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South Korea Is Latest To Suspend US Wheat Imports In Aftermath Of Monsanto Rogue Wheat Discovery

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The global Monsanto genetically modified wheat scandal is getting worse.

As a reminder, recently news broke out that a rogue genetically modified strain of wheat developed by Monsanto, had been found in an Oregon field late last month. But while modified food has long been a diet staple, this particular breed was the first discovery of an unapproved strain, and what made things worse is the lack of any information how the rogue grain had escape from a field trial a decade ago. As Reuters reports, "even after weeks of investigation, experts are baffled as to how the seed survived for years after Monsanto had ceased all field tests of the product. It was found in a field growing a different type of wheat than Monsanto's strain, far from areas used for field tests, according to an Oregon State University wheat researcher who tested the strain."

The USDA was quick to deny any suggestion of public danger:

The USDA said the GM wheat found in Oregon posed no threat to human health, and also said there was no evidence that the grain had entered the commercial supply chain.

 

But the discovery threatens to stoke consumer outcry over the possible risk of cross-contaminating natural products with genetically altered foods, and may embolden critics who say U.S. regulation of GMO products is lax.

This is compounded by the still fresh memory of the glaring and repeated lies by the Japanese government in regards to the Fukushima explosion, making some wonder just how far the government is willing to go to cover up potential threats if the alternative is widespread panic.

It is all the more alarming because the wheat strain was thought to have been eliminated after test trials ended in 2005, as Monsanto abandoned efforts to secure regulatory approval due to worldwide opposition. While there have been more than 20 majors violations of U.S. regulations on handling or co-mingling biotechnology crops, none have ever involved wheat before.

Ironically, it was that master hypocrite Japan, which is now feeding its population rice grown in the Fukushima evacuation zone, that was first to halt US grain shipments,

[M]ajor buyer Japan canceled plans to buy U.S. wheat while the Europe Union said it would step up testing.

 

Some analysts feared a potentially damaging blow to the $8 billion wheat export business, recalling the more than yearlong disruption to corn sales following a similar discovery in 2000.

 

"Unless there's a quick resolution, this is not going to be good for the export market," said Art Liming, grain futures specialist with Citigroup.

And as the global concern about just what consumers are putting into their mouths spreads, South Korean millers were the latest to just announce a suspension of US wheat imports:

South Korean millers suspended imports of U.S. wheat on Friday and some Asian countries stepped up inspections after the discovery of an unapproved strain of genetically modified wheat in the United States, but stopped short of imposing import bans.

 

South Korea - which last year sourced roughly half of its total wheat imports of 5 million metric tons from the U.S. - has also raised quarantine measures on U.S. feed wheat, while Thailand put ports on alert.

As more countries follow South Korea's example, Asia may suddenly find itself with a major wheat shortage:

Asia imports more than 40 million metric tons of wheat annually, almost a third of the global trade of 140-150 million metric tons. The bulk of the region's supplies come from the U.S., the world's biggest exporter, and Australia, the No. 2 supplier.

 

But Australia will struggle to soak up extra demand as its supplies tighten in the wake of unsustainably brisk exports and growing demand from domestic livestock farmers.

 

"The bulk of grain suppliers (in Australia) are cancelling shipping slots and selling grain to domestic feed mills and feedlots," said Stefan Meyer, a manager for cash markets at brokerage INTL FCStone in Sydney.

 

Japan is not rushing to find alternative sources of wheat, however, with the county's flour milling industry body saying they have sufficient stocks for the short term.

 

"We haven't thought about alternatives to the grade or proposed candidates to the farm ministry (at this stage)," said Masaaki Kadota, executive director of the Flour Millers Association of Japan.

Perhaps just as well: what better way to avoid even more soaring food import costs than due to an embargo on foreign grain imports. It is unclear if the proposed alternative will be five-eyed fish caught off the Fukushima coast.

Another country even more reliant on the US for wheat is the Philippines:

An industry official in the Philippines, which buys about 4 million metric tons of wheat a year and relies mainly on U.S. supplies, said the country could turn to Canada if it decides not to import from the U.S.

Hopefully Monsanto's GMed strain didn't mysteriously cross the Canada border as well. Which it very well may have: as of now the source of the spread of the rogue wheat is completely unknown:

Bob Zemetra, the Oregon State researcher, said a local farmer contacted the university in late April after noticing that some wheat plants survived an application of herbicide that was being used to kill off unwanted plants in the fallow field.

 

Most plants died, but a few wheat plants unexpectedly emerged after the spraying. Researchers determined the wheat is a strain of Roundup-Ready tested by Monsanto in Oregon fields from 1999 to 2001.

 

GM crops tolerate certain pesticides, allowing farmers to improve weed control and increase yields.

 

Zemetra said Monsanto had been field-testing spring wheat, while the "volunteer" plants discovered in the eastern Oregon field were winter wheat. The two varieties pollinate at different times, making it unlikely for the GMO traits to have been carried into the field by wind.

 

"That's why it's a mystery," he said.

 

Farmers, wondering whether their wheat could unknowingly be genetically modified, have flooded farm bureaus with questions. They should not spray crops with Roundup to check whether they will survive, said Mike Flowers, extension cereals specialist for Oregon State University.

The final word is not surprising: keep calm and keep eating.

"The recommendation right now is to not panic," he said. "We really need
to let the investigators do their jobs and get more information before
people panic. We don't know if it's widespread. Right now, we know it's
in one field
."

There's that... And let's not forget the government is always there to help you.

But while the potential dangers are clear for all, one wonder: in a world in which millions of people eat the mystery meat contained in McNuggets, not to mention KFC, each and every day, isn't it a little too hypocritical to be worried about the genetic make up of a loaf of bread?

 

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Fri, 05/31/2013 - 13:27 | 3614086 chumbawamba
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They kill off the bees to prevent pollination, then flood the biosphere with their engineered and patented genetic garbage, taking over all known plant life.  Pretty soon, Monsanto has the keys to all vegetative growth planetwide.  You want a vegetable, a fruit, a bush, a lawn or a tree?  Ask Monsanto for permission.

I am Chumbawamba.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 13:29 | 3614096 chumbawamba
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Grape vines and olive trees don't require pollination to fruit.  In the Middle East, a staple of their diet is (surprise) grapes (and its leaves), and olives.  Makes you wonder...connect the dots.

