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Guest Post: Central Bankers Still Don't Get It

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Submitted by Logan Albright via the Ludwig von Mises Institute of Canada,

In the wake of the financial collapse of 2007, central banks around the world run by Keynesian zealots religiously applied the formulas they had been taught would boost aggregate demand and rescue the economy from the brink of total catastrophe. Easy money, going under the euphemistic  moniker of “quantitative easing” was supposed to stimulate borrowing, spending and growth through the mechanism of historically low interest rates.

Predictably, this approach failed miserably, and more than five years later the United States is still struggling with the high unemployment and low growth of the worst recovery in history. While Canada has done somewhat better, in no small part due to its less aggressive monetary policy, there is still a long way to go towards genuine prosperity.  Now, finally, some policy makers are beginning to realize that a different approach is needed. This week, the head of the Canadian Central Bank, Mark Carney, announced that interest rates will slowly be allowed to rise from the current rate of 1% in the future. To call this a modest move would be an understatement, but the fact that, unlike in the United States, the Bank is beginning to move away from the policy of flooding the economy with money in a desperate effort to keep rates artificially low is at least encouraging.

Still, these kind of policy decisions largely miss the point of how the economy really works. While interest rates do need to rise, the fact that the central bank is setting them at all is the true problem that is almost never addressed. Despite the failures of easy money policies to cause a noticeable improvement in economic conditions, central banks maintain the fiction that they can engineer optimal outcomes if only they use just the right combination of policy tools, if only they print enough money, if only they get the interest rate just right.

Interest rates are supposed to function just as the price system does-as a way of coordinating the diverse activities of millions of people and providing that information to borrowers and lenders. When these signals are altered due to artificial tampering by a central bank, it prevents businesses and individuals from being able to make informed investment decisions and results in a misallocation of resources.

The boom and bust cycle commonly thought to be a natural and unavoidable consequence of capitalism is actually the direct result of these malinvestments and the correction process that follows. The pain that results from correction is actually good insofar as it realigns the signalling process with the actual behavior of participants in the economy. The actions taken by central banks to fight this correction only prolong the pain and prevent the economy from coming back into alignment as it should.

As long as central banks continue to meddle with the money supply, investments will not be made efficiently and the economy as a whole will suffer. Unfortunately, the political need to assure voters that the government is taking action in times of recession means that this is a trend unlikely to reverse any time soon. Hopefully the emergence of alternative currencies such as Bitcoin [or precious metals] will demonstrate the value of a fixed-quantity, non-inflationary money supply.


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Sat, 06/01/2013 - 19:16 | 3617187 razorthin
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While interest rates do need to rise, the fact that the central bank is setting them at all is the true problem that is almost never addressed.

I love you, man!

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 19:50 | 3617248 otto skorzeny
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These guys lose me at "bitcoin". At that point the whole article becomes moot.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:56 | 3617384 smlbizman
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usually its tips with me....

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 01:44 | 3617734 FreedomGuy
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Ditto"s, Razor. The fact that rates are set at all means they are not market signals.

Personally, I despise the extreme arrogance that even dares to believe they can run and manipulate an economy with billions of moving parts and decisions daily. My hope is that somewhere in the future we will give up the religious belief in government.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 08:08 | 3617935 rbg81
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One reason the Economy will not recover under the current Regime is that the mechanism for pricing $$ is broken.  When interest rates are at zero, it encourages people to either take all kinds of stupid risks or hoard their $$ (vs. practically giving it away).  Meanwhile real inflation continues unabated--especially food inflation.  This especially hurts people who saved all their life for a comfortable retirement:  inflation without the possibility of income on your savings.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 02:23 | 3619658 JeffB
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Right on,  rbg81

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 03:39 | 3617795 Kiwi Pete
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So when the economy is going gangbusters and inflation rears its ugly head how does the central bank control it? Or do they just let it run wild?

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 08:12 | 3617940 Doña K
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They freeze prices and create scarcity and black markets. You and I have to pay more but  the friends of .gov run the black markets

So no matter what, .gov pays the oligarchs.

