The Holder - Issa Smackdown

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This was not your grandfather's hearing. The air was thick with partisanship already but when Darrell Issa began by playing audio of Thomas Perez, assistant attorney general for civil rights and President Barack Obama's nominee to become the next Secretary of Labor, in which he confirms that he is arranging for details relating to the St. Paul case not to be disclosed. "Do you think it's appropriate for someone to -- at a federal level -- to try to keep information out in order to disguise what's actually going on?" Issa asked. "There are a whole variety of reasons why people, why we as a government and Justice Department, decide not to become involved in qui tam cases," Holder replied. Holder and Issa went back and forth until Holder lost it... "It is inappropriate and too consistent with the way in which you conduct yourself as a member of Congress," Holder said. "It is unacceptable. It is shameful."


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Wed, 05/15/2013 - 18:49 | 3566904 no life
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He's on the team though, I mean, come on..

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 18:54 | 3566924 Pinto Currency
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Issa is shameful.

And Holder who ran 1,500 AR-15s to Mexican drug gangs is...?

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 18:58 | 3566933 knukles
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Is that like inappropriate rearranging your nutsack under the table when you think nobody else is watching?


Wed, 05/15/2013 - 19:10 | 3567013 Xibalba
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all i hear is chimptalk

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 19:41 | 3567149 The Thunder Child
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One big criminal enterprise....

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 19:53 | 3567208 Pure Evil
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It does kinda remind you of a bunch of monkeys all throwing feces at each other.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 01:57 | 3568017 Boris Alatovkrap
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Or just feces.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 06:16 | 3568147 GetZeeGold
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I find you shameful sir........even the mafia has a code of conduct.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 20:25 | 3567321 1100-TACTICAL-12
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I had both my ear's removed, there is an 100% chance I'll be exposed to this dog & pony bullshit in the future..

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 21:40 | 3567531 max2205
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Fuck you in the ear Eric. ...dickface

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 19:10 | 3567014 ghandi
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The arrogance of this mutherfucker!


Did anyone else catch this shit?

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 19:19 | 3567058 ArkansasAngie
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Holder's use Washington Mumbai jumb of not answering the f'ing question is unacceptable.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 22:33 | 3567688 Jacque Itch
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Transparency, bitchez!

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 19:38 | 3567131 toys for tits
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Eric Holder - "I'll look at the request [subpoena] and try to be as responsive as I can."

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 19:48 | 3567180 steelhead23
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Yes Toys, don't you get the feeling that that "look at the request" will take place in a stall of the DOJ men's room and the result will be a resounding ker-flush!

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 20:04 | 3567256 toys for tits
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Like he hasn't already done that. Subpoenas from congress have no meaning anymore.

You know he's just toying with them for the power play when he says that he hasn't seen it.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 07:29 | 3568226 ATM
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Now we can move on to the real issue. Issa is obviously a racist.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 20:55 | 3567400 El Oregonian
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Hey Eric! Respond to this you prick-licking pervert! We're going to RAM that Benghazi subpoena so far up your ass that you'll be using it as dental-floss for weeks!

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 21:47 | 3567548 Chupacabra-322
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This Criminal needs to be hung upside down, have his throat sliced from ear to ear in front of his other Criminal cohorts & as they watch him drown in his own blood as they wait for the same outcome.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 23:02 | 3567755 DeadFred
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My latest theory is that IRS-gate and AP-gate are due to Benghazi and to a lesser degree on letting go the connected Saudi suspect from first Boston bombing. The traction in both those cases came from whistle blowers and leaks to the press. Then strangely just days later we get the Feds confessing that they have been blatantly abusing their power. "Give us grief and you'll get audited. Leak something to the press and we'll get your phone number or worse. When NOTHING happens to them for the abuses it will have a chilling effect on people who contemplate ratting the regime out. This is a Chicago thug power demonstation like finding a horse head in bed with you. Remember that the feds volunteered the info on what they were doing in both cases.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 08:22 | 3568340 francis_the_won...
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"Eric Holder - "I'll look at the request [subpoena] and try to be as responsive as I can.",

Yeah, a couple of things stand out about Holder's reply.  1.  The obvious disdain he implies by treating a congressional subpoena (which is an order) like it is a polite request that he may or may not deem worthy of his attention.  2.  Holder indicates that he hadn't even bothered to read said subpoena, which implies either (another) pass-the-buck lie, or a complete lack of control over his department.

I happen to live just outside of Issa's district, and find him to be a typical political scumbag locally, but I certainly am hoping he actually has some teeth this time.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 18:56 | 3566934 DoChenRollingBearing
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Eric "Place" Holder is without doubt the worst AG we have ever had, and now he is in the running with Jon Corzine to win the award "The Biggest P.O.S. on Planet Earth."

So many candidates from this Administration...

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 19:11 | 3567018 Common_Cents22
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Wiener/Holder 2016

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 19:15 | 3567046 DoChenRollingBearing
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Holder/Weiner 2016 sounds just as good...

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 19:19 | 3567060 whisperin
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That does sound a little better than Weiner/Holder 2016 but not by much!!!

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 19:22 | 3567073 DoChenRollingBearing
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The key word is "sounds"...