I am Chumbawamba.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 13:30 | 3614106 john39
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the goal is nothing short of owning the human genome...  an all of nature with it.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 13:32 | 3614119 knukles
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Fuck Monsanto  ... as in arse pollinate

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 13:44 | 3614186 wombats
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This is good.  The whole world should stop all imports of any US produced food until the US outlaws use of any GMOs!

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 13:56 | 3614241 Jumbotron
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GMO version of "Silent Spring"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Spring

 

 

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:13 | 3614336 Kiss My Iceland...
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I actually bought an old copy of Carson's "Silent Spring" (paperpack) some time ago. The price on the cover was 75 cents. I asked the bookseller if it was still available at that price :)

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:22 | 3614397 Shitters_Full
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You should ask your bookseller if he/she can show you where to turn off the bold in your posts.  I'll give you a fine fiatski dollar for that.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:32 | 3614449 gmrpeabody
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"worse is the lack of any information how the rogue grain had escape from a field trial a decade ago."

They probably went underground...

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:44 | 3614522 Proofreder
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How does wild grain survive and spread ?

Birds, and mobile animals and vehicles.

And with a headstart from Insanto, the plant adapted

and evolved, like any other organism.

Probably spreads like a weed.

Mother Nature always bats last.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 15:10 | 3614631 Smiddywesson
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Well too bad it wasn't a virus modified to destroy all humanity so we can study such things, I'm told those beasties can't ever escape the lab.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 15:07 | 3614639 Miffed Microbio...
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When you hear the word "containment" you know it's time to panic. Super bugs were " contained " in CAFO fields and animals raised there were pronounced by the USDA as safe.We microbiologists were told MRSA was " contained" in nursing homes after we saw a dramatic incidence in patients residing there 20 years ago. Killer bees were " contained" in the lab. Containment is about as effective having a no pee area in a swimming pool. I guess these people never saw Jurassic Park.

Miffed;-)

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 15:28 | 3614730 tsx500
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(2006) the subprime crisis is 'contained' ....

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 15:28 | 3614732 Wannabee
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My wife is a RN, CCRN. Says that MRSA is some NASTY stuff.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 17:34 | 3615257 jerry_theking_lawler
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is it miffed, or milfed.... ;)

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 17:50 | 3615296 Louie the Dog
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Killer bees were " contained" in the lab. 

Huh? Killer bees came from a lab? 

I gotta stop reading the comments.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 18:04 | 3615337 Jumbotron
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"Killer bees were " contained" in the lab. 

Huh? Killer bees came from a lab? 

I gotta stop reading the comments"

 

The Africanized honey bees in the Western Hemisphere are of mixed descent from 26 Tanganyikan queen bees of A. m. scutellata, accidentally released by a replacement bee-keeper in 1957 near Rio Claro, São Paulo, in the southeast of Brazil, from hives operated by biologist Warwick E. Kerr, who had interbred honey bees from Europe and southern Africa. Hives containing these particular queens were noted to be especially defensive. Kerr was attempting to breed a strain of bees that would produce more honey and be better adapted to tropical conditions (i.e., more productive) than the European subspecies of honey bee used in South America and southern North America.

 

More Honey.....mean More Money, honey !!

Fucking utopian scientists and crapitalists just....can't...leave...well...enough...ALONE !!!!

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 19:05 | 3615500 thisandthat
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Speaking of bees, Europe is now infested with asian giant hornets, of nat geo fame - several hives have been destroyed in Portugal, this year.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 19:40 | 3615587 Jumbotron
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I saw a video of those things attacking a bee hive.  Amazing.  Some of those SOB's would just wait at the opening to the hive until a bee would come out and just snip its little head off.  Within minutes they had decimated an entire collection of hives.  Stunning.

I used to work for an entomologist in Mississippi during summer breaks in high school....late 70's-early 80's.  We would go out to various cotton plantations to check for what kind of pests were infesting the cotton during its life cycle and recommend what kind of poison, if any, to kill said pest.  I found in a crack in the soil the largest wasp/hornet thing I've ever seen...dead.  So I pick it up and carefully cupped it in my hand.  I had a reputation for always finding the first boll weevil of the season and all sorts of bugs this guy had never seen before.  So when he rolls up to pick me up out of this cotton field to go to the next one, I open my hand and ask..."What is this?"  I've never seen a guy (and he was 6'3" 280lbs) roll up a window so fast and turn white as a sheet.  I assured him it was dead and then he rolled down the window and told me it was a Cicada Killer.  Nasty creature.  Their stinger don't come out like bees when they stings and both the stinger and their jaws are strong enough to penetrate a cicada's exoskeleton....just like unzipping a tuna can.

I sprayed one I found building its nest at the base of a dead maple tree at my first house in the 90's.  Completely coated it with foam from a cannister that shot this shit 20' in distance.  I walked up to the mound of foam...and lo and behold...this thing crawled out....shook off the foam...groggily walked around for a minute....and then took off...flying away like a bullet.  This was an instant knock-down poison....and I lost him in the evening sky as he flew off.

I ran back to the house....LOL !!!!

Here's a look at this badass....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sphecius_speciosus

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 20:13 | 3615697 thisandthat
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Just about the same size, but you should be happy they weren't asian giant hornets, because those actually kill dozens each year, in Japan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_giant_hornet

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 19:34 | 3615574 kareninca
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I tried to give you an up-arrow, Jumbotron, but it didn't work.

Thank you for the links and the info.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 19:42 | 3615593 Jumbotron
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My pleasure.

As I said in a post above, I used to work for an entomologist long ago. Love insects...and am interested in the state of bees as my son is getting interested in starting his own hives.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 20:42 | 3615765 Room 101
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Current state of bees: dismal.  Colony losses 30% on the low end, 50% on the high end.  Lots of exotic pests and diseases during the last 20 years.  My advice: have lots of hives.  You're going to lose some. 

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 18:21 | 3615377 Parrotile
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Much of the early work on producing a "calmer" African / European cross was performed initially on a lab. scale., so your implication that the comment is not correct is not supported by available evidence. Later field trials were performed "in the field" but you should be aware that even "in the field" trials are regarded (correctly) as an "outdoor laboratory" environment.

For example - http://www.columbia.edu/itc/cerc/danoff-burg/invasion_bio/inv_spp_summ/Apis_mellifera_scutellata.htm, and http://cisr.ucr.edu/africanized_honey_bee.html

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 20:26 | 3615728 Miffed Microbio...
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Thanks Parrotile. Yes I was speaking in terms of general lab field trials. We consider field trials as " lab" trials because they are done under specific controlled conditions and protocols. I didn't mean to imply the bees escaped a laboratory. I should refrain from speaking in generalities to avoid confusion.

