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Syria Goes Hot: Russia To Deliver Weapons, Deploys Air Defense; Israel Warns Russia; Obama Demands No Fly Zone
Those who were intently following the USDJPY pair formerly known as the stock market today missed the biggest news of the day: the proxy war in Syria just went hot, following a confluence of news, first that Russia insisted "it would deliver anti-aircraft missiles to Syria despite international criticism, as fears of spillover from the conflict grew" and in logical retaliation to yesterday's decision by Europe to lift an arms embargo to the Al Qaeda-supported, Qatari mercenaries operating in Syria, also known as "rebels.
This lead Israel's defense minister Moshe Yaalon to immediately signal that "its military is prepared to strike shipments of advanced Russian weapons to Syria."
Meanwhile back in the US "the White House has asked the Pentagon to draw up plans for a no-fly zone inside Syria that would be enforced by the U.S. and other countries such as France and Great Britain, two administration officials told The Daily Beast."
And just to make it very clear that Russia is not bluffing, it announced overnight that its four regiments of S-300 air defense systems have been deployed at the Ashuluk firing range in southern Russia as part of another snap combat readiness check of the Russian armed forces "The missions will be carried out in conditions of heavy electronic warfare to test the capabilities of the air defense units to the highest limit."
And to think: yet another threat of a global war over some natgas pipelines from Qatar to Europe, and a threat to Gazprom's monopoly.
Russia insisted Tuesday it would deliver anti-aircraft missiles to Syria despite international criticism, as fears of spillover from the conflict grew after three Lebanese soldiers were killed in a border-area attack.
Israel warned Russia it would "know what to do" if the delivery went ahead, and Syria's top rebel commander gave Hezbollah, the powerful Lebanese Shiite movement, a 24-hour ultimatum to stop fighting alongside regime forces.
The developments stoked tensions after the European Union decided to lift an embargo on weapons to Syria's rebels, in a move the opposition reacted to with caution.
Syria's regime joined its ally Russia in condemning the EU decision as an "obstruction" to peace efforts, while accusing the bloc of supporting and encouraging "terrorists".
Moscow said it would go ahead with its plans to deliver the S-300 missiles to Syria, despite international concerns, saying the weapons were part of existing contracts.
"We consider these supplies a stabilising factor," deputy foreign minister Sergei Ryabkov said, adding they could act as a deterrence against foreign intervention.
Israel's immediate response via the Guardian:
Israel quickly issued a thinly veiled warning that it would bomb the Russian S-300 missiles if they were sent to Syria, as such a move would bring the advanced guided missiles within range of civilian and military planes over Israel. Israel has conducted three sets of air strikes on Syria this year, aimed at preventing missiles being brought close to its border by the Lebanese Shia group Hezbollah.
"The shipments haven't set out yet and I hope they won't," Moshe Ya'alon, the Israeli defence minister, said. "If they do arrive in Syria, God forbid, we'll know what to do."
Russia's deputy foreign minister, Sergey Ryabkov, argued that the delivery of the S-300 system had been previously agreed with Damascus and would be a stabilising factor that could dissuade "some hotheads" from entering the conflict. That appeared to be a reference to the UK and France, who pushed through the lifting of the EU embargo on Monday night and are the only European countries considering arming the rebel Free Syrian Army (FSA).
After much deliberations, and unable to find the much needed "weapons of mass destruction" to justify intervention, the US is nonetheless escalating next and Obama is now said to demand plans for a No Fly Zone over Syria from the Pentagon. From the Daily Beast:
Along with no-fly zone plans, the White House is considering arming parts of the Syrian opposition and formally recognizing the Syrian opposition council.
The White House has asked the Pentagon to draw up plans for a no-fly zone inside Syria that would be enforced by the U.S. and other countries such as France and Great Britain, two administration officials told The Daily Beast.
The request was made shortly before Secretary of State John Kerry toured the Middle East last week to try and finalize plans for an early June conference between the Syrian regime and rebel leaders in Geneva. The opposition, however, has yet to confirm its attendance and is demanding that the end of Syrian President Bashar al Assad’s rule be a precondition for negotiations, a condition Assad is unlikely to accept.
In April, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey told the House Appropriations Subcommittee on Defense that the military was planning for a range of options in Syria but that he did not necessarily support using those options.
