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Chart Of The "Keynesian Normal": America's Tragic Divergence

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There is a saying that debt can't buy growth. When it comes to the US, that saying is absolutely correct: only lots and lots of debt can "buy growth."

As the chart below shows, since officially leaving the gold standard in 1971, annual GDP growth has outpaced the growth of federal debt on just 11 occasions, and of these half were during the dot com boom of the late 1990s. Obviously this chart would look far worse if instead of just federal debt - which is merely a portion of total we used total credit market debt (which is some three time greater). But for illustrative purposes, merely Federal debt will suffice, because the parabolic "endphase" divergence between the two indexed lines - one showing GDP growth, the other debt growth - says more about the final outcome of this tragic Keynesian experiment than 1000 meandering, meaningless, trolling essays written by Nobel-prize winning economists ever could.

As Brent Johnson at Santiago Capital notes, "We are now supposed to believe that during the biggest credit crunch of the last century, the economy is going to start growing FASTER than debt & reduce this spread?"

But don't worry, even as America drowns in debt, we really owe it to ourselves, even if in a few years all of it will be held by the Federal Reserve.

 


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Thu, 05/23/2013 - 18:00 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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"As Brent Johnson at Santiago Capital notes, "We are now supposed to believe that during the biggest credit crunch of the last century, the economy is going to start growing FASTER than debt & reduce this spread?" But don't worry, even as America drowns in debt, we really owe it to ourselves, even if in a few years all of it will be held by the Federal Reserve. Now tell that valet to hurry up and fetch my Beamer. I'm late for my tennis match"

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 18:09 | Link to Comment SafelyGraze
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if you ignore the debt though, the us balance sheet is very much in the black.

-ken lay

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 18:20 | Link to Comment BoNeSxxx
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Let the fed have all the debt... then just walk away.  Each generation finds doing so more and more easy - and why not, they have had practice... Upside down home loans, 90 month auto loans, and student loans used for I-Crap and weed.  As the Lord Humongous said in Road Warrior, "Just walk away".

Stew in your own paper Benny Boy.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 18:22 | Link to Comment espirit
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About time to rewrite history to...

"Kenyensian Normal"

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 20:29 | Link to Comment Manthong
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You just wait..

That blue line will double in size..

Once that red line gets up over $20MMMM

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 18:34 | Link to Comment azzhatter
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if you don't count our expenses, we're very profitable

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 18:00 | Link to Comment Bastiat
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". . . in a few years all of it will be held by the Federal Reserve."

At which point we can cancel the debt and Fed with it.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 18:11 | Link to Comment PiltdownMan
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Bastiat: I have thought the same thing myself.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 18:25 | Link to Comment Bastiat
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Been chewing on that one for a while--just gaming it out.  Then one day Ron Paul actually mentioned cancelling Fed held debt, IIRC.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 18:58 | Link to Comment BoNeSxxx
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Me too Bastiat... I can't find much of a downside either... take the BIS and the entire CB mechanism with it.

Same old noise about markets, liquidity, access to capital, blah, blah, blah... still not seeing any significant downside (especially when compared agaist the obvious benefits).

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 19:12 | Link to Comment sablya
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... unless other bondholders become suspicious that the Treasury will default on their bonds as well.  One might take the position that the difference between defaulting on "yourself" and "defaulting in general" is a matter of semantics.  So, might argue, for instance Moody's - and they would be right because it would be a declaration of insolvency.

 

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 20:14 | Link to Comment noless
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If domestically held debt is canceled, then who buys the debt Issued after that?

because they need to keep printing, all it would do is make it weinbabwe style blatant in your face printing.. Instead of hidden through bond flipping.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 21:57 | Link to Comment orez65
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"If domestically held debt is canceled ..."

1. If privately owned Treasuries are "cancelled", it  is called STEALING FROM PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS AND COMPANIES. The private owner would lose that asset. It's like if you loaned someone money and they don't pay it back.

2. If Federal Reserve owned Treasuries are cancelled the Fed would lose that asset. The corresponding liability being the Federal Reserve Notes (dollars) that it created "out of thin air". It's balance sheet would then show that its liabilities exceed its assets. The Fed would then be bankrupt.

But what if you just don't give a shit that the Fed goes bankrupt.

3. Then the Fed balance sheet would show that it's bankrupt because it did not destroy the Federal Reserve Notes that it created to buy the Treasuries. Those Federal Reserve notes would then stay in the economy without being collaterized by debt on the US taxpayers.

The US Dollar would then become "toilet paper" because the Federal Reserve would then be printing pieces of paper (dollars) with nothing as collateral.

Foreigners, specially, and anyone holding dollars would then buy any and all hard assets available, voila hyperinflation.

 

 

Fri, 05/24/2013 - 02:48 | Link to Comment Oracle of Kypseli
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Gravity

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 18:12 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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Yeah, right. Let's see, they will own all of the US Treasury debt, and all of the money they created to buy it is a liability of the US Treasury.

I think that's known as a win-MFing-WIN!

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 18:42 | Link to Comment markettime
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Only if we keep our guns. If we have no means to defend ourselves we will become slaves to the fed instead of canceling it. 

