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IRS Official In Charge During Tea Party Targeting Now Runs Health Care Office
Submitted by Michael Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
I’d like to say that the following is unbelievable, but it’s not. Unfortunately, it is all too believable.
From ABC:
The Internal Revenue Service official in charge of the tax-exempt organizations at the time when the unit targeted tea party groups now runs the IRS office responsible for the health care legislation.
USA! USA!
Sarah Hall Ingram served as commissioner of the office responsible for tax-exempt organizations between 2009 and 2012. But Ingram has since left that part of the IRS and is now the director of the IRS’ Affordable Care Act office, the IRS confirmed to ABC News today.
Her successor, Joseph Grant, is taking the fall for misdeeds at the scandal-plagued unit between 2010 and 2012. During at least part of that time, Grant served as deputy commissioner of the tax-exempt unit.
Grant announced today that he would retire June 3, despite being appointed as commissioner of the tax-exempt office May 8, a week ago.
“Obamacare empowers the agency that just violated the public’s trust by secretly targeting conservative groups,” Rep. Marlin Stutzman, R-Ind., added. “Even by Washington’s standards, that’s unacceptable.”
Sen. John Cornyn even introduced a bill, the “Keep the IRS Off Your Health Care Act of 2013,” which would prohibit the Secretary of the Treasury, or any delegate, including the IRS, from enforcing the Affordable Care Act.
“Now more than ever, we need to prevent the IRS from having any role in Americans’ health care,” Cornyn, R-Texas, stated. “I do not support Obamacare, and after the events of last week, I cannot support giving the IRS any more responsibility or taxpayer dollars to implement a broken law.”
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This will fly under the radar until she is a judge on American Idol and makes some howling teenybopper cry. Then the public will vilify her.
Political functionary.
Where's John Wilkes Booth when you need him?
In the old days, before lies were called spin, there was a term for all this. It was a single word that summed it all up and got right to the heart of the matter. In fact, in some jurisdictions it's actually used as a legal basis for a crime.
>>> Corruption
Communism has never come to power in a country that was not disrupted by war or corruption, or both. John F. Kennedy
I weep for the liberty of my country when I see at this early day of its successful experiment that corruption has been imputed to many members of the House of Representatives, and the rights of the people have been bartered for promises of office. Andrew Jackson
The two greatest priorities for my government are tackling tax evasion and corruption.
Mario Monti
here, here. bully, bully.
Between 2009 and 2012 Sarah Hall Ingram received bonuses from taxpayers totalling $100,000.
I wish I had something snarky to write but I am just disgusted.
Like I always say: SH
She will be portrayed by Monty Python's Terry Jones (in drag) in the movie.
she is just .....pawn to e6
Well nuts...we just lost Piers Morgan.
Guest appearance by Penn Jillette. Sucks cause he didn't do any tricks.
Piers Morgan: Now I See U.S. Government Tyranny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbL_mYcz7kY
The man doesn't have two brain cells to rub together and should be treated as the quack/hack that he is.
All he has ever had to do is look around him, from Holders vague answers about whether a citizen would ever be droned to bio-ID in the immigration bill to citizens being forced to buy a product/service whether they want to or not.
He's the current walking-talking example of what a "useful idiot" looks like.
What health care will be in 10 years under the IRS.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSUAAKFLoL0
So this guy speaks out, and they shut him up too:
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2013/05/17/kmovs-conners-barred-from-facebook-interviews-on-irs-controversy/
"I wish I had something snarky to write but I am just disgusted."
The bitch is a first class cunt.
Facts not bouncing off Piers' head?! The sky is falling!
She is not a pawn. She is Marxist political operative. The federal agencies are full of them
Costa Rica is looking better every fucking day. I am going to make an exploratory trip down there this year. Any other suggestions?