What if we were all to agree to not pay any taxes? Those of you that have them deducted declare about 15 or so on your W4 and they deduct practically nothing.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 04:42 | 3617823 bank guy in Brussels
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Difference between USA and Europe on Central Banks

In America no protesters surround Federal Reserve headquarters in Washington, people stay at home

But a bunch of Americans go on blogs on the internet, and call Fed chief Ben Bernanke a 'Communist'

In Europe we have thousands of demonstrators assaulting the area of European Central Bank headquarters in Frankfurt, confronting riot police, blockading streets and denying access to the ECB and Deutsche Bank

While our demonstrators carry a big banner that says, 'Let's Choose Communism' !

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 06:12 | 3617855 negative rates
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That's because the price of video games are unaffordable and they have nothing else to do as they starve for food.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 13:51 | 3618417 noless
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You have no idea what happened during the last widespread protests in America.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 17:40 | 3618793 ILLILLILLI
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Here's a commercial for" teh Bens": 


Fucking media collaborators...

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 19:30 | 3617197 economics9698
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Duhhhh I think they get it 100 percent.

"We the elites have about 5 years to put enough cash into our funds to be able to outbid the peasants for assets when the SHTF."

October 2008...2009...2010...2011...2012...2013.

Any questions?

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 19:46 | 3617243 Nehweh Gahnin
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How does anyone, such as the author and those arguing that a let-em-burn approach should have been taken in '08, not understand at this point that it is all very intentional?  Everything is under control.  (Not for you serfs, though.  You are going to be right miserable soon.)

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 19:23 | 3617199 DaddyO
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Central Banks, The Road to Serfdom, bitchez...


Sat, 06/01/2013 - 19:25 | 3617200 l1b3rty
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Actually, if you take Keynesianism to its logical end, which is the destruction of civilization itself, the Keynesians might be onto something: at least then, we could rebuild...

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 19:49 | 3617246 Nehweh Gahnin
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+1 dude, even though you got the part about rebuilding wrong.  Ain't gonna happen.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 19:25 | 3617202 Dareconomics
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Essentially, intervention is preferable to not acting.  Allowing everything to crash in 2009 would have caused more damage, but we would be well on the path to sustainable growth by now.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 19:28 | 3617208 Divine Wind
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The Iceland way!



Sat, 06/01/2013 - 19:27 | 3617211 economics9698
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Yes sir you are correct.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 19:26 | 3617209 economics9698
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Yep, the crash in 2008 would have been epic but it would be over now and the economy would have real growth today.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 19:31 | 3617218 DaddyO
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Sorry guys, until the real problem of the Central Bank is addressed, the idea of allowing the crash and real healing taking place is sheer folly...


Sat, 06/01/2013 - 19:41 | 3617228 economics9698
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I guess was thinking of gold as money, my bad.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 19:57 | 3617260 LetThemEatRand
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So you are saying that taxpayer funded public universities should pay gold to taxpayer funded teachers such as yourself?

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 23:04 | 3617581 economics9698
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Gold is money, yes pay me in gold.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 19:55 | 3617256 otto skorzeny
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So would I be paying $8 a gallon if the world economy was humming along? Also-I missed the part where the US would be doing better since we would be shipping jobs overseas even faster than we are now.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:00 | 3617271 LetThemEatRand
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You're talking to a public servant paid by taxpayers (Economics9698).  Don't expect consistency from him.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 01:56 | 3617740 FreedomGuy
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Yes., Econ. The other important and overlooked item is that the lessons that would be learned are lost. When you remove consequences from actions you do not get any change in behaviors. Had there been a real crash, there would be things to see and learn. I also believe there would have been bankers and politicians hanging from lamp posts. These would be excellent lessons for surviving bankers and politicians. As of now, they are all still wealthy and getting reelected. Hence...the bailouts.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:05 | 3617279 Mentaliusanything
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Well this article might confirm what is happening but not talked about

Its called painting yourself into a corner then realising you need a Toilet call, real bad

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 01:04 | 3617719 Keynesian Mess
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"Yes, the answer is bigger and bigger bubbles!"  Another moronic Keynesian takes us down the same idiotic path.  You and Krugidiot need to die a sudden painful death!  What a putz!

