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Guggenheim Sums Up The Fed's Dilemma

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Via Scott Minerd of Guggenheim Securities,

Volatility is rising and asset prices are highly vulnerable to all incoming news. Recent sell-offs in stocks and bonds indicate that the current uptrend could uncoil before the end of quantitative easing (QE). The amount of attention paid to rumors about QE highlights how vulnerable the U.S. economy is to the prospect of a tapering in asset purchases or a rise in interest rates.

 

This is largely because the current economic expansion is dependent on further gains in housing, which would be adversely affected by a material rise in mortgage rates. Between one and two percent of GDP growth is coming from housing activity. The sluggishness in the rest of the economy is evident if you remove that number from the latest reading of 2.4 percent GDP growth for Q1. This dynamic underpins the Federal Reserve’s current dilemma over how to normalize monetary policy. I do not anticipate an easy ride for policymakers or investors over the coming months.”

 

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Thu, 06/06/2013 - 09:14 | 3629315 fonzannoon
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Congrats to Guggenheim for figuring out the fed can't exit QE. Those guys are good.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 09:20 | 3629330 Clueless Economist
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Steve Liesman this morning defended the central bankers he knows, saying they have been able to get a solid 2.5% GDP and lowered unemployment to 7.5%.

He says things would be truely awfull without the wise leadership of central bankers.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 09:26 | 3629340 SheepDog-One
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I've got a proper fine noose reserved for LIESman too.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:28 | 3630279 mick68
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Noose won't stay on well after I've blown his head off his neck. Nonetheless, I'll help you out, think I have some nails we can hammer through the rope into his neck to keep it on. Now that would make a pretty picture hanging from a pole outside the NYSE.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 09:32 | 3629374 RSloane
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I can't watch Baghdad Bob anymore. Not for one second. His picture alone elicits a visceral response in me. As in projectile vomiting.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 09:47 | 3629420 asteroids
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At a cost of how many trillion globally that will never be paid off and probably cause a bond market crash somewhere down the road. that will be far far worse for everyone.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 09:53 | 3629464 kridkrid
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How many trillion what? Dollars? What the fock is a dollar? The opportunity to have chosen a different path with a less disasterous outcome passed 40 years ago.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:25 | 3630262 mick68
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Crises used to happen every 6-12 months, now they're every 6-12 days. The Keynesians are doing nothing but keeping the game afloat at this point. Obama will not be permitted to ask for another 6 trillion of stimulus, so this is the new normal, until next week when it's not.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 09:24 | 3629338 CaptainSpaulding
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A green cookie for you Fonz

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 09:22 | 3629339 CVfriendship
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Because they're bond guys first.... You know, that asset class that is just slightly more connected to what's happening. Emphasis on SLIGHTLY.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 10:38 | 3629660 saveUSsavers
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These assholes didn't say a word until market is up 150% then like cockroaches they come out of woodwork, this twitchy shill is near the top.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:01 | 3629790 FreeSlave
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Guggenheim family is actually a part of the FED

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 13:39 | 3630620 Dingleberry
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Sinclair, et al have been pointing out the FUCKING OBVIOUS for years now. 

"QE to infinity"

 

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 14:11 | 3630745 ATM
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As has Minerd. He told me back in 2005 that we would have a residential mortgage crash of biblical proportions and that the dollar was doomed. The script is following his outline almost perfectly. He a great macro guy. When he gets into micro he's isn't quite that good but his calls, while usually being too early end up being right most of the time.

He's as good as there is IMO.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 09:15 | 3629317 Schmuck Raker
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" I do not anticipate an easy ride for policymakers or investors over the coming months.”

Poor ol' policymakers. One question, what's an 'investor'?

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 09:19 | 3629327 SheepDog-One
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When I hear 'Policymaker'....'Lawmakers'...I start tying nooses on ropes.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 09:17 | 3629318 SheepDog-One
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It's all been about buying some time so the Fed central banksters can monetize themselves a majority of bonds and equities, they bought it all for free, no charge to them. So now they own everything and it didn't cost them a dime, that was the WHOLE plan! There's NO 'exit plan' coming at 'the right time' so the 'fledgling economic recovery' can go run on it's own, it's all been bullshit it was a planned takedown planned out many many years ago. 

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 09:21 | 3629332 BandGap
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No, that's an exit plan not unlike going to the bathroom at a party after hitting on some guys girlfriend. You head out the door instead of getting the shit beat out of you.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 09:23 | 3629342 SheepDog-One
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People will see for themselves what it's all really been about soon.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 09:40 | 3629404 BandGap
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Not disagreeing per se, but never underestimate the stupity of the masses. This "enlightenment" has yet to hit the lower floors of the IQ tower.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 09:43 | 3629406 SheepDog-One
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They don't give a shit about the sheeple, their only purpose is to get sheared and slaughtered. No sheep farmer is concerned about what opinion the sheep have of him.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 09:18 | 3629325 RSloane
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Yezz, because policy makers and investors should always have an easy ride.

 

[middle_finger_flex_excercise]

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 09:19 | 3629329 BandGap
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Like it has been an easy ride so far? Please. It's just that more eyes have been focussed on the bullshit we're expected to believe, starting with the nonsense numbers we get concerning the economy (employment, housing growth, etc.). I think a better discussion about when  the SHTF moment would be when the masses wake up.

