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Jim Rogers: "Nobody Gets Out Of This Situation Until There’s A Crisis"

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The following is GoldMoney contributing author Felix Moreno's interview with famed investor Jim Rogers. We hope you enjoy it.

Félix Moreno: Please tell us about your new book, Street Smarts. What was your motivation for writing it?

Jim Rogers: To my surprise people tell me it’s my best book. I never would have expected this reaction. I’ve written a few books about specific things, but my publisher said, “look, you’ve never sort of pulled it together: how did you get from the backwoods of Alabama to Singapore” – among a few things. I had a few setbacks along the way, and a couple of successes. So I sat down to put it all together in the book, how it all worked and everything seemed to be worth it. Some people seem to enjoy it, to my delight.

FM: I enjoyed it – I especially liked the story about your start at the Quantum Fund and your trading days, before retiring at 37. I also enjoyed your book Hot Commodities, in which you talk a lot about the current bull market in commodities. You set up your commodity index fund in 1999?

JR: It started on August 1 1998. The first bull year was 1999.

FM: You always say in your interviews that you are not a very good market timer, but I beg to differ. I’d like to turn to gold: you are one of the few gold bulls who had actually been calling for a correction in the past few months, or at least saying that we were in a correction and that, even though you were very optimistic in the long term, we should expect lower prices now. You must feel vindicated now.

JR: Every once in a while I get it right. Even I get it right sometimes. Vindicated? I don’t take any great pleasure in it. I just talk about the way the world works. It’s reality. Unfortunately some people don’t like to see how the world works, but yes, I did happen to get it right this time.

FM: So what is your opinion on the current state of the gold bull market. You’ve said repeatedly that you expect it to go much higher this decade. How do you see it right now?

JR: Unfortunately from my point of view, and I own gold and haven’t sold any, we are in a long overdue and much needed correction. The anomaly was that gold had been up 12 years in a row. That’s not normal, typical action. It’s abnormal, which worries me and should worry all the gold bulls. It has now corrected for some 18 to 20 months now. I find that encouraging. I mean, I don’t know, because I’m not a very good market timer, but I do know that most corrections go on long enough to scare a lot of people and scare them out of their positions, and that’s what I would expect to happen.

I’ve had people write to me and say: “gold cannot go down 30%”, and I say: “turn on your computer. It’s there.” There are a lot of mystics that are still true believers. Until it scares a lot of people the correction is not over. I would certainly like the correction to be over this afternoon and see gold go to $2,000 or to $3,000, but that’s not reality.

FM: You are one of the few well-known investors who actually says when he is buying or selling something. Most are scared of giving away their secret formula. What percentage of your portfolio is in precious metals?

JR: First of all I won’t say, but second of all I don’t know. I don’t have a committee that I have to answer to, so I don’t have a clue. I do know that I own a fair amount of precious metals, I’ve been buying them for years and I never sold them.

FM: Are you more invested in gold or in silver?

JR: Value wise more in gold, because gold sells for many multiples of the price of silver. But maybe I own more ounces of silver. But so what? Gold is so much more valuable.

FM: You write that you concentrate very much on fundamentals. However you lump gold in with other commodities in several of your books. Do you analyse gold as a commodity or do you look at it as money?

JR: Everybody has their own view. Mine is that gold is not money until you can go into a shop and get someone to accept it as money. Gold, certainly in recent decades, is nothing more than a commodity. Yes at times it has been money in the past, but so has silver, so have seashells, so have cattle. A lot of things have been used as money. Silver has been money more than gold historically, and throughout the world there is a lot more silver around.

FM: But you have to admit that gold isn’t easily valued as other commodities are. After all inventories of gold and the stock-flow ratio are very different from soybeans, rice or oil. The amount of gold that is mined or produced or recycled each year is very small compared to the stock of gold sitting in bank vaults and central bank vaults. So it’s hard to value gold using supply and demand, or at least annual supply and demand like with other commodities.

JR: If you mean annual supply and demand by the amount mined and the amount consumed, yes. The amount mined and consumed is very low compared to the overall inventory of gold. All the gold ever mined is still somewhere and that is going to continue for the foreseeable future. From that point of view I guess it is harder to value – to figure out the price of gold – rather than wheat for instance.

FM: I have to ask: have you heard of Bitcoin? Do you own any?

JR: I’ve heard of Bitcoin, I’ve never taken the time to figure out how it works and what it is. I know it’s there.

FM: You talk a lot about the future of China. You mention that China is the only one of the BRICs that you see having a very bright future. In fact you say that the acronym is off by only three letters. But why China? What makes it better than, say India?

JR: Have you ever been to India? If you can only visit one country you should go there. It is the most exceptional country in the world from a tourist point of view. But from the point of view of doing business, it’s the worst bureaucracy in the world, and the infrastructure’s a nightmare. It’s a very extraordinary place to visit – the languages; the man-made and natural marvels; the food; the religions; the languages. It’s extraordinary, but not as a place to do business unless you are in with the right people. If you are in with the government – the right part of the government – yeah, you’ll make a lot of money. But otherwise be very careful.

FM: Would you like to comment on property rights in Singapore? As you might know GoldMoney has recently opened a vault there, because it’s one of the countries that respects property rights and gold will be safer from confiscation and high taxes there.

JR: Well, I live in Singapore. Singapore does respect property rights and it’s an efficient and, from my point of view, terrific place to live. Who knows what’s going to happen over the next 50 years, but at the moment it is one of the sounder places to have assets. Whether the new gold vault here will work, I don’t know. But I do know that Singapore is a sound place to have assets.

FM: You don’t expect some populist politician suddenly sticking a huge tax on it?

JR: I would not expect that to happen on Singapore. I would expect it to happen in other places, maybe in the US.

FM: In your book you call the US “The largest debtor in the history of the world”.

JR: That’s not an indictment, that’s a fact. If you consider it a negative fact, it’s an indictment. It happens to be a fact that it is the largest debtor nation in the history of the world. The debt is going through the roof, you know with all the shady rates. I do criticise it. I don’t like it. I’m an American citizen. I’m an American taxpayer, so I hate what’s happening with the debt situation in America. No nation in history has gotten itself into this situation and got out without a crisis. So I guess it is an indictment.

FM: I Do you expect the US politicians to do something about the debt? To balance the budget any time soon?

