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Japanese Birth Rate Plunges To Record Low As Death-Rate Hits Record High

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There are many headwinds to deflation-monster-fighting Abe's plans to bring Japan back from the ledge but perhaps the biggest one is the demographic disaster. As Japan News reports, the decline in Japan's population set another record in 2012 with the number of deaths exceeding births for the sixth year in a row. Records were broken everywhere. The number of babies born in the nation in 2012 fell by 13,705 from the previous year to hit a new low of 1,037,101 and while a total fertility rate of 2.0 children per woman will maintain the population at a stable level. Japan’s rate has continued to fall since dropping below 2.0 in 1975. Meanwhile, the number of deaths in 2012 hit a record high of 1,256,254, increasing by 3,188 from the previous year. The greying of Japan continues and worse still, the young, for many reasons, are not having children as the number of women in their 20s who had a child in 2012 decreased by 16,200. Will the fourth arrow of Abenomics be a state-sponsored unprotected sex-a-thon?





A total fertility rate of 2.0 children per woman will maintain the population at a stable level.


Japan’s rate has continued to fall since dropping below 2.0 in 1975. It slumped to an all-time low of 1.26 in 2005.


Despite the increase in the fertility rate, however, the survey showed that the graying of the nation and the fall in population continues.




The number of women in their 20s who had a child in 2012 decreased by 16,200 from the previous year, while the number of births among women aged from 35 to 39 and from 40 to 44 increased by a combined total of about 8,700.


Source: The Japan News


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Fri, 06/07/2013 - 17:23 | 3635348 TeamDepends
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Fukushima.  Read those first four letters again.

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 17:32 | 3635368 NotApplicable
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Fri, 06/07/2013 - 17:32 | 3635372 francis_sawyer
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Last of the Samurai

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 17:38 | 3635392 patb
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It will take a few years, but, the fertility rate will likely drop by 30% on Honshu.


The effects will be seen first up in Tohuko,  then slowly spread out.


I wonder if the Japanese have a break out of these numbers by prefecture,  while it's 1% decrease in births, YOY,

i suspect it's far worse in Tohuko.

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 17:41 | 3635396 SWRichmond
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state-sponsored unprotected sex-a-thon

You mean the American welfare state?

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 17:43 | 3635406 James_Cole
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People have been rallying about this forever and it has yet to become the disaster it's supposed to.

In any case declining population is not a bad thing imo, only bad if you think exponential growth is possible / sustainable / good. 

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 18:04 | 3635463 YC2
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The fact that this is seen as a bad thing and not higher standards of livig and less people benefiting from te current capital base leads one to the conclusion that the modern economy is a Ponzi scheme in that it fundamentally needs more people to continue.

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 18:32 | 3635536 RockyRacoon
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Just like the economy needs more debt to "grow".   What a farce.

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 18:46 | 3635576 Joe Sixpack
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Radiation kills the elderly and sterilizes all.

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 21:08 | 3635984 Harlequin001
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Dodo, yeah...

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 00:38 | 3636504 jeff montanye
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dodo, yeah... it would cheer the news.  golden toad and zanzibar leopard too, if they could.

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 21:20 | 3636017 mickeyman
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It does, if only to pay pensions for the retired.

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 17:54 | 3635436 SpiceMustFlow
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Fri, 06/07/2013 - 17:59 | 3635448 forwardho
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I laughed and laughed till I cried and cried.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 07:19 | 3636734 mrjohn
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For the hard of thinking who abound on this site

Pre war Japan had a population of around 55 million. It had a high infant mortality rate and low life expectancy, traditionally in Japan people expected to live to be 50 at best. Because of the high rate of death among children people tended to have large families.

Post war the infant mortailty rate went down to one of the lowest in the world, life expectancy went up to one of the highest. The post war baby boom and subsequent generational boom caused two sharp increases in the population, compounded by the much higher survival rate into adulthood and the lag in adjusting to this new norm.

This caused a population explosion, which cannot be maintained, Japan can only produce about 40% of the food it needs to feed its current population.

From the 1960s Japan saw steady economic growth, and movement to the cities which caused for various reasons a decline in the birth rate, 60 years ago families of 7 were not unusual, now they are extremely rare.

What we have is an adjustement to a more realistic level for the country. In 50 years time this country will be a much better place to live.

The real retirement age for men in Japan is 69, and because they are generally very healthy, they have no trouble continuing to contribute to society past this age.

