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Eric Holder Admits To First Americans Killed By Drone Strikes

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In a letter to Congress (below), AG Eric Holder admitted that the administration deliberately killed American Anwar al-Awlaki (the radical Muslim cleric) in a drone strike in September 2011 adding, as the NY Times reports, "the decision to target Anwar al-Awlaki was lawful, it was considered, and it was just." As RT notes, there was collateral damage, as it has been widely reported but rarely acknowledged in Washington that two other US citizens - Samir Khan, and al-Awlaki's teenage son, Abdulrahman al-Awlaki - were executed in that same Yemen strike. With Holder’s latest admission, however, a fourth American - Jude Mohammed - has also been officially named a casualty of America’s continuing drone war; bringing the total 'known' Americans killed under the US Drone War to 4 since 2009.

Via NY Times,

One day before President Obama is due to deliver a major speech on national security, his administration on Wednesday formally acknowledged that the United States had killed four American citizens in drone strikes in Yemen and Pakistan.

 

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The American responsibility for Mr. Awlaki’s death has been widely reported, but the administration had until now refused to confirm or deny it.

The letter also said that the United States had killed three other Americans: Samir Khan, who was killed in the same strike; Mr. Awlaki’s son Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, who was also killed in Yemen; and Jude Mohammed, who was killed in a strike in Pakistan.

 

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According to former acquaintances of Mr. Mohammed in North Carolina, he
appears to have been killed in a November 2011 drone strike in South
Waziristan, in Pakistan’s tribal area. Mr. Mohammed’s wife, whom he had
met and married in Pakistan, subsequently called his mother in North
Carolina to tell her of his death, the friends say.

 

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These individuals were not specifically targeted by the United States,” Mr. Holder wrote

 

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Via Russia Today,

“The administration is determined to continue these extensive outreach efforts to communicate with the American people,” continued Holder. “To this end, the president has directed me to disclose certain information that until now has been properly classified..."

 

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As part of the vaguely defined ‘War on Terror,’ the US has reportedly waged drone strikes outside of Afghanistan where the Taliban once harbored al-Qaeda. In recent years, those strikes have targeted towns in neighboring Pakistan, as well as Yemen, Somalia and perhaps elsewhere.

 

But despite growing criticism over escalating use of drones, the president and his office has remained adamant about defending the operations. It’s “important for everybody to understand that this thing is kept on a very tight leash,” Obama said last January, adding that his administration does not conduct "a whole bunch of strikes willy-nilly.”

Full AG Letter:

ag-letter-5-22-13

 

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Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:08 | 3589549 slaughterer
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Can we impeach him yet?  

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:09 | 3589552 Bastiat
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Almost seems like he's asking for it.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:12 | 3589568 Cursive
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@Bastiat

Would Goebbels have been impeached?  Beria?

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:14 | 3589576 ACP
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No post on the Woolwich terror attack?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2329089/Woolwich-attack-Two-men-...

'We swear by almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you': What man holding bloody cleaver said after 'hacking soldier in Help For Heroes T-shirt to death just yards from Woolwich barracks'

Pretty coincidental to the riots in Sweden.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:19 | 3589595 McMolotov
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If that had been Texas, the headline would have read:

"Man Brandishing Meat Cleaver Shot Dead By 12 Bystanders."

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:43 | 3589676 gmrpeabody
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While I'm not shedding too many tears for Alla Walla Kolalli and company, I do wish Mr. Holder and company might accidently let lose one on themselves eventually.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 19:02 | 3589738 DeadFred
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Benghazigate, APgate and IRSgate are all heating up and the place holder guy reminds us "We can kill you if we want". Probably just a random coincidence.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 19:21 | 3589796 negative rates
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I see your willy-nilly, and raise you a silly willy.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 19:29 | 3589812 Manthong
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it gets to be a bitch when you have to disclose evil in policy

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 19:47 | 3589842 AlaricBalth
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I'm wondering how many times POTUS's name comes up when the National Counterterrorism Center run their models in the disposition matrix to determine who is a clear and present danger to the security of the US.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 20:04 | 3589879 James_Cole
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Hey Tyler, this is factually incorrect: As RT notes, there was collateral damage, as it has been widely reported but rarely acknowledged in Washington that two other US citizens - Samir Khan, and al-Awlaki's teenage son, Abdulrahman al-Awlaki - were executed in that same Yemen strike.