Ecuador is worth checking out. Great climate in Quito and Cuenca, low cost of living, gas is $1.50 a gallon and diesel is $1 a gallon. Export oil, coffee, chocolate, bananas, and seafood. Very good health care with US trained doctors at 10% of US cost, pay cash, and nothing ends up in a US medical database. US$ is the currency, so no currency conversion hassles. President Correa is no USA lackey, so cold shoulder to US intrusions, yet competent with a PhD from University of Illinois. Investing in infrastructure rather than siphoning off millions to personal Swiss bank accounts like all the prior kleptocrats. Well documented property titles. My plan B with a condo in Quito and a 70 acre farm in the Amazon highlands.
The first ones they come for are the rich gringos.
To Hell with the IRS and Obamacare. Word search that.
What list does that get me on?
Going after Rich gringos? ..... ahhhhh ..... we got that here already ... what's the downside?
Sad but true.
When the dollar collapses all those Ecuadorians holding dollars are going to be very, very angry!!
Of course, so will the rest of the world that is holding dollars.
I prefer an inshore secure area like small towns in Arkansas.
"When the dollar collapses all those Ecuadorians holding dollars are going to be very, very angry!!
Of course, so will the rest of the world that is holding dollars.
I prefer an inshore secure area like small towns in Arkansas."
May I suggest a cute little community called ....Casa Grande ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewater_controversy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPi6Wa5R5lg
Or perhaps Mena, Arkansas.....I hear they have there own airstrip.
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/the_crimes_of_mena.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxaFGsdGxnc
You may want to investigate who the local criminal in charge of law inforcement is before you make the change
freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2013/03/welcome-to-sulphur-springs-when-police.html
If you want to keep up with the police state....then this site is the ZeroHedge version for it.
http://www.informationliberation.com/
What about the not so rich gringos?
It starts to appear that these miles and miles of fenches near the border with Mexico are not to keep the Mexicans out but to keep the Americans in.
Every goverment does, because they live off our backs and need us to survive. Think East Germany--had the Stasi to keep people inline and a fence to keep them in.
hujel
I read way back when that DHS had brought in Markus Wolf (ex. Stasi) and Yevgeni Primakov (ex. KGB) to consult on such matters. I don't know if it's true, but it would not surprise me.
Going into Mexico they only stop every 20th car for customs inspection .... well, heavily laden pickups and vans get more scrutiny .... never have to show passport .... unless you look foreign .... kind of a libertarian ideal .... compared to the Gestapo coming into the US !
Agreed, I sent my son and now daughter-in-law to Equador in January for a month for their honeymoon thinking it would cost $10-15,000. It cost me $2,000 and did not think they were coming home. They loved it. Lots of American trust fund babies there.
Can you own a firearm such as an AR-15, AK-47, or M1A there? How about a handgun? Didn't think so. Why go someplace where you're considered an outsider with means, and where you have absolutely no way to defend yourself, your family, or your property. Stand and fight, with ballots and letters first, with bullets and arms if necessary.
I spent a week in Costa Rica a few years ago - at Corky Caroll's surf school. It was a blast but I will warn you he only uses "outside" voice ALL THE TIME! hahaha
http://www.surfschool.net/costa-rica-package/
Don't waste your time.
Spent several months in each of the republics south of Mexico several years back. On the same mission. Had a great time... but...
the idea of taking refuge in any them(if you're of the 'melatoninally-challenged' persuasion)... is foolish. You'll be watched every step of the way... in setting up your 'secure' retreat. And when the time comes... will be considered a mobile ATM>... no log in required. Costa Rica... in particular! While crossing the border from Nica, you can actually feel the tension decrease in the air... that just sets you up to relax your guard a bit. There's never a moment you are not watched n tracked.... if you look like you are anything. I remember when the US Ambassador hisself in SJ was 'home-invaded' ... they caught the suspects...who were then let out...and proceeded to calmly go back to the scene of the crime and shoot all the witnesses. Rough side of paradise.
Northern Panama was tempting. Lot's of expat ex-milli types who could see that Rica was over and moved at the right time. Good climate in the highlands. But already way overpriced. Honduras and Guat over-run with banditos. No road is safe anymore. Belize is a freak show. Nica way too full of ghosts.
