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Russian Pacific Fleet Warships Enter Mediterranean For First Time In Decades, To Park In Cyprus

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Earlier we reported that the US has now officially landed a Marine force in Israel as well as an assault ship, in a visit that the US Navy promptly assured "is not associated with, nor a reaction to, any world events." It seems we were not the only ones who read this justification somewhat skeptically: so did Russia. And in a historic event, the Russian Pacific fleet, for the first time in decades, crossed the Suez Canal and entered the Mediterranean, direction Cyprus' port of Limasol (hi Cyprus - Russia will be arriving shortly) in what is now the loudest implied warning to the US and Israel amassing military units across Syria's border that Russia will not stand idly by as Syria is used by the Israeli "Defense" Forces for target practice. “The task force has successfully passed through the Suez Channel and entered the Mediterranean. It is the first time in decades that Pacific Fleet warships enter this region,” Capt. First Rank Roman Martov said. This is what is also known as dropping hints, loud and clear.

The group, including the destroyer Admiral Panteleyev, the amphibious warfare ships Peresvet and Admiral Nevelskoi, the tanker Pechenga and the salvage/rescue tug Fotiy Krylov left the port of Vladivostok on March 19 to join Russia’s Mediterranean task force.

Admiral Panteleyev destroyer

Admiral Nevelskoi

The task force currently includes the large anti-submarine ship Severomorsk, the frigate Yaroslav Mudry, the salvage/rescue tugs Altai and SB-921 and the tanker Lena from the Northern and Baltic Fleets, as well as the Ropucha-II Class landing ship Azov from the Black Sea Fleet. The task force may be enlarged to include nuclear submarines, Navy Commander Admiral Viktor Chirkov said last Sunday.

Shore leave for a whole lot of submarines just a few hundred kilometers from Syria? Surely. From Rian.

The task force has successfully passed through the Suez Channel and entered the Mediterranean. It is the first time in decades that Pacific Fleet warships enter this region,” Capt. First Rank Roman Martov said.

 

The Defense Ministry said in April Russia has begun setting up a naval task force in the Mediterranean, sending several warships from the Pacific Fleet to the region. Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said in March a permanent naval task force in the Mediterranean was needed to defend Russia’s interests in the region.

 

A senior Defense Ministry official said the Mediterranean task force's command and control agencies will be based either in Novorossiysk, Russia, or in Sevastopol, Ukraine.

 

Admiral Vladimir Komoyedov, head of the parliamentary defense committee, previously told RIA Novosti that the Mediterranean task force should be comprised of 10 warships and support vessels as part of several tactical groups tasked with attack, antisubmarine warfare and minesweeping.

 

The Soviet Union maintained its 5th Mediterranean Squadron from 1967 until 1992. It was formed to counter the US Navy's 6th Fleet during the Cold War, and consisted of 30-50 warships and auxiliary vessels.

It appears that the squadron is being reincarnated and quite rapidly at that.

It also appears that the two key naval forces in the Mediterranean are finally starting to position themselves for what may soon be a face off.

Hopefully Europe's "anti-manipulation" task force can spook enough majors to push the price of Brent much lower before the moment such an escalation becomes reality.

P.S. Got oil?

 

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Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:14 | 3569154 SheepDog-One
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At least we got global thermonuclear war goin for us! 

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:19 | 3569168 Pladizow
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Capt. First Rank Roman Martov said. "This is what is also known as dropping hints, loud and clear."

The words "dropping" and "loud", also help to paint a "clear" picture!

The first joint Chinese/Russian naval opperation will be awesome!

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:21 | 3569186 Say What Again
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BULLISH

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:29 | 3569234 pan-the-ist
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I think it's funny how tiny, old, and junky the Russian Navy is.  That being said, the just need to put themselves in the mix.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:32 | 3569258 ParkAveFlasher
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What are the odds that global trade through the Suez tapers due to the Panama Canal widening, and Asia/Europe trade rerouted thusly, and Russia is thus suing to push its presence out to fuckin Rock of Gibraltar?

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:36 | 3569279 Pladizow
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To: pan-the-ist

Will your home look any different if a nuke that drops on it comes from a dingy?

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 13:05 | 3569753 Citxmech
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Exactly.  They're there to interdict Israel.  A ship is nothing more than a seaborne platform for anti-ship/aircraft missiles these days anyway.  What really matters is that they carry the Russian flag.  Israel isn't going to move on a Russian ship.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 13:49 | 3569933 Doña K
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The reason they are there is two fold. Collect all the PM's and cash taken out from the Cypriot banks.

What? Are they going to go through customs? who is gonna stop them?

Besides Cyprus needs the money. They will supply them with one years worth of food, all the female "enjo kosai" and everyone will be happy.

The other reason is just a show as both the US and Russia have already drawn the plans.

Don't forget, nothing is what it seems

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 17:35 | 3570866 Spirit Of Truth
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Russia's chiming in for a fight over Syria?