JR: No, not at all. Not either the present politicians or future politicians. The situation is so dire that it would be almost impossible to balance the budget and pay down the debt without an enormous amount of pain. Now suppose that somebody could win an election on that platform – well within six months or a year or two, he would either be assassinated or give up because the people would say “wait a minute, we didn’t know it was this much pain. This is not what we had in mind” and he would be thrown out and his policies reversed. No it’s not going to happen until there’s a crisis or a semi crisis. That’s the lesson of history. Nobody gets out of this situation until there’s a crisis.

FM: What would you say to those that see the current situation as perfectly sustainable, especially in reference to the money printing, quantitative easing, etc.

JR: I would suggest that they get out a couple of simple history books and see if there has even been a way out. For what it’s worth, there has not been and there won’t be. I suggest that they look it up. They don’t have to listen to people like me, look it up.

FM: Do you think that Bernanke and the Fed have an exit plan from QE and zero-rates?

JR: Mr Bernanke’s exit plan apparently is that he is going to leave his job. He doesn’t want to stick around for the hangover. He doesn’t want to be around for the consequences of what he’s doing. I don’t know if there’s an exit plan. If and when they stop it’s going to cause lots of ramifications in the market and lots of, perhaps even chaos, but certainly turmoil and upset. The only exit plan that he’s talked about is to let it all mature. That sounds wonderful, but it’s not very practical.

FM: It seems that the whole “let’s get out before it crashes” worked well for Alan Greenspan.

JR: Well, Alan Greenspan did get out before it collapsed, more or less, but if nothing else, history has figured out that he is a charlatan who didn’t know what he was doing in the first place.

FM: So you don’t think that they have an exit plan. Does that mean that you are in the inflation camp? Do you think that the crisis is going to come from high inflation like in the ‘70s and ‘80s, or are you in the deflation camp? That it will come through bankruptcies, banking collapses and debt defaults?

JR: Throughout history when you print staggering amounts of money, it has always led to inflation. Now, you can have an inflationary boom, an inflationary feel-good period, but usually the politicians just keep printing. No politician is going to run on a platform, or could get elected on a platform of “we are going to have pain”, so they are going to continue to print money. You know as Mr Bernanke is doing, the BoJ, the Bank of England, the ECB. They all say the same thing. They are all doing the same thing. So they are going to continue to print money. Eventually of course what always happens is that inflation gets higher and higher and then the bubble pops and you have deflation and harder times. But between here and there is a long way, because they are not going to stop printing money. That’s all they know how to do. It’s the wrong thing, but it’s all they know to do.

FM: Capitalism without bankruptcy is like Christianity without hell and you give examples of banking crises where there were no bailouts. What is your opinion on the bailouts?

JR: It’s not supposed to work that way. You are not supposed to take money away from the competent people and give it to the incompetent so that the incompetent can compete with the competent people with their own money. That’s not the way capitalism is supposed to work. That’s not the way morality is supposed to work. I know politicians don’t care about morality. It’s not going to work. You see what happened in Japan. Japan has had two lost decades. Their stock market is down by 70-75% from where it was 23 years ago. This system has never worked.

In the 1920s America had this problem and America balanced the budget and raised interest rates. I repeat: balanced the budget and raised interest rates. They had a terrible 18 months, but then they had the most exciting economic decade in American history. Scandinavia did the same thing in the early ‘90s. When the Japanese were refusing to let people fail, the Scandinavians let people fail. They had a terrible two or three years, but since then Scandinavia has been an extremely strong and exciting part of the world.

This way (the bailout way) doesn’t work, and there are no examples of something like this having ever worked. It’s not going to work this time either.

FM: Some argue that a current example are the eastern European countries: Estonia, Lithuania, etc, who made big cuts within one year of the crisis and are now growing faster than the rest of Europe.

JR: There’s no question. You can look at other places: Iceland, Ireland – you know, the places that did take some pain have certainly done better than the places that denied reality.

FM: From the Spanish perspective, it’s certainly not better to have a lost decade or two by trying to postpone all the big budget-balancing hard work.

JR: You can postpone it all you want, but the problems just mount. There is no country in Europe that’s going to have lower debt this year than last year, or lower debt the next year than this year. Every one of them will run up the debt, instead of decreasing the debt.

FM: Do you expect the Euro to lose the currency wars? Which will fall down the cliff first? The yen, the euro or the dollar?

JR: It depends on what standard of measure you are talking about. The Japanese claim that they are going to print “unlimited” amounts of money. That’s their word, not mine. Unlimited amounts of money. I would expect the yen to go the furthest the fastest. But America has also said “wait guys, we’ll print a lot of money too” – though they didn’t say “unlimited”. And the British said “we should do it”.

So I don’t really know. It’s a very good question, which one to own. I don’t own the yen, because “unlimited” is a pretty hefty amount of money. I grapple with this every day, which currencies to own. Believe it or not I was even contemplating putting money into the ruble – only because it seemed less flawed at the moment than these others.

FM: You seem to have had a change of heart recently regarding Russia.

JR: In recent months I have seen that Mr Putin and people in the Kremlin have changed their attitude. It will take a while for all this to sink in. They said for many years that they welcomed foreigners and capital, but they were lying. They shot you, they put you in jail, and they confiscated your wealth. But now Mr Putin seems to understand that he has to play by international rules, he cannot go on putting people in jail and taking their money. If he wants to play on the world stage he has to treat international capital, and domestic capital, in a proper way. You can ask me in 10 years if I got it right or not.

FM: The Russians are more friendly to depositors than the Cypriots – and perhaps many other jurisdictions as well.

JR: Well, what happened in Cyprus as you know is that most of the big depositors were foreigners. It’s always easy to take advantage of the foreigners. 125 years ago America threw the foreigners right, left and centre. Nearly all developing countries find a way to take advantage of foreigners. It’s not a particularly good comment on world society. Cyprus voters did lose money, but nothing like to the extent of the foreign folk.

FM: On the other hand there are a few countries that do welcome foreign money like Singapore or Hong Kong.

JR: It might just be an anomaly of history. We can look back in eight years and see if Singapore and Hong Kong are still welcoming. I suspect they might do, but unfortunately throughout history there have been countries that welcome money, but then they get fat and lazy and they become anti-foreigner and confiscate their money. I don’t think you can find any country in history that has consistently welcomed foreigner’s money for centuries. Yes, for a century or two or even three maybe. But nobody has a history of always welcoming foreign money.

FM: But it gives hope to see that Hong Kong and Singapore changed China. Perhaps another “lighthouse city”, another good example could change Europe, Latin America…

JR: As long as my lifetime and my kid’s lifetime – I guess that would be more than most people can expect.

FM: You have become very favourable towards competing currencies as a solution to the crisis of fiat money.

