This page has been archived and commenting is disabled.

The NSA, AT&T And The Secrets Of Room 641A

Tyler Durden's picture


Our final observation on the matter of the US government, no longer accountable to anyone, and treating its citizens as indentured debt serfs who are entitled to precisely zero privacy rights, comes from Stephen Wolfson and "The NSA, AT&T And The Secrets Of Room 641A."

It is an impartial view of what is really going on in the world of communication surveillance. The reality is that while the NSA, which is a public entity through and through, is allowed and expected to do whatever its superiors tell it (i.e., the White House), how does one justify the complete betrayal of their customers by private corporations such as Verizon and AT&T? This may be the most insidious and toxic symbiosis between the public and private sector in the recent past. Because if private telecom corporations are willing to bend all the rules when it comes to the US government, just what do all the other companies operating in the US have to do to appease first the Bush and now the Obama administrations?

From the paper:

This note discusses the possible existence of a domestic surveillance/data collection program conducted by the National Security Agency (“NSA”) with the assistance of AT&T, and the implications of such a program under the Electronic Communications Privacy Act (“ECPA”). This article first examines a May 11, 2006 USA Today article reporting that the NSA was given access to a huge number of call records from AT&T. Next, it turns to the story of former AT&T technician Mark Klein and the Electronic Frontier Foundation’s (“EFF”) case, Hepting v. AT&T Corporation. Klein claims that the NSA has built a “secret room” in AT&T’s San Francisco switching center that grants the agency access to a vast amount of customer information. In Hepting, the EFF alleges that AT&T violated the Stored Communications Act, Title II of the ECPA; the Wiretap Act, Title I of the ECPA; and the Pen Register Statute, Title III of the ECPA. Finally, this article addresses the Protect America Act of 2007 and provides analysis of expert opinions in the field.

Room 641A:

Room 641A is located in the SBC Communications building at 611 Folsom Street, San Francisco, three floors of which were occupied by AT&T before SBC purchased AT&T. The room was referred to in internal AT&T documents as the SG3 [Study Group 3] Secure Room. It is fed by fiber optic lines from beam splitters installed in fiber optic trunks carrying Internet backbone traffic and, as analyzed by J. Scott Marcus, a former CTO for GTE and a former adviser to the FCC, has access to all Internet traffic that passes through the building, and therefore "the capability to enable surveillance and analysis of internet content on a massive scale, including both overseas and purely domestic traffic." Former director of the NSA’s World Geopolitical and Military Analysis Reporting Group, William Binney, has estimated that 10 to 20 such facilities have been installed throughout the nation.


The room measures about 24 by 48 feet (7.3 by 15 m) and contains several racks of equipment, including a Narus STA 6400, a device designed to intercept and analyze Internet communications at very high speeds.


The very existence of the room was revealed by a former AT&T technician, Mark Klein, and was the subject of a 2006 class action lawsuit by the Electronic Frontier Foundation against AT&T.[5] Klein claims he was told that similar black rooms are operated at other facilities around the country.


Room 641A and the controversies surrounding it were subjects of an episode of Frontline, the current affairs documentary program on PBS. It was originally broadcast on May 15, 2007. It was also featured on PBS's NOW on March 14, 2008. The room was also covered in the PBS NOVA episode "The Spy Factory".


Much more can be read about Room 641A in Wired Magazine.

Full paper below (pdf link)


- advertisements -

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:31 | 3629968 SilverIsKing
SilverIsKing's picture

They are much better with cheese and bacon.

Oh, and by the way, it's called Build-A-Burgers.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:35 | 3629992 doomandbloom
doomandbloom's picture

Feeling so safe right now!

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:39 | 3630015 maskone909
maskone909's picture

will this be the straw to break the camels back?  i would like to think so.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:51 | 3630066 NotApplicable
NotApplicable's picture

Not likely, given it's an almost TEN year old story. I've always loved their defense, "But this software only reads email headers!"

For anyone who isn't familiar with email formats, the header is just the first part of the message, so it is trivial to obtain or not obtain the body of the message once intercepted.

As I always tell people, an email is no different than a postcard (header on one part, body on another). Then I ask them if they'd trust the government to only read the header (address) data only.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:53 | 3630078 johnQpublic
johnQpublic's picture

do it to julia!

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:04 | 3630137 The Big Ching-aso
The Big Ching-aso's picture

For Gawd's sake take down every picture on your bedroom walls before it's too late.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:07 | 3630166 francis_sawyer
francis_sawyer's picture

What the hell do you expect when you set yourself up to answer to cheesepopes by proxy?

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:13 | 3630197 Fukushima Sam
Fukushima Sam's picture

Real terrorists use encryption.  So just who the hell are they really spying on?

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:16 | 3630218 Manthong
Manthong's picture

Pax Americana, Bitchez..
“security of the slave.. peace of the grave”
-Concepts courtesy of JFK

Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace, the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living, the kind that enables men and nations to grow and to hope and to build a better life for their children’   - 

He was referring to the Soviet Union then..  who might he refer to now?

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 14:14 | 3630768 Pooper Popper
Pooper Popper's picture

Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny. Thomas Jefferson

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 14:33 | 3630852 The Big Ching-aso
The Big Ching-aso's picture

Hey look on the bright side.   At least it's not Room 101.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 16:31 | 3631292 toys for tits
toys for tits's picture

I bet they ignore any email that has a subject line starting with "FWD: Fwd: Fwd:.