If I had no other choice but Central America... I'd outfit a catamaran and take it over from the Keys to the coast and head up Rio Dulce. You can nestle real good up in there. But then again... if you had to pull out quickly... the river back would be a shooting gallery.
Unless your projected lifestyle post-SHTF is living life under siege... don't go there dude. Learn some Spanish and wait for the last of the Castro Bros to finally drop dead. Cubans are truly a joy. Too bad what "State" did to their country.
You could move to Chicago. Guns are not legal in Chicago
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-man-fatally-shot-i...
A teenaged boy and two men were shot and killed in three separate shootings Friday night and Saturday morning, according to authorities.
At least eight others were also shot overnight on the South and West Sides.
All of that was on the south side. Miracle mile has become a dangerous place of course. Gangs of kids openly and brazenly stalk and rob people there right on Michigan now. But mostly the north or "Cubs" side is saFE. well there was that 65 year old woman who was robbed and beaten to a pulp 8 blocks from my house in Old Irving last week. One of our aquaintances from our daughter's Lacrosse team visited her in the hospital. She was a friend of his mother. We just bought a house in Minnesota. Taxes are too high (not least because a person who USED to be a friend of my parents contested the governors race and split the conservative vote allowing Mark Dayton with his whopping 75 IQ to gain the mansion). But you can carry a gun there at least. And anyway the criminals are not as brazen or as numerous. Glad to be getting out of this hellhole.
Oh and with regard to the actual story here. What did oyu expect? The government has lost any veneer of credibility. But that is what happens when you elect third world thinking presidents. You get a third world republic. Pitchforks, tar and feathers are the anitdote.
Wise move leaving the city. I used to live there, then went to the burbs, and now have moved to a neighboring state but still frequent the city for work.
There is a noticable increase in the police presence on the Mag Mile. Unfortunately, it sacrifices security elsewhere. I take public tansit and walk around there often so I see the crap...and thats in the "good" areas! Walk down State Street, or take the pedway and you'll see a step up in the crap of the Mag Mile. That's a lot to put up with to pay 11% sales tax on your shopping!
thanks for the body count update B2. I remember last year they were trying for the homcide record. I don't think they quite made it. Maybe this year, since it is already over 80 degrees and not even June.
nice to see ya back amigo.
was about ready to start publishing your greatest hits!
Dood bro!
Apparently reports of my death were somewhat exaggerated. But that can change in a Bloomberg minute! Here on the new ZH... if my previous beyond the grave experiences are anything to go on... there be a big struggle for the helm goin on behind the curtain in Tylertown... no tellin who will end up in the drivers seat! Could be Roddy McDowells "Hell House" 2.0(Return of the Golem)!!!!
that said... hey! Everything they wrote in that Tibetan Book of the Dead thing was dead on! I even saw AnAnonymous... decked out in a DonHo costume... writing in from his hammock somewheres in the Honolulu suburbs! \scary shit!\
Hold the hits... for now... but how bouts an Irish wake? Any excuse will do for the Port o Down diaspora! Adelante amigo!
"Janissary" ..."BobEOre"... "JoyBoy" etc. etc., ... proud soulsurvivor of the putschist cabbalist continuum!
Welcome back to the land of the living.
...land of the living... you dropped the \sarc\ button right fuu? It may actually be that I'm taking a day trip on the River Styx visiting here... hard to know anymore!
Anyways thanks for the welcome back.... like another commentator said the other day here...
felt like a part of me went missing!
If at Faust you don't succeed, fry fry again.
nice one fuu
most excellent
I even saw AnAnonymous... decked out in a DonHo costume... writing in from his hammock somewheres in the Honolulu suburbs! \scary shit!\
haha, was he drinking pina coladas from a ILUVNY Big Gulp cup?
the Golem never dies as long as we continue to feed it energy. always good to remember some wise words from brother boo-da: the opposite of love is not hate, but indifference.
Got to admit ... I've always gone in more for the 'fierce protectors' of the lineage meme... Mahakala... Zhing Kyong... Hayagriva...
kinda tired of seeing the good guys always get beat up. So I do get sucked into grabbin the fiery sword... maybe it's a karma thang.
