The United Bases Of America And The Paradox Of Imperialism

Tyler Durden's picture

The United States is estimated to have anything from 700 military bases around the world to more than 1000. Hans-Hermann Hoppe asks "how can democracy be a stable equilibrium if it is possible that it be transformed democratically into a dictatorship, i.e., a system which is considered not stable?" Concluding it may be better to heed the advice of Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn and, instead of aiming to make the world safe for democracy, we try making it safe from democracy - everywhere, but most importantly in the United States.

 

 

Excerpted from Hans-Hermann Hoppe via the Ludwig von Mises Institute,

The Paradox Of Imperialism

"Democracy has nothing to do with freedom. Democracy is a soft variant of communism, and rarely in the history of ideas has it been taken for anything else."

 

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On theoretical grounds: How can democracy be a stable equilibrium if it is possible that it be transformed democratically into a dictatorship, i.e., a system which is considered not stable? Answer: that makes no sense!

Moreover, empirically democracies are anything but stable. As indicated, in multi-cultural societies democracy regularly leads to the discrimination, oppression, or even expulsion and extermination of minorities — hardly a peaceful equilibrium. And in ethnically homogeneous societies, democracy regularly leads to class warfare, which leads to economic crisis, which leads to dictatorship. Think, for example, of post-Czarist Russia, post-World War I Italy, Weimar Germany, Spain, Portugal, and in more recent times Greece, Turkey, Guatemala, Argentina, Chile, and Pakistan.

Not only is this close correlation between democracy and dictatorship troublesome for democratic-peace theorists; worse, they must come to grips with the fact that the dictatorships emerging from crises of democracy are by no means always worse, from a classical liberal or libertarian view, than what would have resulted otherwise. Cases can be easily cited where dictatorships were preferable and an improvement. Think of Italy and Mussolini or Spain and Franco. In addition, how is one to square the starry-eyed advocacy of democracy with the fact that dictators, quite unlike kings who owe their rank to an accident of birth, are often favorites of the masses and in this sense highly democratic? Just think of Lenin or Stalin, who were certainly more democratic than Czar Nicholas II; or think of Hitler, who was definitely more democratic and a "man of the people" than Kaiser Wilhelm II or Kaiser Franz Joseph.

According to democratic-peace theorists, then, it would seem that we are supposed to war against foreign dictators, whether kings or demagogues, in order to install democracies, which then turn into (modern) dictatorships, until finally, one supposes, the United States itself has turned into a dictatorship, owing to the growth of internal state power which results from the endless "emergencies" engendered by foreign wars.

Better, I dare say, to heed the advice of Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn and, instead of aiming to make the world safe for democracy, we try making it safe from democracy — everywhere, but most importantly in the United States.

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bugs_'s picture

for great justice

markmotive's picture

Irony is that without the Empire we probably wouldn't be making comments on this website.

Must Watch! Documentary about the Plunder, Hypocrisy and Violence of Empire: The Power Principle

http://www.planbeconomics.com/2013/05/documentary-about-plunder-hypocris...

fourchan's picture

good thing we live in a constitutionally limited republic, and definitely not a democracy/mob rule.

 

without individual rights, no rights exist.

rubiconsolutions's picture

Yeah, I agree. It's limited to unlimited wiretapping, unlimited wars and unlimited debt. Otherwise it's pretty limited. </sarcasm>

tickhound's picture

 

 

I pledge allegiance to the MIC, and the United Bases of a'Murica.

As for the public, I will demand

Democratization

Under the gun

Indisputable

For Security and Compliance, or Else.

 

 

Hi Big Bro!  FU

Manthong's picture

It is not a paradox..

It is an analytically complete and empirical example of hypocrisy.


dolly madison's picture

good thing we live in a constitutionally limited republic, and definitely not a democracy/mob rule.

without individual rights, no rights exist.

The way things are now are the natural result of mixing Capitalism & Representative Democracy together for a few hundred years.  It ends up here with super powerful banks and corporations controlling the biggest military in the world.  There were good intentions at the start, but when the few rule the many, the few can be bribed and threatened.  If we reset this thing again to the beginning, I think it would just get here again, perhaps even faster the next time.

