On May 28, a small group of mostly young environmentalists gathered in Istanbul's Taksim Square for a sit-in to protest a planned demolition of walls, uprooting of trees and the perceived desecration of historical sites in the square's Gezi Park. The initially peaceful demonstration turned violent the night of May 30, when police tried to break up what had grown to more than 100 protesters. The environmental protesters were joined the next day by high-level representatives of the ruling Justice and Development Party's main opposition, the secular Republican People's Party. The message of the protests soon evolved from saving Gezi Park's trees to condemning Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan and his party for a litany of complaints. Anti-government chants included "Down with the dictator," "Tayyip, resign," and "Unite against fascism."
The protests grew rapidly when the weekend began, with more than 10,000 people gathering in Taksim Square on June 1. By that night, protests had reportedly spread to the cities of Izmir, Eskisehir, Mugla, Yalova, Antalya, Bolu, Adana, Ankara, Kayseri and Konya. Many of the areas where protests were reported are also areas where the Republican People's Party would be expected to bring out a large number of supporters. Konya, Kayseri and Ankara -- strong areas of support for the Justice and Development Party -- were notable exceptions. The largest protests, in Istanbul and Izmir, brought out predominantly young protesters in the tens of thousands. These protests will be highly significant if they grow to the hundreds of thousands, include a wider demographic and geographically extend to areas with traditionally strong support for the ruling party. However, though dissent is rising, at present Erdogan and the Justice and Development Party still have substantial support among the more conservative, rural Turks who make up the bulk of the country's population.
Hector!...
I never noticed that turkey looks like a penis. Well, one that has been chewed on, just sayin.
Sorry Scro,
You just failed the Rorschach test.
If that's what yours looks like, I suggest you seek medical help immediately.
Looks like a powderkeg to me.
I was just going to say That looks like one sore dick.
It's not an uprising. There is a foreign power behind this. And it is all part about the numerous pipeline deals concocted in the last 3 years.
maybe... the uprising is a snowball after the police state heavy-baton cracked some protesting "paving the parking lot". the fact that it snowballed is a sign of oppression that is bubbling to the surface. yes, Turkey sucks the Zionista's teet. is that what you meant?
The MSM says it was all about cutting some trees down in a park to build a mosque. And the greens got all bent outa shape because of the intransigence of the builders.
Now that's what I heard and understand to be the absolute undeniable pile of horseshit being pawned off on the sheeple as I've ever heard. since Boston, 911, TWA flight whatever, Plum Island, the Kennedy Assassination, the Other Kennedy Assassination, the Wars on Drugs and Poverty, the Masque of the Red Death the Cask of the Amontillado and natcherly, the rogue Cincinnati IRS office and the Benghazi YouTube anit-Christ video.
Sheeeit!
is this a grass roots uprising? maybe, too early to tell... but that does not mean that zionists will not take advantage of the chaos... take note Saudi Arabia, and even U.S. government... after zionism has used you as a whore... it will throw you to the dogs and use the chaos to some other end... whether that is the case in Turkey? again, too early to say.
John
You realize Zionism and Juddaism are not exactly the same thing right?
Kind of like all thumbs are fingers, but not all fingers are thumbs.
And Zionism was in it's heyday a century ago... they won. Look, it's called Israel and they have a nuke!
go ahead and pull that trigger Israel...even THINK about pulling the trigger. "Problem solved forever." Now let's proceed shall we to the cold hard work of remember our Vietnam Veteran brethren who now pull all the strings of this Fully Operational Battle Station...and the wonderful President of the United States who put them there. "Get to work Spain." France and Britain have already shown their honor 12 years running now.
zionism is dead then? what a relief... only, somebody should tell the zionists who have infiltrated governments all around the world that they can all go back to is-ra-el if their agenda is complete. and the whole central bank scam funding this operation... totally unecessary, pack it all up and go home boys.