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 12:50 | 3618284 shermacman
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Why would it have been worse?
The big banks would have collapsed and smaller mammals would have eaten their eggs.
As it should be.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 19:27 | 3617206 Loophole
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The govt forces us to use its fiat money and uses the Fed and fractional reserve banking to rob us blind in many different ways.

What possible reason is there to expect such a system to produce anything but destitution?

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 19:26 | 3617210 Skateboarder
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Oh central banks get it alright, it's the people who don't get it. YOU CAN'T HAVE INFINITE MONEY, BECAUSE THERE ARE NOT INFINITE RESOURCES.

Please tell me that's not too much to ask of a person to understand.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 19:38 | 3617215 Voltaire
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This was the big political battleground of the 19th century. Unfortunately Jackson, Lincoln, Garfield etc lost the battle and we are trapped in this system wich got institutionalized with the 1913 Federal reserve act. We need to revive that political battle because it trumps every other issue. We need to kick out the big international capital from money creation. Not just the central banks but the whole banking system as it works in tandem and is owned by the very same parasites. Do we want to be perpetual debt slaves? We buried democracy in 1913. Time to wake up, people! 

“I sincerely believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs.” - U.S. President Thomas Jefferson

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 23:39 | 3617627 economics9698
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Jackson won his battle and killed the Second Bank of the US.

Lincoln was a green backer, inflationist, fiat proponent.


Garfield was a true hard money guy.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 00:10 | 3617637 Pure Evil
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The myth of Lincoln as a proponent of hard money lives on.

"The myth of 'Lincoln money' is perhaps the most deceptive historical error of the Greenbackers. It ignores what Lincoln said and did."

"As economic historian Thomas DiLorenzo points out,

By 1860 Lincoln was the most prominent attorney/lobbyist the railroad industry had. He was so prominent that the New York financier Erastus Corning offered him the job of general counsel of the New York Central Railroad at a salary of $10,000 a year, an incredible sum at the time. Lincoln turned down the offer after agonizing over it."

"Lincoln did not "foil" the bankers. He made the big ones even richer by creating a more centralized banking system. And why not? He had been a rich lawyer for the Illinois Central Railroad. The Illinois Central funded its operations through the sale of bonds. The entire industry did. Anything that threatened the bankers threatened Lincoln's post-Presidential career."


Source: Historical Error #3: Abraham Lincoln Promoted Debt-Free Paper Money (the Greenbacks)

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 19:34 | 3617220 thinkahappythou...
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i cant wait for america to go bankrupt i mean that will be awesome you know with all the riots and people getting robbed for food and water yeah i cant wait. lol. Sounds like im listening to something off faux news.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 19:48 | 3617245 Poor Grogman
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But how can America go bankrupt when it has all those printing presses?

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 19:53 | 3617251 akak
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You expect the entire Western Hemisphere to go bankrupt?

Note: it is incorrect, and insulting to hundreds of millions of people from Mexico on southward, to refer to the United States of America as simply "America".  That would be like referring to Germany as "Europe".

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 19:36 | 3617225 decentralizedsc...
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"Meteorologists from all over the world are gathering in Geneva to impose more sunshine and warmer weather on Northern Europe to satisfy the demand for bananas and coconuts in Germany while bringing more snow to Hawaii for the millions of sports enthusiasts who'd like more South Pacific skiing. "

The very existence of "economic policy" should be a tip-off that something is fundamentally wrong with our understanding of economic modeling. In a truly free market, if such a lofty goal were to ever be achieved, GDP would be the *result* of billions of unique transactions between independent buyers and non-monopolistic sellers in an open marketplace , not a “policy goal” as we currently view it. Whenever banks or governments try to alter the outcome of economic activity, they inevitably fail to achieve the sustainable equilibrium of a theoretically free market because the natural tendencies of suppliers to meet the demand of consumers will always trump the attempts of mortal men to disrupt and distort the commerce necessary for societal specialization to exist.

