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Syria Goes Hot: Russia To Deliver Weapons, Deploys Air Defense; Israel Warns Russia; Obama Demands No Fly Zone

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Those who were intently following the USDJPY pair formerly known as the stock market today missed the biggest news of the day: the proxy war in Syria just went hot, following a confluence of news, first that Russia insisted "it would deliver anti-aircraft missiles to Syria despite international criticism, as fears of spillover from the conflict grew" and in logical retaliation to yesterday's decision by Europe to lift an arms embargo to the Al Qaeda-supported, Qatari mercenaries operating in Syria, also known as "rebels.

This lead Israel's defense minister Moshe Yaalon to immediately signal that "its military is prepared to strike shipments of advanced Russian weapons to Syria."

Meanwhile back in the US "the White House has asked the Pentagon to draw up plans for a no-fly zone inside Syria that would be enforced by the U.S. and other countries such as France and Great Britain, two administration officials told The Daily Beast."

And just to make it very clear that Russia is not bluffing, it announced overnight that its four regiments of S-300 air defense systems have been deployed at the Ashuluk firing range in southern Russia as part of another snap combat readiness check of the Russian armed forces "The missions will be carried out in conditions of heavy electronic warfare to test the capabilities of the air defense units to the highest limit."

And to think: yet another threat of a global war over some natgas pipelines from Qatar to Europe, and a threat to Gazprom's monopoly.

From AFP:

Russia insisted Tuesday it would deliver anti-aircraft missiles to Syria despite international criticism, as fears of spillover from the conflict grew after three Lebanese soldiers were killed in a border-area attack.


Israel warned Russia it would "know what to do" if the delivery went ahead, and Syria's top rebel commander gave Hezbollah, the powerful Lebanese Shiite movement, a 24-hour ultimatum to stop fighting alongside regime forces.


The developments stoked tensions after the European Union decided to lift an embargo on weapons to Syria's rebels, in a move the opposition reacted to with caution.


Syria's regime joined its ally Russia in condemning the EU decision as an "obstruction" to peace efforts, while accusing the bloc of supporting and encouraging "terrorists".


Moscow said it would go ahead with its plans to deliver the S-300 missiles to Syria, despite international concerns, saying the weapons were part of existing contracts.


"We consider these supplies a stabilising factor," deputy foreign minister Sergei Ryabkov said, adding they could act as a deterrence against foreign intervention.

Israel's immediate response via the Guardian:

Israel quickly issued a thinly veiled warning that it would bomb the Russian S-300 missiles if they were sent to Syria, as such a move would bring the advanced guided missiles within range of civilian and military planes over Israel. Israel has conducted three sets of air strikes on Syria this year, aimed at preventing missiles being brought close to its border by the Lebanese Shia group Hezbollah.


"The shipments haven't set out yet and I hope they won't," Moshe Ya'alon, the Israeli defence minister, said. "If they do arrive in Syria, God forbid, we'll know what to do."


Russia's deputy foreign minister, Sergey Ryabkov, argued that the delivery of the S-300 system had been previously agreed with Damascus and would be a stabilising factor that could dissuade "some hotheads" from entering the conflict. That appeared to be a reference to the UK and France, who pushed through the lifting of the EU embargo on Monday night and are the only European countries considering arming the rebel Free Syrian Army (FSA).

After much deliberations, and unable to find the much needed "weapons of mass destruction" to justify intervention, the US is nonetheless escalating next and Obama is now said to demand plans for a No Fly Zone over Syria from the Pentagon. From the Daily Beast:

Along with no-fly zone plans, the White House is considering arming parts of the Syrian opposition and formally recognizing the Syrian opposition council.


The White House has asked the Pentagon to draw up plans for a no-fly zone inside Syria that would be enforced by the U.S. and other countries such as France and Great Britain, two administration officials told The Daily Beast.


The request was made shortly before Secretary of State John Kerry toured the Middle East last week to try and finalize plans for an early June conference between the Syrian regime and rebel leaders in Geneva. The opposition, however, has yet to confirm its attendance and is demanding that the end of Syrian President Bashar al Assad’s rule be a precondition for negotiations, a condition Assad is unlikely to accept.


In April, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey told the House Appropriations Subcommittee on Defense that the military was planning for a range of options in Syria but that he did not necessarily support using those options.


"We're prepared with options, should military force be called upon and assuming it can be effectively used to secure our interests without making matters worse,” he said. “We must also be ready for options for an uncertain and dangerous future. That is a future we have not yet identified."

And finally going back full circle, Russia announced overnight that its four regiments of S-300 air defense systems have been deployed at the Ashuluk firing range in southern Russia as part of another snap combat readiness check of the Russian armed forces, the Defense Ministry said. From RIA:

The regiments were airlifted on Thursday by military transport planes to designated drop zones where they will carry out a variety of missions simulating the defense of the Russian airspace from massive attacks by “enemy” missiles and aircraft.


The missions will be carried out in conditions of heavy electronic warfare to test the capabilities of the air defense units to the highest limit,” the ministry said.


A total of 8,700 personnel, 185 warplanes and 240 armored vehicles are involved in the three-day exercise, overseen by Col. Gen. Vladimir Zarudnitsky, head of Russian General Staff’s Main Operations Directorate.

Surely all of the above is very beneficial for future global GDP prospects.

Finally, here is the Russian S-300 system causing Qatar gas pipeline plans global democracies so much consternation:


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Tue, 05/28/2013 - 16:35 | 3604906 prains
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cue kim jong il 3,2,,1....


somebody get his cape ready

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 16:37 | 3604931 slaughterer
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Finally, WTI, PMs, and Treasuries will rise again.  