A constitutionally limited participatory democracy wouldn't lead us here because you can't bribe and threaten everyone.  It may lead us to other mistakes, but it wouldn't lead us to the banks and corporations controlling he world.

TheReplacement's picture

Disagree.  What we have here is not necessarily the natural result of capitalism (I mean free market capitalism) and representative democracy.  That may be so in lesser countries but in the USA the problem is that the people rolled over and let the elected ones centralize power.  We gave it up even though we had the means (voting and shooting) to stop them.

All you do with what you said above is pass the blame.  Take responsibility.  We are all at fault for not doing more to stop this charade.

It is time for take number two.  All the people who believe in centralizing power need to go away.  Individualism needs to be ruggedly pursued.  Cooperation must be voluntary or not at all.

Don't invest in gold.  Invest in cheap metals like lead and brass.  Rope manufacturers should also do very well in the times ahead.

 

Cloud9.5's picture

Our democratic republic was suspended on 9/11.

SmackDaddy's picture

Oh Jesus H Christ.  Fucking southern retards...

TheReplacement's picture

good thing we used to live in a constitutionally limited republic

There, I fixed it for you.

PS - FBI and NSA, go to hell.

DormRoom's picture

Uhm.  Those bases protect the interests of multi-national corporations.  Most embassies are a conduit for trade, and to expand interests of American business owners in the region.

Imperialism is the projection of American power for corporate influence, not national security.   It's been going on from the Spanish American War to United Fruit Company to Iraqi Oil. Though some would argue that a docile employed population protects against domestic strife.

 

America is entering its police-surveillance state stage as previous failing Empires before it. It's losing control of its peripheral territories so its redirecting control over its core.

prains's picture

what is needed now are the barbarians

Dingleberry's picture

There are 3 forms of power: military, political and economic.

You can have military power but no economic like the old Soviet Union

You can have economic power but no military like old Japan.

But if you have military and economic power.....you have real, behind the scenes political power. Not the fake kind like you see 99% of the time.

No military=no true power.

That's why it's so gargantuan. I'm not saying I agree with it, I don't as I do not like interventionalism.

But the fact remains: play ball the way the US wants or suffer the consequences. Unless you have nukes.

Anusocracy's picture

The US's three-legged power stool is balancing on a pole named reserve currency/petrol dollar. Its position is neither earned nor deserved.

Ain't gonna stay standing much longer.

Dingleberry's picture

What country do you suggest will take its place?

prains's picture

countries in the plural will take its place

Steve in Greensboro's picture

Which countries? And how many Divisons do they have?

prains's picture

That you still think in "Divisions" should be answer enough for you

FreedomGuy's picture

I do not believe the U.S. is interested in an old world empire, like Rome or Napoleonic France, otherwise, physical armies would be marching everywhere and after WWII we would have conquered everyone left...and we could have.

What I think is that the U.S. wants to manage the whole world which requires sticking our nose into everyone's business in various ways. We want to hold economic and military supremacy which gives us the influence and standing. The problem is that we end up supporting bad guys against worse guys, a.k.a. Vietnam and eary Sadam Hussein. We make enemies and bribed friends everywhere and eventually we have to engage in shooting. We also engage in economic bailouts and sometimes unfavorable trade deals at the public's expense.

I believe that many Americans, including myself do not desire this. I want to tell S. Korea and Europe and Japan to all defend themselves. I want mirrored trade policies based on reciprocal openness. I want to quit supporting bad dictators agains worse dictators or unknowns. Let the chips fall where they may without our help and money.

In the end I believe we will have more respect and more influence even from our enemies. Most of all we will have self respect and be closer to a balanced budget.

Unpopular Truth's picture

FreedomGuy - I see your point about physical armies not marching everywhere. But I am seeing drones starting to fly everywhere...

FreedomGuy's picture

You make a good point, add in redlight cameras, speed cameras, permission to do anything, etc. I am arguing historically. I do not doubt for a second we could go autocratic and that is in fact the trend. Look at the IRS, the spying on AP, etc. I do not need dark conspiracies. Those are front page items.