JR: That’s the only solution that has ever worked long term. Nothing has worked a long time – including gold, silver, seashells, cattle. Nothing has worked long term except that you choose your money.

FM: You write about how you opened a Swiss bank account in the ‘70s. Could you do so today?

JR: It’s getting more and more difficult for foreigners – for Americans I should say – to open bank accounts anywhere in the world, because of the problems with the US government. I’ve had places where I’ve had accounts for years who have called me to say “look we love you, but we have to get rid of all American accounts”. It probably is possible to open a Swiss bank account, but I don’t know, I haven’t had to do it in a long time. I still have my Swiss bank accounts, which are all reported by the way, but it is becoming a problem for Americans.

FM: FATCA and the growing amount of regulation is one reason why so many are looking to Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies in general.

JR: Yes, it’s becoming a huge problem for Americans, honest Americans at least.

FM: What would you tell American leaders and politicians?

JR: Resign.

FM: The same thing to Ben Bernanke?

JR: No, Bernanke I would tell him to close the Federal Reserve and then resign.

FM: So you wouldn’t want, for example, Jim Grant as Fed chairman?

JR: I know Jim and I like him, but he has some ideas I don’t think would work. He’s a wonderful goldbug and has been for many years and is convinced that the gold standard would solve America’s problems. You know, the gold standard didn’t work either in the long term. They found ways to get around it. Or they just abolished it. The gold standard has its own problems too. The only way to survive is to let people decide for themselves what they want to use as money. Someone can use gold, or we find enough people who want to use seashells, or whatever.

FM: So competing currencies and may the best money win?

JR: It’s the only solution that has worked throughout history. Every government imposed, every dictated from of money has always failed. Including the gold standard.

FM: Yes, although the gold standard does have a record of lasting hundreds of years on several occasions. But I agree, nothing lasts forever and it’s better to have something that can evolve, not imposed from the top down.

JR: I’m not sure I know a case where the gold standard has lasted hundreds of years, but if you say so, yes. Gold has certainly had recurring uses. Not necessarily the gold standard, but gold itself has had recurring uses many times in history. But as I said before, silver has been used more historically than gold around the world, and so have other things.

FM: In fact China has used silver for a very long time. A lot of Spanish silver dollars ended up in China when they were kicked out of the US.

JR: Yes the Chinese have a longer history of silver than they do of gold, but again, many places do. Jesus was sold for 30 pieces of silver, not 30 pieces of gold. Silver was the predominant currency back in those days, in that part of the world.

FM: China has also had a long history with paper money. If there’s one constant in the history of money it’s that paper money never seems to last more than 40 or 50 years before blowing up.

JR: Paper money doesn’t have a very glorious history, but again, nothing imposed by the government has a very long and glorious history.

FM: On that positive note, and hoping for many good things to come in this new century, I’d like to thank you for talking to GoldMoney, and hope that you will be back soon.

JR: I’m delighted. Thank you very much. Let’s do it again.

 


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Thu, 05/30/2013 - 22:50 | Link to Comment back2basics
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1st

Thu, 05/30/2013 - 23:05 | Link to Comment jomama
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this isn't fvcking yahoo!.

Thu, 05/30/2013 - 23:08 | Link to Comment HulkHogan
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Yeah, and he forgot to say bitchez.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 00:27 | Link to Comment TwoShortPlanks
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A crises you want, a crisis you'll have!

A contraction in the property market will give Central Planners a justifiable and defendable  ‘Green Light’ to devalue against Gold. They will stand on podiums around the world and repeat Draghi’s words , "[we will do] whatever it takes… no taboos… And believe me, it will be enough".

http://twoshortplanksunplugged.blogspot.com.au/

"A Piece you'll have" Mr Rogers! http://www.metacafe.com/watch/an-nkTeb7mmJhbJmm/the_chronicles_of_riddick_2004_fighting_back_and_capture/

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 01:58 | Link to Comment sitenine
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@TSP, Syria is looking pretty ripe to set off a crisis as well. RT reports that S-300s have been delivered, and that Israel says it "knows what to do."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1r_3Nf2jWPU

You know, I kind of wish we still had Clinton instead of Ass Clown Kerry as our Secretary of State - at least she would have had something clever to say..

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 06:07 | Link to Comment negative rates
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It should read  " if there is a crisis, no one gets out of here alive".

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 08:39 | Link to Comment Surly Bear
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I <3 Jim Rogers!

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 11:43 | Link to Comment A is A
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Haha! Best quote ever! Capitalism without bankruptcy is like Christianity without hell

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 08:07 | Link to Comment shovelhead
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I agree that Clinton as SS has truly mastered the art of the soundbite:

Screeching "What difference does it make?" while pounding her fists makes her ascend to the historic pantheon of diplomatic eloquence as Chamberlin's "Peace in our time" and Nikita's "We will bury you" and his shoe pounding.

She has secured her place in history.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 02:03 | Link to Comment iDealMeat
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+1..   Pole Position is a rite of passage on ZH...

 

I take solace in my days of dealing with the ole Math check for posting.. That was awesome.. Even when you were right,

 

you were wrong..

 

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 04:10 | Link to Comment Boeing Boy
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Obviously not a TF metals reader....no sense of humour either, must be American

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 09:30 | Link to Comment Common_Cents22
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He's the guy who camps out at best buy for 4 days to be the first to save a few bucks on useless gadgets on black friday.

Thu, 05/30/2013 - 23:09 | Link to Comment akak
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Insightful.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 00:04 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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write "bitchez" next time or "fuck bernanke" and everyone will love you long time. ;)

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 00:43 | Link to Comment williambanzai7
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But I  will be here to remind everyone...

 

BERNANKE 2019

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 00:45 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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1st to up arrow this!   Benitchez!

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 00:50 | Link to Comment flacon
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I just made that my facebook profile photo. 

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 03:22 | Link to Comment akak
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Q: Why do the homeless pee in their pants and scream at the pigeons in the park?

 

A: Tradition.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 04:37 | Link to Comment mt paul
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because they can..

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 01:35 | Link to Comment putaipan
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it's like bernake meets opie's brother ...... in real life.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 08:04 | Link to Comment jerry_theking_lawler
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wb7....one of  your best piece yet....keep it up.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 01:03 | Link to Comment Aeternus
Thu, 05/30/2013 - 23:04 | Link to Comment Hulk
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2nd !!!

WTF does Rogers know anyway ???

/s

Thu, 05/30/2013 - 23:18 | Link to Comment Harry Dong
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I give you a +...I don't think others saw your /sarc\

Also recommend:  Adventure Capitalist: The Ultimate Road Trip.  