>> Abdulrahman al-Awlaki was killed in a SEPARATE strike. Very key difference. <<

 

There was has never been an explanation for why Abdulrahman al-Awlaki was targeted and there still isn't, he was not collateral damage in the strike that killed his father, the son was killed later. 

 

http://www.thenation.com/article/173980/inside-americas-dirty-wars?page=...

"After Abdulrahman heard the news of Anwar’s death, he called home for the first time and spoke to his mother and grandmother. “That’s enough, Abdulrahman. You have to come back,” his grandmother Saleha told him. “That’s it.” 

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He and his cousins had joined a group of friends outdoors to barbecue. There were a few other people doing the same nearby. It was about 9 pm when the drones pierced the night sky. Moments later, Abdulrahman was dead. So, too, were several other teenage members of his family, including Abdulrahman’s 17-year-old cousin Ahmed"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pOUFHTN1G4

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 20:05 | 3589911 Slewburger
Wed, 05/22/2013 - 20:23 | 3589966 Meat Hammer
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Holder admittedly violated American citizens' right to due process.  It should be an open and shut impeachment...

And Bernanke shouldn't counterfeit money...

And if my aunt had a dick she'd be my uncle...

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 21:15 | 3590035 James_Cole
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It's amazing (-ly depressing) how many people on the NYT comments section support these drone strikes, even more so in these specific cases. 

Don't even bother asking who the people hit were or why they were hit. Just assume .gov hit the bad guys for the right reasons and who needs due process anyway?

 

Obama admin targeting American teenagers with no known involvement in terrorism? A-ok. All in the name of fighting the good fight!

Your fellow citizens, probably not all they're cracked up to be:

http://cdn.twentytwowords.com/wp-content/uploads/No-Nazi-Salute-01-634x4...

 

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 15:45 | 3593347 NihilistZero
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At least you can get a conservative to question his double-think by arguing principals.  Liberal mainstream Obama voters have no principal other than "Support Dear Leader!" and "Progressive Government is Great!"  NYT readers are Liberal/Facist boot lickers of the first degree.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 23:09 | 3590608 Papasmurf
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I see your willy-nilly, and raise you a silly willy.

Do you miss slick willie yet?

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 00:41 | 3590847 RichardP
Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:48 | 3589694 Relentless
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Apparently the UK police shot two men - hopefully not for wearing puffer jackets.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:07 | 3592601 detached.amusement
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anyone else see the piss poor edit job they did to make the guy's hands look red?

oh, and in england the video that contain the unedited stuff has already been blocked.

bloody:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtLpBvjJFVo&feature=player_embedded

not bloody:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc62gkSN8W0&feature=player_embedded&bpctr...

and you can still see the edit-box around the cleaver:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BK5kp3WCIAEiyvH.jpg

 

all this technology and they cant even hire someone with competent editing skills.

you can even see the blurriness around his hands in the doctored one.  its pretty bad.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 19:07 | 3589755 TheObsoleteMan
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You Texans and your bullshit bravado; an attack WORSE than that happened in Texas {remember Ft.Hood?} and the attacker is alive and well. Hasn't even been court marshaled yet. So much for Texas machismo.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 19:10 | 3589763 outofideas
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To be fair, the soldiers at Ft Hood where not allowed to carry guns, unlike most Texans.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 19:12 | 3589772 NotApplicable
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Well, it was on an Army base (federal property), so there weren't any gunslingers around.

Interestingly enough, the guy has been paid $278k in salary since the shooting.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/21/fort-hood-shooter-has-drawn-278g-in...

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 19:12 | 3589773 ACP
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Wrong. That was on a military base, where firearms are tightly controlled.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 19:14 | 3589780 McMolotov
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A) I'm not a Texan.

B) Ft. Hood, although a military base, is a gun-free zone:

http://reason.com/archives/2009/11/11/the-folly-of-unilateral-disarm

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 19:34 | 3589826 Hobbleknee
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Makes perfect sense in Bizaro World.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 20:36 | 3590017 sun tzu
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That's because 0bozo the Clown is in commander in chief of the military, which is trying the case since it happened in a gun free zone on a federal army base. I didn't think anyone on ZH could be as stupid as you, but I was wrong.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:34 | 3589647 john39
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What a shock, ramping up the false flag events before they push for yet another evil war in the ME.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:35 | 3589650 fonzannoon
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That is the first thing that has happened in a while that I am pretty sure was not false. Just listen to the interview with meat cleaver guy. That shit was real.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:42 | 3589675 john39
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its already causing violence in the area... and fomenting more hate.  who benefits?  what is the british government pushing for? 

not saying that the guy with the cleaver didn't behead someone... what i am saying is that he is probably a drug addled meat puppet who had a handler tell him just what to do...