Just remember as we go full statist how it was sold as "good for us" all along the way...each incremental step.

JOYFUL's picture

... the U.S. wants to manage the whole world which requires sticking our nose into everyone's business in various ways. We want to hold economic and military supremacy which gives us the influence and standing... I have to take issue with that.

Far too few Merikans understand the difference between what they... and the dual-citiiZend usurpers of their 'government' want. Because of the failure to recognize this key distinction, Merikans willingly take on responsibility for crimes committed in their names, executed by the agents of a foreign power, designed to benefit that power at the expense of the core interests of the Merikan peeple.

Why the conflation of these two very different interests does not receive attention is as interesting a question as why Merikans accept their role as proxy gladiators and debt slave for\to a tiny clique of bandits who have adroitly gathered to themselves the organs of state and media...placing themselves in a position to control both information and debate. But those two questions are ultimately one and the same!

It's a form of magic trick; everyones aware of who is pulling the strings... but afraid to talk about...let alone talk back to... the majicians whose sleight of hand tricks are so obvious to the informed eye as to seem risible/Only a long overdue discussion of the pervasiveness of sio-nazi imposed mindcontrol technologies can give insight into the strange detachment of the denizens of the western fallen lands from controlling their own fates.

There is no "American Empire" ... there is a global dominance of Merikan cultural norms which has been accepted by, rather than imposed upon, populations all over world who have chosen to emulate the consumerist lifestyles offered them...at the expense of values endemic to their own cultural continuum.

The only the true hegemonist "Imperial" power in the world is the Talmudist continuum... it has used it's slippery facility with words....democracy...revolution... equality... etc., to invert the values by which societies maintain equilibrium, and create an atmosphere of 'permanent revolution' beloved to the trotskyite bolshevik talmudist and the trotskyite neoCon talmudist alike... a state of perpetual war, turmoil, and social decline.

That is the current state of Merika...bowed down under the imposition of  talmudic law * which bureacratizes every aspect of their lives... and those same usurpers of the Merikan peeples peace n plenty are seeking to impose it now as a global standard of perpetual rack n ruin...global slavery to the racial hegemonist vision of a tiny clique of millenialist madmen.

The author of this piece has brought up some interesting notions about the weakness of democracy as a social theory...but do to their stubborn insistence on treating the subject through the unifocal lense of their Austrian hobby-horse... have failed to get to grips with the real dynamic... and the real players behind the false gods of "Democracy" "Equality" and the rest of the false-front stand-ins for Mammon and Baal!

*the biggest Goebbelian-style lie ever is perpetrated by those enablers of the moneypower who attempt to wave impostion of 'sharia law' in front of their dupe goy audience as a fearful future folly... the imposition of talmudic law is in fact a fait accompli of the the entire western world... and has replaced English common law in all critical applications... but we cannot discuss this fact!

edit: first downtick within 1 minute of posting! New record...luv it! Big shoutout to the guys in the drone-jock duty room... say hello to the boyz at the coffee machine\water cooler when you take your ADL mug out for a refill! lol...

FreedomGuy's picture

You are a little heavy on the conspiracy side for me, but I will cede you bring up some good points. Long ago as a young man I contemplated the question that as a democratic republic if we could vote ourselves into socialism or some autocratic form of government.

My view is that not only that we can but we are doing it...without a single Constitutional amendment. We just let the Supremes reimagine the Constitution as they wish and the executive-bureaucratic gets its way.