Not to mention the joobanx, er, zionists on Wall Street. Zionism, what a nice cover story for flat out religious despotism.
the dictator was touching the sensitivities of the secular and modern turks since 2007. lately he started using a very foul language about the founder, kemal ataturk, and called all booze drinkers alcoholics. he gave the name of an ottoman sultan who slaughtered alawites to a new bridge in bosphorus defying them all. lately there were tremendous hikes in taxes and fines, and the main street shopping was in the shitters.
the park is located in taksim, a city part where the libertarians mostly hang around. they felt violated and finally erupted. what i am saying is that the anger developed over time and seems to be unstoppable now.
the dictator thinks he can do whatever he pleases just because he got the majority of votes and calls this a democracy.
Aw come on now....
"the dictator thinks he can do whatever he pleases just because he got the majority of votes and calls this a democracy"
...don't try to foist this off on Oblahama, too, FFS!
gettin' worse that "its Bush's fault" and we got 3 1/2 more years!
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I suspected that this was being fueled by a lot of pent-up resentment. A quite literally parabolic growth in protesters (100 to 10,000 in two days) doesn't result solely from discontent over a park.
Thank you for the background information.
Muzzies will go ape-shit-full-retard-balls-to-the-walls over anything.
While everyone else sits on the couch saying "Everything is fine...". At least they're outside doing something other than mashing keys on a keyboard (and yes, I realise the hypocrisy of my typing this).
I think the Branch Davidians should get a 'shout out' here as well Knuckles.
Let's not forget the Pete Rose gamblin' issue, OJ's little trouble over his memorabilia, Skilling getting bent over on those trumped up security charges, and, oh yeah, that little problem w Jeffers down south somewhere.
awesome i bow in fealty this is 68 200 american cities erupted
+1 It's about the PM's son-in-law taking a public park to develop a shopping mall and the brutalitiy of the gov response. MSM is sofa king full of shit...
If it is a foreign power behind all these uprisings then the ease with which they are conjured is a true testament to the restlessness and desperation of the "people".
Maybe Putin is trying to explain to the Turkish tough guy that he might have bigger things to worry about than say... Syria ?!?
Just a thought...
I wouldn't call the Turkish / Israeli relationship too warm over the last 10yrs.
Can anyone provide any proof/evidence to back this whole Syrian pipeline argument. Sure it sounds pretty: a rich Qutari man wants to build a pipeline and is feeding a growing insurgency of mercanaries...
Nice Clancy book, but hard evidence - besides the known that Russia holds EU by the nuts regarding energy - would be nice.
Otherwise, please replace tin-hat on head and go back to being Mel Gibson.
Not nearly as bad as the Turkish/Russian one. THE UNITED STATES HAS NO SKIN IN THIS GAME. Our doctrine under HENRY KISSINGER NO LESS was one of "honest broker." IN OTHER WORDS PHUCK ISRAEL. (now anytime they want to cough up a 100,000 ship Navy or a 30 million man Army...i mean this is their economy is it not?)
There's a small quatari army in syria........
Yeah, Russia is the foreign power.
actually it is a peaceful uprising, something you guys in US would dream of. the true faces of the politicians and the MSM are out in the open and even average people became aware of the blatant manipulation and lies. what else could one want?
the violence you see is caused by the police and very small groups of marxist airheads. the majority is peaceful. they clean up the dirt from the street after every demonstration for fuck's sake!
Or maybe it is because they are evil, stupid muslims stuck in the 12th century
Don't you mean stuck in the XIIth century? After all, you don't want to use those evil Arabic numerals. Tosspot.
haha!
If you guys think Israel is behind this, you have never opened a history book.
This is a USA conflict with someone else. And if you think for one moment Qatar and Saudi Arabia are not telling Obama what to do , you are a fool.
Krack Down 4,3,2..
this needs to get a fucking lot bigger, wider and faster
They might have a recruit from LA joining them soon if he can get a gas mask: http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/wan/3847142277.html
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According to the plan.
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This seems to be more of a grassroots effort. Syria started when foreign mercenaries took up ambushing police / military and sniping civilians. This was students protesting in a park.
It may get co opted, but since Erdogan the mongoloid was playing ball with NATO and doing Prince Porky from quatar's bidding as well as serving the Zombie King of the house of saud - I would not think they are part of it.