"We're prepared with options, should military force be called upon and assuming it can be effectively used to secure our interests without making matters worse,” he said. “We must also be ready for options for an uncertain and dangerous future. That is a future we have not yet identified."
And finally going back full circle, Russia announced overnight that its four regiments of S-300 air defense systems have been deployed at the Ashuluk firing range in southern Russia as part of another snap combat readiness check of the Russian armed forces, the Defense Ministry said. From RIA:
The regiments were airlifted on Thursday by military transport planes to designated drop zones where they will carry out a variety of missions simulating the defense of the Russian airspace from massive attacks by “enemy” missiles and aircraft.
“The missions will be carried out in conditions of heavy electronic warfare to test the capabilities of the air defense units to the highest limit,” the ministry said.
A total of 8,700 personnel, 185 warplanes and 240 armored vehicles are involved in the three-day exercise, overseen by Col. Gen. Vladimir Zarudnitsky, head of Russian General Staff’s Main Operations Directorate.
Surely all of the above is very beneficial for future global GDP prospects.
Finally, here is the Russian S-300 system causing Qatar gas pipeline plans global democracies so much consternation:
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I guess they didn't foresee the blue pill...
They're fighting over which religion is the most peaceful.
yep, and given satan's senile minion john mccain treasonously celebrated memorial day with al quaeda the writing was on the wall.
The reality is the throngs of irregulars are close to all dying, and the foreign insurrection close to collapsing, so either the west goes in or they lose. That is how I see it. HEre we fucking go. Thanks for nothing assholes.
p.s. DRAW UP plans? LIke the patriot act was drawn up? More like take them out of the filing cabinet.
Well it is our fault. We supplied them with weapons that required aiming.
Concur. If a certain outcome is desired, perhaps those who desire it are best advised to make it so without providing weapons to Al-Qaeda.
Summation: If them EU boys want the gas they may have to fight to get it. Bullish for Southern European employment.
Edit: Further, there is not a thing wrong with that in my mind (have not fully considered implications, but generally speaking). Protecting their (EU) strategic interests is what people sometimes have to fight over. Godspeed to you fellas, I hope we will offer air support to back you up should you decide to proceed.
Funny piece on McCain in Syria:
« Senator John McCain has joined al-Qaeda ... According to terror expert Daniel Pipes, McCain is the highest-level American politician ever to have joined al-Qaeda: “... Now that the State of Israel has openly merged with al-Qaeda, and is bombing Syria on behalf of al-Qaeda operations, I believe we will be seeing more well-known American statesmen follow in the footsteps of Senator McCain.”
« McCain’s colleague Sen. Lindsey Graham ... explained: “Al-Qaeda is a branch of Israel, and Israel has the right to attack anyone it wants, including us. That’s why McCain’s father covered up the Israeli massacre of the USS Liberty crew, and it’s why we all covered up Israel’s demolition of the World Trade Center on 9/11. If Israel and its al-Qaeda front group want to blow up any more American skyscrapers, the United States must stand behind them and offer our full support.”
« Meanwhile, back at the White House, an executive ... death panel is considering targeting McCain in a drone strike. Polls showed that since McCain joined al-Qaeda, 68% of Americans now favor “taking him out” – a three-point jump since he joined the terrorist group. »
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/05/28/mcjihad/
Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb McCain.
I hear McCain's starring in the next Die Hard movie.
He is senile
isn't usa gov.(see john kerry on this video supporting jihaad in syria halla aakhbar john?) to buysy supporting al-quaeda?
http://youtu.be/kNaK3XgMq4o
nato setting a trap to russia(english):
http://youtu.be/eHWzo_4rj9w
The Lords of fiat know that only a major war will save them at this point. And they badly want to draw the Bear into a bear trap.
And when your enemy's/neighbor's protector is a lot bigger than you are, you need to get him into the ring with your own protector.
Leverage, my friends, is more about brains than brawn.
Popcorn's up! Got another batch coming out of the microwave in 2 minutes. Who wants some?
got any butter?
Uncle Remus - Wouldn't KY or WTI oil be a better lubricant for that Russian SAM they want to shove up Netanyahu's sphincter.
"Just me and the pigmy pony over by the dental floss bush" FZ
"I'm riding a small tiny horse,
his name is Mighty Little, he's a good horse."
Why do men always have to name their penises?
Ya know, really, I just wanted some butter on my popcorn.
I don't think the Russian military is what it used to be... I think they could warn them. They do have nukes
You must be kidding.