Miffed;-)

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 18:34 | 3615397 Parrotile
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Completely effective containment IS possible, but is expensive in terms of materials, equipment and staff training / selection (read - motivation!) I KNOW "good" containment works (if it didn't some of the organisms I was playing with (courtesy of the UK MOD) in the 1970's would have "VERY significantly reduced" the EU and maybe Global population if they had ever got into the wild!).

Containment failure is always due to personnel failure - we can design (and validate "on paper") good systems, but if the operators take short-cuts, the containment will eventually be breached. Happened with MRSA, VRE, happening with CRKP, happens every year in Australia with Norovirus - Nursing Home patients get it, then are admitted (always with another problem - not quite a misdiagnosis, but just enough off to not ring warning bells in ED), then it spreads throughout the Hospital unless we're VERY quick to notice and contain.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 20:35 | 3615749 Miffed Microbio...
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Absolutely Parrotile. It's ALWAYS the human element. This is why containment is ultimately futile. Our micro representative on our hospital infection control board is ready to throw in the towel. She succeeded convincing the physician staff to perform mandatory hand washing before each patient and internal monitoring has noted a great improvement. However they REFUSE to wash their hand again before they leave the room calling it unnecessary. So they are now bringing pathogens to the nursing station and charting on the computers and then going to the next patient. So if any nurse uses that computer they will be colonized by pathogens. We have lost the battle once again and idiocy rules the day.

Miffed;-)

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 17:43 | 3615280 prains
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Mother Nature always bats last.

 

she needs a bigger bat

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:47 | 3614526 negative rates
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Now I feel guilty throwin out my cans like that. The end is near when you see no polinating bees.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:45 | 3614530 Demonoid
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Absolutely, if you pay with three 1960 silver quarters.

The value of silver relative to the value of books (and a lot of other goods) has actually remained fairly constant.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:24 | 3614392 SamAdams
Fri, 05/31/2013 - 15:20 | 3614692 Lore
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That's interesting about the bee seizure. I used to know a beekeeper who warned about this stuff 25 years ago. He also warned of the need to save your seeds. The psychopaths want to alter and control EVERYTHING.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 16:14 | 3614975 Room 101
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The Illinois bee seizure story is bullshit.  His hives were seized because they were infected with American Foulbrood.  For the non-beekeepers out there, AFB is like bee anthrax.  Bar none, it is the most horrible disease you can get in a hive.  The cure: apply lighter fluid to the hive and strike a match.  Seriously.  It's bad stuff.   You have to kill the hive and burn the equipment to be rid of it. 

This guy was playing the martyr for all it was worth.

Beekeepers are some of the most skeptical folks you will find outside of ZH.  We have a siege mentality because we are under siege.  If you think for one moment that we wouldn't raise a shit-storm over a BS seizure, you're wrong.  This was a righteous seizure of diseased livestock that the owner wouldn't take care of.  

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 16:35 | 3615069 cro_maat
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Did you personally see his hives? Did you read the court transcripts? Because if you did you would know that the IL Ag enforcers destroyed the evidence before his trial.

Nice try though.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 17:03 | 3615154 Room 101
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I'm not from Illinois, so of course not.  However there are a lot of beekeepers who have good reps who know of the facts, are from the area and who are familiar.  You see we beekeepers have this this fancy thing called the internet and we do communicate.  A lot.  When this came up last year, a lot of reputable people checked it out and the consensus was it was bullshit.  The guy had AFB, he wouldn't do the right thing, he was warned, and the state in the end had to do the right thing for him. 

As for the evidence being destroyed, of course it was.  AFB is horrible stuff.  They way you deal with it is burning the hive. 

Sorry.  Not everything in life is an eeeeeevil  conspiracy. This wasn't. 

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 17:03 | 3615165 tango
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I guess what you are saying is that any belief or opinion is automatically true (Monsanto klling humans, bees, pushing poisonous GMF, etc) but a case in which scientific evidence was presented and examined is to be dismissed.  What in the world is happening to folks today?  Has there been a complete loss of critical thinking?   

It's a Catch-22.  If the belief is proven wrong (as in this case) then it must be all part of the conspiracy, evidence had to have destroyed, documents changed, shadowy people are sneaking and changing computer data at night, etc. Do folks actually think millions of folks are waiting for their orders from the Mother Ship before starting that day's nefarious activities?

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 19:31 | 3615567 Lost Word
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The Government : Once a Liar, Always a Liar, Until you give me Proof otherwise.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:37 | 3614475 Jumbotron
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"This is good.  The whole world should stop all imports of any US produced food until the US outlaws use of any GMOs!"

Better yet....try to find a list of industrial bread makers and other companies who buy GMO wheat for their bread and baked good stocks and boycott the shit out of those.  Call them out by name on the Web and every available blog.  Pass this list on to the media.

Make these guys squirm and stop buying from Monsanto and watch Monsanto start to squirm.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 07:17 | 3616271 BigInJapan
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If you do that, and push people to short Monsanto stock at the same time, well boy, then you're making progress.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:49 | 3614554 kito
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double fuck monsanto................................

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 18:44 | 3615291 Mine Is Bigger
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Sorry, but that's not enough.  When it comes to Monsanto, no punishment is severe enough!!!

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 20:45 | 3615771 Room 101
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Quadruple fuck them.  Lowlife bastards.  On the same rung as the squid or the morgue. 

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:51 | 3614557 The Gooch
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Fuck Monsanto.

In addition to all the cronies in D.C., Shannon Watts (founder of Million Moms For Gun Control) is also former Monsanto.

Director, Global Public and Corporate AffairsPublic Company; 10,001+ employees; MON; Biotechnology industry 2001– 2004 (3 years)Provided corporate communications strategy and support for Fortune 500 life sciences and agricultural company.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/shannontroughton

 

MOLON LABE

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:22 | 3614388 InTheLandOfTheBlind
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seems similar to lucifer's objective

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 18:38 | 3615411 Lord Koos
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This is a really big deal here in WA state, where wheat is a major export.  

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:15 | 3614256 Jumbotron
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"Grape vines and olive trees don't require pollination to fruit.  In the Middle East, a staple of their diet is (surprise) grapes (and its leaves), and olives.  Makes you wonder...connect the dots.

I am Chumbawamba."

 


The Book of Revelation......