 

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:49 | 3589697 john39
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here is one example... 'anti-muslim' groups calling for "feet on the ground" in the area tonight...

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/470202/20130522/woolwich-beheading-edl-leader-tommy-robinson-rally.htm

this entire event smells centrally planned...  to increase hate, get the public in a war mood (blood lust); more police state.... less rights...    btw, Syria is about to break into all out war as the government is defeating the foreign mercs...  so cue NATO and the British government calling for arming the rebels (who would be exactly like the guy with cleaver in mentality), and a broader war...  it is all tied together.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 19:00 | 3589730 Cathartes Aura
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heading into an eclipsed full moon weekend, with a patriotic "Memorial Day" monday folks, pay attention.

upvoted you john39, because you're still able to see a wider picture, and haven't succumbed to taking an artificial "side" - wide angle lens people, don't get stuck in the muck. . .

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 19:06 | 3589751 john39
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indeed... i don't expect many upvotes on this topic...  people are hard wired it seems to fall for the events that set up for them...  911 was a classic example...  the MSM was telling us within the hour that it was osama and the muslims.   almost no one questioned the party line, and as a result, millions dead, most of them innocent people... wars around the world, total destruction of the constitution in the U.S., and on it goes...  wake up people, its getting pretty late, and something huge is lurking.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 19:41 | 3589836 nmewn
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So, you're saying Mr. Meat CleaverMan is a false flag?

A homicide, in broad daylight, filmed, making "his religious/political statement" afterwards to the world.

Is everything a fucking false flag with you people?

Burning down libraries in Timbuktu, naw, false flag. Destroying buddhist artifacts in Afghanistan, nope, false flag. Executions at soccer stadiums, family fun night?...naw, false flag.

Its incredible.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 19:51 | 3589858 Cathartes Aura
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consider that the "cleverman" is fallout for a lifetime's policies used on other'd peoples - whether he has a backstory, or is acting "on his own" it's the RE-action of authorities that bears watching. . .@ 17:35,

‘In response to the Woolwich incident, Conbra is being convened. Tom Newton Dunn, The Sun’s political editor, is also reporting that the Met are treating this as a terrorist incident. This means that the terrorism issue, which has dropped down the political agenda in the last few years, will again become a big part of our politics.’

consider that enough ticking time-bombs embedded in a system bent on self-destruction will inevitably see one go off.

Problem, Reaction, Solution - old as dirt.

 

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 20:04 | 3589899 nmewn
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"consider that the "cleverman" is fallout for a lifetime's policies used on other'd peoples"

Thats pretty much what Meat Cleaver Man said and what lifetime of policies? He doesn't look a day over thirty to me. He's obviously African descent so where would "his people" be under assault from the British government?

Rhodesia?...nope. Kenya?...nope. Where?

So, it is religious, just as Meat Cleaver Man also says.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 20:20 | 3589957 john39
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911 happened in broad daylight as well. So what? Goverenment controlled murder and terrorism is old news, or should be to anyone paying attention.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 21:09 | 3590156 Cathartes Aura
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by your logic, you should only be interested in those national policies that happened since you were born.

no need to worry over anything historical, anything that might be part of your "national identity" - no flags waving, no memories of family droned, bombed, incarcerated, abused, etc.

the British have a long history of colonisation, who knows in what way this has affected this man's family.

I'm in no way defending his actions, but seriously, these threads are filled daily with lamentations that reference history - it works both ways, and those being occupied now may have some survivors with family stories, going forward. . .

it's often called blowback.

Speaking in a British accent, the man said: ". . You think David Cameron is going to get caught in the street when we start bussin' our guns? You think politicians are going to die? No it's going to be the average guy, like you, and your children. So get rid of them. Tell them to bring our troops back so you can all live in peace."

whatever his "origins" from the news reported so far, he appears to be British.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 21:19 | 3590185 nmewn
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"by your logic, you should only be interested in those national policies that happened since you were born."

You set the parameters...you said lifetime, meaning his lifetime.

