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Russia Adds Two More Warships To Mediterranean Task Force Near Syria

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A few days when reporting that the Russian Pacific fleet had crossed the Suez canal for the first time in decades in order to form a Mediterranean task force parked in Cyprus for obvious symbolic reasons (in close proximity to Syria and the Israel-parked Kearsarge), some observed that while the submarine support was adequate, the actual warship fleet designated to support any potential escalation in Syria would be largely insufficient. Perhaps the Russian Navy heard these complaints, and several hours ago RIA reported that two extra warships from the Russian Black Sea fleet had joined the Mediterranean task force, citing Capt. First Rank Vyacheslav Trukhachyov, has said. None of these recent deployment should come as a surprise: in March Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said a permanent naval task force in the Mediterranean was needed to defend Russia’s interests in the region. Read Syria, Cyrpus (where the task force will be on anchor indefinitely), and, of course, any and all western offensive involving Iran. And slowly but surely said task force is nearing completion.

"During a planned rotation, large landing ships Nikolai Filchenkov and Azov from Russia’s Black Sea Fleet have started performing their tasks in the Mediterranean,” Trukhachyov said.

The two ships in question:

the Azov:

and the Filchenkov:

The two ships will be added to a fleet that is becoming increasingly imposing in both numbers and capability: the task force currently includes vessels from the Pacific, Northern, Baltic and Black Sea fleets: the Admiral Panteleyev and Severomorsk destroyers, the Yaroslav Mudry frigate, the Peresvet and Admiral Nevelskoi amphibious warfare ships, the Fotiy Krylov, Altai and SB-921 salvage/rescue tugs, the PM-138 repair ship, the Pechenga, Lena and Dubna tankers. The task force may be enlarged to include nuclear submarines.

Admiral Vladimir Komoyedov, head of the parliamentary defense committee, previously told RIA Novosti that the Mediterranean task force should be comprised of 10 warships and support vessels as part of several tactical groups tasked with attack, antisubmarine warfare and minesweeping.

In other words, check to you America, we are ready.

And speaking of checking, just a month earlier it was the US that was deploying its own naval support in the area with the LHD-3 Kearsarge crossing the Suez canal, and now on anchor in Israel. Here is a 60 second timelapse video of what it looks like when a US naval ship cross the Suez Canal, direction escalation.

 


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Mon, 05/20/2013 - 22:16 | Link to Comment markmotive
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WW3 prelude?

Divide, distract and control. It's worked for millenia.

Days of Destruction: Chris Hedges, Morris Berman, Dmitry Orlov,
Mon, 05/20/2013 - 22:20 | Link to Comment tsx500
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BULLISH !!!

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 23:29 | Link to Comment AldousHuxley
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Syria is the last domino before getting rid of Iran.

Escalations in the mediterranean is matched by Chinese escalation in North Korea.

 

funny how Russia and USA have no threat on the motherland. wars are fought in someone else's backyard.

smart empires.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 00:15 | Link to Comment ZeroAffect
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The proverbial ‘brick wall’ is looming, no doubt about that. Time is running out and something big is coming. I agree, partly with Savage that it will ‘nazi-like’.
 
Are we beyond the Point of No Return? An uncommon astrological event will occur in 2014-2015 known as a Tetrad, or Blood Moon. According to NASA: “When four consecutive lunar eclipses are all TOTAL eclipses, the group is known as a Tetrad. The following Tetrads occur during this century"

1. Tetrad: 2003 – 2004
 2. Tetrad: 2014 – 2015
 3. Tetrad: 2032 – 2033
 4. Tetrad: 2043 – 2044
 5. Tetrad: 2050 – 2051
 6. Tetrad: 2061 – 2062
 7. Tetrad: 2072 – 2073
 8. Tetrad: 2090 – 2091
 
Tetrads are not that common. In other words, to have 8 Tetrads occur in the centuries 2001 to 2100 is a rarity. Only 13 Tetrads have occurred in the last 500 years. The last 3 occurred in the years 1949-1950, and 1967-1968, and 2003-2004.

What hapened in the ME during the years 2003-2004?

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 00:22 | Link to Comment Precious
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These surface ships mean relatively little.  

The chess game is being played with nuclear armed submarines ... wherever they are.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 00:53 | Link to Comment Spirit Of Truth
Tue, 05/21/2013 - 01:40 | Link to Comment Boris Alatovkrap
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Always must have store of vodka. Gold, Silver, Vodka, enough to survive apocalypso in style.

(Well, Boris at least is have vodka.)

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 06:26 | Link to Comment Parrotile
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Soyuz Victan, or Nemiroff??

