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Oklahoma Tornado Devastation: Before And After Picture

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The biggest story of the early part of the week was the massive 1+ mile-wide Tornado ploughing through a suburb of Oklahoma City leading to dozens of deaths and billions in damage. And while the story has already faded from the 15 minutes of collective random access memory, the following aerial picture showing just how devastating nature can be when it so chooses, is one to behold.

h/t @911buff

 

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Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:14 | 3592625 markovchainey
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The planet will save itself..screw Earth Day...

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:17 | 3592641 Richard Chesler
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Nature has nothing on Bernanke and Debt Brother.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:25 | 3592690 DeadFred
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The Fed and associates are trying to prop thishouse of cards up by nudging and propping and prodding. They believe (they say) they have it under control and can escape whenever they want. We occasionally get these reminders that not everything is under our control. I don't expect the Bernank to own up to the fact but fact it remains.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:45 | 3592771 Hacked Economy
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A good friend of mine moved out there to Moore recently (found an excellent job in OKC).  She was fortunately a few miles outside of Moore when the Big One touched down, and was able to spend the night in a safe place.  The next morning, as the I-35 highway was opened, she drove back to Moore and took photos.  Her neighborhood is a shambles.  Even so, with the possibility of more tornados in OK's future, she said she'll never move back to the Democratic People's Republic of Kalifornia for any reason.  She likes her guns too much.

That humor aside, my heart goes out to the parents of those school children who died, and all those people who lost everything and are homeless.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:58 | 3592867 Dr. Richard Head
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Paul Kruman must have a raging boner for all of the broken windows out there that will inevitably stimulate the economy. 

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:08 | 3592917 cifo
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Look closely. It's 2 different areas in the 2 photos. WTF?

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:12 | 3592933 SilverIsKing
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The one to the left is before the tornado.

The one on the right is an artist's rendition of what that same place will look like after Bernanke turns off QE.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 16:02 | 3593420 Fukushima Sam
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"Dead man walking" tornado: two funnels rotating each other makes the tornado look like a giant spirit shuffling through the plains, giving rise to American Indian legends.

http://geocaching.perklind.com/pages/deadmanwalking.jpg

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:15 | 3592950 iDealMeat
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I was WTF'in that too..  Looks like the right pic is just an extension of the left.  As if its actually just 1 image.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 15:06 | 3593165 Pool Shark
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"Oooooo-Oklahoma where the wind comes sweeping down the AAAAHHHHHH!!!!!..."

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 15:13 | 3593205 narapoiddyslexia
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They match up in the middle. Its a comparison of adjacent areas, so you can see what the area on the left used to look like.

Fri, 05/24/2013 - 09:02 | 3595507 TruthDetector
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Agreed. WTF is going on here?

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:26 | 3592697 SamAdams
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The earth will be here long after we are gone.... 

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:44 | 3592782 HulkHogan
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Guy McPherson says we are all dead in 16 1/2 years due to climate change. I posted this a couple of days ago and only got down votes, but read his stuff and the articles he links to. He puts together a good case.

 

http://guymcpherson.com/2012/06/were-done/

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:11 | 3592930 Flakmeister
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I will argue that we are all but irrevocably fucked from AGW, but it will take longer than 16 1/2 years...

The above link is hysterical crap. The accepted facts are scary enough already and require no embellishment to make the point.....

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:16 | 3592957 SilverIsKing
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So we will have to wait 16+ years to prove him wrong?

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:27 | 3592991 Flakmeister
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You clearly fail to grasp what is going on....

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 15:06 | 3593169 SilverIsKing
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So if I am wrong, as you assert, should I care?  Who will be here to ridicule me for my transgressions?

NO ONE!!!

Seriously, I have no evidence to the contrary but the earth has been in working shape for billions of years.  For some guy to come along and provide a specific year or range of years within which life will cease to exist requires some degree of suspended belief and common sense.  I do understand that if we are close to the end, it is much easier to determine that from 20 years out than a billion but if I were a betting man, I'd wager that the man has some data in his model or a calculation that is somewhat off from what reality will eventually show us.

Again, if I am wrong, there'll be nobody here to tell me, "I told you so."

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 15:12 | 3593195 Flakmeister
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So while seeming to be able to grasp the gist of "Pascal's Wager" you fail to note that I said the link he posted was full of shit....