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 16:39 | 3604941 nope-1004
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KJI died in Dec 2011, if you believe Korean state news.  Or do you have differing info?


Tue, 05/28/2013 - 16:42 | 3604961 prains
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test tube babies

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 16:44 | 3604977 Troll Magnet
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Oh, Israel...YOU SUCK!

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 16:53 | 3605032 malikai
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It's gonna suck to be downwind that place some day.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 16:56 | 3605052 Precious
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According to Mossad reports, Netanyahoo has a tiny dick.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:09 | 3605123 MagicHandPuppet
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Israel warns Russia... that's a good one.  Without the US Gubmint to give it handouts and be it's pit bull, those Israeli dogs don't have shit but the fascist prison they've created for themselves and the people whose land they occupy.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:15 | 3605145 Manthong
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We must be confident that the forces for liberty, a righteous political system and free, fair markets will prevail,. but don’t ask me who the hell they are.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:32 | 3605214 Troll Magnet
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Israel should just send their Mossad goons to Russia and have them blow up a couple of towers and then frame it on Syria. Problem solved! 

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 18:31 | 3605439 Max Hunter
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I want to know the incoterms of this sale..

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 19:10 | 3605537 PiratePawpaw
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Cant we just get on with it already?.....I mean really, for decades we have been on the verge of bombing/eating/drinking/smoking/spending/barrowing/rehypothecating ourselves into oblivion......

The verge is so yesterdays news. Lets just jump and see what comes next.

I hope the squirrels take over. Squirrels are kinda cool.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 20:34 | 3605693 ApollyonDestroy
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quit being such a whore truthspirit


..or come up with some new dreams already

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 20:50 | 3605780 economics9698
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Fuck all Zionist.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 21:07 | 3605828 ApollyonDestroy
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Can we rape and pillage them?

Wed, 05/29/2013 - 04:34 | 3606560 Karl von Bahnhof
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SOT - you are an Idiot.

For all ZHers, watch this, it is very clear about the conflict and near future:

Alex Dugin

Wed, 05/29/2013 - 21:17 | 3606810 DanDaley
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So, everybody is throwing down the gauntlet it seems.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 20:25 | 3605733 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Spirit Of Truth said:

Hey everybody, look at meeee! I'm Jesus!

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 23:00 | 3606199 Spirit Of Truth
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I'm the reincarnation thereof to be accurate:

Wed, 05/29/2013 - 04:55 | 3606568 TheFourthStooge-ing
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I'm the reincarnation thereof to be accurate

Funny how at any given moment there are thousands of people who claim the same thing.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 22:05 | 3606002 RSDallas
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This guy is a quack!

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:32 | 3605215 phyuckyiu
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Weren't some hedgers saying a week ago that Russia only has manual warfare gadgets, nothing to be concerned about, and I had to remind everyone that the S-300 and Yakhont Sunburn Missile are the trump cards? Thanks Tyler for the schematic. Can you post a schematic for the Yakhont as well? LUB CHU.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 19:06 | 3605527 Ignatius
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Cue Leslie Stahl/60 Minutes interview post WW3:


Leslie: "The world economy is in ruins, 1 billion people are dead -- 1/3 children -- was it worth it?"

Madeline Albright:  "We think it was."

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 19:42 | 3605615 RafterManFMJ
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I predict global strategists will be surprised the fuck out by Russia deploying the Dong-Feng 21D within range of the Med. and Persian Gulf this year.  And that might change...everything.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 20:30 | 3605741 TheFourthStooge-ing
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I predict global strategists will be surprised the fuck out by Russia deploying the Dong-Feng 21D within range of the Med. and Persian Gulf this year.  And that might change...everything.

Isn't that the advanced version of the Dong-N-UR Bung 2DP with Jissbon-penetrating warhead?

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 21:23 | 3605866 moonshadow
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u named yourself well

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 22:07 | 3606011 RSDallas
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I was thinking the same thing.  1960 to 70's technology?  We didn't even have cell phones then!  That crap would be destroyed before it left the platform. 

Wed, 05/29/2013 - 01:17 | 3606429 jonjon831983
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Guess how old the design for F-16's are... 1974.  Over 30 years old and still being sold.  Of course since the original design they have components upgraded with newer equipment and even have local variants.

Now apply principle to other weapon platforms from 70's or so.

Wed, 05/29/2013 - 00:22 | 3606368 monkeyshine
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Maybe we shall see a test of your theory. Could be the Russians (and Iranians) don't really want to field test them. They sell well enough untested against "western" hardware.  Aren't these same SAMs defending some Iranian nuke sites? If deployed in Syria they provides a convenient trial run...

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 18:05 | 3605362 Panafrican Funk...
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It will be interesting to see how they go about getting the SAMs from Ashuluk to Syria.  You either have to go through Turkey or Northern Iraq.  Only other route is through Bulgaria/Greece.  No fly zone indeed.  Interested to know the capabilities of the Tartus base in providing sufficient deterrence.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 18:36 | 3605450 The Phu
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I'm going to throw a "contrarian" POV out there...  Obummer has mastered the use of drones in undeclared, illegal wars aroudn the world.  That experience might prove quite useful...  


Let's assume that Israel either doesn't try or fails to disrupt the shipment of these Russkie SAMs.  If each of these platforms carries 48 missiles, with two missiles targeted at each "bogey" then we can assume each mobile launcher can target 24 planes.  5 minutes to reload/redeploy, that's two hours to launch the entire salvo.  In two hours, I suspect the Pentagon can manage to swarm each of the six launchers to be delivered by Russ with more than 24 drones (actually, even say Russ figures this out and launches one missile per drone - it's not like it's going to do a 9G evasive manuever or something).  In two hours, I'd think we could launch at least one hellfire from at least one of 25 drones flown at each launcher.  The beautiful thing is that why even bother sending a $2b (and two American lives) B-2 bomber to potentially neutralize this when you could send a swarm of drones and have a potentially high success rate with far less taxpayer fiat at risk??