It has nothing to do with Fukushima, please stop insulting your own intelligence.

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 17:27 | 3635349 Cult_of_Reason
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"The commanding officers disciplined the soldiers as they saw fitting."

"disciplined" = spanking ?!

BTW, make sure to watch the video.

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 17:31 | 3635367 NotApplicable
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Wrong thread?

Well, you've certainly got the right avatar for such a story (I've been told she can even sing).

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 17:35 | 3635384 Cult_of_Reason
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Israel Fertility Rate = 3.00 births per woman (2011)

Japan Fertility Rate = 1.39 births per woman (2011)

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 17:45 | 3635410 Kirk2NCC1701
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Kosovo Albanian (Muslim) birth rates = 12 births per woman (1948-1998)

Kosovo Serb (Christian) birth rates = 2.5 births per woman (1948-1998)


It's referrred to as "The Revenge Of The Cradle". 

Still ongoing in many/most Muslim countries too, not just at 3.0 in Israel (comparable to US birth rate)

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 17:54 | 3635421 Cult_of_Reason
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Iran Fertility Rate = 1.64 births per woman (2011)

Germany Fertility Rate = 1.36 births per woman (2011) -- it is lower than Japan

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 18:01 | 3635452 francis_sawyer
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"Just when you thought it was finished that's when the REAL fucking begins"

~Conrad Van Orton


Fri, 06/07/2013 - 19:24 | 3635656 malek
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Yep. Next compare the immigration rates.

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 18:07 | 3635469 They trynna cat...
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It's uncanny how the worse the breed of human, the more they reproduce.  Of course Albanians have tons of kids while the Japanese are going extinct.

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 18:24 | 3635386 francis_sawyer
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Star [of David] Ship Troopers...


Actually ~ I call bullshit on this... What military in their right mind would have barracks, bunks, that messy?... The pictures look like they come from a college dorm room after a panty raid keg party...

This is fucking propaganda to make 'Israel at War' looking sexy... Fuck that!

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 18:17 | 3635494 Cult_of_Reason
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Re: my avatar @ NotApplicable

Will it make you happy if I change my avatar to this politically correct one?

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 19:46 | 3635713 Terminus C
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That would be unreasonable.

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 17:32 | 3635371 worbsid
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Japan needs to do like the US does.  Import some Muslims and Mexicans.

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 17:56 | 3635441 SpiceMustFlow
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If they didn't completely despise everyone on the planet then they might be able to pull that off. Fucked the Japs are...

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 19:16 | 3635632 yogibear
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Japan should start offering more freebies. They'll  gets loads more immigrants, It works in the US, France and the UK. Allow anchor babies, like in the US. 

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 21:14 | 3635998 rbg81
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 Import some Muslims and Mexicans.

Yeah, sure.  Who cares if they're actually a burden to the taxpayer?  Who cares if they're unproductive?  They buy stuff, so the corporations luv 'em.  The fact they buy stuff with Government $$ is irrelevant--in the end, it's just a big, fat corporate subsidy.  And if they torch a few cars while they're at it, all the better for GM and Ford.

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 17:33 | 3635373 Totentänzerlied
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It's almost as if they know the cheap energy is going to run out soon...


Fri, 06/07/2013 - 17:55 | 3635437 forwardho
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A nation commits Hari-Kari?

The Japanese are a very realistic people.

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 17:33 | 3635375 debtor of last ...
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Monsanto's pills will give you many children mrs. Watanabe. Just convert the rest of your pension into jgb's.

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 17:36 | 3635385 Kirk2NCC1701
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Japan?  Not Bangladesh, India, Africa, etc.?  Is this Agenda-21 bass ackwards?

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 17:37 | 3635388 DeliciousSteak
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The Japanese are long term planners. Who cares if their current way of life collapses. A few centuries down the line they'll be booming again. For now, as a Japanese world championship masturbator explained, they prefer to masturbate to cartoon pornography.

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 17:37 | 3635390 TrustWho
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One can not blame the feminist in Japan for the decline in unprotected sex and maybe sex. Who killed the Samirai spirit of manly sex to spread your seeds and genetic dominance?

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 17:42 | 3635402 Duke Dog
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Ongoing radiation poisoning causing both death and sterility is going to be a strong headwind in reversing the trend:)

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 17:44 | 3635409 q99x2
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BitCoin Jesus will save them.