Once a warrior...
Your gentler vibes are always heard here... even if not emulated.
no doubt the warriors' blood runs deep thru the karma of many of us, if not all. it's simply a question of tactics methinks, most especially when you are playing the enemy's Game where they make up the Rules as they see fit (for them). many a warrior have given multiple lifetimes not to consider that unfortunate circumstance.
with that said, might be their Game with their Rules, but whose board is it?
but whose board is it?
We await the answer to that question... with baited breath. Perhaps "the nose what knows' will be by... bye the bye... to pick up the scent... and lead us on a merry chase to the fox(spirit)es lair!
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Japan/JAP-01-170513.html
ah yes, those fox spirits are wily ones fo sho.
Asked she: "Have I kept my fox-word?"
any guesses on who will choose/be chosen to play suteishi this merry go'round (and round)?
Amen!!
Checkout small towns in Arkansas or the mountains in Colorado.
I agree with almost everything. However, Northern Panama highlands are still attractive (more so for non US subjects) despite somewhat higher prices: Good climate, beautiful nature, no Obamacare but quality low priced healthcare, no tax on income generated outside of Panama, quite safe, friendly locals and many interesting and smart Expats. However, as always, don't put all eggs in one basket.
What's the disadvantage for Yanks up there?
US subjects pay tax in the US (on worldwide income) even if they live in Panama, but as far as I know, other nationals only pay where they reside.
Forget South America. And I have been to Brazil several times being married to a Brazilian. While better than the rest, it is still a third world country. Lived in Euorpe half my life. Unless you like big government this won't turn youn on much plus its very hard to get permanent papers. My choice (as long as you are not wanted by the law) is to get yourself 10 acres in a more remote section of NC, WA, WV. You can do pretty much whatever you want then.
Thailand is worth a look. Nice, passive (Buddhist) culture and people. Modern medical facilities and infrastructure. Low cost of living. Good climate (if you like warm and tropical). And the best part >> the government does not tax the crap out of the people to give to their cronies. My understanding is that they get most of their tax "revenues" from the large corporations and luxury imports. Some corruption, certainly... but if you lay low and keep out of trouble you don't have any problems.
PM me if you want more details...
not to overlook Burkina Faso which, by definition, is the "Land of honest people".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burkina
among the landlocked african states, it is the one with various police forces operating under the commands of the ministers of defense, administration, and security.
plus there are identity spot-checks to ensure your safety.
its chief export is gold, which you can sell to acquire CFA francs printed by the central bank of west african states http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Bank_of_the_West_African_States
you think the dollar is strong? wait til you meet the cfa franc. it's overdue for devaluation (but what currency isn't) http://www.exchange-rates.org/history/USD/XAF/G/30
its president-for-life executed his predecessor and also executed his two fellow Triumvirates -- a real take-charge execut-ive who doesn't need an NDAA to get things done.
all in all, a lot like being in the US or a western european country.
...just don't say anytyhing bad about the King or you will feel the wrath of the Thai government. This is no joke. So, you are not free there either just like most places. But yes, cost of living is way cheap and a Thai girlfriend is very easy to find, no matter how old you are.
I knew a creepy guy that used to go there on vacation by himself. Pretty sure he was "renting" children during his stay. I hope he's dead right now.
Renting children? He's probably a senior White House official by now. At least a Senator.
Paraguay and Uruguay.
"Any other suggestions?"
Learn chinese.
It might be helpful when the red hoard comes up from the Panama canal to wipe out almost everything from there, to the North Alaskan border.
My daughter is learning Mandarin Chinese. I told her tutor to teach her "don't shoot daddy".
My wife is from the Philippines. We are planning to move to the mountains around Baguio. Cool weather there and it is easy to get along in english just about anywhere in the Philippines.
The government there is just as corrupt as what we have here. I don't know if there is anywhere to run from this. Time to stand up, organize and confront the madness.
I agree.
Agree 100%.
I ran once and I'm not doing it again.
If you can't bring some kind of self defense because of their policies, then you're a moron to even consider it. Good luck.