"Straight", or do you prefer the flavoured Vodkas?

Or do you prefer the "Bulk" containers they sell in Kiev (Boryspil) airport - 5 litre bottles with a pump dispenser (for US $ 25 last time I was there!)

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 02:05 | Link to Comment Wile-E-Coyote
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Got thermonuclear protection?

Got lead based Sun tan lotion?

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 04:35 | Link to Comment thisandthat
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Boron is what was used in Chernobil

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 09:59 | Link to Comment Stuck on Zero
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Russian warships look really mean. 

 

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 00:30 | Link to Comment Lore
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Have we not progressed beyond astrology?

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 01:43 | Link to Comment Boris Alatovkrap
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Russia is have some of world largest telescope. Soon is launch largest space-radio telescope, make Hubble look like Obama puny arm compare to Putin.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 01:45 | Link to Comment prains
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are you sure it's not a giant dildo for the impending global reaming 

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 02:18 | Link to Comment Boris Alatovkrap
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Boris is speak of figure. Space Radio Telescope is not as large dildo, but is use satellite. Is look more like IUD.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 04:37 | Link to Comment thisandthat
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Funny, because Hubble is look more like Fleshlight.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 06:04 | Link to Comment thisandthat
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Apparently, we don't even know what Astrology was actually about, any more...

There is though an established correlation between solar maxes and wars - and we're right in the middle of one (although a weak one at that).

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 07:30 | Link to Comment drdolittle
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Do you do palm reading and horoscopes as well?

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 22:17 | Link to Comment geologyguy
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"It would be well for your government to consider that having your ships and ours, your aircraft and ours, in such proximity... is inherently DANGEROUS. Wars have begun that way, Mr. Ambassador."  -Hunt for Red October  [love that movie]

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 22:30 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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"look's like we didn't get dressed up for nothing"

 Braveheart's Red Head buddy.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 01:45 | Link to Comment Boris Alatovkrap
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"Best defense is good offense"

Mel, cook on Alice

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 01:47 | Link to Comment prains
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Boris

where are they hiding the USS Bitchezlov

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 02:15 | Link to Comment Boris Alatovkrap
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Boris is not familiar of "Bitchezlov", but Russia Navy is operate many secret naval base. If GoogleEarth to Severodvinsk or Sevmorput, maybe see Bitchezlov put in harbor. Also, check to see Mariel Bay, Cuba. How are you to know of this ship? Are you spy?

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 14:16 | Link to Comment prains
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As the inventor of the slapichino I've boarded the USS Bitchezlov many times in the past but age is catching up to both

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 22:38 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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this one is three dimensional in nature: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Navy "never let 'em see you sweat."

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 22:51 | Link to Comment Osmium
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"This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it."

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 23:42 | Link to Comment sgorem
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aw shit, quit bein so fucking optimistic! just btfd:)

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 00:06 | Link to Comment MaxThrust
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Mother of God!

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 03:44 | Link to Comment Joe A
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In 1962 the world came close. At one point a Russian sub was surrounded by US ships. The sub had it torpedo tubes open and flooded, ready to fire. It was due to the wisdom of the sub driver that WWIII did not start because he could have launched his torpedos without order from Moscow. He closed his tubes and moved away.

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 22:21 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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With the development of more advanced missiles and pinpoint targeting GPS these big surface ships (of any country) look like so much scrap-metal-in-waiting.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 04:10 | Link to Comment Jack Burton
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Yes Otto. When I was in the Navy, we in the Submarine branch always said there were only two types of ships, "submarines and targets".

World War two quickly saw Air Power become the dominant force at sea. The post war era saw the rise of missiles for anti shipping work. The kind deployed today are so fast and deadly that they along with Submarines make heavy Surface Warships floating death traps.

The Russians have staked much of their modern military capability on missile technology. Their surface to air, surface to surface and anti shipping missiles are no joke. Being inferior to the US in the Air, Russia decided long ago to invest in a missile force second to none.

Russia's ships are as vulnerable as ours. I do not know how well the US Navy's anti missle systems are, we had primitve ones when I was in the Navy. It remains to be seen. But Israel had a Frigate hit by a Hezbollah missile in the Lebanon war, a primitive one at that,

To me, in a real shooting war, the large surface ships is not going to last long against air power and nuclear and conventional submarines.

In exercises, I can't tell you how many times we were able to break through our Carrier's ASW screen and sink the Carrier. The USN does not like to talk about it, but I can tell you that many times it was a piece of cake. We just slip under a temperature inversion, the surface sonar bounces off the layer and we slip in to the target. The rest is easy.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 05:28 | Link to Comment thisandthat
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About subs, I was never in the navy and even I know of plenty similar cases: South Africans vs NATO/SA; Brazilian and Portuguese vs Spanish; Swedish vs US; Portuguese vs British, US or NATO... and then there's the case of the Chinese showing up right in the middle of US fleets...

