maybe he isn't dead, and if you don't bring him out - just say what the hell - then you have started down that slippery slope away from solidarity and into every man for himself.
So yes - leaving them there to be murdered IS A VERY BIG DEAL. I don't care whether you are liberal or conservative. The rules of the jungle apply when the lead is flying and it is not given to humans to write them. There is planty of room to argue about whether we should have had a mission in Benghazi. But when our soldiers are under fire, politics don't even enter the picture.
From a different POV, if US senior management abandons its soldiers while under fire, do you think that they will give you and me as schmuck citizens the least consideration as to our rights or human dignity? Did youvote for me?? That's all. Give to my campaign?
I think that we will find that it was a gun running operation. Why isn't that in the press? Why was there a separate compound? So we really giving Al Quaeda guns to overthrow Gaddafi. Lovely. I think that when it comes to Gaddafi, we may find out that the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
ChanceIs - you do know that Benghazi was a CIA outpost, right? The armed forces maybe never leaves a comrad behind if they can help it. But you do remember what the government does with spies and undercover agents, right? If you get caught, we will deny any knowledge of you. They don't just do that in movies.
The President is the head over the CIA as well as the Commander in Chief of the military. When wearing the CIA hat, he has to abide by spook rules, not Armed Forces rules. I'm not trying to be funny here. Spy work is not all flowers and puppies. And any President has to weigh the need for secrecy in the spy world against the desire of the public to be informed.
Most CIA / spy stuff never makes it into U.S. news. It is foolish to expect it to be otherwise. No good can ever come from publicizing undercover operations.
Obfuscategate.
Intimigate
obfuscategate
+1
I didn't renew before I posted. Big mistake on this website.
Great minds and all I suppose. We'll go with that.
I like Hat trick gate, but the word around the campfire is that there's still a fourth turd waiting to splash, so I think it may be short lived.
Let me circulate this the every member of ZH for buy in first, though.
We may need to tweak it. State may not be comfortable with the Canadian connotations of that label. I'll also loop in CIA, DHS, the NHL, the Olympic committee and the dog catcher for guidance.
Slaughtergate
It was used in 2012 after the attack but like the story, never got traction
The WH is just proving why the AG took corrrespondence from the AP instead of asking for it. Asking for permission is for suckers and taxpayers resulting in blank pages.
Page 101 contains the "Missing 18 Minutes" of e-mails...
TOP SECRET/NOPORN
No need to read it. It is all bullshit.
I bet this has absolutely nothing to do with MSNBC turning on the Oreo now after the rest of the press got on his case concerning the talking points for Benghazi and leaked emails.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/05/15/ABC-CNN-Call-For-Whit...
***UPDATE: NBC's senior White House correspondent joined the chorus Wednesday. On his MSNBC show, "The Daily Rundown," Chuck Todd looked into the camera and said, "Attention White House: Release all the emails." The headline has been updated to add NBC.Assuming they are the ones who leaked to CNN an email written by Ben Rhoades (a Deputy National Security Advisor close to the President), the White House might have been too clever by half Tuesday. An act that was obviously meant to pour water on the Benghazi fire started by an ABC News report, has only ended up being gasoline. Now both CNN and ABC have joined conservative media in calling for the White House to release all the emails surrounding the editing of the CIA talking points.
I think Obama is going to get the slow drip torture from CIA.
Stevens was CIA and so were the three other guys MUDERED with him that night in Benghazi. Obama left them there to die and then lied about it and lied about this gun running operation.
I am sure the intel people and Pentagon are furious.
I am not sure I believe any of the stuff here but this White House Insider at Ulsterman is supposedly some Dem southerner who knows the Clintons and is connect with the Dems high up.
http://theulstermanreport.com/2013/05/13/white-house-insider-for-the-fir...
My guess is people at CIA, State Department and the Pentagon know Obama will abandon any of them to be murdered any where in the world. You can f*** with anything except the machine or bureaucracy then it bits back hard.
My guess is a lot of people are not happy that Obama abandoned Steves and the other 3 CIA agents to be murdered that night. You supposedly had at least one general and or admiral relieved from command on the spot that night who wanted to help these people.
