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Auditing The IRS: "Is There Any Limit To The Scope Where You Folks Can Go?"
While it does have all the impromptu genuineness of a made for C-Span soap opera, the following exchange between Rep. Mile Kelly (PA) and the IRS' commissioner Miller was the highlight of yesterday's grilling of the IRS by the House Ways and Means committee, because rehearsed or not, it does capture the prevalent sentiment the US public harbors not only toward its tax collectors, but the government in general.
"The IRS can do almost anything they want to anybody they want any time they want. This is very chilling for the American people.... This is a Pandora's box that has been opened. The American people should be outraged and they are. This has nothing to do with political parties - this has to do with highly targeted groups. This reconfirms everything that the American public believes. This is a huge blow to the faith and trust the American people have in their government. Is there any limit to the scope of where you folks can go? Is there there any question that you should have asked: how much money do you have in your wallet, who do you get emails from, whose sign do you put up in your front yard: this ia tax question? The fact that you all can do just about anything you want to anybody: you can put anybody out of business any time you want.... I think the American people have seen what's going on right now in the their government. This is absolutely an overreach and this is an outrage for all Americans."
And while contemplating these questions, let's make government even bigger, and also why has that pesky Second amendment not been overturned yet?
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It's time for a tax boycott. Millions not filing tax returns. (It's not like they need the money ... Ben prints far more than they collect).
See how they like them apples....
get busy tryin or get busy dyin
molon labe
Time is near
this looks like an hegelian set up (dump on the irs) and a prelude to a vat sales tax (national and international). i have an associate in england who says the most feared agency in that country is the vat auditors. think homeland security and tsa armed with calculators.
We just need one good person to run for president in 2016 who will dismantle the federal government by executive orders. Hell Obama can grow it the same way. We just need to involve some shyster lawers who know how to reinterpret the laws.
taxes are like cooling rods in a reactor. they absorb inflation/devaluation like heat in a reactor.
we have exported all our wage inflation to the slave nations, this is the only type of inflation the fed looks at. it will never return.
the fed prints as much as it wants, as the banks and government need for wars and giant bonuses. we can now see.
TAXES ARE COMPLETELY OBSOLETE unless the armed irs can be used for HARASSMENT.
just came back from tptb meeting
they sed to tell everybody 'wazzup'
also, they wanted feedback on their latest idea to topple uncle sam by having the media and the 'lawmakers' kneecap the sole revenue intake mechanism for the gub
they felt it was time to accelerate the process of defaulting and/or hyper-de-inflating
send your feedback on the audit-the-irs meme to B Diller, c.o. D v Furstenburg board of directors, c.o. Coca Cola board of directors, c.o. Washington Post board of directors, c.o. Newsweek Daily Beast, c.o. Paramount Pictures
ps gold 950
While it's true that 'tptb' (the KKK, aka J+A) are trying to kneecap 'uncle sam', the children of 'uncle sam' (ie. the people) also need uncle sam to be put out to pasture (or the glue factory).
The difference is that if 'tptb' kneecap uncle sam, they will impose authoritarian rule ... if the people kneecap uncle sam, they can rule themselves via local community organisation and rebuild from there.
Let the fuckers try to herd cats!!! (It's the central planer's worst nightmare!)
Like apparently everyone else, I don't know what to make of this comment so I'm abstaining from clicking up or down . . .
That's fine. I'm not seeking validation.
At least some, er, one or two [seemed to have] got it. It's a [very tiny] start....
The entire idea of an income tax lacks a moral basis, because this is what happens when you don't have 100% ownership of your labor. If you work for a terrible boss, you can quit your job, and your old boss can't abuse you anymore. But if you are subject to an income tax, you can never quit; you are perpetually subject to the whims of your master, the tax man.