Obummer has demonstrated his prowess of executing Americans, sorry, typo, unconventional war with drones.  The Pentagon has to figure this.  This really isn't a threat, but perhaps the political cover to drag us into another unneccessary war. 


Just a random, fairly uneducated thought...

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 18:56 | 3605501 Urban Redneck
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boring operational details to consider...

The missle batteries will be delivered on a Russian ship (given the circumstances, quite possibly a military flagged vessel)

Accompanying the missles will be uniformed Russian military officers.


Killing a goat fucker with a cruise missile or a drone is one thing.  Launching an overt military assault against a major nuclear power is quite another.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 19:28 | 3605584 MeMadMax
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That's why we know israel is just pounding it's fists over it.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 22:14 | 3606036 Dane Bramage
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Or Israel will just wait for the Russians to go home? 

Wed, 05/29/2013 - 02:09 | 3606480 wee-weed up
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Forget Israel...

This is Obama wanting a wag-the-dog front-page diversion to take the heat off him and all his scandals.

A war right now would be just what the doctor ordered. Mission accomplished.

Wed, 05/29/2013 - 06:05 | 3606607 Sandmann
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I am not sure he will get one.......maybe two or three. Britain failed when it could not take on Italy, Germany, Japan simultaneously and funnily enough it did not need to. It had been Japan's ally 1902-1922 until the US objected as a major creditor of British war loans; and it had been Italy's ally under the Hoare-Laval Pact; and Hitler saw Britain and Italy as the only potential allies in Western incompetent foreign policy had Britain going bust to save the USSR.

What mistakes will Obama make ? Will he face down China in Asia and Russia in the Middle East ? Will Americans pay the taxes to fund the munitions ? They went through so many cruise missiles in Libya, are the stocks replenished ? Is Taiwan defensible ? Is Japan ? Is India ? What about an Iranian entry and Pakistan and China and Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kenya and Nigeria being toppled ?

Wed, 05/29/2013 - 18:41 | 3608722 dark pools of soros
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If China or Pakistan nukes India that will destroy all US corps since they outsourced everything to keep making profits

That would be a true black swan if they just beat the shit out of India then Taiwan. South Korean Singapore and hold Japan hostage

Thu, 05/30/2013 - 15:40 | 3609596 Lore
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Guess my humour is too subtle...

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 20:08 | 3605678 San Diego Gold Bug
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Great comment UR !!I am still laughing!!!!

Wed, 05/29/2013 - 00:32 | 3606384 SwingersRuS
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Pride cometh before a Fall...

Wed, 05/29/2013 - 01:20 | 3606432 jonjon831983
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Exactly, that's likely amongst the reasons why the Russians have been adding more ships: protection of material transported into the region.

Those supposed humanitarians on a boat heading to Palestine were stopped and boarded by Israeli commandos, that would not likely happen if there was Russian warship escort (assuming they would have put themselves out there for that).

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 19:17 | 3605542 LeisureSmith
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Not a bad idea etirely, but the problem with that is that the SAM's are a defensive weapon and to destroy them would be an agressive act and likely kill some Russian operators/advisers. Not good, but who knows, this "wider war" has been in the works for some time and that might just be a "good" way to get it firing on all cylinders.

The MIC is salivating for some modern warfare...I'm not. Fuck the war profiteer.

Edit: And yeah, what Urban Redneck said....Dang, i'm slowposting like a boss.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 19:19 | 3605555 Maestro Maestro
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The Syrians already have in place short- and medium-range anti-aircraft missile batteries defending their airspace, including the famous Pantsir-S1 system.  That's the main reason why the Israeli airforce fired their missiles from Lebanese airspace because they were deterred from entering Syrian airspace by the SAMs in Syria.  So the Israeli or American aircraft do not have only the S-300s to be delivered to Syria to contend with.

In addition to the above, there already are naval version S-300s on the Russian warships docked at the Syrian Tartus port.  Now the really interesting question is, why didn't the Russians shoot down the Israeli aircraft or the missiles they fired?  Those Russian systems surely were capable of detecting and deterring the Israeli planes that bombed Syria.

Those Russians betrayed the Syrians, it seems.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 20:15 | 3605669 john39
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or, the Russians are doing everything they can to avoid WWIII while the foaming at the mouth mad israelis are doing everything they can to start it...

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 22:08 | 3606004 Strut
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or, the Russians, Israelis, China and every fucking other country with a fiat loving central bank is in need of a reset machine ala WWI/WWII. They all have their reasons to play... the end game is the same... only the final state of the board after checkmate is still in flux.

Wed, 05/29/2013 - 01:09 | 3606418 jonjon831983
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Biding their time maybe to continue building up defenses... especially when they can only take defensive measures in a conventional sense or else spark something bigger - they can't show all their cards at once until adequate defenses are in place.  Looking at it if Iran is next target, the longer they delay and keep building up defenses the more hardened Iran will be after Syria.

Wed, 05/29/2013 - 00:27 | 3606379 monkeyshine
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That is of course a decent theory. At the same time, SAMs don't do to well against ground-based sabotage either.  This is a guerilla conflict Syria against factions of its people.  Only Israel and Syria are flying over the Syrian skies. The "rebels" are fighting this on the ground. 