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 11:39 | Link to Comment Overfed
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Artificial reefs, bitchez!

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 22:23 | Link to Comment i8emallup
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silly Wasteful Move By Russia. Their Entire Navy Would Probably Equal 1 Carrier Battle Group.  i Think Us Has 11. Unless They Finally Intend To Escalate To Nuclear War. 

More Likely They'll Just Create a Big Nuisance. tThen Fade To Flaccid Irrelevance They So Richly Deserve.

 

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 22:25 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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Russia wouldn't fight alone... China also is in need of a big distraction.

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 23:22 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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That's when we realize that there are NO weapons systems of exclusively U.S. made parts. Most of the components are outsourced parts made in China. Supwize!

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 23:34 | Link to Comment AldousHuxley
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Imagine US and Russia declare war on each other and then the battleships shut down due to shitty quality Chinese made parts and they just end up crashing on shore.

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 23:48 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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We laugh at chinese made parts but the chinese are smarter than you think.  A computer chip manufactured in China that is used in US military equipment was found to contain a secret “backdoor” that the manufacturer can use to record information or disable the chip.  Search it.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 05:31 | Link to Comment thisandthat
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That's nothing; Israelis have been doing that for decades...

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 08:17 | Link to Comment theliberalliberal
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make sure you keep "safe search" on when googling "back door"

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 01:20 | Link to Comment suteibu
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Harbanger is spot on.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 11:12 | Link to Comment Rustysilver
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lolmao500,

There's nothing like relying on some else to help you in a fight.

I think British and France are ready to send some troops to help Poland with the Nazis.

Look a history, any period of history and you will see what I mean.

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 22:39 | Link to Comment kchrisc
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Yeah but the bankrupt paper-tiger US will need to borrow the funds from Russia and China to fight any war.  hujel

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 00:12 | Link to Comment jonjon831983
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Military + Police get cut last.

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 22:44 | Link to Comment chubbyjjfong
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Nice use of capitals in front of every word with the addition of the lowercase 'i'.  Nice touch.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 00:20 | Link to Comment jonjon831983
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On the last Stratfor update ZH posted there was only 1 carrier group in the AO.  A few months ago there were 2-3.  I figure the 2 were pulled out in anticipation of "carrier" killer missiles, of which delivery to Syria has now been announced, and it is easier to say there is no connection.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 00:31 | Link to Comment Solarman
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Why expoe your navy to hostile fire when you have the entire Russian navy as sitting ducks to hundreds of antiship missles, and 600-700 attack aircraft.

 

This is Putin after Cialis.  How does Russia survive economically if they attack the U.S.  The Bosphorus Strait is closed, and the Jutland strait is closed  If Russia wants to make a statement, they simply need to overtly move in, protect the western highlands where most Shia Syrians live, and embargo every other road coming in to the country with their Air Force or stand off surface to surface missles.

 

That is what I would do.  Then possession being 9/10 of the law what can we, Turkey or Israel do?  Nothing.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 00:49 | Link to Comment noless
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It's posturing, after decades of conventional disarmament even putting their hand out to be grabbed would signal massive allegiance reallocation. Russia isn't looking for a new cold war, they're looking to cite the usa as the aggressor.

"political capital"

Feel free to strike stronger opponent we will lay you prone and leave you to the dogs.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 07:19 | Link to Comment Sandmann
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Not really. Russians play a longer game than the Americans. Russia will be the power in Iraq, Syria and Iran and likely Saudi Arabia as the US fades in the region. Once the EU disintegrates Russia will be the main player together with Germany and probably have Iceland in a new friendship. The USA will be focused on restraining China as it rattles India and Japan

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 04:13 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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The US capital ships are also sitting ducks if this moves from posturing and support to direct confrontation.  The larger threat (ex. subs - whose location we simply don't know) is from aircraft at 40,000 feet, and which only take a few hours to arrive on scene- The Russian strategic bomber fleet also has Newton's second law of motion (~ 5000mph)  on its side if it launches. 

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 07:14 | Link to Comment Sandmann
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Which US city is worth sacrificing for Israel ? You write as if it is a game, but decide which city the US could sacrifice for makimg a mistake - New York ? Chicago ? Boston ? Los Angeles ? I mean if you talk of sinking Russian ships you are asking which US cities want to test the accuracy of Chinese and Russian MIRVs.