Amazing...

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 15:43 | 3593334 SilverIsKing
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I hereby note that you said the link he posted was full of shit...

...but please stop calling me Pascal.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:47 | 3593068 Antifaschistische
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wasn't the earth at one time one giant glowing ball of hot molten whatever?

Best I can tell, we've been on a 4 billion year cooling trend....and since the earths core is not heating up, and the sun isn't getting hotter, why won't that 4 billion year cooling trend continue.   Everything else is just statistical noise and we're meaningless blips on the timeline.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:58 | 3593130 Flakmeister
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Let me guess, you really believe that what you just wrote is correct...

PS It is well known that the sun is indeed slowly warming, about 10% over the past 350 million years...

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:13 | 3592938 Pure Evil
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So, we're all dead in 16+ years. Who gives a shit. Is this douche bag gonna be around to gloat and say "see, told ya so".

What's he gonna say if asteroid 1998 QE2 swings in and slams the earth on May 31st, 2013 and preempts his little climate change gonna end the world party?

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 16:34 | 3593575 AKrandy
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Hey Hulkster, didn't your wife sleep with a reality show cameraman?. Bullish on testoterone and Gold's gym nenberships, heard you can get that at the Rent a Center.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 16:34 | 3593580 XitSam
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Was it Club of Rome that was predicting peak oil or something in the early 70s?  Many people thought they had a good case too.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 17:23 | 3593741 Flakmeister
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Do you actually know what the "The Limits to Growth" was about? You appear not to...

Why don't you compare what was written in LtG to any comparable think-tank prediction 40 years down the road and get back to us...

And while we are at it, could you describe the rate of change in global crude oil production over the past 8 years? And don't be counting things like NGLs and refinery gains.....

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 17:44 | 3593793 XitSam
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Why not count NGLs and refinery gains?  Would it be contrary to your desired narative?

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 18:54 | 3593973 Flakmeister
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Because they ain't crude oil....

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 16:59 | 3593665 orez65
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Guy:
Please make up your fucking mind, is it global warming or global cooling!!

This shit about "climate CHANGE" is just ass covering.

WTF you are just another shit head like Al Gore.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 17:19 | 3593723 Flakmeister
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Play the fool much?

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:57 | 3593123 cougar_w
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"The earth will be here long after we are gone.... "

So that's going to be our excuse for fucking up the planet and killing off our own offspring?

Just so I know the script.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:27 | 3592698 outamyeffinway
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I wonder if there are more stars in the universe or dollars in the world....

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:37 | 3592744 eurobug
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Total number of stars: 10^22 - 10^24

USD M2: about 10^13

For every US dollar, there are at least a billion stars in the universe, maybe even 100 billion.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:43 | 3592776 MayIMommaDogFac...
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For every US dollar, there are at least a billion stars in the universe, maybe even 100 billion.

Yes, but which number is trending higher?

Wait for it...Wait for it...

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:45 | 3592786 yrbmegr
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Over what time period?

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 19:37 | 3594079 Wild tree
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Euro, I don't think you are even close. In 2006, results of a Hubble focus of 12 days on a one degree arc of the universe was revealed. It was estimated that 250 billion GALAXIES were existant, from the extrapolation of the number of galaxies found in that one degree arc. I would estimate the number of stars being in excess of 10^22^22. We don't have a good enough imagination to imagine the possiblities, including the recent discovery of a planet made out of diamond.

God does not play dice with the universe. Albert Einstein

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:31 | 3592716 EscapeKey
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Who knew, but mother nature is clearly Keynesian.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:38 | 3592748 Scro
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Wow. The tornado rearranged the roads.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:54 | 3592764 SMG
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Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:07 | 3592908 Technical Difficulty
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I see what you did there. 

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:59 | 3593134 cougar_w
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It's a differend kind of before/after: the pictures are of contiguous areas. The roads actually connect.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 21:54 | 3594420 TraderTimm
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There's a scifi story called "Heavy Weather" by Bruce Sterling that outlines the precursors to a large event - essentially a breach of the troposphere that feeds a large toroidal storm - just think tornado except all joined at the end and beginning. It would scour the earth where it formed to the bedrock, and that land could never be inhabited again.