US flies bombers at North Korea. Russia circles Guam with bombers.
Message sent. Message received.
After being given a schematic of the S-300, and witnessing the freakout that the alllllmighty Israel has to it being deployed, we still get this ignorant shite about how Russia SuX0rZ the big wang. Amusing.
Whose military is "what it used to be"?
Texas'
Wait - is that the same military that W "flew" for?
Obama, " I want a no fly zone " waa, waa....
Yeah, sit down buhwheat, you done stepped off in some man shit..
No room for president vagina when handling man shit..
Well, that escalated quickly....
He's fucking Lord of the Flies.
I don't blame him - just look at Moochelle.
School must be out...
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Co...
That's one piece of shit a fly wouldn't land on.
not at all i ve been a military myself and i have nothing against supporting wars! except i ain't warring for satan myself.
but thank you for your deep analysis anyway ; verry constructive lol
or obamaniac will rather be eating your hart with his new dining friends from free syrian satanists-ender-meth mercenaries army
allah obamaakhbar! http://youtu.be/EXN5-HeQOto
No fly zone is so "militarily correct." Has been done in past with no consequences, so... Tyler, get back to the real reason for this conflict ( e.g. a primer for dummies on the pipeline or strategic grab for resources by the powers etc.---ps and while I am at it, I will read it, because I don't know squat what is really going on there either).
The real situation on the ground in Syria is probably a stew of rival gangs and marauders pillaging neighborhoods with no allegiance but to what ever they can steal, rape, or pillage, but which is being reported by MSM simply as The Rebels vs Assad.
I listened to a radio interview of a Damascus shopkeeper, who said that
"20% of the people love Assad too much, 20% hate him too much, and the 60% just love their country and want to get on with their lives. But this is now impossible with all the foreign interventions that are breaking up the country."
My view is that these are all designed to break it up, so that the ME will have only impotent or fractured regimes. All except one, which intends on becoming THE power in the region. If the world powers get into a fight, so be it, is their view and perhaps preference.
The globalist fanatics and zealots have taken over the Anglo-American alliance - as a vehicle toward their 1000 year ambitions.
Will the no fly zone be a red line?
I want a no fly zone too: No drones in the skies of my country!
obama ? the guy who said he would shut down gwantanamo?
...right!
Putin - Chess
Obama - Checkers
FSB vs. NWO (CIA, Mossad, MI6) is more accurate.
A lot of chess, poker, stagecraft and PR games at play. Very complex and very dangerous for all.
But the fiat CBs don't have many 'options' (get it?) left, before their house of cards collapses.
SVR more than FSB
"And just to make it very clear that Russia is absolutely not bluffing, it announced overnight that its four regiments of S-300 air defense systems have been deployed at the Ashuluk firing range in southern Russia as part of another snap combat readiness check of the Russian armed forces"
Bold move there. And in today's news patriot missiles were moved from somewhere in Nevada to somewhere else in Nevada.
Would be a strategic mistake to discount the Russians.
Amusing, if the S-300 is as impotent as a patriot missile, then why is Israel threatening war over it?
Recall the wise words of Tony Soprano: "Don't fuck with the Russians, Janice"
We need them here in Nevada. Gotta protect our borders from excursions from californika. Oops, I'm 20 years late.
Saw a contingent of missiles and support personnel and other gear hearing east of Seattle on I-90 yesterday midday. Headed toward Ellensburg or what's beyond, I guess.
Ashuluk is about 1800 km (1120 miles) from Syria. S-300 effective range is roughly 1/7th of that distance. Also, in case NATO gets directly involved in bombing Syria and Russia decides do intervene, they would have to fly over Georgia and Turkey. Even if Iran agreed to host Russian fighter jets and bombers, they would still have to fly over Iraqi Kurdistan to reach Syria.
S-300 in Ashuluk are defensive. (and already in place, since it's their regular test range)
Their offensive weapons are more than capable of striking any target in Israel from either Russian soil or their SSBNs...
Offensive maybe in their port in Cyprus?
If Syria wants serious bang for their buck they should attack the Saudi Oil depot of Ras Tanura. Oil to to 200/barrell in 3 2 1... Iran smiles and the west is in complete despair.
I'm surprised and shocked I say, shocked, that Al's Qay-duh hasn't done that already. They only seem to attack targets that result in greater US involvement. Interesting and perhaps telling.
what junkers?
haven't you seen this circus before, rinse, repeat, regurgitate!!
lap it up, Glitchez!
