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Peak Gold

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We are rapidly approaching the end of cheap resources. The wealth of most Americans could get wiped out during the next decade due to commodity inflation. Focusing on your real purchasing power is critical. As this brief documentary discusses, what is it that makes gold so special? Merely a "tradition" as Bernanke would have us believe, or sound 'money'?



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Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:01 | 3617272 Spitzer
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Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:07 | 3617281 Pinto Currency
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Gold has integrity - that's what makes it special.

It can't be duplicated by crooks in high office.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:38 | 3617321 El Viejo
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But it can be ignored by the masses looking for something a little more utilitarian. Which makes it risky at high valuations just like everything else. It can also be manipulated and even outlawed. Fear that.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:46 | 3617370 Fish Gone Bad
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If anyone wants an investment of integrity, might I suggest turning off the TV, eating a diet low in sugars/high in fiber, getting some exercise and losing weight.  Investing in yourself actaully makes everyone a winner.


<Man that was sugary sweet. >


Sat, 06/01/2013 - 21:34 | 3617448 RideTheWalrus
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Hmmm, sounds good Fish but seems like a lot of work. Is there an ETF of this i can buy instead?

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 00:05 | 3617662 Troll Magnet
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A monster box of ASE and Maples at around $12.5k.

8 gold eagles or a monster box of silver? Hmm..Decisions, decisions...

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 00:15 | 3617674 Pinto Currency
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Gold has been ignored by the masses for decades yet is has gone up by 5x in value.

Not much to fear on that front.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 06:47 | 3617871 GetZeeGold
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All you ever hear CNBC talk about is gold.


It's gold that. I wish they would just shut up.


I keep my tradition in my sock drawer....where it belongs.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 08:56 | 3617958 Pinto Currency
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As Simon Hobbs says, 'At CNBC, we're all gold, all the time.'

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 12:24 | 3618236 Pegasus Muse
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Had he been truthful he would have said, "At CNBC, we're all Bullshit, all the time."

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 09:04 | 3617961 WhiteNight123129
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Gold is not money, it is a commodity. To become money it needs to be coined and accepted as a form of payment. Before that it is a commodity with monetary attributes (store of value and stable relationship with other commodities, which makes it crucial in a portfolio when we are commodity constrained) but technically it is not money if you can not pay with it. That does not mean you should not have it in your portfolio, but Gold is only money when minted and enters the payment system. In a commodity constrainted world or precarious world, Gold operates better than paper as a store of value. If you had printing on top of that, it should have a wonderful profile. But again technically, Gold is not money.... yet.


Sun, 06/02/2013 - 10:53 | 3618085 ultraticum
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"Gold is not money . . . . "


I'll take gold or silver over fiat any day for anything.  Problem is, most sheeple are brainwashed by legal tender laws, normalcy bias, and goobermint's monopoly on violence to enforce same. 


If I accept it for payment, gold is money - regardless of whether your masters say so.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 12:33 | 3618251 AldousHuxley
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Gold can be a store of value, BUT if gold is used to buy bread in your country, it is time to leave that place.


That would be like zimbabwean proclaiming "all my money is in gold, so I'm ok here in Zimbabwe". It is better to be a TSA employee in US of A with fiat than some diligent gold rich businessmen who are targets for military dictators to steal from.


Sun, 06/02/2013 - 12:56 | 3618303 ultraticum
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If gold ever becomes used to buy bread (lots of bread), it will be time to STAY . . . . not leave.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 14:48 | 3618522 WhiteNight123129
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ultraticum, I would take gold or silver instead of fiat money any day too. But that does not make Gold money. Now if it enters the payment system by more people like you and I it would become money for sure. But for now it has not entered the payment system, you could maybe argue that Gold is very close to money in Iran given what is going on with Turkey.

But hear me here, I am very much loaded with Gold and Silver, it is a better store of value than Fiat money. Fiat has all the attributes of money except the one crucial one which is store of value, while Gold has all the attributes of money except means of payment. THe fact that politicians prevent Gold from being a payment form does nothing to take away its store of value attributes, actually it is their actions which make Gold more attractive.


Mon, 06/03/2013 - 10:33 | 3620121 MeelionDollerBogus
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Government decides what slave-tickets are to be used for taxation and forced by the central printer.

WE the people decide what money is.