My ancestors were brutalized by yankees but I don't run down pasty skinned Michiganders on the sidewalk in my car and hack them to death with a meat cleaver while being filmed by my buddy.

That takes a special kind of hatred...one that will eat you from the inside out if let it.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 21:36 | 3590239 Cathartes Aura
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I'll pass on the distracting, wild side arguments tonight.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 22:16 | 3590413 Ima anal sphincter
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Never heard of the story until about 10 mins ago. As soon as it came on the boob-tube, I was up and out of the room. MSN.... ALL BULLSHIT!!!!

This "incident"...... BULLSHIT!!!!!

Stop eating their crap.... you'll be healthier for it.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 19:05 | 3589749 DeadFred
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Nasty dictator turning the tide and routing rebels leading to Western intervention. Where have I seen that plot line?

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:52 | 3589707 gmrpeabody
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Now that's a legitimate defense if ever I've heard one... <sarc>

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:44 | 3589681 NotApplicable
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Remember, in a false-flag attack, the events aren't false, but the "flag" is.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:47 | 3589693 fonzannoon
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"I'm sorry you people had to see this. Our people see it everyday. Get your people out of our country. Your government does not care about you"

 

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 19:00 | 3589729 Ness.
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Since local police aren't allowed to carry firearms it took over 20 minutes for the nearest 'armed' police to arrive and eventually shoot the perps.

You can't make this shit up.

"They took 20 minutes to arrive, the police – the armed response."

 

"It was strange, they didn't run off, they just stood there as if they were waiting for the police.

"It must've taken about 20 minutes for the police to arrive, I think it must've been because they were waiting for armed police.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10073910/Soldier-beheaded-in-Islamist-terror-attack-oustide-barracks-in-Woolwich.html

 

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 19:06 | 3589754 ACP
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They stood there waiting for police because that's what sheep do.

"The government will take care of this."

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 19:14 | 3589784 NotApplicable
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Well, it's not strange if these guys were programmed by some intelligence agency.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 19:04 | 3589744 Cathartes Aura
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sounds like a clear statement fonz - irrespective of his actions, how would it be different if someone in amrka committed a similar action, as is mentioned daily here?  how is this different to calls for "removing immigrants" in amrka?

"our people see it everyday" - do you doubt anything he is saying?

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 19:39 | 3589832 fonzannoon
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I think that guy was an example of someone with nothing to lose and actually was able to vocalize himself in the process. Nothing about that seemed false to me.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 19:59 | 3589877 Cathartes Aura
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all I'm suggesting is that perhaps his statements can be taken at face value, and in his mind he's acting in a loyal way - whether loyal to a "god" or a "nationstate" - he's identified with something, and sees another thing as an enemy.

it's a really popular way to be in the world lately.

but then, there's always a more complicated viewpoint, involving more sophisticated mind control. . . so many ways to approach what at first seems simple.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 19:41 | 3589834 WestVillageIdiot
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Goebbels died of poisoning along with his entire family.  Beria was beaten to death.

 

I have no other comment on that subject. 

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:12 | 3589570 TeamDepends
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Barry:  Boy, these speed bumps keep getting bigger and bigger...

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:15 | 3589580 Dr. Engali
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He is asking for it. Think of what will happen if we impeach America's first black president. It will rip this country apart. Which is what he has wanted from the beginning.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:21 | 3589605 MachoMan
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Why?  Everyone went after Clinton for less... 

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:26 | 3589614 Dr. Engali
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Clinton's impeachment was a distraction... A sideshow. This guy has nothing in common with Clinton other than the fact Clinton claimed to be the first black president and the "D" for their party affiliation. This guys followers will support him through anything. Talk to them sometimes they are freaking crazy.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:32 | 3589641 alien-IQ
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most americans treat politics in the same way they treat football. they pick a team and stick with it no matter what. the only difference is that they know a lot more about football than politics. and that's why we're in the situation we're in.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:40 | 3589671 newworldorder
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+ 1000

A thousand up arrows for you. The most perseptive post on this topic.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:45 | 3589684 NotApplicable
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A.K.A., "my country, right or wrong."

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 19:58 | 3589875 reTARD
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You mean how Tim Tebow now has Chuck Norris as his supporter? Pick a team and then grab all the big name supporters to rally your voting base. Who has the prettiest cheerleaders?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1648795-tim-tebow-has-a-new-fighter-in-his-corner-chuck-norris

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:26 | 3589618 NoDebt
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What if we say instead that we're impeaching America's first radical communist President?  Or America's first non-natural-born President?  Or America's most corrupt President? 