JOYFUL's picture

I a'int heavy... I'm yur brother\in arms... in tryin to bring this around before the gift of freedom and independence- from the slavers who have ruled such much of human history -///that our forebears left us with as their ultimate legacy...

is wrested from us due to inattention... and failure to understand what is the real consequence when a peeple fails to pass from one generation to the next the only real inheritance of value....we are that peeple... will we betray all those whom came before us... and would come after us as free peeple too... but for our own weakness and arrogance?

all I ask is that you read this — US Congress, HR 104 Public Law 102-14*

Whereas Congress recognizes the historical tradition of ethical values and principles which are the basis of civilized society and upon which our great Nation was founded;
 
Whereas these ethical values and principles have been the bedrock of society from the dawn of civilization, when they were known as the Seven Noahide Laws;
 

 
Whereas the Lubavitch movement has fostered and promoted these ethical values and principles throughout the world;
 
Whereas Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, leader of the Lubavitch movement, is universally respected and revered and his eighty-ninth birthday falls on March 26, 1991;
 
Whereas in tribute to this great spiritual leader, `the rebbe', this, his ninetieth year will be seen as one of `education and giving', the year in which we turn to education and charity to return the world to the moral and ethical values contained in the Seven Noahide Laws; and
 
Whereas this will be reflected in an international scroll of honor signed by the President of the United States and other heads of state: Now, therefore, be it
 
Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That March 26, 1991, the start of the ninetieth year of Rabbi Menachem Schneerson, leader of the worldwide Lubavitch movement, is designated as `Education Day, U.S.A.'. The President is requested to issue a proclamation calling upon the people of the United States to observe such day with appropriate ceremonies and activities....

and if you think that we should be impeded from discussing the implications of such a direct betrayal of our heritage as free Europoid peeples...freely aligned with a black\brown\red\yellow coalition of the willin... gainst the 'usual suspects' so beloved of killin...by the lapdog political prostitutes who have infected your body politic... then I will rest my case.

*Despite this Congressional declaration, many Americans are still not aware that their country was founded on Talmudic laws.  It is still widely believed that America was founded on the principles contained in the Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights, the Constitution, and Anglo-Saxon law generally.

Only two choices remain... endless war...on behalf of an alien power...or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCkap5iS5Qs

which tune will you dance to bro? ////got the screenshot dudes!

Sean7k's picture

Try reading "The Controversy of Zion" by Douglass Reed. There is nothing extraordinary in Joyful's comment, beyond the general ignorance of the problem. Of course it's a conspiracy- that is the definition of many people acting together towards a single purpose. The fact you use the term as you do denotes a naivate concerning geo-political events.

 

FreedomGuy's picture

There are two types of conspiracies in my mind. The first is a conspiracy of interests. These are relatively universal and generally visible like farmers lobbying for more subsidies, national industries lobbying for higher tariffs at home and lower tariffs abroad, bankers lobbying for bailouts, etc. It also includes central bank coordination and the desire of Islam to conquer the world. The other type which I was referrring to are the dark, mulitnational, hidden power, puppet master, manchurian candidate, zionist, bildeberger, alien race, masonic, tri-lateralist, etc. hidden organizations that no one but conspiracy theorists know about. I am much more skeptical of these. Part of the reason is that the conspiracists often inadvertantly reason themselves into corners. I do not wish to talk about these at length. That is for other places.

I tend to believe most of the problems in the world are reasonable visible, can be reasoned out and if dealt with properly will also thwart most if not all of the possible conspiracies. As simplistic as it seems I firmly believe in the general libertarian answer which is to severely limit power and the rule of governments. That alone neuters most conspiracies.

Sean7k's picture

Then, first you must explain how this system is established. Second, you have created separation in conspiracies, where none exists. This is what I meant about naivete. If the source of the problems you think exists is not visible to almost everyone, who will you reason it out with? Third, there is no general libertarian answer, there is no agreed upon libertarian philosophy. If you cannot define your answer in terms that are understandable by many, how do you think your reason will be persuasive?

Read the book I recommended. It is a start.

FreedomGuy's picture

Well, you have to decide what system you wish to analyze. In free societies they arise separately and spontaneously through voluntary actions. Government systems develop along mission and lines of power. They all go to the same endpoint...power for the sake of power, not anyone's good as the idiots on the Left suppose.

What I categorically reject is the sloppy use of conspiracies as an answer to everything by people not particularly well informed. NOTHING is as it appears. Once you start with that then you can break into any of a dozen conspiracy answers as to the truth of anything. Frankly, they are maddening, elusive, slippery and not terribly useful. What solutions do conspiracy theorists offer? If they have solutions I would posit they align reasonably well with libertarian philosophy. Generally, they want to hang someone like bankers and take away power and establish some sort of openness.