Is the human tendency to trade goods and services any less influential to a society's economy than the tendency for hot air to rise is to a planet's weather? Like planetary weather, popular economies are influenced by various dynamic forces, most of which lie beyond the understanding or control of science (“Economics is not a Hard Science”(?)). Mankind can disrupt and distort the weather by burning rainforests, damming rivers, seeding clouds, or polluting the air; but such distortions are minor compared to the effect of sunspots, volcanoes, and meteorite strikes; but none of the above constitute “control”, and one certainly can't realistically “plan” an outcome. Only a fool (or government military/industrial contractor) would think of “planning” weather; yet self-serving bankers and politicians think they can plan and control the world-wide economy by imposing arbitrary restrictions here, inserting unnatural assets there, disrupting the flow of money, or otherwise thwarting the natural tendency of suppliers to trade with consumers. In either case the “Law of Unintended Consequences”, of which there are numerous examples, reveals the folly of tampering with forces beyond our understanding or control.

What you cannot control, you cannot plan. The Economy, which thanks to technology is now global, is simply too big to “manage”, as a whole. Rivers can be dammed and clouds can be seeded but these controls are only effective at a local level and “planning” would still depend on the presence of clouds and air. Likewise, local economies are manageable but would still depend on the presence of “natural” money. And what constitutes “natural” money? I think whatever is universally recognized as “money” is money. If it can be corrupted it won't be “money” because it won't be universally recognized as such, or accepted.

Remember that margarine commercial: “It's not nice to fool Mother Nature”? We know instinctively that this is true, and experience proves it.

Perhaps Economics is merely the book-keepers' account of civilization and as weather follows the laws of thermodynamics (and so forth), civilization follows the laws of supply and demand (and so forth). Meteorologists don't plan the weather; they can only predict and respond to it. Economists can't plan the economy; they can only predict and respond to it. Neither are very accurate.  

Governments can serve their economies by providing an adequate supply of stable currency to facilitate trade. Banks best serve the economy when they restrict their activities to *serving* the economy with loans and safe storage of savings. Any attempt, on either banks' or governments' part, to serve each other or themselves, is bound to corrupt the underlying (and relatively fragile) balance of forces on which millions of individual economic actors place their trust when conducting everyday trade.

It is that trust that makes people want to invest in a better future. Or not.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 19:43 | 3617236 Scisco
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Canada doing well? Wake me when we the long over due housing correction hits. When that happens, I but you a 1 ounce gold maple that the central bank will make the exact same policy response and the Fed. I remember the US economy doing very well until one of its central pillars, housing, collapsed. I don't think it is any different in Canada.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 19:46 | 3617240 ebworthen
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"... it prevents businesses and individuals from being able to make informed investment decisions and results in a misallocation of resources."


It's choices with no consequences, and consequences with no choices.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 19:46 | 3617241 Westcoastliberal
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Looks to me like they've painted us into a corner, because if interest rates rise then the debt service goes ballistic.

The main problem as I see it is guys like Bennie have no real-world experience and it's all theory to them-fact is small business drives the economy, not Wall St.  The market follows the economy.  We need to put this sucker in full reverse and undo all the damage that's been done over the past 30 years.  Sherman antitrust act, Glass Steagal, Mark to market, at least 10% down on home purchases and eliminate "mortage insurance" (the biggest rip-off of the 20th century).

And THAT'S just for starters!

Let me repeat myself once more-the problem is Bernanke & the rest actually think pumping the market will revive the economy.  And in other through the looking glass news, can Obama REALLY be considering Larry Summers for Bennie's job? POTUS must get some excellent reefer if it's true; maybe Larry is his connection!

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 19:59 | 3617254 LetThemEatRand
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"The boom and bust cycle commonly thought to be a natural and unavoidable consequence of capitalism is actually the direct result of these malinvestments and the correction process that follows."

For once I agree with much of what this author said in this article, except the quoted portion above.  Give me a fucking break.  Pure capitalism does not involve unicorns or rainbows.  There would still be cycles and malinvestments caused by monopolies, oligarchs, etc.    Miller is preaching that we should give the keys to the bankers and everything will be fine.  Bullshit.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:26 | 3617325 FreeMktFisherMN
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yeah, there still would be some periods of unwarranted 'exuberance' but they would be quickly quelled and exposed and those who bought in learn their lesson. Growth would be legitimate in terms of purchasing power going up, instead of having to be 'deflated' as is done now, let alone the fact that their 'deflator' is the CPI, which is a concocted product of the Burea of Lies and Statistics. A central bank just tries to stave off the pain to keep the sugar high going, but the crash is that much more epic and the in between is just mediocrity and artificial.