Gold is money when I say it's money because I use it as such. Period.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 10:31 | 3620118 MeelionDollerBogus
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Gold is money and even last year in Vietnam people bought & sold HOUSES using gold.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 20:59 | 3619169 ATM
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Gold = Money.


Mon, 06/03/2013 - 10:29 | 3620106 MeelionDollerBogus
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are ya gonna use 'em as weights, get all fit like Fish said, or are you in shape and see a future were you could be running with your money?

I bet you can run faster with 8 gold coins than a monster-box of silver.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 10:27 | 3620098 MeelionDollerBogus
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I'll drink to that! And have a smoke.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 13:48 | 3618401 NoTTD
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Oh, fuck off.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:50 | 3617375 The Shootist
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I saw Ben Shalom blinking a lot at the key points when he was done lyin'.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 23:25 | 3617612 earleflorida
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'indeed, his personal medical staff must be increasing moar with every qe, as he nears ptsd... for whom his very bell tolls... whilst his krugman signs, and whistles past the graveyard... the grandest mortician is the make-up of a faustian face without a trace of disgrace, whom once past is but morrows fate undress'd albeit rehearse'd?'

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 06:33 | 3617859 Nu Yawks hottes...
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How many times a day does the average person need (as opposed to want) to use gold, or a gold product (i.e. one that must contain gold to operate) ?

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 07:32 | 3617908 Doña K
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I check my gold watch several times a day. It operates fine.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 08:23 | 3617947 negative rates
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Yea, and my gold wisdom teeth get more use than the dust fairy using a vatican vacuum cleaner. 



Sun, 06/02/2013 - 09:16 | 3617973 Dr. No
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Gold plated electronic components

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 11:12 | 3618121 debtandtaxes
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Wear my gold 1/10 oz maple ring every day.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 10:18 | 3620075 MeelionDollerBogus
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/sarc, or did you actually have one made? Honestly I would think 0.1 oz too light are purity, too little metal for a ring except for a child.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 15:55 | 3618626 SilverRhino
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Did you pick up your cell phone, turn on the computer or watch TV ??  

You used gold AND silver.   Congrats.  

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 21:02 | 3619174 ATM
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One of the very reasons gold is the perfect money is because it isn't used for almost anything else. It isn't consumed, it has few industrial uses (although it could but there are far cheaper substitutes). 

It is used in jewelry, which can be easily converted to currency. It's used in very small amounts in other things. Otherwise it's money, pure and simple.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 16:29 | 3618684 A Nanny Moose
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Utilitarian? Like I junk that come with monthly subscription?

Only illegal if you get caught.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:29 | 3617333 Skateboarder
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Lumber has integrity. So has grain, and electronics. Medium of exchange is irrelevant, and that's a fact every person on the plent needs to understand. The only detail that matters is that the number of units available for exchange is limited, growing or shrinking accordingly with the number of humans on the planet and the things they produce.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 12:36 | 3618254 AldousHuxley
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only thing limited is intersection of space and time.


medium of exchange without backing of guns is powerless. well these days you can have guns and gold, but gubermints will hunt you down with a drone, while another drone lifts gold out of your house.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 10:16 | 3620067 MeelionDollerBogus
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Thankfully someone is helping out on that drone issue:

How to kill a drone

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 21:04 | 3619179 ATM
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Lumber, grain and electronics do not have integrity when faced with termites, rodents and water.

Gold does.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 10:15 | 3620061 MeelionDollerBogus
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actually some electronics are fine in water - and those which can't run underwater can be dried and will work when dry. Just don't let the water cause a short-circuit during operations, that's all.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 10:14 | 3620058 MeelionDollerBogus
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bulky lumber needs to be put somewhere and doesn't have universal exchange. It's nearly universally needed but it's too big and must be protected from humidity, rain, occupying much more space than gold.

It has its value. Its value is not typically money or people would all have warehouses of wood upon which to do trade. The size matters, the weight. It's not convenient.

I understand your point it has value & can be traded but weight, if it's a solid, ease of handling, dictate what will be a medium of exchange as much as rarity, divisible account units, durability (lumber is not, not like gold). It all matters.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:44 | 3617361 cynicalskeptic
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'It can't be duplicated by crooks in high office.'

