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This Is What The IRS Spends Your Money On

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Moments ago, the Treasury inspector general for tax administration, the same source as the crushing report exposing the IRS persecution of conservative groups, released a report highlighting the spending and "questionable expensing" by IRS staff who blew through $49 million across 225 conferences between 2010 and 2012. The source of the money was largely unused cash meant to hire more enforcement agents. Instead it was spent on things like the previously mentioned Star Trek parody, ad hoc drawn paintings of Abraham Lincoln and "motivational speakers" whose primary requirement is to be flown in first class.

Before getting into the details of just how the IRS spent the tax money it itself collected, here is the summary of the report:

In April 2012, the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration received an allegation about an August 2010 Internal Revenue Service (IRS) conference held in Anaheim, California, (hereafter referred to as the Anaheim conference or the conference) that may have involved excessive spending. The Small Business/Self-Employed (SB/SE) Division held the conference, entitled "Leading into the Future," for its entire management staff. According to information provided by the IRS, this conference was provided to 2,609 employees at an estimated cost of approximately $4.1 million.

Where did the money come from:

According to SB/SE Division management, the SB/SE Division was allocated $132.7 million in the IRS's FY 2010 budget to hire 1,315 full-time employees.

Or roughly $100,000 per agent: one can see why the IRS is incentivized to collect as much as possible. After all, any leftover cash will be promptly spent on "conventions."

So what exactly was the cash used for?

First, here is the breakdown of all IRS conferences in the period 2010-2012. 225 conferences in 3 years (over 70 per year), costing $48.6 million, averaging $216,141 each. Morale at the IRS must truly have been abysmal if it needs this much "group-building" activity and entertainment.

Narrowing it down to the infamous Anaheim conference:

Drilling down some more, here is how much just the guest speakers were paid at the same conference:

The motivational level must have been at all time highs. But it gets better:

For the conference, SB/SE Division management contracted with 15 outside speakers for presentations at a total cost of $135,350.... One keynote speaker was contracted to perform two keynote speeches that lasted approximately one hour each, and the speaker was paid $17,000. According to the contract signed by the IRS, this speaker was "uniquely qualified to deliver this presentation because of the combination of his artistic abilities and his presentation skills. In each presentation, he will create a unique painting that reinforces his message of unlearning the rules, breaking the boundaries, and freeing the thought process to find creative solutions to challenges."

The speaker was Eric Wahl: "artist, author, performer." More importantly, he is an artist:

The speaker created six paintings at these two keynote sessions (three at each session). These paintings consisted of the following portraits: Albert Einstein (one); Michael Jordan (one); Abraham Lincoln (one); U2 singer Bono (one); and the Statute of Liberty (two).


At each session, one attendee was selected by the speaker and presented with one of the paintings. SB/SE Division management indicated that three paintings were donated to the Combined Federal Campaign as auction items (these paintings were sold for $75, $130, and $380). SB/SE Division management stated that the final painting prepared during these presentations was lost. Figure 2 shows an example of a painting prepared during the conference.



The second keynote speaker was paid $27,500 (including travel expenses) for two speeches lasting approximately one hour each. According to the contract signed by the IRS, this speaker was uniquely qualified because the presentation was based on a book published by the speaker, and the speaker "will share how seemingly random combinations of ideas can drive radical innovations. His concept of Intersectional Ideas illustrates how ideas from different fields can be combined to generate new solutions to existing challenges. According to the contract, this speaker's fee of $27,500 included a $2,500 flat fee for travel, which the contracting officer authorized to accommodate first-class travel. "

The speaker in question is this Frans Johannson. According to this twitter profile, he is "the author of The Medici Effect and The Click Moment, dragon slayer, innovation thought leader, speaker and CEO of The Medici Group."

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what is known as the public sector trickle-down effect, which keeps motivational speakers (and artists) among the 1%.


Next we get to the infamous Star Trek Video...

As previously stated, the IRS reported that it expended $50,187 on "videos" for the conference, but was unable to provide any details supporting this cost. We determined that SB/SE Division management showed several videos at the conference, including a Star Trek parody and another video entitled "SB/SE Shuffle."


The conference theme was "Leading into the Future," with a Star Trek parody video shown at the beginning of the conference. This video consisted of a scripted presentation featuring SB/SE Division executives portraying Star Trek characters in a tax-themed parody.


SB/SE Division management stated that the purpose of the video was to open the conference by highlighting "current issues facing the IRS and SB/SE [Division] in the leadership arena and set the stage for the many topics being covered at the conference." According to SB/SE Division management, the SB/SE Division Commissioner verbally approved the creation of the video.


Although SB/SE Division management did not track a specific cost associated with producing the Star Trek video, we determined the following:

  • The Star Trek video was approximately 5 minutes and 40 seconds long and featured SB/SE Division executives in Star Trek costumes on a mock set of the Starship Enterprise. Per the SB/SE Division, employees purchased the costumes using personal funds.
  • The IRS constructed a mock set at its television studio located in New Carrollton, Maryland, at a cost of $2,400. However, SB/SE Division  management  does not have any documentation supporting this amount.
  • IRS personnel located at its New Carrollton television studio worked on the video production. The average grade for these IRS employees was a General  Schedule-14.
  • The SB/SE Division estimated that it takes 11 hours of staff work to produce one minute of finished video. Based on the length of the Star Trek  video,  we estimate it took approximately 62 staff hours to produce the final video. At a minimum hourly rate of 50.00 for a General Schedule-14 employee, this converts to approximately $3,100 in staff time.
  • No documentation was maintained to track any costs associated with the development of the other production costs, such as the script development, makeup, lighting, and videotaping.

... Then on to lodgings:

As part of the Letters of Intent with the hotels, the IRS received a certain number of free rooms per night as well as suite upgrades that were used by IRS personnel. Federal employees traveling for work are paid for their lodging costs plus a fixed amount for meals (per diem). As part of the agreement, the hotels charged the IRS the Federal Government rate of $135 per night for all rooms (including suites) provided.


Specifically, the Letters of Intent indicate that 93 suite upgrades were provided by the Hilton, 33 by the Marriott, and six by the Sheraton each night of the conference. This represents 4.7 percent of the 2,830 rooms that the hotels agreed to reserve in the Letters of Intent.