Not waiting anymore, building a LARGE house of dreams (with cheap mortgage $) on lake +300N of city ... will include generator, own water .. offering a family friend "paramiitary/prepper/MMA fighter" safe harbor for he, his wife (an RN) + baby. He's bringing enough weaponry to launch a D-day invasion. Plus ... he make a wicked smoked venison sausage.
Zombie magnet. Bring plenty of ammo.
Uhhhhh... in a real armageddon scenario you really think the zombies would not find you?
Its just another falacy like the one I fell for...Get guns with common ammo like 223 and 9mm because that will always be around...right? NOT!
The stuff actually on shelves now include 17HMR and 222 Remington. Oh, yes and shotgun ammo. That is the truly the most usefull stuff there is...feed yourself and blow up bad guys.
The common ammo philosophy has everything to do with what will be in the field after the SHTF, and nothing to do with what's currently on the shelf at Walmart. The fact that Walmart, BassPro, Gander Mtn, etc. are constantly out of these ammo types should reinforce this for you. Also, there is plenty of .223, 9mm, etc. available online, it just costs a good bit more than it used to...but ask yourself this, if you really think SHTF is a possibility, do you want to run short on ammo just because you weren't willing to spend a little extra money? $0.60/round will seem very cheap in retrospect when 10 guys are coming your way and you're down to your last nine rounds.
Not waiting anymore, building a LARGE house of dreams (with cheap mortgage $) on lake +300N of city ... will include generator, own water .. offering a family friend "paramiitary/prepper/MMA fighter" safe harbor for he, his wife (an RN) + baby. He's bringing enough weaponry to launch a D-day invasion. Plus ... he make a wicked smoked venison sausage.
Sorry, building just one
You can't bring it (import) but you can get it can be had once you are there. Did you think of that before you called me a moron?
Don't let the name caller bother you.
When the SHTF he'll be somewhere in Latin America surrounded by natives shouting: kill the gringo.
Better get here fast .... it is getting crowded. And Lois is nowhere to be seen. Aint perfect but no stormtroopers in evidence.
Just a word to the wise---the car rental places in Costa Rica quote you one price when you reserve in advance and then jack the price up when you arrive in person, and by that point there is not much you can do about it. I'm ready to leave the US as well, but then I remember that a lot of the countries I would like to go to don't exactly operate based on "the rule of law" either. It's a dilemma for certain.
Government employees getting bonuses?? WTF is that all about? It's like ticket quotas for cops. You know for a fact these parasites don't get bonuses for saving taxpayer money so that leaves going 'above and beyond' in achieving some twisted bureaucratic mumbo jumbo that invariably translates to serving government objectives ie..screwing taxpayers.
I can't wait for this crap to finally implode.
yeah, and how oxymoronic is the word revenue in IRS?
Time to give our friend RICO a call yet?
Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, commonly referred to as the RICO Act or simply RICO, is a United States federal law that provides for extended criminal penalties and a civil cause of action for acts performed as part of an ongoing criminal organization. The RICO Act focuses specifically on racketeering, and it allows the leaders of a syndicate to be tried for the crimes which they ordered others to do or assisted them, closing a perceived loophole that allowed someone who told a man to, for example, murder, to be exempt from the trial because he did not actually do it.
A Chicago tailored cure for a Chicago tailored illness.
Been there, done that. Wasted 2 years, Feds settled case for 5% of specified penalty (and the violator wasn't even anyone the Feds wanted to protect). The feds will never use RICO against their own.
Awesome. Now we will have a new Federal Agency ala homeland security to enforce obummer care. Hope you like bigger government.
"Some trust fund prosecutor, got off-message at Yale thinks he's gonna run this up the flagpole? Make a name for himself? Maybe get elected some two-bit congressman from nowhere, with the result that Russia or China can suddenly start having, at our expense, all the advantages we enjoy here? No, I tell you. No, sir! Corruption charges! Corruption? Corruption is government intrusion into market efficiencies in the form of regulations. That's Milton Friedman. He got a goddamn Nobel Prize. We have laws against it precisely so we can get away with it. Corruption is our protection. Corruption keeps us safe and warm. Corruption is why you and I are prancing around in here instead of fighting over scraps of meat out in the streets. Corruption is why we win." -- Danny Dalton in Syriana
If found, please clone or 3D print him many , many times.