 BUT a reasonable enough stand in can be fabricated by using tungsten cores covered in a thin layer of gold - as some would claim occurred in the 80's-90's..... good enough to fool any Congressional types visiting Fort Knox.

 Not to mention the 'souveneir' coins fabricated by Chinese vendors......... 

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 22:56 | 3617571 0b1knob
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But can be duplicated by crooks in China.   Gold plated tungsten on an industrial level.   Virtually impossible to detect.  Buyer beware.


I'm sticking with platinum and palladium myself.   Very interesting supply / demand imbalance.   And too obscure for the government of counterfeiters to bother with.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 23:15 | 3617605 Non Passaran
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Continued fake demand for gasoline-powered cars?
Never been so optimistic.... Enjoy the P's.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 06:50 | 3617878 GetZeeGold
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I hipe someone powers up a gas car around here cause this spring has been really freakin cold.


The only thing on ths planet that has a fever is Al Gore.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 10:02 | 3618018 ParkAveFlasher
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Platinum and palladium are the solution because unlike gold, they can't be salted or faked.   </s>

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 09:35 | 3619975 MeelionDollerBogus
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You'll be sorry you said that when the sun really comes out, destroys all corn crops, much like last year. I'll bet you have no idea how endangered your food supply is. Farmers will plow 50% to 80% into the ground, brown and burned, and you'll still pretend there's no global warming. You can starve in your stupidity.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 00:14 | 3617671 TheReplacement
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You are very optimistic.  Being a pessimist I value cheaper metals like brass and lead more.  They are readily available except when they aren't and they have an actual purpose for which the actual person can actually use them.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 13:50 | 3618414 NoTTD
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If you're talking about their value when combined into bullets, I'm with you.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 09:31 | 3619968 MeelionDollerBogus
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magnetic slide. Tungsten can NOT act like gold in that manner. The purity, thickness, mass, matter. Once checked by the rare-earth magnet test and weight and displacement it's busted.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 07:40 | 3617912 Doña K
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It's okay to be both cynical and skeptic but if you buy a fake you deserve your fate. Get a fisch scale. Stay away from bars (gold and silver kind that is.)

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 09:33 | 3619970 MeelionDollerBogus
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I see testimonials and computer animations.

The channel scrapgolduniversity shows you testing actual gold and silver, fake and real, not 3D animations.

I'm suspicious and not going to pay for that Fisch.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 21:53 | 3617483 Fuku Ben
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Please try not to use the word integrity and those vermin in the same reply

The dirty lying thieving traitorous scum don't deserve to be in the same universe as that word

Some of them are likely the ones behind fraudulent PM products to help destabilize the market. Similar to how the North Korean currency counterfitting and money laundering was bought and paid for by crooks in high office. They probably shut it down when they weren't getting their cut.

Note the timing of this was during last years Sept Gold peak to kick off a big decline since then.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 20:40 | 3619136 Buck Johnson
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Bingo, and it's been around for thousands of years as a currency.  If not one, then as Ron Paul said why keep it around.  It's because Gold is still a currency.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:14 | 3617298 SRSrocco
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Not only is gold production going to peak, silver will follow soon after.  As ore grades fall, it takes more energy to produce the same or even less metal.  The top Primary Silver Miner's ore grade fell again in 2012:

Largest Primary Silver Miner’s Average Yield Declines 13% In 2012


Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:20 | 3617306 gonetogalt
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So you're saying equities in miners will lose value in FRNs? 

How about development stage miners not yet in production?

Paging Fonzannon?

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 23:13 | 3617602 Non Passaran
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He didnt say that. He said the prize of silver will go up.
Oil companies didn't go down when oil became scarcer.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 09:27 | 3619959 MeelionDollerBogus
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true, yet the use of silver in electronics will peak too. It will need to branch further into medical / catalytic use to retain full intrinsic value

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 23:32 | 3617623 Schmuck Raker
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Well done, Spitter.

 Noone had a decent reason to dislike you(recently) until you re-emerged as your own bad self.

[suk it]

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:07 | 3617275 nmewn
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"Most congressional Democrats who wrote letters asking the IRS to investigate tea party and other 501(c)(4) conservative groups have fallen silent or are expressing feigned outrage that the IRS would do what they asked. But not Mr. Durbin."