And by the way, among the few 'panics' in the 19th century, most of them I believe were caused by JP Morgan and the extreme elite banks, and I don't think they were 'un'-intended, as they were trying to fear the people into accepting the central bank they envisioned where they could facilitate usury and confiscation of wealth more easily. 

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 21:19 | 3617421 LetThemEatRand
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So you're admitting that a private bank scared the people into tyranny?  Say it ain't so.  But it will be different next time, right?

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 23:07 | 3617589 FreeMktFisherMN
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Well the Fed was formed on Jekyll Island kind of like NDAA was at midnight, so it wasn't exactly people aware of what was going on. I'm just saying that panics were smoothed out eventually and there was no force involved. Lenders had to pay the price, too, that's why there is a risk premium.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 23:20 | 3617607 FreeMktFisherMN
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Generally the panics were about surprise surprise too many banknotes issued and not backed by anything, even the other ones. The market kept things in check, though, and speculators could and would get in trouble if they were over-leveraged.

Gold is money and naturally its value would be known through the markets. It should not be arbitrarily decided by some bureaucrat. 


Sat, 06/01/2013 - 23:22 | 3617615 FreeMktFisherMN
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no doubt evil still can flourish if people don't defend against it, and unfortunately folks were not mindful evidently of the Founders' warnings about a central bank. 

I think what I'm referring to is an ethic of liberty. That is pretty much the one common thing people need to have in a free market. 

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 23:44 | 3617634 ebworthen
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The problem is the lack of rule-of-law and honest media.

Add to that bailouts and rescuing capitalists when they don't deserve it.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 19:55 | 3617255 Peter Pan
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The major problem with a collapse is two-fold.

First, all little investors will be destroyed.

Secondly, even though the system collapses the top 10% will still own and control well over 80% of the large companies as well as the banks.

Following such a collapse they would still control the financial infrastructure , mass media as well as continuing to have control over government even though they are in a damaged state.

Unless their actual stranglehold over the system is addressed no real change will take place.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:12 | 3617294 AussieLefty
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" ...rescue the economy from the brink of total catastrophe"

 They, that is your masters didn't do it to save the economy they did it to save the banks (and thoses there within. On a side note; also not you, which from a quick check of your policitcal leanings you wish you were under that tent too, how much do they pay you at Freedom Works? I can't see it as a traditional means of making a living as nothing is bought by anyone so where's the cash flow come from???).

"The boom and bust cycle commonly thought to be a natural and unavoidable consequence of capitalism is actually the direct result of these malinvestments and the correction process that follows"

What the!!! I think you've putting the horse before the cart and the hand on the carrot here. As much as you don't want to actually acknowlegde that credit creation by the banks is what causes the business cycle but sneak it in vailed in the next paragraph, none the less it's a bit hard to lump it all on the interest rates you'd think as stated in my first response the central banks are an extention of the banks and they're setting low interest rates to save their arses.

I can't bring myself to drink the cool-aid, better luck next time.




Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:26 | 3617299 chubbyjjfong
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The whole Japan, gubbmint debt and CB's printing to oblivion thing just confuses the shit out of me. What I don't understand is.. so what if BoJ, or the Fed, owns ALL of the gubbmint bonds. I say So What? because, they can print the money. They can still service the debt, even at 100% of national revenue, because they print the money. At such a point there obviously is no bond market as the CB's own them all so at that point the CB's and the Gubbmint are 1 and the same. I can't see how the US or Japan can default when they print their own money. They print, lend that money to the Gubbmint and then receive the same money back as interest repayments. Internal revenue matters little other than to control the masses it seems. The whole thing has become farcical insanity. I cannot get it.

