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IRS' Lois Lerner To Plead The Fifth Before House Oversight Committee

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For an affair that numerous media outlets will have you believe has been spun out of all proportion, and that it really is the conservatives fault that the IRS was targeting them, it is somewhat ironic that the IRS official who opened up the entire Pandora's box with her targeted apology two weeks ago, and who learned in 2011 about the improper targeting of political groups yet lied under oath to Congress to the contrary, has decided to plead the Fifth and will invoke her right not to testify on Wednesday for fear of self-incrimination, according to her lawyer. But this would mean that... she may have something to hide? And that would be rather problematic for the media's spin cycle, although we are confident it will take just a few minutes of deep though in the proper channels, before this all too overt admission of guilt is somehow spun as the IRS being the unwitting targets of an aggressive McCarthyesque campaign seeking to discredit the government's impartial tax collector whose only noble purpose is to enable the government to get even bigger.

From the LA Times:

Lois Lerner, the head of the exempt organizations division of the IRS, won’t answer questions about what she knew about the improper screening — or why she didn’t disclose it to Congress, according to a letter from her defense lawyer, William W. Taylor III. Lerner was scheduled to appear before the House Oversight Committee on Wednesday.


“She has not committed any crime or made any misrepresentation but under the circumstances she has no choice but to take this course,” said a letter by Taylor to committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Vista). The letter, sent Monday, was obtained Tuesday by the Los Angeles Times.

Perhaps she could clarify what circumstances those are: maybe the same ones that forced her to bow out of the Western New England Law School commencement speech?

Taylor, a criminal defense attorney from the Washington firm Zuckerman Spaeder, said that the Department of Justice has launched a criminal investigation, and that the House committee has asked Lerner to explain why she provided “false or misleading information” to the committee four times last year.


Since Lerner won’t answer questions, Taylor asked that she be excused from appearing, saying that would “have no purpose other than to embarrass or burden her.” There was no immediate word whether the committee will grant her request.

Wait, criminal investigation? Does this mean that the administration will offer yet another deferred-prosecution deal whose terms will involve harsh mandatory lifetime pensions and onerous full benefits upon retirement?  Surely not even a corrupt, co-opted, drenched in scandals administration is that inhumane.

And on that note, we leave you with...


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Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:34 | 3585559 flacon
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If we all stop paying our taxes together then we can defeat them. 

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:39 | 3585576 player333
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Exactly, the next civil war has begun and the only way to defeat this now has a life and purpose of its own..survice and grow-is to starve the beast.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:44 | 3585592 john39
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no crime committed if you aren't earning any real money...   why work for the system anyway, the criminals are just going to steal from you or inflate away your wealth... 

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:48 | 3585606 Randall Cabot
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Brother Nathanael: The Real IRS Scandal

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:52 | 3585623 kaiserhoff
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She is now qualified to run the SEC.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:57 | 3585637 SHEEPFUKKER

What is this fifth ammendment she speaks of? I didn't know there were any rights left in the land of the free. 

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:57 | 3585639 imaginalis
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Give her a deal to blow the whistle

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:04 | 3585660 Chupacabra-322
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It’s already been documented in the IG’s report. Analyzing the email records of the IRS and correlating it with the White House sign-in logs, the POTUS (Obama) met with the head of the IRS employees union on March 31 .. and the directives began to flow on April 1, via email, to closely scrutinize, investigate, and report on the Tea Party. The only missing pieces of that puzzle are the minutes of that meeting and any related White House email activity. It’s time for Congress to subpoena those items!

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:26 | 3585731 DeadFred
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You are making big assumptions there. The IRS union head swears that there were no meetings with the Prez or Treasury Secretary or anyone of importance. Perhaps it was a sight seeing tour because, after all, everyone should see the White House sometime in their life.

Remember for these guys English is a second language, lies are their native tongue.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:52 | 3585811 SMG
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Oooo look.  The Oligarchs aren't just using the IRS:


And don't think about complaining peasant,  now the IRS has it's own army:


Tue, 05/21/2013 - 19:04 | 3585861 francis_sawyer
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Tue, 05/21/2013 - 19:11 | 3585893 MrPalladium
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A Lois Lerner targeting the right?

My, what a surprise!

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 19:21 | 3585929 Big Slick
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Chupacabra-322  I've seen reports that 1 day prior to POTUS's meeting with the IRS union leaders, he met with a leader of an anti-tea party organization in the White House.  Know anything about this?

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 19:25 | 3585946 johngaltfla
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It doesn't matter. With Holder's announcement last Friday, the scandal has been Fast and Furuioused....