Wed, 05/29/2013 - 03:22 | 3606521 Sandmann
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"Rebels" are being beaten and will be a long way from S300 batteries which will be screened. Do you realy think the Russians have air defence strategies vulnerable to US soldiers entering Soviet territory ? By the same token the USA is vulnerable to Chinese PhD students hacking Pentagon systems or bringing down NORAD. Or British "lone wolves" taking down Fylingdales or Menwith Hill.

On the other hand, how does Los Angeles look after a coordinated Chinese and Russian nuclear strike on East and West Coasts ??

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 19:26 | 3605579 MeMadMax
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Thats what the ocean is for, numbnuts...

Wed, 05/29/2013 - 00:28 | 3606381 monkeyshine
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Yeah, some people don't realize Syria has ports on the Mediterranian, north of Lebanon, south of Turkey. It isn't land-locked.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 20:49 | 3605778 TheFourthStooge-ing
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It will be interesting to see how they go about getting the SAMs from Ashuluk to Syria.  You either have to go through Turkey or Northern Iraq.  Only other route is through Bulgaria/Greece.

Unlike most world leaders, Putin has testicles and a spine. He'll probably just put them on boats and send them through the Bosphorus and Dardanelles.

Interested to know the capabilities of the Tartus base in providing sufficient deterrence.

Probably much improved with the fleet anchored in Cyprus.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 21:03 | 3605820 Mr. Magoo
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 They have been hijacked by the new Khazarian empire

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 21:54 | 3605971 Jreb
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Sadly - this about sums it up.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:15 | 3605147 redpill
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Well, I'm just glad we have the most transparent administration in history, I'm sure they'll go right to Congress to ask for authorization before sending in the drones/missiles/expendables(aka troops and ambassadors).

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 18:00 | 3605344 disabledvet
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yeah no shit. i thought we were on the verge of a peace process. oh, yeah..haven't had one of those in 6 years either. hmmm. i hope they send the troops some place sunny and warm so they need not be bothered by such things. how did the whole spiel go with the USA at the beginning of the 20th century? "the easiest way to get rich is to find new ways for the human race to kill each other"?

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 19:22 | 3605567 john39
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"peace process"= do what we want or we bomb the shit out of you.    I wonder why Russia and Assad aren't falling for it...

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 19:13 | 3605545 brettd
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It his genius on days like today the got him the Nobel PEACE prize.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:55 | 3605148 francis_sawyer
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"Israel has ratified the main human rights conventions; however, it is not a party to any additional protocols except the Optional Protocol on Children in Armed Conflicts. It has also not accepted the jurisdiction of any of the treaty body committees; thus, individual communications cannot be considered. In addition, Israel made important reservations on the conventions it ratified"

Israel is a party to the 1949 Geneva Conventions, but not to the first and second 1977 Additional Protocols. Although Israel has signed the 1998 Rome Statute on 28 August 2002, the Secretary-General received from the Government of Israel, the following communication: " connection with the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court adopted on 17 July 1998, [...] Israel does not intend to become a party to the treaty. Accordingly, Israel has no legal obligations arising from its signature on 31 December 2000. Israel requests that its intention not to become a party, as expressed in this letter, be reflected in the depositary's status lists relating to this treaty."

Israel has domestically declared State of Emergency since 1948. A notifications under Article 4(3) of the Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (Derogations), was made on 3 October 1991, after the ratification of the Convention.

"Since its establishment, the state of Israel has been the victim of continuous threats and attacks on its very existence as well as on the life and property of its citizens. These have taken the form of threats of war, of actual armed attacks, and campaigns of terrorism resulting in the murder of and injury to human beings. In view of the above, the State of Emergency which was proclaimed in May 1948 has remained in force ever since. This situation constitutes a public emergency within the meaning of article 4 (1) of the Covenant. The Government of Israel has therefore found it necessary, in accordance with the said article 4, to take measures to the extent strictly required by the exigencies of the situation, for the defence of the state and for the protection of life and property, including the exercise of powers of arrest and detention. In so far as any of these measures are inconsistent with article 9 of the Covenant, Israel thereby derogates from its obligations under that provision."



I think the obvious question to ask onesself is as follows:

There is a cornucopia of published opinion available which pretty much argues that the ratification of the State of Israel in 1948 was, yet another, 11th hour 'arm twisting' deal [just like the [non]Federal [non]Reserve...

In any case... One needs to ask the logical question, [based on the Geneva protocol above], WHY... for it's ENTIRE existence, has Israel basically taken the posture that "Everybody hates us... we're constantly & officially at war with everyone, & we ain't playin by the same PEACE rules that all the rest of you have agreed to play by"...

I mean, if it were the case that everybody hated them from the start, how the hell did they get ratified in the first place?...

Hint: It's rhetorical

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 21:39 | 3605920 moonshadow
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 "Everybody hates us... we're constantly & officially at war with everyone, & we ain't playin by the same PEACE rules that all the rest of you have agreed to play by"... 

Israel has NOT taken that posture so your whole argument is specious. you have quotation marks around that comment. so where is that quote from hmm? you made it up that's where. and...even tho YOU might need a hint in such cases, the rest of us DO recognize rhetorical comments when we see them francis. we also recognize pure rhetoric.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 22:23 | 3606043 francis_sawyer
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Israel has not taken that posture?????????????????????????????... Did you click on the link or read the comments above???............... A country that had basically declared itself in a state of Emergency since the day it came into existence????????????.................... & DOES NOT conform to the same Geneva protocols????.................. of course the part that you selected within the quotations was my characterization [interpretation] of what was written above... It's what any thinking, or otherwise, non-water carrying sychophant would conclude [but, of course, that's another characterization, which you yourself seem to think you're not guilty of]...