Hence the apocalyptic vision I had:

http://youtu.be/qApKCmYnY70

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 17:41 | 3570875 TheFourthStooge-ing
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I knew this article would have Spirit-Of-Chloroform-Huffing chiming in at some point.

Next thing you know, HR Schmenckenstuff will be crawling out of the woodwork.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 19:09 | 3571077 Lewshine
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I watched your video, excellent and well done! How would you describe Ezekiel Chp 37 & 38, and how they fit into your prophetic vision?? It is my belief that these chapters are the elongated version of Revelation 8. Your thoughts?

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 13:23 | 3569833 pan-the-ist
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I'm not quite sure what your point is.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:59 | 3569410 swmnguy
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It's a hell of a lot farther from Asia to Europe via Panama than it is via Suez.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 13:17 | 3569794 ParkAveFlasher
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You aren't considering that the allowance of larger vessels effectively mitigates the effect of distance i.e. it takes one big boat going 2x the distance to deliver the same volume as two smaller boats going 1x the distance, and to boot, you only move one piece of transport capital from docking which has loads of overhead benefits, simplified logistics, simplified financing, etc. 

The Suez will look like a long slow choke point compared to Panama's double-barrelled chute. Long real estate in deepwater ports like Charleston and Elizabeth. 

Junk away, but these things do not happen in a vacuum.  Note the Panamal Canal's original opening and how it corresponded with the entire global balance of trade and by necessity finance networks and later, the balance of power. 

Putin's a sicko.  Who is there to stop him?  Bunga Bunga?  1zra3l?  Les Francais?  Germany is the only stiff cock in Europe that could slow an advance, and Germany ain't on the Mediterrenean.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 13:44 | 3569924 Freddie
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Putin's a sicko?   Obama and the Muslim Brotherhood have been starting wars all over the middle east along with O's Mena drug cartel pals the Bush and Clinton klans.  They are all the same f***king people.

It is shame that Lt Commander Quentin McHale is not nearby with Gruber on the torpedoes and Virgil and Christy on the .50.  The f***ing Russki's would be high tailing it to the Surigao Straits.

Sat, 05/18/2013 - 04:10 | 3575379 phyuckyiu
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Putin is the only thing standing between world dominance by NATO. And if you think NATO is benevolent, you have your head up your ass. Thank god for Putin.

Sat, 05/18/2013 - 04:17 | 3575383 phyuckyiu
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I hear Putin just delivered a large shipment of Yakhont missiles to Syria. Also known as the updated version of the Sunburn missile that we have no defense against. Sure, reply with all your bullshit about the Aegis, there's a reason Israel is paranoid about Russian Missiles, and chose to try and destroy them. And it's not because we have a defense against them, you fucking dumbasses. Now Israel will have to blow up a Russian ship to stop the Sunburns being delivered. End Game.

Enjoy that Mach 3 afterburn for the last mile, gotta love the kinetic energy behind a Mach 3 missile.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 13:54 | 3569953 ParkAveFlasher
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The distance from China to the East Coast of the US is slightly (4-5%) further via Panama than via the Suez.  Even pre-lock expansion, and in spite of increases in toll charges, the Panama Canal handles a growing share (5% and growing) of global shipping volume vs. a shrinking Suez (7%) share.  So there is an impact there. 

Add in that Europe's biggest markets for consumption are bleeding wealth, and that America has the LGN that China craves, yes childrens, the Russians may be moving in because they know the Americans don't give a damn. 

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 13:57 | 3569966 Doña K
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Besides the Panama canal is now in Chinese hands. They bought it. 

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 17:20 | 3570782 Element
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What? Germany can, "...slow an advance..."? Talk sense. Britain and France have hundreds of nukes, plus powerful air force and navy to go with it. Germany would be a smoking wasteland if it went up against Russia.

The Russians are going to protect their interests, and chief among them is dissuading the US, Brits, France and Israel from constantly militating to start wars, and much larger wars. This can come to blows, the Russians don't have to look pretty to throw Israel, Europe and the US into total chaos.

Russia is not just signalling, it is doing, it is serious about putting an end to psychopathic Washington politicians starting wars everywhere on demented half-baked whims, and constantly blaming others for what happens.  If the UN SC is so dysfunctional as to be next to useless to deter and restrain the US's aggression, then we are right back to M.A.D. and to proxy-warfare.

This appears to be what the US, Britain, France and Israel has ultimately wanted, to force the Russians and Chinese and Iran and DPRK to come out to play, to show up and face-off again.

Well, they got it, and the proxy-wars and bloodshed they crave (well done cunts).