"Where's John Wilkes Booth when you need him?
I don't know.....
But wheres Joe Stack when you need him...?"
Probably in Heaven.
Wow, that's brave or something.
what do you call it when people you don't approve of are taxed at a higher rate and denied medical care
there's a name for that
SheepFukker. I think we have one guy here with the name like this.
Try to stay focused, FinalCollapse. Try to stay focused.
italy's style, bitches!
If Nancy Pelosi and Maxine Waters can linger on in perpetuity, should this woman be denied?
Always take the free throw seriously.
You see anything is possible in Obamaville.
The guillotine now knows. hujel
Tyler X had a Santelli gab this week on how it would be if he (Rick) had heart problems.
That was quick, and I don't mean the Omaha bathtub toy.
naaaaah, American Idol judges have waaaaay more credibility that any US government official.
Of course.
You never actually leave the Politburo-you just get shifted around.
Timing is a bitch 'tho.
Hey, it works for pedophile priests in the Catholic Church, why not IRS employees?
It's frustrating watching people who WANT to give up their freedoms to the government, thinking something better will come in the end. Is it not obvious this will be the outcome EVERY FUCKING TIME? I can't believe they could be so stupid to think.........
Sorry, I got distracted by the chick with the BIG tits in the "chinesewomendate.com" add on the left column. What was I saying? Ah, fuck it. You know where I was going with this. Carry on.
LOL +1000
Wow, I passed 50,000 and my 2nd "platimum" status from DoNotTrackMe which means no "chinesewomendate.com" on the left column or some lame buy GLD ads ........ memories.
I guess this post is just between me and the NSA?
Merde! She was distracting me too!
those f'n peds are true believers in communism...brought in to destroy one of the instituions that keeps america, america. the catholic church is truly patriotic, except where you find commies within and sadly they are huge. the true believer need not be told what to do.
I have been audited and I can just imagine the response from the IRS if I said that I didn't know or can't remember. It really is time to hang all these fuckers from the nearest lamppost. Democrat, Republican, wall street, Bernake, and any other public official that doesn't start working for the fucking public.
The thing that makes me the sickest is how these homo republicans are dealing with a chance to get rid of that cocksuckng Obama. They are more of a problem than the party in power as they just sit there and pretend they fucking care. I would hang them first and then alll those fuckers in the other party.
Fuck me.
Be-cause ..... It's difficult to throw out the baby (Obama) and not the batherwater (the corrupt Ponzi system).
It's always a matter of Boolean logic
[If] (Obama) = "so bad I can't keep my racket going" [Then] "Throw Him Out" [Else] Keep it going.
save a few repubs please...your choice.
You think Obungler is a diktator, wait until the next Bush boy gets in ;-)
Sarah Hall Ingram gave me a rusty trombone in high school
only the dirtiest of dirty birds can pull that off.
Oh, so that is where she learned to blow so well...
she was a he, may still be.
Well, that image just put me in the corner of the room, shaking violently in the fetal position for about 20 minutes.
Surprise ;-)
Now, about that colonoscopy...
And what was it you said that time on ZeroHedge about Leader Obalamah? Oh, I'm sorry I didn't mean to hurt you. Discomfort? How can that be with a gubamint colonoscopy?
Nothing like a cheese grater up the ole poop shoot to get those nasty polyps out.
Its FDA approved now ;-)
Here, if I squeeze your nut-sack and squash your testes with this pliers you won't feel the cheese grader pain in your arse...
Comes standard... those opiates are addictive, you know, FDA outlawed then long ago for anybody on the government programs
Shut up! It's for your own good, damn it!
There are enough sociopaths in healthcare without being officially sanctioned by Obamacare. They'l be fearless now.
Correct Jena.
Now they will have license and law (not just mere advice anymore) to run our lives as they see fit.