Want to talk about personal comments?... You say "the rest of us"... Can you please supply me a list & roster of "the rest of us"?... I'll use my deductive powers to guess it's you and your shadow...

This argument is over... It's clearly a waste of my time...

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 23:41 | 3606269 moonshadow
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i dont mind admitting your possible good point about 'the rest of us' comment (i still think most zh readers can tell a rhetorical comment when they see one but...)  especially since you admitted your error also. as far as their posture- if they had NOT taken the posture that MANY wanted them annihilated and therefore they needed to be constantly vigilant, they would have lost their land and many, if not most, of their people would have lost their lives to any of the many countries that would have liked to snuff out their existence, some because they occupy the land that is rightfully theirs, and some merely because they are jews. thats the way it is whether you like to admit it or not. if they were another group besides jews i wonder what the world's attitude (and yours) would be?

Wed, 05/29/2013 - 06:39 | 3606640 francis_sawyer
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I'll tell you what my attitude would be...


Bangladeshi's... are roughly 2% of the worlds population [&, as the case may be, most live on their own land & keep top themselves]...

Aside from that, they are NOT asymmetrically getting their hands dirty in banking [money printing, to enrich themselves to the detriment of others], MSM [spewing propaganda for themselves & basically re-writing history], political activism [which includes the MIC & all the misery that bring upon the rest of the world], or jurisprudence [whereby selective application of unnatural law occurs & terrible crimes go unpunished]...

So... Bangladeshi's don't really bother me that much because from my POV they live & let live...

Wed, 05/29/2013 - 08:10 | 3606823 moonshadow
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you revealed yourself. hint: i dont direct that remark to ALL people named sawyer...

Wed, 05/29/2013 - 18:55 | 3608756 dark pools of soros
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Hopefully WWIII is a full fledged race war just to piss off all these pansy politically correct diversity multi-cultural suing shitbags

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:20 | 3605175 kaiserhoff
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Russia versus Israel.

    Maybe God has a sense of humor. 

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:36 | 3605236 Precious
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Israel versus Russia.

God DOES have a sense of humor.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:24 | 3605189 notbot
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The whole middle east is the boy who cried wolf. I've seen a variation of this story so many times, I don't even give it a second thought.  My entire life, the ME has been one headline away from complete meltdown. One day it actually will. But I'm completely numb to headlines, I'm sorry to say.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 19:12 | 3605543 FinalCollapse
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McCain illegally entered the Syrian territory. It means that the legal government of Syria can issue international criminal warrant against McCain and it will be legit. I don't think the Interpol can refuse acting on it as a matter of international law.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:23 | 3605183 dbTX
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Precious: Netanyahoo may have a small dick, but he's got one helll of a big stick.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:52 | 3605204 Precious
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His stick is called the Lucifer.  Anyone who wants one can have one.  All you have to do is ask.  Mostly used by lame, covetous, losers who are characteristically no good at sports or manual activities, have no interest in women besides their mothers, and have no need for an actual stick, other than a stick in the abstract.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:55 | 3605325 TheFourthStooge-ing
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His stick is called the Lucifer.

...and it's a strap-on.

Even Chinese citizenism citizens laugh at the extremic deficitis Netanyahoo has in that department.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 19:13 | 3605546 PiratePawpaw
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lightening powered even......exit stage left.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 18:00 | 3605341 General Decline
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They sold their souls a long time ago.  See Matthew 23.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 21:32 | 3605899 lord of the flies
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the question is: do you know how to use it?

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 16:49 | 3604988 Precious
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You're confusing Kim Jong Il with Putin, whom all the anti-Christites hate because he spoiled their Bolshevik sequel party and interfered with their lust for control of the massive Russian empire.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 16:52 | 3605026 otto skorzeny
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Yeltsin was the last Zionist puppet that will ever sit on Russia's throne.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 16:54 | 3605044 Jekyll_n_Hyde_Island
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Tue, 05/28/2013 - 16:57 | 3605064 Iocosus
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why is he a troll?

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:11 | 3605126 Jekyll_n_Hyde_Island
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Are we actually applauding the Russians for providing medium range ballistic missles to Syria?  Grow a fucking frontal lobe you baaahing fucking invertibrate flat worm.


  You have problems with American drones being responsible for killing (x) amount of people, but take no issue with war profiteering?  Fuck you you anti-semitic blindfolded street werido.

  I'm surprised the internet cafe hasn't kicked your homeless ass out already.  That goes for you pussy upvote followers too. 

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:14 | 3605138 Precious
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News for you: Go fuck yourself.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:34 | 3605228 phyuckyiu
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Yes we are applauding Russia for being the only thing standing in the way of Zionist domination of the planet. DAMN FUCKING STRAIGHT.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 23:21 | 3606256 Deo vindice
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Jekyil n Hyde

There are anger management courses available, ya know. Just sayin'.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:18 | 3605158 Bay of Pigs
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Here's a good example of what's wrong in this new ZH approach to "racial discrimination". You pull the "anti Semite" card to justify anything and everything, yet want others banned for even suggesting otherwise.

Applauding the Russians? LOL....yeah that's it. Get a fucking grip you retard.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:27 | 3605181 Divided States ...
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Yup. I agree. The Topic at hand involves Israel, so any reference to Israel or Jews in this topic should be fair game. Just turns out that unfortunately for most Jews....many of whats wrong in this world is a result of the actions of Israel through its puppet state of america.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 19:57 | 3605609 lord of the flies
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according to a famous american jew, you might be right...