(Wife seems to be the real deal too)

http://trekity.com/paige-parker/

Thu, 05/30/2013 - 23:29 | Link to Comment Hulk
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I started studying Rogers 25 years ago, before I started amateur trading. He's a great teacher...

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 00:41 | Link to Comment ILLILLILLI
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He's just a regular guy who speaks plainly...

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 00:51 | Link to Comment flacon
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Except regular guys don't seem to have common sense, but Rogers does. 

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 02:21 | Link to Comment HulkHogan
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And he's very short. Seen him in videos and he can't be more than 5'4".

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 04:21 | Link to Comment NOTfromSanFrancisco
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"RogersStyle!..."

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 07:37 | Link to Comment DanDaley
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Good book, and loved how he tells about how one day he realized that his boss, Soros, would "F" him over in a nano-second...which led to a parting of the ways.  He has some scruples.

Thu, 05/30/2013 - 23:57 | Link to Comment Spitzer
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I see the /s

But he seems to think that it is not normal for gold to go up for 12 years yet I guess he thinks its normal for US treasuries to go up for 33 years.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 00:02 | Link to Comment Hulk
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Rogers will be the first to admit that he is often wrong, and an awful market timer....

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 00:44 | Link to Comment Midas
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The best market timers are the insiders. (and/or congress)

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 06:08 | Link to Comment new game
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one elusive cocksucker...

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 03:14 | Link to Comment Bring the Gold
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I've already used this clip today but...

 

http://youtu.be/SjbPi00k_ME

 

Don't worry there will be a whole bunch of apologists, shills and folks with nary an adult sex organ between them who at any moment will rush in and denounce this as a spotlight grabbing woman with no credentials. Or that she has paranoid delusions or whatever. 