Looks great on Erdogan too. It concerns me though in that between this, and the fact that Al CIAda inc are getting liqudiated at an increasing rate in syria, the West is edging closer to pushing the panic button.
Ahh, if you want to be REALLY cynical, look into Syrian Al-C terrorists getting busted with Sarin gas, and it getting splashed on Western media. (Golly, that story died fast, didn't it?). While I don't doubt the sincerity of the secular loving youth, and don't doubt they're fighting the good fight against a crappy Islamic fool, deals were done in Davos.
Now, if I were someone with a lot of power, who'd spent a lot of money in the region, and wanted a certain outcome, and the people with the ball dropped it, really, really, really badly: I'd want a) a lot of noise to cover the actual ball drop and b) Plan B to get people in there who wouldn't drop the ball in the future.
That's only if I was playing some kind of Kissinger level power-bullshit trip though. And still thought in terms of the RAND school of cybernetics and systems theory. And was old, slow and still thought in terms of hours response, not milliseconds.
Faster, smarter, stronger, hungrier. That's what evolution does. The old octopus with arms everywhere was just a metaphor, and was rather silly if you took away the large amounts of violence it used and its crude tactics. The new ones might be a little more dangerous.
Cool. Pass the weed?
Aww, cute. You follow my comments. Please +1 like them to give me an ego boost & make sure the medium is essential to my mental image of well-being. I love puppies, they're so lovable. Your commentary is cute, so edgy. So... fucking 1960's PSO.
Thought experiment:
#1 Why can a computer beat a human at Chess, but not Go?
#2 If you were a plesiosaur in the big wide ocean, what would you think of mammals?
#3 At some point, you have to consider the fact that you might be obsolete. It's a central tennet of Capitalism. The problem you're having is that you don't understand the boundaries of where this is being drawn.
Here's a challenge: provide me with a decent response... or fuck off. You're boring me now. I expect unicorns shitting skittles otherwise you're burnt.
p.s. If you didn't even understand the Octopi biology lesson, I'll give you some remedial classes. How was Vietnam btw?
I LOLed.
+1 for my favorite Prodigy song
the three words mankind can not escape(gordian's paradox): "I don't k-no?!-W"
The video about the Octopus rocks. Thought provoking. Thank you very much.
@ AEM 3621616
Faster, smarter, stronger, hungrier. That's what evolution does
· NATO ally Turkey, the freight forwarder for arms shipments to the Syrian opposition, switches sides, and signs on with the SCO team.
no msm coverage of this either, boy wonder............................
Interesting.
I'll have to digest this fact, thanks.
Food for thought- while Bibi has been getting his panties in a bunch about S-300's being deployed to Syria, he has just been tea bagged.
One could draw a 400km radius around Armenia, but that sort of ignores the strategic importance of being able to move certain assets across that southern border should Israel keep sending its aircraft north...
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Funny that Turkey was given third-tier Dialog Partner status (less rights than Observer status or full membership), considering the US was essentially told to fuck off when it begged to be let into the club.
Of course, by funny I mean funny haha.
Whether Shanghai Coöperation (SCO) Organisation becomes Warsaw Pact version 2.0 remains to be seen. Right now, they are nowhere close to NATO members integration. Both India and Pakistan have an observer status in SCO, yet they are in the state of low intensity war with each other over the Kashmir region. Settled in the past conflict between India and China over the Aksai Chin and Arunachal Pradesh regions has had some hickups recently as well. On the other hand, Russia has a headache with growing Chinese illegal immigration and China's economic influence in the Russian Far East. Russians have been beefing up their defences in that region and some Russian military experts predict Chinese military invasion of Russia in the future.
Aurora Ex Machina said:
I'd probably say momentarily blinked instead of splashed, but it did get pushed out of the headlines faster than a folksy metaphor for something very fast.
They let slip that those arrested are members of al-Nusra, the Levantine al Qaida "freedom fighter" franchise. The RT article said the gas was allegedly going to be part of a bomb used in an attack in Adana, the Turkish city in which the arrests were made.
What I've not seen mentioned in any stories about this, though, is the name of the red-line-crossing made-for-the-role-of-21st-century-USS-Maine US air base located quite conveniently near Adana. Curious.