Revelation Ch 6: verses 5-6..... 

When the Lamb broke the third seal, I heard the third living being say, "Come!" I looked up and saw a black horse, and its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand.  And I heard a voice from among the four living beings say, "A loaf of wheat bread or three loaves of barley will cost a day's pay. And don't waste the olive oil and wine."

 

Things that make you go....Hmmmmmm !?

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:25 | 3614412 SamAdams
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Concorde wine is Kosher ;-)

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 15:02 | 3614613 ParkAveFlasher
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Bananas don't require pollination either.  Bananas are also highly ranked amongst the world's most important crops.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 15:12 | 3614665 bobola
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"Go bananas while you still can. The world's most popular fruit and the fourth most important food crop of any sort is in deep trouble. Its genetic base, the wild bananas and traditional varieties cultivated in India, has collapsed."

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn9152-a-future-with-no-bananas.html

Yes, we will have no bananas.....

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 16:24 | 3614782 Jumbotron
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"Go bananas while you still can. The world's most popular fruit and the fourth most important food crop of any sort is in deep trouble. Its genetic base, the wild bananas and traditional varieties cultivated in India, has collapsed."

Our modern day banana is a GMO mutant (albeit by more traditional means of GM, cross pollination and traditional means of cloning) that taste like shit compared to the old world varities that don't have the "natural" shelf life and longetivity as the ones you bag up in the local supermarket. 

Even with this traditional way of GM, the outcome was still negative from a taste and nutrition standpoint....you just got better pest and disease resistance.

There are just some things that are best left in their native environment and should not be mass produced or genetically mucked around with just so every fucking person on the planet can buy one cheap just because they want it.

http://www.conservationmagazine.org/2008/09/the-sterile-banana/

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 17:23 | 3615223 tango
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What few fathom is that without science (GM foods, pesticides, fertilizers, longevity traits, toughening, etc) we would literally starve to death.  The incredible industry needed to feed seven billion mouths does/will not come from Ma and Pa's backyard garden.  Organic farmers have long swore that their food is tastier but comes with a price (no pun intended) - less volume.  In the case of bananas, those picked from a tree are tastier (like a peach).  But to feed the world we trade a lowering of taste for quantity. 

We (ZH posters) are writing from a Western perspective (educated, abundant food, choice).  Asians, Africans and South Americans sing quite a different tune.  Having casabas that actually contain nutrients is far more beneficial than banning GM foods on Western shelves or weaving conspiracy theories about folks wanting to wipe out the Earth's population.  

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 18:16 | 3615355 Jumbotron
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The incredible industry needed to feed seven billion mouths does/will not come from Ma and Pa's backyard garden."

Sigh....just stunning the amount of constipated thinking some utopians have.

How the hell do you think we got to 7 Billion people?

Because of better medicine and capitalism.  Which allows people to live in better shelters to protect them from nature and to recover from illnesses that would have killed them a lot sooner or better yet....not contract the illness in the first place.

But that meant the longer they lived the more they needed to eat for a longer period of time.  Then comes better fertility rates because medicine was saving babies and improved shelters kept them alive from nature.  So even more mouths to feed.

So comes along capitalism which says...HEY !! We have a MARKET....but we need to control it and to control NATURE.  So along comes natural cross breeding and fertilization techniques....later we do it within the individual genetic and DNA molecular nature, arranging and re-arranging bit by genetic bit....just like a god.

But we are not gods.  All roads to hell...however you describe or envision hell...are paved with good intentions...not to mention carcinogenic oil and genetically modified food.

This is no different.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 15:23 | 3614706 duo
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Grapes sure as hell do require pollination.  The grape vine in my garden flowers but only a few percent turn into grapes becuase this variety needs pollen from another vine.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 19:59 | 3615650 Lost Word
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By my interpretation, first emailed in a much more detailed form to news media in October 2001, but described much more briefly here and now,

Revelation chapter 6, already fulfilled, from William the Conqueror, 1066 AD, to 14th century famine and plague, and to 19th century.

Revelation chapter 8, already fulfilled, World War One.

Revelation chapter 9, already fulfilled, World War Two.

Revelation chapter 10, already fulfilled, US Space Shuttle Rocket launch.

Revelation chapter 11, already fulfilled, September 11, 2001.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 16:21 | 3615005 Motorboat
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Israel is cutting down all the 100 year old olive trees that have fed generations, and you can find the videos on youtube.  Israel has a lot in common with Monsanto.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 17:32 | 3615251 tango
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You win the award for Dumb Post of the Day.  Israel and indeed the Mideast has been chopping and planting olive trees for thousands of years so why is this news?  Oh, I know, a You Tube video (lol).  The only thing Israel has in common with Monsanto is that they are both spelled using the Roman alphabet.  If you ever read a book get one on the scientific origins of GM foods.  Originally it was for bug protection (to reduce pesticides), faster growth (more food), or longer maintenance (more food again).  

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 21:32 | 3615854 chumbawamba
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Go perm your curls, you statist ziodouche.

I am Chumbawamba

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 13:30 | 3614107 Kiss My Iceland...
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"The USDA said the GM wheat found in Oregon posed no threat to human health"

 

I have to say, I don't appreciate it when my government officials go out of their way to exonerate or indemnify criminal corporations, when they obviously have no idea what they're talking about.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 13:32 | 3614118 Never One Roach
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Why genetically engineered food is dangerous: New report by genetic engineers

 

 

http://earthopensource.org/index.php/news/60-why-genetically-engineered-...

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 13:36 | 3614133 Kiss My Iceland...
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BTW: Monsanto delenda est

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 13:40 | 3614156 Never One Roach
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sorry, I don't speak Russian.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 13:45 | 3614190 chumbawamba
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Dumbass: it's Canadian.

-Chumblez.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 13:59 | 3614209 Kiss My Iceland...
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google comes in handy in sticky cases like this :)

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:11 | 3614327 MsCreant
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I am shocked at the ignorance still. 

"We ought to destroy Monsanto" is pretty clear to me. 

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:39 | 3614494 SamAdams
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Ironic that we have homicidal domestic terrorists, yet not one can manage to target the true enemy.... There's something that make you go "hmmmm"...

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:40 | 3614495 chumbawamba
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MsC, certainly you know I was being serious?

-Chumblez.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 16:37 | 3615082 MsCreant
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I know the heart of Chumblez. <3

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:45 | 3614519 Sofa King Confused
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Monsanto is only the beginning. Syngenta, Pioneer, DuPont, Dow they all need to be destroyed.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:46 | 3614538 chumbawamba
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Like at the end of Fight Club, when all the skyscrapers toppled.