The IRS Scandal is Officially Dead

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 20:31 | 3586122 economics9698
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Tue, 05/21/2013 - 20:40 | 3586142 Henry Chinaski
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I'd hit it. Bitchez!


Tue, 05/21/2013 - 21:19 | 3586241 Joe Davola
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Watched a documentary on the military channel last night (yes, right wing nerd through and through) about the rise of the Nazi party:

1.  Debase the currency - check

2.  Control the media - check

3.  Target specific groups - check

4.  Vilify the opposition - check

5.  Eliminate dissenters - check

6.  Rule by decree - check

7.  Eminate legislative body - soon enough

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 21:52 | 3586321 erg
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Instead of the usual fare such as nooses and the like, let's reintroduce the often forgotten trebuchet.

Fling 'em all into the sunset. We can attach streamers so that we can hear them whistle as they're launched over yonder hill.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 23:41 | 3586598 Al Gorerhythm
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I'll keep my dogs locked up when you are in the area.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:56 | 3585828 krispkritter
Tue, 05/21/2013 - 23:07 | 3586520 erg
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+1 I remember his interview where he detailed his fleeting friendship with a Rockefucker. I forget which hydra-head.

Little Jimmie? Steve? Bubba? Gino? Aardvark, armadillo? Jim?

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 19:03 | 3585859 knukles
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Well he's right, isn't he.  They may have met with them but at least one party to the meeting is not important.  We'll see who gets thrown under the bus :)

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 19:00 | 3585845 NoDebt
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This thing I find most telling in these affairs is how QUICKLY they were already happening.  About the time various "fringe" groups (ZH, Tea Party, anyone standing up and sayin "wait a minute") just started pointing out possible areas of governmental abuse of power IT WAS ALREADY IMPLEMENTED.  Not "maybe someday," not "in the future".  It was ALREADY HAPPENING.

That's the problem with being cynical.  You can never be cynical enough to get ahead of the curve.

Can't wait to see this same organization implementing Obamacare.  Should be very entertaining considering how much it's going to cost all of us.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 19:04 | 3585864 knukles
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It is not a Conspiracy Theory when it's a Fucking Fact.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 19:17 | 3585917 krispkritter
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 "In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." George Orwell 

Well, we know who the revolutionairies aren't...

 "Never wear your best trousers when you go out to fight for freedom and truth." Henrik Ibsen

and lastly; "If not us, who? If not now, when?"

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 20:20 | 3586096 Chuck Walla
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"Truth is treason in the Empire of Lies."

~ Ron Paul


Wed, 05/22/2013 - 07:57 | 3587063 kill switch
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Here's another little gem of truth being ignored.


The 16th was never ratified..

On January 10, 2008, the Federal District Court in Chicago issued a permanent injunction against Bill Benson on the grounds that by offering information demonstrating that the 16th Amendment was not legally ratified, he was promoting an abusive tax shelter. The Court then refused to look at the government-certified documentary evidence, deciding instead that the facts necessary to prove his statements true were "irrelevant."

What has America come to when the government we created to protect our rights can accuse us of lying and then prohibit us from presenting a defense in a court of law?

Watch the Benson Video

The Premise

The federal government rests its authority to collect income tax on the 16th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution—the federal income tax amendment—which was allegedly ratified in 1913.

"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."

—The 16th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America

After an extensive year-long nationwide research project, William J. Benson discovered that the 16th Amendment was not ratified by the requisite three-fourths of the states and that nevertheless Secretary of State Philander Knox had fraudulently declared ratification.

It was a shocking revelation; it reached deep to the core of our American system of government.

The Discovery

Article V of the U.S. Constitution defines the ratification process and requires three-fourths of the states to ratify any amendment proposed by Congress. There were fourty-eight states in the American Union in 1913, meaning that affirmative action of thirty-six was necessary for ratification. In February 1913, Secretary of State Philander Knox proclaimed that thirty-eight had ratified the Amendment.

In 1984 Bill Benson began a research project, never before performed, to investigate the process of ratification of the 16th Amendment. After traveling to the capitols of the New England states and reviewing the journals of the state legislative bodies, he saw that many states had not ratified. He continued his research at the National Archives in Washington, D.C.; it was here that Bill found his Golden Key.

This damning piece of evidence is a sixteen-page memorandum from the Solicitor of the Department of State, among whose duties is the provision of legal opinions for the Secretary of State. In this memorandum, the Solicitor lists the many errors he found in the ratification process.

These four states are among the thirty-eight from which Philander Knox claimed ratification:

  • California: The legislature never recorded any vote on any proposal to adopt the amendment proposed by Congress.