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 06:17 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Yeah, well if you search 'Hudes' you run into this firsthand...

~~~

http://israeltruthtimes.blogspot.com/2013/05/amazing-interviews-of-karen...

What's that? Like a cheesepope version of 'stormfront'?

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 09:46 | Link to Comment IrritableBowels
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Before you give her too much credit, listen to her interview on Coast to Coast AM with John B. Wells.  Very telling and I'm not going to spend any time on her and her story. 

C2CAM

Rarely was gold mentioned. "Honest" money, nor fiat was ever discussed.  She made claims that she wanted to go BACK to the World Bank to "regulate" it and pretty much stated that the WB was a necessity to progress and success and the dollar COULD NOT FAIL.  I don't buy it at all.

Thu, 05/30/2013 - 23:07 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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I live 10 minutes from the water. seashells=hedging

Thu, 05/30/2013 - 23:20 | Link to Comment kito
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Fonz, last several years Rogers was screaming how he liked silver over gold.....that silver had more upside.....now it's gold......and notice how he threw in the phrase "semi crisis".....as if to say it won't get tat bad before things turn around or the u.s..........he's changing his tune..........

Thu, 05/30/2013 - 23:29 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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what i found funny was not the gold/silver difference but the seashell/competing currencies reference.

When it came to Jim Grant he was basically putting down a gold standard and stated that it had not been nor would be successful.

he is fine with me giving you spinach for a box of nails. I guess I am fine with that too.

Here is another thing. in 2011 he was saying 2012 we were screwed. in 2012 he said 2013 would be the year. Earlier this year he says it's 2014. He knows it's coming but he also knows it's worthless to forecast.

That is why i still like Schiff. He just screams "run for your fkin life!!!!!!!!!!" all day long.

simple.concise.efficient

Thu, 05/30/2013 - 23:56 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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I love what Jim Rogers says, but I'm starting to come around to the idea that he's an oligarch.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 00:57 | Link to Comment newengland
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Rogers and Soros are salesmen for the oligarchs; the paid help.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 01:46 | Link to Comment putaipan
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thought i better splain my reddy before i deliver it. i think rogers' independent last freeman standing lifestyle and position might look a little oligarchic, but there is a big differrence between that and sellin your brother man down the tubes for your own personal profit and the joy and accolades of your evil overseers. hence one red downy for each of you!

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 03:18 | Link to Comment Bring the Gold
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Good cop, bad cop?

I dunno he worked pretty closely with georgie pooh for quite awhile. I don't generally trust Billionaires on principle. It's pretty hard to get there without a little help (just take a look at the Russian Oligarchs) and a whole lot of ruthless.

Thu, 05/30/2013 - 23:07 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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"what's your opinion on running a gold mine? does it even interest you? why do you think it interests all those little people out there." obviously the USA stands out as VERY welcoming to foreign money. only under gold money and victory in World War II did the USA really have a "bought and paid for economy." i find it very interesting how welcoming foreign debt holders are to the USA since Nixon and all those "good Republicans" back then. not that the Democrats are any different now. "money is what you give me...bankruptcy is my gift to you." hmmmm. who are the revenue generators again? the Producers?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Producers_(1968_film)

Thu, 05/30/2013 - 23:11 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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On Bernanke: "He doesn’t want to be around for the consequences of what he’s doing."

So Bernanke plans to commit suicide within a year or two?

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 00:35 | Link to Comment Scarlett
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I'd open a bollinger

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 02:06 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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Why? They would only reappoint a new chairman.  I read Obama is looking to replace him with Janet Yellen before his 2nd term is over.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 02:54 | Link to Comment pomlad5
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I've heard Obama has enough assets to by Mars and Jupiter and to change the pathern Earth travels across Universe

Thu, 05/30/2013 - 23:17 | Link to Comment Muppet Pimp
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Laughing so hard right now...

 

Thu, 05/30/2013 - 23:19 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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Five to one, baby
One in five
No one here gets out alive, now
You get yours, baby
I'll get mine
Gonna make it, baby
If we try

The old get old
And the young get stronger
May take a week
And it may take longer
They got the guns
But we got the numbers
Gonna win, yeah
We're takin' over
Come on!

Thu, 05/30/2013 - 23:22 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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Jim's bow tie is on a little too tight-Swiss bank accounts ARE a problem for the small US fish that didn't get the memo that they were fucked and about to be sacrificed  to the IRS unless they got their $ out a few years ago- kind of like Cyprus.

Thu, 05/30/2013 - 23:26 | Link to Comment newengland
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The 3 Jims I respect:Sinclair, Turk, Rogers.

Rogers is a globalist tool, and no patriot of any land, but if you want to make money like a central bankster, he's your man.

Sinclair and Turk are cerebral, for those who like integrity with their money.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 00:36 | Link to Comment Scarlett
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you forgot Rickards, and Rogers just escaped the Titanic; can't hate him for that one.

Thu, 05/30/2013 - 23:30 | Link to Comment horot
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"Mr Bernanke’s exit plan apparently is that he is going to leave his job."

 

FM: The same thing to Ben Bernanke?

JR: No, Bernanke I would tell him to close the Federal Reserve and then resign.

 

 

Chalk one up for Jim Rogers. I guess 2014 is very interesting to see after all.

Thu, 05/30/2013 - 23:35 | Link to Comment newengland
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Close the Federal Reserve and give the West to China might be Roger's real statement as he lives in the Far East, a globalist, a nomad, no friend to any nation, least of all the country of his birth.

Do remember that he was partnered with Soros, the arch globalist who funds the Democratic Party, chose O'bomba, and seeks a new world order based on central bank rule, assisted by their pretty appointed pets in academia, and technocrats as freak Nazi Brezinski calls them.

Thu, 05/30/2013 - 23:41 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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He never renounced his citizenship- still giving his pound of flesh to Uncle Sam.

Thu, 05/30/2013 - 23:49 | Link to Comment newengland
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Still finding tax dodging ways while living abroad and slamming the country of his birth. Much like Microsoft, Google and Apple whose wage slaves in the Far East commit suicide, and are beaten down by their factory bosses when they complain about insufferable conditions, yet supply the West with gadgets, and their owners show no allegiance or tax to any land, yet interfere with the politics of every land.

Thu, 05/30/2013 - 23:55 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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Do you fucking blame him for trying to dodge paying taxes to the fucking thieves that run this country -I applaud the guy and wish I could do it too. The IRS is simply a legal thug racket. Fuck your holier-than-thou attitude.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 00:00 | Link to Comment newengland
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You seem to misunderstand capitalism and community. Foreign to the ways of the Constitution, are you? An arriveste, parvenuu perhaps?

This article is not about tax. It is about government. Discern the difference.

Rogers is an internationalist with no allegiance to any land, and his tax dodging ways are his affair, and something you admire, apparently. He pays nothing for the constant wars which gift him his ways, off the coffins of better men.

Yes, war. That is what this is all about.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 00:03 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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Do you or do you not admit that taxation via the govt is simply the theft of other's labors with the threat of imprisonment and violence to back it up? Also-I'm not sure if "better men" are now dying for banker's wars.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 00:06 | Link to Comment newengland
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Ask my lawyer ;-)

You are a smart alec of no use to the Republic which gifts you this freedom of speech, and you are silly enough to give unconditional allegiance to banksters' pets like Rogers. Fool.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 00:09 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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At this point you can't discern the difference between taxation and the govt-individuals have ceased to exist and are now simply taxable units- if you are still unlucky enough to be in the US middle class. I need to pay a tax to be able to run my mouth off?

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 00:14 | Link to Comment newengland
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Your problem is not my problem. I live in the USA, happily and willing to support my people at home and abroad.

You rootless cosmopolitans will never admit how much you owe to those who make good places, good things, and you have the bare faced cheek to whine about your tax, your losses, your ridiculous vanity.

Central banks are going bust. Rogers is going bust with China, and the Far East. 