Although the per diem rate of $135 was charged by the hotels, we determined the rack rates13 for the upgraded rooms provided ranged from $299 per night to $1,500 per night, depending on the room and the hotel. For example, the Commissioner, SB/SE Division, stayed five nights in a Presidential Suite at the Marriott. This room is described as having a private bedroom, living area, conference table, wet bar, and billiard table. We spoke with a Marriott representative who stated that this suite currently retails for $3,500 per night."

The IRS per diem...

Federal employees traveling for work are paid a fixed amount for meals (per diem). In Calendar Year 2010, the meal and incidental expenses allowance for Anaheim, California, was $71 per day. According to the Federal Travel Regulations, employees are not required to reduce their per diem reimbursement for complimentary meals provided by a hotel or motel.

And so on. Much more in the full report below.


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Tue, 06/04/2013 - 14:33 | 3624152 Gringo Viejo
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As long as you have sports and beer, nobody's gonna give a shit. That comes when peoples' children start going hungry.
We're not there yet.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 14:43 | 3624183 flacon
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Does the IRS pay taxes or is that like asking if Public Servants pay taxes? What did Ben Bernanke's tax return look like? If I rob my right hand to pay to my left hand do I become wealthy?

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 14:58 | 3624230 MillionDollarBonus_
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At least the IRS keep their books in order, unlike many ‘small businesses’ that routinely fail to comply with accounting regulations, creating miles of red tape for auditors. There are certain areas in which we need entrepreneurship, such as in green technologies. But most of today's 'small businesses' are a net cost to society because they have to be constantly monitored and audited by regulators. 

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:00 | 3624239 CH1
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Lick your overlord's feet, slave!

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:13 | 3624285 francis_sawyer
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Jump  to    bitcoins ............      Make     yourself      some     tax      free        capital         gains...          Then    ~~~       brag       about      it         on a public              internet                  blog...         

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 17:26 | 3624618 Go Tribe
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Basically those fucks do no work. One day, one day....

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 18:26 | 3624745 nmewn
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"The speaker was Eric Wahl: "artist, author, performer." More importantly, he is an artist:"

Whoop...and there's a little shadow living outside the sunlight, its too bright for him, he lives right the tree...someplaces the tree goes down...sometimes it goes up...isn't he a cute little rascal?...yes, thats fun.


Tue, 06/04/2013 - 23:08 | 3625331 StychoKiller
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Bob Ross was an amazing guy, despite the "happy clouds" and friendly bushes/trees.

Wed, 06/05/2013 - 06:39 | 3625620 nmewn
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Yes, he was. I would catch him occasionally while I was channel surfing, pause and watch. I enjoy art, mostly because I'm not much of an

Still, I wouldn't pay anyone 17k just to watch them paint ;-)

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:02 | 3624244 Gringo Viejo
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@ MDB It's a given tenet of psychiatry that those incapable of positive social interaction, seek out negative attention as opposed to having none at all.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:07 | 3624266 CrimsonAvenger
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Keeps their books in order? Maybe you didn't read down far enough to see how they failed to keep documentation on many of their expenses, something they would crucify you or me for doing (okay, maybe not you).

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:10 | 3624274 Buckaroo Banzai
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MDB is a benign troll. You've been had.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:36 | 3624356 tenpanhandle
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I still dislike him.  He (whatever) is a douche.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 17:22 | 3624611 Bay of Pigs
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Easy now, he's a Tyler(s) sock puppet.

All in good fun...where do think most of us learned how to spot trolls and sarc it up?

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:15 | 3624289 EvlTheCat
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I hope you stabbed yourself in the eye after you wrote that crap.  Satirical or not, you assume the miles of red tape are created by the 'small business' owners?  I don't remember the little guy being asked to share his fountain of knowledge when the tax code was being aborted to life.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:25 | 3624313 Roandavid
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That there is pure unadulterated trolling brilliance, even by MDB's exhaulted standard.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 17:22 | 3624609 shovelhead
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I like watching the puppies chase the little red laser dot.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 18:39 | 3624780 The Gooch
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"Laser Gazing"


Tue, 06/04/2013 - 16:38 | 3624529 Kirk2NCC1701
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Technically, MDB is correct.  But... that's because of the "Few Rotten Apples..." syndrome, that's causing them to 'discriminate'.  Also, there are a LOT more small businesses than medium or large businesses.  So it becomes a math/stats exercise. Nothing to get overly excited over. 

Our issues with the IRS are more fundamental, in that they are the "Enforcers" for the NY Financial Mob.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 17:16 | 3624598 Dave Thomas
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I can't believe you're so racist MDB, those cashed based Nail Salons and Taco Vending wagons are the spice and diversity that makes American small buisiness great.

Here's what Herr MDB Really wants to say:

But most of today's 'Minority off the Books businesses' are a net cost to society because they have to be constantly monitored and audited by regulators.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 17:21 | 3624605 jumbo maverick
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MDB this was by far your greatest effort yet. Your last sentence really nailed it. If people don't get you from that then they never will.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 17:51 | 3624670 Slightly Insane
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Million Dollar Shit For Brains .... the IRS can do whatever the fuck it wants .... they don't have to keep "books" you shit for brains .... they collect taxes .... plain and simple!  There are no laws that they follow .... they are immune to everything and everyone!

I wish the fuck you and your green technology would take a hike!  (Get a fucking engineering degree, then come back to me on your Green Technology .... monitor that you slackjawed, 70 IQ, government asshole .... "Wesley Mouch douchebag").

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 18:33 | 3624762 nmewn
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"At least the IRS keep their books in order, unlike many ‘small businesses’ that routinely fail to comply with accounting regulations, creating miles of red tape for auditors."

The IRS doesn't even know the difference between 501(c)(3)'s & 4's & 5's...or they do and became criminals.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 18:55 | 3624819 BigSpruce
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Coming from the mouth of someone with his belly full - all made possible by numerous small business and the free market. Do us all a favor cunt and shut the fuck up !

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 18:59 | 3624825 BigSpruce
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Coming from the mouth of someone whose belly is full - thanks in part to numerous small businesses and the free market. Do us all a favor and get lost - you fuckn statist!

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 20:21 | 3624983 Dick Buttkiss
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Nice one, MDB.  All your downvotes would be upvotes if they got your sarc, but they don't.

Discouraging, considering how long you've been doing this and the presumed level of intelligence on ZH.

Wed, 06/05/2013 - 07:49 | 3625687 esum
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Small businesses make up:

99.7 percent of U.S. employer firms,

64 percent of net new private-sector



49.2 percent of private-sector employment,

42.9 percent of private-sector payroll,

46 percent of private-sector output,

43 percent of high-tech employment,

98 percent of firms exporting goods, and

33 percent of exporting value.