Freddie, serious question: what is your information that makes you think the State Department and/or the White House knew about the attack early enough in the attack that they could have actually saved anybody's life? Remember, they would have had to find Stevens first before they could rescue him - assuming that they actually could have gotten there before he was killed.
Secondly, had they actually sent a rescue squad, it is highly likely that more American lives would have been lost. Why is losing more than four American lives preferably to only losing four?
Thirdly, do you really think those in the Intelligence Community are angry with a President who failed to tell details to the general public about an on-going undercover operation?
The two security guys on the roof were killed 6+ hours later during the SECOND attack. Plenty of time for an extraction from either the Tripoli SOF team or the Signella boys to fly in and do a roof extraction in the 4-hr flight time window. Neither option puts more boots on the ground.
Assuming we got someone in there to do the roof extraction according to the time schedule you present, how does that help Stevens? He had already been removed from the Embassy. Roof extraction wouldn't work for him.
As ugly as it sounds, no one is going to risk further lives by trying to rescue security guys. The object of attention was Stevens, and nobody could say for certain where he was at any given time after he left the Embassy. Why risk further lives in pursuit of an uncertain outcome?
And boots on the ground was not my issue. Risking further lives was. And that happens when we put more of our folks at the site of the attack, regardless of how they get there. Roof extractions invite the shooting down of helicopters - either on the way in or on the way out.
Decisions often must be made in the absence of perfect information. Sometimes we make conservative choices because of this.
We can be confident, dear brethren, that the e-mails will at least confirm this:
To such illustrious North African legends as:
Rommel - The Desert Fox and Montgomery of El Alamein we can now, in this generation, proudly add:
Hillary - The Bimbo Of Benghazi.
Should have figured a black president would morph this country into a banana republic.
Be nice if he would keep his fucking feet off our furniture!
Ah, no biggie. Bush spit tobacco juice all over the carpet.
It's a cultural thing I'm sure.
Does anyone think that if they had a photo of Obama acting in the crime of the century, anything would be done about it? This is about politics and affirmative action. The politics assure that regardless of how bad the behavior was, as long as the agenda is advanced, all will be swept under the rug. The bonus is the affirmative action line, where even if it was wrong or even illegal, given the unfair treatment minorities have in many cases received in history, allowances muct be made. Kind of like the Black Panthers intimidating voters was "overlooked" out of consideration of past injustices. Every group has used historical events to justify current behavior....unless we are talking about moral hazards. This is where they draw the line. We must assume innocence over guilt in every case except if you are a white male or are pointing out how the moral hazard of rewarding bad behaviour creates more bad behavior. Makes you wonder what to expect next. More bad behavior?
Wow... CNN is getting a boost to it's credability. Wonder why? Hint: Stewart's his name, humor is his game (can't hurt the bottom line too much).
Even Petronas knew to used a shared account and never send sensitive documentation via email. If you're using email, you're already compromised.
AHEM - what channel did wikileaks come from? Sure as shit wasn't email (hint hint dedicated channel, why the fuck would you use paper when you've hardened channels? What's the fucking POINT of INTEL without cable), and you can up that 100% to this level of the chain, wikileaks was the mom and pop stuff >1,000,000 Americans have access to. But the modern US government still works on teletext faxes and paperwork. I skimmed through, I could even notice the hack-job done on some of the pages without bothering to run forensics. You need proof that Benghazi was wired in with cable / decent satellite connection? EvE player, "Vile Rat" was playing ONLINE in EvE when the shit went down, and people saved his chat-logs. He was part of the IT support attached there.
Diplomat Killed in Libya Told Fellow Gamers: Hope I ‘Don’t Die Tonight’ [Wired]
You might not need bandwidth to send faxes, but you sure do need it to fly your spaceship around.
BUT FAXES.
This is fucking hilarious Security Theatre. They have TOTAL contempt for the populace at this point, and I do mean all of them. Hint: this picture was staged.
In response to reports that the Federal government may be spying on private citizens’ electronic communications, the American Civil Liberties Union decided to get to the bottom of the story by filing a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request.
And their request didn’t go unnoticed. Oh, they got a response alright — but probably not what they were expecting.