  • Kentucky: The Senate voted on the resolution, but rejected it by a vote of nine in favor and twenty-two opposed.

  • Minnesota: The State sent nothing to the Secretary of State in Washington.

  • Oklahoma: The Senate amended the language of the 16th Amendment to have a precisely opposite meaning.



Tue, 05/21/2013 - 19:35 | 3585977 Herd Redirectio...
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The very term Conspiracy Theory is discredited.  We should stop using it. The truth is, if you had proof of some of this stuff, real proof, they wouldn't hesitate to have you 'commit suicide'. 

Want that level of proof?  You need to realize its unlikely, because we are talking about people willing to kill in order to avoid being caught. 

If you are an insider, you can't leak the truth.  But you can hint to people, point them in the right direction, show them whats in the public domain, get them asking the right questions.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 21:07 | 3586211 Lost Word
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I prefer the term Conspiracy History.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:07 | 3585673 McMolotov
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"Here's what you do. You tell him that you're his friend and that you're going to help him and that everything's going to be alright. And then you put a wire on him, and you find out who's selling him drugs, and then you get that guy and you flip him. Turn him into a snitch. You follow that guy to people really, really bad. Been watching The Wire recently. I don't understand a word of it."

—Michael Scott, The Office

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 08:08 | 3587093 kralizec
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Yeah, I'd give her a deal!  Cough up who authorized this or stay locked in a pillory on the Capitol lawn without food or water...or die for your master...your choice, bitch!

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:55 | 3585827 TheFourthStooge-ing
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What is this fifth ammendment she speaks of?

It's from an archaic and obsolete governing document which has been superseded by The Global War on Terra®.

As an IRS official, Lois Lerner should know quite well that the Constitution is to be disregarded. She also knows that the standard procedure for individuals which are not quite fully "cooperative" is waterboarding until the desired answers are obtained. She must have an interesting ace up her sleeve.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 19:01 | 3585847 Taint Boil
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Fifth Amendment: 

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. 

It is her right, what’s the problem? 

Taint Boil says:

Better to let a guilty man go free than convict a person who is innocent – end of story.


Tue, 05/21/2013 - 19:07 | 3585877 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Taint Boil says:

Better to let a guilty man go free than convict a person who is innocent – end of story.

I agree. That must make me a terra-ist.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 19:26 | 3585952 krispkritter
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Um, yeah, if they were in fact subjected to the Rule of Law and allowed to be properly vetted in the system. Problem is, the system is circumvented, diluted, and corrupt for those in power.  Therefore I'd prefer to start the head-letting and when the heads start rolling, those who are most corrupt will call for the reinstatement of law. Why? Because they know that without it, there will be no end to their slaughter.  Call me an optimist but I think without that type of persuasion, there will be no end to the corruption and greed. 

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 19:41 | 3585993 nmewn
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Its a little different when its a government employee using the states apparatus and the "color of law" against the citizen who has done absolutely nothing illegal.

Hitler had laws & courts too.

They've already admitted they targeted their political opponents...not criminals.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 19:49 | 3586015 krispkritter
krispkritter's picture, amen...

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 19:53 | 3586037 nmewn
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Yeah, my brother...

"I can confirm that an intrusion of my computers has been under some investigation on my end for some months but I'm not prepared to make an allegation against a specific entity today as I've been patient and methodical about this matter." Sharyl Attkisson

Just sayin, she's my favorite bulldog ;-)

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 19:59 | 3586050 Taint Boil
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Apologies, nmewn….. not directed towards you but: 

We are a republic not a democracy; mob rule has no place in a republic. You may not like it and maybe I don’t like it … but it is not for us to decide. 

They've already admitted they targeted their political opponents…. 

Yeah, they’re scum, but the constitution protects them, as it should … or am I wrong? That is the beauty of it … the scum go free to protect the innocent – fine by me.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 20:13 | 3586073 krispkritter
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Who gets to decide then?  If the only right they observe is for themselves, and themselves alone, and it is to protect them and they can throw all Other's rights away in the bid to save their asses, what sort of Republic remains for the common man? Is that then a Republic? 

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 20:50 | 3586160 Cdad
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We have not been a Republic for a long time now.  

On the point of the Constitution, you are correct.  However, failure to testify should then lead to a charges...and a trial.  Which is fine by me.  But will that happen?  My guess is no, and perhaps then you will see...that we have not been a Republic for a long time.


Tue, 05/21/2013 - 21:17 | 3586235 nmewn
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First off, no, thats not my down.