 

In 1962 the USA was very lucky despite its mistakes as Wiki shows:

"

In early 1992, it was confirmed that Soviet forces in Cuba had, by the time the crisis broke, received tactical nuclear warheads for their artillery rockets and Il-28 bombers.[91] Castro stated that he would have recommended their use if the US invaded despite knowing Cuba would be destroyed.[91]

Arguably the most dangerous moment in the crisis was only recognized during the Cuban Missile Crisis Havana conference in October 2002. Attended by many of the veterans of the crisis, they all learned that on October 27, 1962 the USS Beale had tracked and dropped signaling depth charges (the size of hand grenades) on the B-59, a Soviet Project 641 (NATO designation Foxtrot) submarine which, unknown to the US, was armed with a 15 kiloton[citation needed] nuclear torpedo. Running out of air, the Soviet submarine was surrounded by American warships and desperately needed to surface. An argument broke out among three officers on the B-59, including submarine captain Valentin Savitsky, political officer Ivan Semonovich Maslennikov, and Deputy brigade commander Captain 2nd rank (US Navy Commander rank equivalent) Vasili Arkhipov. An exhausted Savitsky became furious and ordered that the nuclear torpedo on board be made combat ready. Accounts differ about whether Commander Arkhipov convinced Savitsky not to make the attack, or whether Savitsky himself finally concluded that the only reasonable choice left open to him was to come to the surface.[92]:303, 317 During the conference Robert McNamara stated that nuclear war had come much closer than people had thought. Thomas Blanton, director of the National Security Archive, said, "A guy called Vasili Arkhipov saved the world."

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 00:44 | Link to Comment JOYFUL
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Your team could have a hundred carrier battle groups...

it wouldn't make one ioata of difference. They're all far from home port... as in available and guaranteed supplies of fuel.

This game turns on who owns the spigots... something that hasn't changed in this neighborhood since before the Brits even got themselves a backyard lot in Iraq.

Stars n Stripes still rule the waves .... but gold those A-rabs crave...

educate yourslf over on that Petrodollar guest post chum... change be comin so fast it will make your head spin!

The flight[and plight] of those ZATONIC expeditionary forces now lording it over Afghanistan when this house burns down will make Khyber Pass look like a Sunday School Picnic.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 03:33 | Link to Comment Think for yourself
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On top of that, last I heard around tinfoil-hat circles is that the ruskies have a few decades headstart in directed energy weapons R&D. Methinks we might start seeing wider deployment (to the point where it becomes observable) of some scary heretofore-classified tech...

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 07:04 | Link to Comment silvermail
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If the U.S. and Russia sharp conflict arises, very few of the U.S. military will be able to return home alive from Afghanistan.
Russian will be very quick to make in Afghanistan a bloody meat grinder for the U.S. military.
In this case, the U.S. will be very hard to even just take home from Afghanistan, the bodies of their soldiers.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 07:52 | Link to Comment JOYFUL
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you understand my point.

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/sole-british-soldier-escapes-...

I live amongst these* people. The only guarantee to my continued existence...is that our collective desire for peace exceeds the (falsely imposed) clamor for war... we need to step back from the brink here... and understand our relationship to the other 'peoples of the book.'

Those who use this site to declaim against our natural allies in the fight to finish with usury\interest banking... and return to the 'golden' era of real currencies\real values... put me and mine at risk every day.

I will neither forget nor forgive those amongst us who create these false divisions. You will be hunted. And we will save our peeples.

*Muslims. aka ... other folks... jus trying to get their lives together. Like us. Do not be deceived by the haters mongst us.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 05:42 | Link to Comment thisandthat
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I wonder what Sun Tzu's Military Principles (aka The Art of War) has to say about cockiness... but, at least according to Lao Tzu, "There is no greater danger than underestimating your opponent."

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 07:42 | Link to Comment JOYFUL
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"There is no greater danger than underestimating your opponent."

The saddest thing... in all of this sir... barring, for a moment, the horrific infliction of casualites upon an innocent civilian population across "Arabistan"...

is that the enemy has not been underestimated in the least....

by those plotting for the planned decimation of the "west" and "east" together...

via a wholesale slaughter which accords with the cabbalist\satanist necessity of blood sacrifice... they know exactly what the strengths of their various dupes are... and have tirelessly pitted each against the other in order to incur the maximum damage to both.

We are under siege from the evil doers amongst us. You will rise and demand peace... or watch all of what you  lived n loved for fade away ...in an orgy of war and artificial hatreds.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 11:42 | Link to Comment Overfed
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Their ships aren't very impressive, but their missile systems are.

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 22:25 | Link to Comment newengland
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Nazionists miscalculated. Putin is not for turning.