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:23 | 3605185 Jekyll_n_Hyde_Island
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"You pull the "anti Semite" card"  -- I'm not pulling any cards.  This forum, especially Otto is unabashedly a Jew hating conspiracy theorist(s).  He'll admit it himself.  His post alludes to the Zionest conspiracy movement in the forum, which is echoed by many of the people here.

  BOP -- You're full of rhetoric and dishonesty.  You're a vacuum salesman when it comes to logic and Clinton with Autism when it comes to rhetoric.

  And BTW -- you've got the reading comprehension of a welfare pigmy -- you can't read implied logic worth a shit.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:45 | 3605201 Precious
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Let me guess.  You are the Mr. Hyde part.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:28 | 3605202 john39
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conspiracy? what, like satanic zionist central bankers attempting to enslave humanity through the use of fiat money ponzi schemes used to buy up control of most governments, the media and productive resources?  why on earth would anyone think that could be true.... bwhahahaha.....

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:33 | 3605219 Jekyll_n_Hyde_Island
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Thank you for legitimizing my suspicions, John.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:37 | 3605240 phyuckyiu
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When the trouble comes.... THEY ALWAYS RUN - Femi Kuti.


Time for the fleas to find a new host.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:38 | 3605252 Bay of Pigs
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And you too. Clear as a bell you have no fucking idea what you're talking about.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:44 | 3605268 Precious
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It's on the house, you inebriated douche.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:47 | 3605292 Jekyll_n_Hyde_Island
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ZH'ers like John, Precious, Otto and up-voters sheeple:

  -- How much is your reality really controlled?  You are capable of anything in this country, you can be wealthy, successful, whatever.  You just have to be smarter, not more evil or corrupt (which yes, sometimes happens)

  The Media -- turn off your fucking T.V.  Problem solved. (you have right of refusal)

  Productive Resources -- keep on physicals hoarding: problem solved.  (you have full access)

  The Government -- Doesn't actually surpress you.


  The average Intelligence Quotient in here keeps on going down and it's down right depressing.


  Stop fucking whining, go out and make more money, and then go about trying to change things.  I'm so fucking sick of reading the drivel in the comments section from idiots who couldn't read a chart to save their ass and espouse such hateful, ignorant drivel.



Tue, 05/28/2013 - 18:02 | 3605326 Precious
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Exactly how long do you think you can continue to bullshit everybody?  Just curious.

You're so fucking dumb, it's absolutely hillarious to pull your fucking chain.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 20:00 | 3605665 neptunium
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Come to my arms! 


This site is where loons come to relax in between Icke's forums and Infowars. 



Tue, 05/28/2013 - 22:24 | 3606055 UGrev
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Does the fact that I'm part Sicilian mean that I've got a job for you Fredo?  no, it doesn't.  Nice job at painting an entire population with a broad brush you fucking clown. 

Whoops.. wrong reply thread.. 

Anyway, this post is for everyone who thinks it's the J00000's..  instead of a small fraction of sinister people, regardless of religion. 

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:47 | 3605294 Bay of Pigs
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Yeah, okay Mr 15 weeks here @ ZH. Call me out. LOL.

You haven't earned any stripes here yet, so go fuck yourself.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:40 | 3605261 Kaiser Sousa
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Let me c how I can put this....

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:49 | 3605300 Truther
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Hey better hyde.

How is your tiny ass today? was it hurting last night?

but I thought bibi's dick was too small for ya!!!!


Tue, 05/28/2013 - 18:20 | 3605408 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Are we actually applauding the Russians for providing medium range ballistic missles to Syria?

I am applauding the Russians for providing an adequate air defense system to Syria.

It's about time that the bullying instigators of needless violence have to worry about being hit back. You got something against a fair fight?

You have problems with American drones being responsible for killing (x) amount of people, but take no issue with war profiteering?

The US is the world's biggest war profiteer, and the Israeli government is the world's biggest military welfare queen.

Fuck you you anti-semitic blindfolded street werido.

That overused trump card isn't what it used to be. Semitic is not equivalent to Israeli, or even Jewish. There are semitic Syrians, Jordanians, Lebanese, Palestinians, and Israelis. The government of Israel, on a regular basis, carries out unnecessary violence against semitic (and non-semitic) people in the region, and in so doing, needlessly endangers the semitic (and non-semitic) people of Israel.

Additionally, these actions of the Israeli government provide a steady stream of ammunition to anti-Jewish propagandists who then use it to smear all Israelis, and Jews worldwide, with a broad brush of hatred.

When you consider not the words, but the acts of the Israeli government, it is clear that it is one of the most anti-semitic regimes on the planet.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 22:10 | 3606017 margaris
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+1 Exactly.

The powers behind the israeli government have readily sacrificed "the jews" so many times in history.

It's like they keep this population of perfect scapegoats around just in case...

Perfect sociopathy, keeping your enemies close and your scapegoats closer.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 22:50 | 3606162 Grimlock
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Russia's defiance against the perpetual belligerence of Israel and the West is the best thing for the PEOPLE of Israel and Western countries. The imperialist nature of these aggressors does not favor the people, nor does it represent their interests. I for one, am relieved to see Russia at least try to play by the rules we've all agreed upon, and it's about damn time someone puts their foot down. 

Wed, 05/29/2013 - 15:05 | 3608225 The Heart
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You good Sir 4thS, are one of the sharpest knives in the drawer here. A true credit to the intelligence in the humor of the original Stooges. Thank you for saying so well what so many of the majority here feel that just do not know how to speak truth to power as well as you do. It is just amazing to see the real truths here emerge and easily overcome with facts the fantasy devil tricks of these hate filled people that blame everybody else for being hateful. How perfectly orwellian/satanic/hegelian/machiavellian/bolshevik/zionist is that!