Source: U.S. Census Bureau, SUSB, CPS; International Trade Administration; Bureau of Labor Statistics, BED; Advocacy-funded research,





Tue, 06/04/2013 - 16:23 | 3624502 TheFulishBastid
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SSOooo tax exempt!

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 14:43 | 3624187 Richard Chesler
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Executing Obozo's corrupt agenda has its privileges.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 22:11 | 3625243 sgorem
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LONG LIVE ANDREW JOSEPH STACK III....................................

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 14:33 | 3624153 bigrooster
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Someone needs to audit those assholes!

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 14:48 | 3624202 20834A
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And they have NO DOCUMENTATION of some expenses?! WTF?

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:07 | 3624246 CH1
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Agreed, but why should they give a shit? Everyone will comply just the same.

Until people cease to obey, they have no reason to change.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:17 | 3624294 Buckaroo Banzai
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This is all a fucking sideshow. Instead of being outraged at how much the IRS wastes, and how politically corrupt they are, we need to be outraged at the very existence of a tax on wages in the first place.

This is a classic Hegelian-style distraction/diversion.

THESIS: The IRS is wasteful and corrupt

ANTITHESIS: The IRS must be reformed

SYNTHESIS: A "flat tax" on wages will be proposed, and maybe even passed, in order to make the IRS "more fair". Those who question the legitimacy of the tax itself will be marginalized.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 16:17 | 3624486 Liquid Courage
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But the tax on wages is temporary. I'm sure they'll rescind it any day now just like they promised.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 17:51 | 3624669 Freedom In Your...
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I really wish more people understood this. Fucking corrupt ass organization in a corrupt as government and people don't even realize it.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 18:43 | 3624790 The Gooch
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Wed, 06/05/2013 - 07:24 | 3625654 Disenchanted
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Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:02 | 3624247 HelluvaEngineer
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Man, I hope they don't get audited!

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:11 | 3624276 kralizec
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What is SB/SE?  Sucking Butts and Shooting Excrement?

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:34 | 3624347 ElvisDog
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Well, hookers don't generally give you documentation of their expenses.....

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:42 | 3624368 tenpanhandle
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Call Girl Principle:  "The value of the services rapidly diminish after the service has been performed."  I think that is a FASB rule.

 ...therefore after the fact, zero is the value reported.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 14:35 | 3624163 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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And spending 60,000 (small change) in the scheme of things for professional training videos spoofing pop culture like Star Trek here.

This so bad it is almost entertaining but not quite there like Super Infra-Man.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 14:36 | 3624167 Evil Bugeyes
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The IRS spends money intended to hire more enforcement agents on Star Trek videos? That is actually a good thing.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 14:39 | 3624175 SamAdams
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Tue, 06/04/2013 - 14:55 | 3624220 20834A
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Until their apologists whine that they screwed up on the 501c's because the task was too big and manpower too small. "Shovel more money to us, chum...citizens, we're drowning here."

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 17:39 | 3624638 bonin006
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Finally, someone sees clearly.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 14:36 | 3624168 Jena
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"More importantly, he is an artist"

This is what gives some of those kids getting their BAs and MFAs hope.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 14:37 | 3624170 PiltdownMan
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Hunting me down?

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 14:40 | 3624177 jcaz
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LOL- $6K spent on lanyards and badgeholders-  sweeet!!!

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 14:53 | 3624213 NotApplicable
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Well, it can never be an official conference otherwise!

This site sells combos for as little as $0.15 ea. I'm guessing though, that they didn't buy 40k of the damn things, but got some really fancy ones instead.


Tue, 06/04/2013 - 16:13 | 3624474 object_orient
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I'm often amazed at the extremely overpriced items on Amazon sold by a single vendor. Usually it's electronics that are a generation or two outdated. My theory is that a buddy, who works as a purchasing agent for the government, buys these things.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 14:40 | 3624178 RSloane
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And these are the assholes that are in charge of Obamacare. Which morons thought that was a good idea? Let's find out who they were and get them spots in the next mental Special Olympics.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 14:41 | 3624180 Dr. Engali
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The fuckers need to be hung.

Off topic ... Gas prices just jumped over $4.10 a gallon here for the first time ever here. It's gone up .60¢ in the past two weeks.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 14:57 | 3624227 Bobbyrib
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I paid $3.35/gln for regular in NJ over the weekend. Premium or do you live in the middle of nowhere?

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:01 | 3624243 Dr. Engali
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That price is for regular. Our previous high was $3.99 back when oil was $150. a barrel. I live in a city in Indiana, with a population of about 50,000.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:04 | 3624256 Tsunami Wave
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Here in Michigan around Detroit it's $4.19!! WTF!

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:10 | 3624272 Agent P
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At those prices, it's no longer economical to burn down a house in Detroit.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:13 | 3624283 Dr. Engali
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+ 1 lol.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:24 | 3624312 Ness.
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$4.49 for the cheap stuff in Chicago.  #winning

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 18:22 | 3624732 jimmytorpedo
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Go to Europe for a week and rent a Tahoe you whining pussies.

You pay more for water bottled one county over.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 23:58 | 3625396 ceilidh_trail
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We only pay $3.89 for regular in the Cincinnati area. But hey, there has to be some consolation for living in an area with the IRS branch that cares so well for J.Q. Public. Plus, as an added sweetner, this is where Sebelius came from...

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:35 | 3624337 Tsunami Wave
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Haha. Yeah you're right. We'll now have to go back to the old fashioned way of burning down houses in the D. With matches and cheap alcohol, and only the driest wooden houses to set ablaze (of course after stripping out the copper and other valuables).

But in all realness I unfortunately need to get my gas now between 5 and 8 mile because its too fucking expensive to get it everywhere else.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:46 | 3624388 Hulk
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R. Dean Taylor would find leaving Indiana quite expensive these dayz...

Wed, 06/05/2013 - 08:44 | 3625806 Bobbyrib
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Wow. I wonder why we get gas so cheap. I know we have refineries in NJ, so we get cheaper gas than most of the rest of the states, but that is ridiculous.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 16:44 | 3624538 Kirk2NCC1701
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Big deal.  Ppl won't be marching till it's much higher.  Hint:  You don't see Canadians protesting openly about their $5.50/gal, or the Brits, French, Germans, Austrians or PIIGS going all ape for their $7-8/gal.