"They've already admitted they targeted their political opponents….

Yeah, they’re scum, but the constitution protects them, as it should … or am I wrong?"

The Constitution is no more, not the one our forefathers fought and bled out for. The Bill of Rights however, is still very much in force and will be forever. Its ours under any other name you want to call it natural rights or whatever you want.

And that (BoR's) doesn't apply to government, its henchmen or its employees, it never has. It supplies no protection for those in government who go against the People. It forbids government (contracturally) from doing exactly what it did.

Now one of the apparatchiks want to use the same device she/they abused?

I'm not that good natured. This is a crime above any other, they broke the trust.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 02:05 | 3586779 Taint Boil
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It supplies no protection for those in government who go against the People. It forbids government (contracturally) from doing exactly what it did. 

Hmmm, very good point(s) (including all the above replies) to my “throw gas on the fire” statement, this is why I like Zero hedge. 

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 19:16 | 3585910 Oquities
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your moniker, your sarcasm, your explicit bluntness make me proud of this website's free speech credo.  they enable you.  your succintness and in-your-face-itioness astound.  clap,clap.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 23:12 | 3586534 DaveyJones
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the fifth amendment is the right to substitute hope with hard liquor. It's why guards allow prisoners to make rasin wine. We borrowed the concept from Russia

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:23 | 3585719 buyingsterling
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rhymes with runt


Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:05 | 3585667 CrashingDollars
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Love brother nathanial

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 21:13 | 3586226 max2205
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I like ZH the political site vs the gold site.  Thanks for the down arrows

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:08 | 3585675 Chupacabra-322
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The government has no interest in or philosophical belief in telling the public the “truth” .. we look at them as public servants because we are naive . Once you are a CRIMINAL member of the gang of government, your interests are with governments interests not ours. Governments interests are fundamentally opposed to the interests of its citizens, so it has to fool the host (us) in to thinking the parasitic relationship is necessary despite its obvious abusiveness. Its a classic abusive codependent relationship.

This whole thing is an orchestration. We are being fed and led like cattle. You can taste it.

Motive? I think the time is up for the sheep to be trusting much in our national identity. The PTB would rather we did not trust in the feds. They want to introduce an international force to subjugate us when our dollar evaporates. The usefulness of the sheep trusting the feds along with the pretense of a duly elected federal government is no longer needed. Soon it will be “you are either with our new and better global government or you will be with those whose claims to life and liberty are not necessarily recognized”. We all must cooperate or you must perish on the waysides.

What need do they have for anything resembling the United States once they have pulled the plug on our dollar? We know it is coming and any residual reliance on old glory may prove counterproductive. They are closing the book on the old Republic for those inattentive millions who still think it must somehow be alive and well if only they will keep waving their flags.

We’re going transnational/Resturcturing like it or not.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 19:43 | 3586004 Herd Redirectio...
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Stockholm Syndrome, IMO.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 08:00 | 3587074 jerry_theking_lawler
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Who is John Galt??

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:51 | 3585615 iDealMeat
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Stay "legal"..   Just cut your consumption in half..   Not that it really matters..  Ben already has the printer full throttle... 

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:56 | 3585635 seek
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Taxes are based on earnings, so cutting both earnings and consumption in half hits a lot harder.

Addressing Ben, though: operate with as little money in the banking system as possible. It messes with that whole fractional reserve thing to no end. Does interesting things to the veloocity of money, too. (Almost exactly what's happening right now.)

The more you do yourself, the more you barter, and the less you consume, the less power the system has.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:10 | 3585686 iDealMeat
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+1, If you're angry at the system you need to take a real hard look at your gluttonous lifestyle. You're responsible for your own consumption.

Every $ you spend, you condone, and enable the fractional reserve debt ponzi needs to survive.



Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:45 | 3585791 Henry Chinaski
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Fair tax might gain some traction before this is over.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 19:02 | 3585854 Arrowflinger
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Not for long. The "fair tax" is a creation of multinational corporations that forgives $1 trillion plus of deferred income taxes the moment it passes and in that same moment puts a 30% (up to date numbers are 35%) tax on grandma's nursing home care services. This is just another legislative perversity like the "Patriot" Act, bearing a soothing name to mask a voracious predator.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 22:09 | 3586367 Milestones
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Some references and evidence please-especially the multinational corp's 1 trillion "gift" and grandma's nursing care. Without some proof your claim doesn't pass the smell test. Info. please.          Milestones

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 22:31 | 3586439 Arrowflinger
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HR 25 - the Fairtax bill - is a tax on services. Medical care and nursing home care services are definitely included.