Any of those work better for you?  I thought we weren't supposed to care about skin color any more.  I certainly don't.  He's a bad guy and a bad president, period.  I don't care if he's purple or blue or..... as orange as Christine Lagarde.

 

 

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:30 | 3589631 Dr. Engali
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I don't care either. I'm just telling you what will happen when they do. Personally I think he is evil as hell and deserves much worse than impeachment. He needs to be tried for treason.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:32 | 3589640 fonzannoon
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Doc Obummer would step aside and urge us all to put our faith in Biden. That is when I leave town.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:35 | 3589652 Bay of Pigs
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Crazy Uncle Joe running the show?

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:36 | 3589655 fonzannoon
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That guy has nothing to lose. He scares the shit out of me.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 20:39 | 3590037 sun tzu
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That stroke he had killed most of his few remaining brain cells. 

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:36 | 3589653 Dr. Engali
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Lol ....if only. No he won't step down. Just like its raaccccisssst to criticize this guy it will be even more so to impeach him. He's been going to a lot of black colleges lately and reminding them that "he is a black man".

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:44 | 3589682 McMolotov
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Please. Homeboy's whiter than me, what with his mom jeans and 2 for 22 shooting in basketball games.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:46 | 3589688 Dr. Engali
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Lol that's why he has to remind them.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 20:34 | 3590010 Meat Hammer
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Not to mention his girly first pitch while wearing his Shoeless Joe Jackson era White Sox cap at a NATIONALS game.  Even Dubya was smart enough to wear a Yankees cap at Yankee Stadium. 

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:48 | 3589696 koaj
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outside of shooting a little girl on the white house lawn, obama will not be impeached. boehner doesnt have the balls and reid wont put it to a vote

 

the house cant even defund obamacare, they are going to impeach????

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:34 | 3589645 slaughterer
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Obama is a gangsta... he needs to be put in prison.  

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:58 | 3589719 gmrpeabody
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Whoever junked you needs to reread the above comment about Americans, fooball, and politics.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:32 | 3589639 SHEEPFUKKER
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Clearly wasn't wearing a "I'm not Eric Dorner" t-shirt. 

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:56 | 3589714 TheFourthStooge-ing
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It should be pointed out that al-Awlaki's sixteen year old son was killed in a separate drone strike about a month after al-Awlaki was killed.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 08:05 | 3591442 Watauga
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Stop it.  You know it is all George Bush's fault.  You can't blame Obama.  HE is about HOPE AND CHANGE.  YES, WE CAN!

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:10 | 3589560 McMolotov
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2013 is shaping up to be the year America goes full-retard banana republic.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:18 | 3589583 spine001
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Yes we should all write to our Congressmen

No, it is a waste of my time, lets just stay here bitching about it all

 

To all my fellow americans, power corrupts and abosolute power corrupts absolutely.. We are witnessing the effects of way too much power concentrated on the person of the President of the USA, nobody should have the power to simultaneously be police, judge, jury and executioner and Eric Holder is basically confessing that they are arrogating this administration this power unchecked.

The chekcs and balances that our system has, which allowed it to last this long, are key to its survival. We should all write VERY angry letters to our Congressional respresentatives requesting that a stop is put to this behaviour of HUBRIS on the part of our government and the unellected officials at the Federal Reserve.

Remember that a full retard banana republic is not compatible absolutely with the most powerful military in the world. So something has to give...

Until next time,

Engineer

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:28 | 3589625 NoDebt
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You had me at "we should all write to our Congressmen."

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:43 | 3589679 oddball
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These assholes don't respect the law of the land, the Constitution. You know they will read our angry letters and make changes.  lol

 

"Look another angry letter."  

"That does it, fire up the FEMA camps."

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 19:04 | 3589721 Money 4 Nothing
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Because they relinquish their American citizenship when their sworn in. All of them.

Search act of 1871.

They don't work for us, that's not their job, yet ignorant ' Mericans keep pulling those voting levers.You deserve what Goernance you get.They work for the Corporate State of 'Merica. NOT The united States. Lower case "u" intentional.

An example to get you started.

http://www.dailypaul.com/138686/the-act-of-1871-is-this-the-source-of-al...