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 12:02 | 3569427 i-dog
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LOL ... Asia to Europe is half the distance through the Suez than it is through the Panama.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 13:20 | 3569816 ParkAveFlasher
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See above, snoop.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 12:23 | 3569532 GCT
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Park the widening of the Panama Canal is actullay being paid for by the big shipping companies.  The reason is they are tired of being ripped off in California and they stated as such.  They intend to use Houston and New Orleans as ports.  This will be interesting once the canal opens for sure.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 12:47 | 3569657 Patriot Eke
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The destination should be noted.  Remember all of that Russian money that the EU stole?  Russia may be sending multiple messages with a single move here.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 13:39 | 3569888 gmrpeabody
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I may have missed the update..., but it's my understanding that the Russians used their ATM cards to get out of Cyprus before the pillage started.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 13:22 | 3569831 ParkAveFlasher
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What does "who is paying" have to do with anything? 

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 14:26 | 3570123 Freddie
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The vile Longshoreman's Union on the West Coast?   Their starting pay is about $175,000 a year?

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:43 | 3569282 The Proletariat
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Maybe they are just meeting someone to collect $100,000 with the possibility of getting millions...

 

Dear, Capt. First Rank Roman Martov, if you agree to work with the U.S. we will give you 100k right now and then one million later...you in?

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:55 | 3569385 mayhem_korner
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We can pay you two thousand now...and fifteen when we get to Alderaan.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 12:42 | 3569632 Patriot Eke
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I'm just not sure how to answer.  Are you wearing a blonde or brunette wig?

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:40 | 3569292 BigJim
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In the intervening 20 years since the end of the USSR, the disparity between the Anglo-American financial empire's (conventional) military capabilities, and everyone else's, has hugely expanded.

Unless the nukes get used, I doubt Russia could even beat Israel in the Med... and that's without Israel's lackey-in-chief - us - joining in.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 12:12 | 3569479 Solarman
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Yup, The Russian flleet is toast.  I'd be more impressed if we start seeing Backfire bombers starting to visit. Me thinks the Russians want to spook the oil market higher, before our paper pushes collapse it, along wwith most of our enemies.

Sat, 05/18/2013 - 04:23 | 3575385 phyuckyiu
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The Russian Fleet is there to make sure the Sunburns get delivered, or launched if need be. It's not there to fight a conventional water war. Man you guys are fucking stupid.

 

I'd love to see Israel go up against Russia. I'd buy alot of popcorn for that one. Sunburns are fucking cheap. You think Iron Dome stands a chance against a few hundred Sunburns? GOOD FUCKING LUCK.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 12:14 | 3569489 BigJim
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Sorry junkers, you can dis-approve of a nation's over-arching racial-supremacist ideology, AND still recognise they have a very well-equipped & trained military.

Wanting Russia to kick Israel's ass ain't gonna make it happen. Sorry.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 12:41 | 3569627 DogOfSinope
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Purely militarily speaking, Russia could kick anyone's ass apart from US and China (there it would be draw). We all know what happens when arrogant hegemonist underestimate Russia's power and size from history lessons.
That said, they have no intention attacking Israel for sure.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 14:18 | 3570081 DeliciousSteak
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The difference is, when last time Russia was underestimated and it was forced to fight for survival, mass production of cheap yet reliable steel-on-wheelz was enough to turn the tables. Their opponent had(by late 1943 only) superior steel-on-wheelz, but not enough petrol or the production capability to compete. This time the opponent has all three: superior tech, enough petrol and the production capability to beat them. Russia would be toast in a conventional war.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 14:52 | 3570229 DogOfSinope
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Yet, this superior force is humiliated by the lightly armored, illiterate cavemen in Central Asia for 12 years already.
The real paper dragon is supported only by paper. When paper stops coming out of Fed printers the US will be toast. And, Russia can just spread beluga caviar on toast with occasional sip of vodka and enjoy the theater.
Which is pity. The USA of my childhood was the most admirable social creation ever. And I doubt that I will see another such social creation in my lifetime...

Sat, 05/18/2013 - 04:28 | 3575388 phyuckyiu
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It's ok, I'm sure Big Jim is one of those fools that says the Aegis or Iron Dome can stop a bunch of Sunburns. Ignorance is bliss.

 

Many years ago, Soviet planners gave up trying to match the US Navy ship for ship, gun for gun, and dollar for dollar. The Soviets simply could not compete with the high levels of US spending required to build up and maintain a huge naval armada. They shrewdly adopted an alternative approach based on strategic defense. They searched for weaknesses, and sought relatively inexpensive ways to exploit those weaknesses. The Soviets succeeded: by developing several supersonic anti-ship missiles, one of which, the SS-N-22 Sunburn, has been called “the most lethal missile in the world today...

 

Break out the popcorn folks, as soon as a few Sunburns hit their targets, Lockheed and Raytheon stocks are gonna tank hard.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 18:11 | 3570928 Element
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Russia used its least capable and oldest platforms and least advanced weapon systems in the Georgian war (which was re-armed by US/NATO and Israel). The Georgians launched the war and yet the Russian military responded fast, and totally kicked their asses in no time at all. Not even a fair contest.

