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Meet PRISM / US-984XN - The US Government's Internet Espionage Super Operation
The disclosures involving this (and the prior) administration's Big Brother surveillance state, which would make Nixon blush with envy are now coming fast and furious (one wonders - why now: even that bastion of liberalism the NY Times, has turned against Obama). Although while the Guardian's overnight news that Verizon (and most certainly AT&T as well among others) was cooperating with the NSA on spying on US citizens, so far at least the internet seemed, if only to the great unwashed masses, immune. That is no longer the case following news from the WaPo exposing PRISM, a highly classified program, which has not been disclosed publicly before. "Its establishment in 2007 and six years of exponential growth took place beneath the surface of a roiling debate over the boundaries of surveillance and privacy." What PRISM does is to allow the NSA and the FBI to tap directly "into the central servers of nine leading U.S. Internet companies, extracting audio, video, photographs, e-mails, documents and connection logs that enable analysts to track a person’s movements and contacts over time."
The secrecy is so deep we expect even the president himself may not know about it (but he does):
The highly classified program, code-named PRISM, has not been disclosed publicly before. Its establishment in 2007 and six years of exponential growth took place beneath the surface of a roiling debate over the boundaries of surveillance and privacy. Even late last year, when critics of the foreign intelligence statute argued for changes, the only members of Congress who know about PRISM were bound by oaths of office to hold their tongues.
Of course, PRISM is from the government, and it is here to help you. But the question is why are some of the biggest private companies explicitly collaborating with what is now the biggest exposed spying operation in history, companies which include such household names as Microsoft Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, AOL, Skype, YouTube, and Apple. Yes, everyone's beloved Apple was added in October 2012: the NSA knows all about your music playlist, not to mention has a database of all your iMessages.
In other words, all those newly minted people known as corporations are in on it, but not: dear debt serf. It's a small club, and there is a multimillion liquid net-worth cutoff... and you are not in it. From WaPo:
An internal presentation on the Silicon Valley operation, intended for senior analysts in the NSA’s Signals Intelligence Directorate, described the new tool as the most prolific contributor to the President’s Daily Brief, which cited PRISM data in 1,477 articles last year. According to the briefing slides, obtained by The Washington Post, “NSA reporting increasingly relies on PRISM” as its leading source of raw material, accounting for nearly 1 in 7 intelligence reports.
That is a remarkable figure in an agency that measures annual intake in the trillions of communications. It is all the more striking because the NSA, whose lawful mission is foreign intelligence, is reaching deep inside the machinery of American companies that host hundreds of millions of American-held accounts on American soil.
The technology companies, which participate knowingly in PRISM operations, include most of the dominant global players of Silicon Valley. They are listed on a roster that bears their logos in order of entry into the program: “Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, AOL, Skype, YouTube, Apple.” PalTalk, although much smaller, has hosted significant traffic during the Arab Spring and in the ongoing Syrian civil war.
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the PRISM program appears more nearly to resemble the most controversial of the warrantless surveillance orders issued by President George W. Bush after the al-Qaeda attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. Its history, in which President Obama presided over “exponential growth” in a program that candidate Obama criticized, shows how fundamentally surveillance law and practice have shifted away from individual suspicion in favor of systematic, mass collection techniques.
Spying on US citizens is "incidental"... kinda like killing thousands of women and children in drone raids is "collateral damage":
Even when the system works just as advertised, with no American singled out for targeting, the NSA routinely collects a great deal of American content. That is described as “incidental,” and it is inherent in contact chaining, one of the basic tools of the trade. To collect on a suspected spy or foreign terrorist means, at minimum, that everyone in the suspect’s inbox or outbox is swept in. Intelligence analysts are typically taught to chain through contacts two “hops” out from their target, which increases “incidental collection” exponentially. The same math explains the aphorism, from the John Guare play, that no one is more than “six degrees of separation” from any other person.
This is how the big corporations sleep at night:
Formally, in exchange for immunity from lawsuits, companies like Yahoo and AOL are obliged to accept a “directive” from the attorney general and the director of national intelligence to open their servers to the FBI’s Data Intercept Technology Unit, which handles liaison to U.S. companies from the NSA. In 2008, Congress gave the Justice Department authority to for a secret order from the Foreign Surveillance Intelligence Court to compel a reluctant company “to comply.”
