IRS Hearing II - The Wrath Of Werfel - Live Webcast

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With Lerner pleading 'da fif' and Steven Miller now long-gone, it is up 'new' IRS Acting Commissioner Daniel 'Danny-boy' Werfel to face the House subcommittee hearing music. While the focus (for now) is the IRS' targeting of conservative groups seeking tax-exempt status, we suspect the Dance-Prance-Revolution clips that have been so broadly disseminated this weekend may make an appearance.



and because we just couldn't resist...

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Mon, 06/03/2013 - 15:12 | 3620978 CaptainSpaulding
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No Steve Miller? Bring on Joe Cocker then.


Mon, 06/03/2013 - 15:25 | 3621051 macholatte
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“If there is ever a fascist takeover in America, it will come not in the form of storm troopers kicking down doors but with lawyers and social workers saying. "I'm from the government and I'm here to help.”
? Jonah Goldberg, Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left from Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning


“I believe in a relatively equal society, supported by institutions that limit extremes of wealth and poverty. I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I’m proud of it.”
? Paul Krugman


“The Marxians love of democratic institutions was a stratagem only, a pious fraud for the deception of the masses. Within a socialist community there is no room left for freedom.”
? Ludwig von Mises


Mon, 06/03/2013 - 15:34 | 3621078 PiltdownMan
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Will it come up that the cheapest Bronze Obamacare plan is $20,000 per year? And that the IRS is set to pursue and harrass (tax) non-enrollers? This guy likens the IRS to the bronze statue Talos from Jason and the Argonauts chasing down citizens.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 16:23 | 3621293 Buckaroo Banzai
Mon, 06/03/2013 - 18:42 | 3621767 TheFourthStooge-ing
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O Danny boy, the angry mob is callin'...

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 16:39 | 3621345 Buckaroo Banzai
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"The sole condition required in order to succeed in centralizing the supreme power in a democratic community is to love equality, or to get men to believe you love it.  Thus the science of despotism, which was once so complex, is simplified, and reduced, as it were, to a single principle."

--Alexis de Tocqueville

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 15:35 | 3621084 Gringo Viejo
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Ich Bin Ein Don't Recall.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 16:49 | 3621376 nmewn
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More on Lois Lerner...seems she used to be with the Federal Elections Commission.

She did such a thuggishly outstanding job there, she was promoted to the, IRS:

 CHICAGO - Former GOP U.S. Senate candidate Al Salvi's (photo right) revelation this week that IRS official Lois Lerner offered to drop the Federal Election Commission's (FEC) 1996 case against him if he promised to never run for office again was the proverbial tip of the iceberg.

"Before Lois Lerner (photo right) took us before the federal judge, her last offer was for me to promise to never run for office again. That was always part of their demands," Salvi said. "Before that last offer, another FEC representative that reported to Lerner wanted $200,000 and a promise not to run."

Knowing his $1.1 million campaign loan to himself was legal, Salvi rejected the initial settlement offer from FEC attorney Colleen Sealander. In later conversations, Sealander lowered the amount to $100,000, then $40,000, but always with the additional promise to never run for office again.

"Every time we talked, I refused the offer, and Colleen said she'd have to check with someone," Salvi said. "I finally told her I'd like to talk to whomever she reported. That's when I got a call from Lois Lerner."

"Poor customer service" a friggin joke.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 18:32 | 3621748 TheFourthStooge-ing
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No Steve Miller?

He flew like an eagle.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 15:02 | 3620985 DoChenRollingBearing
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While I certainly applaud any hearings into the loathsome IRS, and hope that maybe it will eventually be dismantled, I doubt that anything significant will come of all of this.

However, if there are real prosecutions and/or this leads to high-level Obama prosecutions (naah...), that might change some minds about there being no difference between the R-Team and the D-Team.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 15:05 | 3620996 mberry8870
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Want to bet a dime that I do something "significant" AND NON-VIOLENT? Real question.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 15:28 | 3621061 DoChenRollingBearing
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I would surely lose that bet, so "no"!  :)

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 15:03 | 3620990 l1b3rty
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I'd rather be mining bitcoins...