When your money is gone, and you have no genuine community, your sort start wars. Freaks.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 00:16 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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What kind of republic jails men for 20 years for tax evasion while a violent rape gets a person 7 years? Also- my rootless ass has a 5 figure property tax bill due next week,.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 00:18 | Link to Comment newengland
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What kind of person ignores the violent world far worse than the USA and whines about his property tax?

Hmmm? 

Your problem. Not mine. 

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 00:39 | Link to Comment Scarlett
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Dear newengland, would you be so kind as to post your name and address please?

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 00:52 | Link to Comment newengland
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You first, 'scarlett'.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 00:21 | Link to Comment salvadordaly
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NE ummm,,, did you get to vote on a war???????

Just curious because no one announced that election in my town.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 00:35 | Link to Comment newengland
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Anyone who voted for Democrat or Republican did vote for more war. Try to deny it to salve your conscience, but you did.

McCain, this week consorting with terrorists in Syria, al-Qaeda.

O'bomba...too many terrorist pals to mention.

The red pill The blue pill. Both toxic to the Republic of the USA. 

You and your town did vote for fascists. Read the small print next time.

That's why Memorial Day was very painful for those who did read the small print, and you did not, apparently.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 15:50 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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A republic is of no use to the citizens - Rome was a republic and look what that got them.

Rogers stands against the Banksters and you treat him as their ally.

You're the useless one.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 15:49 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_aQbr6d_Js - IRS admits all taxes are voluntary, TWICE admits this under oath

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 09:34 | Link to Comment Common_Cents22
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and I'm sure you are a Patriot and take no deductions?   or give the Treasury a little extra for a job well done?

Thu, 05/30/2013 - 23:32 | Link to Comment adr
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If you're rich enough to have bank accounts all around the world and worry about what currency to trade in, you really don't have to give a shit about anything.

What about normal people forced to get paid in dollars?

Just say fuck it and live off SSDI until the system crashes?

Walk into a bank and hope they give you a loan for that hot Phoenix property?

Until the middle is stabilized, the future is a one way trip to the depths of hell.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 00:09 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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Keep voting and keep expecting change.

I think those people are called useless idiots.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 00:28 | Link to Comment newengland
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'useful idiots' (Lenin)

Thu, 05/30/2013 - 23:33 | Link to Comment ReactionToClose...
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FM: What would you tell American leaders and politicians?

JR: Resign.

..... it was worth the read just to get to that

Thu, 05/30/2013 - 23:43 | Link to Comment newengland
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To get a nomad telling you that he wants a government to resign when he bears no consequences for the outcome, and profits from ruining the USA, like his international financier man of no land Soros?

Silly fan.

I like Rogers for his blunt talk on failed career politicians and central banksters,  but I have no illusions about his selfish ways, and agenda: him first, everyone else last.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 01:54 | Link to Comment putaipan
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i was early in on the rogers/soros reddy/greenie thing. sorry. it's been a good long fight...you've got heart.

i'm givin' ya greenie above just to bring you outta the hole. keep punchin' dude.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 03:27 | Link to Comment Bring the Gold
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I don't agree with some of what you said to other posters about where they are coming from. 

I do wholeheartedly agree that Rogers is almost certainly a double-think globalist shill based on his associations and overall net worth. Hard to rub shoulders with that many Globalists and also be that rich without as you say, being a globalist nomad yourself.

Where you went wrong with the ZH crowd was around taxes. You could give the greatest speech of all time and then justify taxes and you would get the red arrow.

What you said about Rogers being almost certainly a Globalist is I'm afraid...dead on. I used to love Rogers, but after awhile I realized that sadly he seems to just be part of the controlled dialogue that rattles around the MSM.

Thu, 05/30/2013 - 23:35 | Link to Comment fiftybagger
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Love you Jim.  So here's my question.  Hot Commodities has a chapter on everything but silver.  Why is that Jimmy?

Hot Commodities

Silver For The People

Thu, 05/30/2013 - 23:43 | Link to Comment bvrulez
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"On Capitalism: "You are not supposed to take money away from the competent people and give it to the incompetent so that the incompetent can compete with the competent people with their own money. That’s not the way capitalism is supposed to work"

THATS EXACTLY HOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO WORK. because in capitalism the "imcompetent" people produce the wealth of the "competent" ones. if you didnt understand it yet you should propably read a bit of marx.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 00:14 | Link to Comment salvadordaly
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I could only give you one down tick. Sorry, would have like to givin you more! You see what they are doing is taking taxes from one and redistributing it to...... ahhhhh fuck it! you look it up asshole.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 08:22 | Link to Comment shovelhead
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I gave him the benefit of the doubt because he obviously has reading comprehension problems.

Thu, 05/30/2013 - 23:50 | Link to Comment CutOut
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HEART, we are still waiting for an explanation but you refuse to respond. Why ?

ZH readers are curious as to why HEART intentionally posts disinfo such as Boston bombing fake injuries / fake blood / crisis actors garbage which is 100% DISINFORMATION.

Have got screen caps so don't bother deleting your Boston posts.

......................................................

ZH is being targeted by FedGov spambots & human operatives saturating the comment sections with garbage and disinformation in addition to down voting certain posters.

They are not harmless trolls, they are professional operatives attempting to undermine and discredit ZH via multi nic sock puppets.

Attacking this post by constant down voting speaks for itself.
Case closed.

Thu, 05/30/2013 - 23:58 | Link to Comment akak
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CutOut, I have no damned idea what you are continually going on about here, as there is no ZH member or poster named "Heart".

Explain yourself, or shut the fuck up already.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 00:06 | Link to Comment Almost Solvent
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I think Cutout is a malfunctioning bot 

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 00:07 | Link to Comment IridiumRebel
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He is talking about "The Heart". He has posted this about 10 times that I have seen. Contribute meaningfully please. 

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 10:01 | Link to Comment Almost Solvent
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The Heart seems to actually be a person with different posts everytime.

 

Your posts are all cut and paste for the most part, very botish.

 

Also, if The Heart hasn't posted in a thread, no need for your cut and paste bullshit. 

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 00:16 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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i vote myself down...and up the people i hate...just for fun.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 08:25 | Link to Comment shovelhead
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Ahnold says up and down voting posts is for girliemens.

Thu, 05/30/2013 - 23:59 | Link to Comment kchrisc
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Delete

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 00:03 | Link to Comment toadold
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"Gold for the mistress, silver for the maid, copper for the craftsman cunning in his trade. Good! said the Barron sitting in his hall. But Iron, Cold Iron, is master of them all!"

Rudyard Kipling.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 00:09 | Link to Comment newengland
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Quite so.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 08:27 | Link to Comment shovelhead
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Hard to beat Kipling for clever pithy turns of the phrase.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 00:04 | Link to Comment IridiumRebel
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Trolling through Facebook, I saw this "suggested post".

https://www.facebook.com/rapiddebtsettlement?hc_location=stream 14K likes. I imagine their numbers will increase. Such a wonderful house of cards we reside in here today.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 07:23 | Link to Comment ricky663
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"Mine is that gold is not money until you can go into a shop and get someone to accept it as money."

In Thailand, and other parts of Asia, there are LOTS of gold shops, which allow you to buy physical and easily convert to cash later. But they only deal in the "good stuff" ... 23 carat / 96.5% pure, and almost all pieces have a "chop" or symbol imprint to verify the authenticity (and shop from where the piece originated) . They are open weekdays, and some on weekends also. The price is fair based upon the daily trade price, and they make an ~2% commission on the sales price, coming an going, in addition to a slightly lower "buy" price (same as in currency exchange)