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:07 | 3617285 NidStyles
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Some idiots just don't know when to keep their mouts shut.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:12 | 3617295 LetThemEatRand
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The new meme in response to this atrocity is that the IRS was just going after those evil tax cheats who don't want to pay taxes for this Great Republic.  Sadly, many on the Blue Team will eat it up like vanilla flavored shit.  You've gotta hand it to the guys who figured out that you could divide the nation based on teams -- it works.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:27 | 3617323 nmewn
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Its divided on principle, not team.

The state gets X. The state has to decide what to do with X. When X grows too large people earning X withdraw from participating.

It quits working.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:29 | 3617330 LetThemEatRand
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I will bet my life savings that when it collapses the Team mentality grows stronger, not weaker.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:32 | 3617338 nmewn
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You better hope you're on the right team then. And the winners will be those who stood on principle.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:37 | 3617345 LetThemEatRand
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Tell me again which of the Teams of which I speak stand on principle?  If you're talking about a different group, then why are you responding to my posts about the Red Team/Blue Team fight that defines 95% of America?

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:45 | 3617367 nmewn
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Well there are good principles and bad aren't there?

Tell me what your principles are again...there was a limit to be imposed by the state (Huey Long-like) on someones earnings wasn't there?...don't make me go back and grab your exact quote.

What happens when "the state" decides its only two fiddy a month is all you need to survive/subsist as they provide everything else for you?

Party on Garth.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 21:00 | 3617389 LetThemEatRand
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Is there another thread where we are having this discussion?

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 21:13 | 3617416 nmewn
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Now I value your honesty, so don't forfeit that here, its a precious thing these days.

Have you or have you not advocated for "progressive" taxation up to the point of, no one is allowed, by the earn as much as they legally can?

That is, at a certain amount (I believe your number was 100 million) anything over a 100 million would be taxed at 100%.

This is a yes or no question...

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 21:23 | 3617426 LetThemEatRand
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Yes, assets above $100M should be taxed at 100% upon death.  Otherwise, we have princes, princesses, Queens, Kings, oligarchs, etc.  Ask Monaco.  P.S.  Gotta go.  Wife thinks it's Saturday night and we should go have a drink or something and I shouldn't sit here and debate on ZH.  I know.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 21:35 | 3617449 Pure Evil
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Hopefully her name isn't Ayn Rand, then your avatar name takes on a whole nother context.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 21:44 | 3617466 LetThemEatRand
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Sat, 06/01/2013 - 21:34 | 3617450 nmewn
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Assets, not earnings...thank you for your honesty.

The 100 million figure stuck in my head.

So it is your opinion that someone who has spent a lifetime of work and accumulates 100 million in assets forfeits anything over 100 million to the state upon death?

Why...because the state is a better distributer of a persons wealth than the one who earned it in the first place would be?

Governments are well known for racking up huge debts in case you haven't observed.

The Carnegie, Mellon, Annenburg etc. institutes will be most displeased with your framing them as princes, princesses, Queens, Kings and oligarchs.

But what "team" are they on now? ;-)

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 21:36 | 3617457 LetThemEatRand
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Koch sucker.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 21:39 | 3617461 nmewn
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It was the state using the IRS against the TP that set you off

Enjoy your dinner/drinks...and think about the "poor suffering masses" while you do ;-)

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 21:47 | 3617467 Pure Evil
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Wow, he really went all "Ad Hominem" on you nmewn.


Hey, look at me everyone, I learned how to use a "BIG" word in the proper context today.


I'm so proud of myself, big pat on the back there Pure Evil!

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 22:44 | 3617478 nmewn
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lol...I think we can call that a "principled" meltdown & KO in the fifth round ;-)


But where was I before I hijacked the thread and got into a slap fight with LTER?...ahhh yes...the leftist-statist comfort zone.

A place where they are above the rule of law. A place where Lois Lerner can say (almost with a straight face) that it was just "poor customer service" about a governmental entity that uses deadly force & property/asset confiscation in its daily practices.

The kings deer.

A place where, Douglas Shulman (Lois Burner, ahem, Lerner) boss can mockingly say to our representatives that he visited the WH 158 times solely for Easter Egg rolls as they get ready to implememnt IRS oversight of ObamaCare, your health insurance. The last IRS head visited once...apparently that one hated the Easter Bunny we must suspect.

The court jester.