In practice, there is room for a company to maneuver, delay or resist. When a clandestine intelligence program meets a highly regulated industry, said a lawyer with experience in bridging the gaps, neither side wants to risk a public fight. The engineering problems are so immense, in systems of such complexity and frequent change, that the FBI and NSA would be hard pressed to build in back doors without active help from each company.
Some "do lots of evil" by their customers. They just don't disclose it:
“Google cares deeply about the security of our users’ data,” a company spokesman said. “We disclose user data to government in accordance with the law, and we review all such requests carefully. From time to time, people allege that we have created a government ‘back door’ into our systems, but Google does not have a ‘back door’ for the government to access private user data.”
Time to kill that Facebook profile... or be accidentally killed for being "of a terroristy persuasion" based on some NSA algo:
There has been “continued exponential growth in tasking to Facebook and Skype,” according to the 41 PRISM slides. With a few clicks and an affirmation that the subject is believed to be engaged in terrorism, espionage or nuclear proliferation, an analyst obtains full access to Facebook’s “extensive search and surveillance capabilities against the variety of online social networking services.”
And some more charts:
Introducing the program
A slide briefing analysts at the National Security Agency about the program touts its effectiveness and features the logos of the companies involved.
Monitoring a target's communication
This diagram shows how the bulk of the world’s electronic communications move through companies based in the United States.
Providers and data
The PRISM program collects a wide range of data from the nine companies, although the details vary by provider.
In retrospect, it is sad what a farce this country has become: artificial market, centrally-planned economy, pervasive spying on the people, a tax collector that target political enemies, an administration that openly lies under oath...
If we didn't know better we would say this was 1955 Stalingrad, although Stalingrad at the height of totalitarianism was for amateurs. This is next level shit: "Firsthand experience with these systems, and horror at their capabilities, is what drove a career intelligence officer to provide PowerPoint slides about PRISM and supporting materials to The Washington Post in order to expose what he believes to be a gross intrusion on privacy. “They quite literally can watch your ideas form as you type,” the officer said."
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Does everyone understand that we are being conditioned to accept this sort of thing? The outrage will die down and the depth and width of the surveillance will only increase from here. No one is willing to take a stand and fight to stop this because they know they will be the target of a drone or email/phone eavesdropping. These sorts of things happen simply to keep the people who have power IN POWER and to maintain their illusion of control. And it is an illusion because history has shown that they (the greedy) always fail. ALWAYS.
Contrairily, perhaps once the information of the average citizen starts being abused as it most assuredly will the outrage you don't see now will surface. No action (at least that we know of) has taken place as a result of this invasion of privacy to be the spark. The AP/Fox wiretaps has finally caught the eye of the media whom to this point has been complicit by acting as if all is well and conveniently forgotten what it means to be investigative journalist. Everything is fine until it isn't.
Protest to Vietnam and Civil Rights etc... didn't happen in full force. It started slowly and to the scorn of the mainstream until the seemingly harmless snowball turns into an avalance. Nothing happens in a vacuum nor does it happen efficiently. It starts with a few "kooks" or "outside agitators" and gains momentum until it ends up being a duplicate of the late 1960's or even the 1860's or the 1760's for that matter. In the beginning it looks impossible, irrelevant foolhardy. It ends with a "new normal". It's all in the history books and if the government continues down this path of shitting on the citizen it will eventually happen again in the next decade or so.
"You can fool all of the people some of the time, some of the people all of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time"
Too bad the military isn't ours.
You got all yer guns and all yer ammo... now what..
I have a keyword NSA can add to the algorithm software list. It’s called DIKW. This buzzword will travel the earth by merely typing a few sentences. So what does it mean Atomizer?
Let me break it down for you.. The theory of the cloud ecosystem is to populate intelligence. Unfortunately, you no longer own those ideas once you check [YES] to the TOS agreement and upload.