Makes you wonder what the increased atmospheric thermal loads and energy levels will do for the hurricane season this year, or just storms in general. Will Earth ever witness its own "Red Spot"? Even if it doesn't, highly energetic storm systems seem to be part of our immediate future.

 

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:14 | 3592626 SmittyinLA
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Its like Haiti before and after France 

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:15 | 3592635 azzhatter
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Like most of the French colonies after France

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:06 | 3592906 Joe Davola
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US inner cities since the great society.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:22 | 3592973 Pure Evil
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The USA since Kennedy's Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:15 | 3592634 Bryan
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That's horrible devastation.  Those guys are all in my prayers.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:21 | 3592655 The Master
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If there was a God, why would he have allowed this to happen in the first place? Why pray to Someone/Something who sat idly by as this disaster unfolded? Sorry, but I just find the concept of prayer to be pretty nonsensical in these post-disaster situations.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:25 | 3592672 rustymason
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You are confused. God is not the same as Superman, Spiderman, or Pokeymon.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:29 | 3592706 The Master
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It always blows my mind how people who can be so rational about politics, finance, etc can still cling so strongly to fairy tales created thousands of years ago. I'm sorry but that's just how I feel.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:36 | 3592734 Agent P
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If people were rational about polictics, Obama wouldn't be president.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:53 | 3592839 buzzsaw99
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the only people who matter ARE rational, that's WHY he is president

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:01 | 3592880 Flakmeister
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That would rule out Mittens, RP and just about everyone else as well...

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:41 | 3592740 rustymason
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I'm always amazed at the blindness and hubris of intellectual wanna-be's who think they see everything but miss the bigger pictuure and the most important things. I think they have a sense of proportion missing, or are deficient in a certain chemical or something. These athests define their existence by a negative and end up by insisting that it is a fact there is no such thing as Truth. And they cannot see how illogical that is. All they are really is Loud mouthed sociopathic teenagers. Only when they get older do some become wiser and finally see what "stupid" religious conservative people have seen all along.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:47 | 3592795 The Master
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Ad hominem is the lowest form of debate.  Sad.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:03 | 3592889 Agent P
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Wait, isn't that statement in and of itself ad hominem?

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:09 | 3592920 akak
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No, it is not.  Learn the definition.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:14 | 3592947 Agent P
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Attacking the opponent vs. the subject, no?  He insulted his form of debate.  No matter, I was just trying to be funny...clearly I failed.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:24 | 3592980 Pure Evil
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Ah, who cares anyway, the stupid ass will find out the truth the day he dies.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:43 | 3593052 gmrpeabody
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Ad hominem defined...

Step 3 in the recipe for pasole (Mexican soup).

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:50 | 3593070 Pure Evil
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Here's another one Mr. Peabody.

Go lick your asshole like any other dog.

Did that fit the definition, fag?

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:51 | 3593093 gmrpeabody
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Damn..., you're tough.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 18:13 | 3593855 ersatzteil
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Clearly that one flew over your head. Pozole is narco slang for "meat soup", which is a cartel method of dissolving bodies.

It's just an oil drum with some caustic soda, and then a body, hence "ad hominem" or "add man" as an ingredient.

You want to talk about Pure Evil...well, there's the definition, fitted with a nice black humor joke.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 18:37 | 3593933 Herd Redirectio...
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Didn't pozole have a human component back in the day any way?

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:51 | 3593096 Agent P
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Now that was actually funny.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 15:00 | 3593148 Pure Evil
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Thanks douche breath, now you and Mr. Peabody should go get a room cause no one wants to watch you lick his balls.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 15:44 | 3593344 Agent P
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You must really hate pasole.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:46 | 3593064 juangrande
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEKuGcmW70I

 

That's why I love mankind!

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:48 | 3593075 rustymason
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Except when you do it.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 16:44 | 3593607 RougeUnderwriter
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Name calling is lower shit heads!  :-)

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:10 | 3592925 malek
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Not to believe all hearsay = define their existence by a negative

LOL - that's a good one!

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 16:41 | 3593600 IdiocracyIsAlre...
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I'm sorry, I respect your right to believe whatever you want, but anytime some refers to what they believe as capital T "Truth" I run quickly in the other direction.  And I will never see what religious conservation people see all along because I am not a high authoritarian follower like you.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 16:43 | 3593606 IdiocracyIsAlre...
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Oop meant "religious conservative".