Here, let’s play a game. After reading through the following FOIA request, head on over to the comments section and tell us know how many pages of actual information you count. [source May 13th 2013]
Spoiler: THEY GOT 15 PAGES OF REDACTED BLACK. It was a MASSIVE FUCK YOU. Same deal with a recent FOIA request on NY transport disaster plans over the hurricane: 3 1/2 pages of REDACTED BLACK.
But yeah, you gonna get the WikileaksTM Truth Pages Released about this scandal. 'MURICA.
Good job America.
The farmer do love his sheep..until one bites or kicks him, then we have lamb chops for dinner. WE should all just be very quite and passive as to not draw the farmer's attention, lest we too end up in the soup du jour.
I think they are watching me....
No Baaa here, just cheesy rock. Meh, June. Never ask someone to sing then don't like their song.
The fallacy that ZH could carry enough weight to even dent this level of bullshit is risible. Oh, and I was told I was going to get eaten a while back, it tends to make you sit and wonder. (Prometheus: his liver eaten each night by an eagle; ZH, does the same, but through booze).
Good stuff. Keep it coming
You want more?
This rule implements DoD regulations and legislation concerning restriction on direct participation by DoD personnel. It provides specific policy direction and assigns responsibilities with respect to DoD support provided to Federal, State, and local civilian law enforcement agencies, including responses to civil disturbances...
The President is authorized by the Constitution and laws of the United States to employ the Armed Forces of the United States to suppress insurrections, rebellions, and domestic violence under various conditions and circumstances. Planning and preparedness by the Federal Government, including the Department of Defense, for civil disturbances is important due to the potential severity of the consequences of such events for the Nation and the population. The employment of Federal military forces to control civil disturbances shall only occur in a specified civil jurisdiction under specific circumstances as authorized by the President, normally through issuance of an Executive order or other Presidential directive authorizing and directing the Secretary of Defense to provide for the restoration of law and order in a specific State or locality.[source]
Now, the sources for this gem are vapid conspiracy theory sites. However, they are reporting actual legislation. Hint: look up your laws. I don't think you've been out of crisis mode since Carter. Might want to look into the Patriot Act as well.
Disclaimer: I have no illusions that any other government in the world (barring the charming nation of Iceland) don't have equally draconian laws. The point is simply this: any and all governments (and for that matter, Corporations and other financial entities) should benefit the society they function in. No-one cares if you take a cut, as long as the society in general improves, because you live in your own shit, you muppets. If you operate in a society, you should benefit it, otherwise you'll spend more in repressive $ holding onto it, and killing off people. Yes, the Congo is such a good model for long term growth, even with De Beers manufacturing a vapid, silly and downright stupid fashion for diamonds.
This is the Golden Mean of Empire. Every conquered citizen in the Roman Empire lusted after citizenship and wanted to travel to Rome (hint: that's why Paul gave it up, at least tokenly for a trial, it was a big deal), because it was an aspirational model. And guess what? You all went full retard and broke it, yo. YOLO! Fucking cunts. Not only have you drawn forth the worst possible in the species (Branding = fundamental changing of the mind, it's easily proven, and you know it), you've poisoned the world and won't admit it, and don't have the balls to clean it up. It's called M.A.D. for a reason. You've also managed to pervert the entire point of being human into some kind of twisted acting self-reflexive pattern where the "public" and "private" are both twisted into a conformist hierarchal power based Munch scream, peppered with self-policing language and Corporate BlinkersTM and where 25% of your population is mentally broken. #loosingyourhumanity. And you add an oppressive form of "G-O-D" on the top as a cherry! Genius!
People think the current Empire is crap. That's your real issue. And you even sit there and train people who admit to child pedophilia, kidnapping and raping young boys and suck it up in the name of "politics" in your "military" [Vice - 3 days ago, watch it and weep Americans, your tax dollars at work]. Empire no longer even has the willpower to kill the evil fuckers and start afresh. Rome had no such "moral compunction", and its conquered populations actually blossomed.
I cannot believe I have to engage with this mess. If you wanted a better advertisement for "YOLO KILL US PLX" you couldn't have done better.