To assume Russia would lose a conventional battle, today, is a fallacy (and yes, I read "Hitler's War" too).

Fri, 05/17/2013 - 12:52 | 3573293 dtwn
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Russia has some pretty sweet hardware such as the Tunguska. Don't know what the equivalent would be in other nations militaries but ground to ground or ground to air, this seems pretty capable:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunguska-M1

Fri, 05/17/2013 - 18:31 | 3574489 Element
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There isn't a direct Western SHORAD GBAD equivalent that can match it for range, and also for its passive engagement capability (in more recent examples).

The Tunguska system is also the primary CIWS system which the Russians use on almost all of their significant naval units, to kill incoming missiles. The naval version also has an integrated missile auto-loader.

As does the updated land-based version of it, called "Pantsir S1", which is a very effective anti-aircraft and anti-missile system indeed. Syria already operates large numbers of Pantsirs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantsir

Given the system is passive, so can operate without any emission, to give away its presence or location, and it is a highly mobile system, it would require a major and very expensive effort to impose and also sustain any effective no-fly-zone over Syria, as the SAM threat would remain very high, and could not realistically be eliminated via air power. 

Sat, 05/18/2013 - 04:31 | 3575390 phyuckyiu
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Rumor has it the Tunguska showed a few Turkish warplanes who their daddy is off the coast of Syria last year.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 17:00 | 3570766 The_Dude
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@BigJim....Israel standing on whose sholders....You think they would last more than a week without the US having to step in.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 12:30 | 3569569 Anusocracy
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Russia doesn't doesn't have trillions to spend on gold plated fighters so they invested wisely in defensive systems.

 

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 14:10 | 3570031 ChacoFunFact
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i read once on zh that the russian guidance and navigation systems are mechanical?  can someone refresh my memory?   

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 17:07 | 3570785 TheFourthStooge-ing
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i read once on zh that the russian guidance and navigation systems are mechanical?  can someone refresh my memory?

Why yes, of course. Here's something else you're reading on zh: Russian airplanes are powered by steam engines, and their railroad switchyards are operated by bats and pirate ghosts.

Thanks to the internet and democracy, you can now believe such things.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 17:18 | 3570810 Element
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make me laugh ... classic ... do they have electricity in rusher yet?

Sat, 05/18/2013 - 04:33 | 3575392 phyuckyiu
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Don't they still calculate trajectory with pencil and paper? Ummmmmmm yeah.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 18:02 | 3570910 Element
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I agree with that,  Israel has many effective means to destroy those ships, but that would end with at a minimum of an EMP strike over Israel, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon (heck, let's fry Saudi electrickery while we're at it), and the destruction of all of Israel's airbases, missile bases, army bases and sea ports (and dimona cooks-off). The Israelis' are dog-meat if they make any dumb moves that involves or forces Russia into high-intensity combat.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:42 | 3569303 newworldorder
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RE: pan-the-ist

 

You must be a great student of Russian Naval History and capabilities.  As such you must know that they are still a capable bunch who can inflict great amount of casualties and loss on a potential enemy. After all you are not the one sitting on an American ship in harms way.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 13:21 | 3569819 pan-the-ist
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As I said, they're there to get in the mix, not actually defend anything.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 16:11 | 3570591 thisandthat
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no one gets in the mix to be a spectator...

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 18:14 | 3570942 Element
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yup, it's a E verses W proxy-war all over again

just what Lockheed Martin etal stawks ordered

Sat, 05/18/2013 - 04:35 | 3575393 phyuckyiu
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When the Sunburns start flying, Lockheed stock will be tanking hard. Won't take many kills to lose confidence in them either, since all these fucking idiots think they are invicible.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:42 | 3569316 SheepDog-One
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Like our spies with dimestore wigs and G-mail accounts?

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 12:02 | 3569430 Brit_Abroad
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Hey, but look on the bright side......it's paid for !

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 12:39 | 3569599 flapdoodle
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Yeah, so many examples of crappy Russian designed weapons floating around - that imprecise, crude weapon called the AK-47, or that MiG-15 fighter that did so poorly during the Korean War, or the ridiculous supersonic "shkval" torpedo or that silly "kornet" anti tank weapon used in Lebanon in 2006 with such poor results against IDF tanks that the Israelis had to withdraw and settle for stalemate...

The eastern Med is the "schwerpunkt" and Russia wants to have a maximum concentration at the point where the shit is going to hit the fan when Obambi makes the stupid decision... North Korea and China will keep the US occupied in the Pacific.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 13:06 | 3569757 post turtle saver
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Korean War US kill ratio in air-to-air combat was 7:1 in favor. The US has been getting insanely better ever since, Russia would have no chance.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 13:24 | 3569835 DogOfSinope
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Nope. It was 3.4:1 for Soviets.