Store up or plan accordingly.  Can we get back to the main thread now?

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:05 | 3624265 insanelysane
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GW and Big Oil, GW and Big Oil, GW and Big Oil is all we fucking heard from the MSM until BO was elected and then............crickets.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:07 | 3624267 HelluvaEngineer
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Bask in the glorious Wealth Effect!

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:27 | 3624319 alien-IQ
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Re: Gas prices...I believe the proper CNBCism for it is "bullish".

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:51 | 3624405 insanelysane
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Yes, cause it leads to a report where consumer spending is UP!  Which they hope everyone thinks means that the consumers are buying iCrap instead of just food and fuel.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 17:05 | 3624570 azzhatter
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3.99 here

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 14:42 | 3624181 One And Only
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$901 on sleeves for puzzle pieces?

WTF does that even mean?

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 14:43 | 3624186 ParkAveFlasher
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Must. Keep. Federal. Puzzles. Sleeved.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 14:57 | 3624225 Pure Evil
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With over two thousand goons packed together in a few hotels there's bound to be some monkey business going on. I wouldn't doubt sleeves for puzzle pieces are the equivalent of latex protection for Olympic athletes.

Even the head honcho staying in the Presidential suite needs some nightly entertainment.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:31 | 3624340 Things that go bump
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How did they expense the hookers and coke?

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:52 | 3624411 insanelysane
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According to reports they didn't need to detail out expenses in 2010 but that has changed, trust them.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 14:54 | 3624215 Agent P
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Never question Bruce Dickinson!

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 14:42 | 3624182 Bear
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Don't ask, don't tell ... these clowns are not getting any more of my money.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:46 | 3624392 tenpanhandle
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you just ignored your second rule.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 14:44 | 3624188 B2u
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Better than spending the money on enforcement.  Time to file an amended return and see if I can get a few more bucks for sports and beer.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 14:59 | 3624234 NotApplicable
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Don't worry, they'll just get back in line for another handout.

After all, somebody has to be hired to manage all of those hollow-points.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 14:46 | 3624197 williambanzai7
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Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:05 | 3624261 Tsunami Wave
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This made me chuckle loudly at work just now.. LOL. +1

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:13 | 3624284 kralizec
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Hell Yeah!  There should not be an IRS, period!!!

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:19 | 3624299 ParkAveFlasher
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Lady Liberty is the real Dr. Copper.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:31 | 3624339 WillyGroper
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Is this one in regards to the Supreme's new ruling on involuntary DNA samples?

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:42 | 3624367 Vince Clortho
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Some modifications to bring this statue up to date:

Replace the Noose with a big sledge hammer.

Nobody in Washington believes in Liberty these days.

Rename it to "Statue of Crush the Middle Class".

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 14:51 | 3624200 TheObsoleteMan
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I'd rather they spend the $ on playing Hollywood than to use the $ hiring new agents. Besides, I have an idea for their next movie parody: Planet of the Apes. IRS agents return to earth in the future, after the world's central bankers have blown it up. Funny, apes are running things today. Our First Lady even looks like "Zira" too!

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 14:59 | 3624235 Pure Evil
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That's muslim-ape hate speech my friend, expect dickHolder from DOJ to knock on your door any minute now.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 14:48 | 3624201 tarsubil
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They wasted a couple thousand on a stupid video? If a big whig in the government passes gas, 100K somewhere disappears. How else do you think we get 4 trillion dollars in spending a year? It isn't by producing 1 billion star trek videos. 

Fun fact. If the US spent its budget producing star trek videos at about 1000 dollars a minute. It could produce a star trek saga with a running time of almost 2000 years, every year.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:46 | 3624391 aerojet
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That would be a shyte sight better than using it to blow up brown people in the dusty parts of the planet.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 16:12 | 3624470 Tortfeasor
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Don't worry, they'll be blowing up all colors of people here at home soon.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 17:06 | 3624574 TheObsoleteMan
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They aren't blowing them up because they are brown you dummy, it is for what is in the ground. They didn't bother to check the skin color from 1940 through 1945 either, as many more white people have died from "allied" bombing than brown. A ratio of about a thousand to one. Take your racial politics over to Huffpo, they eat that shit up over there.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 14:50 | 3624207 Agent P
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Wasteful spending by a government agency?  No way!

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:00 | 3624238 NotApplicable
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If only the IRS was actually a government agency...

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 18:03 | 3624209 CaptainSpaulding
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Damn it Jim.. Im a doctor, Not a Tyler(s)

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 14:53 | 3624211 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Just a reminder Obama and boys still are still at backdoor gun control. First they tried drying up ammo supply by bullet purchases through the DHS and now they are using the EPA and environmental concerns to shut down ammo production.

Obama’s EPA Attempts To Ban Ammunition

A federal court on Thursday halted — at least for the time being — an effort by the Environmental Protection Agency to ban all ammunition containing lead, much to the dismay of gun control groups hoping to use environmentalism to “make an end run around the Second Amendment” right of access to ammunition, according to officials from several organizations representing gun owners and manufacturers.

The U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia ruled that it had dismissed a lawsuit brought by the anti-hunting Center for Biological Diversity and six other left-wing groups which demanded that President Barack Obama’s powerful EPA ban traditional ammunition containing lead components.

Federal Judge Emmet G. Sullivan dismissed CBD’s lawsuit, finding that CBD’s current petition was nothing more than an attempt to seek reconsideration of their previous petition, which the EPA had denied. Judge Sullivan also indicated that he would defer to EPA’s determination that the agency was not congressionally authorized to regulate lead-based ammunition, according to the Institute for Legislative Action of the NRA.

Traditional ammunition represents 95 percent of the U.S. market and is the staple ammunition for target shooters, hunters and law enforcement, with more than 10 billion rounds sold annually, according to officials with theNational Shooting Sports Foundation.

Last August, the NSSF had filed a motion to dismiss the federal lawsuit initiated by EPA attorneys at the behest of environmental and control activist groups.


More detailed information on this story

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:03 | 3624255 Pure Evil
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You forgot to mention that OtraitorousAsshole plans on signing the UN arms control treaty without being ratified the US Senate.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:10 | 3624273 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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He can sign it but it won't be enforced state side without Congress approving it. He is signing it because he a spiteful prick and this is nothing more than to antagonize all the pro-gun people and groups.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 17:17 | 3624600 TheObsoleteMan
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Wish I owned a piece of Barnes! Seriously, if this happens, everyone will just go to all copper bullets.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 18:00 | 3624686 dtwn
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With tungsten penetrators. 