Fri, 05/24/2013 - 08:29 | 3595386 PT
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IdiocracyIs.. :  " ... I am not a high authoritarian follower ... "

In the end, neither was Jesus, apart from following God.  He stood up against the religious teachers of his day.  So did alot of prophets and disciples.  Disciple Paul wrote alot of his letters while he was in jail.   

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:39 | 3592760 repete
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But Wait, finally 1.3 billion Catholics get a Pope with a brain!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/22/pope-francis-good-atheists_n_3320757.html

Maybe there is a God!

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:24 | 3592976 worbsid
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Yes, this one seems like a pretty good head.  I guess he even includes the Bernake in his prayers. 

You ARE a soul ... you HAVE a body.  To me, this is the bottom line.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:41 | 3592770 Terminus C
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Why do you purport to know the mind of an infinite being? 

I ask the same question about religion...

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:48 | 3592800 steelhead23
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Such events tell us nothing about the existence of God.  However, they often provide evidence of the human spirit - individuals taking personal risks to help others.  It is those pictures that give me hope.

http://mhmarketingsalesmanagement.com/blogs/tonykovach/wp-content/upload...

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 18:37 | 3593937 RichardP
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Always look for the helpers.  Mr. Rogers mom

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:50 | 3592802 MarsInScorpio
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Master:

 

OK, time for The Problem of Absolute Nothingness.

 

So there is no supernatural? (Meaning something that operates outside what we perceive as the Natural) Really?

 

Back up the clock so there is no space, no time, no mass, no energy, and no external force to create any of them. This condition is called Absolute Nothingness. (This is actually impossible for the human mind to conceive in toto - because as soon as you begin to imagine it, you see in your mind a black space - but remember - even that constitutes something - and in our Problem, Nothing exists - there is no space - so that black field in your mind doesn't exist either. Absolute Nothingness is impossible for the human mind to conceive pictorially.)

 

Please explain how, with no outside externality, how the natural world created itself.

 

At least I can come up with an explanation that is rational, albeit requiring faith.

 

Your explanation will be irrational, because we know that in the Natural World, there is no Spontaneous Generation. By definition, Space, Time, Mass and Energy can’t create themselves. (E=mc2. Therefore, if either E or m = 0, then the entire equation equals 0; if E or m don't exist, neither exists. They can only exist simultaneously - neither can precede nor create the other.)

 

But go ahead - take your best shot and explain The Problem of Absolute Nothingness.

-30-

 

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:54 | 3592840 The Master
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Mars, I am not disputing the fact that there is the possibility of the supernatural.  I am debating the concept of prayer.  For the majority of people with "faith", prayer is done in order to illicit a response from "God."  Praying to the same God who sat idly by while this disaster occurred and then asking him to help afterwards is akin to Stockholm Syndrome in my opinion.  

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:02 | 3592887 Flakmeister
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I pray that you are correct....

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:21 | 3592966 SilverIsKing
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God didn't like that comment and has taken his wrath out on Stockholm.

See here: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/the-riots-in-sweden/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-riots-in-sweden

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:45 | 3593022 Ragnar24
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Belief in a Creator simply means that He created an AUTONOMOUS system -- the belief is NOT that the Creator controls all things within the system.  Far from it.

So they don't pray for a magical spontaneous reconstruction of their town -- just as they didn't pray for God to reconsider the whole idea of a "spinning and tilting Earth" that causes weather. They pray for God to instill strength in the victims as they face the adversity caused by the autonomous system He created. 

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 16:46 | 3593608 XitSam
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But many of the people that pray, do pray for some sort of real intervention (as opposed to non-quantifiable things such as internal fortitude) and they believe that the creator has the ability to intervene.  Does it make sense that a creator has the power to create a universe but not intervene in it?

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 18:03 | 3593831 Ragnar24
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Of course He has the power to intervene, but if we operate under the assumptions that God is just and He bestowed man with free will, then it stands to reason that He would abstain from intervention because of the consequences that intervention would have on other men (even if in a distant generation).

Unlike Bernank or other assholes in "power", it's likely that a Being who is truly powerful would understand what happens when one man is spared the consequences of his actions (choosing to live in Tornado Alley).    