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 18:00 | Link to Comment observer007
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IRS official Lois Lerner put on administrative leave

Lois Lerner, the director of the tax-exempt organizations division at the Internal Revenue Service, has been placed on administrative leave, a congressional source familiar with the move confirmed.

http://homment.com/a6zQWbnTyt

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 18:07 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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McCain stuck his finger in the air saw an opportunity and called for her resignation knowing full well this was coming. He likes to pretend that he is relevant.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 18:21 | Link to Comment ersatzteil
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I'll never forgive Vietnam for letting him out of prison.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 18:36 | Link to Comment espirit
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Perhaps DHS should treat him like other Veterans.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 18:22 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

McCain stuck his finger in the air

...and, with his tiny little tyrannosaurus arms, couldn't even reach his chin.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 18:35 | Link to Comment azzhatter
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Was it the same finger he diddles Lindsey Graham with?

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 19:20 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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Funny you should mention that. His effort to reach his chin was an attempt to wipe away some stray drips of Lindsey.

BTW, I'd be surprised if Graham couldn't take both of McCain's arms with little or no effort.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 18:08 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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You're going to need a bigger chart.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 18:15 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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They'll likely switch to a logarithmic chart, but then somehow fail to update the labels on the Y-axis.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 18:15 | Link to Comment the Absurd
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I find it somewhat ridiculous that all these charts and indications of impending disaster are presented like it's some type of surprise that everything's going to collapse and most of us are going to die when that is pretty much what, "on a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero," implies.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 18:28 | Link to Comment espirit
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Is your avatar a "pineapple head"?

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 18:33 | Link to Comment GubbermintWorker
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Appropriate, no?

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 18:36 | Link to Comment the Absurd
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You don't like pineapples?

Fri, 05/24/2013 - 07:11 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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Take some, and pass it around! :>D

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 18:33 | Link to Comment the Absurd
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Yeah, smiling too.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 21:52 | Link to Comment orez65
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"... like it's some type of surprise that everything's going to collapse and most of us are going to die ..."

It is not going to be the end of the world, nor are we all going to die.

This shit has been happening for milleniums all over the world.

What's going to happen is that all those holding FIAT money are going to lose it.

Those holding hard assets will economically survive.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 18:16 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Obama : domestic terrorism is fueled by the Internet.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama-increase-in-domestic-terrorism-fuele...

He's trying to clear the road for CISPA

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 18:18 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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What is CISPA and when does it shut down ZH?

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 18:25 | Link to Comment espirit
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All your data are belong to us.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 18:28 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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It passed the house and Reid is sitting on it in the senate. He has to wait until his palm is greased to bring it to the floor.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 18:19 | Link to Comment B2u
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The debt is an "off-balance" sheet item which doesn't count. 

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 18:35 | Link to Comment blindman
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The Construction & Destruction Of The World Trade Centers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvFDfhc5JeU
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box factory ...at the mill
http://www.youtube.com/v/_mKSKZau9qs

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 18:40 | Link to Comment Hannibal
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Thu, 05/23/2013 - 18:51 | Link to Comment q99x2
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If I owe money to me then how am I ever going to collect it? That dudes a deadbeat.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 19:21 | Link to Comment are we there yet
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A better anology is if the Mafia borrowed money from itself and could not pay their debt and so had to beat themselves up until they could pay. This is where congress and the FED has put us.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 19:12 | Link to Comment 100pcDredge
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But don't worry, even as America drowns in debt, we really owe it to ourselves, even if in a few years all of it will be held by the Federal Reserve.

I don't get it... why? Why throw in the "But don't worry" part? You have to pay back yourself! Right? Else it would be cheating... kinda. On yourself. And, well... never mind.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 19:52 | Link to Comment lesamourai
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I wonder how that GDP graph would look if the bubbles in government spending and real estate were stripped out?

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 20:14 | Link to Comment samsara
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And wouldn't you know it, it really started during the "Morning in America" era.

Good Morning America, Welcome to your future.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 21:18 | Link to Comment Guy Fawkes
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Funny ... I dont recall the US being in a recession from 1997-2001. Real tough sell on that rewrite .. considering the NASDAQ was going verticle. Now if you want to talk anytime under a Bush Presidency then you might have something. 

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 21:28 | Link to Comment dalkrin
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A host of Cheesepopes keeps reassuring me that all will end well.  Let it be so.  Let this status quo endure until the dawning of a new Cheesepopery.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 22:10 | Link to Comment miker
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The other thing to consider is the relationship of all this debt with all the filthy rich doucebags (aka The Donald) flitting around this country while the average joe that works for a living is sucking wind.  Any relationship??

Fri, 05/24/2013 - 01:39 | Link to Comment Bear
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If "we owe it to ourselves", let's just pay it to ourselves and get on with it ... Oh, GS is "ourselves" or "we", I'm just really confused.

Fri, 05/24/2013 - 05:13 | Link to Comment Ungaro
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Imagine that the US .gov nationalizes the Fed tomorrow. It would be a new form of 3-card Monty: the .gov issues debt to fund itself, then buys it back from its favorite TBTFs in exchange for zero-coupon perpetual notes (currency). Then some sharp ex-GS Treasury official would discover that the .gov could save lots of ink, paper and TBTF commissions (and reduce the national debt) if they just issued FRNs and forget all about the bonds. They could continue to fund their TBTF buddies by raising the interest rate on excess reserves...

Fri, 05/24/2013 - 07:29 | Link to Comment OpTwoMistic
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If the print had been given to the US peasants there would have been growth and inflation.

Now we get crash.  The dollar is currently stronger killing all exports. That is real helpful.

Fri, 05/24/2013 - 11:12 | Link to Comment CitizenPete
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Darn, I want some I-crap and weed . Can I print it on my new 3d printer?

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