There is nothing more timid than a million dollars, said Reagan.

This time, the brat central banksters are about to meet their match.

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 22:23 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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The upcoming destruction is giving Krugman and the rest of the Keynesians a woody.

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 22:34 | Link to Comment newengland
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...dead wood at this rate.

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 22:24 | Link to Comment SmittyinLA
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They're there to buy real estate (there's blood in the streets) they just got a big paycheck for some obsolete naval missiles, and Assad needs cash.

The Russians are Capitalists taking lessons from Bill Gates (he bought into Egyptian agribusiness on a "fire sale" too).

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 22:33 | Link to Comment newengland
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A superficial interpretation of current events, SmittyinLA.

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 22:24 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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For the lulz, America should send an aircraft carrier group off Kaliningrad.

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 23:19 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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You mean Konigsberg. "we'll send the SS Kant." that should go over well.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 07:17 | Link to Comment silvermail
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How two of the U.S. aerocarrier can help off the coast of Russia?
Russian are not afraid of an American aircraft carriers. They can sink them at any time, when they want.
The main difference between the military doctrine of Russia and the United States lies in the fact that for the U.S. there is the criterion of "unacceptable losses". But for the Russian such a criterion does not exist.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 07:20 | Link to Comment Sandmann
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Videogame Culture....not Realpolitik

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 22:30 | Link to Comment ApollyonDestroy
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Didn't we just dispatch two Atlantic carrier groups heading east? Coincidence always coincidence!

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 22:31 | Link to Comment Divine Wind
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The totality of these all of the Russian ships now in the Med,

+ the recent deliveries of the supersonic P-800 Yakhont (NATO reporting name: SS-N-26) missiles;

+ the recent deliveries of the  S-300 (NATO reporting name: SA-10 Grumble) surface to air missiles;

+ the Russian special forces already in country;

+ the Russian regular forces already in country;

is most certainly sending a message.

 

Should be an interesting summer.

 

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 22:36 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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May be a little different for US than fighting goat herders in Afghan.

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 22:47 | Link to Comment Boondocker
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Those goatherders made the ussr look like idiots....

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 23:00 | Link to Comment Jugdish
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How long has the USSA LGBT military been fighting those goatherders? 12+ years? Quite a group of goatherders.

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 23:06 | Link to Comment newengland
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There is an old Afghan saying: you can rent an Afghan; you can't own one. They are tribalists; might is right in their world.

The West should leave them to themselves, and it is only their heroin production that makes them a point of interest for the Nazionists who would kill any mother's child to get that profitable resource.

The Taliban reduced heroin production. Heroin production increased and is protected under foreign military intervention, and Karzai admits that he received plane loads of cash from the U.S. 

Meanwhile, troops die. People die. Central banks and national politicians profit. John Kerry is the latest  first rate fuckwit who should be jailed as a war criminal - along with David Cameron, Tony Blair, the Clintons and every modern careeer politician in the West.

There are people in Israel who also challenge the national warmonger politicians, but the Western main scream media do not report on that.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 04:19 | Link to Comment Jack Burton
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They are doing the same to the US military. We win every so called battle for a decade and what territory do we hold? Not much. Same with the Russian occupation. The US is getting off easy because neither Russia nor China is sending modern anti tank and anti aircraft missiles to Taliban, like USA did in the 80's. Trust me, Taliban with these weapons would cause big casualties to US forces. As it is, fighting with 1950's infantry weapons Taliban remains undefeated. Not saying much for our superior elite units is it????

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 07:21 | Link to Comment silvermail
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Jack Burton -

This is a very correct conclusion.

Bravo!

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 07:40 | Link to Comment drdolittle
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The only way to win against so determined a foe is to annihilate them all and salt the earth. Short of that you're just letting your troops get sniped at and ambushed.

BTW, go Taliban! If they were on US soil I would say the opposite

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 22:37 | Link to Comment newengland
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Yep.

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 22:48 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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Israeli special forces crossing into Syria in broad daylight and moving up the armor. "we're heading towards something more formalized." http://www.globalresearch.ca/covert-israeli-forces-inside-syria-within-r...

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 04:25 | Link to Comment Jack Burton
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You are right. Israel's PM was just in Russia trying to talk Putin down from his support for Syria. I hear from my soures that Mr. Putin did most of the talking! It appears he stood his ground. Afterwards Lavror made statements about Russia fullfilling it's arms contracts with Syria. Israel's own airfields come within range of Syrian deployed S-300. That makes Israeli air operations more difficult as they would need to be protected by electronics warfare systems the instant they got in the air. This is far harder than it is to cover a strike group entering enemy airspace with electronics jamming and such.