The income tax MUST be abolished. I don't want to hear any bullshit about a "fair tax" or a "flat tax". It MUST BE ABOLISHED COMPLETELY, NOW AND FOREVER. Until it is, we are slaves, and slaves eventually get treated like slaves.
i don't think many people, present company excluded, know that there was no tax before 1915 and even then, at the start it was only on 2% of earnings and was voluntary. this is how creeping incrementalism works.
prior to 1915 the limited republic government was completely funded by tariffs,on goods coming into this country.
imagine what you life would be like without taxes, why are we not working towards a system
like that instead of away from it? because we have been converted to debt slaves by the fed and its franchisees banks.
one day the word treason will be applied, properly to the fed.
Not only that but the "Federal Income Tax" was meant to ONLY tax the income of Federal employees, hence the name. Should be read as Federal-Income Tax. I don't make Federal income, you? Obviously it, along with every other spirit of most laws, has been basterdized beyond comprehension or recourse.
Still is Voluntary.
Except when they deduct it automatically.
"i don't think many people, present company excluded, know that there was no tax before 1915"
Of course we're not taught that in public schools. You think they might mention it once during our 12-year imprisonment, but that would go against the entire purpose of public schools: to create obedient slaves.
A free person owns his labor.
We are serfs and have been again for 100 years. I have said this before - serfs in the middle ages owed their feudal lords at least 3 days of labor a week up to as much as 6 in later in times in Poland and possibly Russia. The rest of the time was theirs to use to care for the plots of land alloted to them (that they did not own) to grow their own food. Hunting and fishing was forbidden them. All game belonged to the lord and if they were caught filching as much as a rabbit they could pay with their lives. Their feudal lord held his fief at the sufference of the king and owed him certain duties and obligations. They did not own their land either, and the king could take it at any time and give it to another if he was provoked enough. All land belonged to the government then and does to this day - you are alloted the use of it as long as you pay your rent in property taxes. The revenue act of 1913 effectively reduced the citizens of the United States to the condition of servitude of serfs once again and we don't have just one lord to worry about, but the state and the county and the town, as well. In the US, everthing taken into consideration, the usual wage slave is paying out at least 6 months wages in some form of taxation.
well said. the fed in 100 years has stolen america and enslaved a free nation to debt it creates out of thin air.
and step one was confisgate all the free peoples real money by the feds banks. treason.
I'm going to quit reading ZH. You people are depressing the hell outta me.
You are, of course, correct.
You must have always known in your heart of hearts that you are chattel. Claiming a right to part or all of the fruits of your labor is the very definition of slavery.
What kind of infantile mind comes up with simplifications as ignorant as "you can quit your job"?
- And while you're "quitting your job", what exactly does one do for food and shelter?
- Why won't the next boss treat you just as badly as the last again? What incentive do they have to do otherwise?
- If "just quitting your job" is a valid solution then why isn't "just dont' work if you don't want to pay taxes" ?
Really? I'd address your points but if that's the best argument you can muster, my time is better spent teaching my cat to crochet a nice sweater.
It's not an argument, it's a query as to exactly how fucking stupid you really are.
Answer received in spades.
Quit my job and I live off food stamps, welfare and an Obama phone. It's all free. Thanks for your support.
You get em Tiger!
Read "Enjoy the Decline" by Aron Clarey. I earn far more than I need to live on. Instead of quitting my job, I could tell my boss that henceforth, i'll be working part time, and earning only enough to keep me in the tax-free* 47 percent. It's looking more attractive all the time.
(*) Yeah, i know, the 47% still pay SS and Medicare. Doesn't change my point.
one good person? that is the dream and the oasis that will never happen.
The answer is millions of people taking govt back, decentralizing power back to state/local.
It takes every one of us, not some freakin savior in DC.
Seeing as how the trilateral commission completely controls the nomination process for both major parties, the odds of an honest man (or woman) ever being elected president stand at roughly one in a trillion.
"We just need one good person to run for president in 2016 who will dismantle the federal government by executive orders."