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 15:10 | 3621014 Sudden Debt
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wanne buy a 90.000 dollar bitcoin miner?
you'll break even in a easy 200 years from now!!!!
B A R G A I N !!!!!!

now what's it gona be? I got other buyers who are interest.... ring ring... SEE?!? BUYERS!!!
decide now... quick... before the cops show up...

Come on... I'll give you the 500 volume 90 pages each user manual for free...

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 15:35 | 3621081 Urban Roman
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Aha! I can tell that you have no idea what you're talking about, Sudden!

MANUAL!? You want a stinking manual? There is no manual. You had to be hanging out on the BC chatboards when the miner's ASIC was being designed. Otherwise, you'l have no idea how it works. 

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 15:04 | 3620993 mberry8870
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I, as an individual, never thought that the U.S. Constitution and the Amendments were imaginary constructs to be defiled and deformed with an onslaught of words, contortions or gimmickry with the objective(s) of giving preferences to one individual over another. I find these current deformations of our Country to be in direct contravention to not only the Founding Father’s intentions but also in direct contravention to the actual words written in the U.S. Constitution and the Amendments.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 15:07 | 3621007 RichardENixon
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Thank you for your comments. Your last 3 forms 1040 have been selected for a random compliance audit.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 15:48 | 3621132 mberry8870
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You sir are dead wrong, if you meant tax years 2012, 2011 and 2010. I haven't filed since 2010, partly because I haven't made a dime. But more importantly I have directly told the IRS, TIGTA and the DoJ I do not possess the mental capacity to understand the code, irrespective of the ‘‘Plain Writing Act of 2010’’.

Note the following:


(2) COVERED DOCUMENT.—The term ‘‘covered document’’—

(A) means any document that—

  (iii) explains to the public how to comply with a requirement the Federal Government administers or enforces;

(B) includes (whether in paper or electronic form) a letter, publication, form, notice, or instruction; and

(C) does not include a regulation.



(a) JUDICIAL REVIEW.—There shall be no judicial review of compliance or noncompliance with any provision of this Act. 5 USC 301 note. Publication. Web posting. 5 USC 301 note.


Mon, 06/03/2013 - 17:40 | 3621568 RichardENixon
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I stand rebuked. We at the IRS will commence procedures to disband the agency post haste!

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 20:11 | 3624959 mberry8870
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That sir is the objective!!!! Can you just imagine what benefits society at large could derive from people doing slightly more productive matters? Go to something non malleable (like bit coin) tithe 6% to government and on to Insectopia!!!!!

If you wan't disband I will "disband" you, non-violently of course.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 18:39 | 3621759 TheFourthStooge-ing
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There shall be no compliance with any provision of USC 301.

Fixed it for you.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 15:11 | 3621019 King Nothing
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Are you speaking of the once read "Life liberty and the pursuit of happiness" that now reads "You have the unalienable rights to Life Imprisoned and the pursuit of ultimate serfdom"

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 15:06 | 3621003 Sudden Debt
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who would have thought that the most interesting stuff in 2013....
would be... the IRS....

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 15:38 | 3621090 wisefool
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The dark lord is good at deception, but there is a level of sophistication at which he jumps the shark and the dumb sheep are no longer impressed.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 15:10 | 3621018 rosiescenario
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So a bunch of politicos will get air time as they ask the 'hard questions'.....and after all the sound and fury the tax code will be amended to further benefit those who have lobbyists on hand....

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 15:18 | 3621035 ejmoosa
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How long before they figure out they can use the IRS to target gun owners?

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 15:24 | 3621052 nonclaim
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They probably thought of that already but who wants to bugger an armed redneck...