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 17:44 | 3635411 They trynna cat...
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Japan's population is currently double--DOUBLE--what it us immediately before WWII, when they were one of the top three military powers in the world and had a navy that dominated the entire Pacific for years, not to mention sent all their men throughout China and the Pacific Isles.  I think they'll survive some decrease in their population.

Of course, the above statement goes directly counter to common 'wisdom,' which asserts that Japan must open the immigration flood gates and let in hordes of Pakistanis, Nigerians, and Bangladeshis in order to 'maintain' Japan's high quality of life.  Because, of course, that strategy has worked so well for Europe.

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 17:52 | 3635430 DeliciousSteak
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Opening immigration floodgates seems to be a good strategy. US had a population of 132 million in 1940, it has since ballooned to over 300 million. As we know the US is the only superpower on the planet with the largest economy and it can fight wars against multiple nations at once while suffering only tiny casualties.

The problems in Europe, when it comes to immigration, are highly exaggerated. It has what, 30-50 million muslims total? Then we get a few hundred rioting muslims in Sweden and everybody shits their pants. The "great immigration" has only been going on for a few decades, there are always growing pains associated with quick changes, but in the end it will have a positive impact both socially and economically.

The Japanese have chosen their way though, there's no turning back now, it is good to have diversity even in these things.

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 17:58 | 3635446 Kinskian
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Time for your prayers Abdulla.

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 18:05 | 3635454 They trynna cat...
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Quality of citizenry in the United States since the 1965 Immigration Act has fallen through the floor.  How anyone could walk around any major city in the US and think that that sort of population "growth" is beneficial, is beyond me.  Not to mention, all those wars you speak of have been fought by White American Men.  Take a look at the makeup of the frontline combat units of the US military even to this day.  95%+ White.

The immigration problems in Europe are not highly exaggerated.  The third worlders have turned once-gorgeous European cities into replicas of the filthy mudholes they came from, all the while crashing Europe's social welfare system.  Importing third world immigrants has not and will never produce any "positive impact" on any European country, or Japan.

The Japanese have chosen their way immigration-wise, and it was a wise choice.  Japanese cities are clean, crime free, and full of honest and productive people adding value to the economy. 


All in all I'm afraid I have to vote your comment "one of the worst ever posted on ZH."

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 18:24 | 3635499 DeliciousSteak
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Typical racist scum. I'm sure all those poor white meth heads are glorious representatives of the "white race". There are poor people in all ethnicities, recent immigrants are more likely to be poor. If being a poor immigrant or born to poor immigrant parents somehow makes a person scum in your mind, you have serious issues.

I'm actually very interested in the racial development of the US armed forces, if you have statistics I'd love to take a look.

Yes, they are exaggerated. Your post is a perfect example of the hyperbole that gets thrown around on the internet by people who have probably never even visited one of these cities they so fondly talk about. If you have to blame someone for "destroying" the welfare systems of Europe, you have to blame the voters. No one forced them to vote the way they did. Yes, the superior "whites" were apparently dumb enough to create systems which end up bankrupting them. Maybe they will get some sense into them when people from harsh environments move in and break their bubble of "free shit for all".

When it comes to the Japanese, I'm sure it's the right choice for them, regardless of the end result. Asians on average seem to be very interested in racial purity.

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 18:35 | 3635543 adr
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Lots of poor Italians, Irish, Polish, Germans, etc came to America, lived in slums, worked hard, and ended up living better lives and set the stage for their children and grandchildren to live fantastic lives.

Almost all of them did it on their own without government help, welfare, or turning to drugs and crime.

I watched a great suburb of Columbus Ohio turn into a warzone after thousands of Somalians came to the area and brought their war with them. All of them are on welfare and all of them aren't worth the ground they stand on.

Since the late 60s the quality of immigrants has gone downhill, with most coming to America looking for handouts, welfare, and the other freebies. Most don't work and start having as many babies as soon as possible to get greater payouts from social programs.

You can blame nearly every social problem in America on the Great Society programs that caused the lowest levels of the population to breed like they needed to repopulate the Earth in 30 years. You think they'd have six children in six years if they didn't get paid more more in benefits?

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 01:01 | 3636537 tip e. canoe
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without government help, welfare, : that's cuz there was none offered in those days.   think it'd be a much different history if it was?   maybe it's that it's offered is the issue?

or turning to drugs and crime. : ever read Low Life, the book in which Gangs of New York is based?   if not, you should.    great book, but might diminish your willingness to make that statement in the future.