At this point, Russia has made it clear they are not backing down. In fact they are going deeper in. NATO does not know what to do, so they have done nothing but arm Al-Qaeda and hope that Jihad against Assad succeeds.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 07:06 | Link to Comment Sandmann
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NATO put Patriot batteries in Turkey

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 07:21 | Link to Comment Sandmann
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No he was not. He was summoned to Moscow

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 11:56 | Link to Comment Overfed
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The world's two largest practitioners of State sponsored terrorism are the USA and Israel.

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 22:36 | Link to Comment yogibear
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Watch oil just go ballistic.

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 22:40 | Link to Comment F. Bastiat
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They clearly recognize that Hussein Obama is a delusional marxist and that John Kerry is a coward.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 04:29 | Link to Comment Jack Burton
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You ever ride a Swift Boat in Nam? Better watch who you call a coward. The coward label may fit a certain Texas Air National Guard pilot who went AWOL and never completed his military service in an honorable fashion. In fact, his military service records are missing, funny that. Whereas Mr. Kerry's are public record. I know more than one real Swift Boat veteran, call them cowards to their faces please, not on this board.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 07:12 | Link to Comment Bazza McKenzie
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Sure Jack, and how much of that Kerry record was written up by himself?  Was it three purple hearts he recommended himself for before hightailing it out of Vietnam after what was it? 3 months.  Guy certainly set some new records.  Good thing he had high level political sponsorship back home.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 09:51 | Link to Comment Jack Burton
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FOX news versus reality? Hmmm? I take reality any day. Oh, nobody addressed the Bush record. How come?

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 11:57 | Link to Comment Overfed
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I don't know if JK is a coward or not, but he certainly comes off as a weakling and a mega-douchebag.

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 22:40 | Link to Comment joego1
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Showboats- I bet on the bankers and their stuff ends up fish reefs if the SHTF.

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 22:41 | Link to Comment Fuku Ben
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I still believe this Russian posturing about protecting Syria is an act. Although I do believe they will take care of Assad either way.

Russia's act will be far more convincing than the one's put on daily by D-list America politicians

Come on at least one of the TD's should have some inside information they can "leak" 

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 22:44 | Link to Comment Seize Mars
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This is correct. It's all fake. 100%.

This is Waterloo, in every fucking sense, with the same guys standing to gain.

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 23:22 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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"all right..who pressed the red button? i promise not to be angry this time."

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 22:53 | Link to Comment newengland
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The so called 'Arab Spring' came out of nowhere, so we are told by main scream media. Bull$hit. 

Always follow the money to understand the meaning of world politics, and the idiot career politicians who assist international financiers - knowingly or stupidly. Same game; different names.

But this time, it really is different. The U.S. has never been at continuous war for this long in its history.

If domestic politicians are too bribed and bought by the International Nazionists, then I want Putin to do for us what he wants to do for his Russia: flay the international central banksters.

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 23:31 | Link to Comment besnook
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what a dilemna. it is an awful feeling knowing your country(usa) is on the wrong side of history. pretty soon it will be considered treason to cheer for putin to end the empire for the sake of the world. it may be already in the details of the patriot act and the ndaa to support a foreign country, enemy or not(unless it is israel) is punishable by secret rendition to a re-education(ahem) camp.

in the meantime, go putin. smite the banker infidels. save the world.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 04:35 | Link to Comment Jack Burton
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Yes, it seems odd to back Russia nowadays. But our US empire is out of control and doing evil things abroad and at home, driven by a greedy banker elite and Israel. We are no longer in charge of our government they are in charge of us. Russia seems the only force preventing the US going wild around the entire world. The domestic police state is tightening it's grip on us. The US being confronted abroad would be a help to us here at home. The bankers and Israel are now pure power mad evil doers. The Muslim extremists and the Israeli extremists are dragging the world into hell and the US is now backing both sides! Imagine that! Putin backs neither of them, that is why I back Putin. Probably makes me a traitor, no?

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 07:55 | Link to Comment Parisnights
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I always have to Read "The gov't of"  so I don't fly off the handle when reading these posts.  For instance The bankers and Israel are now pure power mad evil doers.

Clearly the 22% of israelis living on the streets of Tel Aviv are not "evildoes" in the same manner a percentage of palestinians are not neck deep into jihad.  Why are so many gov'ts stampeding the rights off their citizens?  V is right-- Gov'ts should be afraid of their ppl

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 00:30 | Link to Comment bunnyswanson
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Target starts with an I and everyone is on the same page.  No other option.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 07:51 | Link to Comment silvermail
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I want to remind you of the day when the United States has lost eight B-52 bombers in Vietnam. All of them were shot down by Russian missiles. As McCain's plane.
I also want to remind you about the fate of the five military vehicles Hamer, which had a military secret communications equipment of NATO. Russian captured them near Tbilisi. The U.S. government has loudly demanded that the Russian to return the secret U.S. military cars. Russians loudly sent the U.S. government to the ass.
Do you want to check again, what the Russians have in mind, right now?