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 14:53 | 3624212 pragmatic hobo
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"IRS persecution of conservative groups"

give me a break ... this "persecution" thing started because these conservative groups en-mass declared bogus tax-exempt status.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:02 | 3624245 NotApplicable
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So? Taxation is theft. (the "real" reason this "persecution" thing started)

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:11 | 3624251 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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I'm sure they thoroughly scrutinized and audited this group like the Tea Party groups for their tax exempt status because we tend to disregard our laws in the name of "National Security'. I'm sure they came up smelling roses before the IRS put their exemption through. No conspiracies here since they apply their rules evenly and fairly with no bias.

IRS exempts terror front group over tea party Reinstated despite years of delinquent filings

At the same time the Internal Revenue Service delayed or denied requests for tax-exempt status from hundreds of conservative non-profit groups, it was quietly restoring the tax-exempt status of an Islamist front group accused of collaborating with terrorists.

Last year, the politicized agency reinstated the Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations’ tax-exempt status despite years of delinquent tax filings. CAIR officials had met with officials inside the White House before the decision was made.

Though Democrat-connected CAIR did not officially endorse Obama, many of its staffers helped turn out the Muslim vote for his re-election. CAIR boasted that its own polling showed more than 85 percent of Muslim-Americans voted for Obama.

In 2011, the IRS stripped the group’s national office of its nonprofit status for failure to file annual tax reports as required by federal law.

The moved followed requests by then-Rep. Sue Myrick, R-N.C., and other congressional leaders asking the IRS to investigate after the 2009 bestseller “Muslim Mafia” called attention to CAIR’s missing IRS filings and foreign donations.


During the years CAIR failed to disclose its donors to the government, it solicited funds from Libya, Sudan and other terror-sponsoring foreign governments, according to “Muslim Mafia.” CAIR is not registered as a foreign agent.

CAIR repeatedly failed to file its annual disclosure report, IRS Form 990. CAIR blames a clerical error for the delinquency and claims to have completed the forms. However, several news organizations, including and Gannett Co., have asked CAIR for the 2007-2010 documents, and CAIR has not been able to produce them.

“Given CAIR’s status as an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation terror-financing case, this failure to comply with federal disclosure laws is all the more troubling,” U.S. Rep. Frank Wolf, the co-chairman of the Congressional Human Rights Caucus, wrote the IRS in a separate request for investigation in 2011.

CAIR’s terrorist ties run deep. The Justice Department lists it among U.S. front groups for Hamas, a Palestinian terrorist organization. And several CAIR officials have been convicted or deported on terrorism-related charges.

The FBI says that until suspicious ties between the leadership of CAIR and that of Hamas are resolved, it will no longer work with CAIR as a partner in counter-terrorism efforts.

Despite these red flags, the IRS in June 2012 sent CAIR-Foundation Inc. a letter stating the controversial nonprofit had regained its tax-exempt
status as a 501(c)3. At the same time, the IRS demanded tea party and other patriot groups turn over donor rolls, membership lists and contacts with political figures, among other things, before the agency would consider granting tax-exempt status to them.

CAIR Foundation, which is listed at the same 453 New Jersey Ave. address as CAIR’s national headquarters in Washington, told the Washington Post that “all the paperwork issues have been resolved” concerning the organization.

However, WND has obtained CAIR-Foundation Inc.’s latest filing, and even this tax document is incomplete. It is a partial return for the calendar year 2011, covering only the period from Aug. 9, 2011, to Dec. 31, 2011. The final page of the return, in fact, requests an extension from the IRS.

“Additional time is required to obtain information necessary in filing a complete and accurate return,” states CAIR’s accountant Joey Musmar.

The filing says the organization solicited $3,964,990 in gifts, grants and other contributions that “were not tax deductible.” An annual fundraiser raised a net $106,879.

At the beginning of 2011, CAIR’s liabilities exceeded its assets by $940,279.

It also owed “CAIR Inc.” $722,261 for “charity consulting.” This amount is listed as a “loan.” CAIR Inc. is listed as a “C Corp.”

CAIR insists its tax returns for 2007-2010 exist. Yet it still won’t produce them, despite repeated requests. According to the IRS, nonprofits must make their tax returns available to the public upon request.

CAIR lists Todd Gallinger, director of chapter development, as its contact for such matters, at (202) 488-8787 and

It’s not clear what, if anything, the IRS investigated concerning CAIR’s filings. The agency did not respond to requests for comment.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 16:35 | 3624446 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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One would hope Holder and DOJ violated as many Constitutional Amendments as possiblein the name of 'national security' to may sure they weren't giving aid and confort to terrorists in violation of the NDAA like they did with the news reporters and Bradley Manning. We need to be safe at all costs and in unlike Animal Farm some terrorist funding organizations are not moar equal than others because we are a democratic and nonmarxist country that isn't centrally manipulated and controlled from finance down to the media and insurance.........

One would hope in the name of 'national security' they would have violated the shit out of their rights like they did to the populace in Mass. chasing after a single 19 year old terrorist bomber. I would hope a group that funds groups like Hamas is not less less equal than a 19 year old with a crockpot and ball bearings and we aren't a Marxist run animal farm by a bunch of Fabian Socialists practicing their wolf in sheeps clothing symbolism on the US supporting terrorist groups and organizations with the ultimate goal of destabilizing this country all in the name of 'war on terror' in the name of 'national security'. Nothing inverted there or Fabian like with using that sort of tactic now is there.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 16:45 | 3624537 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Only more proof Obama and the boys have America's best interest at heart. Not as current but reinforces that confirmation bias and that this is all conspiracy theory tinfoil hat dickweed stuff.


A four-year FBI investigation into the transfer of classified weapons technology to China and other countries from NASA’s Ames Research Center is being stonewalled by government officials, sources tell

Documents obtained by, which summarize these and other allegations and were given to congressional sources last week by a whistle-blower, described how a “secret grand jury” was to be convened in February 2011 to hear testimony from informants in the case, including a senior NASA engineer. But federal prosecutor Gary Fry was removed from the case, which was then transferred from one office in the Northern District of California to another where, according to the documents, “this case now appears to be stalled.”

“The information is staggering,” the whistle-blower told

A Justice Department spokesman on Thursday told it “does not comment on grand jury proceedings,” as a matter of longstanding policy. Fry, reached for comment late Thursday, also would not confirm or deny the claim.