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 15:39 | 3621092 seek
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Uh, ATF was a part of the IRS until 1972. They've been at this game a long, long time. ATF was still under the treasury dept. until 2002, when it got moved over to dept. of justice.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 15:24 | 3621053 Seasmoke
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Connect the Tribe dots

Lerner ..... Miller ...... Shulman ..... Werfel

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 16:57 | 3621412 Miss Expectations
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What if they were actually targeting Christians? Wouldn't that be something.


Mon, 06/03/2013 - 18:17 | 3621710 booboo
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M.E. you are a quick learner, not so much for the rest, they still think that giving Muzzies free reign, special exemptions, and the soon sole right of free speech is just an accident. They need to allow the barbarians into the gate to start their war on free men and balkanize the USA.  

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 15:28 | 3621054 Dr. Engali
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These political scumbags jumping on the latest band wagon make me sick. You fucks knew what the IRS was up to yet you did nothing, until now when it's convenient....well you won't do anything now except blow a lot of hot air. 

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 15:28 | 3621058 Bay of Pigs
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The IRS needs to be scrapped and replaced with flat taxes. 


Mon, 06/03/2013 - 15:36 | 3621086 insanelysane
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I can't comprehend how a progressive tax system is even legal.  Taxes are law and laws are supposed to treat everyone equally.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 16:30 | 3621318 Buckaroo Banzai
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Sorry, ANY income tax-- whether it is flat or progressive-- is slavery. When the government gets paid for your labor before you do, you aren't free.

If you are talking about flat consumption tax, well, I guess that's consistent with Liberty.

How about reducing the size of the Federal Gubmint by 95% instead?

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 18:19 | 3621716 TheFourthStooge-ing
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The IRS needs to be scrapped,

along with everything else in Vichy DC,

and replaced with

not a goddamned thing.

Return the land it sits on to Maryland and Virginia, if they want it.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 15:28 | 3621063 rtalcott
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another 'effing weasel.....

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 15:29 | 3621068 wisefool
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There is going to be a huge debate about 501c3's and 501c4's. But there will be Zero discussion of 501c5's which is the section regulating government unions. The former IRS chief is a member ...  he is not a political donor ... but his wife is ... but they file their 1040's seprately ... except when they go to the Easter Egg Roll at the white house together....

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 15:39 | 3621096 Dr. Venkman
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Holy Shit its Justin Timberlake.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 15:41 | 3621105 Hulk
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Slightly off topic, but I have just finished watching a video by Stefan Molyneux titled

"There will be no economic recovery". Great facts and figures presented here on our financial situation!

I have never heard of this fellow before, does anyone have an opinion on him ???

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 15:57 | 3621172 Dave Thomas
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Some other philisophers on the interwebs deem Stephan as making shit up from time to time. Some folks say he's running a cult, if you read into some of the De-FOOing it's a little weird. But his commentaries on the state and such are spot on. He goes into weird areas that unsettle some folks so he makes a great target for ridicule but a lot of the stuff he puts out there is kind of airtight.

I loved his peice on the Olympics, he used the term "Rich Dicks on Ice." < -- Classic Molyneux

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 17:48 | 3621588 Hulk
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Thanks ! 

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 15:42 | 3621107 jay28elle
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Bull shit...  tell the kid that he better cooperate or we kick his butt.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 15:56 | 3621169 El Oregonian
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Kick his butt???

He spills his guts or he'll be corn-holed by Cell Block D for his entire stay at our facility!

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 15:58 | 3621175 ZippyBananaPants
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Who fucking elected this idiot lady?

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 16:06 | 3621212 wisefool
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I got an Andrew Jackson that says the Werfel guy cries before the end of this hearing. He has been close several times.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 16:24 | 3621298 wisefool
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There it is 16:23 EST. he let out a solid wimper. Let the tears flow son! Let us feel your pain!

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 16:08 | 3621220 mpodval
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If you pause the lower video at 2:53, all congressmen will appear to have awesome orange pants.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 16:21 | 3621278 mpodval
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1:46 sorry

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 16:28 | 3621308 djsmps
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I just had the sound on while I was working on something.. After a while, I switched to this page. Holy Crap! I thought that was a woman talking.

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!