Just like the ones with cat pictures that I get from my grandma.

The seriousness of the breach of privacy aside, it's kind of funny to think of all these types of messages that they have to view.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 13:35 | 3630499 Ident 7777 economy
Ident 7777 economy's picture



Sam: "Real terrorists use encryption. So just who the hell are they really spying on?"


That's the 10,000 dollar fine-per-event question ...


Doesn't anybody 'PGP' anymore?



How to Use PGP Public Keys With Yahoo
How to Use PGP Public Keys With Yahoo | eHow



How can I use encryption with Gmail?




Thu, 06/06/2013 - 13:55 | 3630674 King_Julian
King_Julian's picture

Peeps in the IT security business say encryption is a flag for more scrutiny. I would still use it. You should be acting local to bring these fuckers to justice. Leave the cell at home and visit face to face. Make these bitches work for the information they demand. Use TOR for some privacy too. Use encrypted thumb drives. Boot from a CDROM. Turn your phone off when you do errands. You will need these abilities. Better get more rope.

Fuck you Holder.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 14:14 | 3630767 Meme Iamfurst
Meme Iamfurst's picture


I'd guess after the Tampa babe scandel insident that the targets are high up military folks.  Keep them close just incase they are needed.


Of course, since 85% of the traffic on the net is porn, these guys must feel like doctors when they go home to see the little woman naked.  Yawn, yawn...

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 14:16 | 3630777 Meme Iamfurst
Meme Iamfurst's picture


I'd guess after the Tampa babe scandel insident that the targets are high up military folks.  Keep them close just incase they are needed.


Of course, since 85% of the traffic on the net is porn, these guys must feel like doctors when they go home to see the little woman naked.  Yawn, yawn...

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 14:36 | 3630869 ExpendableOne
ExpendableOne's picture

An encrypted link between phone a and b is a nice bit of info.  Maybe put you on yet another list for further scrutiny.  What the news does not cover today is that if they asked for such information from Verizon, they no doubt have it from all the other carriers. So, in the digital age if you want privacy, send a damn snail mail letter.


Now, whos going to build that web site which makes all the congress critter communications transparent?

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 15:10 | 3630991 WillyGroper
WillyGroper's picture

That's one reason why they're killing the post office.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 15:07 | 3630965 Kirk2NCC1701
Kirk2NCC1701's picture

Q: "So just who the hell are they really spying on?"

A:  They're spying on the potential leaders of the future Resistance, when the financial outhouse they created finally collapses.  The alleged 'targets' they could care less about.  Don't confuse 'Reason' with 'Pretext'.  At some point, any physical dissident will be branded and persecuted as a 'terra-ist'.  Nothing/little is ever as it appears in the Palace of Mirrors.

Getting EVERYONE to encrypt, forces them to scale the data center beyond their capacity.  That is one way to fight back and say "FU, you Constitution raypers*!"

* I know it's misspelled.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:14 | 3630205 Joe Davola
Joe Davola's picture

Since the government has set themselves up as the purveyor of electromagnetic aether, try bidding on frequency spectrum after denying them access your captive audience's data.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 17:25 | 3631476 IndyPat
IndyPat's picture

Bingo was his nameo!

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 16:07 | 3630941 Kirk2NCC1701
Kirk2NCC1701's picture

Sawyer, I've asked this b4:  WTF is a "cheesepope"?  Can you xplain it in a way you won't get 'turfed'?  Thx.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:08 | 3630170 Precious
Precious's picture

Shout-out to all my fans and followers at the NSA, DOD, DHS, CIA, FBI, IRS, TSA, ATF and SEC.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 13:26 | 3630565 Cheduba
Cheduba's picture

I hope we're entertaining them at least.  Poor guys probably read MDB's posts to give themselves an ego boost.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:04 | 3630142 fourchan
fourchan's picture

they are doing a shitty job at stoping chinese hacking if this story is true.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:15 | 3630214 Joe Davola
Joe Davola's picture

If there is hacking, then <insert latest boogeyman here> have to get in line behind our boogeymen.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:08 | 3630160 Precious
Precious's picture

<- AT&T sucks

<- Verizon sucks

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 16:36 | 3631318 toys for tits
toys for tits's picture

<- All contract players suck.


Just buy the prepaid cards for Straight Talk, Virgin, Boost, etc. and don't transport your old phone number. If you get a lot of debt collection calls at first, you're doing it right.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:34 | 3630314 V in PA
V in PA's picture

Obama must have really pissed someone / some-group off. All of these 'scandals' are commonplace, status quo, SNAFU. This kind of crap happens all the time. The only difference is that the sheep are normally not told about it or it is just metioned once at the botom of page 12.


Why are the sheep being told?  That what we need to be asking ourselves.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 13:33 | 3630601 IdiocracyIsAlre...
IdiocracyIsAlreadyHere's picture

I think that the small time scandals may in fact being deliberately leaked by the adminsitration to continue to keeps peoples' eyes of the big picture.  I riles up the usual suspects (the masses who think their friends on the "Red team" would do things differently) and continues to make their opponents look foolish.  Hence renewed whining about "KenyanMuslimSocialist" and not BankOwnedDroneObsessedSecrecyObsessedPowerMadFriendofthePlutocracy (the reality).