When all else fails - as in the economy?
Take the nation to war... Oh wait...
Never mind.
How is this hot? It looks like more positioning to me.
Benghazi was the first battle in the war. Benghazi was Iran-Russia. Iran was very pissed off.
This is going to become a real mess and the Russian are not going to back down. Brought to you by Obama,Clinton and the RINOs like McCain, Rubio and Graham.
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/55502
Looks like idf will get the highend f-35 now. All I can say is I hear testing on it going very well . F-35 can beat the s-300 !
Be really funny if it doesn't !!!!
Judging by how the various sub-contract schedules are being pulled in for the JSF, I'd say that someone is keen to get it battle-ready.
This puppy has a HUD that projects on the inside of the helmet visor, with eye-tracking capability.
The mainstream media is responding right on que, like there was some kind of news embargo, and now all talk of Syria war. What a charade. They even recruited the outpatient, John McCain this weekend. Immoral fucks. Tells you why there was so much erie silence last week. Like big news was on vacation. They were laying in wait to reveal the next war plan. Sorry Daryl Issa. You are now page 3.
John McChurian Candidate.
"Make it a 100 years"
John McCain, 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf7HYoh9YMM
Cancel that El Al flight...
No surprise here. This administration is hell-bent on turning the entire Middle East over to the Muslim Brotherhood.
Seems like it might get a bit more kinetic.
Bullish for the MIC.
The Sequestration should have hit the MIC stock, but it hasn't. It actually raised it.
Remember: stock price is a reflection of Expected future earnings.
everything was fine untill the russians started causing trouble. lol
Light those cheesepopes UP Vlad. Good piece on VeteransToday about Russia and the Romanovs and the Bolshevik cheesepopes-no love lost there.
So much cheese to consume... so few "popes"...
Must have moar war.
And there's again rumors that the Saudi King is dead...
And the FSA has threatened to start attacking Lebanon if Hezbollah doesn't withdraw from Syria within 24 hours.
And riots have been going on in Sweden for the last week with cops doing nothing.
http://www.realnewsreporter.com/?p=12279
And Scotland is about to approve ``state guardians from birth`` to every child.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/stuart-walton-care-plan-sees-dystopian-futu...
This world is totally insane.
"This world is totally insane."
That's what happens when you take the Red Pill!
One more insanity :
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2013/05/28/Children-network-trans...
Children's Network Launches Transsexual Superhero Show Nothing says “child-appropriate material” quite like gender-bending underage superheroes. At least that’s the theory over at the Hub, the network co-owned by Discovery and Hasbro, which is trotting out its latest soon-to-be-dud, SheZow. That show follows the adventures of a 12-year-old boy named Guy who uses a magic ring to transform himself into a crime-fighting girl. Yes, you read that correctly. When Guy says the magic words – “You go girl!” – he becomes SheZow, wearing a purple skirt and cape, as well as pink gloves and white boots.GET ME OFF THIS PLANET, STAT!
Not sure when you grew up, but the Famous Five certainly had a lesbian in there (she was a Tom-Boy, alright), Scooby Do was all about drugs and lesbians (and that blonde guy? Not straight, especially with that cravat) and He-Man was just. Well. S&M gaydar alert.
I hope you never find out about Bronies and MLP, your mind is going to explode in fabulousness. Actually, please do: Google: 4chan Bronies MLP Friendship is Magic.
I'll be behind this nice perspex window.
i remember hearing the howard stern show on that topic...
unreal
Ahh, my system just got compromised, too many mentions of sensitive stuff, canna view YouTube atm (Adobe- Our Updates Hack Yu!, one of the easiest ways in). :/
The MLP crowd don't like you prying.
i can totally respect the MLP crowd's privacy.
better i don't know anything...
Sorry, I draw the line at Bronies (said line being drawn with a Mossberg 500).
Some things are simply wrong.
You ever seen "Seven Psychopaths" with Christopher Walken? He definitely rocks the cravat, no homo, and normally no one thinks "hmm, Christopher Walken, there's a pussy to go pick on"
every time i read Ghordius, i picture the words coming out of this mouth
puts a whole new spin on his eloquence
;~)
@Aurora Ex Machina
Bronies and MLP
It's gotten to the point where some kids' whole fucking lives revolve around that shit. I've seen it in my little brother's generation -- MLP and Pokémon.