Old joke:
Q: How did the CIA know Saddam had chemical weapons?
A: They kept the receipts.
RT is being censored itself, because Russia doesn't want to put this in war terms.
Interrogation documents show they were planning to move it into Syria, they had no intent of Turkish actions. (Russia is playing nice with the G8 / Bilders). It was one of the main lines to Syria "rebels". (And, hey: those documents were public, for a tiny while before you covered your ass and got the wet-wipes out, so no foul).
Deal with it. Nothing worse than spooks who can't deal with being fucktards then cover it up. (OOPS - Sorry Reagan). Sore losers are just cunts: and yes, it was public (archived) so no foul. Go fuck a duck. (EvE hacked? Trololol)
Bishop at C4 check
LaRouche is as bad as Scorcha Faal, ffs. Total muppets.
Seriously.
You don't send your flagship missile carrier into a region without sub protection, they're already there. DERP.
Not a fan of LaDouche, but they didn't fabricate this news, unlike the curious case of David Booth...
Also, this isn't about submarine protection of Russia's Black Sea fleet; it is about the end of the 20-year era of a single global superpower. Now watch China joining the party.
It's not about that at all. You're still thinking in terms of 20th Century Nation States.
What's happening is a lot stranger.
If you need proof, tomorrow "America" (Wall St) could make sure that all credit cards in the world stop processing. It'd cripple the entire system and chaos would ensue, Russia included. All this is about attempting to force a response from something. Or someone. Or someprocess.
It won't work. You're pushing the wrong buttons.
Who is the biggest user of credit cards, you m0r0n ?
Anyone with Capital, you pink luscious unicorn. If you don't get what that means, learn something.
Loving the junks here. You people are SLOW.
(I'm soooo close to linking you to the most fabulous gay Russian model known to mankind right now, dressed as a unicorn: if you don't know what I'm referencing, then don't reply. You're outta your league)
are we sure he's gay? not just insane?
right on methusalah ...... this is real and watch it spread fuck turkey think europe this is 1968 who knew then.................. its game on
That's no F'n way to run a pipeline.
If it happens in the US it will be 50 states against Globalist DC and a stinking (and I do mean stinking) island of banksters.
Reverse Zionism, sell Manhattan to the highest bidder (or jsut give it to Israel), move the Capitol to Denver.
why not to sell back to former owner for 60 dutch guilders or 1200 FEDs money?
Keep that hole yourself.
signed,
Holland
Sink it.
raze it.
tip it over!
You mean forty-some broke-ass states vs. the US Treasury.
They might get out of line, but they won't stay there very long.
Our first continental army had no boots.
Desparation cannot be purchased only acted upon.
In days gone by, all this might come of something. But, the ruling Islamist party years ago disloged the secular parties from their control of the Turkish military - through a faked coup. Secular opponets can riot and vent, but without the military to support them and with the popular Islamist majority they won't be able to effect regime change. This is different that, say, Egypt where secular forces and Islamists found a common enemy in the elitist dictatorship that lost control of a military that was neither secular nor Islmaist.
pucker up cuntface
These protests will be highly significant if they grow to the hundreds of thousands, include a wider demographic and geographically extend to areas with traditionally strong support for the ruling party.
There is a truism if I ever saw one. Turkey's modern history is intriguing, its potential future even more so.
Not "tens of thousands", that's a Monkey Media Trick.
Clocked at hundreds of thousands already.
p.s. Stratfor is a fucking joke. Go read some Reddit if you want the quick-fire version (and yes, we note how you're taking down certain media when it's sourced, and we know you're mining the FB / Twitter data and so on, but you're all so fucking slow.)
There's already a service to get around closing down the broadcasting antennas. Won't mention it here, but:
Dandini dandini dastana Danalar girmi? bostana Kov bostanc? danay? Yemesin lahanay?Huuu huuu huuuStay frosty, my friends.Stratfor is way behind the fast breaking story in Turkey.