(skeptics/athiests always point to natural disasters as God's wrath without considering that man had the free will to build the structures that collapsed and produce the cars that transported him into harm's way.)

Fri, 05/24/2013 - 08:17 | 3595355 PT
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Ye of little faith.  If I can hack computers (well, could - 20 years ago, I'm out of date now) then God can hack the universe whenever he feels like it.  Or he can just program it in from the beginning.

1.  Everyone cries after the event.  No-one calls before the event.
2.  Job.  (Yes, I don't like that answer either, but there you go.) 

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:37 | 3593029 McMolotov
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The Soft Parade by The Doors:

 

"When I was back there in seminary school
There was a person there
Who put forth the proposition
That you can petition the Lord with prayer
Petition the Lord with prayer
Petition the Lord with prayer
You cannot petition the Lord with prayer!"

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:59 | 3593073 MarsInScorpio
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Master:

 

Let's try a different interpretation of events.

 

God allowed those people to escape the horrors of the physical world so that they could enjoy their spiritual eternity without any pain or sadness.

 

The prayers are not for those who now rejoice in their spiritual freedom; it is for those left behind who must continue to endure pain, suffering, and grief.

 

But in the Big Picture, their suffering is for but a wink of the eye; God will allow them to escape this physical existence too. They will be reunited with their loved ones, and they will exist eternally rejoicing that for them, there is no death.

 

As I said before, not a bad deal. What do you have to offer instead?

-30-

 

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:51 | 3593083 rustymason
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You don't know that he "sat idly by." You have huge holes in your logic.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 15:08 | 3593182 Uncle Remus
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Your use of "illicit" is illicit. Try elicit or more appropriately perhaps, solicit.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 16:48 | 3593626 IdiocracyIsAlre...
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Couldn't agree more.  Not sure what compartmentalization goes on that allows people to think their prayers are being answered while people all over the world are dying from war, disease, starvation, ect.  Actually it is more than a bit narcissistic when you think about it.  There may well be other realms we don't know about (yet) but the idea of an interventionist god who listens to the prayers of true believers (and their prayers only) is absurd.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:56 | 3592863 A Lunatic
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It's almost as amazing as those who refute the existence of God yet blame God for every horrible thing that befalls mankind...............

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:52 | 3593102 rustymason
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I think many who do that want God to do something for them, but they cannot say what it is. It's a cry for help.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 16:57 | 3593654 IdiocracyIsAlre...
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No I was raised in a religious enviroment and never wanted anything to do with the kind of "god" the people around me worshipped.  It is not a cry for help.  Please get over yourself.  You are the perfect example of a religious person who thinks he is being "humble" but his attitudes are completely narcissistic.

Fri, 05/24/2013 - 08:20 | 3595364 PT
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A Lunatic:  "It's almost as amazing ..."

+1000 if I could. 

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:14 | 3592943 kchrisc
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Belief in God, or some other supernatural being may or may not be rational.

However, what isn't rational is the belief and faith in terrestrial "gods" that 6,000+ years of history proves are nothing more than cons, thieves and murderers for their own parasitic benefit.

Supernatural gods do not steal, kill, false-flag, "concentrate," lie, etc.

I say that we kill the "gods" amongst us and relie instead on ourselves, our families and whatever supernatural god we have an a belief in.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:57 | 3593124 Scro
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The master is a dumbass.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 15:12 | 3593189 10mm
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Even if they were fairy tales,no human could even have a ioda of imagination to make those type of fairy tales.Well beyond free will sinners of flesh.All of us unworthy.That's where the Holy Spirit takes over.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 16:49 | 3593629 TuPhat
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If that's how you feel, why post about it?  I know there is a God, but explaining how he handles disasters to a nonbeliever is way more than I want to post.  And that's just how I feel.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 19:47 | 3594109 Wild tree
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You are not the master, but the Master loves you anyway. However He lets you choose; him or Satan(who loves to masquerade as your feelings). Good or evil, black or white. Each has an opposite, you choose which path to walk when squeezed.

Truth comes with age for some; others are not cast the pearls since they have eyes that do not see, and ears that do not hear. The truth is all around you, but you need to step off your pedestal to see it.

Fri, 05/24/2013 - 08:08 | 3595341 PT
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The Master :  "It always blows my mind how people who can be so rational ..."