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 19:49 | 3567185 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Yes, but how does it feel ? That's important too.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 19:51 | 3567200 DoChenRollingBearing
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Good point there.  We'll have to work that one...

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 21:51 | 3567558 andrewp111
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I'd like to see Holder holding Weiner's weiner.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 07:14 | 3568209 novanglus
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Hold her weiner?  Hey, if you're into that kind of thing, who am I to criticize? :-)

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 19:14 | 3567038 James_Cole
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The worst AG, no. Precedents set (of which he does have some) are more important than continued. He is up there though.

Partisan tools will of course claim him the worst but that's ignoring history. Ignoring history is very popular on here though.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 19:18 | 3567051 DoChenRollingBearing
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Pray tell us who is worse.  Back up any candidates with logic.

Bwahahahahahahaha!  Stepped in that James_Cole, squish!!

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 20:04 | 3567064 Bay of Pigs
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John Mitchell?


EDIT: Its a joke. Mitchell was a piker compared to this current asshole.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 00:50 | 3567969 tango
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Right. Mitchell could not even imagine the lengths to which the DOJ has gone to subvert the law / Constitution. On NPR we suddenly find Obana supporters gnashing their teeth at the terrible AP for endangering the security of the American people! So it 's come full circle - those who once derided Bush's methods are now openly supporting even worse ones. Talk about intellectual dishonesty.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:48 | 3569335 Bananamerican
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don't forget,

Alberto R. Gonzales: slimy amoral bullshitting ass-licking mexican douchebag

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 19:23 | 3567080 James_Cole
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Endless garbage ags, one of the most infamous:

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 19:27 | 3567090 DoChenRollingBearing
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Ah, Woodrow Wilson's guy.  Another #Winning!

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 19:44 | 3567162 Bay of Pigs
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Palmer did some pretty lousy things but Holder is responsible for many American deaths. 

Exactly whose agenda are you pushing here @ ZH James?

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 19:56 | 3567217 Pure Evil
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He's not pushing agendas, he's just trying to push people's buttons.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 20:11 | 3567280 James_Cole
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He's not pushing agendas, he's just trying to push people's buttons.

People constantly confuse (intentionally and unintentionally) trends with aberrations. When you have an aberration it's fixable. 

This binary political thing works so effectively because every step worse can be painted as an aberration as one team is always on hand to claim 'this' particular administration is way out of order suggesting that if you get the other guys in it'll be fixed. Meanwhile, the team on trial can point to the recent past and say 'look at what your guy did!' Goes back and forth forever.

The source of the problem meanwhile escapes unscathed - the source in this case being the office of the AG, not really any particular AG.  

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 20:48 | 3567379 Pure Evil
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Obama's only problem is that he doesn't have an Ollie North to step forward and wrap himself in Old Glory to deflect all of Obutholes detractors.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 21:03 | 3567435 James_Cole
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Liberals need to be convinced to turn against him en masse. There's a lot of grassroots activism that truthfully presents what's going on but the tv news is so incredibly partisan that it effectively obfuscates everything. Everyone (both sides of the aisle + news) benefits from the partisan theatrics, the only loser is the people.

This US propaganda machine is the best of the best so it's hard to compete with, but shit like this (FOIA request) from the 'transparent' Obama regime needs to be more widely distributed:

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 22:01 | 3567582 Cabreado
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"The source of the problem meanwhile escapes unscathed - the source in this case being the office of the AG, not really any particular AG. "

That was one of the creepiest things I've read -- anywhere -- in quite a while.

You appear to be exposing yourself.  Again(?)

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 23:47 | 3567850 pods
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I disagree, not creepy and cuts throug the red-blue bullshit.

The problem is not WHO is there, the problem is that there is a THERE to begin with.

An office that holds that much power is anathema to liberty, so no matter who holds the office, it is the office that is the problem.

Most do not care how much power the government has, only that their team calls the shots. James is pointing out the underlying problem.

(If I am reading James correctly.)


Thu, 05/16/2013 - 00:16 | 3567918 James_Cole
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An office that holds that much power is anathema to liberty

Most do not care how much power the government has, only that their team calls the shots.

This is the point. How often do you see a president scale back the powers their predecssor added to the position? Of course, when their predecessor (as long as they were on the other side) was expanding the office it was oh-so-terrible and unconstitutional. 

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 08:54 | 3568452 NotApplicable
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Exposed as coherent, perhaps. What's creepy is the number of people who fail to understand the evil inherent in any forced collective.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 20:04 | 3567257 seek
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I think Janet Reno still probably has a higher body count than Holder.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 19:40 | 3567141 Ignatius
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Gonzales was some serious competition.  Worse?  I don't know, how does one grade dog shits?

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 19:57 | 3567227 jimmytorpedo
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Onegrades dog shits on how are they are to pick up and throw away mostly.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 20:52 | 3567394 James_Cole
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Gonzales was some serious competition.  Worse?  I don't know, how does one grade dog shits?

How far they pushed the needle is a good metric (and under that criteria Gonzales is particularly egregious) but it gets too partisan. 

I don't know how you overcome the partisan hurdles, but looking back at the history of the office of ag is illuminating. 

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