Somewhere between finding out what a fucking farce ObummaCare is and when we start lobbing missiles in the Middle East.

 

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 09:21 | 3629335 101 years and c...
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bulls now hoping for bad news as we enter recession.  and, thats just to maintain the current failed policy of wrecklessly printing $85B/month.  good news is bad and bad news is bad.  welcome to the correction of 2013.

and, here's my question to anyone still long: when stocks drop 20%, what can the Fed do to get a bounce?  print $150B?  nope. there's a reason Ben wont be a Jackson Hole.....he'll have resigned by then.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 09:25 | 3629351 SheepDog-One
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Yep, I can't wait to see all the 'OMG' faces when one of these mornings all the machines have just been turned off.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 09:25 | 3629349 q99x2
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Well it is obviously not working. They mayswell give all the remaining money to their friends.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 09:27 | 3629356 Headbanger
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Hey!  The Fed caught between a rock and a hard place is my line!

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 10:38 | 3629657 yogibear
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LOL, Bubble Bernanke and the Fed are trapped.Nobody overseas want to touch US debt. 

The Fed is stuck until the US dollar blows up.

 

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 09:35 | 3629385 Everybodys All ...
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The problem I think the Fed is beggining to realize is that people have lost faith and they are requesting delivery of gold instead of king dollar. When these gold vaults are cleaned out the Fed is fucked and they know that's where we are headed if they continue on the course they are on. There is always a price to pay Ben. You stupid bastard.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 09:53 | 3629458 11b40
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So, the only way to grow our economy now is with a housing expansion.

Isn't that just lovely.  We traded our manufcturing base and all those industrial jobs in on a housing bubble.  When it went bust, we were oh so surprised to discover there were no jobs to build a recovery with.

Stupid is as stupid does.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 10:13 | 3629551 dogboy12
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As the market deflates in anticipation of less QE, it makes continuing QE more likely.  As people feel poorer from the reduction in their 401-k accounts, their spending will decrease.  BOOM - more QE solves everything. 

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 10:25 | 3629601 RaceToTheBottom
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QEn has become the tax that everyone pays.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 14:14 | 3630766 ATM
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Except for the rich and bankers. For them it's a free ride because they get the money first and buy things with it. The rest of us get fucked as the money gets to us worth less than it was to the banks. 

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 10:24 | 3629595 Tombstone
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Where is economic growth going to come from if the welfare state is overtaking the productive state (real work force)?  We have $17 trillion in debt that is getting shorter and shorter and needs to be constantly rolled over.  I just do not see enough growth ahead to get the economy booming; so I expect QE in one form or another to become a permanent fixture.  Even if we get a boom, interest rates will have to rise and the costs of serving the debt will escalate; QE will still be required as long as the debt is rising.  We have been painted into a corner where there lays a pit of quicksand.   

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 10:48 | 3629719 yogibear
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More Food Stamp, Welfare, Free education, Cell phones for voters of the new socialist state.

More taxes on productive people.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 10:37 | 3629655 BandGap
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Nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky.

 

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 10:42 | 3629682 Antifederalist
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Gee ,  ya think.

Thank you Captain Obvious.

 

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 10:49 | 3629725 dunce
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It seems that the people at the helm of monetary policy have concluded that nothing works so they are doing nothing and we are drifting blown by the winds of fate while the captains have their way with the cabin boys.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:02 | 3629808 slightlyskeptical
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The answer was clear as day back in 2007. They should have nationalized the entire mortgage market. They should have bought every primary mortgage at par and automatically refinanced them all. Could have forgiven up to 30% of balances and still gotten paid back every penny. But that would have put the crooks out of the game an we could never let that happen. Instead we offer the crooks government guarantees.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 14:16 | 3630775 ATM
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Fannie and Freddie were/are the mortgage market and they are nationalized.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:29 | 3629952 John Law Lives
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"I do not anticipate an easy ride for policymakers or investors over the coming months.”

Let them reap what they have sewn...

FUBAR.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:43 | 3630032 dracos_ghost
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They left out " ... and they will be struggling with their consciences as they sun bath on St Barts with the other taxpayer money thiefs of TPTB"

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 13:10 | 3630506 falak pema
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with more and more investment moving to the Arms and security sectors world wide; witness the NSA data centers being projected; apart from hand held telephone devices where will the economic growth in first world come from?

Shale gas and oil being the other fracked noose around the urbanised world's neck. 

Casino economy and monetary bazookas when they aren't MIC ones.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 14:24 | 3630812 moneybots
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" This dynamic underpins the Federal Reserve’s current dilemma over how to normalize monetary policy."

 

This is normal.  The FED interferes with market.  The FED rate is not the market rate.  The FED holds a meeting and says the FED rate will be X. 

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 17:58 | 3631533 dadichris
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wait, "volatility" is the reason you should stay out of perilous assets, like gold, right?

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 07:53 | 3632995 xialala
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U.S. will become the new JAPAN

Europe is becoming the new GREECE

JAPAN is going to die.

GREECE is going to die.

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