There is a libertarian answer. I do not know what you have been reading but it is not too hard to distill. While getting libertarians to do anything in unison is like herding cats, every one I ever met universally rejects the ideas of the "goodness" of governments as well as it's claims to power over our lives. The libertarian answer is we own ourselves, government should be minimilazed to the point of nonexistance, if possilble and severely limited where it is necessary. The primary rule in life is to live as you wish but do no harm. All relationships between each other are voluntary. Sound money. Competing money. Go to any area of trade, science, industry, monetary policy, and there is a libertarian answer. The debate tends to just be degree.

I like to read, trying to finish Bastiat right now. He appears to be a genius well ahead of his time. Anyway, i like learning new things but I despise "secret" knowledge crap. That is the stuff of cults and basement blogs.

prains's picture

FreedomGuy

you're mistaking a want for a need. You need oil plain and simple that's IT. Without the oil the M1 Abrams are parked because they don't run on piss (JP8 jet fuel). Why do you think the krauts lost wwII (other than stalingrad), their tanks ran out of fuel. you're empire is a passive global military dictatorship than runs on fuel, without it, you're.........south canada

FreedomGuy's picture

Well, Prains, I will not argue the importance of oil or other resources. But, if you are right then when the USA becomes a net exporter of oil it would imply we will stop screwing with the rest of the world. My instincts tell me we will not. So, it has to be more than oil.

prains's picture

net exporter ?? maybe on paper......that's all the american economy has been able to conjure up for the last 40 years, paper profits based on paper ideas, nothing tangible. so to now all of a sudden believe that the shale play will turn the US into a net exporter is a huuuuuge stretch but for arguments sake and I'm wrong which my wife says is more often than not, then even if there is a real net export effect (highly questionable) what's the time frame on that expectation 1,5,10 years.

 

as an aside I think the real reason for the hard on to have Keystone XL go through is so the boys in Texas can mess with the data and voila alberta bitumen when refined will <on paper> become american crude and help drastically with the net exporter meme.

0z's picture

No Power can March over the whole world;

The State(s) IS trying to do just that and

HAS BEEN TRYING to do just that ever since it developped into an Imperialist State.

But it can't. Besides, the People of Mogadishu did kick their asses out!

I guess they could nuke the whole world and reign over a Nuclear Winter,

But even retarded Dictators know better than THAT!

TheFourthStooge-ing's picture

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You can have military power but no economic like the old Soviet Union

...or overextended military power and a dying economy like the current USSA.

FreedomGuy's picture

Or overextending ourselves domestically in providing everything to everyone for "free", as well as helping the rest of the world. I think our social programs will kill us economically first.

Incubus's picture

Let's help the rest of the world, but don't help ourselves. been working brilliantly for the past few decades, right?

 

Cut more education and promote sink or swim. Don't be surprised when the sinkers start fucking you up your ass because you thought you could just isolate yourself from them and they'd just sink away, though.

phalfa5's picture

Dingus Berrious is right - drone him

Anusocracy's picture

Fixing Churchill's quote:

Democracy is the worst form of government just like all those others forms that have been tried from time to time.

freewolf7's picture

"aiming to make the world safe for democracy"

Who still buys this?

otto skorzeny's picture

Every person that enlists in the US armed forces.

CvlDobd's picture

I have a retarded brother who just signed up for the Army.

 

Dumbass.

prains's picture

sorry to hear that, another lost soul to the oligarchs control

Umh's picture

When you need a job you will work for an organization that you would never have anything to do with otherwise. If you had specified the officer corps you would have been closer to speaking the truth.

wisefool's picture

We gonna have to launch every zig. And pay for our hamburgers on tuesday.

Incubus's picture

fuck. somebody set up us the bomb.

Cult of PersonALity's picture

@ Incubus

It was The Bernak  ...  monetary bomb  - kills all hope, lots of change and leaves the population ready for servitude