(Don't worry, I'm already on all sorts of lists.)

I am Chumbawamba.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 17:40 | 3615275 tango
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Right, that would make for a peaceful world.  And we could continue by destroying Google, Apple, Microsoft, all the oil companies and banks and everything except shopping malls and movie theaters.  Of course, we would be starving, unable to sit around nice and fat and type on ZH or opine about things we know nothing about but that's what makes it so fun. 

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 13:44 | 3614181 DollarMenu
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The USDA does not know shit.

The USDA says what Monsanto tells them to say.

No one knows what the GMO effects are long term,

because there has been no long term on which to base such an assessment.

The USDA is a collective of lying sacks of shit.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:17 | 3614353 fockewulf190
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The default option that has become all to common no matter the scandal:

“When it becomes serious, you have to lie.”

Thanks to Jean-Claude Junker for spilling the beans originally.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:23 | 3614399 RSloane
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There are so many politically appointed 'former' Monsanto employees in Obama's administration that there will be no legal reprocussions to Monsanto in the US. Hungary recently burnt down 1,000 acres of Monsanto farms and kicked them out of the country. That would never happen here. Ever.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 15:04 | 3614625 ToNYC
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Can't know since All Science is done by Big Expensive Machines (SBEM not STEM) that can only be funded by corporations and institutions dedicated to last week's pay remaining a universal constant for their personal equations.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 15:39 | 3614780 Ignorance is bliss
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Cancer, obesity, and Alzheimer's.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 18:58 | 3615480 WillyGroper
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Autism

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 21:05 | 3615813 Jumbotron
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Monsanto delenda est

Monsanto must be destroyed !!!

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 15:50 | 3614196 Jorgen
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"The USDA said the GM wheat found in Oregon posed no threat to human health"

Really? How about this:

How GMO foods alter organ function and pose a very real health threat to humans

Seeds Of Death - Full Movie

The World According to Monsanto

And for the kids:

GMO A Go Go! - English

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 13:51 | 3614220 caShOnlY
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They kill off the bees to prevent pollination, then flood the biosphere with their engineered and patented genetic garbage, taking over all known plant life.  Pretty soon, Monsanto has the keys to all vegetative growth planetwide.  You want a vegetable, a fruit, a bush, a lawn or a tree?  Ask Monsanto for permission.

  welcome to the new "AGRI-DOLLAR".

 

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 15:09 | 3614652 Urban Redneck
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Only 25% of the colonies in Switzerland didn't make it through the winter (which is an improvement) but the prevalence of CCD on both sides of the Atlantic with their different pesticide and GMO constraints makes the complexity of finding a solution apparent.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:04 | 3614275 galis
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where is the Rotchild angle in this story ?

 

fuckers

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:55 | 3614583 DollarMenu
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Google "Monsanto slave traders"

to see what there is available about this

collective of scum.

It fits right in with all that we are not allowed to say.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:03 | 3614276 jus_lite_reading
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FUCK MONSATAN!

I warned about MONSATAN back in the late 90's but nobody listened. The most evil corportaion on earth. 

And just to think, they touted their reason for existence as "feeding the world" when all they do is poison the world and lie. Vote with your wallets!

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 15:05 | 3614634 InTheLandOfTheBlind
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voting with your wallet doesnt help because if you are productive member of this society a vast number of people are voting with your wallet as well, thus negating any power you may have thought you had with your "personal" wallet

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 18:59 | 3615485 1C3-N1N3
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.

voting with your wallet doesnt help

I agree for the short-term, but for different reasons. In the absence of sales, Benny's Ctrl-P will cover the shortfall...

 

...until it doesn't. =]

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:57 | 3614508 williambanzai7
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MONSANTO

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 15:39 | 3614779 Son of Loki
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Japan Blocks Huge US Wheat Import After Genetically Modified Crop Discovery

 

 

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/japan-blocks-huge-us-wheat-import-2013-5#ixzz2UtuJfTrs
Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:49 | 3614555 Bangin7GramRocks
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How fucking dangerous must this mutation be if the bought and paid for government wouldn't even approve it? They approved the other poisons in a few months no questions asked. This shit must be really bad! Genie is out of the bottle now. BUY ORGANIC!

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 18:04 | 3615335 Mine Is Bigger
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The problem is once the gene is out, buying orgnic won't help.  That's why I realy hate Monsato and believe this abmonation must be destroyed.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:58 | 3614601 Meremortal
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This should affect food prices in a good way soon. I like it.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 23:30 | 3616052 kchrisc
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Note to self: "Going to need three, not two guillotines. One for the pols and crats, one for the banksters and now one for the GMO folks. Better get to HomeDepot tomorrow and get started."

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 00:56 | 3617714 Fire Angel
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What kind of jerk votes this down? Chumbawamba RULES. Check out his great post "We begin" regarding his take on The Matrix and what's happening all around us today under the "contributors" banner. Rock ON, brother! Fire Angel 

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 13:27 | 3614089 Dareconomics
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Countries target U.S. products to protect their own produces and obtain trading concessions. I am no fan of Monsanto, but there is no clear and present danger in eating this wheat in the short term.  Over the long term, we do not know yet.  

 

http://dareconomics.wordpress.com/2013/05/31/around-the-globe-05-31-2013/

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 13:32 | 3614112 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Look, we don't need to use any pesticides because anything that eats this wheat dies........thats good for the environment right? 

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 13:35 | 3614131 knukles
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You mean that it's OK "because anything that eats this wheat dies" like including people, right?
Right.

Fuck Monsanto and their Governmental Supporters

This whole thing is Fucking Around in God's Province and Man ain't God.
QED

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 13:43 | 3614175 chumbawamba
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There once was a company called Monsanto
That wanted to control what food we grow
They dared to play God
By modifying sod
Indeed, what you reap is what you sow.

I am Chumbawamba.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:22 | 3614390 Beam Me Up Scotty
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"You mean that it's OK "because anything that eats this wheat dies" like including people, right?
Right"

Thats exactly what I was infering Knuckles.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 15:14 | 3614672 debtor of last ...
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Hugh Grant: I'm doing Gods work.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 13:37 | 3614149 chumbawamba
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Maybe.  But it's GREAT for your digestive tract!