Humanity 2013: The "we're really not worth saving" model. Hipsters, you can fuck off as well. As for any and all fundamentalists of any Religion? Yeaaaah. Not a good look for 4/3/2/1,000 years of supposed improvement. "I like electricity but think this Book is all that there is". Nope, not human, mimetic organic robot alert, either jump start it or burn it with fire.
Evolve or die. You're not choosing wisely here. As for the 2.0's, I know you're skating the ice trying to avoid being seen, but come on; and the Others? Never I have I been so unimpressed by so many supposed "powers" in once place. FUBAR. Total lack of ambition by all [and that's the joke].
/rant off
Posting pablum for the public - a never ending story...
It was a spontaneous attack, yet we warned them about it a day before.
Too funny.
Still a nothingburger. They mislabeled it. They hid the severity of the attack. They did it for political reasons.
The reason the John McCains of the world want this to be well-planned attack by al Qaeda is that they've already authorized military action anywhere on the globe to catch them. That way they can backdoor into a military occupation of Libya. And find a post hoc justification for an illegal war. And those of you right wing fucks who keep calling this a scandal, keep dragging us deeper and deeper down the abyss. So please, kindly pull your collective heads out of John McCain and Lindsey Graham's asses and pay attention.
They lied to the American people to win an election you stupid fuck.
Romney lost because of this? Too funny.
Romney lost because he didn't spend as much.
Don't get cocky, kid.
Double post
Romney lost because he alienated the conservatives and the Ron Paul supporters.
Or...Romney lost because he's Romney.
You nailed it. Romney lost because he's Romney and Romney is an A-hole.
He never had me, but he really showed his true colors in the debate when guns came up. I think it was the second one. He went right along with the Presidents premise that guns are a tradition and its about hunting.
They are the same.
The election has been over long enough for the truth to have been established. And the truth is, Romney lost because he made it clear that if Israel wanted to go to war with Iran, the United States of America would go right along with Netanyahu. And for enough Americans, that was just one war too many.
And, btw, that is why we have Obama as president – because he was a vote against funding the war in Iraq where his two primary opponents, namely McCain and Hillary, had their finger on the button.
And that’s the exact truth.
If you want to say Romney lost because he is a dickweed, 47%er comment, looks like a used car salesman, he's rich, or a bunch of other dumbass reasons I would have just passed your comment over. But to say that Romney's policies regarding Israel is what got every welfare recipient out to vote is " the exact truth".
BAHAHAHA you fucking out of touch fool.
You also had massive voter fraud and late night voting in swing states. Romney probably won OH, WS, MI, VA and he defeinitely won Florida. The GOP were cowards to allow this but they still have that 1981 consent decree allowing Dem vote theft hanging over their head.
Romney used the same after trhe polls closed vote theft in big cities - against Santorum in MI, OH, WS and one or two other states.
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2013/05/15/reports-irs-spared-lib...
Do you recall all the talk about Romney's tax records in the elections? Stupid assholes like you are ruining this country by giving a pass to this kind of tyranny.
It's dickless illiterates like you that devalue the words used to describe actual "tyranny" that allow them to get away with it. No one can be outraged because you're constantly outraged by things that don't matter.
In case you need a refresher: the IRS in itself is tyrannical. Being outraged that they audited a political group because they applied for a tax exemption, a little misplaced given that the fact they force you to self-incriminate yourself via the audit is the real tyranny.
Don't think for a second you can intimidate me. You and the group of sycophants that continue to cover for Obamao will find out to your own detriment someday when Obamao turns on you.
I'm a libertarian and I've never voted in my life.
But continue to get pissed off about it, I'm sure the way to turn this country around is through righteous indignation about someone in the government lying to you.
You are not a libertarian. To call this simply a lie by someone in government when there are three serious and separate ongoing scandals is laughable. The ongoing cover up of Benghazi where four Americans were killed, the wire tapping of the associated press in at least 20 instances, and now having people at the IRS work toward political ends in nearly 500 cases is not something libertarians would advocate.
Umm... I get what @Catullus is saying, why don't you? My assumption is that you did not read his entry with the intention to consider and understand, and then agree or disagree; no, you read and emotionally reacted to the first thought that formed itself in your mind when you looked at the words therein.
He is saying that these things are trivial distractions in light of the broader injustice and illegality that permeates our government and society. Not fodder for the CNBC crowd, perhaps, but certainly within the bounds of the average ZH mind, no?