A place where, the EPA head can have her own surreptitious private email account to keep conversations away from public scrutiny (Lisa Jackson posing as...Richard Windsor) and then go to work for Apple when busted.

The spurned handmaiden.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 10:32 | 3618048 Dealyer Turdin
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What about members of Congress using insider leverage to get their chunk?

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 21:41 | 3617464 snr-moment
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And I would support that 100% if you get rid of ALL charitable trusts as well.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 09:24 | 3619954 MeelionDollerBogus
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Are you mad? Taxation upon death is stealing from the dead and families.

Taxation at 100% is slavery.

It doesn't matter what number you pick: inflation will quickly change to make it a number we can all hit.

You don't get queens, princesses, etc., from large inheritance. They have ROYAL blood and are decreed to be kings, queens, princesses, etc., by their lineage.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 09:43 | 3617998 SuperRay
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Nobody has a clue how this will play out.  But everybody has an opinion.  and as fox news has taught us, you can bleat your opinion all day, who cares about facts, and alot of morons will absorb it like mindless sponges.


What's gonna happen when the collapse hits? In my opinion, the rich protect themselves and continue to steal assets, everyone else is totally fucked. How will that happen?  idk

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 10:29 | 3618042 Dealyer Turdin
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Or, the rich, being mere Judas Goats, get their asses handed to them again and demand and (time it right then) a bunch of pissed of cats intercept the bailout.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 09:18 | 3619947 MeelionDollerBogus
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red / blue?

It will be "hungry / other"

sorry to surprise you if that was a surprise.

... no I'm not.

Wake the fuck up. Red / blue ; left/right are illusions.

The teams will be divided into HUNGRY and OTHER. Come on now, it's so obvious.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:35 | 3617341 El Viejo
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I'd like to see Durbin and Biden in a debate with any 5th grader.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 22:47 | 3617379 nmewn
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I'd like to see squire nmewn and Biden shoot over & unders off Bidens balcony and debate Durbin on the finer points of the First Amendment as it relates to the private sector.

My money is on squire.


At least five silent, sulking losers so far ;-)

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 22:38 | 3619380 MeelionDollerBogus
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And yet still no further comment on swearing under oath TWICE that taxes are VOLUNTARY.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:20 | 3617309 nmewn
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That would be me ;-)

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:05 | 3617277 vmromk
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Two morons.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:10 | 3617293 ebworthen
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Bernanke and Timothy Geithner, or Bernanke and Jack Lew?

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:46 | 3617369 The Shootist
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I'm up voting and down voting contradictory statements on here. I just "go with the flow" and vote whichever direction feels right.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:07 | 3617278 NidStyles
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Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:05 | 3617280 Devotional
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you may have been first or second BUT I got the gold :)

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:09 | 3617289 ebworthen
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Tangible and immutable.

Gold is like honesty and trust, hard to come by, invaluable when you find it.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:20 | 3617307 DaddyO
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Gold has no alligience to any flag...



Sun, 06/02/2013 - 20:15 | 3619070 Pseudonymous
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Contrast the nature of that form of money with the nature of the US Dollar today, and the way the FED manages it. As testified by former chairman Volcker:

Credibility is an enormous asset,” Volcker said. “Once earned, it must not be frittered away...”

Honesty and trust is normally what is needed to build credibility, so credibility is one more thing that is

hard to come by, invaluable when you find it.

Yet the FED is gambling it all away, as warned by Paul Volcker.

Who wants to experience the consequences first hand and who wants to take their destiny in their own hands?

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:13 | 3617296 Westcoastliberal
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They can't print it so they surpress its price, but they can't surpress its real value.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 21:20 | 3617428 ozziindaus
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If that's what you call it. Why not just say the low demand is naturally driving the price down? Why does it always have to be manipulated? Would you part with your gold for $2000/oz? 

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 22:35 | 3619367 MeelionDollerBogus
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Low demand contradicts the high volume of purchases of physical gold so no, saying low demand is the reason, is happening at all, is nonsense.