The claims originate with several past and current NASA employees concerned with the systemic leak of highly sensitive information relating to missile defense systems, as well as what they call a troubled investigation into the leak.

The documents claim the FBI has been working with other agencies since 2009 on an investigation into foreign nationals working at Ames. This follows allegations by two Republican lawmakers earlier this month that the U.S. attorney’s office in the Northern California district was ultimately denied by the Justice Department when it tried to proceed with indictments.

Melinda Haag, the U.S. attorney for the Northern District of California, denied claims her office was blocked in trying to proceed with the case. 

“I am aware of allegations our office sought authority from DOJ in Washington, D.C. to bring charges in a particular matter and that our request was denied,” she said in a written statement. “Those allegations are untrue. No such request was made and no such denial was received.”

Yet two members of Congress, Reps. Frank Wolf, R-Va., and Lamar Smith, R-Texas, said in a statement to that Haag’s denial “conflicts with information we have received from federal law enforcement sources,” and added “we hope that the DOJ Inspector General will take our request seriously.” The lawmakers had requested, via letter, an IG investigation.

Rob Storch, a spokesman for the DOJ inspector general’s office, confirmed to the office received the letter from Wolf and Smith. “We’re evaluating (the letter),” he said.

Located in the heart of Silicon Valley, the Ames Research Center has been a center of high tech innovation for more than 60 years. As the space agency’s mission has changed over the years since it was built, NASA has turned it into a commercial research facility, leasing out space to a number of companies including rocket firm SpaceX and tech giant Google, which leases 42 acres there through a holding company called Planetary Ventures.

The accusations stem from a reported violation of the International Traffic in Arms Regulation (ITAR), which governs the export of defense weaponry. In 2006, Ames adapted specialized rocket engines -- originally developed for the Pentagon missile defense “Kinetic Kill Vehicle” program -- for a moon lander prototype that ultimately became NASA’s Lunar Atmosphere and Dust Environment Explorer (LADEE). The robotic moon orbiter is set to launch on Aug. 12, 2013.

Information on guidance and terrain-mapping systems from the Tomahawk cruise missile and a radar from the F-35 were also shared, according to one report in Aviation Week.

"When I mentioned the tech that was compromised to the Armed Services Committee, their jaws just dropped," a congressional source told

The sources allege that Ames Center Director Simon P. “Pete” Worden and Will Marshall, a British citizen, shared that moon lander project - and the missile defense technology – with individuals from foreign countries including China, South Korea and Saudi Arabia.

“Will Marshall in particular had demonstrated far too great an interest in locating U.S. spy satellites, giving interviews to Chinese and American newspapers on curtailing U.S. space security,” reads a document that was purportedly given to the FBI. Marshall could not be reached for comment by

The document claims foreign nationals, under the direction of Worden, were since 2006 brought in to work on space flight projects, without the proper export control licenses. Further, the document claims they were planning to share technology with the Chinese and other countries through the International Space University.

The document also charges the Department of Homeland Security “intercepted” Marshall at the San Francisco airport, and “confiscated” his NASA-issued computer, suggesting it contained sensitive information.

“Foreign nationals had access to technology and even brought foreign visitors in to see it. Three left the country and talked about the technology,” congressional sources told “The case was referred to the U.S. attorney – it’s a clear violation of ITAR.”

A NASA engineer was subpoenaed to testify before a secret grand jury in February 2011 in San Jose, according to the documents. But the attorney assigned to the case – Gary Fry -- was removed at the last minute, before the case was transferred to another office within Haag’s district. Fry still works out of the San Jose office.

NASA headquarters deferred questions to the Department of Justice. The Justice Department headquarters also declined to comment to  

But Worden told the accusations are “rubbish.”

“I take very seriously our responsibility to safeguard sensitive information. I say this unambiguously — I have not, would not, and could not impede a law enforcement investigation. To the best of my knowledge I am not the subject of a current investigation,” he said in a statement.

On Feb. 8, Reps. Wolf and Smith sent letters to the Justice Department inspector general and the director of the FBI regarding the allegedly illegal movement of this crucial technology. Wolf chairs the House Appropriations Commerce, Justice, Science and Related Agencies subcommittee. Smith heads the House Science, Space and Technology Committee.

The letters allege the FBI had uncovered the ITAR violations, and the U.S. attorney was prepared to issue indictments. But it says the case has been stalled for more than a year, agents in the case were reassigned, and the statute of limitations on the violations is already beginning to expire.

“It is our understanding that this illegal technology transfer may have involved classified Defense Department weapons system technology to foreign countries, including China, potentially with the tacit or direct approval of the center’s leadership,” the letters read.

Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, also wrote to NASA as early as April 2012 asking about allegations that Worden “allowed foreign nationals” to access Ames – along with “NASA secrets and cutting edge technology” in violation of ITAR.


Tue, 06/04/2013 - 18:45 | 3624796 Oldwood
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Its not what you know, or who you know, but what you know about who you know.   Its one thing to break the law and not get caught but it is some entirely different to get caught...repeatedly...and get away with it. Obama's promised transparency has only been used to push their corruption in our faces.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:03 | 3624253 alien-IQ
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The fact is that ANY political group with a 501C4 designation is a fraud and a farce. This designation was originally intended for civic organizations who do community work (food banks, homeless shelters, etc etc). Through some bogus loophole it has become a way for political lobbying groups to be able to take tax deductions for their efforts. Basically, it turns the act of bribing a politician into a tax deductable activity.

The issue pertaining to the IRS targeting "conservative" groups is the fact that it TARGETED A SPECIFIC GROUP.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:29 | 3624296 notadouche
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Sounds like one of the last of the free Germans being hauled off to a concentration camp due to lack of pure ethnicity.  You know the line about when they came for so and so I didn't say anything, then they came of whoesit and I didn't speak up etc...until they came for me and there was no one left to....   Perhaps you may get the point.  

If not then consider when the targeted group is the political opposition then everyone better raise an eyebrow because in politics pay back is a bitch tenfold.  For all those who think the Republicans are "dead man walking" then you better review political history because there have been several times that both parties were marked for extinction.  They are like cock roaches, they won't die and one day the party that is opposite of your belief will be back in power and if at each turn of power political pay back at even 2 fold speed (which is easily the case the end) then the light you see is not the end of the tunnel but a fast moving locomotive and we all die in that crash.  