A Turkish student/resident's perspective:
Why are the Turkish people fighting?Media compiled "story" multifacited including domestic/political/regional:
WHATS HAPPENING IN TURKEY (ENGLISH_TURKISH)
Independent coverage, story/text, images, embedded video:
The Turkish protests and the genie of revolution(edit to add)
One more - beautiful montoge of pictures set to music
What's happening in Turkey, Turkish Spring, The Fall of Turkish DictatorYeah, Hackers was a cool movie. A movie. You know. Not real. Reddit is 2 1337 4 m3!
Again, you missed it:
If you have to rely on Stratfor for your information feed, Reddit does a much better job.
Getting it yet? LOL. I'll spell it out: they're both owned by Corporate America, and the real info is found elsewhere.
You're so fucking SLOW. This is me on +18 units drinky drinky just to allow me to interact with your speed. BURP.
Many view points are valuable for their own reason. I would trust the Pepe Escobar Article (noted above) more for what the reality is.
Reading "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing The Realm" was valuable to read at the time not because I agreed with the bullshit, But it was important to understand what the Aholes were planning(and worked towards).
You must read your enemies as much as your friends Grasshopper.
But for different reasons.
Aurora ex machina-- This is like watching a therapy session - lots of anger, condescension, and f bombs. Pass the popcorn for the reply.
the map is misleading and false. the protests took place in 67 cities, which covers more than 90% of the turkish map. even cities considered to be bastions of the ruling dictator had their own share of the protests.
what do you expect from Stratfor?
Surely the Bilderbergers will find a way to restore the peace.
Stratfor? Really, Tyler?
More than likely a translation for the over-60 American demographic. Some of them are very literal and not very plastic. Grew up in a slower world n all.
Hi Aurora Ex - are you sure that your comments apply only to those over 60? A slower world indeed it was - gave you time to think in more than twitter-bytes. Lots of very literal and not very plastic folks in my generation - for sure - but they've been that way since they were - dare I say it - your age.
I'm about 12,000 years old, although a Lady reserves the right to hedge a little around the edges to preserve her mystique.
How old did you think I was?
Mentally, about 12.
Wow, that was cool.
Did you spend a lot of time on that burn?
I like your style.
The junkers are so literal, they don't even look at the links, let alone grokk them. I love the fact they think this works like Reddit or FaceBook and anyone gives a shit about virtual points. Monkey Says: It's a Skinner Machine! Press that button to make yourself heard! +1 +Like +Approval, the Mirror will pat me on the head back!
And that's why they're fodder in the world.
Sadly, I don't eat farmed meat.
Gobekli Tepe, Turkey... That must've been one helluva party too.
Hi AEM - I admit that I did think -young. Usually when someone comments about old farts ( like me) they are young. Forgive me if you were commenting on your contemporaries.
Actual Age means nothing.
It's all about adaptation.
Stay frosty, stay quick.
There are a lot of Turks in Germany. What happens when they begin solidarity demonstrations?
As Slim Pickins said - YAAAHHHOOOO!
Germany hasn't supplied any of the tear gas or police apparatus, so not seeing your jump cut there.
German police are beating up protestors outside the ECB for entirely different reasons. (*cough cough*)
Bullish...
http://www.pakalertpress.com/2013/06/02/ww3-alert-international-force-of...[/q
WW3 Alert: International Force Of 15,000 Masses In Jordan, Israeli Military Moves To Lebanon Border, Turkey Exchanges Fire With Syria, Syria Already Has S-300 Missiles
June 2, 2013 12
Western sources claim international forces will stay in Jordan after joint military exercise ‘to prepare for possible intervention in Syria’
A joint military exercise scheduled to take place in Jordan next week is aimed among other things at readying forces for a possible intervention in Syria, Western officials told Ynet on Tuesday.
More than 15,000 soldiers from 18 different countries are set to take part in “Eager Lion 2013.”
WW3 Alert International Force Of 15,000 Masses In Jordan, Israeli Military Moves To Lebanon Border, Turkey Exchanges Fire With Syria, Syria Already Has S-300 Missiles
Meanwhile, The Israeli military has moved resources and personnel up to the border with Lebanon, installing a barbed wire fence near the occupied Shebaa Farms area on Jabal Al-Shaikh (Mount Hermon). According to a Lebanese security source in Beirut, the Israelis have also sent pilotless drones as well as manned aircraft over Southern Lebanon, including the Beqaa Valley.