Edit: double+ good Catullus, it is true that if the loudest voices of reason and alarm were those rational and honest enough to frame the discussion in the broadest and least omissive way, we might be in a lot better shape today as a country.
I'm sick of this shit where every criminal act is excused because of politics. The violence could have been avoided in multiple ways, but regardless of "policy" this event was caused by political ass saving fools that would do the same to any of us, any day of the week, for simple convenience. I could care less about McCains agenda. I care about the fact that our government has reached the point where they don't even see the need to fake that they don't give a shit about any of us. This is exactly like the Union mentality where their agendas have lead to countless people losing their jobs and all they do is croon to those left about how fucking caring they are. None of these assholes gives a shit about anyone but themselves and when we give them our money to look after our interests they obviously see us for the fools we are and treat us accordingly.
The criminal act was the CIA led coup in Libya. The fact that they lied about who and why they were attacked seems pretty irrelevant.
Everybody lies, at least occasionally. And maybe you are right that the lie doesn't matter relative to the actual incident, but it does royally piss me off that they will continue to lie even when they have been caught. They don't care that we know they are lying and neither do you apparently. But then I guess you feel your role here is not to point out the failings of our leaders, rather to point out our failings and possibly even your own.
Totally agree. It was a CIA gun running operation too and Stevens was CIA along with the other three. Obama abandonded them and they were murdered. This is what will turn the CIA (if they have any guts) against Obama. Then Obama lied and covered up the attack plus the gun running operation.
The Republicans know everything that happened - the question is will they have the guts to get it all in the open.
Tyranny is here. Do not for a moment think it's not. Obama blowing his bs at Ohio State commencment is your signal.
ref: "Richard Barlow"
just take a minute to read, and say we're not fucked!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Barlow
Note: it seems every newly elected president is now entitled to more misfeasance and egregious misdeeds than the former, as the dems' holder points/refers to gonzalez as a vacuity counterpoint,... such illogical prescient!
forward on onward, comrades...
I'll be very surprised if anything significant comes from this, though I certainly hope so. There is no free, intelligent mainstream press and the sheeple wouldnt pay attention to it if there was. (Damned, Ive become cynical.)
Recall back when it was discovered that there were those in the Clinton administration responsible for passing on extremely sensitive information on weapons technology - including nuclear missile techology - to China ? It hit the fan on the weekend and I thought the news networks & newspapers would be covering it like crazy on Monday.
Monday came . . . . and absolutely nothing. ---- Just another step taken to weaken and undermine America, in long term Fabian Socialist/Fascist fashion. - - -All with the aim of bringing about the New World Order.
These people are arrogant beyond belief, however.
And over reaching arrogance is something 'the angels' (or whatever one calls the Greater Universe) . . . . does not tolerate.
Squirrel!
Too bad they did not use Sheila Bair's black marker to do the redaction!
They begin 9/14? No e-mails on 9/11, 9/12, 9/13? Is that credible?
All great narratives require time to compose. CYAs of this magnitude apparently take 3 days
The key to Spectaclegate: Congress and therefore the press is only asking for the emails about the TP....talking points. No one has thought (!) to ask about any communications about WHAT THE FUCK ACTUALLY HAPPENED.
They only care about whether someone in a staged TV environment had their pablum properly canned.
No one in this Spectaclegate gives a rat's ass about the dead. Or the country. If they did, wouldn't they ask?
You hit the nail on the head there Jim. Who cares about the debate on the cover story? What about the 100 pages on what really went down?
and another thing if they can make Ben Ghazi's emails public they can make yours public too!
I guess this is what too many people in government today do with their time. Telling the known facts (subject to national security interests) is pretty simple, and doesn't require the review of hundreds of people. Shit happens, and there's no reason to "posture" the news. Instead learn from the mistakes and don't let it happen again.
The United States and the Saudis are the biggest terrorists in the world period. Oh wait, aren't they "allies" too?
If you call the people who killed 4 Americans terrorists..... then how do you send them money and weapons and advisors in syria. that is why you push the movie story... otherwise supplying your enemy/terrorists is TREASON..... which Obama is guilty of... plain and simple.