And no, I won't part with my gold at 2000/oz. I will part with it for a good valued tangible item or a much-needed service. I can play the paper game to get fiatbux using options. GLD calls out to 2015 would be good value but are fairly high priced compared to the same linear difference of break-even to estimated matching silver, and slv price, using slv calls out to 2015. Those seem remarkably underpriced. If you'd prefer shorting the trade the puts are equally underpriced.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:17 | 3617297 Quinvarius
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The use of gold has grown up alongside large scale trade.  Efficient cross border trade requires a standard unit of account.  If you take gold out of global trade, it becomes a drag on the trade system.  It opens the door to too many corruptions and inefficiencies.  You have to have a standard unit of account that does not change and has value everywhere beyond politics and borders.  The Dollar, like all fiat, cannot be that unit of exchange for very long before it proves it is no exception to history.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:27 | 3617326 Peter Pan
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This is what Dr Mahathir was proposing some years ago to stop insane balancesdeveloping between nations and I agree.

The problem is that poor old Gadaffi fell foul of the fiat masters.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:42 | 3617358 BigDuke6
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Ah, Malaysia ?
I love Malaysia , I have friends from Kota baru but I think they r in KL now

To get back to gold, for the first time I have had associates ask me about buying significant amounts of gold. People I know as friends of friends...
This can b taken in different ways but I see it as increasing awareness hopefully to feed demand

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:21 | 3617313 LetThemEatRand
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In 1939, a Pina Colada in New York City cost 5 cents.  Haven't been there in a while, but I'm guessing you're looking at $20 today.  

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:26 | 3617319 Ropingdown
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The price increase is nearly all local labor and limited real-estate, most likely. 

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:31 | 3617335 LetThemEatRand
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So there's somewhere I can still buy a Pina Coloda for 5 cents?  And real estate was not limited in NYC in 1939?

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:41 | 3617352 Bindar Dundat
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In 1902 an ounce of gold could rent you a nice two bedroom apt. Today -- still does except in NY.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:55 | 3617382 flacon
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What about in 2002? $300/month?

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 06:54 | 3617881 GetZeeGold
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I was there. I got laughed at.......a LOT!!!

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:25 | 3617315 Peter Pan
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You can't convince the general populace about the value of holding gold any more than you can convince them not to smoke.

The wake up call will come with the collapse of the system as it happens with the diagnosis of cancer.

History will be repeated but timing can be frustrating for us humans .

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:33 | 3617336 El Viejo
Sat, 06/01/2013 - 21:33 | 3617440 akak
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I've always thought of smoking as just a particularly slow, dirty and expensive form of suicide.

Why anyone ever starts smoking is a complete mystery to me, and a devastating reflection of the inherent insanity of mankind.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 22:31 | 3617527 Curiously_Crazy
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I guess because it's relaxing, and breaks up an otherwise monotonous day into segments.

Some don't care if they die 10 years earlier rather than spend those last 10 years drooling and with alzheimer's in an old peoples home.

People say smoking is a cost to society. This isn't necessarily the case; several European studies have shown smokers actually put more into the system (through the huge taxes on ciggies) and dying at an earlier age.


Sat, 06/01/2013 - 23:08 | 3617594 Non Passaran
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Sun, 06/02/2013 - 10:45 | 3618071 Montgomery Burns
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Maybe, but I see pts all the time who, after 40 years of smoking, once diagnosed with lung cancer, finally stop smoking and insist on receiving every expensive treatment/ surgery/radiation/chemo. Even though none of those are likely to do much besides extend their life for a few painful and uncomfortable weeks or maybe months if they're lucky. On the other hand, I see plenty of healthy 80-90 yr olds who live happy lives without alzheimers, until one night they pass away in their sleep.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 22:31 | 3619355 MeelionDollerBogus
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perhaps the bias is that you see patients, people who have something wrong with them.

There's plenty of 80 and 90 year olds who have no cancer and smoke. They know their time is due because they're old. No reason to worry about smoking at that age.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 22:40 | 3617543 BigDuke6
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Some say its sucking on your mothers nipple again....

A real stress reliever. :0

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 03:31 | 3617790 Manipuflation
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AKAK, for the first time, I am taken aback by your comment.  I almost always get a kick out of your comments going all the way back to Kitco and Nadler.(I emailed that douche directly)  Do you have a temperature?  Why would you have a problem with tobacco users?  We are all going to die my friend.  And for as hard as you fight online, do you really think we can overtake those who are fools?  I will smoke a cigarette if I want to and don't worry about me dying off just yet. 