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 18:58 | 3631634 Umh
Umh's picture

It could be a distraction or a feint, but everybody does it has never been a valid excuse.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 14:17 | 3630781 TuPhat
TuPhat's picture

These secret rooms provide the data that is going to be sent to the largest data storage facility in the world being built in the desert in Utah.  ZH had an article about it but I don't remember exactly when.  This will continue.  The only end will come when the govt. can't use fiat to pay for it.  I don't welcome that day but I am trying to prepare for it.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 16:51 | 3631370 Rick64
Rick64's picture

Another story that is over a decade old is Amdocs and Converse sys. which totally comprimised all communications including our gov.. agencies.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:53 | 3630087 Fish Gone Bad
Fish Gone Bad's picture

will this be the straw to break the camels back?  i would like to think so.

This and many more things will soon be forgotten.  For anyone with an attention span greater than a fruit fly, the 800 pound gorilla in the room is still Fukushima.  All the world's efforts should really be exerted on digging up that smoldering mess, washing it down with a bunch of chelating agents and disposing of it. 

The spying will continue because it always does...

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 14:20 | 3630795 carbon
carbon's picture

tes testin testing my dear

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 15:18 | 3631031 WillyGroper
WillyGroper's picture

Suppose that's why Miffed is having trouble getting iodine? Think of all those thyroids.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:44 | 3630034 BLOTTO
BLOTTO's picture

The room is a portal leading into Ben Bernankes head...


or John Malkovich...

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:52 | 3630069 Canadian Dirtlump
Canadian Dirtlump's picture

As in the Matrix, That is where bernanke, the architect, resides LOL!


Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:06 | 3630136 tickhound
tickhound's picture



I pledge allegiance, to the NSA, and the United Corporations of a'Murica.

As for the public, on which they stand


Under Skynet


with suspicion and data collection on all... except really, really high net worth individuals.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 13:02 | 3630467 MisterA
MisterA's picture

There's no knob on that door.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 13:44 | 3630635 Meatier Shower
Meatier Shower's picture

The knobs built it.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:54 | 3630092 Ignatius
Ignatius's picture

Yeah, what a farce.

One has to wonder if there's a nod, a wink or a secret handshake... I mean, these people can't take themselves seriously when talking 'democracy' and 'freedom' and such.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:13 | 3630198 A Lunatic
A Lunatic's picture

Sure they can. A Democracy is a corruption of a Republic and once there is a majority participating in the new Democracy that consider freedom to be nothing more than getting handouts and protection from the Nany State there is really nothing to be ashamed of. Once you understand that one man's freedom is another man's enslavement, all under the guise of equality, it all makes perfect sense.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 13:40 | 3630624 Ignatius
Ignatius's picture

Talk about missing the point.  I'm talking about how THEY use the words.

Now put your arm back in its socket and if I need you to explain that we're a constitutional republic, that rights are inumerated not granted, I'll call on ya.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:33 | 3630302 moneybots
moneybots's picture

Democracy and freedom.  Buzz words.

Number one, the U.S. is a constitutional republic, as in "It's a republic, if you can keep it."  It is the constitutional republic we are in danger of losing.

Freedom for who to do what?  Bush said "they hate us for our freedoms", yet the land that Texas stadium was built on was effectively confiscated from its owner, as i understand it.

Will of the people- except when the vote goes against the loser.  Then its off to court to try to overturn the will of the people.  So much for democracy.

Both political parties compete to stuff as many U.S. Flags as possible behind the podium.  More flags, nore pretense of  patriotism.



Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:39 | 3630341 V in PA
V in PA's picture

This 'Republic' you speak of died with the passage of the 17th Amendment. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 14:22 | 3630802 TuPhat
TuPhat's picture

Bush was a socialist when he was the governor of Texas.  I didn't vote for him as governor or pres.  We lost the republic.  We have a democracy where socialists pretend to be democrats or republicans and get elected to be the pretender in chief and the solution to all of our problems is moar fiat and moar war.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 16:43 | 3631342 Kirk2NCC1701
Kirk2NCC1701's picture

You guys need to...

(1) Read and re-read Sun Tzu's The Art of War, The Prince by Machiavelli, and perhaps Von Clausewitz (Vom Kriege / On War).  This is mandatory reading for all mid and high level military people.  The first two books are also almost mandatory in many MBA schools.

(2)  Think of ‘Asymmetric Activities’.   We know from Sun Tsu that, when dealing with a stronger opponent, to never ever take them on in a full-frontal situation or on their terms.

One asymmetric solution they can't get around (since you make the laws of physics your BNF) is:  Inflate their Bandwidth needs beyond belief à encrypt everything. Especially if it's insignificant gibberish you don't care about.  Make them use CPU time on pure junk.

This is the 'Distraction' part of the Magician's Trick (Distraction & Action), that you are now against them.

The 'Action' part is... If you have personal or otherwise sensitive stuff, be creative in moving that info (a) via low-tech that requires precious people resources, and (b) do it in plain sight.  You're now flooding them with 'noise', not 'intel'.

Let them know that We The People take our Constitutional rights to privacy seriously!

Their only counter-move, would be to force everyone to have an RFID implant! But then we will have reached the proverbial "666" scenario, where no one is able to buy, sell or transact w/o them knowing about all the details.   Welcome to the Serpent's Prison Planet.



Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:31 | 3629972 Pladizow
Pladizow's picture




War is Peace

Slavery is Freedom

Ignorance is Strength

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:37 | 3630001 hankwil74
hankwil74's picture




Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:45 | 3630039 EscapeKey
EscapeKey's picture

Debt is prosperity.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:49 | 3630056 Yes We Can. But...
Yes We Can. But Lets Not.'s picture

Slavery is Hope

StatusQuo is Change

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:54 | 3630082 Jack Burton
Jack Burton's picture

"Ignorance is fucking bliss"

"McDonalds serves food"

"FOX is a news channel"

"The Police serve and protect"

"Iraq was a liberation"

A guy could go on forever with the lies the USA now lives on.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:03 | 3630134 Fish Gone Bad
Fish Gone Bad's picture

"The Police serve and protect"

I spoke with an ex-sheriff and he said that the police make it as difficult as possible to report crime, that way the crime statistics go down. 

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:10 | 3630187 Winston Smith 2009
Winston Smith 2009's picture

"that way the crime statistics go down"

So does their work load.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:08 | 3630172 Skateboarder
Skateboarder's picture

"HFCS is the same as cane sugar."

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 15:06 | 3630972 Almost Solvent
Almost Solvent's picture

CORN SUGAR!!! It's corn sugar, not HFCS - that sound gross!!

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 13:54 | 3630670 Ignatius
Ignatius's picture

"The Police serve and protect."

Like Todashev:

The FBI murdered this kid.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 16:11 | 3631211 Kirk2NCC1701
Kirk2NCC1701's picture

For the sake of Truth In Advertising, they should add the letters "TPTB" to all cop cars with the motto: "To Serve & Protect" --> "To Serve & Protect TPTB"

Now you can say we got 'honest cops'.  /sarc

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:52 | 3630068 Jack Burton
Jack Burton's picture

Indeed Pladizow! And the US Mainstream Media sends the fools this message over the airwaves and fiber optic cables every minute of every day. Just tune into the Police State Whore Channels, like CNN, FOX and MSNBC.

I am watching RT, until the American police state pulls the plug. I am amazed every moring when I swtich to channel 280 and the bloody channel is STILL ON. Why hasn't it been shut down? It is amazing what they get away with saying on there. They even openly poke fun at Wolf Blitzer and FOX on some shows like "Breaking the Set", where your host smashes a TV with Wolf talking on it with a sledge hammer. Love it!

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:01 | 3630121 Go Tribe
Go Tribe's picture

OK, I just found it online. Is there another way to get the feeds?

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:11 | 3630189 medium giraffe
medium giraffe's picture

Breaking The Set?


Mmmm... Abby... Sit on my face and tell me about Benghazi, you naughty, naughty girl!

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:17 | 3630225 dick cheneys ghost
dick cheneys ghost's picture

one word.............US/NATO/CIA blowback

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 13:54 | 3630667 medium giraffe
medium giraffe's picture

Gonna require some deeper penetration to get to the facts...

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 17:02 | 3631401 Jack Burton
Jack Burton's picture

Abby! Sit on my face forever baby!

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:55 | 3630098 Esso
Esso's picture

Double +1984 Good!

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:33 | 3629984 Hippocratic Oaf
Hippocratic Oaf's picture

Just received this from Verizon today.

Don't think image of associate can come up but one guess her ethnicity.......




Valued Verizon Customer:                                        


I want to welcome you as a new valued Verizon customer!


Hopefully your recent Verizon FiOS installation exceeded your expectation.


I will also follow-up your initial bill and reach out to assist with any questions.


If you have any issues or questions relative to your installation, services or initial bill, please don’t hesitate to reach out to me.



Precious White                       

Verizon FiOS Clerk




Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:41 | 3630025 Matt
Matt's picture

I'd guess Filipino; they tend to choose odd English names to go by when working in customer service.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:20 | 3630237 moonman
moonman's picture

Once had a "Tourist liasion" in another country named "Mary Christmas"

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:46 | 3630044 dolph9
dolph9's picture

i didn't know there was such a thing as a "precious white"

i thought only blacks, jews, and illegal mexicans were precious, and that white americans were chattel

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:55 | 3630064 Hippocratic Oaf
Hippocratic Oaf's picture

she's black. couldn't load image.

the timing of the email and shady govt BS is why I posted

and Precious White? Really?

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:57 | 3630110 NotApplicable
NotApplicable's picture

I guessed it the instant I saw the first name. The last name made it beyond obvious.

At least it's spelled correctly.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:25 | 3630260 DollarMenu
DollarMenu's picture

Sounds like the name of someone's very special cat.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:02 | 3630118 Jack Burton
Jack Burton's picture

Not just white Americans my friend. But the hatred that is displayed for Russians is mostly envy and hate because the Russian native peoples are white. Very white, and they are not working to destroy the ancient culture or race of the central nation. Imagine how angry that makes some people!

Hey, I am Scandianvian, we are rivals of the Russians, but we get the same hate thrown at us for being white. It gets worse every year. Even many whites in Europe have been conditioned by Liberal Educators and Government thugs to hate their own race, culture and history. Fuck that, I ain't knuckling under to that shit!


Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:15 | 3630215 gaoptimize
gaoptimize's picture

What is the most white identifiable interest group in America?  Preppers.  These things tend to even out after a while.  I've shared your concern and passion on this topic since I read Pat Buchanan's 1997 book "The Death of the West".  The Stockholm riots are changing quite a few minds in Scandinavia.  Like I said, these problems tend to even out after a while.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:34 | 3630315 Ghordius
Ghordius's picture

"Even many whites in Europe have been conditioned by Liberal Educators and Government thugs to hate their own race, culture and history"

ok, let's see. Not in Portugal. Not in Spain. Not in Malta. Not in Italy. Surely not in Greece. Absolutely not in Cyprus. Not in France, mais non! Not in Austria. Not in Germany (exception: the Nazi legacy). Not in Poland, Hungary, ...

do you note a pattern? It's mainly you Scandies and the British Isles. You are simply more "exposed" to the AngloSphere - including third wave feminism, etc. In fact, when it comes to rabid feminism, it's Sweden that agrees, amplifies and re-exports

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:55 | 3630385 V in PA
V in PA's picture

Not sure where you are from, but in many parts of America the people from Spain, Portugal, Malta, Italy, Greece and Cyprus are not considered white.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 13:54 | 3630669 Kirk2NCC1701
Kirk2NCC1701's picture

They're not 'Brown' (Middle Eastern).  I've seen whiter-looking Spaniards, Portuguese and Italians that some Anglos, French or Germans.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 14:15 | 3630769 V in PA
V in PA's picture

They are Olive Skinned.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 16:17 | 3631244 Kirk2NCC1701
Kirk2NCC1701's picture

LOL.  Don't most of pay money (at tanning salons and vacations) to get that Olive color?  Ironic, no?  ;-)

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 16:49 | 3631362 Ghordius
Ghordius's picture

LOL - I know, and I find it hilarious, as most europeans

don't forget that we are differently mixed spatially and differently genetically - you can still travel in many parts 50 miles further and people look different, may speak a different dialect, may have a different religion and even a 500 year long rivalry versus your city/region

with a trained eye you can still pick out different tribes of Saxons, or of Ligurians, or of Lombards, or Normans. Once you know the differences, a Calabrese will look profoundly different from a Sicilian, etc. etc.

I'm told Swiss can still trace visually, in the faces of the typical villagers the genetic trail of a Russian army of 1810

if we'd look at the thing with eyes like those you describe, we'd have big gray areas of "mixed" white/olive populations - half of France, Spain and Italy, for example

same thing in Turkey, in the Balkans, etc

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:43 | 3630027 slaughterer
slaughterer's picture

The stock for AT&T seems not to have noticed that the company will face billions of dollars in FCC par. 222 fines soon.



Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:06 | 3630153 Hippocratic Oaf
Hippocratic Oaf's picture

As I write, T and VZ are up.

Govt. gtd now

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:47 | 3630049 krispkritter
krispkritter's picture

A bunch of elitists playing with their Balls?

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:47 | 3630050 Fish Gone Bad
Fish Gone Bad's picture

People really need to know their place.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:30 | 3629963 gold mans sack
gold mans sack's picture

Why is there a hole in the ceiling?

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:46 | 3630046 RacerX
RacerX's picture

That is where the Ceiling Cat lives.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:13 | 3630195 Buckaroo Banzai
Buckaroo Banzai's picture








Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:08 | 3630176 mudduck
mudduck's picture

Because if it was anywhere else you might put  stuff in it and obstruct the view.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:31 | 3629966 JustObserving
JustObserving's picture

They hate us for our freedoms.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:31 | 3629973 SilverIsKing
SilverIsKing's picture

I need a black and white striped T-Shirt with this printed on it.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:56 | 3630104 ThisIsBob
ThisIsBob's picture

They must hate us a hell of a lot less than they did a few years ago.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:04 | 3630143 Go Tribe
Go Tribe's picture

Ding ding ding!

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:58 | 3630111 RafterManFMJ
RafterManFMJ's picture

They hate us for our freedoms.

Well, you have to admit it's not a lie; see, the 'they' refers to the Elite who run this country. They also hate you for your wealth, for your faith, for your culture. You grok?

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:24 | 3630256 darteaus
darteaus's picture

I'd give you an up arrow, but I don't want that recorded. Sorry...

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:35 | 3630319 Cacete de Ouro
Cacete de Ouro's picture

When Nick Rockefeller was interviewed by Aaron Russo a few years ago, Rockefeller said that microchipping of all humans was being planned. When Russo clarified that that would include the elite, Rockefeller said "ye, but my chip will say 'Kiss my Ass' ", meaning that there would be a hierarchy of monitoring, with exemptions for the elite.

The important take-aways (in my view) are not the chip etc, but why a Rockefeller is aware of this, and why Rockefellers have funded absolutely every fuckin foundation and think tank on the planet, an the G30 to boot.
Surely its more than preserving their wealth? ie It must be part of some shadowy ideological plan?

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:38 | 3630006 Bastiat
Bastiat's picture

What is future of a state so frightened of its citizens?

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:41 | 3630026 Shizzmoney
Shizzmoney's picture

Ghost in the Shell

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:38 | 3630008 saycheeeese
saycheeeese's picture

maybe we should jam the system...?

provide us with a list of all sensitive words and let's spread out the word for a maximum of people around the country calling each other and  read the list...   will be funny

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 14:02 | 3630710 Max Cynical
Max Cynical's picture

Copy this into your signature block on every e-mail. Feel free to add to the list...