That's probably the case anyway but the end doesn't necessarily have to be so painful.  But with the case of human beings I'm afraid the only result will be the most painful result, at least for the masses.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 17:58 | 3624681 WillyGroper
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Tell that to a Mississippi Supreme Court Judge.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 14:54 | 3624218 williambanzai7
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Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:27 | 3624318 ParkAveFlasher
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Tue, 06/04/2013 - 14:59 | 3624231 Catullus
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Better. They hired an event planner who was paid $133k on commission from the hotels to book them. The IRS has an event planning coordinator; didn't use them.

They made 3 separate planning trips to Anaheim (not Dallas, which is like in the middle of the country) to scout the location. The commissioner of SB/SE got upgraded to a suite with "a private bedroom, living area, conference table, wet bar, and Billiard table.... This suite currently retails for $3,500/night" he stayed for 5 nights. You know, more than non-privileged class nets in a year.

Here's the thing: these are ESTIMATED costs. They can't confirm it was $4.1m. They have no way of knowing.

Innovation. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. New ideas. I can't take it.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 18:12 | 3624714 Clycntct
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 "I can't take it." I feel your pain. EEEEEHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

A bullet to the heads to end the misery.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:00 | 3624237 cabtrom
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Bernagger Beast!

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:03 | 3624252 observer007
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IRS Reads Emails Without a Warrant

New documents released reveal that the IRS Criminal Tax Division has long taken the position that the IRS can read your emails without a warrant

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:11 | 3624275 Dr. Engali
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I find it funny that the IRS needs motivational speakers. What do they get up there and say?... " this is how you really go out and fuck over the American public ". Now get out there and rape every citizen you can! Together we can do it! Vorwarts comrades!

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:22 | 3624309 alien-IQ
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The only person I'd be OK with the IRS hiring to assist their staff is Jack long as he's kept working around the clock.

Wed, 06/05/2013 - 00:41 | 3625450 Dull Care
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Absolutely hysterical.Well done!

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:12 | 3624278 azengrcat
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We can't afford to put astronauts into space but we can afford to put a bunch of theives in presidential suites watching some jack ass paint a BONO! 

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:30 | 3624334 yogibear
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One big boondoggle. How many expensed escorts? Power leads to corruption.

Flat tax and get rid of the useless overhead.


Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:31 | 3624336 Mad Mohel
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$50,187 on "Videos"? Does this cover the Spanktravision? We need and audit of this shit.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:31 | 3624338 the not so migh...
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all this money spent and no one got laid, what a waste

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:36 | 3624354 swmnguy
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I actually work in this industry.  I coordinate fancy-pants business meetings, mostly for Fortune 500 clients.  I'm not saying mine is an essential profession, or that the world wouldn't be a better place if my profession did not exist.  I'm certainly not advocating that the IRS hold these types of events.  But that is what is considered absolutely mandatory in today's corporate business culture, weirdly enough.  And for a guy who did a lot of theatre in college and went into backstage work after school, I've found this to be a pretty nice niche.  I can support my family; let's just say that.  I'm not rich.

I work with the client and the meeting planners to figure out what they want to do, and on what schedule, for what budget.  Then I source the labor and equipment required, and make up and manage budgets, schedules, vendor bids, and show up on site to get everything done on time and on budget.  I would have gone on these "site inspection visits," and they are not optional.  If you're going to do an event like this (not saying the IRS should), you have to go check it all out first, in detail, with the right people.

Anyway.  I've done corporate events at a number of the venues on the auditor's report, for audiences smaller and larger.  The IRS is not spending an outrageous amount of money as these things go.  Indeed, at some of these locales, they're either doing some very bare-bones stuff, or they're getting some great pricing.

One thing I don't see anywhere in the report is the cost of AV support.  All of these shows require large-format projection, huge audio systems, a lighting package, and labor to set it up, run it, and tear it back down.  Maybe they got it from the in-house Audio-Visual department at each venue, which is usually the most expensive and crappiest way to do it, but then the costs would be put on the client Master Account, and rolled in with the "Lodging" line item.  This actually wouldn't surprise me.  I've always suspected that financial auditors had no idea what I do for a living and think all this stuff is done magically by elves.  If the Inspector General's staff watched video of the event, that means there was a camera in there, with an operator and a recording device, and somebody had to download the video and audio, edit it or convert it, and get it onto a DVD.  That ain't free.

At the risk of harming my own business, I don't think the IRS should be doing this.  It's the taxpayers' money.  Truth be told, I don't think corporations should do this either; it's the shareholders' money, and the corporates usually spend a lot more than this on one of these.

I think a larger issue here is the adoption of corporate culture and the corporate management model to every aspect of American life.  It's incredibly wasteful.  And for what?  Apparently managers can't manage their people to get stuff done without having a stage you could land light aircraft on, full concert lighting and audio, a giant screen and full AV support.  They have to prance around like a younger Mick Jagger, and talk about augmenting cross-functional core competencies (transl.: talk to each other and get shit done); and repackage basic common sense in acronym-ready packages, like my inventions, "Fully Utilize Cultural Knowledge," or "Strategically Harness Internet Technologies."

I'm serious; you wouldn't believe how many millions your favorite Fortune 500 companies spend per year on this crap.  I just scrape up some of the crumbs.  And I don't think the IRS should be doing this, I'll say again.  But they seem to be firmly in the mainstream of how corporate America works these days, and they're spending less than most companies do.


Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:50 | 3624401 Vince Clortho
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Not to rain on your parade, but I think you missed the main point.  The IRS could have made DVD videos of the speeches and sent them to the desired employees.  The whole expense of flying people in from all over the country and paying for their lodging and food was unnecessary.

If the Fortune 500 want to do it. Fine. It's their money.

This was taxpayer money wasted at a time when the National debt is 16+ Trillion dollars.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 17:03 | 3624564 Buckaroo Banzai
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He actually pointed out several times that the IRS shouldn't be doing it. 

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 17:46 | 3624657 Catullus
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I work for one of those Fortune 500 companies that has these things. They're Important, but not essential. For some sales people, this is how deals get done. Period. They invite clients out. They get to take a few days off from their boring lives and kids and kick back. You're talking about a good ROI from the analytics I see.

And as for the employee perk, it's nice to do this for your top performers. They get to meet people and play hard with people they only know through email tags and instant messages. When you're in a huge corporate culture, when the guy from Boston has a beer with his Houston counterpart in Atlanta, it builds a long term relationship of cooperation.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:41 | 3624369 Kirk2NCC1701
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Let's not kid ourselves:  The IRS is to the Fed/Gov what the Enforcers are to the Mob, or the Sheriff of Nottingham was to the King.  It's 95% extortion.