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 09:56 | Link to Comment Jack Burton
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Don't forget either that Russian anti aircraft missiles shoot down 20-30 Israeli aircraft in one afternoon over the Suez Canal during 1973 war. Israeli airforce tired again but lost more planes, then they sat on the ground until Egyptian armor moved outside this missile cover.

Also Russian anti tank missiles destoryed several hundred Israel tanks, Egyptian infantry using Russian anti tank weapons destoryed the entire Israeli counter attack after crossing the canal.

S-300 would do the same thing to Israeli airforce.

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 22:47 | Link to Comment A Lunatic
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From Russia with love you Imperialist bitches..........

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 22:56 | Link to Comment newengland
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Silly comment. Russia had imperialist ambitions too. You misunderstand Putin, and any patriot.

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 23:30 | Link to Comment monad
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Uh oh. Ivan really is anti-semitic. But by now all the people wrongly accused of being anti-semitic by con men pretending to be semitic in order to use semitic people as shields, and being fucked out of allodial house and fruits of labor by the Rothschilds and Rockefellers and friends, might be less than enthusiastic about sacrificing themselves (again) regarding this ominous turn of events.
Ivan has more nukes than Ben.

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 23:28 | Link to Comment F. Bastiat
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Make no mistake - Hussein Obama's intention is to attempt to destroy the Constitution of the United States.

For better or worse, he's made it this far and thus his marxist delusions have to be taken at least somewhat seriously.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 04:40 | Link to Comment Jack Burton
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Bush's Patriot Act already trashed the constitution before Obama even got to the White House. Maybe you didn't know that the same corporations and Israel that backed Bush backed Obama. Do you really subscribe to the two party system narative sold to the American people?

Too much FOX news. Marxist Obama? Better study Marxism a bit, I have and FOX ain't controlling my mind.

Here is a fact, and get used to it. The USA is a one party state.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:50 | Link to Comment caliberfivezero
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  • We would have had the Patriot Act crammed up our ass regardless of who was in the white house, I agree.  However, Obama did agree to extend the Patriot act which makes him just as if not even more of a liberty destroyer as Bush.  If you consider this extension of the Patriot ACt combined with all the other controversy (IRS targeting third party orgainzations for one) surrounding Obama, one must really question his legitimacy.  Although it may seem as if we really have one big brother, I never had to worry about Charles Shumer and Diane Feinstein subverting my second amendment rights while Bush was in office, and the money printing presses were not running nearly as fast as they are now.  I agree with you that the government will fuck us, but the liberals cram it in dry, pump faster, and with a much bigger dick!
Mon, 05/20/2013 - 23:46 | Link to Comment rootProbiscus
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Unfortunately the video is of a transit from the Mediterranian to the Red Sea.  So, they were either running away, or your captioning is just wrong!

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 23:54 | Link to Comment Monedas
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Hello, they went to Eilat .... in the Gulf of Aqaba !

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 23:59 | Link to Comment Monedas
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Russia still wants a warm water port !  Those imperialist, copy cat communists .... their ship's flag sure looks a lot like a UNION JACK .... they can't hide their penis envy of anything that is English ! Did MSM report that Putin kept Kerry waiting 3 hours .... they don't respect Kerry, either !  Well, Obama, you can now be more flexible .... the election is over !

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 00:08 | Link to Comment Monedas
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They cross the isthimus of Suez in the Suez canal .... they don't actually cross the canal .... unless they give a lift to some Bedouins and their goats from one bank to the other ?