I worked in corporate sales taxation for decades and got large results via tax research. Hence I looked into HR 25.

The basic research was funded by a group of oil execs including some from Shell Oil and Enron.

Capital intensive corporations have huge deferred income tax balances, which are timing difference due to the use of accrual based financial reporting. The research I compiled 4 years ago from SEC data indicated that just 15 corps had $200 billion in deferred income taxes. I suspect that extrapolating from that would produce $1.5 trillion across the universe of companies with deferred income tax balances. There is no provision in HR 25, the Fair tax BILL, for the payment of existing deferred income tax balances once the Fair tax is adopted.

Fair tax = CON JOB.

I do hope the Fairtax catches more interest. It will be fun seeing it crash and burn.




Tue, 05/21/2013 - 19:15 | 3585908 nmewn
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That is my desire...and to destroy the IRS as the states weapon of choice against us.

Its not enough to be just pissed anymore, its not enough to point out the bureaucratic/elite class vs the rest of us.

The kings tax collectors were reviled for the same set of laws for the set of laws for us.

Free Corzine! ;-)

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:09 | 3585679 salvadordaly
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and all this time I thought the constitution is old and out dated, untill it is not!

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:46 | 3585597 Rainman
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Hmmm...LA Times....smells like an Isaa hit job. If so, nice goin ' !

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:03 | 3585659 Ignatius
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The real crime of the IRS


A)  That it exists

B)  If it does/must exist, that the code exceeds 5 simple pages


End the FED and the IRS

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:23 | 3585712 Chupacabra-322
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Let's see, Hmmmm.  Plead the 5th or CIA AL CIA duh cement shoes.  Decisions, decisons, decisions.

I agree with your statement.  Plus, a fixed 100 year National Sales Tax say 5 or 7% much like the Federal Reserve 100 year charter which cannot be repealed, vetoed, or revisited. 

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:33 | 3585753 Ignatius
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"... which cannot be repealed, vetoed, or revisited."

The SOURCE of their power, yes.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:14 | 3585697 kchrisc
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Rejection, our greatest and easiest weapon to deploy against them: just quit paying, quit obeying and quit playing their dirty game.

Rejection; Revolution; Retribution; Restoration of the Constitutional republic


Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:39 | 3585778 Slightly Insane
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New ammendment.


Tue, 05/21/2013 - 19:07 | 3585878 Ms. Erable
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Execution? Nah. Guilt by formal accusation, minimum sentence of five years at hard labor.

After 5 years hard labor, then we starve them to death.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 19:27 | 3585955 nmewn
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The remarkable thing is, she hasn't been fired.

But I guess when one compares this to Holder (Fast & Furious), currently under contempt of Congress for not producing documents the Peoples representatives have lawfully asked for and Obama trying to cover his malfeseance in office (to be generous) with "Executive Privilege" anythings possible.

Its really surreal...thousands of Mexicans are screaming for justice also...from the Justice Department & Obama.

And they plead the fifth on that too.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:42 | 3585786 The Thunder Child
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You are 100% correct, a tax revolt is the only way to put an end to the corruption, the IRS and the Federal Reserve. Anything else will have little to no effect, armed marches will only serve to cement the corruption with further police state mechanisms.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 19:23 | 3585935 kchrisc
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Rejection: Reject paying, obeying and playing.

Don't pay back any debt, it was all stolen by the banksters twice anyways--once from your bank account when they created "loan money" and a second time with TARP etc.

Don't pay taxes, fees, permits or anything else.

Shit most will eventually not be able to pay anyways, might as well stop on your own terms.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:43 | 3585787 Jdog
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Do the crime, then plead the fifth and kept saying I don't know, I don't remember then you will be out of jail! Take a page out of Obama's play book! unreal

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:54 | 3585821 solgundy
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Tue, 05/21/2013 - 19:26 | 3585953 Al Gorerhythm
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There is the story of the young bull and the old bull, seperated from a herd of heifers by a barbed wire fence and the young bull notes with enthusiasm to the old bull; "Look at all those beautiful cows, man. We should break through this fence and mount one of those girls!!!!!"

The old bull threw a laconic glance at the young bull and said, "Steady on young fella. Lets break through the fence and mount the lot!"


Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:55 | 3585825 world_debt_slave
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US patriots against the liberal/welfare/foodstamp/disability whores/union/fed zombie apocolypse

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 19:18 | 3585918 azzhatter
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guy in that video looks like obama's son if he had a son

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 19:47 | 3586016 Herd Redirectio...
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And Obama looks like Frank Marshall Davis' son.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 19:19 | 3585923 Al Gorerhythm
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If we all stop paying our taxes together then we can defeat them. 