This gold can be used in regular commerce as well. People trade it, make loans on it, use it as collateral, etc. The rich hold large gold bars instead of large amounts of Fiat.

Depending upon where in the world you are located, gold is real money RIGHT NOW.

 

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 08:47 | Link to Comment shovelhead
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The US states move to make gold and silver legal tender will gain momentum as people realize how dire coming events will be when the Dollar shenanigans begin to fail and the effects start to be felt.

This could make an interesting novel in the 'Red Dawn' vein where the invading armies are our own Feds when the tax revolts begin.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 00:19 | Link to Comment q99x2
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What does Roger's know? LUCK

Out of all investors with some money statistically a few will be at the right place at the right time. Once a substantial amount of money is gained then conservative common sense and crooked Federal Reserve central banking policy (FRAUD) guarantees success.

Basically he knows about as much as Chauncy Gardener in the movie Being There.

In life financial knowledge is not that important when compared to knowing how life works. What its all about dude. 

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 00:27 | Link to Comment newengland
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Fair point, sort of.

Rogers has the humility to admit he doesn't know timing, but knows themes.

However, that is somewhat disingenous given his links to Soros, the Rothschild agent.

Rogers appearing on ZH is interesting, but no free pass.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 03:31 | Link to Comment Bring the Gold
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Some folks REALLY like Rogers or you pissed them off above. 

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 02:04 | Link to Comment Ropingdown
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Financial knowledge (not financial propaganda) is understanding life, together with studying the actual behavior of people and the true values of good family and loyal friends.  Why do things cost what they do, and why are they changing the way they are?  Why does the US owe so much money, and what does it mean?  What is the result of the tremendous extent of consolidation in so many industries, and now in tech?  What happened to anti-trust laws and enforcement, and why?  There is money behind each of these stories, and certainly behind the careers of every politician.  It isn't the story you get to read.  You have to go looking for it.  Just my opinion.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 00:47 | Link to Comment newengland
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'Never let a crisis go to waste,' says this Administration.

Operation Gladio in Europe showed how globalists use a crisis to kill women and children, and get more power for the State, for the corporatists, the big banks.

Operation Northwood in the USA shows what this could have meant for mainland USA if it wasn't stopped.

Operation Paperclip shows that Nazis were deliberately brought to the USA by international financiers at home and abroad in order to pursue their freak idea of a new world order, ruled by banks, assisted by pet politicians and chosen academics.

Rogers is interesting when he criticises failed policies, but always remember that he is a nomad, a globalist who has no allegiance to any land; a typical robber baron.

Only this time, he and his sort are afraid that their unregulated otc derivatives which blew up the world financial system in 2008 might land on them, and they do so desperately want someone to bail them out, again.

Cheap labor in his Far East bails them out, just as Britain's 'Labour Party' under Bliar allowed uncontrolled immigration to drive down British wages and smite their political rivals, according to well publicised remarks by Labour apparatchiks.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 01:03 | Link to Comment newengland
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Rogers has no allegiance to any land. He is self-serving, and will make more money by herding others than the cute kittens and puppies in his thrall will ever do.

If he was genuinely interested in the profit and welfare  of the USA, then he would live in the USA, not Singapore.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 01:49 | Link to Comment Monedas
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You are a pretty sick puppy .... in the clinical sense .... you live in your alternative world of fantasy .... that's a pretty scary existence .... find a healthy personna like Rush, Beck or even me .... and start absorbing .... I recommend Rush .... he is the most intelligent, complete, well grounded personna out there .... just shut up .... forget yourself for a moment .... and absorb the life wisdom of a truly great human being !

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 01:57 | Link to Comment Ropingdown
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I think Rogers was interested in the welfare of the US until he realized that the wealth of the nation's producers was being wasted at such a high level on weapons and on welfare, giveaways to cronies, and so forth, that he couldn't take it anymore.  The military is a business.  Politics is a business.  But when they need people to die overseas, suddenly everything is about patriotism.  I've never known a smart person to believe that or act on it....past the age of 19.  Through every war businesses (both the vital ones and the politically connected ones) made large profits.  (WWI in the US is a scandalous example.)  But soldiers? They came home with lost years and no profession, no business, no stock in trade.  Other than WWII it is difficult to think of a war that received actual broad support for reasons other than stunt publicity.  Walmart used to scream how devoted it was to "buying American."  Sure.  Just until the Chinese factories were up and running. "What" ask the WM buyers "is the China price?  Can you beat it?"  Don't fault Rogers for noticing what was really happening while America was watch Dallas, Knot's Landing, or American Idol.  Admire him.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 05:23 | Link to Comment currencywar
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Exactly. You can scream to the rooftop what you see around you, it is easier to move to safer climes.

Rogers saw long ago how this movie was going to end--massive civil unrest and worse.  I saw him speak and one of his investment recommendations was to buy farmland.  It is chilling, but believable.  All you have to do is look around you, the "bull" market in the face of massive debt, unprecedented dependency on the government, you can almost imagine a colapse of such epic proportions that food supplies become disrupted. 

Singapore doesn't sound so bad.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:46 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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He's still an American tax-payer. If he didn't care about America he'd ditch that and pay no taxes there.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 01:27 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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Regarding Gold:

"FM: You don’t expect some populist politician suddenly sticking a huge tax on it?

JR: I would not expect that to happen on Singapore. I would expect it to happen in other places, maybe in the US."

Yeah, exactly, that is why it is my escape plan, 'mfuckers.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:46 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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Indeed. Looks stable economically & politically, friendly to investors & not friendly to free-loaders, relatively safe from the wind-flow and water-flow patterns carrying Fukushima radiation, near the rest of Asia's hot centers, not near any major war zone.

Good call indeed

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 01:43 | Link to Comment Monedas
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War is an artifact that moves evolution .... without wars .... we'd be monkeys .... and killing each other .... greed is good .... if you earn your stuff .... war is just what we do .... it's what all living things do .... the thing is to WIN WARS !

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 03:29 | Link to Comment FunkyOldGeezer
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Maybe, just maybe, Capitalism is a barbaric relic? Maybe what we're currently going through is a revolution of the total human psyche?

To deny the pain and suffering of fellow human beings brought about by Capitalism, is to deny one's humanity?

Who knows?

Nice book plug, BTW. /sarc off

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 06:19 | Link to Comment Lebensphilosoph
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Maybe what we're currently going through is a revolution of the total human psyche?

What is that supposed to be and how does it work?

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 07:39 | Link to Comment MyBrothersKeeper
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Capitalism is its truest form is nothing more than people maximizing their God given talent. It doesn't lend itself to greed or power anymore than anything else if you are morally grounded and realize that all good comes from God.  If you choose to not share your gifts to better those around you and society as a whole than that is a moral failing.  I submit that capitalism has created the greatest standard of living in the world, created more cures for disease and medical advancement, resolved more human suffering etc etc.  That tells me that many have shared their wealth and gain with the rest of the world.  The poorest in America (crime non-withstanding) have a higher standard of living than most of the middle class around the world enjoyed throughout history. It is in the moral failing where the negative consequences have manifested.....and that is not unique to capitalism or any other economic system...as history has proven time and again as millions have been killed by the hands of their own leadership throughout history.

If you take Rogers comment on crony capitalism (Socialism etc) beyond money, a good example might be this:  You have a kid in school that excels in math and another kid that excels in music.  What Socialism wants to do is even it out by taking some of the math skill and giving it to the musically incline and vice versa.  The result is, instead of an A math and an A music student with talent that can be maximized, you have two C students with no remarkable qualities.  The problem is that doesn't help anyone in the long run......there is no incentive to cultivate your talent.  Another big problem with Socialism etc is it assumes the so called marginalized have no talent/gifts.  That is not true as all people have gifts and talents.  They are either undiscovered or unutilzed but there nonetheless. Some talents may make you more wealthy than others but maybe that is more of a curse than an advantage.....as we have seen time and again. We mistakedly heep praise on the successful vs encouraging them tyo stay grounded.  That is a moral failing. I submit we are all by nature capitalists and anyone who says they are not, I bet I can prove that they are with a few simple questions. As the quote goes:  "Capitalism is the worst form of economic system ever undertaken....except for all the others"