Yeah,  like how humans evolved so that they form societies that work better and last longer when everyone believes in stuff that isn't there ... that's sooooooooooooooo much more rational.  Hey - that's why the markets haven't crashed yet, now I don't know if I am being sarcastic or not!!!  Damn!!!  I'm so confused.

Better to stick to science with its 5, I mean 6, or was it 7 ... 9 ??? 11 ??? 13 ??? ... let's call it "n" -dimensional string theory (don't know why they haven't skipped the BS and simply upped it to infinity yet).  Better to stick to science with its infinite parallel universes - as long as none of those universes has a God in it ...  'cos if scientists haven't figured it out then it doesn't exist 'cos scientists know everything, like no-one could every cross the Atlantic in a boat, (or was it an aeroplane?  I forget, oh hang on, wasn't it both?) 'cos the fuel would be too heavy and if a train travels faster than 20mph then the passengers die of asphyxia and the speed of light isn't constant, oh hang on yes it is...

I don't believe I can convert people like you so in a way I don't try.  Just be TRUE to science.  These days I think that if you can stay honest to yourself, then all (most???) paths lead to the same place.

"You are neither hot nor cold.  How I wish you were one or the other, but instead you are luke warm, so I spit you out."  I think this is the accusation against 99% of us, believers and atheists alike.

 

 

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:23 | 3592673 resurger
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why dont you shut the fuck up already.

If a beloved someone you know dies, would you like it i come and say "praying for him/she is futile?!"

 

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:54 | 3592843 TPTB_r_TBTF
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Well, i would agree:

 

Praying for dead people is futile.

Now, praying for the bereaved might make sense,

... if you're into that...

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:23 | 3592675 Frank N. Beans
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Agreed, but it's the sentiment that counts.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:25 | 3592682 MarsInScorpio
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Master:

 

Rule One of Judeo-Christian theology: Nobody dies. You only transform from the combination of the physical/spiritual to shedding the physical and existing solely as the spiritual.

 

So all God allowed was for a bunch of people to escape the horrors of the physical existence - disease, old age, sadness, pain . . .

 

Not a bad deal. Sure beats the non-existence of your theology.

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PS: In your attempt to pick a fight, I see you are only a Master Baiter.

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Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:42 | 3592694 rustymason
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Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:37 | 3592736 The Master
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Mars, definitely not trying to "pick a fight."  Just disagreed with the OP's comment.  When people like resurger tell me to "Shut the fuck up" you can see how religion makes people irrational and confrontational.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:55 | 3592859 MayIMommaDogFac...
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Sorry, but I just find the concept of prayer to be pretty nonsensical in these post-disaster situations.

Maybe the STFU was a simply reaction to one supposed adult telling another adult how they should or should not, think, feel or act in the face of a tragic situation. 

I usually have strong words for anyone who tries to pull that shit on me.

I would chalk it up to poor judgement, but the timing seems ideal for someone to really likes to wave their puffed-up opinion in others' faces, especially when the emotional sphere has already been charged up for them, in advance.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:00 | 3592874 The Master
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I thought it was apropos and I meant no disrespect.  When is the right time to have this sort of discussion?  I wouldn't bring this up on a thread regarding rehypothecation or a Carl Icahn proxy fight.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:56 | 3593118 rustymason
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+10

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:21 | 3592967 MarsInScorpio
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Master

 

Deeper and deeper you dig . . .

 

Alcoholic intoxication makes people "irrational and confrontational."

 

Drug overdoses make people "irrational and confrontational."

 

Anger makes people "irrational and confrontational."

 

Dementia makes people "irrational and confrontational."

 

Grief makes people "irrational and confrontational."

 

Fear makes people "irrational and confrontational."

 

Poverty makes people "irrational and confrontational."

 

Wealth makes people "irrational and confrontational."

 

Unexpected events make people "irrational and confrontational."

 

Disappoint makes people "irrational and confrontational."

 

Get the idea?

 

For you to say that religion makes people "irrational and confrontational" tells me you are a man deparately reaching for straws to support your theology.

 

I feel very sorry for you. Yours is a world of emptiness - which you can't comprehend because you have never experienced the fullness of living with the existence of your physical and spiritual selves.