Now the premise will be (as with all socialist societies must be and always are) that what you do individually, inflicts damage on the whole...very totalitarian.
The saving grace is they will come into the bedroom as well as the restaurant and grocery store, eventually ;-)
If they come into the bedroom and restaurant does that mean we get to fuck and eat them?
Bread and circuses, all over again.
Amazing how we get back to the real basics, no?
It always comes back to the basics.
Does anyone think that with a national database (contained within the IRS) of known or "at risk" people that it won't happen...knowing what we know now?
Its metaphysical, eugenic, certainty to me.
I think mostly Obamacare will be a denial of service for many, based on Ezekial Emanual's Complete Lives.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezekiel_J._Emanuel
Betsy McCaughy wrote about it in the WSJ:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297020370660457437446328009867...
My problem with Emanuel's thesis is that there are high-functioning people at age 60 and low-functioning people at 40. More ought to be considered than just the age of the person when resources are considered. Dialysis? Definitely! CABG? Perhaps, if all other options have been exhausted. Organ transplant? Eh, perhaps, depending on which one.
Certainly the most healthcare dollars are spent in the last years of life. The problem is that you don't know when the last years of life are going to be. Instead, how about considering what medical care is delivered? How about more effort to get people to understand what a living will and medical power of attorney are and why they need them? Get families to understand that their loved ones wishes are iron-clad and it doesn't matter if they have unfinished business with Mom and Dad -- the ventilator is going to be turned off because that's not how they wanted to spend their remaining time.
Without legal documentation spelling out what your exact wishes are, you must understand that paramedics will do everything to save you, which is good in an most situations. It's not so great if you've been without a pulse or breath for over say, five to seven minutes but they'll do it all anyhow. The chance of you walking out of the hospital is slim to none in that situation but they'll do it all anyhow. Heroic measures will continue in the ER and if you're basically healthy now, you may well make it to the ICU where you'll linger -- perhaps for months. Multiple procedures will take place before you eventually die, all without leaving that ICU. Perhaps multiple surgeries as well.
And that is how the greatest amount of healthcare dollars get spent in the last months of life.
People must understand that when there is no hope of any recovery, it's better to pull the plug sooner rather than later because just because you can doesn't mean you should. (That doesn't mean that I don't cherish life because I do. But quality is vastly under-rated and if the public only knew what happens behind those doors of the ICU they'd be far more ready to let their loved ones go.)
What's coming next is mandatory vaccinations Nmewn. I can feel it in my bones. We're in the fight for our lives. Remember the "accidental" contamination of simian virus ( SV40) in polio vaccine and how it was considered not significant. SV 40 has been found in human cancers but they claim they can't PROVE it caused those cancers. With mandatory vaccination we are all human guinea pigs at the whim of a fascistic state with no recourse.
Miffed;-)
I'm beginning to think that every atom in the Universe is against us...
Virtually all of it is dumb matter.
The problem is that most humans are dumb matter too.
My religion forbids those.
Dr Mary's Monkey, I think it was.....
Scary stuff.
Quite long, but fascinating. Includes Lee Harvey Oswald.
Why we are ALL sick - Dr R.E. Tent: It’s not Autoimmune – You Have Viruses!
http://youtu.be/r8FCJ_VPyns
That really was worth watching. Holy crap.
It occurs to me that maybe one could take advantage of the massive paperwork in healthcare while it still exists when it comes to the issue of vaccines:
My doc asks me if I've gotten a particular vaccine when I see him. (For some, this is an annual visit.) The last time I got a flu vaccine (years ago) I did it at a drugstore. So he checks off the box in my chart. I gave the drugstore my insurance card when I got the vaccine but it didn't cover much of the cost -- it was more or less tracking information it seems.
Instead, how about I tell the doc that yes, I got the vaccine but in reality I didn't. If at some point I'm asked about the no insurance record, I say I paid in cash since the insurance company didn't save me any money anyhow.
For the record, I did what they wanted and got vaccinated. My doctor is covered because his records show I am compliant and so is he. But I got my way and am less contaminated as a result.