Whoever is writing those stories wields tremendous influence over kids who like stories.
The reality(?) tunnels are forming bottlenecks in more than one crowd.
+1
W. T. F.
I swear there's something in Revelations about this being a sign.
Obviously you never heard of Ranma 1/2. Story behind that is some cursed pool and various characters are affected (most turn from a human to an animal but the main character, Ranma, is particularly unlucky, male, and not interested in men for all you people who can't stop thinking that's really important to care about)
There's something very fishy going on with the Swedish "riots", especially when compared to the UK ones.
I'd urge you to look over this link, and wonder at the lack of actual (LiveLeak / YouTube etc) footage of rampaging mobs. Then dredge up some of the UK riots. You'll notice a marked difference.
Suddenly all the other journalists had left. They were all equipped with police radios. We were following developments on Twitter and via online forums. It started to get late and as we went to the car we found out that the arson had now spread to the Southern suburb Älvsjö. Apparently there was a library on fire...
A guy living next to the school explained to us how tired he was of all this. "This isn't about some guy being shot by police. This isn't about suburban kids rioting. This is just a few people picking on people who are already suffering."
It was almost 3AM now, and we decided to head home. We spotted some smoke on the horizon but were unable to locate where its source. The streets were empty. The highway was dark. We had seen so much in a few hours, but the riots, and trouble-making suburban kids, must either have been one step ahead of us, or maybe there were no riots at all, just a couple of bored and prolific arsonists.
Society of the Spectacle indeed.
nothing on bambuser either, very odd considering it's a swedish company.
“The story of terrorism is written by the state and it is therefore highly instructive… compared with terrorism, everything else must be acceptable, or in any case more rational and democratic.”
written in 1967
Guerrilla arsonists? Social/class diaspora?
There is something really weird going on -- I'm hoping language barrier is the culprit because there are eerie, blurry patches of incoherent reality in this article and description of events.
What's funny is that these dump cops keep giving tickets to cars who have been destroyed.
Littering.
There's been enough contact via social media etc from Swedes actually on the ground who are baffled by it, and have spotted no rampaging rioters either. While we fully understand the Swedish medias' "blur & whiten" policy (and think it's desperately retrograde and obvious to all), in this case it's actually just not happening. (In comparison to say, UK riots or French car burnings).
5GW - Lone Wolves are out howling, lighting fires.
There’s no way you can prevent it. There’s absolutely no way. It was random. It happened.
[credit to you for referencing the skilluminati site in some other post. still going through all the reading. good stuff.]
fires and hyping the spectacle thereof seems to be part of the scandinavian journalist playbook...
You forgot THE example of world gone crazy. Daddy Bernanke growing the economy by printing federal rserve notes, electronically of course. When PhD Economist from Ivy League school executes a Zimbabwe fiat printing strategy and convinces G-8 countries the wisdom of this insightful strategy, the world is totally insane.
Not to mention my economic teachers at UNIVERSITY (with PHDs) worshipping Bernanke... Question them in front of the whole class and you get kicked out... I know it happened to me several times... now I only go to the exams and that's it... can't stand their Bernanke, QE worshipping bullcrap.
Right because if there’s one thing we can count on, it’s that people on ZEROHEDGE of all places will forget all about the BernanQE and printed FRN’s. Yup, barely mentioned at all. Thanks for keeping us sharp.
BernanQE's job is to make sure the "future" hits us last. ( See my post right above yours)
apparently someone feels red-arrows are a cure for sandy vagina.
Guess what....
But they are inflating/printing in synch. Thereby exporting inflation to others.
from Sweden with a touch of insanity:
Love the Swedes. They're so cute and cuddly. When multiculturalism bites them in the ass, they've got a steep learning curve ahead of them. Actually more of a relearning of their old Viking traits. Socialism has totally destroyed the backbones of the Swedes.
Multiculturalism can’t be the problem – if it was then Canada would have these riots and that isn’t the case.
Their time table hasn't arrived yet. Patience. They still have Energy(ie money), Their time is coming in a couple of years same as US. 2015.75. As Martin Armstrong would note. Patience. Anarchy is coming for all of us.
"The Future Is Already Here, It's Just Not Evenly Distributed Yet."
Give it a little time. Canada will.
no, we've got people speaking to each other through translators and learning each other's languages, even putting up with the somewhat racist Quebecois and all colours of skin and heritage origins. It just isn't happening here.