The source added that several artillery shells were fired from the eastern edge of the occupied Shebaa Farms. No casualties were reported.
First Shipment Of Russian S-300 Rockets Arrives In Syria
In interview with Hezbollah TV station, Syrian president says next shipment of anti-aircraft missiles due to arrive ‘soon’; states his government would not stand in way of groups ‘that will want to fight for liberation of Golan’
Meanwhile you have the Russian Fleet sitting in Cyprus. The group includes the destroyer Admiral Panteleyev, the amphibious warfare ships Peresvet and Admiral Nevelskoi, the tanker Pechenga and the salvage/rescue tug Fotiy Krylov and two landing ships, The Nikolai Filchenkov and the Azov large landing ship.
You have Hezbollah invading Syria from Lebanon. You have groups taking sides and fighting in lebanon. You have groups taking sides and fighting in Iraq. Turkey’s military on Thursday returned fire after shots were fired at an armored personnel carrier from across the border with Syria. A military statement said a group of around three to five people from across the border fired up to 15 shots toward the vehicle that was patrolling an area near the Orontes river, on the frontier. Turkish state-run TRT television said no one was wounded and the military said the group escaped and “disappeared from view” when it fired back.
That comes after 2 car bombs decimated the Turkish border town of Reyhanli that killed 51 and wounded 140 more and was blamed on a marxist group that is backed by the Syrian governments secret services.
MEANWHILE.. Syrian military forces backed by hezbollah and other allied militias retook Qusayr today dealing a huge blow to the rebels and effectively cutting off supplies to them from that route and splitting the rebellion in two.
At this point I'm thinking world war three could very well start over Syria. It seems the Eurasian powerhouse is making a stand over Syria which makes sense. They have to stand somewhere or they will be surrounded by western imperialist forces. I could see a Turkish invasion from the north and an ‘allied’ invasion from Jordan. Israeli forces invade southern lebanon and the golan heights. Maybe Iraq invades from the east in favor of Assad as they are already carrying out military operations in support of Assad and sending shia militias to fight in Syria. What a mess. -Mort
Looks to me like the caliphate installation is going to be messy. The Muslims sure love those fascists.
Old news?: "Almost 60,000 refugees return to Syria from Jordan" (how many of these syrian youth?... the unfortunates, were/are/have-been trained by int'l force's in democratic-atheistic-jihad-- in the latest by chance... peace exorcism?) http://www.albawaba.com/news/syria-jordan-refugees-495462
'Thy Kingdom (King Jordan: America's ME-Puppeteer#2) cometh...
This is a NATO nation, thus the protesters are terrorists and all measures should be used against them. The AL-Qaeda in Syria are freedom fighters. There is a difference!
yes, washington dc approaches the protesters with contempt but acts as if it is for free speech. the msm in turkey sides with the dictator and is widely hated by the masses. there were major demonstrations in front of media hqs, too. the dictator openly threatened advertisers not to remove their ads from the msm channels or else.
The youth are saying the leader is an Islamo Fascist who wants to install Sharia. Is that a proper assessment in your view?
yes, it is. erdogan is using the takkiya doctrine, an islamic term which means hide your intentions, even lie until the time is right.
recently he must have felt strong enough to badmouth the founder of turkey, kemal ataturk, a hero in the eyes of almost all turks if not of the islamic radicals. erdogan even resorted to calling secular people "alcoholics".
he is a progressive type and intends to boil the turkish frogs into accepting the idea of a saudi-like or iran-like islamic country. the recent protests showed erdogan's true colors, his support base seems to have dwindled to neanderthals fond of radical islam.
the majority of the population is not against the protests. parents even allow their kids to join the protests which i have never seen before in turkey. the secular people seem to have grasped that if they don't act now, tomorrow will be too late.
Good Luck.
The protests started when the prime minister's SON-IN-LAW wanted to build a cheezy shopping mall in one of the few remaining public spots in Istanbul:
What’s Causing the Riots and Violence in Turkey?