What implications follow when there is no bond market? Does it matter?.. as the Gubbmint can manipulate anything and everything with printed money. Are we just relying on FAITH of the masses now. I don't see how the masses can lose faith when the parameters of the society in which they live are just too insane to even begin contemplating. We are at the stage where the masses KNOW they are being screwed, but have no idea HOW, or by WHO they are being screwed, and would rather remain screwed than trying get their heads around the WHY and the alternative. For me, faith has long gone but I am now questioning my sanity, nothing makes sense anymore. 




Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:59 | 3617388 TimmyM
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It is the currency market that imposes the ultimate discipline.
If there were no foriegn trade, they could pull it off with legal tender laws.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 07:54 | 3617915 Downtoolong
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Once we reach ZIRP for the entire yield curve the Fed will effectively just be printing money for the government to spend. The scheme breaks down when no one in the private sector wants or has a productive use for the money after that. That’s effectively what is happening now. Banks are building huge deposit reserves which they can’t find qualified borrowers to lend to in the real economy. So, it mostly ends up in the hands of wealthy people who only know how to gamble it in the financial markets and whatever government backed high yield schemes they can find. Meanwhile, the money supply gets diluted and everyone holding fixed dollar denominated investments suffers a real loss to pay for it all. It’s just one giant wealth transfer scheme really, roughly in scale with the size of QE.  It will end the minute the Fed stops stimulus printing. It can’t really go to infinity. Eventually all the existing dollar denominated wealth is extinguished and no one will accept the currency as payment for anything ala the “Continental” and “Confederate Dollar” to name a few examples.

For me it’s easiest to just realize this: When someone is printing money out of thin air and spending it with no intention of accepting it back for like goods and services (aka counterfeiting), then someone else is really paying for it. It really is just as simple as that in the long run.    

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 08:28 | 3617948 Doña K
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If one spends a few weeks in Zimbabwe, she/he would learn real fast what  happens when you print too much money.

So then can you imagine going to buy milk at your local piggly wiggly and the price goes up constantly but your salary stays the same? 

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 17:35 | 3618783 bombdog
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Exactly. There comes a point when confidence just evaporates and that is when it all goes Weimar. The crack-up boom is a confidence event that doesn't follow the models, it just happens. If the fed buys the bonds constantly then private entities will no longer have faith in bonds and by proxy they will have no faith in the money and will dump that too.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 17:52 | 3618810 ILLILLILLI
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Nice summary of the basic issues, Downtoolong.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:45 | 3617365 optimator
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I stopped reading at, "Central Bankers don't get it".  They don't 'get it', they take it, and that's the problem.  As the bankster families get bigger and bigger intermarrying they need more and more of those 40 room palaces to outdo each other.  It will end badly, for all of us.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:53 | 3617380 Peter Pan
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40 room palaces? You mean like the ones Causescu had in Rumania before he was executed summarily?

The reality is that just about everybody who could or coukdn't bought or built houses that went beyond needs.

Yes, we will all pay.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 21:45 | 3617468 WallowaMountainMan
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"Guest Post: Central Bankers Still Don't Get It"

man, if all those guys with all that money can't get it, what are the chances that poor little ol' me can get it?


Sat, 06/01/2013 - 22:02 | 3617490 KickIce
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No, you don't get it.  Central bankers are buying assets around the world with imaginary money and all is going to plan.  When debt tyranny fails I'm sure there's a plan to transition to full blown tyranny.  Why else would they pass legislation like the NDAA as well as arming FEMA and the IRS?

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 23:43 | 3617601 MagicMoney
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The first premise that is noted is that increased aggregate demand is a function of creation of money, and cheap money. This is incorrect. Totally false premise. A economy trades on goods, and services, not money. Money is a medium a exchange that allows trade to be more efficient. Demand is the function of supply. Original Saye's Law. If you have nothing to trade, whether labor, or a good, no exchange happens. There is welfare, which you can buy something for creating nothing, but that is also not economic growth either. To a Keynesian, and Neo-Klassical sure, but it's not the reality. Just as welfare doesn't lift society from welfare, neither does monetary welfare. Same premise, same conclusion.


The premise of easy money creating aggregate demand is false. It's not necessarily true at all. Neither would the Keynesian idea of giving homeless poeple, the poor, and middle class printed money improve the overall wealth of the economy. Establishment economics does not know where wealth really comes from. They believe in a a mythology, farce of ideological solutions that is applicably proven not to work, but they continue to believe it anyway. They are trying to force something that doesn't work in attempt to prove it does work. They will continue with it until they can seem to make it work the way "they want it." Who is testing who here?