One truth is for reals. There is a far greater majority of those who know the truth here, than these evil ones that have annoyingly infiltrated ZH. Best guess is they are enemy operators that are at war with all Americans, and America herself. They use bot technology and possibly programs that allow multiple arrow voting by one user. Only one country would develop such things for obviously evil and manipulative purposes all across the broad spectrum of the blogosphere. The new police here should be banning these cretins, and not honest posters that speak truth to power.

They mask and re-mask constantly because of the chicken-tardness to step into the light of a fair fight. When the time comes, the double-edged sword will surprisingly emerge from behind them and clean the halls and houses of this blatant wicked murderous evil once and for all. The history will reflect that only they themselves brought down their destruction upon themselves, and no one else for any other reason. Of course, that is what isreal was created for by the master puppeteers that own them for this very purpose. (Balfour agreement)

If isreal dares to mess with Russia, and Russia wipes them off the map, the world will give a standing ovation in seeing the worst most hate filled country eliminated so the rest of the world can get on with living in peace, and a new world order that there be NO MORE DECEPTIONS TO START WARS FOR PROFIT.

Disclaimer: This information is put here to inform, educate, or entertain. If you are not informed, educated, or entertained, then DO NOT READ IT AND MOVE ALONG.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 19:36 | 3605605 Iocosus
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Jeckyl, what is your assessment of these events?

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 19:48 | 3605637 knightowl77
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If the US can arm its allies, why should not the Russians arm their allies?

What gives BHO and Johnny McVain the right to intervene all over the fucking globe....Why are we at war with Al Queda in Afghanistan and yet support them in Libya or Syria?????? Why are we talking about establishing No Fly Zones to support Al Queda and the Muslim Brotherhood?


This is seriously fucked up

Wed, 05/29/2013 - 07:05 | 3606675 TheGrandChessboard
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And all the while Iran is getting closer and closer to nukes, and you jew boys cant do a thing about it. When Iran finally has the nukes all it has to do is threaten to use them and 25% of the Jews will leave Israel, this will be the best and brightest, you will see capital flight and brain drain like the world has never seen before. That will leave Israel with the worst, turning even further to the right and becoming more radical. At that point you will see Israel lose more and more respect, sanctions will continue and increase, at which point Israel will sufficent rope to hang themselves. Personally I am hopign they go full retard with there samson option, because that means we can hunt the rest of them down.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 16:57 | 3605065 otto skorzeny
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Troll this -bitch.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:13 | 3605134 Nordberg
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Snappy retort.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:25 | 3605191 gmrpeabody
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That's how it's gotten around here..., sad really.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:27 | 3605193 Likstane
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...not really. I expected more from Otto.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 19:24 | 3605574 PiratePawpaw
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I stayed in a Snappy Retort once, or was that a Holiday Inn Express..................

Nevermind, Either way I am now an expert on International Affairs.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 22:29 | 3606094 RafterManFMJ
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 Either way I am now an expert on International Affairs.

Same, brother! I got a blowjob from a Canuck IN a Holliday Inn Express!

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:15 | 3605066 Precious
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Makes my day.  But you should change your handle, unless you actually like to look like a Mossad plant.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:27 | 3605197 Jekyll_n_Hyde_Island
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Been to a rally lately Otto?  Burn any crosses?


  Half the people in this forum probably secretly consider David Duke a hero.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:39 | 3605220 Precious
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<- Who's David Duke?

<- Then just leave ZH.

(Sorry, only one vote per customer)

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:50 | 3605303 Jekyll_n_Hyde_Island
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<-- Fallacy of the excluded middle

<-- Just plain ol' retarded.


  Precious is your context.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 18:07 | 3605367 Precious
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<- WTF

<- LOL

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 18:48 | 3605483 Max Hunter
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Jekyll.. could you be a bigger dick? I'm not a closet David Duke fan.. I'm quite open about it.  They only thing you've proven is you are smart enough to sign up for an account here.   Keep talking about the IQ around here going down. We concure completely by the implications of our voting.  Keep your Israel first religion to yourself. It's going out of style..

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 18:02 | 3605348 kurzdump
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Wake up man, theres a difference between zionists and jews.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 20:10 | 3605687 lord of the flies
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true! and here is the difference between jews and zionists: the transfer agreement!


Tue, 05/28/2013 - 18:12 | 3605382 General Decline
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" Half the people in this forum probably secretly consider David Duke a hero.


The media painted him in a very stereotypical way.  Have you ever listened to what he has to say?  I'm guessing not. 

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 18:27 | 3605425 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Jekyll_n_Hyde_Island said:

Been to a rally lately Otto?  Burn any crosses?

  Half the people in this forum probably secretly consider David Duke a hero.

Go ahead, call him Hitler. You know you want to.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:53 | 3605309 bank guy in Brussels
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Russia's leader before Putin tossed him out, Boris Yeltsin, was indeed Jewish, family name 'Jelzman'.

The name was changed because « the Russian people would be afraid of the name Jelzman since his grandfather Jelzman had murdered thousands of Russians under Beria [and Joseph Stalin]. »

Putin's getting rid of Yeltsin - Jelzman is regarded by Russians as having saved the nation ... and maybe the world.

Interesting article, 'Will Putin Save the World From Israel ? - We Are All Russians Now'

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 18:27 | 3605001 mjcOH1
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"KJI died in Dec 2011, if you believe Korean state news. Or do you have differing info?"

He's confusing his Uns and his Ils. Let it go.