There are many facets of tax implementation. Income tax is only one face of the Scylla. If we had jobs we could avoid the taxes, yes. If we didn't eat, we could avoid their taxes. If we stopped accepting welfare (money dilution policies), we could avoid their taxes. If we didn't die, we could avoid their taxes. If we could avoid drinking, driving, smoking and spending, we could avoid their taxes. How do you convince a world full of tax recipients that we only have good intentions as they starve and that we mean them no harm?   A giant reset is due and necessary. Your noble proposal will accellerate that outcome but not prevent it or on its own cure the global malaise of over-sized government and corruption.  There are two constants in life: Government by Tyrany and Government by Liberated People. The ratio between the two is the balancing act of social wellbeing. One of them is out of proportion. A rebalance is necessary and annals of history show that the unfortunate schlub attached to the hind tit of the government will be on the receiving end of the reset.
Tue, 05/21/2013 - 19:37 | 3585982 forwardho
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Very well said.


Tue, 05/21/2013 - 19:53 | 3586034 Dingleberry
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Drag the wench in front of Congress, have her listen to all the babble they will spew for hours until they ask her an actual question, and she will plead the fif.

Listening to that committe for hours will be worse than going to Gitmo.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 20:28 | 3586114 OldPhart
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That's fine.

Terminate from position, revoke any retirement, revoke any employer contributions to secondary pension(s), revoke any sort of government healthcare, ban from qualifying for any sort of public assistance, seize any second or thirdhomes, seize any financed asset, place on terrorism watch list, place on 'do not fly' list, place on the molesters list, and publicize their primary address.

If you work for government you WILL answer our questions: whether they embarrass or implicate you; or you will lose everything you've worked for in your life and be turned into a social pariah.   This standard should be applied to every person in government office regardless of position.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 00:03 | 3586650 stormsailor
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cool, and when you're done with the house, senate, supreme court, and executive branch.  maybe the truth will come out.


personally i think an even 1000 lobbiest should jump from the highest building in the land,  just to keep it interesting.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 08:53 | 3587228 Cole Younger
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Won't work...ben will just print what the government needs..

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:34 | 3585560 Bastiat
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Dave Chappelle is on her legal team.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 00:00 | 3586641 RideTheWalrus
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Ummmm. NO. But I can tell you that? I plead the fizzif

I Plead The Fif - YouTube

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:35 | 3585563 Seasmoke
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Better Make This Bitch Say Those Words in front of the Nation

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:43 | 3585586 sschu
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Agreed.  If they do not force her to claim the 5th on TV, then they (primarily House Repubs) are not serious about this affair.

And she skates and in her new postion does the same thing.  "Oh, that application for a blood transfusion got lost in the stack of requests, so sorry your Tea Party brother passed away.  No one knows how it happened."


Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:54 | 3585627 Ignatius
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We still have the 5th? 

Interesting, who gets the 5th and who gets rendition and torture.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:05 | 3585665 Bastiat
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Yeah, but it's really hard to say it with a soaked towel over your face.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:17 | 3585703 Ignatius
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A warm towel?  That'd be nice.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:32 | 3585751 DeadFred
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When the IRS had to give up their screening list of keywords like "Tea Party, Liberty, Patriots, and 9-12" they sold it to the guys who determine who gets the 5th vs rendition. 

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 19:29 | 3585963 Al Gorerhythm
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In this corrupt world of presidential protection, who needs the 5th?

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:59 | 3585638 McMolotov
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History suggests that government officials hate every single amendment except the Fifth, and they only want that one for themselves.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:31 | 3585748 Ignatius
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They have already legalized insider trading for themselves.


Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:33 | 3585755 Bazza McKenzie
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Pretty sure they're OK with the 16th

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:50 | 3585804 Colonel Klink
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How about before they can claim their fifth amendment right, they have to obey the first four.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 20:33 | 3586125 Miss Expectations
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I want her questioned all day.  I want her to invoke her right against self incrimination hundreds and hundreds of times.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:36 | 3585566 Bay of Pigs
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And there is your patsy.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:02 | 3585658 Chupacabra-322
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The President is the ‘head’ of The Executive branch of the government. The main responsibility of the Executive Branch is to ensure that all departments, programs, etc created or approved by Congress are acting and operating in the fashion and manner by which they are mandated to do. Their responsibility is to oversee the actions of the institutions created by Congress, plain and simple.

The repeated denial of knowledge of what the IRS, DOD, CIA or any other agency created and authorized by Congress is either:

(A) A complete deleriction of duty mandated by the Constitution, cause for impeachment.