Once this information is filtered thru government compliance checkpoints, the data will be sent to the cloud as intelligence based information to mold your nibble minds.
they may own the DIK, but they'll never dine at the W
;~)
You know, I've had some time to reflect. I just want to say that my comments upon the recent security changes by the government to instill my freedoms have been insensitive. If you all need any bio-information, retinal scans, pound of flesh or some form of "Mark of the Beast" type body tagging to stop the one-millionth of a chance in Hell at being the victim of terrorism, I am ok with this. I here by relinquish all constitutionally granted freedoms in the name of total control for the sake of security by my dear leader and his yes men. I only ask to move freely, while perpetually tracked, within these United States. I apologize, but I was under the belief that the 4th Amendment still applied. I now know from the cavalcade of articles coming forth in the recent weeks that I am merely a subject and should feel lucky to have the "right" to vote for the pre-selected candidates put forth by those in true control. You may enter my residence, sleep with my wife, test my animals or child for scientific knowledge. Mi casa es su casa. Yo soy tu putito. I love you and simply want to thank you for the sheer joy of being allowed to live in this most brave new world.
Prism can sense sarcasm and disinfo
You're been flagged at the highest level now
Expect a knock at your door soon
"On the whole, human beings want to be good — but not too good, and not quite all the time."
-George Orwell
IR, our days are numbered and that fact has been known for a long time. They can't stand the internet and the fact that it can be used as a forum for fact discovery or criticism of the state, so they must weaponize it and demonize it. One day, we will all try to log into ZH or our small blogs and find that we can't anymore. Since we can not trust one another by our nature, I suggest that we should all remember that there is a Remnant out there and use our wits accordingly.
+1 friend
house sale fell thru btw
oi vei
Brutal dude.
Sorry.
Third times times the charm, Fonz. Chin up!
That's right man. You will prevail.
Fonz, I have never posted on the same thread as you but I really like your posts. Just a courtesy of respect.
IR, sorry to hear that news. Here I was happy when you mentioned you sold thinking I that might have a chance. Aren't we depressed enough yet? We see it clearly but we can't stop it. Fuck. Keep your chin up though friend.
Both you dudes and some others(many others) are my faves. We shall overcome!
The dickwads running this country (world) should know we have been stockpiling guns and ammo, cash - both real (PM's and fiat), food, seeds, etc. We ain't giving in without a fight.
If you are listening in dickwads at NSA or wherever.....FUCK YOU AND YOUR MOTHER THAT BIRTHED YOUR SORRY ASSES.
POS-USA. What have we become.
Tyranny is always lurking just around the corner.
Communist/Socialist/Marxist/NWO
As the Planet awaits tomorrow mornings report...tonight, I'd like to make a toast, and, if I may, a speech that will encapsulate the greatest run back to 1700, since, well, the year 1699:
"Fuck You Bernanke." Thank you.
Dont forget, we incarcerate more people than any other country in the world as well.
sometimes I fantasize about snacking on a peanut from the bag I filled in the bulk section of the supermarket but then these images come to mind and I rebuke myself for even being tempted
http://imgur.com/gallery/cCmOG
and in this image I wonder what happens if you need to stand up and stretch you arms http://i.imgur.com/ANLFgjI.jpg is the shadow behind the steel mesh a hardend criminal, murderer, rapist or violent home invader or is he a 3 striker who drank from a milk carton before paying -
and posted above I guess as you wait year on year for them to open the cage you can always fantasize about something like this http://bit.ly/1245ahu noZ
not that such things occur in your local correctional facility
who's we, kemosabe?
...and don't forget, there is always more room in Government Inn!
Incinerate too!
PRISM is the perfect cash cow, we need to refill those prisons to keep the $$$ flowing.
USSA indeed.
Reminds me of the old show Green Acres and the dude from the SCC "I am from the government and I am here to help you".................. hahahhahah gag gag what a fuking joke.................
Verizon and Google honchos have only to look at former Qwest CEO Joe Nacchio to know what will happen to them if they don't knucckle under Obama's jack-booted thugs with pocket protectors. Nacchio is just finishing up serving a 70 month prison sentence for alleged insider trading. Nacchio refused to allow the NSA total access to Qwest's telecommunications without a search warrant. Most sickening of all in this wiretapping case is Democratic Senator Feinstein saying everything done was legal. Feinstein the war profiteer who belongs in prison for using her job as chair on the Senate Military Construction subcommittee to funnel billions of dollars worth of Iraqi construction contracts to her husband's construction companies. The Feinsteins made $250 million from these contracts, for building projects that were either never finished or billed to the U.S. government at 5 or more times the actual construction cost. This story shows that everyone in positions of authority in Congress and in the news media are only good at lying and covering up crimes. The New York Times and the Washington Post had the information the Guardian published but American mewspapers are no better than Izvestsia and Pravda under the communists in the USSR; newspapers good only as lining for the bottom of bird cages.