-Chumblez.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:05 | 3614289 Drachma
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What is most troubling about all this bioengineering is that your own gut bacteria, which you rely on for health, are susceptible to the genetic environment, and the more GMO one consumes, the greater the chance of transgenic alterations. Bacteria can uptake nucleic acids from their environment and assimilate the genetic material into their own genome. If that uptake consists of genes responsible for the production of a pesticide, such as used in the case of Monsanto's ungodly creations, then the potential is there for your own gut flora to become the equivalent of billions of tiny pesticide factories, producing 24/7. GMOs have the potential of producing proteins that have never existed in the ecosystem before. When you are exposed to metabolically foreign protein species, the list of side-effects is endless, and this includes allergies, asthmas and a whole mess of autoimmune diseases. GMOs literally can alter your DNA, most likely indirectly through the disruption of genetic regulation and expression, and also directly through chemical toxicity and mutagenicity. There may even be an effect on your yet-to-be conveived offspring, if the damage to chromosomes is in reproductive cells.

Food for thought.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:30 | 3614444 ParkAveFlasher
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I make my own yogurt.  The key is in the culture.  Not all "transplanted" cultures will make yogurt.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:39 | 3614492 americanspirit
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A brilliant observation Drachma! Allow me to extend your point a bit by noting that it's pretty well established that the bacteria in your gut communicate (chemically) with your brain, so the implications of the GMO-induced foreign proteins you describe are staggering. Many researchers are already quite certain that a large number of gut diseases are the result of disruption of the bacterial colonies by anti-biotics, and since there are over 500 kinds of bacteria living in the human gut the potential for disaster becomes exponential when you introduce something that can alter the DNA of more than a single species. For example, it would be on the level of the Black Plague if the Klebsiella bacteria in your lower gut ever acquired the ability to dominate the gut and move through the gut wall into the blood and lymphatic systems.

Thank you for making a monumentally significant contribution to this discussion!

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:44 | 3614523 chumbawamba
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So in other words, the Zombie Apocalypse is real.

I am Chumbawamba.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 15:19 | 3614689 Miffed Microbio...
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Absolutely spot on drachma and Americanspirit! +10000! 80% of human immunity is found in the colon. People are not aware of this. Research is showing the communication of bacteria in the gut is CRITICAL to health and we are just scratching the surface of this. Epigenetics is the future. Then you have someone like Angolina Jolie cut off healthy tissue to prevent cancer. Makes me want to bang my head on the wall.

Miffed;-)

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 17:11 | 3615192 americanspirit
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Hi Miffed Micro - thanks for your comment. Please correct me if I'm wrong on this but my memory regarding embryonic development ( from a long, long ago course in physiology) is that the brain and the gut tube evolve from the same mass of embryonic cells - prior to differentiation of course - and, again, if I'm not mistaken there is a layer of cells in the lining of the gut that are remarkably similar to brain cells. Though I'm not sure which type of brain cells. So perhaps it isn't too much of a stretch to assume that somehow nature means for our brain and our gut to "keep in touch".

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 19:22 | 3615544 WillyGroper
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According to Dr. Alesandro Junger, 90% of your seratonin is produced in the gut. 

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 00:18 | 3616103 Miffed Microbio...
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I seem to remember what you say is true but it has been a long time since Ive studied embryonic cell differentiation. A psychologist friend of mine has shown me an article involving research in the vagus nerve as a possible means how the intestinal tract and brain communicate. She explained it in layman's terms when one gets upset or stressed you get the sensation of " butterflies in the stomach". Much research in psychology is now focused on the vagus nerve and how stressful states can be damaging to the colon and therefore overall health. Sequencing the human genome has shown we are composed of primarily microbial DNA. It stands to reason that we have a very complex relationship with the trillions of bacteria that colonize our bodies. Since 1928 when Fleming noticed a strain of Penicilium inhibiting Staphlococci we've been at war with bacteria. They are now winning that war and soon my job will be superfluous because there are simply no more effective weapons in my arsenal. Instead of building more weapons we need to focus on how our own bodies monitor and inhibit the pathogen that are present. Research has shown in a healthy individual their colon is composed of 15% pathogens to 85% commensal or non pathogenic bacteria. In a sick individual it's the reverse. There have been studies showing these " good " bacteria actually work together to suppress the " bad". The systems they use to communicate are complex and a lot of interesting research is being done in that area. Only fear I have is Monsanto will succeed in wiping all of us out before the proof is established. The only thing one can do now is avoid GMO like the plague because that is what it ultimately is.

Miffed;-)

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 00:47 | 3616131 Anusocracy
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Interesting article about gut bacteria.

How The Immune System Peacefully Co-exists With 'Good' Bacteria

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/05/130522130951.htm

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 15:39 | 3614781 Drachma
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I must admit I have not studied the subject of chemical feedback mechanisms between host and their synergistic bacterial flora in any depth. But I have no doubt it is possible. Seeing the complexities of cellular communication between cells of the immune system for example always leaves one in awe of the whole system. Many who study the immune system will tell you it is an organism unto itself, with its communication networks rivaling that of the brain. As a side-note, one must keep in mind that all these biological systems we discuss, with their inherent requirement for complicated cascades of enzymatically catalyzed reactions, are irreducibly complex. That is, all parts of the system must be in place simultaneously for there to be any chance of success. Take for example the replication of DNA in the nucleus of your cells. There is an inherent and unavoidable chemical error rate in the placement of nucleotides by DNA polymerase during the copying process. This rate of error is unacceptable from a biological fitness sense. But our bodies have an ingenious solution. DNA replication involves 'proof-reading' proteins that will recognize errors and actually excise and correct them. Without all these enzymes in place from the beginning, the whole system fails from the start. The same can be said of any number of biochemical systems that add up to make up our tissues and organs. Truly amazing that anything should work at all. The word miracle does come to mind, or dare I say it, creator, but that's another debate for another time maybe. Cheers.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 14:39 | 3618505 Mentalic
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Thank you for all this information....Miffed, drachma and americanspirit !!! Like I have mentioned before, I am grateful to ZH and it's commenters for all that I have learnt in the past few years ....and more often than not, I look forward to the comments more than the article itself on ZH ... because of the varied background of the commenters posting on ZH....

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 16:46 | 3618717 Miffed Microbio...
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My pleasure Mentalic. I'm always in awe of the depth of knowledge in so many topics people have here. I came here first just to learn a different viewpoint on the global financial situation, being suspicious of the continual drivel shown by the MSM. I soon became amazed how many people were here from all walks of life and perspectives. I just had to join and be a part of it. I can definitely say my life has changed because of ZH and look forward to learning more every day. The fact my husband no longer considers me the only gold kook that walks the earth now is also priceless!