Hey, easy on the MDs, guys.
The pretty one snoring next to me is definitely NOT down with any of this shit. Although, if it goes through, she may not be "allowed" to remove and treat that nasty GBM tumor your cellphone gave you.
Unless, of course, you are a member of the US Congress.
Neat, isn't it?
lol...I don't think anyone is against medical professionals (I'm not anyways) its just that patient-doctor relationship has always been voluntary, with the patient having the final say.
If Angelina wants her boobs cut off, thats her decision. But there was no evidence of cancer. To me its kinda like Howard Hughes toward the end of his life...having more money than common sense, letting paranoia shape his every action.
No, no. I'm not against the docs. I said healthcare. It's everyone a patient encounters, from the tech of all stripes all the way up the chain into administration. There are plenty of decent people too but some of the coldest people I ever met who don't belong anywhere near a sick, helpless person just happened to be wearing either scrubs or a suit and working in a hospital.
Understood. I doubted either of you we're taking that position...at least I hoped not, since both of your opinions on most things are ones I share.
There are two distinct issues tied up in ball over this story:
The preventive procedure, which I've seen really good first hand data for
The expensive and, in what I consider unlawful screening procedure for the presence of this gene or genes in question. These genes are patented. The procedure costs in the neighborhood of 2-3K precisely because of that claimed patent. Your genes owned by a company. I have a serious issue with this part of the story. It's a question that will soon be settled by the Supreme Court. I hope it's shot down, it's a racket. its like claiming ownership over individual elements in the periodic table when they were being discovered and named. That would be ridiculous, but if the table were being developed and researched in today's legal landscape, you bet each one would be. You'd pay Dow a royalty for the Al in you soda can.
JEESUS? Sharp Cheddar<
I thought it smelled more like Limburger but then again I'm not especially schooled in anal probings?
Long Dr. Jelly Finger, knuks.
God I hate that.
My doc is a woman who I absolutely think the world of.
My medical includes a fairly comprehensive annual checkup and this last year when she was doing the rubber jelly job her fist banged up against my nuts as she was wiggling her hand all about.
I thought I was gonna die.
Jesus.... Felt like I'd been kicked in the glots and then with all the grease all over...
Whadda nightmare
Thanks for reminding me and I'm sure everybody's thankful I've shared something about my biodiversity on this slow Fridays eve.
But then again, what's more disturbing?
My recollection, or Jack Lew forecasting 3+% growth?
I ask you?
What's more frequent? Getting the jelly job during an annual physical or 3% growth?
Unfortunately, Jelly....
Errr Ummmm ok?
Yes. I'm fine, thanks.
See ya manana. I'm tired.
Sleep well.
Blessings
I had a female Doc give me a prostate exam once. In return, I gave her a sperm sample...
I'm sure you did HULK.
Knukles,
You have to pick doctors, partcularly urologists, with small hands.
Cheese grater, my arse...
these bastards play for keeps...
They'll resort to the old medieval torture of a red-hot poker up the 'ol poop shoot!
LOL! I had a co-worker 10-15 yrs or so ago that seemed to like going in for a yearly colonoscopy when they were all the rage (maybe they still are, I don't care). I gave him so much shit he told me I was "abraisively straightforward". LOL. Another coworker at the time reached whatever age was deemed necessary for the procedure and was terrified of going in for it. I told her it was the latest medical scam to collect ins. $ and it was like deer in the headlights.
Its exit only and has always been my philosophy ;-)
Well, you don't sound scared enough, goddammit! Like Jolie whacking off healthy tits 'cause they "might" develop cancer. Like she can't afford the best (future) treatment should that occur. Shit's gettin' thick these days on all levels.
Yeah, now that is just fucking crazy train shit.
Insane.
And in saw the other day she was having another operation done for the same reason... no I didn't read it, I'd had enough with the tit-job.
Jesus... The original Tyler Durden winds up with Jennifer Aniston and the Titless Jolie.
Maybe she'll endorse a new line of golf balls. Titless Pink with the cancer ribbon on 'em.
Oh, this is so fucked up....
Seriously