Interesting read by Pepe Escobar this morning..."Erdogan risk the 'must go' path" 6/3/13 www.atimes.com/ http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MID-01-030613.html
Note: Turkey's AKP (largest majority party [Islam/Muslim]... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_and_Development_Party_(Turkey) *founded in 2001?-- Pro-Western & Pro-American
Note2: Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_Turkey ...Three (3) esp. worthy of readers interest ___ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habert%C3%BCrK http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milliyet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%BCrriyet
Note3: Six (6) Turkish representative-attendees (participants?) @ 2013 Bilderberg : #1) Ash Aydintabas (columnist Milliyet Newspaper) #2) Ali Babacan (Deputy PM for Economic and Financial Affairs) #3) Haluk Dincer (President, Retail and Ins. Group, Sabanci Holding .A.S.) #4) Musta V. Koc (Chairman Koc Holdings A.S.) #5) Soli Ozel (columnist Haberturk Newspaper [Kadir Has University]) #6) Safak Pavey ((member of Parliament [CHP] Republican People's Party Turkey)(Party opposing the Erdogan (AKP)))
Ps. Lots of 'Propaganda-PR' for the grand game and Turkey's control of the Euphrates River and Tigris River via mega Dams? "Water-Shortage Crisis Escalating in the Tigris-Euphrates Basin" 8/28/12 http://www.futuredirections.org.au/publications/food-and-water-crisis/678-water-shortage-crisis-escalating-in-the-tigris-euphrates-basin.html
Ps2. "Turkey has water, Syria has little water and oil... but the Iragi's have Oil?!
thankyou Tyler
If it's in Stratfor, believe the opposite.
Always the same - the people have a peaceful demonstration on the people's land and the govt. thugs show up and antagonise.
http://turkishpolice.wordpress.com/
Very, very slick. Kudos, the team is doing ok.
When does the American version launch? I'm sure there's enough videos out there to do it...
make love, not war
http://www.ikissyou.org/
Things aren't going quite the way Obama said the Arab Spring would go in Egypt. At this point somone needs to ask Obama if Egypt is better off.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/03/egyptian-activist-pays-major-price-for-insulting-islamist-president-and-lambasting-the-muslim-brotherhood/
Though I think we all know how he would answer and yet look at the evidence.
one of my sister-in-laws is turkish. she actually predicted this to me a couple of years ago. said most thoughtful turks don't like erdogan and his ilk; say he couldn't sniff ataturk's jock and is a facist at heart.
This is no simple issue. As evidenced in the attached article Turkey has just become a dialogue member of the Shanghai Co-op Organisation having failed at EU integration. Having laid its intent bare we suddenly have a convenient excuse for a riot. Its all about Oil and Pipelines and the SCO is the Wests competition.
Read - http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/CEN-01-310513.html
Turks are eternally pissed off because Europe won't admit them into the fold. May have something to do with the Battle of Vienna c 1515 or so AD. They are only in NATO because the US found them useful in the Cold War. Otherwise Europeans don't really want anything to do with them. Which is too bad - the Turks ( present leadership aside) are among the world's most civilized people.
1529 and again 1683 were the two battles.
To get some european nation state perpective of that age : When Soliman of Ottomans attacked Charles and Ferdinand's Habsburgian Empire he was ally to France in 1529. WHen his successors attacked again in 1683 Louis XIV used that eastern front to attack the Habsburgs in the Rhineland, eternal bone of contention between France and Austro-germans.
Only good thing about the Vienna siege was the Viennese invented the croissant much to french delight. It also allowed the French to gain preeminence subsequently during the Enlightenment to influence Turkish culture in the context of the franco-turkish two and a half century alliance, that Napoleon then dissolved by invading Egypt, domain of Ottomans; and then his successors exploited Ottoman decadence to claim Algeria, then a satrapy of Turks.
The Turks today fed on secular Kemalism are pissed off with the return of obscurantist neo-ottomanism of Erdogan, all fueled by local Pax Americana divide n rule play in golden Oil patch; aka Sunni-Shia split in Irak; now in Syria/Lebanon.
Its time for some Enlightenment to return to first world and shove its spike of people's rage up the asses of this Oligarchy plague.