I wouldn't say they didn't knuckle under. Just take a look into their microchips which are used on all cellphones..........
The bitch also wants our guns, they are only ok when the government owns them....................
I just make as much noise as possible and make sure I am a target. http://youtu.be/EEXtflmUYgM
From Your Lips to Mu’adib’s Ears
“Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. This is the danger of entrenched bureaucracy to its subject population. Even the spoils systems are preferable because levels of tolerance are lower and the corrupt can be thrown out periodically. Entrenched bureaucracy seldom can be touched short of violence. Beware when Civil Service and Military join hands."
–Frank Herbert, Chapterhouse Dune
I just monitored myself and it felt good.
I guess the new Utah data center isnt big enough to hold all the data.
NSA Building $860 Million Data Center in Maryland
https://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2013/06/06/nsa-to-build-860-million-hpc-center-in-maryland/
HA! I can post enough inane bullshit from former and current federal reserve chairmen speeches to fill that fucker up right quick. You should too.
And now, for something equally surreal yet totally different.....
http://coed.com/2013/03/29/yes-this-steve-segal-rabbit-earring-vladimir-...
Whats that you say, PRISM can pick up video?
Well then, ehem:
Something TERRORibly wrong with this country
But,
There is a reason for this
One, two, Obama is comin for you
Three, four police state outside your door
Five, six justice won't fix
Seven, eight, you are guilty of hate
Nine, ten, lawless incorporation did you in.
...kiss of death.
The human race can be disappointing at times. Just because something can be done does not mean that it should be done. Maybe that is the problem with the psychopathic mind. They cannot differntiate and we should pity them for their deficiency.
Dear Fearless Leader,
Please inform me which FEMA concentration camp I should report to for indoctrination and re-education, I must admit, I have had impure thoughts relating to Chalky and his demented sidekick Eric. I realize now that it is all for the children, and want to be assimilated into the Borg Democrat Party.
http://vegasxau.blogspot.com
There is a bit of good news. People on both sides of the political coin are outraged by this. I am seeing folks from the left and right on Facebook, as this gets bandied about, coming to an agreement that this is simply wrong. I believe that this means we will soon be fuckered. I just want to say it's been fun. I have gleaned much info and will certainly try to be the source of humor in the camps amongst most of you before my will is broken and I hang myself with the state sponsored shoe laces I am given for my uniform. GLTA
With over a billion rounds of ammo, you only have to leave enough warm bodies around to bury the cold ones.
TSA, Tanks, Searches and AMMo.
Uncle Sam he had a farm,
NS NS A!
And on this farm he had some sheeple,
NS NS A!
With a groupthink here and a groupthink there,
groupthink, groupthink, everywhere a groupthink,
Uncle Sam he had a farm,
NS NS A!
Prison business is big fucking business, that is going to fuck everbody in the ass right before TSHTF. Big sweep of innocent intelligent people for bullshit crimes is coming. Only the stupid will be walking around without leashes.
Cellphones are leashes, they are already walking about, open your eyes and look around you.
Your own personal GPS with a specific number attached to it makes a perfect drone targeting device. Its a surviellience device, and you pay for the tracking.
It would be funny if it weren't tragic.
ask elliot spitzer about what they know about your personal life.
we are all dogs on chains, so why is master peeing on himself about the NSA? Why use the corporate media to release this information now? Why this, why now?
Something says a whole flock of shit birds are on the wing and headed our way.
The "kill list" must run into the tens of millions by now. The list probably has another name attached to it, but the people planning the final coup de grace know what the list means, and they have ideas as to how they will implement it.
Smart Card (2005)
Enjoy the ending.
My mother worked Pentagon decades ago...became a drunk. Warmed me back in 93 of the "real world" and that the CIA can hear everything. My friends thought she was crazy ....well...all I can say to my "friends" is FUCK YOU MALAKA!! ;)
The fucking bad guys are so paranoid they have to watch every move the good guys make? WTF?
Its all so upside-down, if your are not paying attention you would think its too crazy to be real when someone trys to tell you what is happening.... That is exactly how it works, if you spend the time and effort to find out what really is going on you are an enemy combatant/terrorist.
Keep the sheep asleep, put the ones that "wake up" in jail.
Literally living off the backs of other people while telling them that their theft is for the benefit of those same people can be anxiety inducing.