(B) A coverup of criminal activity and abuse of power, cause for impeachment and criminal charges.

This administration CANNOT be allowed to get away with this unscathed given the fact that there are only two possibilities

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 19:21 | 3585924 F. Bastiat
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He's also a delusional marxist.

He's talked about going "Bulworth" recently, in the Post.  We need to continue to coax him out of the marxist closet so we can rub some salt in his wounds and let them fester.


Hussein Obama admits he's a communist:

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:37 | 3585567 RacerX
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The Chappelle skit just about sums it up.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:39 | 3585575 Charles Wilson
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Ray Charles and Helen Keller could see this shit.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:47 | 3585602 john39
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if you see something, say something....

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 19:10 | 3585888 knukles
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If you don't just blather about how it'll fuck up America anyhow.
You don't even have to understand the shit
At all!

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:40 | 3585577 Don Diego
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I can't believe it, another Tapir. Are Tapirs the only ones allowed to fill the top positions in the finance-related agencies?

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:41 | 3585580 dobermangang
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This administration has thrown so many people under the bus, that I think it's about to crash.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:46 | 3585598 Bawneee Fwank
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Its the new green power...flintstone power!  Once you get enough people under the bus it becomes flintstone powered.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:41 | 3585581 q99x2
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I'm not a conservative. I believe in law and order. I hate out of control FEDs that promote anarchy and chaos. I say get the bitch in a head lock until she says, "Obama."

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:25 | 3585727 flacon
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An-archy just means not having someone else GOVERN one's own affairs. Chaos comes from people not being allowed to be in control of their own life - the opposite of an-archy. 

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:41 | 3585583 Little John
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Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:43 | 3585587 ziggy59
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It's absolutely amazing the same fools that disregard the Constitution will I and fall back on it when convenient for them

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:47 | 3585604 Dr. No
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that is funny.  A unconstitutional branch, in charge of stealing money for an unratified amendment, pleads the fifth.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:43 | 3585588 buzzsaw99
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Stay out of hot tubz bitchez

bang dae-ho

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:44 | 3585589 Joebloinvestor
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INDICT her NOW and today.

Charge her with LYING to congress, hold up her pension and any benefits.

What she really doesn't want to answer for is her signature and fast tracking of Barry's half brother's SCAM.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:13 | 3585691 Chupacabra-322
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Bengazi, Bengazi, Bengazi, Bengazi, BENGAZI, BENGAZI, BENGAZI, .........

Focus.  Everything else is just more Criminal moot. 

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:44 | 3585590 twh99
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If she (per her attorney) has committed no crime, then why plead the 5th?  What is she afraid of?

At the very least she needs to lose her job.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:05 | 3585664 seek
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This is actually a pretty common misconception. It's advisable especially if you're innocent to assert fifth amendment rights.

The rationale is pretty straightforward. They're looking to prosecute someone, and it's stupid to help them prosecute you.

Now in this case, it looks like she's already fucked, but that doesn't change the premise:

if a cop asks you if the sun in shining, plead the fifth. They're not there to help you if they're asking questions.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:47 | 3585796 MachoMan
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Bingo...  nothing to see here, move along.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:49 | 3585799 Grinder74
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The SEC, for one, is known for taking anything you say and using it against you--even if they're just "chatting" with you informally.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:49 | 3585798 ncdirtdigger
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"What is she afraid of?"  Maybe she's afraid of getting Scooter Libbyied.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:45 | 3585595 Dr. No
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To be honest, if called in front of congress I too would plead the 5th.  Not cuz im guilty but rather just to screw with them.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:04 | 3585655 Harbanger
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If you want to screw with them, drink a fifth and invoke the second.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:34 | 3585757 Blues Traveler
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My Man!

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:35 | 3585765 Bad Attitude
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Guns and alcohol do not mix!

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:52 | 3585810 Grinder74
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Are you the idiot that tried to shoot Jack Daniels out of my huntin' rifle?