Do you remember when Ronald Reagan was running for president? As soon as he was nominated the Rockefeller agents Gerald Ford and GHW Bush showed up. For almost two weeks the news headlines revolved around calls for a co-presidency with Bush. Bush was ex-DCI and Rockefeller TLC (Tri-Lateral Commission) member. A groundswell of opposition began to arise over Bush's TLC membership so Bush resigned from the TLC (this was like resigning from the mob)! The push was on and Reagan was pressured to bring GHWB on as the VP candidate (at this point, Reagan was merely a "placeholder" for Bush). Reagan had promised to eliminate the Depts of Education and Energy and to begin reducing the size of the government. The day of his Inauguration RR began to effectuate his promises. A mere 2 months later RR was the subject of an assassination attempt- a .22 cal HP containing small amounts of poison and explosive. The explosive failed to ignite and release the poison but even at that the round almost entered his heart. The attempted assassin John W. Hinckley Jr. was the son of a close personal friend of Bush! While RR was in hospital VP Bush took over as president for the rest of RR's two terms.
When Pres. Kennedy threatned to "Cut the CIA into a thousand pieces an cast it to the winds" and then added insult to injury by signing E.O. 11,110 to restore constitutional money issuance to the government that was too much- he had "to go", so he did.
The point is that we are up against huge evil forces and have been for a long time, and most citizens/sheep don't have a clue. The type of president you are hoping for, if he ever shows up, will not last a single day!
E.O.'s that reduce our rights work for this and past presidents because and only because, the powers behind the curtain support them.
We are being rounded-up and put in the pen by use of bribes and threats. Once there the next stop is the ABBATOIR!
We are up against powerful forces, all right, but you are still confused. The force we are up against are women voters. The influence that they wield is stunningly obvious - they comprise a clear majority of the electorate, and are a rock-solid vote for the welfare state.
Read your history - the income tax and alcohol prohibition could not have been enacted without women's suffrage. Because the ladies don't want you wasting your hard-earned pay on beer, when they have so many more important uses for it.
Just a tweak to your post, Nick: "SOME women voters."
I am not one of those women...but I do agree they are an issue. I cannot figure out what is wrong with that portion of my sex. It's like some genetic flaw - a few of us have said that it's like you can look around and pick 'em out in a crowd, I swear.
Income Tax Amendment 1913.
Women's Suffrage Amendment 1920.
Every woman I know is a rock-solid beer drinking conservative
A bit out of date.VAT in the UK used to be collected by Customs and Excise, while income
tax used to be Inland Revenue Service.C & E has really draconian powers.
Anyway they abolished their IRS in the UK, and put all tax collection under Customs and Excise.
C & E don't need pesky warrants.liens, or supoena's.They are truly a law unto themselves.
Way back then ,everyone ,including myself, dreaded a visit from the VATman.
"cuz i'm the VAT man...yeahhhhh. the VAT man yeah." obviously the purpose of massive aggregations of wealth (if successful) is to "avoid all those pesky rules." that's why setting up tax shelters really is a rather odd approach. "you're just drawing attention to yourself." especially when the tax shelterer in chief becomes "your" Treasury Secretary. simply put Capital has won this fight. Government might THINK it's in the game with "rule making authority" and "deep opprobrium" of "all those law breakers out there" ("yo, bro...remember who bought you before you got elected") we really have reached the phase of "money talks, bullshit walks." i would draw the line at about 100 million at this point (with more to come) "and hence the case for de jure immunity from all dat sheet" (depending on location of course. 100 million would probably get you laughed at of the bulk of the Big Boys Clubs in New York City.) i'm skeptical of this recovery but not because it isn't real or "there" but because the euphoria in equities seems quit the mismatch. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB9YIsKIEbA
the irs doesnt need to destroy everyone, it needs to destroy those who know their rights.
the patriot movement has been going on in michigan for decades and when the movement of free
people reached a peak the ok bombing happened to shut it down like ruby ridge and waco lifted it up.
the irs targets people. people who know the money system is a fraud, the country is being stolen by bankers,
the taxation system is corrupt at best, and we the people have been turned into slaves from free men and women.
Some people have no desire to steal, some people have no limit to their desire to steal.
The latter gravitate towards government.
Sometimes they will steal for you and act like they gave it to you personally. These are called collectivists. They will keep doing it as long as your worship and thank them. This is why they love government. They are generally without useable skills but they become demigods in government.