NDAA, all of them, and Sandy Hoax are a good gauge of how high that anxiety has risen.
Magic Smoke Liberation Front.
Meet BLADE/AWAKE - The American people's Guillotine Super Operation
If you want secure internet communications then just phone me and I will give you the password. Duh.
password is *******
SO ARE THEY GOING TO GO AFTER THE LEAKERS OF ALL THIS AND GIVE THEM THE BRADLEY MANNING TREATMENT? AND IF NOT WHY NOT? SEEMS LIKE THERE IS SOME POWER STRUGGLE UNDERWAY.
your caps lock key is stuck again.
* reading ZH while polishing rifle *
I've always taken it further and assumed that my smartphone functions as a live mic/camera even when not in use. There already have been court cases where gangsters phones were used as listening devices by police. In those cases it was said that the only way to disable the function was to remove the phone battery. (sarc)Lucky for us, apple and the like have created phones that prevent us from harming ourselves by not allowing us to remove the battery.(/sarc) With the advent of wifi phones and ubiquitous cell towers/wifi hotspots, it is safe to assume they are recording every word and thing we do with these big brother eyepods
That being said, I've long lived by the philosophy that if you are not prepared to die for every word and deed you commit, then why are you committing them? Stand for what is truth, what is right and what is noble and you will have a bunch of NSA disciples tripping over themselves to be one of your private listeners....if they care at all about what you say
This will lead to one thing...rebellion.
There are those out there who are willing to die for their freedom, as in the past. They are only a minority, as in every major life changing shift as the masses are too complacent and comfortable to do anything.
We'll probably see headquarters and data centers bombed and such within time. The Yahoo's, Googles and Microsofts which have cooperated with big brother will be seen as the "enemy", which is arguably true. They didn't fight it.
We'll see how this plays out, but I think my words will hold true in time. Too bad, it has to come to this, but then our "leaders" /sarc have set this in motion without considering the eventual consequences.
Fuck this. I'm going to start drinking again.
So this Prism thing is what Obama (whom didn't know about till yesterday) uses/used to attack conservative teaparty (whom Obama didn't know about till last week) groups, individuals and generally anyone he doesn't like?
What seems clear is that Bush was the visionary and all Obama can do is follow slavishly in his foot steps.
This started way before Bush.
As sessinpo says this started before Bush, which is true.
But the US surveillance state grew rapidly under Bush, superficially justified by 9/11. What we are now seeing are the curtains being drawn open and American big corporates are exposed as being totally in bed with political elites.
The archetypal fascist state is now exposed. It cannot be described any other way.
The likes of Mussolini would have been proud.
I suggest we all start watching so much porn that we overload their systems.
I have been on ZH for about five years. Don't think I have ever seen 448 posts on an issue. Must've touched a nerve.......
Goddammit!!!!!!!! I was having a good day too.....
Aw fuck it....motherfuckin'fuckers
I'm goin fishin...fuck work
Bitmessage is just a logical developement: http://dailyanarchist.com/2013/05/26/bitmessage-may-replace-e-mail/
https://bitmessage.org/wiki/Main_Page
Quite smart to publish details about PRISM. Now people will start to turn away from using highly efficient technology to share thoughts about things TPTB dont want to be thought. Look at Turkey! People are inprisoned for helping to organize protests and sharing unwanted thoughts.
Got the message?
TPTB: "The internet is not there to fight us, f***ing bitchez! Its only purpose is to SUPPORT us and distribute propaganda to our brave citizens!"
Illegal search and seizure is against the Bill of Rights.
Using illegal search and seizure to put a chill on free speech and freedom of the press is against the Bill of Rights
Illegal detainment is against the Bill of Rights
Torture is against the Bill of Rights
Taking away the right to be secure in your person and your papers (i.e. all your communications) is against the Bill of Rights
http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-nsa-says-bill-of-rights...
Against the Bill of Rights?
Go ahead enforce your rights, I'm waiting.
I wait , that's what voting is for right?
Suckers!
The Votes are rigged. Ask yourself, who owns the electronic voting system?
ask yourself who selects the candidates you get to vote for? it doesn't matter who wins they are bought as candidates.
Controlling the voting machines is cute, but it fails to recognize the massive chain of corruption before you pull the lever and vote for who they let you vote for.
its a club and you ain't in it.
WAKE UP
This is a limited hang out. If this is what is public , it's worse.