Domestic security




Law enforcement


Disaster assistance

Disaster management

DNDO (Domestic Nuclear Detection Office)

National preparedness





Dirty bomb

Domestic nuclear detection

Emergency management

Emergency response

First responder

Homeland security

Maritime domain awareness (MDA)

National preparedness initiative



Shots fired




Explosion (explosive)


Disaster medical assistance team (DMAT)

Organized crime


National Security

State of emergency








Bomb (squad or threat)




Emergency Landing

Pipe bomb





Chemical spill

Suspicious package/device


National laboratory

Nuclear facility

Nuclear threat






Biological infection (or event)


Chemical burn




Hazardous material incident

Industrial spill


Powder (white)




Blister agent

Chemical agent



Nerve agent



North Korea










Food Poisoning

Foot and Mouth (FMD)






Small Pox


Human to human

Human to Animal


Center for Disease Control (CDC)

Drug Administration (FDA)

Public Health


Agro Terror

Tuberculosis (TB)


















Norvo Virus


World Health Organization (WHO)

Viral Hemorrhagic Fever

E. Coli


Infrastructure security


CIKR (Critical Infrastructure & Key Resources)



Computer infrastructure

Communications infrastructure


Critical infrastructure

National infrastructure



Airplane (and derivatives)

Chemical fire




Port Authority

NBIC (National Biosurveillance Integration Center)

Transportation security




Body scanner


Failure or outage

Black out

Brown out






Service disruption

Power lines


Drug cartel



















U.S. Consulate


El Paso

Fort Hancock

San Diego

Ciudad Juarez




Mara Salvatrucha

MSI3 or MS-13

Drug war

Mexican army


Cartel de Golfo

Gulf Cartel

La Familia


Nuevo Leon


Narco banners (Spanish equivalents)

Los Zetas










Meth Lab

Drug trade

Illegal immigrants

Smuggling (smugglers)






Barrio Azteca

Artistic Assassins


New Federation


AI Qaeda (all spellings)







Environmental terrorist

Eco terrorism

Conventional weapon


Weapons grade

Dirty bomb



Chemical weapon

Biological weapon

Ammonium nitrate

Improvised explosive device

IED (Improvised Explosive Device)

Abu Sayyaf


FARC (Armed Revolutionary Forces Colombia)

IRA (Irish Republican Army)

ETA (Euskadi ta Askatasuna)

Basque Separatists


Tamil Tigers

PLF (Palestine Liberation Front)

PLO (Palestine Liberation Organization)

Car bomb



Weapons cache

Suicide bomber

Suicide attack

Suspicious substance

AQAP (Al Qaeda Arabian Peninsula)

AQIM (Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb)

TTP (Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan)








Home Grown


















Extreme weather

Forest fire

Brush fire






Tsunami Warning Center









Mud slide or Mudslide


Power outage

Brown out









Emergency Broadcast System


Cyber security


DDOS (dedicated denial of service)




Key logger

Cyber Command




Root kit


Cain and Abel

Brute forcing

Mysql injection

Cyber attack

Cyber terror






Social Media



U.S. Diplomat

U.S. Ambassador




Fast and Furious


U.S. Government






Shoulder Fired


Allahu Akbar




Domestic Terrorist


New York

Times Square

Water supply

Water treatment

Water Canal



Pump station

Suitcase bomb

Electric grid




Thu, 06/06/2013 - 15:05 | 3630967 Fuku Ben
Fuku Ben's picture


What's that?

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 15:37 | 3631009 medium giraffe
medium giraffe's picture

Pedantic mode:  DDOS is Distributed Denial Of Service.  Wouldn't want you to miss a flag.  Dedicated Denial Of Service is probably more like the service AOL provide (Always Off Line).

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:38 | 3630009 John Law Lives
John Law Lives's picture

Seems like someone also published an article on ZH not long ago re. Google and how often they are complicit with government requests for user data.  So little privacy these days...

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:48 | 3630051 Aurora Ex Machina
Aurora Ex Machina's picture

One area where D-Wave's device might be helpful is searching the web for images. In 2009, Google collaborated with D-Wave to develop a machine-learning algorithm that allowed an older version D-Wave's hardware to recognise pictures of cars. The newer machine could build on this, perhaps improving Google's novel search by image feature, which allows users to search using an image as the starting point – much harder than finding images using keywords.

Though Google will have access to the machine, the newly purchased D-Wave Two will be installed at the NASA Ames Research Center in Moffett Field, California. It will be operated by the Universities Space Research Association (USRA), which will give a fifth of the machine's time to outside researchers. [New Scientist 16th May]


Blue - Red - Yellow - Blue - Green - Red


The investment arms of the CIA and Google are both backing a company that monitors the web in real time — and says it uses that information to predict the future.

The company is called Recorded Future, and it scours tens of thousands of websites, blogs and Twitter accounts to find the relationships between people, organizations, actions and incidents — both present and still-to-come. In a white paper, the company says its temporal analytics engine “goes beyond search” by “looking at the ‘invisible links’ between documents that talk about the same, or related, entities and events.” [Source 2010]


None of this is very shocking if you read the news.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:56 | 3630102 EscapeKey
EscapeKey's picture

Oh FFS, the D-Wave unicorn quantum computer is a "specialized" version - ie, it doesn't work for anything like the generic case, so good luck running Shor's algorithm. And I say "specialized" because most of their claims are extremely questionable, and they haven't opened up for peer reviews.