Bravo Mike Kelly!
Thank you for saying
what we're thinking.
I hope the audit goes well.
This IRS story was a plant. It all started a few weeks ago when the outgoing IRS head had a question planeted. My only guess is to take the spotlight off Benghazi, which is the real story all people should be focusing on.
This is an interesting point.
"My only guess is to take the spotlight off Benghazi, which is the real story all people should be focusing on."
It's more important to focus on Benghazi than the banksters?
They needed a big distraction from Benghazi that points directly to Obama. WHY?
Hilary Clinton 2016.
We gotta keep driving the wedge between Clintons and obama and they'll try and destroy each other. Which will be good start for America.
Ever wonder if they're trying to goad people into violence.
Or maybe just flipping us all the bird. What're you gonna do about it?
Me, I have littles to think of and an old dad who will eventually need my help, otherwise I'd be out. Latin america, chile, new zealand etc.
I can't fight unless it's to die instead of go to camp. Sorry guys, I'll sway opinion for you, "not see anything", leave material assistance with ploausible deniability, maybe even patch you up when hurt but otherwise I can't get involved.
I didn't choose serf life, serf life chose me.
There is a theory that the TLC wants Hiliary in 2016 and is willing to sacrifice Oblo now to save her political skin.
I'm too busy being outraged. In fact, I've been outraged for so long ... it's just outrageous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBCq8XDgrP0
"I'm too busy being outraged"
I stopped being outraged a long time ago. There was just too much to be outraged about and I'd burst an artery if I continued to care.
Now, I'm just completely cynical and am completely justified in being so. I like people in general, but I avoid discussing the most important issues with them because they will invariably spout the propaganda BS they've been fed daily since birth, believing it and never making the effort to find that most of the crap they've been told is either completely incorrect, misrepresented, oversimplified, or just plain lies.
Yes, "outrage fatigue"... is it in the DSM?
Peter: "What I'm sayin' is, that each day is worse than the day before."
Dr.: "Wow. That's fucked up."
Peter: "Isn't there like a pill you can give me, maybe make it so I think I was fishing all day?"
Dr.: "Well, Peter, it really doesn't work like that."
-- Office Space
P.S. It actually does kinda work like that....
It doesn't even bother me coming from the average person.
I went to a magnet school, all the kids there were bright, many ridiculously smart.
To listen to these people with genius level IQ talk, knowing they have refused to think for themselves. That really chaps my ass.
Race Car Driver, are you Quoting Obama ?
who the fuck is hegel?
I think he was a contestant on "American Idol".
He performed a little dance number called "I sing the body dialectic".
He lost.
I think the face and hair glitter turned the judges off.
Why would Miller be outraged at doing what he was told to do? As a true believer, it was his pleasure to do and die for the little emperor.
FORWARD SOVIET! FORWARD the NEW BUKHARIN!
Jesus this is socialist hell incarnate again (OT but needs to be seen/known):
EU to ban refillable olive oil jugs and dipping bowls
The European Commission is to ban the use of refillable bottles and dipping bowls of olive oil at restaurant tables from next year.
From 1 January 2014, restaurants may only serve olive oil in tamper-proof packaging, labelled to EU standards.
The Commission, the EU's executive branch, says the move will protect consumers and improve hygiene.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22579896
What the... I don't even...
Next, the EU will make illegal reusable water bottles, so that the people can be protected and hygenic with Nestle's water (blood and tears of third worlders sold separately)
Is it the 1st of April today in the EU? ...The more I read things like this, the more it looks like every day is April Fool's day out there..
That's fucking idiotic.
Did they ever solve the trash "problem" in Naples, or does these bottles just get thrown on top of everything else?
This over-regulation only serves to drive up prices, drive restaurants out of business, and create a lucrative new racket for black market "repackaging"
Or Business as Usual, as it's called in Brussels.
This is what the liberals want, an idiotic police state that tells you what to do every second of your life. They are control freaks who can't mind their own business.