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 18:49 | 3635578 They trynna cat...
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At the end of the day all that people like me want is to be left alone to live with our own kind.  What the others want is to live among MY kind (or the Japanese).  But I'm the one who's full of shit, right.  Hilarious.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 09:30 | 3636888 They trynna cat...
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You do realize that only a tiny fraction of the military consists of frontline combat units, don't you?  And you also realize that the demographic makeup of those combat units is very different from the rear echelon support units?

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 19:35 | 3635685 malek
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You're as dumb as a bag of bricks.

Try to go some other place, let's take more secular Turkey, and for example try to build Christian church (or a Hindu temple or whatever) in some city in large glory complete which ringing church bells on Sundays and all.
Then tell those natives that they are all "rayciss scum" if they don't approve. Good luck!

We'll continue the discussion when you make it back alive.

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 23:11 | 3636015 rbg81
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Absolutely agree. Pick up any high school or college year book from say...the early 1960s.  Then compare it to one today.   One would have to conclude that the younger generation are a bunch of mutants.  Many of them simply look like distorted, disgusting buffoons be they obese, gangbangers, Goths or whatever.  As late as the early 1980s, most Americans appeared good looking and wholesome.  Unfortunately, through some genetic or cosmic accident, we've degenerated to the point that many of our kids are just butt ugly.   And let's not even get started on the tatoos, piercings, and (retch) gold teeth.  It's enough to scare the fucking shit out of anyone.  

I think history will show the Japanese as being very wise for not drinking the Politicially Correct, Immigration Kool-aid.  Short term economic growth doesn't mean shit if you lose your country.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 16:37 | 3637695 malek
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So have you ever attempted to discern why that is? Might the unreachable perfect beauty projected in pretty much all media all the time nowadays have something to do with it?

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 17:47 | 3635417 Don Diego
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Dumb Japanese.....they should improve their birthrate like the French are doing, that is importing millions of illiterate islamoafricans....what can go wrong?

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 17:55 | 3635439 Eeyores Enigma
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Falling birth rates only matter to those in the lower several levels of squares that make up the pyramid scheme chart.

They will not get their pay out unless they can keep adding more squares of buy ins below them.

The minute that stops the jig is up.

It's all just one big ponzi.

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 18:09 | 3635474 Stuck on Zero
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Declining population?  Yep.  Visit earth in 50 years.  But it won't be planned.  It will be starvation of illiterate masses by the billions as booming populations collide with geology and ecosystem limits.  The Japanese are just looking ahead a bit to avoid this event.



Fri, 06/07/2013 - 18:13 | 3635481 Bastiat
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If they are born with two heads does that count as 1 or 2?

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 18:28 | 3635527 adr
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X-12 Arima statistical adjustments say the Japanese population increased by 12 million last year and the birth rate has hit a century high 5 children per woman.

So bullish that the Nikkei jumped 10% while I wrote the post. 


and yes that just about sums up our BLS and BS economy exactly.

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 18:36 | 3635545 fijisailor
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There are just too many fucking people on the planet.  Isn't reduction of population voluntarily better than by war or disease? 

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 18:46 | 3635562 JuliaS
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If printing money creates real wealth, why not simply print birth certificates to lift the brith rates! Same thing. Just ask Krugman.

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 18:50 | 3635580 Bastiat
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We have the people who can print birth certificates too!  Not very good ones, but hey . . .

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 18:45 | 3635563 Sauerkraut-Opinion
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Our total-fertility-rate in Germany is 1.36 (compared to Japan: 1,41, France: 2,02).

No wonder, life is expensive, salaries for many are low and we have a lot of children in banks and South Europe to feed.

On the other hand Tokyo should do it like Berlin: Import of working slaves declared as "Fachkräfte" (= skilled employees).

There are a lot of advantages:
- imported labour forces facilitate unlimited wage-dumping
- the pool of domestic employees isn't shrinking too much (important for competition respectively further wage-, social- and pension-dumping)
- freedom of establishment/work against open subsidizes markets...
- ...means gains privatized - costs socialized (e.g. top-up bemefits)
- cheaper than own children, minimum wages for family foundation not neccessary
- labour forces without suffrage

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 18:50 | 3635581 bnbdnb
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The US isnt far behind. Population growth Jan 2009 through today

16-54 300k

55+ 10.3m

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 18:59 | 3635598 JuliaS
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In the US we list those who never entered or left the workforce as "employed". Makes me wonder why the Japanese don't count abortions and funerals as live births.