Is that a typo? "$20M per year"
...must be subsidized
SAT 800 is a sock puppet bot posting diarrhea.
Check out it's posting frequency on 06/06/2013
http://www.zerohedge.com/search/user_comments?name=sat+800
SAT 800 has been added to the extensive ZH sockpuppet list.
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This is an earlier post SAT 800 tried to bury by posting garbage:
HEART, your posting frequency has dropped substantially since being asked to explain your egregious Boston Marathon disinfo posts. Is this a coincidence ?
We are still waiting for an explanation but you refuse to respond. Why ?
ZH readers are curious as to why HEART intentionally posts disinfo such as Boston bombing fake injuries / fake blood / crisis actors garbage which is 100% DISINFORMATION.
http://www.zerohedge.com/search/user_comments?name=the+heart
Boston bomb disinfo reposted again by heart #3616167
I have screen caps of your Boston bombing fake injuries / fake blood / crisis actors disinfo posts.
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ZH is being targeted by FedGov spambots & human operatives saturating the comment sections with garbage and disinformation in addition to down voting certain posters.
They are not harmless trolls, they are professional operatives attempting to undermine and discredit ZH via multi nic sock puppets.
Attacking this post by constant down voting speaks for itself: the shills have exposed themselves.
Case closed.
And what?... you didn't think the government wasn't spying on you?
They are liar's and control freak's, period.
I would hazard a guess that the spooks are so busy spookin' each other right now that they don't have any time to do anything else.
Can you just imagine what is going on inside and between those departments right now? Who is watching the watchers?
I hope the bastards are tearing each other to pieces...
This is going to cause a huge shift in the teleommunications world. Go back and read the section about how other nations communications is going through the US system. Now think about all those people in other countries that are waking up and saying "WTF" Now think about all the communication company CEO's that are going to have their butt hauled to their government chambers and be asked "Did you know about this? When will you fix it? The correct answer is in a week."
This is the SWIFT Iran boycott for the communications world.
For every action (exposure of info) there is a reaction.
Wow.
Let's just pretend for a moment that the struggle in the western world is between 'Left' & 'Right' (We all know its more complex than that).
We all suspect that most western government is more of the 'left' (statist in conception) than of the 'Right' (Libertarian in conception). How does the Left ensure its victory without disposing of democracy? It does it by owning the narrative.
Some on this thread have mentioned Abe Lincoln (a character many of us think misappropriated by history). That story is the key. For example, the story of the 1929 meltdown is nearly always misrepresented, and policy now is based on that misrepresentation, almost nobody really understands the statistical story behind the 1920s credit expansion, the 1913 Fed bill etc. If you own history, you own the future and the present, because the lessons of history are distorted.
So how do you own history? It starts in the education system. How many Libertarian teachers do you all know in the state school system? And now we are in a system where the state finds it easy to discriminate between 'people like us' and those of a more 'Right' thinking persuasion - our internet trail. When you apply, they can simply look you up. And soon, there becomes a tipping point where there are enough 'people like us' in the system that the natural tendency is to recruit more 'people like us' and the balance forever changed, and history is largely changed with it.
Free thought is suppressed, by altering the basis on which it is formed. Very soon you reach a point where is not sensible to your prospects to go against the majority, and certainly not to organise against the mainstream because there is no anonymity, ever.
That's the danger. It already happens in the UK to a degree through the university system, and the state media, and the 'people like us' syndrome where there is a pervasive 'centre view' which is nothing of the sort but rather a leftist/statist default. If you add a level of intrusive security to that, then the potential is that 'opposing views' soon become the enemy within, and the power moves to actively rather than passively discriminate against the holders of opposing views.
You can read all this through the Fabian Society.The most dangerous organisation in the world today.
Good piece.
I certainly see the UK in that analysis, where brainwashing begins at an early age throughout the state-dominated educational system. When somebody leaves school/college/university, if their political/social views are not, at least, on the mushy Left (described cutely as "centre ground" or "progressive"), the system is deemed to have failed and the person is smeared with labels such as "far right".
i call it mal-education. Intentionally providing misinformation and techniques that fail to educate or teach one how to critically think and understand the world around them.
It's kind of like deliberately maiming everyone to cut down on walking and running. we are a nation of mental cripples, most nurse their lives in front of a television, afraid to think about their own existence.