From the people who want to tell others whether or not they can be married, give trans-vaginal ultrasounds, and flip the fuck out every time a nipple appears on television.
Fucking hypocrite.
What a coincidence...this is also what the Republicans want!
They either did or recently will pass a bill making growing plants from your own seeds illegal.
I bet monsatan was happy with that. wink wink
Complete dependancy. I guess tap water is suspect, all the pipes are old. Better only drink bottled water. For your own good.
Plus, the pthalates makes the mens grow some nice titties.
Drink Brawndo, its got electrolytes!
Europe has hygiene? Have you ever smelled them?
FORWARD SOVIET! FORWARD BAN!
Call your Congressman and your Senator and demand that the IRS cease and desist. Demand that Obamacare either be repealed in it's entirety or never implemented with the IRS involved. Posting on web sites is great for airing it out but could you imagine the phone calls these mf'ers would be fielding if we all called as much as we post comments. Before you down arrow give it a try.
> Posting on web sites is great for airing it out but could you imagine the phone calls these mf'ers would be fielding if we all called as much as we post comments.
Why ... just imagine if everyone did just this when Paulson demanded a bailout in '07. They would have been shakin' in their shoes.
Oh, wait ....
I junked ya for suggesting good and decent folks waste their precious time on bullshit.
It's a poor argument when Paulson was never voted into office ever. I understand your point though. I assumed down arrows would come from those that are too lazy to pick up their cell phone and use google to get their rep or senator phone number to call and express a desire to change the direction of a failing republic.
Failing?
The Republic failed long ago. Definitely after the 17th amendment when the states lost their representation, most put the date when Lincoln destroyed the republic to save it.
pods
Obama puts the government on a route to fascism/communism(pick your poison) and you are talking about Lincoln. I don't follow the logic.
Jesus Harold Christ were you born LAST NIGHT?
Seriously, I can't even begin to comprehend someone with such tunnel vision.
pods
You are entitled to your opinion. And your solution is?
You need a phat history lesson mang, your knowledge base is relatively incomplete.
Naameenmang?
Get stupid, dumb, and hyphy, and ride the yellow bus.
Already on it.
History? You mean the Common Core History you were taught or the one I've had taught to me?
simple: The Republic of Texas
Panarchism
More like Woodrow Wilson did,then FDR, now Obozo.
All democrats.
I know, right! If only we got a conservative in there, it would be all lollipops and sunshine!
Am I in the Twilight Zone? Is this still Zerohedge?
Did I secretly get transported to a fucking Yahoo message board?
"Call your representative and tell them you will vote them out."
"Fucking democrats did it, yep, now where is my beer?"
I give up.
pods
The problem is not democrats. The problem is we have a fucking Marxist running the country.
I guess it all depends on who you think is running the country. I guess it also depends on whether one is a toolbox, or not.
I junked you just to pile on.
...absolutely correct about Lincoln
Don't you pay attention to that nice young man, Glenn Beck?
When was the last time a true constitutionalist/conservative was president? The republican presidents have all been neocons. The republican party is controlled by neocons while the democrats are controlled by marxists
Neocons (fascists) are uber-republicans.
Marxists are uber-democrats.
I tend to agree with your statement. How do you acount for the German Nazi (National Socialist Democrat) party? I think that fascists come from both sides.
At least it's an ethos.....
Fascists are socialists that have adapted to the modern world's positive-sum economics.
The political "spectrum" is actually two-dimensional, NOT one!
To hell with what they're called and what they believe. When do I get to start using all these bullets I've been stockpiling? I'm ready for some real change we can all believe in . . .
How can a myth be president?
Dependth, ith she a thexy myth?
1928.
The best way to understand political ideology is Jonathan Haidt's Righteous Mind. Perhaps if people gained more of an understanding of their beliefs and their reactions to other people's beliefs, there would be a greater chance of freedom.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Righteous-Mind-Politics-Religion/dp/0307377903...
Yeah man, come on, join the nascar crowd. Watch fox news and get with the program!
It's not like repubs and dems have the same masters or anything.
After all, Reagan did not quintuple the budget, Bush did not double it or anything.