Kind of like asking what's new this year when the farmer next door is laying down shit for the 40th year running. Same Un, different year.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 16:47 | 3604989 prains
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Kim's presently on tour with Elvis but will make a special commemorative appearance this week

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 22:41 | 3606133 Uncle Remus
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"Elvis isn't dead. He just went home."

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 21:38 | 3605912 TheReplacement
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Il, Un, Ding, Dong... whatever man.  They're all the same, communist pitbulls on a leash.  

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 16:39 | 3604943 francis_sawyer
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"Israel WARNS Russia"



Tue, 05/28/2013 - 16:41 | 3604957 ParaZite
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This means Israel warns Russia that it will sic America on it, if they piss them off. 


Tue, 05/28/2013 - 16:50 | 3605018 Precious
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Safe to say, Putin isn't worried.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:02 | 3605085 Divided States ...
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Israel is like my dog ...whenever the post man comes, I witness him barking at the door like hes ready to rip him apart. Of course, he does it because he knows I am sitting near him and he feels secure.....but when I aint around, he runs away with his tail between his leg and hides in a dark corner....One day Israel will be barking like the annoying chihuahua that they are but when they turn around...theres no one watching their backs.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:07 | 3605113 francis_sawyer
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"This means Israel warns Russia that it will sic America on it, if they piss them off."


And what the hell makes you think that America would just lie down & play lap dog?... Oh wait!

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:07 | 3605116 Iocosus
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as is prophesized...

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:15 | 3605150 Canadian Dirtlump
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how one can't look at this in a biblical slant is beyond me. You have the militant orthodoxy asking bibi to bring the messiah, the fundamentalist muslims looking for the mahdi, and the bible, well, the troubling of damascus is well known.


One may not believe, but it is increasingly obvious that the right, or wrong people do, and are following the script.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:27 | 3605186 Precious
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Really not clear what you're even talking about.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:39 | 3605239 francis_sawyer
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The script?

What?... Did 'The Script' write itself or something?...

Somebody writes a script 6,000 years ago... A determined bunch decide to use it as a "playbook" [coercively ~ when necessary]... How hard is that?... [all looks like 'magic' in the end]...

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:42 | 3605273 john39
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yes, but there are other versions of the script where the zionist anti-christ and his minions meet their doom after the battle for damascus...  you won't, however, see that information on Fox network...

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 18:11 | 3605377 They trynna cat...
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They'll rule temporarily under the 'glory' of their antichrist, the satanic messiah that they've been waiting for all these years who will subjugate the world from Jerusalem.

The coming of the antichrist ("the beast") will be the real world realization of the Star of David (star of molech): the upright triangle symbolizing humanity with their cabal at the top; the upside-down triangle symbolizing Lucifer ("the dragon who gives the beast his power") and hell intersecting with earth and humanity, finally realizing his goal of being worshipped by mankind.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 19:30 | 3605589 Iocosus
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enter Nimrod....

The good news is they lose, the only problem is what happens in between.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:33 | 3605222 A. Magnus
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Most pinheads who bring up the Bible have never read the damned thing in the first place; for instance the whole 'Gog and Magog' invasion of the 'holy land.'

What most ignorant fucktards don't understand is that the Ashkenazi Jews who invaded Palestine in 1948 originated in the very same place ethnically and geographically as Gog and Magog in the bible. That would be the north shores of the Black Sea, where the ethnic Khazars had their medieval empire.

So technically just about EVERY 'biblical prophecy' propaganda is based upon bullshit...

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 17:46 | 3605291 Canadian Dirtlump
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My comment stems from numerous parties following their end times prophecy. I'm not a seminary grad like you of course, I've just studied all the abrahamic religions for most of my adult life. I wasn't saying anything overtly dogmatic.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 18:58 | 3605389 They trynna cat...
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Which is why Christ calls the Khazars/Ashkenazim out in the Book of Revelation:

"I know the blasphemy of those who claim to be Jews and are not, but are the Synagogue of Satan."

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 19:30 | 3605592 Iocosus
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you said it

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 22:46 | 3606150 Uncle Remus
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I love the smell of biblical smite in the morning. Smells like sulfur.

Wed, 05/29/2013 - 01:28 | 3606430 Kirk2NCC1701
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1. There is no fate but the one we make.

2 The only useful prophecy is the self-fulfilling prophecy.

3. The Commoners consider religion as true, the wise consider it false, and the Rulers consider it as useful.

Given 1-3 above, the Rulers don't mind using religion in forging their fate or that of their vassals, nor do they mind making good use of prophecies that can become self-fulfilling. Poor commoners, rarely rising to the top for very long.

Unlike some, I've learned some time ago that to give up all illusions and pretenses is the beginning of wisdom. And the beginning of the only true 'freedom' there is: Inner Freedom of the mind and spirit.

Having said that, I fully expect the various sides/parties to be true to their nature and agenda, regardless of the noise or distractions. I only hope that we reach 'resolution', w/o glowing in the dark - like Chicken Kiev.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 20:42 | 3605755 lord of the flies
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haven't you heared about the rabinic story of the cock fight?

a small cock in the arena hides to watch two big cocks fight and kill each other to death

then the small one get all the pride but did nothing more than pushing the big ones into fighting each other to total extermination!

it's story i've been told from the yeshiva!

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 21:17 | 3605849 They trynna cat...
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An actual video was made of that story featuring live birds.  Must see to believe.

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 22:52 | 3606168 Oliver Klozoff
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Darkies gang up on the whitey.

Nothing new here, "yawn".

Tue, 05/28/2013 - 22:34 | 3606109 RafterManFMJ
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Is this Boris Alatovkrap's new alias?

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!