I swear if I hear that bullshit-and-certainly-not-generic-quantum-computer being touted as an actual quantum computer again, I'll blow a fuse.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:28 | 3630278 Aurora Ex Machina
Aurora Ex Machina's picture



Sorry, couldn't resist - of course it's just a hook-word to get PR / eyeballs for the goons. What's more interesting for a financial blog is that the two are sinking cash into it, and that it's being used as a bit of a decoy for the Tier0/1 network arms race that's going on at the moment:

At the end of May, an international group of high performance computing researchers gathered at the International HPC Forum in Changsha, China. One of the talks detailed the specs for the new Tianhe-2 system, which as we reported last week, is expected to rather dramatically top the Top500 list of the world’s fastest supercomputers. [HPC June 2nd 2013]


Google etc are sinking $100 mil into D-wave, which in these terms is what we call "a bit of a punt", given that's about the same as Titan.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:44 | 3630377 EscapeKey
EscapeKey's picture

Google invests in a lot of things. Some of these investments have higher risks attached.

I wouldn't count the chicken just yet in this regard.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 14:14 | 3630762 IndyPat
IndyPat's picture

So the pursuit doesn't fucking concern you? Fucking dense. Just because it ain't in their reach now doesn't mean it won't be cause they want it really fucking bad and with a little grant from the CIA black check book, it ain't a matter of money just time...they got plenty of both...we don't.
What the fuck is wrong with you? Goddamn savant. We know you're all smart and everything, but unblurr that laser focus and gather in the total of the fucking ugly picture being painted.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 14:47 | 3630915 EscapeKey
EscapeKey's picture

The reason why it's a big deal at current, is because cryptography to a large extent is based on factorization of large primes.

However, there are other cryptographic solutions which won't be cracked with quantum computers. And an increasing amount of research is being done in this area.

Finally, quantum computers is a big of a boogerman in this regard. They're theoretically very fast - at an extremely specialized task. Something more mundane, like running Microsoft Office or playing Civilization 5 - um, yeah, that's not really what they're for.

Besides, having lots of money is no guarantee of anything. Companies like Microsoft and IBM sit with shitloads of cash, and can potentially raise much more over a short period of time, but that doesn't mean they make all the technological breakthroughs. These companies at the same time have to deal with a crazy amount of red tape.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:55 | 3630096 NotApplicable
NotApplicable's picture

Well, we are Google's product.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:41 | 3630011 Aurora Ex Machina
Aurora Ex Machina's picture

Twitter: 1355 Market St #900, San Francisco, CA, United States


Just Sayin'

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:17 | 3630228 Kirk2NCC1701
Kirk2NCC1701's picture

GPS coordinates are...

Just sayin'

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:39 | 3630014 krispkritter
krispkritter's picture

The whole country is turning into room 641a...

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:55 | 3630099 NotApplicable
NotApplicable's picture

You mean "world."

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:00 | 3630117 RafterManFMJ
RafterManFMJ's picture

On deck, Room 101.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:41 | 3630024 docmac324
docmac324's picture

You pay them to track you, think about it.


4 out of 3 people have trouble with fractions....

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:49 | 3630052 denverdolomte
denverdolomte's picture

Hahahah, nice. 

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:53 | 3630083 autofixer
autofixer's picture

I resemble that remark!  LMFAO!

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:43 | 3630029 syntaxterror
syntaxterror's picture

China and the USA should just fucking merge and get it over with.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:01 | 3630123 RafterManFMJ
RafterManFMJ's picture

China and the USA should just fucking merge and get it over with.


Take my love, take my land
Take me where I cannot stand
I don't care, I'm still free
You can't take the sky from me...

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:17 | 3630226 Buckaroo Banzai
Buckaroo Banzai's picture

It was a crime that show was canceled.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 15:48 | 3631129 WillyGroper
WillyGroper's picture

Oh, does China use hollow points for their organ harvesting?

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:48 | 3630042 ThisIsBob
ThisIsBob's picture

They are doing this just because they can.  It is way TMI.

The Taliban learned early and fast not to use phones.

No terrorist worth his salt uses a fucking phone.

(Except as a detonation device.)

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:46 | 3630045 samsara
samsara's picture

Remember Mark Klein whistleblower ....  Boy that changed alot.

AT&T whistleblower: I was forced to connect 'big brother machine'


Mark Klein on AT&T/NSA Domestic Surveillance Program: “The NSA is Getting Everything.”


Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:50 | 3630414 sgorem
sgorem's picture

RIP mark klein. was found dangling with his safety harness around his neck on a cell tower in the mojave. "no job is so important that we cannot take time to do it safely".......

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 13:31 | 3630590 Oldrepublic
Oldrepublic's picture

mark klein is still living

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 15:50 | 3631139 WillyGroper
WillyGroper's picture

That's funny!

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:49 | 3630048 Dr. Engali
Dr. Engali's picture

It reminds me of the doorway in The Matrix Reloaded that leads to the architect.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:49 | 3630054 Frank N. Beans
Frank N. Beans's picture

I think this is a wormhole to the New York Fed tungsten vault. 

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:22 | 3630248 Kirk2NCC1701
Kirk2NCC1701's picture

Sorry for the digression, but with 'Architect of Omaha' having cornered the Tungsten market, it's a breeze for the Fed to show a valut full of gold bullion.  Just sayin'.  Like they'd ever allow a genuine QA inspection. /s

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:53 | 3630076 Umh
Umh's picture

In the future you will be free. You will be free to decorate your issued personal tracking and recording device anyway you desire except to make or appear to make any statement.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:58 | 3630112 johnQpublic
johnQpublic's picture

we need to talk about your flair (on that tracking device)

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:53 | 3630077 buzzsaw99
buzzsaw99's picture

people pay to be spied on, then they buy the stock too. funny shit there.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:54 | 3630090 pods
pods's picture

Just remember folks, this all goes away when they cannot run indefinite deficits and have to pay as you go for government.