The pace quickens and, I'll give you labamba blows (figuratively and literally) but..
I've long since decided to politely nod whenever anyone says it's one or the other. You can't fix stupid.
Did I secretly get transported to a fucking Yahoo message board?
LOL!
Sunshine, Lolipops, and Rainbows
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQmBXEZEYtg
Everybodys All, don't take it so personally. People are riled up. The Lincoln thing is historical argument. I occassionally get into discussions on it myself. The argument is when the republic started going downhill in terms of governance and civil rights. Many like to pick the income tax and the institution of the Fed, others FDR, others Wilson and so on. I think it is academic except for the fact that if the current system collapses you want to avoid repeating the same mistakes.
Like you, I say we have the end game right in front of us. We must severely punish this or we will get more of it. You can see more of what I think on later posts, but I personally want the equivalent of government purges, done with liberty, not autocracy in mind.
We have lost our community park to the private high school next door. They replaced the grass with astroturd, put a fence around the field, and restricted public usage hours. In one of the meetings where the city councilman showed up to hear all of our grievances, motherfucker dismissed the 1000+ signature petition as if it didn't even count or exist. When a high schooler stood up to day "I'll turn 18 soon and I'm definitely not voting for you," he replied saying that the kid's vote doesn't matter - he's there to stay regardless.
This is at the fucking city level man. And you wanna try to convince your dearest representatives and senators to change shit at the national level? NO CHANCE.
They expect you to give up that easy and if you do you just are falling into the trap. If you believe in what you are doing then get involved and run a campaign against him. Get rid of him. If you don't you are really not doing your civic duty. That's partly why we are where we are. We are at a point where that is no longer an option.
It is easy to take liberty for granted, when you have never had it taken from you. ~Author unknown, sometimes attributed to M. Grundler
I'd love to (kidding, I'd hate it) run for councilman, but I have a real profession. Even if somehow, magically, I were to gain that position, I wouldn't be able to do shit. Why? The vote was made by the council, which consists of several other councilfucks who are exactly like the douchebag who took our park away.
My city is the same way. I lost my chickens, because they got in trouble years ago when they took them away from a lady (cancer and stroke survior) when she was in the hospital! The state actually came in and said you can't make retroactive laws, and made the city look like dumb fucks. So their answer? Never address the issue ever again, and when I talk to my councilman, he says, "I love the idea, I used to have chickens, but I can't vote for it, the other councilpeople wouldn't like it." The POS then starts talking about how he hates state and federal interferance in peoples lives. Just write that guys name down, and when the revolution finally comes, cash the check.....
Take the damn government back from the criminals... start with the elected positions local law-enforcement.
Exactly ... The problem is GLOBAL[ists]; the solution is LOCAL.
I am running for my local town council to repeal the fuck out of everything.
I am seriously looking into pushing for a ballot initiative to repeal property taxes as well.
No more playing nice. Yes I am running and i convinced the local town's GOP group to put me on the main GOP line.
Either we try and take over government to abolish it or we all go Lord of the Flies and live off the grid. I'm trying the former first.
A shot echoes in the dark of nght. A man falls. No one cares. Progress.
The eighteen year old needs to run against his sorry ass. Help him organize it.
Ben prints far more than they collect
Thats what I try to point out to all my sheep friends. The FED is creating a trillion dollars a year out of thin air. If they can just create that money out of nothing, then why in the fuck did we have have congress pass a $700bn bank bailout that gets added to the debt that my kids and grandkids will have to pay for? The banks steal $700bn from taxpayers and then more untold billions as being the primary beneficiaries of QE. Sadly I'm still looked at like I'm crazy, what can I say my friends will turn out to be great fema camp guards.
You will be one of the "lucky" ones if the camp guards are your friends.
The party line is that all that moneys been paid back, plus interest, the government actually MADE money on their wise investment!
I'm getting really close to forgetting to file my taxes. They can't put us all in prison.
Starve the motherfucking beast!
http://sedm1.org/Forms/09-Procs/PathToFreedom.pdf
If nothing else it would be fun to attach that "Fuck You" SEDM form to the silly IRS ones!