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:36 | 3585767 StarTedStackin'
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uh sure thing Barack.....I mean asshole

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:47 | 3585599 F. Bastiat
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The 16th amendment needs to be repealed. Along with the 17th.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:24 | 3585723 Harbanger
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I'm for that.  I would also like an amendment eliminating career politicians, 2 terms max, for life for everybody across the board. And since elections seem to be rigged by special interest groups, maybe a lottery system for qualified citizens to hold office.  I'd rather have my neighbor the baker holding office.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:49 | 3585800 MachoMan
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The lottery needs to be from the public at large...  I'm guessing it could follow the same exact process of jury selection/voir dire...  possibly even american idol style voting.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:56 | 3585831 Harbanger
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I'm just thinking out loud because I'm looking for a solution against the institutionalized fraud.  I know there is a solution that gives power back to the citizens and we will find it.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 10:15 | 3587616 MachoMan
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I've made quite a few posts on the issue, but seriously, I'll trust a random selection from the populace to anyone who nominates himself to rule.  You have to tie in campaign reform (purely public, purely equal amounts of funding; private monies use to campaign have a 200% tax penalty or the like + jail time)...  and you have to eliminate lobbying...  and you have to eliminate similar/same treatment for entities (instead of warm bodies/people).  Among other things...

Of course, with all of that, you'd still get the same result...  because it has nothing to do with the person elected and everything to do with the organizational infrastructure (bureaucracy).  But, I digress.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 19:21 | 3585886 kchrisc
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While I respect you and your views, your comment is hilarious, "The 16th amendment needs to be repealed. Along with the 17th."

Like they pay any attention to that "God damn piece of paper" anyways.

Look, those of the US government are either operating within Constitutional bounds or they are not. If they are not then they are nothing more than a rogue group of criminals.

That is the import of the Constitution, as a guide to the level of tyranny and criminality of those of the US government--obeying the Constitution, great, not obeying, then they are criminals and it's time to bring out the guillotines.

" is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government..." Thomas Jefferson, Declaration of Independence

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:47 | 3585603 The Heart
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"And that would be rather problematic for the media's spin cycle,"

Yes, heard this story. Here is more proof that there is so much to hide from the American and world public. This is unfortunately, only the tip if the horrendous iceberg that still lies under the slimy arts of cover up. One could just wonder what the old leaderfuhrer puppet would say on the stand?

This is what it is.



Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:48 | 3585605 spanish inquisition
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Pretty sure the only Fifth that exists any more can fit in a paper sack.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:48 | 3585607 nasa
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Maybe she should call Jaime and Lloyd and ask how they do it.  


Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:49 | 3585610 semperfi
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GOVT  =  criminals creating and using law to enrich themselves

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:51 | 3585617 highwaytoserfdom
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Jack Lew will get to the bottom of this just send your files to

Ugland House

335 South Church Street

George Town on Grand Cayman Island

      Attention:  790k totally legal  bonus plan department 

REF government service re-employment  Non_profit 


Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:52 | 3585618 Bawneee Fwank
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Fuck her, Fuck the IRS...takes my money and gives it to inner city and third world mongrels

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:06 | 3585670 ebworthen
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Those immigrants are stimulus, for the jobs we don't have.

Detroit madness!

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:38 | 3585772 Bad Attitude
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Is the prison industry really that stimulative to the economy?

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:10 | 3585688 Debt Slave
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The IRS is the right arm of the motherland.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:56 | 3585621 ebworthen
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If it were a Republican President and Administration persecuting:  the ACLU, Planned Parenthood, and the NAACP - two sets of Woodward and Bernstein's would have appeared and it would be the most egregious scandal and violation of rights in history.

It would be headline news for six months, and combined with the harassment of journalists, would persist until the President resigned.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:37 | 3585769 StarTedStackin'
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No Shit!

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:52 | 3585622 illyia
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I just don't buy that going after the peons is going to do a damn thing. I don't even buy "Obama is the problem" meme.

There is a whole lot more going on than one guy set up to take the speaking role. Or one shill getting nailed for lying. It isn't Holder or even Bernanke. It wasn't GWB (but probably was Cheney! on another surface level, but that is another story, eh?).

It's more fundamental than that.

She's a patsy, as are most of the players in the "news". Just a dog and pony show.

Keeps Sheeple from suspecting that there is a curtain - never mind looking behind one.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:54 | 3585629 Smiley
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Our country is run by WHORES:  Filthy, lying, disease spreading whores with no redeeming qualities.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:08 | 3585676 Debt Slave
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Yeah but look at the culture they give us!

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:34 | 3585760 Quisat_Sadarak
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If only you could bottle that and sell it.  I would call it "Eau de Corruption".



Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:51 | 3585807 MachoMan
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Every country is run by whores...  they're the only ones who'll nominate themselves for the job.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 22:04 | 3586350 sadpanda
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Now now a whore will tell you up front how much it going to cost to fuck you. I've never seen that level of transparency from the feds.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:54 | 3585630 Van Halen
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Most transparent administration EVAH!!1!!

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 18:07 | 3585674 Bastiat
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Getting moreso by the day!

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