In Vietnam it was 3:1 for USA

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 13:49 | 3569926 gmrpeabody
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Nope..., according to Wiki, 4:1 Americans is correct.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 13:47 | 3569931 JimBowie1958
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Meh, 3.4:1 was the Soviet claim, and 10:1 in US favor was US claim.

Assume both are lying to the maximum credible factor possible, then averaging the two should get closer to the Truth of the matter.

Bottom line: US air power, air support and bombing missions conntinued throughout the war and were major factors to the Allies advantage till the war finally ended. Who had the highest kill ratio is nothing more than a my-dick-is-bigger-than-yours  distraction.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 14:26 | 3570125 DogOfSinope
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Agreed. You are correct re. kill claim. It was Russia's claim.
Anyway, I just wanted to poin out that dismissing a country that covers a sizable part of the total Earth land mass and regularly sends people to space would be rather foolish.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 14:39 | 3570174 Freddie
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The USA had crap in Korea.  The Mig 15 and Mig 17s were pretty good planes.  The F-86 could handle a Mig 15.  The early part of Vietnam was not so good either.   They finally got the F-4C to be a decent fighter even though it was a big and heavy plane.  This was laregly due to Robin Olds pilot skills.  Also Duke Conningham who later screwed up as a Congressman and got nailed for accepting gifts and bribes.  A Boy Scout compared to Obama's scum.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 18:25 | 3570960 Element
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MiG17 was not fielded in Korea Freddie, they didn't make it into service in time, they were first used in combat by China, over the Taiwan Straight, in 1958. The MiG17 was used highly effectively in the Vietnam war though.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 19:55 | 3571167 flapdoodle
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During the early part of the Korean War, the Soviet pilots flying the MiG-15s had great kill ratios in besting the US pilots and continued to do so until the F-86 showed up, along with a completely revamped set of dogfighting tactics... that turned the tide, but none-the-less, the MiGs were a big, and unwanted surprise to the USAF/USN which had rested on its laurels since WWII

Vietnam was a repeat, with the MiG21 making a big dent in the obsolete stuff initially fielded by USAF/USN - and again the tables didn't turn until the F-4 showed up, along with a whole new set of dogfight tactics from one John Boyd.

The thing to worry about is that there won't be time to come up with a new set of tactics and field a new weapon system in the next war which will be more along the lines of "use it or lose it".

Arrogance in overestimating your own strength and underestimating your adversary's is not a winning tactic.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 16:29 | 3589299 JimBowie1958
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Hitler and Napoleon did have problems with hubris, but I think there were some conceptual issues also.

In Nappy's time, a government  = a king and his advisers. A capital was the place the kings home and family were located, so if you capture his capital he would likely stop the fighting and negotiate a peace. That didnt work for Nappy since he went after Moscow instead of St Petersburg, the latter of which was the capital. He also understimated Russian resolve, grit and patriotism. He neveer imagined the Russians would burn down their own former capital to deny him and his army winter shelter. Oooops.

Hitler thought the Russians were completely controled by the vast Jewish Conspiracy, and sent Himmler to Russia to kill as many of the Jewish civilians as he could find, and a few Russians too if they got in the way. That united Russia against the Germans as they saw the Nazis as far worse than the Bolsheviks. And they were worse. So Hitler had to fight partisans all over Eastern Europe which bled troops away from the front lines and hindered logistical support for his forces.

The Mongols made no similar mistakes and conquored Russia in the midst of winter.

 

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 13:13 | 3569785 sandblaster
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Rock on Broham!

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 13:31 | 3569862 pan-the-ist
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Maximum Concentration = 1 destroyer!?!

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 14:26 | 3570126 Overfed
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Waterloo ring any bells for you? How about the Eastern Front?

Hubris has led to the defeat of vastly superior (on paper) powers at the hands of the Russians more than once.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:34 | 3569262 mr1963
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Be interesting to watch how our miltary holds up against one that can actually fight back, just hoping they don't run out of that $23 per gallon bio-fuel...

I said it before, the world knows a wimp when they see one, and we have a wimp for a leader.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:52 | 3569370 GoldForCash
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That would be a Russian loving wimp!!!

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 12:15 | 3569498 Solarman
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Israel turned off Russia's anti air radars, and fly over that country with impunity.  Russian fleet is surrounded by 30 aircraft carriers, called, Greek islands, Malta, and Israel.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 14:33 | 3570160 DogOfSinope
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It's not 1942 today. The sentiment in Southern Europe is such that these 30 air carriers may hoist a flag that you might get surprised by.

Sat, 05/18/2013 - 04:42 | 3575399 phyuckyiu
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Russia made sure after 2007 that all their systems are self guided. But nice attempt at trying to say nobody learns from their mistakes. We'll see who laughs last this time. It appears the S-300 system royally freaks out any NATO power these days. I wonder why.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:35 | 3569274 Winston Churchill
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At least they are not dropping kiloton depth charges(yet).