End of FIAT=End of all of this.


Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:56 | 3630106 sosoome
sosoome's picture

I wonder how Amerikans would react if the headlines were, "US Postal Service Opens and Tracks All First Class Mail".

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 16:24 | 3630905 Kirk2NCC1701
Kirk2NCC1701's picture

In a way, they already do:  Machines can select which letters get redirected for additional 'processing'.  They are illuminated with a VERY bright light on one side, and viewed (with machine vision) from the opposite side.  OCR is used to read the contents.  Write & package accordingly.

Personal anecdote...

I remember sending an express letter via USPS to a relative north of the border a few ago.  Wouldn't ya know it... the damn thing was detained and opened on this side of the fence, before it even left the country.  When I first read (from the MSM) about the military use of drones in Iraq, "alarm bells went off" for me:  I realized instantly where this was headed for other countries in the region and for us in the US.  5 years later... sure enough, I was right.  I wrote my analysis & conclusion and mailed it as part of a personal letter.  Nothing further came of it -- or could have from the legal perspective -- but I've ever since my residual* doubts about living in a East German-like STASI (STAats SIcherheit) state have been removed.

* In the late 90s I used my CC and a public phone to call someone (future boss) in Switzerland.  I was on vacation in Hawaii at the time.  When I used the card the next morning at a convenience store, I was given some very polite tap-dance about waiting in the manager's office for a few minutes, to have the approval go through.  15 minutes later, all was fine, apologies given.  All this well-mannered fuss over a mere $18?  WTF?  Two more related 'episodes' in a cafe and restaurant on Maui (a few days later) made me realize that I was being tailed and checked out by LEAs.  Why, I had no clue.  Then, one year later I learned that the executive I called in Switzerland was related to a high-level EU politician who had made waves (money & arms) that ended very badly for him.  I then realized that our LEAs those in the EU were simply doing due diligence on the person I called, and that I had innocently became part of that ongoing 'due diligence' (surveillance) on that person of interest.  That's why, when a certain event happened in NYC a few years later, and no fighter planes intercepted the flights and W was conveniently at a FL school (of all places), I was unconvinced that something this big could not happen w/o our LEA/gov elite knowing about it.  My Hawaii+Maui episodes taught me that this is simply not possible.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 11:57 | 3630108 Little John
Little John's picture

 In  a way,  a very small way,  I feel sorry for the governing class.  We know their names, we know what they have done.   One result of ending the rule of law is they have en-prisoned themselves in a gilded security cage  which they will never be able to leave. Those who they have  lied to and stolen from will never forget.  These elite thugs will need body guards for the rest of their lives.   








Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:08 | 3630171 Go Tribe
Go Tribe's picture

Love it! The 6 R's of redemption.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:05 | 3630138 Winston Smith 2009
Winston Smith 2009's picture

I wonder what percentage of the NSA's or the FBI's monitoring was or is dedicated to the detection TBTF bank and other financial system criminality.

My guess would be ZERO.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:04 | 3630139 A Lunatic
A Lunatic's picture

Such is the way of all Ponzi based Empires. Sadly this time is not different.............

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:05 | 3630152 johnQpublic
johnQpublic's picture

send links by email to comment pages where your message to the other person will be


reciever of the link, goes to the comment section of the page, reads the comment of the person he is looking for to get the message

system defeated since no possible way to know which screen name is the target comment



so phil, what do you think?

good idea or what

screen name to the next link is just DAVE

follow all ten to get the whole thing and hit me back thru that other link to let me know what you think

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:06 | 3630157 Vooter
Vooter's picture

Our situation is really not that complicated: These people are the ENEMY. Treat them accordingly...

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:07 | 3630167 IridiumRebel
IridiumRebel's picture

What a country!

"In America you can always find a party, in Russia, party always find you."

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:08 | 3630174 Praetorian Guard
Praetorian Guard's picture

...and in the mean time this shit is going on:


Roughly 80% of the Senate’s $955 billion farm bill, which is expected to pass this week, will go to bankroll food stamps over the next ten years.

“The trillion-dollar farm and food stamp bill should not be called the ‘Farm Bill,’” said Heritage Action for America CEO Michael A. Needham in an email. “Washington doesn't want Americans to know that 80 percent of the spending in the bill goes to fund Obama's big-government, food stamp agenda.

The other 20% provides farmers with price supports and revenue guarantees. Needham says that is “equally disturbing.”

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 13:03 | 3630470 ThisIsBob
ThisIsBob's picture

,... and a tax on some kind of tree, I see...

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 18:04 | 3631542 DosZap
DosZap's picture

The other 20% provides farmers with price supports and revenue guarantees. Needham says that is “equally disturbing.”

This IS and always has been a bribe for NOT planting.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:09 | 3630180 Oldrepublic
Oldrepublic's picture

whistleblowers Thomas Drake and William Binney former employees of the NSA who risked decades in prison are true champions of freedom

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 12:14 | 3630209 Kirk2NCC1701
Kirk2NCC1701's picture

But we all know what goes on in Room 2469.


Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!