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 19:08 | 3589760 oddball
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If voting mattered it would be made illegal.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 20:02 | 3589896 Cathartes Aura
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the voting happens in the voter's mind, everything else is superfluous.

it's the controlled mind that counts.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 23:58 | 3590752 Mrs. Haggy
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Tell most people that you didn't vote and they will say, "Thousands of Americans died so that you would have the right to vote." 

Yeah sure, these guys really went out there and died so that I would have the right to try to pick the lesser of two evils.  Wow, thanks for the choice between two people instead of just one.  Oh, that's right, one is for abortion and the other is against abortion.  I guess my vote really does matter.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:46 | 3589689 NotApplicable
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No doubt. Do you have any idea how expensive those fuckers are?

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 22:33 | 3590481 tarsubil
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I've written to three different Reps and spoken face to face with one. It is totally futile and a complete waste of time and effort. You're better off banging your head against the wall or bitching on here. Only a masochist would continually write their congress asshole.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:17 | 3589586 bank guy in Brussels
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Perhaps sometime in the 2020s ...

After new war crimes trials inside the former United States

A group of leading US figures including a Nobel-Prize-winning black former US President await their executions

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Wonder if Obama ever thinks that one day he could be facing a Master Sergeant about to put a rope around his neck

As Obama wonders if his neck will be broken and thus put him into a merciful coma

Or if Obama will strangle and choke slowly for half an hour, like others on the gallows have done

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 19:04 | 3589746 seek
Thu, 05/23/2013 - 16:16 | 3593486 NihilistZero
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Unless The Bushes and the Clintons were also facing the gallows justice would not be served :-)

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 19:12 | 3589770 prains
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murder is considered, lawful and just????????? same as it ever was. Here's your shark jump, right fucking here, all the others were head fakes, this is it.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:23 | 3589550 The Thunder Child
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No mention of the hundreds of innocent women and children you fucking scumbag murdering pieces of shit!

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:08 | 3589551 john39
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guilty, because we say so. that is all.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:09 | 3589555 Jekyll_n_Hyde_Island
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Freedom isn't free. 

 

 

And no, I'm not a neocon.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:13 | 3589573 McMolotov
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"It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed."

—Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 18:22 | 3593886 Jekyll_n_Hyde_Island
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I am the Walrus?

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:21 | 3589603 ghandi
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Neither is war free.

 

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:29 | 3589627 I am more equal...
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Nothing is free, not even lunch.

You can say.....

free love?  STD

free thought?  Liberalism to tyranny.

free from responsibility?  Dead!

freedom of the press?  DOJ - 'OJ' - the gloves fit holder is an idiot.

 

 

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:38 | 3589663 Kirk2NCC1701
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Here's a Safe Bet:  I'll bet you can't come up with a robust/defensible dollar value for the "freedom" you refer to, but I bet you I can come up with a robust/defensible price tag for our endless wars, interventions, entanglements, aid and trafficking.

Money talks...

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 19:13 | 3589776 prains
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Freedom isn't free.  but MURDER is ?

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:10 | 3589558 Cursive
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They had it coming.  Soon, we'll ALL have it coming...

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:10 | 3589561 rosiescenario
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When the end justifies the means, this is what you get....ditto for using the IRS, Fast & Furious, etc.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:10 | 3589562 buzzsaw99
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i guess that makes the women and children they kill every year okay

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:59 | 3589724 BurningFuld
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Obama is kinda like saying to the Muslims...."See we kill our own too! So it's nothing personal. We be equal opportunity killa's."

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:11 | 3589565 slaughterer
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John Ford "let's lynch 'em" scene in 3,2, 1

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:11 | 3589567 Bay of Pigs
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"These individuals were not specifically targeted by the United States,” Mr. Holder wrote.

So they simply collateral damage and it's tough luck for their families? Wow...

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:17 | 3589589 buzzsaw99
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yep

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:20 | 3589600 The Thunder Child
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Saw your question the other day..

Here

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:13 | 3589574 slaughterer
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They were all owners of TZA an FAZ and AGQ.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:13 | 3589575 Dr. Engali
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This from Great Britain.

http://youtu.be/zKhEw7nD9C4

Soldier beheaded in Woolwich machete attack.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10074029/Shootings-and-mach...

Then you have the stupid ass Cameron tweeting about it.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:16 | 3589585 TheMeatTrapper
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I saw that. The reaction of the Euro sheep is disgusting.