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:54 | 3569378 Gen-Zero
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It's all cool! Nukes don't blow holes in the water.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 13:49 | 3569939 dontgoforit
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Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall receive peace.  Let's hope these guys don't run aground on one another and set off a chain reaction that can't be stopped - all hell could break loose in a flash - and it wouldn't bode well for anyone, especially the Russian navy.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:18 | 3569174 Rory_Breaker
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The heat is on!

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:21 | 3569192 Vagabond
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The H is O

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:22 | 3569204 Rory_Breaker
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Kinky!

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:26 | 3569226 Mad Mohel
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Hello motherfuckers! Fancy meeting you here!

Sat, 05/18/2013 - 04:45 | 3575401 phyuckyiu
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Don't you have some more freshly circumcised penis' to suck blood out from?

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 23:21 | 3571737 Grimlock
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Where are the Chinese? Let's get this party started.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:42 | 3569314 IridiumRebel
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"It'll suck the paint off of your house and give everyone permanent orange afros!"

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:59 | 3569411 The Phu
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At a moment like this, one cannot quote from the movie "Spies Like Us" enough.  I prefer, particularly in this context of potential world war, the imfamous line from "SLU"/ General Sline:

When we commissioned the Schmectel Corporation to research this precise event sequence scenario it was determined that the continual stockpiling and development of our nuclear arsenal was becoming self-defeating. A weapon unused is a useless weapon.

 

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 12:38 | 3569615 Frastric
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SheepDog-One

In a thermonuclear war no one wins...

Except maybe the cockroaches...

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 12:57 | 3569708 sgorem
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my exact sentiment SheepDog. just how comfortable are we ALL with this mullato kenyan "muslim" liar, shill, puppet in the white house with control over the lives of alot of good Americans when it comes to thermo nuclear diplomacy. i for one think this neo moron needs to fucking go back down the hole from which he came. maybe just destroying America economicaly isnt good enough, maybe the emperor has other plans. downing this post proves to me that we still have alot of sheeple that still have their heads up their ass, so go for it, O'Baaaaahhhhhhmers.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 12:57 | 3569710 ApollyonDestroy
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God vs Magog bitches, only Lucifer and his minions win

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 13:12 | 3569780 Wile-E-Coyote
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No it will be OK the US won't start anything, these Russian guys can shoot back!!

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:15 | 3569157 fonzannoon
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Just remember their subs always do their crazy Ivan's to starboard at the bottom half of the hour.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 13:16 | 3569798 therover
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"What's his plan ? " 'Russians don't take a dump without a plan"

 

 

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:16 | 3569162 the not so migh...
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i love military build ups

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:20 | 3569183 EL INDIO
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I love gay military parades

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:37 | 3569280 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

I love gay military parades

Lindsey Graham simply adores them. They're so disciplined.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:37 | 3569283 DaveyJones
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in key west

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 14:34 | 3570162 akak
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His parents had great foresight in their choice of his given name.

I'm just waiting to see him start handing out $3 bills at his campaign rallies.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:16 | 3569163 joak
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USA : "Oh Russia, you are here ? How are you doing ? Any business ongoing ?"

Russia : "Hi USA. No, just sightseeing. And you, what's up ? Are you looking for something ?"

USA : "We"re doing good. Same here, just travelling a bit. Very nice, right ?"

Russia : " Yeah. Ok got to go, have a good day."

USA : "Have a good day too."

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:29 | 3569235 Death and Gravity
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ARRRRRHHHH MOTHERLAND

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 12:55 | 3569638 Aegelis
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Russia: "You bring the cheeseburgers, we'll pour the Stolichnaya"

USA: "Permission to come aboard?"



Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:16 | 3569165 i-dog
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It would be nice to have JOYFUL's take from on the ground nearby...but Tyler has banned him. Why Tyler?

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:33 | 3569239 i-dog
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The "comments" are there, but you can't view the "profile" ... which means they can't sign in ... which is why they're no longer posting here.

TwoShortPlanks received a warning email ... whereas I just had one post scrubbed ... whereas Joyful appears to have done nothing other than maybe mention the "Z" word. Two out of those 3 got banned.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:39 | 3569294 Rory_Breaker
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Yes, you can view his profile:

http://www.zerohedge.com/users/joyful

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:42 | 3569318 i-dog
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My apologies. Both were "Access denied" earlier, and Joyful also messaged me that he couldn't log in. We'll see if he returns today.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:45 | 3569334 Rory_Breaker
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Copied mate!

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:32 | 3569251 chunga
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I think I've only seen two users get banned from ZH.

One dude made some rambling crazy comments and got junked about 500 times in 30 seconds.

*POOF* he was gone.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:39 | 3569288 i-dog
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Trav7777 also got lots of junks for deliberate racial remarks before he was banned.

Joyful's last post got 7 ups and 2 junks.