B. Free
They can withdraw money from your bank account faster than you can and they have no "Patriot Act" restriction on how big the transaction is either.
They can't withdraw what's not in there!
"Starving the beast" means starving the banks AND the revenue man.
Two pronged assault, bitchezz!!
Idiot. How do they withdraw physical money from someones hidey hole?
I heard one of the Lib congressmen (forgot his name) tell the IRS Commish that we have a "voluntary" tax system. That confidence in the IRS is important because they system is voluntary...WTF....when was this shit voluntary????
Like it is voluntary until you don't pay and then its mandatory????? WTF
It is Voluntary, except for the automatic deductions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixIiUBIGugc
Harry Reid-Taxes are voluntary
As one of the few actual readers in this country (America), who actually reads stuff like the Warren Commission Report (pure crapola), the 9/11 Commission Report (ditto!), and the IRS web site, perhaps I am the only one who didn't miss the obvious?
The Day Before
Whether a certified fraud examiner, an actual investigative journalist, or a volunteer activist (such as yours truly was for many a year in their spare time), the crucial thing one learns is when any nonsensical news event, or momentous event occurs, it is always best to look closely at what transpired the day before.
On May 10th recently, an old IG report was dredged up referring to several IRS agents who targeted Koch brothers' front groups (which newsies reports as Tea Party outfits?) and immediately received, or was mandatorily given, focused and massive national news attention!
So what occurred on May 9th? On that day, a press release at the IRS web site announced the largest tax investigation in history, an international joint effort between the tax administrations of the USA, Australia and the UK, looking into those untaxed trillions of dollars parked in offshore tax havens from information leaked to them.
This would be the most momentous event on behalf of the citizenry, and against the super rich since the Kennedy and Roosevelt administrations, yet nary a word was mentioned in the national media about this epochal announcement?
On 9/11/01, an airliner crashed dead center into the Pentagon's west wall, killing almost their entire auditing team (DIA's Financial Management staff), and severely injuring the rest.
So what occurred on 9/10/01, the day before?
On 9/10, the Pentagon's comptroller announced that the very same auditing team had uncovered the unaccounted for sum of $2.3 trillion of DoD funds; that is, $2.3 trillion in DoD funds were missing and unaccounted for.
Always examine the events of the day before for the most interest causal factors!
http://www.irs.gov/uac/Newsroom/IRS,-Australia-and-United-Kingdom-Engaged-in-Cooperative-Effort-to-Combat-Offshore-Tax-Evasion
http://www.icij.org/blog/2013/05/authorities-announce-tax-haven-investigation
So if I understand your point, you are saying that you believe that the super rich are stirring the pot on this IRS scandal to somehow scare them off from going after offshore accounts? The same super rich that own the banks and our government are trying to disarm the only honest component of government (the ones that despite their nazi like attitudes towards most taxpayers have only our best interests at heart) with a completely irrelavent scandal. Puleeze. Just becasue these assholes have become so absolutely blantant in their criminal activities does not suggest to me that it is somehow a trick or diversion. They simply have no respect for any of us beyond what the most base manipulations require. They see us as the sheep that most of us have become.
True,
Except it was a Military Drone aircraft/missile and warhead that hit the Pentagon, not an airliner.
I've been saying this since the story broke. NOW is the time for a nationwide tax revolt. You couldn't have a more-perfect set of circumstances.
If the "Tea Party" and libertarians don't take advantage of this wonderful thing handed to them on a silver platter, they are complete state toadies.
Everyone send tax data to the forthcoming "Patriot" tax return preparation company. None will be processed to the government if 10 million or more authorize them to not file. If not, they are filed. Safety in numbers.
Well said , Mr. Kelly. sir, you left one thing out; Revolt!
Why don't any of you in places of influence demand the end to this unconstitutional malignant entity?
Theater for the wool producers.
Exactly. I think that we are almost at the point where the "red team" gets the ball.
Like this shit hasn't been going on for a hundred years.