Maybe winter helps keep people sane.
Maybe we just have an eye for knowing who's an asshole and not letting them in. Dunno.
If it was going to happen it would have by now.
it is kinda irrelevant to the bigger picture
The big picture being that the bankers want whitey turned into a minority in every country and eventually vanish them, no matter if it goes wrong (Sweden) or right (Canada) the same agenda will be pushed NO MATTER WHAT
We are dealing with bigots here. They care not about consequences but about vanquishing their antique enemy: Rome.
the bigger picture is that skin tone is an evolutionary adaptation to where in the world people lived 10,000 years ago and further back.
Acting like that's important for the future is absurd.
That’s why we must act sooner than later, starve the beast or evade it completely. Once it has the power, only overthrow can remove this lawlessness against civilization from Fascist or Feudal “government”.
Define the "WE" again, just to make sure 'we' are all on the same page.
Every living breathing person is "we"
Get creative and find ways to not participate in the fiat system.
Pay off debts.
Secure alternative hard assets.
Etc.
He's clinically brain dead I believe. Yes
Who are the good guys here? The Russians are on the side of the secular Arabs, Obama is on the side of the Islamic "convert or die" revolutionaries, Israel is on our side, i.e. the side of the Islamics... who hate the Jews even more than they hate Christians...
What a giant clusterfuck.
Mind-boggling....MIC has a fuckin hard on right now.
Who was this "our side" you speak of??? Pretty sure I'd tell them all to go fuck themselves.
Old hatreds being used to make new money. I have "no side" in this.
The real "our side" wants nothing to do with this shit.
Fuck em all.
Nuke the whole area, Israel included and let God sort them out.
/I kid, just nuke Dimona, spreading radioactivity all over, turning the whole contested area toxic for the next few million years = problem solved.
Well that's one solution to the holy land problem.
Ideally there'd be a more peaceful one, but people don't seem to fucking learn.
Make Jerusalem the world nuclear waste dumping place... that way nobody will be able to go there ever again... that means they won't be able to fight over it... and the 2000 years old bullshit fight will be over.
Well, wouldn't that collapse a lot of business models? Not just for the CB's and the MIC, but three religions would go belly up, when no 'Messiah' beams down.
"None to beam down." /s
Vlad figures if Syria goes then its Iran and his sphere of influence is greatly reduced-he's drawing a line in the sand in Syria.
If Syria goes, the pipeline goes through, meaning Russia loses a shitload of money meaning revolt in Russia meaning Vlad is the next Assad.
The Russians see Putin as a strong-man interested in the good of Russia(as opposed to O w/ the US) which is what they like- but the $ angle is correct.
I know Russians love Putin... but that doesn't mean with a touch of CIA funded agitators and a bad economy they couldn't turn the people against Putin...
It's hard to secure a pipeline.
Lots of things can happen to a pipeline in a perpetual warzone.
But I'm sure this angle has been considered.
They've been agitating for 10 years. Exactly when are the Russians supposted to turn on Putin?
You obviously don't get it. The Russians are NOT GOING TO BE FOOLED AGAIN (nor the Chinese for that matter).
And the Banksters don't care as long as they are still in charge.
maybe some ultra-zionists do hate some jews?:
theodore herzl father of zionism tells it all in is diary (in hebrew)
http://youtu.be/Z8SyO1IBwtE
Russia has the ultimate WMD.
It's their fingers. They can reach out and twist the spigot slightly and 10.5 million barrels/day becomes 7 million barrels/day. That would drive crude price up 30% and they would get the same money.
The rest of the world would get 30% reduction in GDP.
Yes. Remember Ukraine? Cold Winter, Gas turned off?
POWER
There's good guys?
When did that become part of the rules?
This reminds of a conversation several of us were having in another thread. War will take care of the problem of very high youth unemployment in the EU and elsewhere. Its like a vortex of both evil and stupid is spinning over Syria and all we can do is watch with horror.
Young vs Old
Divide and Conquer. Convince the old the young are the problem. Convince the young the old are the problem.
I am almost certain Bernanke dropped this rumor to try to get treasuries bid.
That sounds moar like outrageous tin foil hat conspiracy stuff fonz...
:/
I think homeland securty has some of those S-300Ps to protect us for our freedumbz. I cannot wait until those fuckers are parked on street corners with newly minted citizens manning them for sacks of rice.