TwoShortPlanks' last post got 2 ups and 1 junk.

There's quite a different motivation with this latest banning.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:52 | 3569372 chunga
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I'm not trying to take any "high roads" here but a scum is a scum no matter what race, religion, etc.

There, I'm done with my daily civics lesson and my self-esteem just got a boost.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 12:32 | 3569580 Alienated Serf
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What about Trav777?

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 13:00 | 3569726 JOYFUL
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The putschist perps have "permitted" me to log back in...

apparently a middle level apparatchik of the "all new  ZH 66.6 FM" has decided that martyrs for the cause are bad PR:

in case that changes with a ruling from the inner politburo.... pls capture this comment resistors... fore it disappears like those of yesterday... in which I signed off with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WHe5fxS3dA... Fight the Power\Public Enemy.

I can't speak for TSP... or know what his status is.... but us 'scum' have a msg for y'all of the SPECTRE SIDE///

you have shown what happens when the ZHERFS raise their voices in protest... but just like your teammates with the gold\silver smash bag o tricks... you will be amazed by the 'unintended consequences' of your power playz...

there may just be .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9Zo_raGK_0 ///  a "show of hands" !!!!

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:57 | 3569395 GoldForCash
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Yeah the other guy had one of those stupid moving profile pictures

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 12:07 | 3569454 i-dog
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That should have been enough to get him barred from even entering!

Now, shhhhh ... I'm trying to sleep.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 12:40 | 3569625 Peachfuzz
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When gold was outlawed only one person was prosecuted for hoarding... I'm not trying to take sides in this debate, but the bottom line is that the folks at zh provide us with a valuable service for free. I'm all for free speech, but I don't consider carving the meme of the day in the shit house walls to be a 1st amendment issue. Look at all the trolls that came out of the woodwork the week zh covered the unsustainability of social security. it was almost impossible to use the comment section of the site. I can completely see wanting to reserve the right to remove distractions like those from this site.

  I come here to learn, not to degrade others (even if some do need it) and I hope ya'll do too. Some day I hope we'll all come to the conclusion that in the eyes of the .1 of 1 percent, we're all a subhuman race. In the mean time it ain't that kind of world.

  If you feel you've been censored here, go start your own blog, do your own homework, drive traffic to your site, and then run a 1st amendment guaranteed comment section and see if you're still in business 4 years from now. Oh, and send me the the link, because I will read it. I think it would be a good exercise for any of us that choose to take this site for granted. It takes a lot to keep a show like this one on the road, and I hope that folks think about that before they flip a nut over a free lunch.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 15:07 | 3570279 sgorem
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per my comment below(or above). i AGREE with you about everything you stated. my observation is that most posts after a few comments, get way off subject and start on their own dissents, argruments, etc. (minus the personal attacks), my statement ONLY applies to views on the CONTENT of said subjects (whatever they may be), and the freedom to reply any to it/them in ANY WAY UNABRIDGED, that's the key to Zero Hedge. Hell, if we want to be censored, why not just go to Huffpo. ZH has been, up to now, the cutting edge in info, economically, socialy, politically. To waffle now would be an aberation of the founding principles imho. hope i'm still here tomorrow:) Tylers, don't forget the 2 tee shirts i bought from you guys awhile back when you think about sticking it to me................................

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 16:34 | 3570676 earnyermoney
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ZH is ABC. read the small print at the bottom of the browser. Notice went up because some group probably threatened parent ABC with legal action.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 17:31 | 3570855 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Wrong. ZH is ABC Media, Limited, not the Disney-owned American Broadcasting Company, nor is it the Australian Broadcasting Corporation.

I am also reasonably sure that ZH is not affiliated with ABC Liquor of Loxahatchee, Florida, ABC Discount Liquor of Wichita, Kansas, ABC Auto Center of Waipahu, Hawaii, ABC Fence Company of Prineville, Oregon, or ABC Plumbing Services and Supplies of Tortola, British Virgin Islands.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 16:39 | 3570691 Socratic Dog
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Trouble is, Trav was one of the more thoughtful posters here.  His comments usually had more insight than just about any others.  So his prejudices and biases upset you a little bit.  Well fuckin' diddums.  This is fight club, and you need to learn to roll with the punches, and appreciate the knockout artists whether you like their style or not.

Tylers, banning Trav was a weak-kneed move.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 18:39 | 3571004 Element
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I agree, like him or hate him, Trav was one of the best posters for insight and novel commentary (as was MAKO's, who was also banned), but Trav was actually banned more than once, i.e. he did get given a couple of chances first.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 14:52 | 3570227 sgorem
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@ idog, wheres LongSoupLine, Steve from Virginia, Hedgehog been lately? do not 1st Admendment Rights apply here any longer, just asskin?. yadda, yadda, yadda..................................................................?