No one knows who killed JFK but everyone knows who shot J.R. (Ewing)
It used to be known as the land of the free....now America is an oppresssive fascist state.
Someone explain this to me. How can Mr Manning have access to classified information, considering his rank and expertice. If this wide cast net of gathering information via electronic sources is credible, why have all these so-called security lapses happened? The Boston bombers were not caught and after the fact, the Soviet's said they actually warned the US security forces. Am I missing something? Perhaps corruption to the core has mitigated any increase in technological advances?
Spying on your citizens? Where is the electorate?
Bide their time?
I generally favour cock up over conspiracy most times- I imagine that so much intelligence data now moves through the hands of the MI community on a daily basis that they are simply swamped. Algorithm searching will only get you so far with any data discovery task, then you have to use personnel to sift the remaining info. Manning might be junior but everyone works their way up a system of one kind or another, you canot isolate all the material from the junior staff because there just aren't enough officers to do all the work and the organisation would be top heavy if there were.
On Boston, the same is probably true - so much info that a threat slipped through the net or just wasn't followed up properly, a false negative recorded somewhere by someone who took a minor shortcut. The system then takes over and unless new data comes in strong enough to cause alarm then the subject is ignored? Despite our skepticism about governments self serving motives at times, it probably doesn't help re-election to have a major terrorist atrocity on your watch, and also we don't necessarily know how many threats are effectively countered but definately know how many get through.
The general rule is that government is no smarter than the rest of us, and a secret is hard to keep, so therefore cock up over conspiracy nearly every time.
I agree on the incompetence factor but why the blanket- we will capture all communications? They will not do any better at stopping attacks (their raison d'etre). Why challenge the citizen's right to security in their property and persons? Why not protect individuals according to the constitution? National security is a reason for government but not when government and their bureuacrats enforce laws ex-constitutional.
"Cock-up over conspiracy" is the same line spewed out in the UK.
I came to the conclusion a long time ago that it's BOTH. Meaning that government ARE involved in conspiracies - plenty of them - BUT they also make a lot of cock-ups in carrying them out, due to the high number of buffoons that work in government.
The whole point of classifying information is to be able to inside trade and hide your cock ups.
The nsa/cia/fbi are vacuuming up data off of every electronic device globally, yet they have not prosecuted any wall street fraud, which trawling through the trove of data they have collected should be very easy.
They don't want to show their hand, they don't want the wankers to know how their getting fucked over.
I never met a poor director of the CIA or an upper level CIA person who wasn't skull and bones, or a skull and bones who didn't come from money. follow the trail, the cover story is Terrorism, we must give up our rights to be protected. The reality is they are fucking us over financially and using terrorism as a cover story.
THe alphabet agencies are the feeder chain for the oligarchy.
Like Bamford said how can you find terrorist by making the haystack bigger? They add more data by survielling an entire nation to find a few so called terroris? It doesn't make any sense, its obviously not about terrorism.
So what its about boys and girls?
money and power and control....
I agree. PRISM and other projects have nothing to do with fighting terrorism and everything to do with preserving the status quo and enabling those in power to remain so.
You know big Blue? The computer that couldn't be beat on the tv show Jeopardy? well the NSA has computers that make big blue look like a retard.
We are using their hand me downs. any computer you can buy is a pale shadow of the technology they possess and its been like this since the 1960's.
Suggest you read the keys to the puzzle palace, the 1st book by Bamford on the NSA.
Are the US really the so-called 'land of the free'?
land of the free, home of the brave. obama was hope and change.
its all propaganda.
Ultra-Sonic Listening Device - 1955
Declassified 9/29/2011
Biomimetic voice identifier- NSA
Time Bombs From the Past
Think this is unconstitutional? Violates the fourth amendment you say? Apparently SCOTUS disagrees. According to a ruling, United States v.s. United States District Court in 1972 SCOTUS found that essentially the President can override the fourth amendment for national security reasons.
Some excerpts from the brief:
I believe there are a few more Supreme Court cases with similar implications. It will be very, very difficult to undo this. In the brief, they talk about congressional intent giving the executive branch the power to override the fourth amendment and even have transcript of debate between senators confirming that the laws intent included a narrow instance for Presidential power to obtain electronic surveillance without a warrant.