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 19:02 | 3635607 pashley1411
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you first.

Malthus, Paul Ehrlich, and their acrolytes beat the doom drums about population, and yet absolutely no disaster compares to the one cause when they are in charge.    What is too many people?

My impression of the people who complain about too many in this world are mostly stressed, not about competing for jobs or food, but about long lines at the chair lift ski slopes.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 00:57 | 3636535 jeff montanye
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where but at chair lifts would acrolytes gather?

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 19:17 | 3635637 Hobbleknee
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Declining populations are only a problem if you're a government with a ponzi to support.

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 19:21 | 3635646 bugs_
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You know so many of these crises I feel so helpless unable to think of any way that I can make a difference.  Finally one comes along where I know what to do I can actually help!!

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 19:37 | 3635649 Aurora Ex Machina
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Actual rate is 2.1 for a stable society (lots of people die in car crashes between 16-21 and few breed at this point, it's to deal with this mortality spike). All this hate for "Agenda 21" ignores the fact that 2.1 is their goal (idea is in the title, DERP). Depopulation isn't their desire (or if it is, they're really shit at it).

If you want lessons in why 2.1 is a good idea, look to Israel. All the hard working, ethically (semi - nothing in the ME is ever really ethically good) decent people in tech etc are supporting the state and making stuff happen (with their genetic advantage used to good) while the Religious Fundamentalists are taking State support, doing nothing but reading Religious texts all day and spending the nights cracking out 8+ sprogs.

Yeah. That's not a great way to ensure a productive society in the long run. Everyone rags on Israel without realizing they're dealing with the Serpent Within to a massive degree. It'll destroy Israel faster than Syria etc, since the only thing in common between both radical Islam and radical Judaism is that neither can design / repair modern tech. Smart (secular) Israelis have already worked out this out, and no-one knows what to do.


Oh, and Japan? Yeah.

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 19:55 | 3635743 Angus McHugepenis
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Aurora: You're leaping off the top shelf buddy, trying to explain shit in mushroom-induced ways that most (me included) can't fucking understand.

I got enough shit on my plate dealing with everyday life and working a fucking gold claim. I don't give a single flying shit about religioustardation or Israel girls showing their ass cracks in mil/uniform. All I have to do is show them my Scud and they'll run away like the pussies they truly are.

I need to fix my quad to get further into the mountain. Does that ring any bells for you? Or do you care to continue shoveling shit on top of quicksand and ignore immediate, productive needs?

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 20:38 | 3635867 Aurora Ex Machina
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Ok, I apologize:

Agenda 21 (and the Club of Rome) was a logical response to this graph. Ignoring all the Alex Jones bullshit, there was suddenly the tools (primitive computers), the tech (early DARPA networks) and an understanding of science (Green Revolution > Silent Spring, EPA etc. The "Green Revolution" has nothing to do with hippies, it's about fertilizers and brilliant scientists tripling food / crop outputs) for everyone to look at that graph and all think one thing:


HOLY FUCK ON A STICK. WE'RE TOTALLY BONED HERE IF THAT DOUBLES. (Which is what populations do without wars etc).

Agenda 21 (2.1 is the base birth rate for a population to remain stable) was an attempt for everyone to grasp that graph and think: OK, OK, OK - don't panic, if we stabilize this shit, we might be able to prevent it crashing in Epic Levels of gigadeath. (Remember - history of 20th Century until the later 1970s. Lots of Death. Lots of genocide. Lots of War.) Ever since then, there's been a fight between certain factions. The Agenda 21 peeps are actual pro-homo sapiens (2.1 = stability), which is #1 reason you should recognize Alex Jones is a paid up member (or useful idiot) for the darker hues.

The bottom line is that there's a direct correlation between extreme Religious views (any religion, barring perhaps Buddhism) and birth rates, but also inability to process higher-order thinking. (It's called "the God zone" of the brain; it does weird things) so obviously, ouch. The more irrational (mimetically / whatever) breed more. This is a Bad Thing[TM] if you want a stable society doing funky stuff, and not rampaging around killing each other. Oh, and Branding taps into the "God Zone". This was a really cynical and ugly move by certain factions.