Miffed;-)

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 15:32 | 3614744 walküre
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One of the reasons for sudden spikes in new and abnormal cases of cancer are imbalances in our ph levels. The gut floor is out of balance as you say. Autoimmune disorders are on the rise and show in melanomas as well as asthma and skin rashes. In certain cases it manifests as Squamos Cell Carcinomas which are also on the rise and effecting otherwise healthy children and young adults leading healthy lifestyles.

GMO food causes cancers. 100% fact.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 15:45 | 3614792 Brindle702
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Something to back up what Drachma said:

Arpad Pusztai - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%81rp%C3%A1d_Pusztai

"his research showed feeding genetically modified potatoes to rats had negative effects on their stomach lining and immune system."

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 16:55 | 3615145 geno-econ
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Unlike seed selection, the traditional laboratory method of modifying seed genes is exposing seeds to gamma radiation and watch for mutations.  Some mutations are detrimental and some mutations are seemingly  beneficial.   Same sort of thing that is going on in Japan, but it is uncontrolled radiation disaster to human genes and animal life.  We are in unchartered waters spurred on by profits, and need to increase food supply.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 17:11 | 3615193 IrritableBowels
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I bought a two gallon crock and this book to fuel my infinite appetite for sauerkraut.  I may try the kimchi next month when the plantwide knuckledraggin mouthbreather relieves me of my post-a post involving a confined room, an adjustable thermostat, and twelve hours.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 17:59 | 3615321 Whoa Dammit
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Researchers in France have proven that Round-up ready GMO feed causes sheep and goats to reproduce Round-up in their gut bacteria. I imagine it does the same thing in people.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 19:38 | 3615578 WillyGroper
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A man working at a 90 yr old family owned seed company that closed here last year told me that his neighbor planted the franken corn then let his cows graze after spraying. He said nothing would grow any place they took a dump.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 13:45 | 3614157 JustObserving
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All the insects in the woods are dying.  I had 70,000 photos of butterflies and dragonflies by this date last year.  This year I have less than 100.  All insects seem to be dead.  There are no bees either.  Something is immensely wrong - have not seen a single Monarch butterfly this year - not to mention many other species are also completely missing. It feels like a neutron bomb for insects went off this year.

“If the bee disappeared off the face of the earth, man would only have four years left to live.”

Albert Einstein

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 13:46 | 3614192 tip e. canoe
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also have seen very little of the bees this spring so far.  flowers are late bloomin,  so that might be the reason why, but the clover should be covered with em by now.   strange...

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:05 | 3614229 JustObserving
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In every meadow, on a warm sunny day, I used to be able to see dozens of dragonflies glittering in the sun.  I can walk for an hour in the woods and not see a single one.  By my anecdotal evidence, insects are down by a factor of 100 to 1000 this year.  I keep telling myself it's due a late spring but I walked 90 minutes yesterday in the woods on a sunny warm day and saw not a single butterfly or dragonfly.  That is very surprising - I should have seen hundreds. I saw not a single bee.

 

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:25 | 3614403 HobbyFarmer
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nothing scientific on my end, but in my part of the world I agree with this.  dramatic reduction in bees and butterflies.  I haven't seen one bee yet this year.....

So far, I am chalking it up to a late (and chilly) spring. 

We will see.  cross-pollinating my fruit trees by hand wouldn't take long to drive me crazy.  1 out of 3 bites of food come from something pollinated by a bee, so we'd best solve this problem sooner rather than later.

EDIT: I am outside (weekdays) early morning and evenings (all day on weekends).  So, it's not as though I haven't been out and looking for the bees....

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:25 | 3614415 RobD
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Not happening in my neck of the woods(Northern Ca, Sierra Nevada), carpenter ants attacked as usual(lots of flying ones this year) and the meat bees(yellow jackets that take the meat right off your fork) are already showing up.  Mosquitos are just as hungry and abundant too.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 15:25 | 3614713 Smiddywesson
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We live underground, like worms, suffocating on our own stink and eating food produced from processed bugs.  But the meal worm pizza on Wednesday nights is good.

-The Army of the Twelve Monkeys

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 15:27 | 3614726 KnightTakesKing
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Now that you mention it I haven't seen any real flying insects this year either. I try to sit out on my deck and enjoy the outdoors and by this time of year there are way too many mosquitos and such that drive me indoors. I was thinking it was just related to the cooler spring we had on the east coast of the U.S.  Very interesting.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:17 | 3614363 MsCreant
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Do not dispair just yet, there were thousands of them in my back yard over a month ago. I have a lot of wild flowers and clover. I was bumping into them everywhere as I dug in the dirt to weed and plant. It was really neat, the sound of the buzzing harmony was almost deafening. It is oddly calming.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 15:28 | 3614728 Smiddywesson
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Lots of bees here in Mississippi.  The termites just swarmed and the back yard is full of bumble bees and carpenter bees. 

It's easy to dispair and look for anecdotes like a hurricane to prove your fears about climate change.  Don't repeat that mistake.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 23:34 | 3616059 tip e. canoe
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excellent point, yet don't forget that environmental obstacles many times have sporadic appearances at first.

will keep an open mind, though it's probably not harmful for everyone to keep an eye out for the bees' knees.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:17 | 3614365 Room 101
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I happen to be a beekeeper.  Losses in this area have been 30%-50% of hives this year.  Imagine raising milk cows and losing 30%-50% or more of your herd every year.  The price of milk would definitely be going up. 

Makes for very interesting beekeeping strategies like multiplying your hives as fast as possible to try to keep ahead of the losses.  Queens that used to last a few years are having to be replaced in a few months. And so on.  It's not economically viable at a certain point. Worse, fewer beekeepers are willing to rent their hives for pollination services.  Just too risky.  

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:27 | 3614423 Jorgen
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I happen to be a beekeeper.  Losses in this area have been 30%-50% of hives this year.

Polish Beekeepers Protest GMOs, American Beekeepers Join in Solidarity

 

 

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 15:26 | 3614720 Room 101
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Thanks for posting that. 

Yeah about the last thing your GMO producers are going to care about is what goes into the pollen of frankenfoods.  Bees eat fermented pollen; it's their protein foodsource.  Low variety/quality of pollen is one of the issues that is contributing to the wipe out of bees. 