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 07:53 | Link to Comment Ghordius
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I thought the quote was "It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried", generally attributed to Churchill

though your adaptation has merits

re your example of the bright students: what Socialism generally does is to expect that both get the same salary, even if demand for the math genius is greater than demand for the music genius

one very interesting example was that the salary for medical doctors was the same as the one for factory workers, in the Soviet Union, even though the med had to study for many years to achieve his skill level

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 08:15 | Link to Comment MyBrothersKeeper
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The capitalism adaptation was from someone else other than me.....  I knew of Churchills comment.  That's very interesting about Soviet doctors and I guess reinforces the notion of eliminating incentive.

I don't think God cares about money and believe we all have enough talent to live a prosperous life.....some more than others perhaps but as the good book says....in the end...."those are first will be last and those who are last will be first"....so struggling more can have long term benefits.  It kills me to think so many believe that governments role is to control the economy and make everything "fair".  It never works...never has and never will.

thanks for the feedback

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 10:58 | Link to Comment shovelhead
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Good comment about capitalism maximizing talents. The subsequent rewards for those talents are (and should be) also determined by a market.

I will have a minor quibble about capitalism is inherently natural though. A great many of our problems stem from the fact that many people will not endure the sacrifice of consumerism to amass any capital and are at the mercy of those that would exploit this weakness by catering to those who will consume much more than they produce. They become the slaves to debt whose chains grow heavier over time.

Capitalism is learned and not natural. I learned these lessons early behind a lawn mower in hot summers while the ballgame down the road was in progress and in in the rain and snow delivering newspapers. The reward may had been the consumerists dream of that new Schwinn in the Western Auto window but it would also cut my delivery time by more than half and allow me to buy another route to service. Now I had enough profits to pay runners to take the papers from the road to put the papers on the porch and cut my time further to add another route.

I became a (minor) newspaper baron by buying routes and leasing them for a percentage of the profits to those who couldn't amass (or risk) capital to buy a route outright. A win/win proposition for both that only worked when an equitable arrangement was reached. I would then sell the route at a profit as my lessee accrued the capital to buy. I also understood that exploitative terms would cause failure and resentment so every deal had to be made fairly.

My big coup was renegotiating a 1 cent drop per paper in my cost from the vendor. Folding money for being a power to contend with rather than a single distributor. Still, a win/win deal because by that time I was moving enough papers to warrant my own stop from the vendor (but Mom wouldn't let a bunch of kids hang around raising hell while waiting for papers to come in and be counted out.)

Early lessons in credit were learned because my vendor was a variety store and 'newsies' had a line of credit backed by their weekly collections. Having a 'tab' was a huge status symbol to the busload of older kids who haunted the store when jr. high let out. Many kids abused this credit with wild spending sprees and turned over their entire earnings for the week to the store. They were a good source to buy a route for cheap because "delivering newspapers didn't pay shit".

Capitalism, in it's true form creates opportunity where there was none and raises living standards for all those who engage in it. Without Govt. labor laws or interference.

No school can teach these lessons, and kids today seem to have lost these venues for learning by not exploiting them to their advantage.

When was the last time you saw an eager 10 year old knocking on you door asking to mow your lawn or shovel your snow?

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 04:10 | Link to Comment jack stephan
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Did someone step on a duck?!?!!

Sorry I had to, this situation is so damn depressing, real joykill.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 04:15 | Link to Comment jack stephan
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And tell the chef this is some low grade dog food alright.?

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 04:37 | Link to Comment Peter Pan
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Jim is so quotable but he needs to read a bit of history and become acquainted with how ancient societies and the Byzantium used gold and silver coins for centuries before destroying themselves in the process of watering down the content of their coinage.

While nothing is perfect he indirectly concedes the value of precious metals by admitting to their constant accumulation and admitting that he never sells any.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 06:23 | Link to Comment Lebensphilosoph
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There's a lot more to the fall of Rome than a 'devaluation' of its coins.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 07:05 | Link to Comment Peter Pan
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That is true, particularly because the acquisition of an empire brought spoils, but the administration of an empire costs money and this is where the emperors started to "print" money by lessening the silver content of coins to the point where it was nothing more than a coating as opposed to an almost pure silver coin. But once again, I stress, that watering down coinage is to hide the fact that you are overspending on the wrong things.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 07:54 | Link to Comment Ghordius
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+1 for "overspending on the wrong things" - the opposite of economizing

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 11:20 | Link to Comment shovelhead
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Hell,

Even overspending on the right things is a recipe for disaster. It's just slower.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 06:05 | Link to Comment Moe Howard
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Hey, he does PMs just like me! Buy and never sell.

BTFD, bitchez!

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 06:45 | Link to Comment They trynna cat...
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He's right about the future of the US: with the coming dollar crisis, Obamacare, change in demographics from Anglo to third world, there are going to be neckbreaking tax hikes (fed, state, property, estate) and massive reduction in living standards for middle class and non-politically connected. In other words, it is not a place that anyone civilized will want to stick around.

The question is, where to go?

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 06:49 | Link to Comment Debugas
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Rogers forgets to mention that this crisis is WITHOUT AN END

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 07:15 | Link to Comment Racer
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The ChairSatan is like the Uk's Bliar and sold UK's gold at the lows Brown, who take credit for something they didn't do and now their party are blaming another for the things they caused

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 07:35 | Link to Comment criticalreason
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laws of capitalism have been trumped by more fundamental laws of the jungle. the strong take from the weak. btw thats the way it always was capitalism or no.

supp. Q.1

is goldmoney sell physical gold? do u pay the gold price or the price of gold?

supp. Q.2

whats to stop bitcoin going the same way as liberty reserve?

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 07:51 | Link to Comment proLiberty
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AFAIK, Swissquote Bank still accepts accounts of US Persons. http://www.swissquote.ch/sqweb/index.jsp?l=e (If you read the "Disclaimer" really carefully you will see it for what it really is.)

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 08:07 | Link to Comment cabtrom
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The Bernagger Beast eats every thing in its path. This 8 legged human centipede then shits out green pieces of paper that it distributes to the masses as a means of trade. Fearful that this beast will soon consume humans after its eaten everything of value the people begin to forge weapons of gold and silver to slay the beast. I have no idea how this story ends. Make that movie you treasonous Hollywood Fucktards!

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 08:32 | Link to Comment Hail Spode
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Agree with Rogers on the GOVERNMENT "Gold Standard" not working, because history shows that governments bound by such a standard always try to find ways to wiggle out of it....

"The issuer of money holds the money up as being a secure store of value.  But what happens when the government, as an issuer of money, violates this implied contract?  Government cannot be an impartial enforcer of a contract to which it is a party."- from "Localism, A Philosophy of Government."

 

The conclusion is that in America 2.0 the government should not have any power to issue money or make any thing a legal tender, whether by themselves or in conjunction with a " special " central bank.  Competition in money, without the guys holding the guns an entrant in said competition, is the only way to keep money honest.  Money is too powerful to be left in any one set of hands, in particular the government's.  

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 09:36 | Link to Comment Common_Cents22
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Any idea on Rogers' net worth?

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 10:24 | Link to Comment Aegelis
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I like this article, a nice dose of common sense and humility.

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