Japan is an outlier religiously (in terms of Shinto / Zen - just look up "Shikata ga nai") but has basically broken. 1.4 is a death spiral (35% of all 30+ males are virgins, ffs) brought on by social stultification, over-work and being fucking weird about sexuality (seriously: look into "playing koi carp" as a female in the sex role. It's basically a nose dive into oddness: the more passive the female, the more appealing it is to the male. Getting where this might break down? And why robots / dolls can replace it? Yep - you got it!). Nothing matters in Japan now - they're famously xenophobic, and their society is dying.


Anyone who tells you that working 40-80 hrs / week, 50 weeks of the year is how to live, isn't your friend. It's not logically possible to create a homo sapien life with that Time taken. This is deliberate. You are being Farmed.




Japan is toast. It's already been (self) chosen to be toast. In America, steer the fuck away from ultra-Religious groups / Rapture types (personal faith is fine: large mega-Churches? WarZone soon), grab family and look at your geography. Urban area outside growth / protected zones? Move. Suburbia? Move. Area where water tables are low / fracked / polluted? Move. Area where you're completely dependent on gasoline? Move. Area where mercury / heavy metals are abundant in the water table? Move. (If you need help on where to find this data, I can provide)

Now, I'm not preaching Armageddon here. This all happens in slow time, especially in Ameria - life gets slowly shittier, more expensive, more degrading, more annoying, more polluted and so on. You'll read about far away countries and massacres and still have shitty chocolate. You really don't need money: you need a plan, friends / family and a realistic appraisal of your means. Homo Sapiens were nomads for thousands of years, you don't need the money, you need knowledge. Find that, and you're golden. If you can't repair your quad bike, you can't afford the cut, so quietly go find a nice place to live, out in the wilds. (Cut is roughly ~ $250k single salary @ age 34 to be considered "useful to save" these days).



But yeah: best projections are about 2-3 billion dying if you don't start throwing nukes. Worst projections get to the magic 500 number. I've known this for about 15 years now. None of you muppets listen: and Alex Jones is not your friend.

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 20:48 | 3635933 hardcleareye
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Hmmm enjoyed your post.... have you been over to the Doomstead Diner?

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 23:06 | 3635980 Aurora Ex Machina
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Never heard of it. I'm not into Doom Porn, although I'll take a look.

I might argue your case as 1.0s, this doesn't mean I like or respect you. All of this is someone (*cough*) shoving a large spanner in the works of a stellar plan to buy a bit of time, to give an outside chance (and you have to live the stasis to make it happen).

So far, three years in, "there's no Plan B" = "kill them, kill them all". Double double dare is a bit of a fucking retarded strategy here.

Yeah, news just in: for the slow amongst the readers. You don't get to buy your way into a safe zone. We hunt you down, and only a new DNA survives. Money means nothing here. It's about your Genetics.




Sun, 06/09/2013 - 08:13 | 3638796 trader1
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like the kind of genetics allowing you to get the hell out of dodge.

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 20:55 | 3635953 Disenchanted
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Agenda 21 isn't just about population growth rates. Don't know how you feel about private property rights, but kiss them goodbye when/if A 21 is fully implemented.

Agenda 21 TOC:



    Agenda 21

    Section I. Social and Economic Dimensions

    Section II. Conservation and Management of Resources for Development

    Section III. Strengthening The Role Of Major Groups

    Section IV. Means of Implementation


    Other Rio Agreements


      btw...I had heard of this long before clowns Beck and Jones breathed a word about it...

      Fri, 06/07/2013 - 21:12 | 3635982 Aurora Ex Machina
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      I did say it was a "OH FUCKING HELL" plan. I know living in America is great and all, but try to move a little outside your bubble. Note: it hasn't been implemented.

      Sat, 06/08/2013 - 04:13 | 3636669 Disenchanted
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      re: "I know living in America is great and all, but try to move a little outside your bubble."

      Oh FFS! Seriously? You haven't read many of my posts I see. There's nothing exceptional for a 'regular Joe' existing in America...Now or then.


      re: "Note: it hasn't been implemented."


      No not fully...But I do think 'bits and pieces' methods have been implemented.

      Sat, 06/08/2013 - 05:51 | 3636698 Disenchanted
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      btw Agenda 21 = A lot of flowery language(aka bullshit) pretending that it has the interests of the 'common people' of the world at heart.

      Sat, 06/08/2013 - 12:50 | 3637201 Aurora Ex Machina
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      Nope; it was driven by real scientists (who still give a shit btw).