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 14:08 | 3618429 akak
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Manipuflation, I do not have a problem with tobacco smokers per se, I have a problem with tobacco smoking (as in cigarettes) itself, which by any rational and objective measure is patently self-destructive with, from all that I can see, little if any redeeming qualities other than the assuaging of the insecure teenaged needs for mindless rebellion and social acceptance .  I have no desire to see smoking banned, and in fact fought (unsuccessfully) a local measure several years ago to ban smoking in restaurants and bars, but the proven negative health effects of smoking are legion and undeniable, and all of that for what?  A few seconds of so-called "relaxation"?  Funny how I manage to relax any number of times on a daily basis without the need for inhaling poisons into my lungs.

I have a neighbor in his early 60s who is suffering from and slowing dying from emphysema brought on of course by smoking, who just last week had to have one of his legs amputated due to an arterial disease also caused by his smoking.
I hope that he feels that the cost to his wallet, to his family, to his diminished length of life, and to the diminished quality of his remaining life were worth it.

No, sorry, but I have to stand by my assertion: smoking is both self-destructive and irrational.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 21:10 | 3619197 Manipuflation
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AKAK, you almost sound like you care about me.  I appreciate your concern my friend.  You are akak and have been a friend of liberty for a very long time now.  It really sucks akak, but I am going to die, as are we all.  If you choose not to smoke than kudos to you.  It's a little too late for me now although I do have an E-cig now.  I respect your opinion akak and I think you know that.  You are a great blogger who has earned his place.  I am not going to quit smoking.  If I did quit smoking, the entire economy might collapse due to lack of tax revenue.  Hmm... now that you mention it......


Just so you know, I am not a poser.


Peace akak

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 21:57 | 3619292 akak
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Sorry if I came across rather harsh and judgemental, but my views on smoking are what they are.  Again, though, I feel the need to express my firm belief in one's individual right to smoke unhindered by governmental force or other coercion, and that includes in any form of private establishment such as a restaurant or bar, which despite the woefully ignorant asserations of so many latter-day statists are NOT 'public establishments', and whose owners should and do have the absolute right to decide whether their patrons should be allowed to smoke therein or not, just as any individual has the right to decide whether guests may smoke in their own homes or not.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 22:29 | 3619347 MeelionDollerBogus
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I'll oppose your assertion. The daily stresses of facing social & economic bullshit leaves me with only smoking as a way to relax. Even a beer, sleep, a walk, doesn't do it quite right.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 09:43 | 3617999 mess nonster
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Tobacco fakz:

 Nicotine is a very effective neurotransmitter enhancer- helps span the synapses- so the sparks fly faster and more efficiently. For habitual smokers, the effect is hardly noticeable, but for occasional or ceremonial smokers, the sudden clarity of vision, thought, and emotive power is quite noticeable.The effect lasts about ten minutes, which is long enough to make a good decision.

This is why smoking is still allowed in cockpits, and why people in stressful circumstances (soldiers) like to smoke.

Ingterstingly enough, the active ingredient in marijuanna, THC, binds only to receptors in the brain that are otherwise only active when we are in the womb- yes, pot smoking brings back to us a sensation of being in the womb. Perhaps this is a nice place to crawl back to when things get dodgy, but  I suspect survival rates for pot smokers in stresful or life-threatening environments will be lower than those of the more active and clear-headed tobacco smokers.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 22:28 | 3619343 MeelionDollerBogus
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That's not true - THC binds to the anandamide receptors which regulate a lot of things, one of which is memory storage.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 22:26 | 3619336 MeelionDollerBogus
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You could say the same of many vices & I'd bet your chance of serious injury or death is higher from driving a car.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 03:15 | 3617781 Manipuflation
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Sun, 06/02/2013 - 03:15 | 3617782 Manipuflation
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Do I really have to live forever to pay MOAR taxes?

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:28 | 3617324 holdbuysell
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Well-done video. Not sure I agree with the 'gold as investment' thesis, which in my mind implies risk. Gold is simply a mechanism to store your past economically-related's risk-free savings.

But FOFOA says it better from many perspectives in this 21 min video:

"What is Freegold?"


Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:32 | 3617334 Peter Pan
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I agree, gold should be seen as one of the best forms of inflation protected wealth although there will be periods when that adjustment either outperforms or underperforms inflation. This also depends on the degree of manipulation or even outright attacks on gold as we are witnessing in India.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 23:36 | 3617625 Ignatius
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Because it's been in an uptrend people confuse it as an investment.  And it is still rising and will revalue much higher, but in the end it's portable, storable wealth.  It's rising because its real function has been forgotten.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 22:25 | 3619332 MeelionDollerBogus
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Risk is in every choice & refusal to take action is still a choice.

Gold's risk as bullion is that someone could take it, you could be forced to run so fast (for your life) you leave it behind or that you need cash up front faster than gold can trade for it (very near-term).

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:32 | 3617337 SILVERGEDDON

Gold is like pussy - everyone wants it.


Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:39 | 3617353 Peter Pan
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Thankfully my gold does not require constant washing.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:41 | 3617354 SILVERGEDDON

Use your tongue on either one. You will be richly rewarded.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 22:50 | 3617559 They trynna cat...
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False.  I get laughed at on a regular basis when I tell people to buy gold.

More like gold is like internet porn in that many partake in it but no one talks about it at work.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:38 | 3617347 lolmao500
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Russian Aircraft Carrier To Be Active In Mediterranean This Year

Russian Navy Commander Admiral Viktor Chirkov says Russia’s only heavy aircraft carrier, the "Admiral Kuznetsov," will be ready to act as part of a naval group in the Mediterranean Sea by the end of 2013.

The ship entered drydock in 2012 to be upgraded and wasn’t scheduled for a relaunch until 2017.

Turkish police truck runs over protesters...

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:40 | 3617350 Seasmoke
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My question is how many ounces of gold should a person purchase to feel secure. I am looking for a person with less than 100,000 salary.

10 , 20 , 50 , 100 ????

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:41 | 3617355 Zgangsta
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Take the total known supply of gold in existence, divide by the most recent world population estimate, and multiply by 10.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:44 | 3617359 SILVERGEDDON

Every fucking ounce you can get your hands on without starving to death.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:49 | 3617371 cynicalskeptic
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Diversifying into silver as well would be wise,

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:45 | 3617362 Peter Pan
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Faber is still buying after many years of buying. I hope that answers your question.

Or another to put it is this......don't save in fiat unless you plan to go into the confetti business at some stage in your life.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 21:26 | 3617434 Miss Expectations
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How much money do you need a month?

If you need $1400/month , then you need 12 coins for each year of your remaining survival timeline.

(Don't hold me to it, it's just a way to think about it.)

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 22:21 | 3617513 Saq
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Gold or Silver?

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 23:42 | 3617632 Ignatius
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Gold is held as a sovereign reserve asset, silver is not.  That said, silver may have some stunning gains, but due to its valuable industrial utility, it will kill certain industries if it goes too high.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 00:23 | 3617680 takeaction
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Sir...You win.  What a great way to put it.  Gold maintains its buying power no matter what happens....incredible.  May I use this logic and steal your sentance?

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 11:19 | 3618134 debtandtaxes
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"coins" is not helpful. ounces or grams - and gold or silver coins?


Sun, 06/02/2013 - 13:12 | 3618334 Miss Expectations
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The question was about gold.  Gold coins are about $1400/oz.  I thought it was self evident.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:49 | 3617374 Downtoolong
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You know something is awry when there’s a gold buying shop every quarter mile trying to give you fiat for gold, but, the only places that will exchange currencies are banking centers and pubic airports.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:57 | 3617383 Peter Pan
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Bloody good observation.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 22:37 | 3617430 Almost Solvent
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And, many of these recent cash 4 gold joints won't sell you any gold, only buy it from you.


*EDIT (I think they don't sell gold because if the average Joe walking into these cash 4 gold joints saw what the retail value was, he probably wouldn't sell it for pennies on the dollar)

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 02:14 | 3617753 ponzisaurus
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Most of these are total burn shops but I do get a kick out the way that they are one man and the dancing guy with the sign has to watch the door and come in to do the transaction should a sucker ,I mean customer show up.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 09:47 | 3618004 IrritableBowels
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+1 for "pubic airports"

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:53 | 3617378 viator
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Peak peak. Peak oil, peak gas, peak gold, peak water, peak peak.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 20:59 | 3617386 Peter Pan
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Take heart my friend, peak stupidity is still some distance away.

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