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 00:09 | Link to Comment sgorem
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the way i see it is there are way too many evil interests in that area that would like to see the two "big dogs" get into it. 24/7 security on any of the ships in the Med is just crossing your fingers, aka USS Cole. damn if this whole pile of shit doesn't resemble The Apocalypse.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 01:10 | Link to Comment suicidalpsychologist
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you guys realize elites from the whole world spend their vacations with each others while sending the poor morons dumb enough to die for them into wars ? If you re dumb enough to fall for it well too bad for you, you should be smarter.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 00:35 | Link to Comment jonjon831983
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More war ships = escort for any material passing via sea to Syria instead of overland.  Who's gonna play chicken and start something when a cargo ship is being escorted.  That "humanitarian" ship to Turkey that was boarded by Israeli commandos proved enough of a point.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 01:08 | Link to Comment suicidalpsychologist
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those who always "win" wars are big fat industrial ceos smoking cigars siting in their huge leather chairs in an office.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 01:10 | Link to Comment dunce
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Turkey has been bullying the small neighbors and Russia has eyes on that off shore oil. Syria is a very good pretext for defending their oil and gas interests. Turkey has not been our friend for quite a few years and keeping that oil money out of islamist hands is in our interest. Russia is not our friend either but islam is our common enemy.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 01:14 | Link to Comment suicidalpsychologist
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russians dont reproduce , are depressed and alcoholics. They ll get outnumbered by both chinese and muslims at their borders slowly replacing them everywhere just like muslims and black africans are replacing white europeans. Those at the top of the pyramid , rich people, dont give a fuck, they re laughing all the way to the bank. They re the same who promote multiculturalism to import millions of third worlders in the first world to lower salaries and dumb down the population. That s the way it has always worked. Rich, dominant humans at the top of the human pyramid in the human specie, manipulate poorer, dumber humans who get used to serve their interests over and over again.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 05:16 | Link to Comment jesusonline
Tue, 05/21/2013 - 01:29 | Link to Comment q99x2
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What are they doing? They should station those ships off the coasts of Turks and Caicos and the Cayman Islands. Then they would have an immediate end to war in Syria.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 03:39 | Link to Comment Spectre
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No doubt these piles of shit boats will be at anchor, cause they aren't reliable enough to run. For fucks sake, Russia can't even afford to operate them if they did run.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 06:22 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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I do not think the American ships are in too good a shape, either.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 07:08 | Link to Comment Sandmann
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They can always sell their huge holdings of US IOUs

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 08:01 | Link to Comment silvermail
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To answer the nonsense about the poor state of Russian ships:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yAGE3Bt1yE

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:25 | Link to Comment caliberfivezero
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Awesome CGI, I think Pixar makes fictional videos as well!

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 04:15 | Link to Comment observer007
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War soon?

The Israeli military says gunfire from Syria hit an Israeli patrol on the Golan Heights overnight, damaging a vehicle and prompting the troops to fire back. Shots were fired from Syria at an IDF patrol on the Golan Monday night

 

Latest News:

http://tersee.com/#q=syria&t=text

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 05:45 | Link to Comment London Banker
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It's a strange world when you have to look to Russia and China to keep the peace.  I'm rooting for Russia here, I guess. 

When the USA and its allies created over 1 million Iraqi casualties and 5 million Iraqi refugees the press was silent on it.  Now there are headlines about Syrian many fewer casualties and refugees daily as some sort of humanitarian crisis warranting intervention.  I wonder how many of the refugees are fleeing for the second time in a decade?  How many more would flee under an occupation and regime change that follows the Afghanistan/Iraq/Libya template?

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 06:00 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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Here is a good link to Russky Black Sea Fleet:

http://flot.sevastopol.info/eng/ship/

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 07:27 | Link to Comment Bazza McKenzie
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Putin knows Obama is a cowardly bully.  He'll only attack people who can't fight back.  Putin knows Russia's history and its record of fighting brutally against ferocious foes and winning whatever the cost.  Obama thinks America's history starts with him.

Putin won't back down and Obama doesn't have the gonads to face him down, whatever the strength of the US military.

Obama and Israel are going to find their adventure in Syria tough, disappointing and embarrassing.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 07:41 | Link to Comment Rodders75
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Prob more likely to kick off between Syria and Israel, the "Great Confrontation" according to Hizballah...http://www.debka.com/article/22980/Syrian-Hizballah%E2%80%99s-capture-of-Qusayr-opens-direct-weapons-route-to-Lebanon

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 07:45 | Link to Comment kralizec
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Ooh, scary!  Two more rusting Rooskie relics, color my shorts brown.

No big deal.

If it were up to me I'd leave Syria to the Rooskies, those two deserve each other, the US has zero legitimate security interest there, period.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 08:32 | Link to Comment orangegeek
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If you look real close in the second photo, you can see a Russian sailor bent over the rail throwing up because he had too much vodka for breakfast.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 12:51 | Link to Comment earleflorida
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"Syria highlights U.S. political impotence"   by Ramzy Baroud  5/21/13   @ atimes.com

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MID-01-210513.html

*this is what happens when you fight endless wars without paying for them,... other than a gift to america's foreign policy keeper's-- this limitless bounty of poppy, oil, and colonialization of the west bank/ gaza strip  for the few?

**Think of the Roman Empire's final days before the "Vandal`ism, and then the lights went out?

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