Oh sure this one is the worst but that is simply because it is happening now.
This is how it always was, and always will be within the empire.
I am quite sure there were people pissed as we were rampaging around South America for United Fruit, or the Iranians when their relatives were raped, murdered and maimed by the Shaw.
Forgive me if I don't get frothy about this, but this is the MO of the IRS and even our entire government.
Nothing is going to change until they cannot print power anymore and pay the gestapo with it.
On the bright side, at least we know that this system is unsustainable.
We have to be vigilant about the next one that is no doubt in the works, courtesy of our benevolent masters.
pods
It's the Cloward-Pliven plan, Phase II.
Phase I - breed 2-3 generations of dependent Democrats in your inner cities. When they reach 50% of the voters, you can take over all 3 branches of government.
Phase II - politicize health care delivery, and kill off all non-Democrats by denying them health care. No bullets in the police station basement needed.
Phase III - Socialist Utopia
Quo Et Demonstratum
Cloward-Piven-Alynsky
"Theater for the wool producers."
"I am shocked, shocked to find that illegal activities are going on here!" Or so say the 4F's (F'ing Financial Fraudster Fellators) who are in the majority in both parties, both houses, and the WH.
"I'd be more cynical, but I can't keep up."
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"In a total surveilance society, sarcasm equals plausible deniability."
Good comment on the total surveilance society. I like another term I heard, the "Permission society". You have to get government permission to do anything at all these days, drive, travel, open a business, buy, sell, research, develop and all business speech must be government approved. Somehow, the surveilance and the permission go together, don't you think?
You know, the life spans were shorter and life was harder but I think I will prefer the past to our future.
That's a popular government sponsored myth. Life spans, with the exception of the effects of communicable diseases and infant mortality, were NOT shorter.
Was life really harder when you needed to chop wood but didn't need to watch CNN or deal with the IRS?
Prettu well right, you forgot murder though. And people were more respectful with the possibility of murder.
Communicable diseases were the biggest. 48 years at the turn of 20th century, early 70 by 50s and now late 70s.
The time of a man on earth is three score and ten. That craps 2k years ago.
Thinner too!
Lifespans have been unchanged since recorded history. In good health one could live to be about 72. Average lifespans have increased dramatically since the beginning of the 20th century as more people live out their full lifetime.
My point was that even without modern medicine and conveniences and given the higher mortality rates of the past I would probably trade our future, surveilance-government permission society for potentially greater freedom of the past. I would probably pick early America. Think Last of the Mohicans or something of that sort.
The total surveillance society is increasingly becoming a one way street
They can monitor us but we can't monitor them
The real criminals are using T to instill fear and silence dissent and prevent accountability for their actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNlJYSIzjoU
"I think we should hold government agents personally responsibe for their official actions."
"Trial? Who said anyrhing about a trial? I'm talking about justice! Now where's my rope?"
The Gestapo, the SS, and the KGB all rolled into one for the benefit of the banksters and their political puppets.
Apber...while I appreciate your direction, you actually diminish this. This is not really banker stuff. Denying tax exemptions and essentially holding hostage certain political groups is not the stuff of bank intrigue. It is the stuff of naked power grabs, government power grabs and the transformation of a republic into a totalitarian state. This is how you kill the traditional USA and any ideas or hope of future liberty.
Tax issues not banker stuff?
When did the Suupremes ratify the 16th?
the IRS was empowered at the same time as the Federal Reserve was created. coincidence? not hardly...
End the FED. Abolish the IRS.
One up vote is insufficient on this thread.
+1,000
Fing Criminals!
In the words of the intellectually challenged, Joe Biden, "This is a big fucking deal!"
Or in the Words of Hillary Clinton "what difference does it make?"
Is Jon Corzine in Jail yet? "what difference does it make?"
Teen arrested for stealing a Big Gulp..... "what difference does it make?"
God bless you, Jim. I have forgotten to ask if Jon Corzine is still free. It pays to have friends in the totalitarian state.
You American Democrats should be so proud of your progress...or perhaps progressivism.