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:37 | 3614480 ParkAveFlasher
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Room 101, do you have any insight to the high-nicotine pesticide that Bayer was contestably introducing to the market some years back?

I did a vision quest to the apiary of my favorite honey some years back, Aucker's Apiary in Pennsylvania, and the beekeeper was kind enough to show me around (after buying about $150 of honey) and tell me about his craft.  He was a pollinator for fruit farms across the country and the honey he did on the side.  He railed against this new pesticide but I've seen very little literature on it.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 15:41 | 3614769 Room 101
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What you're talking about are neonicotinoids, a newfangled family of pesticides that has been implicated in CCD (Colony Collapse Disorder).  Depending on your perspective it's a nuisance or a death knell for bees. The way neonicotinoids work are as a neurotoxin. In the U.S. there seems to be less concern than in other countries.  Neonics have been banned in some EU countries. 

Personal opinion is that it's not the worst thing that bees are facing but it sure as hell isn't helping. The number one problem that bees face in my view is so-called Free Trade.  With free trade comes all sorts of exotic pests and diseases.  And GMOs. And cheap imported honey. And all sorts of new pesticides needed to control the exotic pests and diseases. 

The varroa mite is what pretty much started the disaster in the 90's and I  think it's still the biggest problem.  A varroa mite is an exotic pest from asia and it acts like a tick.  Only from the bee's perspective, it's a tick about the size of a brick.  They also spread diseases and sap the strength of a colony.  And they also cause beekeepers to introduce all sorts of miticides (toxins) into their hives.  Miticides are a damned if you do, damned if you don't proposition. I personally choose to use them, but some commercial beekeepers and most hobbyists don't.

Edit: there is some research out there on neonics, but most of it is biased one way or the other. 

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 15:59 | 3614912 ziggy59
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Me too, as a hobby. Some of my surviving hives are really doing well this year so far, but the ones that died happened to do well last year too.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 22:26 | 3615941 Room 101
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Yeah, I'm a hobbyist as well.  In the new dictionary under "batshit crazy" it's defined as a commercial beekeeper.  Damn near impossible to make a decent living doing it. 

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 23:44 | 3616066 tip e. canoe
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well, that could be said of almost all productive trades these days.    but maybe it could be a useful cog in the overall multi-hobby hustle?   you gotta admit that bee pollen is worth its weight in gold for human health, so maybe think of it as a long-term call option with hefty premium?

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:24 | 3614404 walküre
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What do you mean by "70,000 photos ... by this date last year". are you talking about yourself taking 70,000 pictures? haven't seen butterflies in the Pac. NW either this Spring. Got some bees buzzing in one specific area and bush but that's about it. We should have allot more mosquitoes and May Flies by now especially with the warm snap we had in April. Now its cooler again but there are very few bugs in general. Flies in the barns are pretty much normal. The swallows population is up this year.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:53 | 3614455 JustObserving
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Yes, I took 190,000 myself last year.  I had this feeling we would kill them so I keep taking lots of photos - to document that they once existed If I am in the woods, I might as well take photos.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 17:21 | 3615219 IrritableBowels
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Your username does not do you justice.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 15:06 | 3614637 Bansters-in-my-...
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@justObserving

 No insects or very very few and no sunshine either,or very very little and what does get through the Engineered weather (S,A,G) AND (Solar Radiation Management) SRM  looks like cobwebs or smokey dusty looking shit hanging in the sky.

Chemtrails and HAARP are killing off lots of insects and plantlife.

I am just observing also and I get sprayed by jets daily that terrorize me and my skies.....

Makes me fucking puke.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stop Sratospheric Aerosol Engineering...!!!!!!

 

Thats the .Govs pretty name for terroizing and modifying your weather.......

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 15:41 | 3614787 walküre
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I've got hundreds of miles of clear views East from my land because I'm elevated and on slope. Get some jets that fly over head all the time. Not an expert in aeronautics by any stretch of the imagination but I'm seeing different types of streams from jets. Same type of aircraft, same speed and everything. Some of the exhaust seems to linger much much longer than others. No idea if they're spraying or whatever they're doing in the atmosphere. Planes are taking off about an hours drive from a big international airport and they presumably haven't reached cruising altitude just yet. Would love to hear from an expert or have one sit on my deck and just observe for himself.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 15:29 | 3614736 Coast Watcher
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Not just insects. The bird population in my neighborhood has plummeted in the last ten years. The mornings used to be full of birdsong this time of year as they staked out nesting sites and searched for mates. This morning I heard one -- ONE -- bird calling, and that was one more than I've heard in the last week.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 15:47 | 3614836 Ignorance is bliss
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I have not seen bees in my yard for 3 years, and I have tons of ornamental flowers. I mean no bees at all.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 18:18 | 3615370 JustObserving
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Yes, there are fewer birds too.  The main food of birds is insects.  As go the insects, so go the birds.  The woods are eerily silent these days.  Yesterday, I was observing a crow.  It was carefully eating every single blossom that had fallen from a tree.  Blossoms, unlike insects and fruit, are not very calorie dense and birds need lots of energy to fly.  So that could not have been its normal food. I looked up what crows eat and there was no mention of blossoms.  I think that is another indication that there are fewer insects this year.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 15:41 | 3614796 Son of Loki
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It is odd to me also. I don't even see house ants anymore. They used to bother me but now I think they are not too bad...a sign of life in some form....rather then empty, silent death.

 

Bumble bees? What are those? Haven't seen one a years.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 15:56 | 3614894 ziggy59
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Should see this., from last year
Cornstalks Everywhere But Nothing Else, Not Even A Bee
http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2012/11/29/166156242/cornstalks-everyw...

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 19:42 | 3615589 WillyGroper
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I've noticed the butterflies too. I used to watch them migrate in the early 90's. The fields were orange.  Gone. Hummingbirds in decline. I've seen 2 bees this year.

Einstein quote is false. 

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 13:36 | 3614136 BadKiTTy
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"there is no clear and present danger in eating this wheat in the short term" 

...and this is based on evidence from where exactly?

... and tobacco doesnt cause cancer as I remember the self interested corporates telling us.  

Tell you what, try thinking for yourself for a change! 

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 14:29 | 3614439 RobD
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Wheat is not our natural food even if not GMO. We have not evalved to eat it, hell what has? It even makes livestock sick, best to pass on it anyway.

Fri, 05/31/2013 - 16:11 | 3614960 New_Meat
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When I have bad but really hot chilli, my evalve works great the next morning.

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