Quite the picture you paint.
You talking the 10 pounder bullshit bags or the real deal 50 pounders??? If the later, count me in!!! Do I get a bag for each time I press the big red button?
If you drive that beast, you get a 50 pounder per week, but if you start knocking of citiz....err.....combatants, you will be given a 10 pounder per KIA. They are still working out the payment of Spaghetti-Os.
Feces, say hello to Mrs. Fan.
Feces " Damn, I'd hit that!".
So it begins?
Russia is carrying on its tradition of telling the world to fuck off and selling whatever coldwar and post coldwar armaments it's got. This is all around the mulberry bush over and over again.
If Russia sends the 300Psm Israel will bomb them and nothing will come of it.
Russia is more interested in profiting from this conflict rather than engaging in tribal or political disputes, and like all Russians, they hate being bullied or told what to do.
So, your drinking buddies with Putin then I take it. Putin is Russia. Profit is one thing, payback is another.
The oligarchs are Russia. And the monopoly over Europe is working well. Why let a pipeline from US puppet Qatar ruin everything? Why should they get a cut of the action, ask the Ruskies.
I disagree on the oligarchs.
So you don't think they are Putin's power base? Explain.
Even in Medieval times, the King had to have the support of the Nobility.
Oligarchs don't put themselves in jail over "taxes". Putin's enemies have a nasty habit of turning up dead. Oligarchs may play ball, but it's not always by choice.
Vlad Tepes found a way around that. He invited his nobles with all of their families to a banquet, a time-honored ruse. They didn't know they were the entertainment. Those he didn't drag from the dinner table and impale he set on a forced march. He starved them to death while forcing them to build him a castle.
Vlad spent his entire childhood being bullied by the Boyars.
He also spent his entire childhood plotting the solution to his problem.
They taught him a most valuable lesson: Patience.
He taught their heirs a most valuable lesson: Treat power as carefully as you treat fire. For one day you may find yourself on the receiving end.
Too bad our oligarchs don't understand this lesson.
Ah, but he got his educational refinements from the Turks.
Under any circumstance, a pipeline from Qatar has to run through 1000+ miles of Saudi Arabia. Look at a fuckin' map, man!
[I didn't down-arrow you]
At some point Russia HAS to stand up. The US has been sniping away at its edges far too much for it to put up with this much longer. Sibel Edmonds suggests that Russia will make a deal that has the West laying off of Iran (sacrificing Syria for Iran); this is likely the ONLY thing that will appear to look like "nothing will come of it."
Israel is part of the bluff. NO WAY will IT engage in any big attack on its own, and I am just not seeing the US as unleashing any real military "solution" here without it becoming a huge blow-back on Israel.
But why trust the City of London and Wall St and Tel Aviv? Why believe that if you give them Syria they will let you keep Iran? Just playing devils advocate.
Yes, I'm agreement with you on that. I think that the security against this is to make it widely known that this was the deal: it would come out anyway. And should there be any violation then Russia could quite readily feel justified in retaliating. Keep in mind that any real direct attack on Iran would pull in Russia AND China- I'm not thinking anyone really wants to see this match in action.
Given that nature is deceptive and that humans are OF nature there is absolutely no certain guarantees of one holding one's end of a deal. Sigh, that's just the way it is...
You can't and should not trust them. They will continue to win on procedure.
If they get Syria now, the resulting pipeline will undermine Russia's biz model. Thus weakening them economically, and then the internal unrest starts. You know where this story is headed... it does not end well for Putin or the Bear.
If there is a deal, Syria will split up and Assad and the Russians will still be there on the coastal part.
There is historical precedent for Syria to be split up, and for Bashar al-Assad to have a separate, viable new country on the Western coast, including the Tarsus area with the Russian military base.
In 1920-1946 under French colonial rule, there was a separate 'Alawi State' in that region where Bashar al-Assad's religious group is dominant, with capital in Latakia.
A part of the area, Hatay, became independent and then joined Turkey in 1939.
So it seems possible that Assad taking the defensible region near the coast with the Russian base, while the Sunnis take the large eastern part of the country.
A refugee from Israel, Roi Tov - a convert to Christianity now living in Bolivia - writes about this. He thinks that in the long run the Alevi region, with its more secular, less Islamist style, could also become part of secular Turkey and protected under it.
http://www.roitov.com/articles/latakia.htm