The disarmed Euro sheep stood by and did nothing. A couple of rednecks would have taken those knives away from that dirt bag and whipped his ass - not stood around and interviewed him while he had blood on his hands. 

Whatever. They made their bed, let them die in it.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:19 | 3589598 Dr. Engali
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That was my thoughts exactly. Stupid ass sheep stood by and did nothing. I would have pulled my 9mil out and filled the fucker with hollow points.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:21 | 3589604 fonzannoon
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Nobody did Doc. They stood there. Even crazier they let the guy get his message out. "Get your government out of our country. They don't care about you".

Fucking insanity going on.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:56 | 3589715 NotApplicable
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It seems as rational as any other war.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:17 | 3589588 fonzannoon
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You see the interview with that dude holding a cleaver? Chilling.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:21 | 3589602 Dr. Engali
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That's a whole different class of person. Goes back to what CD was talking about yesterday. People like us have no understanding of what sociopaths are capable of.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:24 | 3589612 fonzannoon
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crazy crazy shit.

 

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 00:09 | 3590780 Mrs. Haggy
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You can never beat crazy.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:27 | 3589622 McMolotov
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Too bad he isn't sleeping with the halal fishes.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:31 | 3589635 fonzannoon
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I'd get used to this McMolotov. I would not imagine too many cowboy scenario's where gun totin good ol boys come to the rescue. We have been kicking the worlds ass for so long I think we are going to realize we are not immune from seeing some of this stuff ourselves.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:15 | 3589578 ugmug
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oops......move along.....nothing more to see here.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:17 | 3589590 Confucious 222
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Well the current military is designed to kill people, especially brownish or yellow people, not protect us or win a war, like it did way back when. When Geo Wash was running things.

In fact the current military is really good at killing Americans already in the military and keeping a war going forever.

Hard to say what kills more military or former military, the VA hospitals, people shooting back or planting bombs, or suicide. My guess would be suicide. Hard to function in PC debt-based society with no arms or leg or half a head and no job.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 22:11 | 3590384 General Decline
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"cide. Hard to function in PC debt-based society with no arms or leg or half a head and no job."

Well, obviously you have never seen that crazy ass Dragon software stuff.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:18 | 3589592 thewhigs
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"That it is better 100 guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer, is a Maxim that has been long and generally approved"-Benjamin Franklin 1785

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackstone%27s_formulation

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:22 | 3589608 Cortez the Killer
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fuck all four of those traitorous scum.

 

too bad we couldnt kill them again

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:52 | 3589610 Money 4 Nothing
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Good thing we placed him on a KOC list after 9/11. Kill or capture.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/10/20/al-qaeda-terror-leader-dined-pentag...

According to his brother, he is still alive. Western propaganda psy op. He was on our payroll.

Just like we killed Osama Bin Laden? All fictional war on terror.

Now, the war on terror is turned against the American people.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/homeland-defense-the-pentagon-declares-war-...

Wake up mother fuckers.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 19:20 | 3589794 Cathartes Aura
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upvoted you, for going beyond the drama-storyline, and offer this for your consideration,

when using the word "we" it appears as though one is identified with the action/peoples taking the action. . .

I'm guessing you aren't?  beyond the superficial birthplace thing - "we" can be avoided by labeling the nationstate policies responsible, taking a step back from claiming personal involvement, aka "cheer-leading" or "voting" on behalf of a team.

it's a small distinction, but the mind(s) recognise it.

peace.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 19:39 | 3589818 Money 4 Nothing
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Right back at cha. 3 Martinis in pissed off.. Your gunna have that.

Correction: "We" as in being represented by a Government we agree with.

. Thank you.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 05:06 | 3591171 bunnyswanson
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCdADfVF6dI

Indeed - before AHBL and there is no turning back.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:26 | 3589620 vulcanraven
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Can the wheels please come off of this shitwagon already?

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:28 | 3589626 dbTX
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Imagine the MSM if GW had called these shots

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:29 | 3589629 SILVERGEDDON
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BUT - BUT - BUT - IT'S FOR THE CHILDREN !!!!

These fuckers keep telling "The American Public ", "Let them eat cake " .

 

Democracy my ass.

Corporate death camp is what this country has become. 

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:29 | 3589630 phoolish
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I must've missed the Declaration of War.