No central planner knows the best interest rate. No one does individually, because the market consists of many individuals with different preferences that influences prices across the economy. It is foolish, and hubris to believe to know what the ideal interest rate is. Interest rates are a price like any other price in the economy, perhaps the most important, it gives information to best predict the best course of action as possible for future growth. Federal Reserve wants more debt fueled consumption, and reflated housing bubble, to them allocation of resources is not important, to them the more the better, no matter how unproductive it is. As Mises said, a economics is not about goods, and services, it's about human action. Establishment pseudo economics establishment obviously have the assumption that a economy is about having more houses, and more spending versus real economic growth of savings, and investments that creates enhanced consumption for the future, based on real time preferences.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 23:49 | 3617641 Mineral-Invest
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The fiat interest rate determination model is flawed at its core because. Debt holds a strangle hold on the "recovery".


Recovery from what? Recovery from a suicidal binge drinking when one realized that the current economic structure isnt feasable?


You cannot "recover" from the sledgehammer effect of truth. It will hit you hard til you get yours facts straight. Running away doesnt help.


2007-08 crisis shouldve ended in massive Deflation. Atleast that wouldve shaken the tree so hard that all the rotten apples wouldve fallen to the ground. Splash.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 07:15 | 3617900 Downtoolong
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Yea, a dead cat bounce is till a dead cat.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 07:19 | 3617903 Downtoolong
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No central planner knows the best interest rate.

I can hardly wait for the day when we wake up each morning and check the Fed’s latest schedule for the correct price of every stock in the Russell 2000. (Sarcasm key off).

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 23:55 | 3617648 MrBoompi
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An artificially reduced cost for borrowing and an artificially reduced reward for saving is the crux of the problem, and we can thank the central bank for fucking it all up.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 00:59 | 3617716 ILikeBoats
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Gold is about to go ballistic - they will have to raise interest rates to stop the people from going to gold.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 07:53 | 3617921 mogul rider
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It's offical

ZH is now the home to every unemployed Walmart greeter ever laid off.

What happened is this.

The Bernanke thesis worked and the unemployed Wall Streeters who hung out here are now working again. Now we are left with this.

Rabble posters

Ludvig Von Mises Institute of Canada? articles


Sun, 06/02/2013 - 18:17 | 3618858 ILLILLILLI
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You have your head so far up Bernanke's ass you can see Jack Lew's feet.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 14:58 | 3620970 Mark Urbo
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What a socialist Keynesian loving idiot you are !  Wow, breathtaking level of stupidity.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 08:23 | 3617946 GreatUncle
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In a nutshell sovereigns using Keynes monetary policy and chasing free trade led to a single global economy using Keynes inclusively. Ha ha fucking morons - can take the piss on that. Under such a singular economy you now have to inflate the total global interest payment on this debt annually forever and that is MASSIVE QE.

You built a WMD with keynes (the debt) and you just needed to add free trade (to arm the WMD).  

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 15:17 | 3618562 polo007
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The Bank for International Settlements says markets are rising mostly because of these efforts, because expansionary monetary policy lowers the discount rate at which future profits are valued.

The BIS points out that even as advanced economy stock market indexes have gained, commodity prices have fallen and emerging market stocks have not gained as much. That suggests monetary policy is giving these assets a boost that the economic data on their own might not warrant.

The “ride to normality” as the economy recovers will be “bumpy,” says Stephen Cecchetti, head of the monetary and economic department of the BIS.

While “volatility per se is not necessarily bad,” it does create risks, notably to the interest-sensitive assets on the balance sheets of banks, investors and others, Cecchetti said.

“With the outstanding volume of government bonds greater than ever, interest rate risk — expressed as potential losses in relation to GDP — is at a record high in most advanced economies. And these losses will be spread across banks, households and industrial firms,” he says.

Separately, the BIS found there was a sharp, $467 billion reduction in cross-border interbank lending between the third and the fourth quarter of 2012, amid concerns over European finances.

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