Does the way in which the Justices decided sound familiar? It should if your familiar with Supreme Court Justice John Robert's majority brief for the health care individual mandate case. He wrote that the intent of congress was to recognize the "fine" for not having health insurance as a tax in which congress has broad authority. And this was one of the reasons for the ruling.
So, what this means is the horse has already left the barn, it just didn't have very far to go until recent times with the invention of the internet and cell phone technology. And the doors remain wide open with no apparent hope to prevent this from growing.
Time bombs from the past!
People are shocked? This was has been coming for years and years and it will only get worse. Its adorable how people are now angry and finally realising that maybe the "enemy" isnt the otherside but out of control gov. American flag waving facism has come home to roost and "So this is how liberty dies...with thunderous applause." to quote Padme. You guys know whats the next step? Companies and politicians want this: Taking away anonymity. Thats right. Next step is to get everyone a "login" because it will be "safe" to shop at Amazon etc.. pirated sites will be just blocked or even if you find a away to go there. System can see what you are doing and send you cease and desist.
Btw, in Bloomberg now, Dan Clifton says "we need to have a public conversation about this.. and constitution protects us". Time for conversation is pretty much over when you lost the game. I has been game over for years.
For people like Dan dont understand that constitution doens really protect shit. The SC is just another political organization that swings. So relax, have a drink, game or man, its game over..
Yahoo? How the fuck did they get an invite to this gig?
AT&T moved all their user email accounts for anyone with an internet connection through them to Yahoo! several years ago.
Tons of tasty treats for the NSA blackhole to suck up and digest.
also regarding the wholesale denials by every body from Apple to Yahoo, keep this in mind:
Key words and tricky phrases. They haven't heard of the government keyword 'PRISM'. They also deny "direct access" which is what every company has said. My guess is that the government said they couldn't comment in general (it being Top Secret and all), but that they could say that "direct access" wasn't granted, with the definition of "direct access" being that the government didn't have complete access and control of their servers. This doesn't mean that the government wasn't running software on their servers or that the company was piping information to government servers. Essentially, these companies are lying to our faces by twisting words but are being covered by the government. And they know that even if they do illegal things that the government will pass a retroactive immunity bill if problems arise.
So, fuck Google and everybody else. They should have fought this and leaked it at the start, but they didn't have the balls to do so.
I thought everybody already knew that they did this?
the gestapo, kgb and stazi (to name a few) would have LOVED this.
This has been a continuing program(s) for years. Don't pretend to be so naive. Right, buy gold. The world's coming to an end.
Gathering data.... wonderful. But what ACTION do they take? the FBI was forewarned of the boston bombers by russia and saudi arabia told homeyland security the specifics of a planned bombing attack by the dynamic duo. THE "GUBMENT" DID NOT A FUCKING THING AND LET ALL THOSE PEOPLE GET KILLED AND MAIMED. So my quesiton is why have the data if there is no ACTION.. Unless of course the plan is to declare martial law and then round up the people on the list in one fell swoop. The NSA interepted the phone call from the benghazi al queda to the Mali ql queda... they knew who did it ... but he "FBI" is still investigating. So in other words we are totally being LIED TO ..... ABOUT EVERYTHING.
Also if all this data has been collected, why isnt Congress NOW demanding access to the files on the relevant SCANDALS... FAST AND FURIOUS, BANGHAZI, IRS, PRESS INTIMIDATION, HEALTH CARE etc, etc etc ... the FBI was totally informed by a Chechen paid informant of the intentions of 2 of the hijackers and DID NOTHING.... same goes for Timothy Mc Veigh... SO AGAIN I ASK.... WHAT THE FUCK DO THEY NEED THE DATA FOR IF THEY DONT ACT???????
I have a bridge or two to sell you... on Mars.
The Boston "bombing" was a complete and utter HOAX as was Sandy Hook Elementary (Sandy Hoax) involving crisis actors (more at http://www.crisisactors.org)
Add these latest revelations to the latest ribbon-cutting at Camp Williams UT, and well, youve got yourselves a recipe for having a bad time.
What me worry?
Rimes with?
meh.
And, just like PROMIS which brought us the bio-engineered superviral chimera pathogens of the "bird/swine flu" variety, PRISM was most likely developed on the Oracle platform and is being run on a supercomputer array underneath McLean VA called literally "the beast".
http://rense.com/general87/ilmn.htm
From the Washington Post article:
... which itself is the Washington Post term for fascism.