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:16 | 3569167 Dr. Engali
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We're just here to make a withdrawal.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:20 | 3569178 fonzannoon
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(dusting off the gulf of tonkin playbook)

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 12:14 | 3569494 Vince Clortho
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The False Flag thing never gets old.

Especially with the American public.  I would bet that over half believe the "Gulf of Tonkin" is a PGA Tour event somewhere near Japan.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 12:33 | 3569585 Alienated Serf
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That thing was never put away long enough to get dust on it.  WMD anyone?

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:38 | 3569286 Death and Gravity
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Sorry, your account is overdrawn.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 12:57 | 3569707 Patriot Eke
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Something tells me it won't be all money either.  I bet a lot of bankster politicians there are sleeping with one eye open tonight.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:17 | 3569170 kralizec
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Nothing to worry about...other than their sailoring skills being so poor that they run into things and hit the wrong buttons...whatever... (yawn)

Sat, 05/18/2013 - 04:53 | 3575406 phyuckyiu
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Last I checked Sunburn missiles don't need sailor skills.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:18 | 3569171 insanelysane
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"Russian Pacific Fleet Warships Enter Mediterranean For First Time In Decades"

Apparently they had better maps than the US Pacific Fleet as we didn't hear about any of their ships getting stuck on reefs.  Also they haven't surfaced a sub into a cruise liner yet.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:18 | 3569172 optimator
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Careful Israel, Russia won't act the way the U.S. did when you try to sink one of their ships!

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:22 | 3569194 joak
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Did Bibin got standing ovations at the Duma ? Probably not. E4 ? HIT !

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:22 | 3569199 Monedas
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My Jews are much crazier (?) than those pussy Russians !

Sat, 05/18/2013 - 04:56 | 3575408 phyuckyiu
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Your Jews will be running the Samson Option soon right before they dissolve into oblivion.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 12:04 | 3569445 Randall Cabot
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Especially since LBJ was a zionist:

"Research into Johnson's personal history indicates that he inherited his concern for the Jewish people from his family. His aunt Jessie Johnson Hatcher, a major influence on LBJ, was a member of the Zionist Organization of America."

 

 

 

 

http://www.aish.com/jw/s/48942551.html   

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 13:10 | 3569774 FeralSerf
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A Russian ship coming to the aid of the USS Liberty was the reason the Israelis discontinued their attack.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2003/10/24/israel-s-attack-on-the-liberty-re...

"A Soviet destroyer responded before the US Navy, even though a US submarine, on a covert mission, was apparently in the area and had monitored the attack. The Soviet ship reached the Liberty six hours before the USS Davis. The captain of the Soviet ship offered his aid, but the Liberty’s conning officer refused.

Finally, 16 hours after the attack two US destroyers reached the Liberty. By that time, 34 US sailors were dead and 174 injured, many seriously. As the wounded were being evacuated, an officer with the Office of Naval Intelligence instructed the men not to talk about their ordeal with the press."

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 14:09 | 3570026 Randall Cabot
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"Admiral McCain, father of the current senator, following orders like a good little careerist, conducted a sham hearing while abandoned his fellow Navy men to the interests of Israel. A 700 page Navy report concluded the two-hour attack had been a case of mistaken identity, although the Liberty flew a huge flag and carried her name and number prominently on bow and stern.

 

"The inquiry was headed by Rear Admiral Isaac C. Kidd. Kidd didn't have a free hand. He'd been instructed by Vice-Admiral McCain (the Senator's father) to limit the damage to the Pentagon and to protect the reputation of Israel.""

 

 

 

 

 http://rense.com/general70/libb.htm    

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:18 | 3569173 Monedas
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Now they will really crash silver ! LOL

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:18 | 3569175 EL INDIO
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Does that mean I have to cancel my holidyas in meds ?

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:21 | 3569189 Pladizow
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No, just take them!

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:25 | 3569220 Wakanda
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LOL - double up for a real holiday.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:26 | 3569225 tradingdaze
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I've got a time share in Damascus that's empty.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:46 | 3569341 EL INDIO
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Dude, you've been scammed. Damascus is not on the meds !

I found one in Benghazi ...

I’ve been told it’s so peaceful there.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:20 | 3569182 illyia
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Haunted by "Report from Iron Mountain"...

Just in general...

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:20 | 3569184 deepsouthdoug
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War what is it good for?

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:22 | 3569205 otto skorzeny
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MIC's bottom line.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:24 | 3569212 Rory_Breaker
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You beat me to it Otto :)

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:21 | 3569185 Debtonation
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Just there to pick up whatever gold Cyprus has on its tiny island.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:21 | 3569187 JimBowie1958
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BULLISH! DOW 20,000!

lolol

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:25 | 3569223 Rory_Breaker
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Pah! You pessimist

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:21 | 3569191 tuttisaluti
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Happy to live in the caribbean when the shit hits.

Thu, 05/16/2013 - 11:46 | 3569340 DaveyJones
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at least you don't need a greenhouse

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