      Sat, 06/08/2013 - 00:42 | 3636509 tip e. canoe
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      mmm, chewy meal you serve once again, my dear.

      question: any wild guesses as to how much the declining birth rates in the "advanced" nations are due to self-organized collective behavior  vs. due to environmental factors (cough, low sperm count, cough) via centralized control mechanisms (whether intentional or not)?

      also, how 1.4 is a death spiral?  seems most responsible to me in the face of The Graph, that is, unless your government has to pay compound interest on massive amounts of debt (and even then, when it's paid to your very own Mrs. Watanabes, it all can be forgiven if necessary, no?)

      p.s. sharin that heavy metal water table info would be a good public service methinks.

      Sat, 06/08/2013 - 13:14 | 3637237 Aurora Ex Machina
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      self-organized collective behavior -- requirements of lifestyle that two parents work. For anything but the top 15% or so, females working was driven by wage stagnation etc. Definitely deliberate, but this was merely a by product of credit / wage stagnation.

      environmental factors -- pollution here is def. a concern, although I'd be far more worried about damage to IQ / genome etc than low sperm counts. (Consciousness, so easy to blunt)

      centralized control mechanisms -- proper family planning / contraception is a fundamental to having an informed, free, technologically mature society. It divides the 1st world basically on the old Protestant / Catholic split barring the USA on resistance / take up. I'd argue the Nordic countries certainly fared better here.

      A couple you missed out: female emancipation & consumer culture (obsessive narcissistic culture - Century of the Self). Female emancipation is a good thing, until it got co-opted (mutual child rearing in communities? That one got dropped faster than a hot potato didn't it?) while USA's Consumer culture is simply poisonous. However, it's simply a trend that the more economically developed your society, the less children people have (in general); large families are usually tied to economic necessity (high infant mortality), Religious beliefs (covered) or lack of education (limited or no understanding of contraception / science).

      1.4 is a death spiral because of ecology. Look into how populations work - it's not a crash at this point, but the downward trend should greatly worry people. especially if it's organic (vrs, say, China's deliberate policies).


      Water tables: pre-2001 EPA data is very useful. They've been (deliberately) neutered, but there's data still around. Rule of thumb: look for heavy industry (esp. aluminum, coal, oil processing, high tech etc) and avoid it - definitely look into the geology of an area & work out if it's open to fracking, then avoid (since American Law is so odd on mineral rights, and you probably won't be able to match their cash to buy the rights yourself). However, the bottom line might simply be: unless you're living in a semi-pristine country, the shit is in the system. Oh, and for the love of God, stop eating seafood - you can get omega-3's from elsewhere.

      Sun, 06/09/2013 - 08:43 | 3638818 trader1
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      zee germans need to work harder.

      worse off than japan.

      the ones that are producing kids are "foreigners" like me.  cross-breeding seems to be the only hope of preserving those good german genetics, and they seem pretty open to it.  just ask my wife.


      Fri, 06/07/2013 - 21:00 | 3635972 Disenchanted
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      re: Israel and  "genetic advantage"

      Ok I'm going to have to call bullshit on that one.


      Fri, 06/07/2013 - 21:11 | 3635996 Aurora Ex Machina
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      Proven. GREP my statements, you'll want the ones about Race, Congo / Africa / Empires and Genetics. There's links to a Chinese sounding guy (HUI?) with the data tables. You should note how dismissive I am about the entire intelligence <> genetics link (it's about 10-15 genes in reality, and environmental factors such as lead, mercury, nicotine, ethanol and so on are far more damaging than slight benefits).


      This isn't to say it's anything but a slight advantage, nor does it have much to do with the state of modern Israel, but it's science. Deal with it. Oh, and using infant formula to feed your baby damages it (again; proven). Nestle can go fuck themselves, fucking Vampires.

      Sat, 06/08/2013 - 05:52 | 3636667 Disenchanted
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      re: "All the hard working, ethically (semi - nothing in the ME is ever really ethically good) decent people in tech etc are supporting the state[referring to Israel] and making stuff happen (with their genetic advantage used to good)"


      Maybe you were referring to the 'genetic advantage' of having the power of the Rothschild's purse and their role as the sponsor of the modern State of Israel. Not to mention the hijacking of a goodly portion of the fruits of the American taxpayers since modern Israel came into existence. Thanks in no small part to the support of millions of deceived and deluded  American 'Christian Zionists'(past and present) for the latter.

      Wed, 06/19/2013 - 07:04 | 3670667 Hobbleknee
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      You mean 2.1 is required to sustain government pozi schemes.  Society can adapt to any rate.