The Jews stick together .... they don't go off killing each other .... like these Muslims !
you obviously don't know the story of george soros then.
When Erdogan visited the White House and Obama said "Assad has to go", he perhaps wanted to say "both Assad and Erdogan have to go". Has Otpor been sighted yet? But Erdogan is a nasty piece of work though as is Assad. Not that the rebels in Syria are any better.
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Turkey bores me. Like Syria it is none of our business, no US interest there, I don't acknowledge NATO as a viable entity either so if they fail internally there is still no reason to give a damn. Hell, I don't even care if the Rooskies want to intervene! Let them, it's a shit-sandwich and they can have their fill!
What the MSM does not like to tell you:
Since weeks or even months there are demonstrations in Turkey against the policy of Erdogan. The demos occur in place where Muslims from Syria (Sunnis) are amassed (refugees). The Turks did not like them before, because they are Arabs with a culture very different from the Turks to say it mildly.
Now they often hate them. It is obviously for the Turks living close to Syria that the refugees are the ones having caused the problem. And it is also obvious for the Turks, that it is the plan of Erdogan to pull Turkey into a war against Syria. But the ordinary Turk living close to Syria does not like it. On the other side of the border there often live relatives. They hate Erdogan that he helps to attack their neighbours in Syria just because the US/UK wants it. In their opinion Erdogan is a traitor of the interest of the majority of the Turkish people. The Sunnis which fled to Turkey are hated by the local Turks because they get everything they need, even houses are confiscated for them. This is the reality how it was told to me by my neighbour, a Turk whose family lives close to the Syrian border at the Mediterrean Sea. This was a very peaceful place with moderate Muslims, Jews and Christians living side by side peaceful since long time. Now the Arab-Sunni refugees from Syria have changed the situation. And its common knowledge overthere that these Wahabi Arab-Sunnis do get money from Saudi Arabia.
"The economies of the 'Turkish Spring'" by Spengler @ www.atimes.com/
http://www.atimes.com/atime/Middle_East/MID-02-030613.html
Ps. Here's a little flood insurance for Sudan and Egypt via Ethiopia and the 'Blue-Nile-River... 'Hydro-Dam's'. This precious natural resource serves some 238 million people.
Approximately 85% of Nile River waters originate in Ethiopia, in contrast-- as mentioned above, quite similar to the Euphrates and Tigris rivers origination in Turkey.
"Dam will not significantly effect Egypt: Source 6/3/13 @ www.dailystar.com.lb/ http://www.dailystar.com.lb/Business/Middle-East/2013/June-03/219224-dam-will-not-significantly-effect-egypt-source.ashx#axzz2VBOKU45x
and today's headline: straight off the electronic-press regarding yesterdays old news report(?): 'Egyptian politicians: Sabotage Ethiopia's new Dam' by Hamza Hendawi (6/4/13) www.dailystar.com.lb/ http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2013/June-04/219402-egyptian-politicians-sabotage-ethiopia's-new-dam.ashx#axzz2VGUYC2EM
...and talk about a fluid (?) and dynamic (dynamite?) situation with the 'Muslim [Morsi?] Brotherhood' on the march into Lebanon heading east into Syria? Maybe?!
follow-up regarding... 'Water War's in the ME' __ Turkey (*Riparian) as noted above controls the Tigris and Euphrates river water. In 1996 Sryia obtained 80% of its water supply from these river diversions while Iraq is 100% dependent-- and it's gotten worse.**[this report is from Sept.7,2006 ]
Excerpt: "Water expert Arron T. wolf stated by 2015, nearly 3 billion people, or 40% of the expected world population, will be living in countries that have difficulty mobalising enough water to meet their industrial and domestic needs"
"Wars will be over water in the 21st Century", period!!!
Ref: "In depth: Running Dry: the humanitarian impact of the global water crisis" --- "Global: Water is running out: How inevitible are International conflicts?" http://www.irinnews.org/indepthmain.aspx?IndepthID=13&ReportId=61029
before it's new news?
Great link.
Your link did not work. But I was interested and found it.
http://www.meforum.org/3522/turkish-spring-economics
This is a really very interesting.