 

 

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:37 | 3589660 SmittyinLA
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apparently you are unfamiliar with the Koran 

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:30 | 3589632 F. Bastiat
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To label an Islamic Jihadist an "American" is a bit of a stretch.  If you wage war against Western civilization, you are an enemy of the Constitution of the United States and are therefore not an American in any way except perhaps a label.

Being an "American" requires more than just being born in a particular locale.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:43 | 3589680 suteibu
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"Being an "American" requires more than just being born in a particular locale."

Ironic, isn't it?  That's the argument of Obama supporters despite the nationality of his father.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 21:59 | 3590335 Nehweh Gahnin
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You are all over the map with your definitions.  This results in your comment making no sense whatsoever.

First, an "Islamic Jihadist" is a person who prioritizes one line of thought in one particular religion (of several different possible sects), and who believes in certain tactics to achieve the conformity of others with his thinking.  A great example of this would be Pat Robertson calling for the assassination of Hugo Chavez.  (Oh, and "jihadist" need not be capitalized, if you are concerned about that kind of thing.)

Second, you seem to equate "Western civilization" with "the United States," since logically, all enemies of the former are enemies of the latter.  P=P.  Trouble is, "western civilization" started somewhat before the U.S., something like 6,000 years before.  Western civilization also pre-dates the Christian religion, which I'm guessing you adhere to.  Another point you probably have not considered is that the "western civilization," which I am roughly equating with the agricultural revolution, began in the Fertile Crescent, which means Iraq and Iran, which means that it started where most of your bogeymen live.

Here is your homework assignment, just two problems to solve:

First, read, familiarize yourself with, and state your understanding of the establishment clause of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

Second, read, familiraize yourself with and be prepared to discuss the "natural born Citizen clause in Article 2 of the U.S. Constitution, along with the definition of citizenship set forth in the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

This assignment is due Monday.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 11:54 | 3592251 F. Bastiat
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You need to read a little more carefully before conjuring up your strawmen.

Nowhere did I make the arguments you're claiming I made.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 05:20 | 3591186 Vlad Tepid
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We didn't label an Islamic Jihadist an American.   The G-D US government did when it conferred citizenship upon them.  While I agree with your sentiment, being an American does NOT require more than being born in a particular locale.  though it used to.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:36 | 3589656 SmittyinLA
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By saying "American" you mean judicial fiat American citizen, not real American. 

The only way you get to call this guy an "American" is with a complete and total perversion of the US Constitution, this guy was as American as Marco Rubio. 

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:44 | 3589683 Catullus
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Thanks for pointing that out. How do I stay on the "real American" list and off the "judicial fiat American citizen" list?

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 00:26 | 3590813 Mrs. Haggy
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Fantastic comment.  That really sums it up for me.  Laws tend to not work very well when grey-areas are involved.  Poor Smitty might one day find out from his government that he in fact is a fiat american.  Sorry pal, no real line was ever drawn.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 21:30 | 3590217 alien-IQ
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by your definition, being born in america does not make you american.

fucking brilliant.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:37 | 3589657 PaperBear
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Mr Holder mentions the Christmas Day bomber. Didn't he get on the plane without a passport ?

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:48 | 3589690 Money 4 Nothing
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Patrick Kennedy green lighted his passage. Search that.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:38 | 3589666 PaperBear
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The law of war principles they have used here will be switched onto 300 million Americans in due course.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:40 | 3589670 Catullus
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High comedy. Unprecedented level of transparency (the fucking laws are 10 years old). And it only took them 3 years to tell us.

And it allowed us to make such a timely decision about our democracy just in time for after the election.

No reason to get pissed off. Just laugh as they take a victory lap around this giant toilet bowl.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:43 | 3589678 PaperBear
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The IMPERIAL president stated during his State of the Union address that our actions are "consistent with our laws and system of checks and balances" but if anyone disagreed would that constitute a failure in the system of checks and balances ?

A judge perhaps. Oh wait, there was no trial before this execution.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 20:39 | 3590038 F. Bastiat
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Hussein Obama is a delusional marxist.  No reason to retreat from that simple truth.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 18:46 | 3589686 ncdirtdigger
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When you can't get an indictment, only a drone will do.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 21:26 | 3590203 alien-IQ
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cool. then lets apply that logic to Corzine, Dimon, Blankfein, Kissinger, the list can get pretty long. but plenty of worthy targets.

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