      Fri, 06/07/2013 - 19:22 | 3635650 Smegley Wanxalot
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      Why would anyone want to bring a child into this fucked up world?

      Fri, 06/07/2013 - 19:26 | 3635660 Aurora Ex Machina
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      On principle, you're going to get at least +10 Greens just for the name & avatar, it's epic.

      Fri, 06/07/2013 - 19:26 | 3635662 yogibear
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      These Keynesian bone heads keep wanting exponential growth. What happens if the population keeps growing  exponentially? 

      In a finite world eventually the exponential game ends. 

      Fri, 06/07/2013 - 19:29 | 3635671 ShrNfr
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      Nah, you just keep adding zeros. Even easier, you go to chained exponent notation 10^1000^1000^1000 for instance. Oh, that is the smallest bill.

      Fri, 06/07/2013 - 19:28 | 3635668 Hohum
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      So?  We need more Japanese (or anyone else) to what?  Destroy other life forms faster?

      Fri, 06/07/2013 - 19:30 | 3635672 ShrNfr
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      Problem is that Japanese women don't want to get laid and Japanese men don't want to screw. That is their problem.

      Fri, 06/07/2013 - 23:00 | 3636290 stacking12321
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      that's hardly true.

      young japanese girls like to get laid all the time - the only issue is, they usually hook up with tentacled sea-creatures, which doesn't result in offspring.

      Fri, 06/07/2013 - 23:44 | 3636398 Aussiekiwi
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      Tentacled sea creatures need love too, probably a senstivity course at a US university on tentacled sea creatures some where.

      I only seem tentacled when I have had too much too drink.

      Sat, 06/08/2013 - 07:46 | 3636763 GMadScientist
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      You better hope it doesn't result in offspring.

      Fri, 06/07/2013 - 20:00 | 3635763 buzzsaw99
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      Young Japanese know better than anyone that there is no future, none at all.

      Fri, 06/07/2013 - 20:16 | 3635825 Seeking Aphids
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      Have you seen the robots the Japanese are developing? They won't need 'gastarbeiters' once they get those suckers fired up....24 hours per day production lines! No strikes! No lunch breaks! No pension plans! Who the fuck needs people anyway? We (the people) are an incredible waste of energy for the ruling classes....peasants no longer need apply......they will engineer a new virus that will only kill poor people (those earning less than $300K/annum). But they can't do that you say? It's not ethical! Look around you you see any ethical politicians/ceo's/nobility/rich bastards in general? If you survive the virus get ready to fight a war against robots and drones..........and.....have a nice day!


      Sat, 06/08/2013 - 07:47 | 3636765 GMadScientist
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      Morning, Rip van Winkle; let's see if I can get you up to speed on what you've missed over the last 20 years...

      Sat, 06/08/2013 - 00:35 | 3636494 Peter K
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      Sounds like they still need an immigration bill :) Those gastarbeiting robots don't pay taxes.

      Sat, 06/08/2013 - 04:54 | 3636682 Dr. Bonzo
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      Blame it on the bukkake. Who needs insemination when a facial will do just fine.

      Aaaah Japan... time to book me another flight.

      Sat, 06/08/2013 - 05:33 | 3636693 bunnyswanson
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      ffs, what the hell are you people talking about!  You seem to believe this is ~REGIONAL~.  You stupid fucks deserve to be bathed in a nuclear power plant disaster's run off.  The lack of comprehension of the seriousness of the situation makes you all worthy of a demise which is accompanied by regret and resentment.  You mutherfuckers seem to think this will not impact you.  Taking your iodine capsules?  Living in a nuclear free zone where those who hare so fucking special they deserve to live regardless of the destructive path they've been on, perhaps?  You fucks are a thorn in the side of the continuation of the species.  For profit, your bills demand you act fast lest you default on a house you have no right living in.  Fuck you all who minimize the severity of this catastrophe.  And to all a good night.

      Sat, 06/08/2013 - 07:44 | 3636761 GMadScientist
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      The fact this got linked to a Bukkake post is both surreal and hilarious.

      Relax, Bunny; it's only sperm!

      Sat, 06/08/2013 - 07:43 | 3636758 GMadScientist
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      Too much Bukkake and not enough fucking!

      Sat, 06/08/2013 - 17:41 | 3637830 NipponMarketBlog
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      Shame the Japanese are ever so slightly unenthusiastic about immigrant labour....


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