I suspect that the extortion rates are a lot lower with the Mob than with the Gov, and at this point I'd almost prefer Mob rule than Dem/GOP rule.  For one thing, I wouldn't have to doubt in what circles, city or even what country the real decisions are being made.  For another, I'd know what I'm actually getting or not getting.  /s

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 16:02 | 3624436 Vince Clortho
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Your wish is already reality.

 "Government" is in reality manipulated by a gang of elite plutocrats with vast resources to use military, intelligence, law enforcment agencies as their private army to dominate the masses.  Entrenched bureaucracy, and complete control of mainstream media allows them to brainwash most of the sheep into thinking they live in a republic or democracy.

During the early and mid 19th century, "We the people" was actually a living reality.  Not any more.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:43 | 3624374 aerojet
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Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:43 | 3624376 CharliePrince
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and the irs thinks the people cheat ???

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:55 | 3624420 Goldilocks
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Funny Talking Animals - Best Of! (3:40)

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 19:26 | 3624868 Cobra
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This isn't fucking Facebook...

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:44 | 3624379 bankonzhongguo
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All this and they still can't (won't) take care of combat vets.


Stop paying your taxes.

They will just print money anyway.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 17:08 | 3624581 Kirk2NCC1701
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Let me re-frame: The few legal ways I know of to "deny them taxes", is to have less taxable exposure.  E.g.

1. Get a better CPA (one who skates closer to the edge of 'interpretation')

2. Consume less:  Less house = less taxes, smaller mortgage (less debt to banks).  Ditto for transportation, clothing, electronics, etc.

3. Grow more stuff locally, instead of importing from far away.

4. Use Cash.  Barter.  Engage in (reciprocal) volunteering.

5. Already 47% are not paying Federal Income Tax.  Heroes or villains?  Especially if you're in the 53%, yet are paying for the benefits of the 47% that include the 'Tax Exempt' crowd, who may have earned more than many of the 53%.  It's not as 'victimless' as is presented.

But, if they persist in spending more but can't collect more, they will only blow up the whole thing themselves, and sooner.   The laws of Mother Nature and Human Nature are a 'bitch'.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 19:00 | 3624827 Oldwood
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While at first glance I would agree with you and have suggested it myself many times. The problem is that I think it is already too late. They have the power and they will take us to poverty or we take ourselves. I feel like I'm supposed to shoot myself to deprive them of the opportunity. We could have saved our jobs if "we the people" would have refused to buy imported goods and made sure we didn't pay for work done by illegals, but we didn't. We liked the good deals. Instead, we hollowed out our economy and empowered politicians and bankers who promised us we could have the good deals and a good paying job, only to discover we would end up with neither, and find ourselves under the boot of a new master. Now like every other deal done with the devil we are to get our due.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 16:20 | 3624398 SqueekyFromm
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Well, if I am going to read 63 pages I need some music going in the background. Hmmm, this would be appropriate for a start:

Followed by this for the long haul:

Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter


UPDATE: Hmmm, this interesting from page 12:

In each presentation, he will create a unique painting that reinforces his message of unlearning the rules, breaking the boundaries, and freeing the thought process to find creative solutions to challenges.

Sooo, like did Lois Lerner do this??? I mean denying tax exempt status to your partisan rivals is kinda creative, does break boundaries, and is definely an unlearning of the rules.

UPDATE#2: The real meat of the report can be found on pages 52-56 in the recommendations. Which are pretty much "Do your paperwork" and "follow all the rules". 

My Opinion after reading the report: A bunch of hoopla over nothing. Big organizations are forced by the reality of their size to do things in a regimented fashion which entails extra expenses in training and continuing education. That is simply a fact of life. Doing all the extra paperwork and all the extra conferencing at avg $50 per hour labor time (in the report) would cost more than was alledgely wasted.  Most of the expense here (over $3 million of the $4 million) was in travel and lodging. Bitching about stuff like a Star Trek training video is kinda mickey mouse.  About like the rich folks bitching about food stamps.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 17:47 | 3624661 blindman
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thanks for the summation and update !

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:56 | 3624423 Seasmoke
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I want to thank these people. I really do.

Thank You for making me aware to never be afraid of another envelope from the IRS. No sweating. No increased heart rate. Just calm.

True story. Just ripped up 2 letters before I even opened the front door in the last 3 days.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 17:13 | 3624557 Things that go bump
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If you ignore them, they will send a sweaty fat girl with frizzy hair, braces, pimples, rings in her eyebrows, nose and up the lobe of each ear to ring your doorbell. I couldn't take my eyes off her. Man, I was never so scared in my life. I wondered if she was suicidal or just stupid.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 16:03 | 3624439 monad
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Who audits the auditors? Eric Holder, thats who. Gotcher back bitchez, nothing to see here. Continue shopping.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 16:07 | 3624451 Winston Smith 2009
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I was going to say that they'd better damned well have receipts for every penny of this, but I see already that they don't.

"However, SB/SE Division  management  does not have any documentation supporting this amount."

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 16:08 | 3624454 Fix It Again Timmy
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Taxation is theft - it's that simple.  It's fun to blow through other people's money and that's why government should be looked at as a colossal failure.  Think of the IRS as the Gestapo and you're getting the right idea...

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 16:21 | 3624497 1C3-N1N3
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Who did the sign language guy piss off to only get $1800 outta this deal?

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 16:24 | 3624506 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Time to change their name to the Internal Revenge Service.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 16:37 | 3624528 blindman
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tear gas the woman in red ! that should fix it.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 16:49 | 3624542 Darth Sidious
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why all the complaints. isn't it better to have irs agents distracted like this rather than tyring to catch tax cheats?  it makes our economy much more productive

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 16:55 | 3624552 AustrianJim
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They have to go to a lot of conferences to keep up on the latest collection.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 17:41 | 3624643 syntaxterror
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Good for the IRS. If you're dumb enough to send them money, you got exactly what you should have expected. People like Apple and GE don't participate in this fleecing (yes, corporations are people too).

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 17:49 | 3624663 They trynna cat...
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The full cost of goverment on our lives is total government spending plus the regulatory burden.

When one considers the incredible amount of time, energy, manpower and resources that is spent every day on dealing with our BULLSHIT 70,000 page tax code, which even the 'experts' don't understand, the lost productivity is MIND BOGGLING.

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