 

As an analogy, living with your mindset is the allegorical equivalent of crossing an eight-lane highway, and only looking one way. When you get hit by the spritual 18-wheeler coming in those lanes you failed to perceive because you didn't look the other way too, you have no understanding of what happened.

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Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:21 | 3592968 Bryan
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"Just disagreed with the OP's comment."

I have no problem with that.  It's an honest statement.  How do you learn if you don't ask?

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:42 | 3593050 The Master
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Thank you for being cordial Bryan.  

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:36 | 3592737 blabam
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The Judeo-Christian death cult. 

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:39 | 3593036 MarsInScorpio
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blabam:

 

In the present dispensation, God allows things to happen, but rarely causes them.

 

Don't blame the Judeo-Christian theological description of God for the Free Will actions of humanity. God didn't make people burn other people at the stake.

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Thu, 05/23/2013 - 17:30 | 3593760 e-recep
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why do you want to believe in a deity?

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 20:00 | 3594133 Bryan
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Excellent question!

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:26 | 3592693 jowenchrist
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I wondered that myself until I read Plato, Socrates and Epictetus. Your user name says it all.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:40 | 3592743 SamAdams
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Most of you will never understand what "God" really is due to your judeo-christian indoctrination that your entire existence is based on.  Powerful ideology engrained upon your soul.  You do not need "religion" to know god.  God is part of each every one of us, regardless of religion.  We actually all have the same God....

God is energy.  Energy and mass are interchangable.  If there was nothing to begin with, there was energy.  Energy is in everyone and everything.  The soul is mass consciousness of that location upon which the spark of life begins.  God is life, animating what was formerly only clumps of molecules.  The spirit of evil is born to all men as part of the BIOS, a will to survive at the expense of others.  The bible tells you all this and more, but in a story book, grade 1 sort of way.  It is also completely spun to keep the sheep within the king's control. 

To believe that God is a white guy with a white rob, living in the sky in a mansion made of transparent gold is akin to belief in the tooth fairy.  As the saying goes, one person suffering from delusions is considered insane, while many people suffering from delusions are simply religious....

I believe in God, I do not believe in religion.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:44 | 3592783 rustymason
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Very good junior high philosophy.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:48 | 3592809 yrbmegr
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What is energy?

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:51 | 3592826 rustymason
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Where is John Galt?

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:01 | 3592879 SamAdams
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Energy is something that you can not see, but can see its effect.  As in God...  This is in the Bible, but cryptic.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:01 | 3592882 Karl von Bahnhof
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U mean he is in my electric wall plug? Or in the petrol station?

Thanks!

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:13 | 3592939 SamAdams
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Maybe if you are into Scientology you might find "him" there...

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:34 | 3593014 MarsInScorpio
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Sam:

 

You wrote: "You do not need "religion" to know god."

 

Here's the definition of religion, from Dictionary.com:

“a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually, but not necessiarly, involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs."

 

Your second paragraph expresses your religion. While your religion and mine may differ, you have a religion nonetheless.

 

And the style of your writing in that and the following paragraph show that you are a fervent religionist. You are hard-core, and evangelical about it, in fact, the intellectual equivalent of a Bible-thumper.

 

Please come down off your pedestal, understand the contradiction of yourself, and rejoin the rest of us mortals . . .

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Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:59 | 3593131 SamAdams
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I think people who know me, would debate you on that one...

  • a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe - Check
  • especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies - Fail
  • usually, but not necessarily, involving devotional and ritual observances - Fail
  • and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs - Fail

I suppose one out of four ain't bad? 

 

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:30 | 3592711 bpj
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God has nothing to do with it, anymore than if you go and set your mobile home up on the beach at low tide. lo and behold, 6 hours later there is a disaster of being washed out to sea. F5 tornados have been touching down in OK for millions of years, people in the last 50 years started putting neighborhoods in these areas and the proverbial high tide has come.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:28 | 3592995 Urban Redneck
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God most certainly has something to do with it- Sooners aren't cursed with Satanic minions like Nanny Bloomturd or Jabba the Hut preaching about some gold idol in a temple on Pennsylvania Ave that will be their salvation...

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:32 | 3592725 DeadFred
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In my opinion if you look at the photos then look at the actual death toll you might reconsider the "sat idly by" statement. Don't know if you would reconsider but some might.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:34 | 3592730 The Master
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Are you seriously trying to say that God prevented more people from dying?  Tell that to the family members of the 24 who perished!  

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:55 | 3592860 buzzsaw99
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give him a break, god was busy over at mitt's house most of the afternoon

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:59 | 3592871 TPTB_r_TBTF
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i am seriously trying to say that the Southern Baptist's God punished those 24 and their families.

 

Another man's God has those 24 in Paradise att.

 

Yet another God is testing the faith of those family members.

 

Which God are we talking about anyhow?

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 14:08 | 3592899 Bryan
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Didn't mean to ruffle the religious feathers here.  I choose to believe in what we call "God" as revealed in several different ways personally to me, and revealed via the Bible and other ways to others, and I petition him/her/it when I believe it's relevant.   You don't have to agree with or believe what I do. 

I don't think the God I believe exists specifically caused the tornado in OK and purposely killed people.  I do think that God hears my prayers and may act on them, and I think my prayers are also for the victims to feel a sense of community in their grief, and for me as a way to 'connect' emotionally and spiritually to God and to others who are in need.

I do appreciate the discussion though.  :)

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 17:32 | 3593765 TSA gropee
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My two pennies worth;

I'm inclined to believe like Bryan does because for me it meshes perfectly with how I desire to live my life. Believing as I do helps me appreciate relationships more than material goods, or the incredible number of flowers and veggies in my backyard or a star filled sky. My belief helps me keep my pride and ego in check and as well as making integrity in a framework of personal responsibility my focus. It's not easy now nor will it ever be and recently I've had to take much blame for what I haven't done, but I have over the past few weeks chosen knowing I'm right rather than being told I am rather than sacrificing a relationship. The truth will ultimately surface.

IMHO, I think that people who are okay with Islam, Buddhism and all the other myriads of isms but are hostile to a Christian God, do so because doing so involves considering the possibility that there is an ultimate accountability for our actions here on earth. My belief works for me, keeps me grounded and becoming not full and centered about myself.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:16 | 3592639 resurger
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I bat last , bitchez!

Mother Fucking Nature

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 15:31 | 3592742 Joe Davola
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See, it's not just trailer parks I hate.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:20 | 3592652 Vagabond
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 These pictures are better: http://imgur.com/a/VXF8u?gallery

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:19 | 3592657 MarsInScorpio
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Sorry to rain on the parade - but those aren't photos of the same geographic area - check the discrepencies with the road network.

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Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:23 | 3592665 Vagabond
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I think it is a continuation of the road showing half the road before and the other half after.  (Which doesn't make it any less stupid of a before/after photo.)

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:25 | 3592685 OS2010
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Correct.  The images are photos of two contiguous areas of a subdivision, just different in time.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:24 | 3592680 ziggy59
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Agreed

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:24 | 3592684 A_latvian
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It's not a true "before and after", it's a single picture of one area, with half before the tornado, and the other half after.  Still a dramatic illustration of the large swath of destruction.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 15:00 | 3593143 Diplodicus Rex
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Why would you make such a statement without doing a cursory check?

Plaza Towers Elementary School

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=oklahoma+briarwood+elementary&hl=en&ll=3...

And why would you up-arrow such a statement without a cursory check?

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:20 | 3592661 John McCloy
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Whenever I see things such as this and the natural devastation that always lay dormant and can occur at any given time I am reminded of this quote.

" O God, thy sea is so great, and my boat is so small."

This quote sat on a plaquarde on JFK's desk throughout his term as a reminder. I consider economic law to be akin to natural law as well and regardless of what these bueacratic puppets are attempting with intervention it all comes back around eventually. In short..2008 will look like a blip. Sure they can tinker and stave it off but much like you cannot anticipate a natural occurrence you cannot anticipate the one event that ends it all.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:22 | 3592670 Bearhug Bernanke
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The human virus is upsetting its host.

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 15:02 | 3593159 cougar_w
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Earth has an immune system. Who knew?

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:22 | 3592671 Frank N. Beans
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Detroit

Thu, 05/23/2013 - 13:25 | 3592686 q99x2
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Now if we could convince Bernanke to connect his computers up to HAARP we wouldn't have that problem. We'd have green shoots instead and never a day in the red.

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